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Credlin | 8 October · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to your Welcome to my program. Great
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Speaker 2: to have your company. Here's what's coming up tonight on
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Speaker 2: kredline and incorrect email address now being blamed for exacerbating
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Speaker 2: that fatal optus outage. Now the telcoasts got a lot
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Speaker 2: to answer here, but questions remain about Labour's response given
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Speaker 2: a further revelation that the Minister's private office was also
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Speaker 2: in the loop. As this issue dominated Parliament again today,
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Speaker 2: I'll get the latest on the court battle to stop
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Speaker 2: the protest, the pro Palestinian pro Hummus protest at the
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Speaker 2: Opera House, which is now being used by activists as
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Speaker 2: a trojan horse to get the courts in Australia to
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Speaker 2: declare a genocide in Gaza. Last another day of the
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Speaker 2: government bureaucrats ducking and weaving when it comes.
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Speaker 3: To the isis brides.
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Speaker 2: However, eventually they were forced to make a massive concession
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Speaker 2: on citizenship. So much for the Prime Minister saying his
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Speaker 2: government was not involved and the Sex Discrimination Commissioner so
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Speaker 2: the most senior bureaucrat we have ostensibly there to protect
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Speaker 2: the rights of women and girls can't seem to answer
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Speaker 2: even basic questions about biology in sent and estimates. Here's
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Speaker 2: a bit of an extraordinary exchange.
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Speaker 4: Did you mean that biological males can be women.
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Speaker 3: Men?
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Speaker 5: So I think that we have different language that perhaps
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Speaker 5: you're using than I would use. So I don't understand
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Speaker 5: the term biological men.
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Speaker 3: Good Lord.
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Speaker 2: We will be coming back to that first. The energy
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Speaker 2: disaster becomes more obvious today, with reports of cover ups,
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Speaker 2: more claims from business that heavy industry will be driven offshore,
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Speaker 2: and yet more subsidies to hide the extent of the disaster.
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Speaker 2: The New South Wales Government's Commission multiple reports about the
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Speaker 2: impact of coal fired POWERstation closures on prices and the
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Speaker 2: impact of the power market on heavy industry closures, but
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Speaker 2: it's refusing now to release them publicly. Meaning the only
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Speaker 2: conclusion to be drawn from this failure of transparency is
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Speaker 2: that the reports contradict or undermine Labour's claims that renewables
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Speaker 2: will make our powers cheaper, even though from all of
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Speaker 2: your experience and experience globally, well that shows just how
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Speaker 2: hollow those words are. Also today, the head of blue
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Speaker 2: Scope Steel worn that high electricity prices and gas shortages
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Speaker 2: have put his industry at quote a dangerous crossroad. He
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Speaker 2: said that Australia faced catastrophic decline in its steel production,
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Speaker 2: akin to that of Britain, where steel production there's dropped
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Speaker 2: ninety percent since the nineteen seventies and Britain's gone from
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Speaker 2: having the world's fifth largest steel industry to number twenty
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Speaker 2: six in global terms. According to blue Scope, this is
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Speaker 2: almost entirely the result of the Albanies governments doubling down
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Speaker 2: in climate measures, making it almost impossible to develop new
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Speaker 2: gas fields. If it were to convert one of its
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Speaker 2: blast furnaces at Port Kembler, blue Scope says it would
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Speaker 2: need eight percent of the East Coast's current gas type.
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Speaker 2: Yet there's no prospect of any increase in supply anytime soon,
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Speaker 2: and so it's little wonder. In a survey of over
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Speaker 2: five hundred businesses last week, they all said that the
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Speaker 2: cost of energy was their number one concern, three times
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Speaker 2: more worrying to businesses in this country than anything to
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Speaker 2: do with US tariff threats. Meanwhile, the Glencore copper smelter
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Speaker 2: in Mount iSER and its six hundred jobs have been
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Speaker 2: saved for now, but only through a six hundred million
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Speaker 2: dollars state in federal bailout, or more truthfully, six hundred
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Speaker 2: million of your money as taxpayers.
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Speaker 6: The total value of the package, which is fifty cost
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Speaker 6: share between the Queensland Government and the Commonwealth Government, is
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Speaker 6: six hundred million dollars.
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Speaker 2: Now you can be confident that in four years time
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Speaker 2: that smelter will need another bail out, in a bigger one.
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Speaker 3: Likely so will others.
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Speaker 2: And that's assuming that further price rises don't cripple the
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Speaker 2: plant anytime soon. Well, Anthony Albanezi will deny it every
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Speaker 2: time he opens his mouth. He's peddling the lie that
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Speaker 2: renewables will drive prices down, not up, and that the
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Speaker 2: world is on an unstoppable and rapid green transition, even
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Speaker 2: though it was one former British PM Tony Blair who
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Speaker 2: said recently that net zero was doomed to fail, and
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Speaker 2: another PM Boris Johnson, who's just admitted that he moved
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Speaker 2: too far too soon. Now tellingly, I think that even
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Speaker 2: Albaneze is starting to worry that price is abiding politically,
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Speaker 2: because today in question time, almost everything every Dorothy Dixon
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Speaker 2: from Labour's backbench to its front bench was a question
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Speaker 2: that tried to justify the government's push to net zero. Now,
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Speaker 2: look what is it about the Prime Minister and his
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Speaker 2: pathological inability to tell the truth. He's been added again
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Speaker 2: over this whole saga of the return to Australia of
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Speaker 2: the so called ISIS brides with their children, even though
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Speaker 2: they'd left to live amongst an Islamist insurgency directed at
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Speaker 2: countries like Australia. When this matter was first reported, the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister repeatedly claimed that there was nothing to see here,
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Speaker 2: telling Parliament that reports that Isis brides were being assisted
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Speaker 2: to return were quote not accurate.
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Speaker 7: What actions has your government taken to guarantee the safety
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Speaker 7: of Australians if these people return?
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Speaker 3: Those reports are not accurate?
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Speaker 2: Now in Senate estimates yesterday and I showed you this
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Speaker 2: last night, there was a whole lot of obfuscation coming
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Speaker 2: both from officials at the table but also the Foreign
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Speaker 2: Minister Penny Wong.
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Speaker 8: How many of the ISIS brides are now in Australia.
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Speaker 7: We would not provide commentary on individual cases.
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Speaker 8: Senator Wong, Is the Prime Minister aware of how many
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Speaker 8: Isis brides are now in Australia.
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Speaker 9: I will take that on notice.
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Speaker 2: Now, let's never forget that these women so called brides
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Speaker 2: I hate that term, because they knew absolutely what they
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Speaker 2: were doing.
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Speaker 3: They were not naive.
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Speaker 2: They left Australia and they went to live under an
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Speaker 2: apocalyptic Islamist caliphate that routinely murdered not only non Muslims
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Speaker 2: but other Muslims too who rejected Islamic states push to
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Speaker 2: take over the Middle East, Third, but then of course
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Speaker 2: the wider Western world. Today, this issue, though, was back
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Speaker 2: front and center.
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Speaker 10: The government has said that they have not provided assistance
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Speaker 10: to returning osis France.
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Speaker 9: How does the government define assistance repatriation assistance?
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Speaker 10: Does the Prime Minister consider providing citizenship by dissent to
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Speaker 10: be assistance that.
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Speaker 9: The government.
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Speaker 11: For the government has been clear that we are not
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Speaker 11: providing assistance to repatriate and there is no plan to
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Speaker 11: repatriate these individuals.
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Speaker 10: So it is not assisting someone to return to Australia
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Speaker 10: to provide them with the documents they need to enter Australia.
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Speaker 3: Yes, you can see it for what it is. I mean,
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Speaker 3: that is a joke.
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Speaker 2: The government's tried to claim all the way along that
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Speaker 2: they have no role or responsibility here because they did
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Speaker 2: not or would not assist to repatriate these women or
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Speaker 2: their foreign born children, and they're hanging their hat on
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Speaker 2: the fanciful definition of repatriate, meaning that because they didn't
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Speaker 2: organize their flights, they had no hand in their return.
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Speaker 2: Here's the minister in the House today, Tony Burke, first
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Speaker 2: of all.
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Speaker 12: As a Prime minister. As the Prime Minister's made clear,
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Speaker 12: there has been no repatriation.
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Speaker 3: Now that's a lie.
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Speaker 2: Just watch this comical exchange as the head of the
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Speaker 2: Home Affairs Department came under fire today on this very.
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Speaker 10: Poor Have any applications for citizenship by dissent been processed
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Speaker 10: for people in Syria?
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Speaker 9: It's a matter of fact.
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Speaker 7: So Senator, the department has received applications and processed them
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Speaker 7: consistent with our legislative requirements.
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Speaker 13: Great, thank you, How many, Senator, In relation to.
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Speaker 7: The cohort that we're discussing, we processed to applications.
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Speaker 2: Now that's the head of the Home Affairs Department. And
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Speaker 2: all of these pauses are happening in all of that
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Speaker 2: testimony in Senate estimates because they don't want you to
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Speaker 2: know what's really going on. I'm not putting it on
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Speaker 2: the officials here. This is the government who doesn't want
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Speaker 2: you to know what's really going on now. Having been
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Speaker 2: out of the country for a decade or more, any
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Speaker 2: passport that these women might have had that they traveled
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Speaker 2: to Islamic State with would have long expired. And as
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Speaker 2: for their foreign born children, the so called cubs of
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Speaker 2: the caliphators they were known, they would never have had
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Speaker 2: an Australian passport, nor indeed would they have had citizenship,
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Speaker 2: because the law in Australia does not automatically confer citizenship
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Speaker 2: if a child is born overseas, even if it's born
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Speaker 2: to an Australian, meaning that the federal government would have
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Speaker 2: to have stepped in.
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Speaker 3: So why the secrecy?
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Speaker 2: Why is everyone going out of their way to dodge
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Speaker 2: straight answers to simple questions like this? So we're their
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Speaker 2: security checks done, minister? And who did them? How extensive
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Speaker 2: were the checks? Are we sure these children are the
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Speaker 2: offspring of these Australian women? Are we sure that they
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Speaker 2: themselves have not been terrorist fighters? Given that some may
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Speaker 2: well be a fighting age now, particularly the boys today
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Speaker 2: in question time, the Minister in this area, Tony Burke,
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Speaker 2: almost slipped up on this very point. Now he knows
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Speaker 2: that anyone joining a listed terror organization under Australian law
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Speaker 2: is open to investigation and likely criminal charges upon returning
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Speaker 2: to Australia.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen.
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Speaker 12: What we have is a situation where we have a
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Speaker 12: number of Australian citizens who made a terrible decision, an
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Speaker 12: absolutely dreadful decision, to go off and join and join
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Speaker 12: others who were involved in what has been described as
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Speaker 12: some of the most order one of the most terrific
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Speaker 12: organizations that the world has seen.
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Speaker 2: George that, George that he said they joined, Then he paused,
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Speaker 2: not Islamic. Stadi said, I believe that's where he was headed.
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Speaker 2: But he said, but they joined others overseas it court himself. Now,
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Speaker 2: how do we even know the truth of who they
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Speaker 2: really are, what they really did, and whether they are
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Speaker 2: actually safe to return and live amongst us. Remember this
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Speaker 2: is what a former senior federal police superintendent said on
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Speaker 2: my show this week about the return of these women.
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Speaker 1: The chances of us making a robust security assessment on
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Speaker 1: any of these people while in Syria, I would say,
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Speaker 1: is mil We've probably made the best assessment we ken
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Speaker 1: while we are in detention at Lebanon. How that's a
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Speaker 1: very very different circumstance to coming back and living in
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Speaker 1: a free society like Australia.
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Speaker 3: Trust beyond this.
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Speaker 2: Believe the police, not the politicians in Britain, not even
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Speaker 2: Labour's Kiir Starma will allow their Isis brides to return.
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Speaker 2: And yet hear Our Labor government won't even tell us
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Speaker 2: if these women are under surveillance or if there's any
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Speaker 2: consideration of a control order to monitor.
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Speaker 3: Any of them or their children.
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Speaker 2: If the government thinks these people don't pose a risk,
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Speaker 2: then tell us that if they think they do, then
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Speaker 2: they must tell us what they have done to mitigate it.
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Speaker 2: Yet again, this is a government that will keep Australians
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Speaker 2: in the dark and that does not take national security seriously.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's go to Camber now, all cross their
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Speaker 2: lives and speak to our political reporter, Cam Reddin.
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Speaker 3: Cam. I'm going to come back to.
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Speaker 2: That Islamic state issue a bit later on with Michaylia
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Speaker 2: Cash the Opposition as Shadow Attorney General. But I want
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Speaker 2: to go to those revelations that came out of both
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Speaker 2: Senate estimates and a lot of heat out of Question
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Speaker 2: Time too about that fatal Optis outage. What can you
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Speaker 2: tell us has happened today. In terms of the politics.
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Speaker 14: Here, another nine hours of Senate Estimates hearings today peter
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Speaker 14: a lot of it focusing on exactly who knew what
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Speaker 14: and when when it came to the alerting of this
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Speaker 14: Optis outage. We know, of course that Optus had given
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Speaker 14: the wrong information initially on the day that it happened,
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Speaker 14: that even told the regulator Akhma that it was all sorted,
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Speaker 14: only revealing twenty four hours later that it in fact
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Speaker 14: hadn't been. One of the big headline moments of the
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Speaker 14: day was a revelation that Optis had sent some of
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Speaker 14: these notifications about the outage to the wrong email address,
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Speaker 14: essentially a defunct email address within the communications department. So
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Speaker 14: that's been the key focus on all of this today,
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Speaker 14: as well as exactly what involvement the Minis office had
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Speaker 14: between the notification on the Thursday night, the day it happened,
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Speaker 14: and the Friday. That questioning is still ongoing in Estimates
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Speaker 14: at the moment, Akma. The authority has given evidence just
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Speaker 14: before we've come on edge to you tonight saying there
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Speaker 14: has got to be a better way to deal with
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Speaker 14: these outages than with emails flying between different departments. That's
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Speaker 14: the evidence they've given, so we'll see if they come
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Speaker 14: up with a better way. In Question time, though this
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Speaker 14: focus was dominated again on the OPTAs saga.
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Speaker 15: The Coalition believes.
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Speaker 14: That Anika Wells and the Authority AKMA were both flat
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Speaker 14: footed on the day that this happened. They wanted to
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Speaker 14: see them following up instantly to ensure that the information
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Speaker 14: they were getting from OPTAs was right ultimately approved to
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Speaker 14: be wrong. The government is trying to put this solely
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Speaker 14: at the feet of OPTAs. Here's a little bit of
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Speaker 14: the back and forth from today, which it's worth noting
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Speaker 14: the Coalition using every one of its questions in question
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Speaker 14: Time today to go after Anika Wells, the Communications Minister.
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Speaker 16: Why didn't your office raise it with your department immediately?
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Speaker 4: Was it because you were planning.
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Speaker 3: Your well publicized trip.
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Speaker 17: To a public in New York overnight? I made arrangements
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Speaker 17: to delay my trip to gather information and inform premiers
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Speaker 17: and the Australian public, which I did at a press
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Speaker 17: conference on Saturday.
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Speaker 16: Will the minister finally now apologize the victims and the families.
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Speaker 17: I inquired as to correct the process about dealing with
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Speaker 17: families in this situation. I was advised that Emergency Services
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Speaker 17: is the correct and proper agency that we use to
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Speaker 17: reach out. Of course, I would absolutely meet with affected
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Speaker 17: families if that's what they wished.
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Speaker 2: As I said, it's the most regulated industry and it's
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Speaker 2: all within the Commonwealth Government's purview. This is telecommunications. And
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Speaker 2: this idea that you just lob in an email when
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Speaker 2: something is serious, as an outage on Triple zero happens,
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Speaker 2: I don't buy it. And it wasn't a defunct email.
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Speaker 2: They're saying, it wasn't one that was monitored. Now, if
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Speaker 2: you don't want anyone to use it in industry, that
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Speaker 2: apartment needs to disable that email address that there's a
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Speaker 2: bounce back, you know, so that the telco knows that
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Speaker 2: that's not being received. You've got to send it somewhere else.
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Speaker 2: Let's go old fashion. How about we have a hotline
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Speaker 2: like we do for the National Crisis Center, a national
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Speaker 2: emergency number that you ring when there's this sort of outage,
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Speaker 2: because I don't think you can, you know, you can
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Speaker 2: palm it all off just by sending it an email.
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Speaker 2: I think the Minister is exposed here, but I also
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Speaker 2: think the Department's exposed, and I tell you what, the
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Speaker 2: regulator AKMA has got a lot of questions to answer.
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Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to go away.
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Speaker 14: No, you're right about that. The funked email too. The
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Speaker 14: email still existed and it still works. It was just
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Speaker 14: twenty four hours later until somebody from the department looked
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Speaker 14: and thought, oh, maybe we should see if it's gone
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Speaker 14: through there, and that's where they found that email.
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Speaker 9: So you're right.
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Speaker 14: I mean, we've all set up a Ford email where
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Speaker 14: we go on leave or something in an automatic reply.
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Speaker 14: You think they could do that for that one as well,
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Speaker 14: But clearly, as we found out in estimate today, Peter,
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Speaker 14: that didn't happen.
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Speaker 2: Well, the term communications department is definitely a miss.
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Speaker 3: I'll leave it there. Let's go to the other stories today.
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Speaker 2: Joining me in our senior reporter Caroline Marcus and the
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Speaker 2: host of The Power Hour, Gabrielle Power.
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Speaker 3: Well, welcome to you both. Carol.
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Speaker 2: I know you've been right across this issue about the
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Speaker 2: new South Wales Police and the legal action in the
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Speaker 2: Supreme Court in Sydney about this protest scheduled for the weekend.
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Speaker 2: But it's not just the protest and the imagery of
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Speaker 2: our national icons being sought to be used. Also the activists,
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Speaker 2: the Propalestinian activists, they want to try and get the
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Speaker 2: courts to rule on what they would regard as an
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Speaker 2: Israeli genocide. Now, I think it's absolutely absurd that they
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Speaker 2: think an Australian court from Afar could make this sort
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Speaker 2: of ruling.
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Speaker 3: What's the latest.
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Speaker 18: Well, these activists said yesterday while I was at court
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Speaker 18: for this case, that they wanted the judge to make
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Speaker 18: a ruling about what is happening fourteen thousand kilometers away,
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Speaker 18: that there's a genocide. They said, because it would show
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Speaker 18: the urgence of why this protest is so important. But
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Speaker 18: really we know that it is about getting a symbolic
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Speaker 18: victory in the court that they can then bring out
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Speaker 18: at every single protest that Australian court has found such
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Speaker 18: and such. Now, I don't think it's within a New
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Speaker 18: South Wales's Court's authority to rule about such a matter.
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Speaker 18: So I don't think that they're going to get what
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Speaker 18: they're hoping for here. But regardless, even if they did,
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Speaker 18: what difference would it make to a conflict.
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Speaker 15: Over in the Middle East?
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Speaker 18: In terms of the latest about this case, the court
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Speaker 18: will hand down its decision the Court of Appeal tomorrow
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Speaker 18: morning at nine thirty am about whether this planned rally
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Speaker 18: at the Opera House on Sunday will be allowed to
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Speaker 18: go ahead.
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Speaker 15: Today the court heard evidence from the.
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Speaker 18: New South Wales Police Assistant Commissioner who said it's not
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Speaker 18: just a matter of a police being concerned about potential
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Speaker 18: crowd crush, because organizers are saying they expect forty thousand
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Speaker 18: people there, which is already five or six times the
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Speaker 18: capacity of the Opera House fore court. But police are
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Speaker 18: concerned that there are going to be people bringing in
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Speaker 18: weapons flares like we saw at the last Opera House
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Speaker 18: protests two years ago, as well as prohibited symbols and
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Speaker 18: by that I assume they mean Nazi symbols on signs
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Speaker 18: or terrorist symbols that we've seen at previous protests.
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Speaker 15: One of the judges on this three.
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Speaker 18: Judge bench even pointed out that there had been a
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Speaker 18: case of crowd crush in the Hillsborough the British football
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Speaker 18: match disaster.
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Speaker 15: Back in nineteen eighty nine. He compared it to.
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Speaker 18: That He cited that case specifically, in which ninety six
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Speaker 18: people died and more than one hundred people were injured.
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Speaker 18: So it seems perhaps the judge may be leaning at
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Speaker 18: least one of the judges may be leaning to giving
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Speaker 18: a prohibited prohibitation order.
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Speaker 15: On this, but we'll find out tomorrow morning.
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Speaker 2: Peter, and look, Gave, I always look at the crowds
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Speaker 2: of the various protest groups. You know, Caroline has gone
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Speaker 2: through what they're likely to turn up with, and there's
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Speaker 2: this genuine threat of weapons being with the group. We've
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Speaker 2: seen how they behave and we have seen deeply anti
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Speaker 2: Semitic material on their posters. But you know, contrasts that
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Speaker 2: with Jewish Australians and non Jewish Australians who are standing
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Speaker 2: with them after the atrocity atrocities obviously that we commemorated yesterday.
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Speaker 2: They stand in silence, they're usually prayer full events, they're
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Speaker 2: holding a candle and the memory of those murdered and
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Speaker 2: those held hostage. That says everything about these two groupings
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Speaker 2: around this issue. And you know, the Israeli government had
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Speaker 2: a real whack again at the Prime Minister, Sharon Haskell
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Speaker 2: said yesterday to Anthony Albanesi, gets your country in order
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Speaker 2: and stong the jew hate. I commend Chris Mins for
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Speaker 2: his strong and principal position. But this is on the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister's heads, so much of this animosity.
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Speaker 19: Absolutely, Peter, and I think many Australians, and not just Australians,
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Speaker 19: but people around the world, would agree with Minister Sharon
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Speaker 19: Haskell that Anthony Albanesi needs to get Australia in order.
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Speaker 19: I speak to plenty of people in the United States
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Speaker 19: on my program every week, and they are horrified that
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Speaker 19: anti Semitism has been able to affest so much right
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Speaker 19: here in Australia. Other countries have been able to get
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Speaker 19: it under control, but in Australia it's been getting worse
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Speaker 19: and worse, and it is significantly worse than it was
22:50
Speaker 19: back from October seven, twenty twenty three. Now you make
22:55
Speaker 19: the point when you compare the groups of Jewish Australians
22:59
Speaker 19: and how when they get together it's always so peaceful,
23:02
Speaker 19: but for many of these pro Palestinian activists it's chaos
23:06
Speaker 19: and it's dangerous. Just yesterday there was a person with
23:09
Speaker 19: a gun out the front of a synagogue in Cremorn,
23:12
Speaker 19: in a part of Sydney. Yesterday we saw in Fitzroy
23:16
Speaker 19: signed saying glory to Hermas. And of course these Propalestinian
23:20
Speaker 19: activists are going to push as hard as they can
23:22
Speaker 19: to continue protesting, such as again at the Opera House,
23:25
Speaker 19: or they're trying to this weekend. When you look at
23:28
Speaker 19: our leadership, you've got Anthony Alberizi that's recognizing a Palestinian
23:31
Speaker 19: state at the UN.
23:34
Speaker 3: He's been sitting on.
23:35
Speaker 19: This report on how to crack down on anti Semitism
23:38
Speaker 19: or a combat anti Semitism. He was handed that report
23:42
Speaker 19: back in July. It's October. I mean, when is it
23:46
Speaker 19: going to be implemented? Why did he bother doing the
23:48
Speaker 19: report just to sit on it. I think so many
23:50
Speaker 19: Australians are really ashamed as to how antisemitism has been
23:54
Speaker 19: able to fester to this level for such a long time.
23:57
Speaker 2: Peter, Let's watch that documentary to Night on Sky at
24:01
Speaker 2: seven thirty, not just about the anti semitism here but
24:05
Speaker 2: around the world. But to Gab's point, the rest of
24:07
Speaker 2: the world seems to be getting it under some control.
24:10
Speaker 3: Not so Australian.
24:11
Speaker 7: Now.
24:12
Speaker 3: Now listen to this.
24:15
Speaker 2: Last night, the Sex Discrimination Commissioner, her name is Anna Cody.
24:19
Speaker 3: She fronted up to Senate estimates and she.
24:21
Speaker 2: Faced one heck of a grilling from Senator Claire Chandler.
24:25
Speaker 2: I'll play you some of that shortly, but it's worth
24:27
Speaker 2: putting this into context because just a few weeks ago,
24:30
Speaker 2: this is what the Commissioner had to say when asked
24:33
Speaker 2: about the protection of women's rights under the Convention of
24:35
Speaker 2: Elimination on All Forms of Discrimination against Women. This is
24:39
Speaker 2: a UN charter document from nineteen seventy nine, but it's
24:43
Speaker 2: the principal document under which gender based discrimination is dealt with.
24:48
Speaker 3: HEMI listen, So.
24:50
Speaker 5: That includes and it has specifically said it includes cultural
24:54
Speaker 5: rationally marginalized women, It includes lesbians, It includes First Nations women,
25:01
Speaker 5: women with disability, and trans women. So it absolutely includes
25:06
Speaker 5: all women because that is who women are. We're not
25:10
Speaker 5: one version of women, and so that's why it has
25:13
Speaker 5: to be an inclusive definition.
25:18
Speaker 2: Well, like I said last night, I send a Chandler
25:20
Speaker 2: took it a task about those comments, but she also
25:23
Speaker 2: asked her about the trans women. So the biological male,
25:27
Speaker 2: the pedophile father who's currently serving time in a Victorian present,
25:32
Speaker 2: have a listen, did.
25:34
Speaker 4: You mean that biological males can be women.
25:38
Speaker 3: Men?
25:40
Speaker 5: So I think that we have different language that perhaps
25:43
Speaker 5: you're using than I would use. So I don't understand
25:46
Speaker 5: the term biological men.
25:49
Speaker 4: You're saying that the Sex Discrimination Act does protect the
25:52
Speaker 4: rights of biological females based on their sex, So.
25:57
Speaker 5: Again I'll change the language. It protects women from discrimination
26:02
Speaker 5: for the.
26:02
Speaker 4: Purposes of the Sex Discrimination Act. Do you consider that
26:05
Speaker 4: this man who is a child sex offender is a woman?
26:11
Speaker 5: The Sex Discrimination Act includes trans women within it, So
26:17
Speaker 5: the person who I believe you're referring to is a
26:20
Speaker 5: trans woman.
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Speaker 13: Right?
26:23
Speaker 4: That was very revealing.
26:27
Speaker 2: Honestly, Caroline, we as women, biological women have had enough
26:33
Speaker 2: of this.
26:36
Speaker 18: They need to get rid of this Orwellian language, this
26:39
Speaker 18: gas lighting, Peter, because someone who doesn't know or will
26:44
Speaker 18: not acknowledge what a biological man is does not deserve
26:50
Speaker 18: to be in a position where they are meant to
26:52
Speaker 18: be protecting women's rights. There should be no men in
26:57
Speaker 18: women's prisons or in any women's spaces. To have a
27:01
Speaker 18: man who has been convicted of raping their own five
27:06
Speaker 18: year old daughter potentially sharing a cell with women who've
27:11
Speaker 18: been raped and sexually abused is an excusable and Anna
27:15
Speaker 18: Cody can pretend that she doesn't understand the language that
27:19
Speaker 18: she speaks a different language from brave people like Claire
27:24
Speaker 18: Chandler who've spoken up for this, but.
27:26
Speaker 15: It's not enough.
27:27
Speaker 18: And I mean I've spoken about this issue with our
27:30
Speaker 18: Sex Discrimination Act in my many news reports and my
27:33
Speaker 18: documentary on this issue, pointing out that they it no
27:37
Speaker 18: longer serves women biological females because it doesn't recognize women
27:44
Speaker 18: in the act. It only recognizes people who have a
27:48
Speaker 18: gender identity, not by their sex biology. So we need
27:53
Speaker 18: to relook at this act. But someone like the Sex
27:56
Speaker 18: Discrimination Commissioner cannot keep her position if she cannot even
28:02
Speaker 18: acknowledge basic biology.
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what you know, the whole apparatus of
28:10
Speaker 2: the left on gender issues. They go after you know,
28:13
Speaker 2: straight men. They basically the antichrist. I mean, every terrible
28:18
Speaker 2: sex crime has been done to women by these particular men.
28:21
Speaker 3: They're very very hard on men.
28:23
Speaker 2: But when it comes to biological men who declare that
28:28
Speaker 2: they are women, they're completely the other way. Gab, you know,
28:32
Speaker 2: all of our rights as women are up for grabs.
28:35
Speaker 2: Janetorbrooks and write this terrific piece in the Australian Today,
28:38
Speaker 2: and I'd say to my viewers, please have a read.
28:40
Speaker 2: She says, you can't fix this body anymore. The Australian
28:42
Speaker 2: Human Rights Commission is just so far off the deep
28:46
Speaker 2: end we've just got to abolish the whole thing.
28:50
Speaker 3: And she's spot on.
28:51
Speaker 19: But to your point, Peter, isn't it outrageous that the
28:54
Speaker 19: whole left wing agenda has been to kind of villainize
28:59
Speaker 19: men and then all of a sudden that the biological
29:02
Speaker 19: men are protected if they want to identify.
29:05
Speaker 20: As a woman.
29:06
Speaker 19: But it is absolutely ridiculous as a biological woman that
29:09
Speaker 19: we've got the Sex Discrimination Commissioner who says she doesn't
29:13
Speaker 19: know what a biological male is, so therefore she probably
29:16
Speaker 19: doesn't know what a biological female is. It's absolutely ridiculous.
29:19
Speaker 19: It's her job to protect and defend Australian women from discrimination.
29:24
Speaker 19: She's doing the opposite because right now women are being
29:27
Speaker 19: discriminated against with their sex based rights essentially no longer exists.
29:33
Speaker 19: And it really makes me sick to my stomach that
29:35
Speaker 19: this is what we are dealing with when clearly the
29:38
Speaker 19: priorities are to protect trans men trans women, but not
29:42
Speaker 19: biological men as and biological men, but also biological women.
29:47
Speaker 19: And we've got that horrific case in Victoria where that
29:50
Speaker 19: trans man is in a female prison after raping his
29:55
Speaker 19: five year old. And we've got so many examples. We've
29:58
Speaker 19: got the tickle verse giggle ca where a biological man
30:01
Speaker 19: man is now able to jump on to a female
30:04
Speaker 19: only platform. Sex base rates are so important for single
30:07
Speaker 19: sex spaces for us to go in in sport. The
30:10
Speaker 19: list goes on, and I think it's as Caroline said,
30:14
Speaker 19: it's outrageous and I don't think she should stay. I
30:16
Speaker 19: don't think she should hold her position.
30:19
Speaker 2: Nope, Nope, And she'd be paid over three hundred thousand dollars.
30:23
Speaker 2: And if that's her view and an ability to answer
30:25
Speaker 2: a question like that, she wouldn't even get past year
30:27
Speaker 2: seven biology in most schools around the country. I think
30:30
Speaker 2: it's a croc. I'll over there, ladies. We can say
30:33
Speaker 2: ladies because we're biological women. Or right after the break
30:36
Speaker 2: more fallout from the liberal party room leaks. They came
30:39
Speaker 2: out Tuesday, kicked along and kicked along again. Today we'll
30:43
Speaker 2: speak to someone who was actually in the room. Las
30:46
Speaker 2: Labor act like Savior is bailing out a refinery today.
30:49
Speaker 2: But there's not any self awareness here that it's their
30:53
Speaker 2: policies that are driving these businesses to the wall. A
31:01
Speaker 2: bit later on, as I said, we'll come back to
31:03
Speaker 2: the Islamic State women issue. I've got Senator Cash my bad.
31:08
Speaker 2: She's not the Foreign she's not the shadow ag that's
31:11
Speaker 2: now Julian Lisa. She was, but she's now the shadow
31:14
Speaker 2: Foreign Minister. But we'll come back to that one. Let's
31:16
Speaker 2: go though, first, to that bristly exchange. A bit of
31:20
Speaker 2: a rebuke actually from Victoria Liberal MP Mary Aldred, who
31:23
Speaker 2: reportedly took aim and Andrew Hasty in a party room
31:26
Speaker 2: meeting yesterday, arguing that his recent actions were destabilizing the opposition. Now,
31:33
Speaker 2: Mary's a good friend of mine, she's a friend of
31:34
Speaker 2: the program. But I'm not so sure her aim was
31:38
Speaker 2: directed in the right direction here. I think some other
31:41
Speaker 2: colleagues are the ones that are causing the problems.
31:43
Speaker 3: Jenny.
31:43
Speaker 2: Now to discuss this, Skynese contributor Jamie Rodgers and the
31:46
Speaker 2: Liberal member for the seat of Barker Tony Passon, Well Tony.
31:50
Speaker 2: Everyone's entitled to their opinions, now, I Saya, I've got
31:53
Speaker 2: a lot of time for Mary Aldred, But this was
31:56
Speaker 2: precipitated by Susan Lee right into Andrew Hasty five months
32:03
Speaker 2: after he has been dealing with immigration in that portfolio
32:08
Speaker 2: of Home Affairs, distrip it away from him rightly, he says,
32:13
Speaker 2: I can't serve with integrity if I haven't got the
32:15
Speaker 2: whole portfolio.
32:16
Speaker 3: I really care about that issue.
32:18
Speaker 2: He did the honorable thing and resigned, and then somehow
32:22
Speaker 2: he turns up to the meeting on the Tuesday and
32:24
Speaker 2: he's the one who's caused this frakka. And you and
32:28
Speaker 2: I both know when there's leaks about conservatives, and I
32:33
Speaker 2: don't come from conservatives. It's the moderates who were making
32:37
Speaker 2: the trouble for their leader, not the conservatives.
32:40
Speaker 3: Do you tell me if I'm wrong?
32:43
Speaker 21: Now you're on the money, Peter, and it's great to
32:46
Speaker 21: be with you. I mean, Mary's contribution to the part
32:49
Speaker 21: of thus far has been fantastic, but I've got to
32:51
Speaker 21: say her contribution in the party room did jar with
32:55
Speaker 21: me a little also, because with a bit of experience,
32:59
Speaker 21: you know that these kind of attributions are always going
33:01
Speaker 21: to make their way out of the building.
33:03
Speaker 22: But Andrew has acted with complete integrity.
33:06
Speaker 21: Around his actions, and I thought the criticism was unfair,
33:10
Speaker 21: particularly against the background that you might recall in the
33:13
Speaker 21: lead up to that party room.
33:15
Speaker 22: There had been a leak, a very serious leak.
33:18
Speaker 21: Of information that was supposedly provided on a confidential basis
33:22
Speaker 21: around the election review. And if there needed to be
33:24
Speaker 21: any criticism of leaking or behavior of colleagues or people
33:29
Speaker 21: in and around the party, it should have been that
33:33
Speaker 21: we've got to have confidence in the review process. And
33:37
Speaker 21: to single out Andrew in that way I thought was unfair.
33:40
Speaker 21: And also I think it's a lesson that if you've
33:43
Speaker 21: got an issue with a colleague like that, probably best
33:45
Speaker 21: to have those discussions one on one rather than in
33:48
Speaker 21: the party room, which is effectively hot mirked to the
33:50
Speaker 21: Fourth of State.
33:51
Speaker 3: Let's face it, one hundred percent, one hundred percent.
33:54
Speaker 2: In my day before, when I first started in politics,
33:57
Speaker 2: there were no phones in the building. There was no
34:00
Speaker 2: such thing as a mobile phone, and they certainly were
34:01
Speaker 2: never allowed in the party room. The moment the phones
34:03
Speaker 2: were allowed in the party room a number of years ago,
34:06
Speaker 2: I think it's ended the function of that room as
34:10
Speaker 2: a free and honest exchange. And I have to say, Jamie,
34:13
Speaker 2: I mean, you've been a candidate for the Liberals. We
34:16
Speaker 2: as Liberal supporters and Australians debating all these big issues
34:20
Speaker 2: like immigration, light net zero. We want them to stop
34:23
Speaker 2: bitching and mining behind closed doors. If I'm frank and
34:27
Speaker 2: take these debates, policy debates, debates about substance out in
34:32
Speaker 2: the public domain, and instead of shutting down someone like
34:34
Speaker 2: Andrew Hasty from an alternative view, please Liberals, do what
34:39
Speaker 2: you've done before in your history in the past. Thrash
34:42
Speaker 2: these things out so Australians can come with you on
34:45
Speaker 2: the journey, they can buy into your thinking, they can
34:48
Speaker 2: have their say and hopefully we get a contest then
34:51
Speaker 2: between Labor who were sending us down a hell and
34:53
Speaker 2: a handcart and the coalition who's going to say we've
34:56
Speaker 2: got a better plan for the future.
34:57
Speaker 3: Wouldn't that be nice?
35:00
Speaker 16: At this spot on their Peter, my phone is constantly
35:03
Speaker 16: blowing up with text messages from frustrated Liberal supporters every
35:07
Speaker 16: time a story is leaked. I think that issues need
35:10
Speaker 16: to be staying within the party room. They should not
35:12
Speaker 16: be leaked for factional gain, and I think just Internama
35:15
Speaker 16: jimber Price was spot on this morning on two GB
35:18
Speaker 16: when she says she's written a letter to the leader
35:20
Speaker 16: in Susan Lee to say that these leaks have got
35:23
Speaker 16: to stop because it's making the Liberals look like a
35:25
Speaker 16: clown show. To your point, it is so important that
35:28
Speaker 16: we have a strong opposition. We need the Liberals to
35:31
Speaker 16: not be labor liked. We need them to be extremely
35:34
Speaker 16: different to what labor are offering and just be strong
35:37
Speaker 16: so that they can hold this woeful labor government to
35:41
Speaker 16: account and highlight their failures. That is their job and
35:44
Speaker 16: that is what is so important right now. Enough of
35:47
Speaker 16: the infighting, enough of the leaks. Just focus on the
35:50
Speaker 16: Australian people and holding this labor government to account.
35:56
Speaker 3: Tony.
35:57
Speaker 2: I discussed the optics issues and the outage of Triple
36:00
Speaker 2: zero at the top of the program with cam red Edd.
36:02
Speaker 2: But given you have a very big regional seat on
36:06
Speaker 2: it and a lot of areas that are actually quite remote,
36:08
Speaker 2: I mean I always go to people living in a
36:10
Speaker 2: regional Australia because if you're on a farm and every
36:13
Speaker 2: farm is an industrial site, terrible accidents can happen really quickly.
36:17
Speaker 2: You need to get onto the ambulance, you need to
36:20
Speaker 2: call Triple zero. You know you might need other support.
36:23
Speaker 2: But all the issues anyway with my mobile phone coverage,
36:28
Speaker 2: how's this playing out in your community?
36:33
Speaker 21: Well, people across my electorate are very interested around these
36:38
Speaker 21: failures because it's the kind of failure we live with daily. Peter,
36:44
Speaker 21: there are very many parts of my electorate where you
36:46
Speaker 21: simply can't make a phone call, including a triple O call,
36:50
Speaker 21: and yet we're now seeing this playing out in a
36:53
Speaker 21: metropolitan context, and increasingly in this country, as we're seeing
36:57
Speaker 21: an even greater divide between rural stituents and metropolitan constituents,
37:02
Speaker 21: there are more and more occasions where it's only an
37:05
Speaker 21: issue when it plays out in a regional in a
37:08
Speaker 21: metro setting.
37:09
Speaker 22: Now that was the case with the Algo bloom in
37:11
Speaker 22: South Australia.
37:12
Speaker 21: It's often the case with drought on the recent drought
37:16
Speaker 21: in South Australia was only really an issue when it
37:18
Speaker 21: came close to metropolitan Adelaide.
37:21
Speaker 22: And it's been fascinating to watch these.
37:23
Speaker 21: Failures play out and how critical everyone understands the need
37:29
Speaker 21: to be able to make a triple O call. I
37:31
Speaker 21: just want people to have some empathy for rural and
37:34
Speaker 21: regional Australians who live with the uncertainty of being able
37:37
Speaker 21: to make an emergency call. As you correctly point out,
37:41
Speaker 21: a mobile phone now on a farm is your first piece.
37:43
Speaker 22: Of critical emergency kit.
37:46
Speaker 21: And so often there are no bars, there's no sos
37:50
Speaker 21: ability and you're stuck out there. And so this is
37:52
Speaker 21: why it's critical that we continue to prioritize the role
37:56
Speaker 21: out of regional telecommunication infrastructure. And it's been highlighted by
38:01
Speaker 21: this failure, which has been highlighted via the minister's and
38:05
Speaker 21: optist's failures recently.
38:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, look credit to the Member for Mali two here
38:11
Speaker 2: and Webster because she's been raising this in the parliament,
38:13
Speaker 2: speaking up for communities like yours. Let's go to the
38:16
Speaker 2: story today that the Men's Labor government's got at least
38:19
Speaker 2: ten secret reports where they've modeled the price impact of
38:24
Speaker 2: renewables and emissions policies on power prices in New South
38:29
Speaker 2: Whilst Jamie, now, the fact that they refuse to release
38:34
Speaker 2: these reports, what does that tell you.
38:38
Speaker 16: Well, so much for transparency, huh. I mean, if they've
38:41
Speaker 16: got nothing to hide, why wouldn't you just release these documents?
38:44
Speaker 16: And I think it's saying what we're all thinking and
38:46
Speaker 16: what we're all seeing in our energy prices is that
38:49
Speaker 16: this renewable energy transition is expensive.
38:52
Speaker 3: And I think one.
38:53
Speaker 16: Report in particular that highlighted to me was in the
38:56
Speaker 16: tenth document, which was around that Warrata superbattery and what
38:59
Speaker 16: exactly to do with it. The industry actually said that
39:02
Speaker 16: report should be made public because there's multiple aspects to
39:05
Speaker 16: that that would be of interest. Oh no, that's denied.
39:08
Speaker 16: And I think Peter at the moment, you know, at
39:10
Speaker 16: the top of your show, when you were talking about
39:11
Speaker 16: the ISIS brides and the government hiding what's going on there,
39:16
Speaker 16: we need to stop treating Australian public like mugs, start
39:19
Speaker 16: being transparent and telling us things that we need to know.
39:23
Speaker 16: And this around the energy is so important. Families, businesses
39:27
Speaker 16: can't keep their doors open. We have every right to
39:30
Speaker 16: know what is going on with this transition. And I'm
39:33
Speaker 16: just sick to death of being treated as if we're
39:35
Speaker 16: mugs and that we're stupid and that we can't look
39:37
Speaker 16: into what's going on here.
39:40
Speaker 3: And we're treated like the ATM too.
39:41
Speaker 2: Don't forget today six hundred million dollars of taxpayers money
39:45
Speaker 2: has been put forward to bail out glen Core, and
39:49
Speaker 2: I support the smelters staying open, but I tell you what,
39:52
Speaker 2: Australians need to know exactly what's causing this problem, and
39:56
Speaker 2: we all know it's a government that's out of its
39:58
Speaker 2: depth in terms of managing this transition.
40:01
Speaker 3: I'll leave it there.
40:02
Speaker 2: Thank you, Tony, and particularly you for giving us a
40:04
Speaker 2: straight answer rather than the usual poly speak on the
40:08
Speaker 2: question of party room leaking, which I think everyone's frustrated with.
40:11
Speaker 3: I'll leave it there.
40:12
Speaker 2: All right, after break, more detailed trickling out of Senate
40:15
Speaker 2: estimates about those Islamic state women and the obfuscation from
40:20
Speaker 2: the Home Affairs Minister in question time. All right now
40:27
Speaker 2: returning to the Alminzi governments, ducking and weaving on the
40:30
Speaker 2: return of those isis women. Eventually we got this revelation
40:35
Speaker 2: today in Senate estimates.
40:38
Speaker 10: Have any applications for sitizenship BI descent been processed for
40:41
Speaker 10: people in Syria?
40:43
Speaker 7: The Department has received applications and processed them consistent with
40:51
Speaker 7: our legislative requirements.
40:52
Speaker 10: Right, thank you.
40:53
Speaker 7: How many we processed too applications?
40:59
Speaker 2: Join me now, Shadow Foreign Affairs Minister, Michaulia cash Well, Senator.
41:03
Speaker 2: So much for the Prime Minister and Tony Burke that
41:06
Speaker 2: the minister, the Home Affairs Minister saying that reports these
41:09
Speaker 2: women were coming home we're not accurate. That's the Prime
41:12
Speaker 2: Minister's phrase, and that the government, his government was doing
41:15
Speaker 2: nothing to assist.
41:20
Speaker 20: Well, Peter, what is the Albernese government hiding?
41:23
Speaker 23: I mean, mister Alberanesi is on the record saying the
41:27
Speaker 23: reports that the ISIS brides were returning to Australia were
41:31
Speaker 23: not accurate.
41:32
Speaker 20: Well, guess what we now know that they were.
41:37
Speaker 23: I mean, mister Alberzi, Peter is treating the Australian people
41:41
Speaker 23: like they are fools. What about the safety and security
41:45
Speaker 23: of the Australian people.
41:47
Speaker 20: They deserve answers.
41:48
Speaker 23: And yesterday, Peter in Senate Estimates was Senator Wong. Senator
41:54
Speaker 23: Wong on behalf of the Prime Minister refused to answer
41:58
Speaker 23: even the most basic of questions.
42:01
Speaker 20: And I kid you not.
42:03
Speaker 23: The Department said they could not tell us how many
42:07
Speaker 23: ISIS brides had returned to Australia and I quote because
42:12
Speaker 23: it might compromise their privacy. I mean, You've got to
42:16
Speaker 23: be kidding me. And yet today we have confirmation. Despite
42:20
Speaker 23: mister Albinizi looking the Australian people in the eye and
42:24
Speaker 23: saying the reports that the ISIS brides were returning were inaccurate,
42:30
Speaker 23: we now know that was not true. And indeed, Peter,
42:33
Speaker 23: they've touched down their home.
42:36
Speaker 20: They're on Australian soil.
42:40
Speaker 2: I made the point also that the government's got involved
42:43
Speaker 2: in providing citizenship by descent to the children. They've also
42:48
Speaker 2: got involved by reissuing passports. I presume to the women
42:51
Speaker 2: that the passports would have long been out of date
42:53
Speaker 2: even if they.
42:53
Speaker 3: Had them in their possession. Passports for the children.
42:57
Speaker 2: Can you understand why Australians are saying, Look, these women
43:01
Speaker 2: left almost a decade ago. They signed up to a
43:04
Speaker 2: death cult, even if they were just idiots. And I've
43:08
Speaker 2: seen and read enough and had enough security briefings to
43:10
Speaker 2: say that's in dispute. They've been inculcated in one of
43:15
Speaker 2: the worst Islamist groups in the world. They've been out
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Speaker 2: of the country for a long time. They're coming home
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Speaker 2: to Australia at a time that the country is a
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Speaker 2: tinder box in these issues. The government should be out
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Speaker 2: the front of the Prime Minister's courtyard giving a full
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Speaker 2: and frank press conference and giving Australians assurances that they've
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Speaker 2: got this under the control. But you've got the minister
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Speaker 2: hiding under the desk with you. The other day, you've
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Speaker 2: got the Prime Minister fivving away in the Parliament. It
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Speaker 2: just looks like they have got something to hide.
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Speaker 23: Well, Peter, let's be very clear, as you said, these
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Speaker 23: women made the conscious decision to leave the great country
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Speaker 23: of Australia.
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Speaker 20: Where we have freedom, where we have democracy.
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Speaker 2: They chose to go and join a barbaric death cult
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Speaker 2: that rapes.
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Speaker 23: Tortures and murders men, women and children. In fact, ISIS
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Speaker 23: have been described as one of the most barbaric terrorist
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Speaker 23: organizations of all times. I would have thought the Australian
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Speaker 23: people deserve answers to the most basic of questions in
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Speaker 23: terms of what assessments Peter, were done by this government
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Speaker 23: in their agencies prior to the women returning back to
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Speaker 23: home soil in Australia, What monitoring conditions are in place,
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Speaker 23: given that, as you said, they have now been overseas
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Speaker 23: for a very very long period of time, living with
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Speaker 23: and associating with a death cult. But more than that,
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Speaker 23: what is the Albanese government doing to keep Australian safe
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Speaker 23: and Peter, what we also now and was revealed in
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Speaker 23: cened estimates today is there's actually a larger co hot
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Speaker 23: of women who want to return to Australia So mister
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Speaker 23: ALBERINISI has some very serious questions now to answer.
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Speaker 20: What does the government know about this cohort? How large
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Speaker 20: is it? Are they coming back to Australia, What security
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Speaker 20: assessments are going to be done?
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Speaker 23: So I have to say again the Alberanza government is
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Speaker 23: treating the Australian people like fools. This is their safety
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Speaker 23: and their security and they deserve answers.
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Speaker 2: Well, just quickly, have you just a simple answer here.
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Speaker 2: Have you been able to get a full briefing from
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Speaker 2: the government.
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Speaker 3: On all of those concerns.
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Speaker 23: You saw the answers or non answers that.
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Speaker 20: Penny Wong gave yesterday.
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Speaker 23: You saw again the non ancess that the government provided today.
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Speaker 23: But hold on, I've got Friday, Senator Wong Foreign Affairs,
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Speaker 23: I will again pursue these questions on behalf of the
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Speaker 23: Australian people.
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Speaker 2: Well, I will get my popcorn and watch that one.
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Speaker 2: Michaulia Kashert what thank you for your time. And if
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Speaker 2: you think the women are a nigh in Australia, if
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Speaker 2: you think they're just women who went off on the
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Speaker 2: wrong tram, just wait till we get an Islamic male
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Speaker 2: fighter it self identifies as a woman and comes.
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Speaker 3: Back this way to Australia.
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Speaker 2: That'll happen after the break. Kelviche's it's Wednesday, he joins me. Now,
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Speaker 2: how wonderful resident wordsmith and broadcast at Keil Richards. We've
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Speaker 2: got a few phrases, a few pronunciations and other things tonight, Malcolm,
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Speaker 2: not the Malcolm that you and I are thinking of.
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Speaker 3: Another Malcolm.
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Speaker 2: He wants to know what the phrase arm and a
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Speaker 2: leg means and where it comes from.
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Speaker 3: What's the origins there?
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Speaker 24: Kel, Well, it means expensive. It is going to cost
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Speaker 24: a lot, and there are some myths it. I mean,
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Speaker 24: there's one myth that it was the nickname for an
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Speaker 24: Irish hapemany in the nineteenth century, or it was the
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Speaker 24: price of getting your portrait painted in oil, where there
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Speaker 24: was a fee for every limb. All of them un
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Speaker 24: true because it doesn't appear until nineteen twenty four, so
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Speaker 24: that makes it impossible. It seems to come from the
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Speaker 24: earlier expression I'd give my right arm for that, because
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Speaker 24: in the very early days there was a second line
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Speaker 24: to that, I'd give my right arm for that, and
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Speaker 24: I'd throw in a leg. So if you're really paying
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Speaker 24: a lot for it, it costs an arm in a league.
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Speaker 2: Ah, and did you say that was an English origin?
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Speaker 24: Yes, yes, all right.
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Speaker 2: Carol wants to know where does this saying your name
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Speaker 2: is Mud come from?
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Speaker 24: Oh, this is interesting because there's a very widespread myth
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Speaker 24: on the internet. It keeps being spread all the time,
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Speaker 24: and there's the truth. The myth is that that it
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Speaker 24: comes from the name of doctor Samuel Mudd, who was
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Speaker 24: a doctor who treated the broken leg of John Wilkes Booth,
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Speaker 24: Abraham Lincoln's assassin, and was consequently doctor mudcharge with conspiracy.
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Speaker 24: Now that's true, but it's got nothing to do with
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Speaker 24: that because Lincoln was assassinated eighteen sixty five. Your Name
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Speaker 24: is Mud is first recorded eighteen twenty three, forty years earlier.
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Speaker 24: So it really just does come from the greasy, sloppy, dirty,
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Speaker 24: earthy stuff, which has always meant the worst, the dregs,
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Speaker 24: the dirtiest stuff there is, and it just comes from that.
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Speaker 2: This is one from my childhood. I'm a bit clmsy.
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Speaker 2: We used to fall over a bit and we didn't
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Speaker 2: get much sypity.
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Speaker 3: In my parents' house. Tears sort of weren't allowed.
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Speaker 2: You were just told you were in duffer and to
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Speaker 2: pick yourself up and get moving. So John wants to know,
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Speaker 2: and I'm a bit keen on this one too. Where
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Speaker 2: does duffer come from?
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Speaker 24: Seems to be an Australian coinage late eighteen hundreds, and
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Speaker 24: a duffer originally met a foolish person, and that meaning
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Speaker 24: seemed to come from what we call people who stole cattle.
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Speaker 24: We call them cattle duffers. In the Old West were
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Speaker 24: cattle rustlers, we call them cattle duffers. Now that duffer
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Speaker 24: comes from an earlier family of words of dud and dudder.
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Speaker 24: Dud means fake. Have you got a fake ten dollar note?
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Speaker 24: It's a dud and the man who made it, the forger,
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Speaker 24: is a dudder. Well, duffer was a variation on that
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Speaker 24: because they falsified the brands of cattle. It went from
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Speaker 24: that to being anyone who is a bit foolish to
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Speaker 24: be a very gentle way of reprimanding a nice child.
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Speaker 3: Just quickly. Yogurt or yogurt.
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Speaker 24: Ah Yogurt is the British pronunciation, yogurt is the American pronunciation.
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Speaker 24: When we say yogurt, we are talking like the septic tanks.
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Speaker 2: Peter right, I'm onto yogurt from tomorrow I'll leave Derkl.
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, right damn you come here as always.
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Speaker 3: That's it for me. The Bolt Reports up next