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Overland News: Fall 2023 featuring the new Land Cruiser, ZR2 Bisons, Minimalist Travel Devices, and More · The Overland Journal Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Overland Journal podcast. I am
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  Speaker 1: your host, Scott Brady, and we have a new segment
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  Speaker 1: for the podcast. We're calling it Overland News and in general.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to be joined by Brian mcvickers, who is
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  Speaker 1: a longtime friend and someone that I work with here
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  Speaker 1: at Overland International. He has a real finger on the
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  Speaker 1: pulse of the industry and a lot of the new
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  Speaker 1: products that are coming into the market. So we're going
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  Speaker 1: to discuss new products. These are going to be all
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  Speaker 1: high quality components that we've tested or that are just
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  Speaker 1: released and we want to share them with the audience.
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  Speaker 1: And we're also going to talk a lot about some
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  Speaker 1: of the new vehicles. So this is going to be
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  Speaker 1: our Overland News segment, and it's all framed under the
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  Speaker 1: caveat of we are not recommending people go out and
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  Speaker 1: spend a bunch of money on stuff. However, there are
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  Speaker 1: times that equipment enables our adventure. It allows us to
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  Speaker 1: have maybe a little bit more comfort, a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more safety, or it allows us to work remotely in
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  Speaker 1: the field. So we're going to talk about new Overland
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  Speaker 1: components that are available from the industry, our experience with them,
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  Speaker 1: and whatever we're excited about at the time, So please
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  Speaker 1: directly on our website at Overland Journal dot com. All right, Brian,
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  Speaker 1: let's go into the Overland News. This is going to
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  Speaker 1: be a new segment for us. Thanks for being on
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  Speaker 1: because you get to see a lot of this stuff
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  Speaker 1: before it's even available to consumers.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 1: And you're doing more and more vehicle testing, and you're
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  Speaker 1: doing more and more equipment evaluation. So this seems like
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  Speaker 1: a great opportunity for us to at least once a
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  Speaker 1: quarter because there's so much coming out. There's so much
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  Speaker 1: new information, there's so many new components, so many new
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  Speaker 1: vehicles gear all that premise in the fact that you
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  Speaker 1: don't need these things to travel. Some of them do
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  Speaker 1: in power travel, and some of these things just can
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  Speaker 1: bring joy to your life. But we're not suggesting that
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  Speaker 1: people go out and buy all these things, but I'll
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  Speaker 1: explain the ones that have been really important for me
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  Speaker 1: in some of my recent travels and some of the
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  Speaker 1: things that I'm excited about that help solve problems. We're
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  Speaker 1: seeing more and more higher quality components come back into
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  Speaker 1: the marketplace. We're also seeing a lot lot more innovation.
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  Speaker 1: Now we got into this kind of period of time
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  Speaker 1: when people are doing a lot of copycatting.
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  Speaker 3: Now we're refinement.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, now we're seeing some quality coming back into the space,
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  Speaker 1: some refinement, some more intentionality, some bigger companies too, which
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  Speaker 1: is resulting in some pretty pretty interesting stuff. That's right well,
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  Speaker 1: and I mean a great example of that, and we
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  Speaker 1: can kind of get started with it is is Kuot
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  Speaker 1: so Kuot is this super high end bicycle Beautiful bike
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  Speaker 1: Racks rack company, and I had no idea that they
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  Speaker 1: made an overland rack for trucks. I take a look
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  Speaker 1: at the link and it's it's one of the best
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  Speaker 1: looking truck racks that I've ever seen. The way that
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  Speaker 1: they incorporated this it's kind of like this exoskeleton, but
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  Speaker 1: it's all one piece, so it doesn't it doesn't look
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  Speaker 1: like legos or an erector set. It looks really refined.
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  Speaker 1: So you have this twenty twenty three truck, you have
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  Speaker 1: this new and some modern vehicle, and that a're looking
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  Speaker 1: it's a modern, handsome looking rack. Now we have not
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  Speaker 1: tested this rack extensively yet. We do have one that's
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  Speaker 1: going to be showing up any day. We're going to
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  Speaker 1: be installing it on one of our project tundras. But
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  Speaker 1: I'm really excited to see companies like Kuwat, who makes
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  Speaker 1: these premium bicycle racks, now introducing components specifically for overlanding.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, take a look at that at that Kuwat rack.
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  Speaker 3: They're a good example of what we're seeing more and
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  Speaker 3: more in the overland space. Is so Kuwat has made
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  Speaker 3: They've always been known for very high quality products, and
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  Speaker 3: I think what they've done over the last few years
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  Speaker 3: is they've noticed that their customers are overlanding, and they're
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  Speaker 3: kind of they're not just riding bikes. They're into this
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  Speaker 3: vehicle based adventure. Probably three or four years ago they
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  Speaker 3: decided to go to the Overland Expo in Colorado and
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  Speaker 3: leveland at the Mountain westco Sure, and that gave them
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  Speaker 3: an opportunity to see these consumers firsthand. And so they're
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  Speaker 3: getting the consumers, their customers kind of saying, hey, here's
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  Speaker 3: how we use the rack, here's what we'd like to
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  Speaker 3: see different or change, or here's what we like. And
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  Speaker 3: then they start going to the events, and now we
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  Speaker 3: start to see them making a very concerted effort towards
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  Speaker 3: this marketplace, towards this audience.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and a perfect example of that. I mean, many
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  Speaker 2: people who overland also mountain bike.
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  Speaker 1: But the thing that was really interesting to me is
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  Speaker 1: how they said how they basically made a surprisingly beautiful,
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  Speaker 1: effective rack, but then they took the things that they're
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  Speaker 1: really really good at and they integrated it. So one
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  Speaker 1: of the challenges is when you put when you put
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  Speaker 1: a roof tent on top of your truck, you now
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  Speaker 1: don't have roof space to carry your mountain bikes anymore.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and to clarify, we're talking about their transition from
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  Speaker 3: a hitch mounted rack that's right to a full truck
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  Speaker 3: truck bed racks. Yeah, it's a trip bed rack that
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  Speaker 3: will also have mountain bike and rooftop tent at the
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  Speaker 3: same time.
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  Speaker 1: And that was the thing that was interesting about it
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  Speaker 1: is you can mount the roof tent to the top,
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  Speaker 1: but then there are these super heavy duty brackets that
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  Speaker 1: mount to the side the side of the rack system
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  Speaker 1: and allows you to have a full sized roof tent
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  Speaker 1: and two mountain bikes mounted to the same platform. So
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  Speaker 1: again we're seeing this innovation quality. So that's a that's
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  Speaker 1: a good example of what we're talking about. The other one, now,
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  Speaker 1: in full disclosure, Rocky Talkie has been a very generous
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  Speaker 1: supporter of the podcast, and I'm so grateful for that.
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  Speaker 1: But it's important for us to note that they also
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  Speaker 1: make products that we intentionally use because we find them
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  Speaker 1: to be the best in class. We're grateful when we
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  Speaker 1: get the opportunity to work with companies that are helping
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  Speaker 1: us through taking care of things like the podcast, but
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  Speaker 1: then they also make a product that we're really proud
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  Speaker 1: to talk about. Rocky Talkie has made these these very
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  Speaker 1: robust USBC chargeable long life lithium battery walkie talkies for
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  Speaker 1: quite some time.
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  Speaker 2: And then they're very small.
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  Speaker 1: They're great for climbing and think of being on a
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  Speaker 1: motorcycle or or if you're just a short distance away
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  Speaker 1: from the vehicle. But they just came out the new one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, to give you an idea of the quality and
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  Speaker 3: the robustness of these radios. They were originally designed by
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  Speaker 3: and four mountaineers.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it looks like it.
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  Speaker 3: Those are like those are kind of no compromise environments. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and that's why they developed these radio.
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  Speaker 1: And they're they're waterproof, IP sixty seven rated, they're drop rated,
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  Speaker 1: so like all this stuff that unfortunately happens when you're overlanding,
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  Speaker 1: like it starts raining when you're out spotting, or you
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  Speaker 1: forget and you leave the radio in the back of
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  Speaker 1: the truck and overnight, or it's sitting on the fender
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  Speaker 1: when you're camping out and it gets soaked with rain.
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  Speaker 1: It can handle that. But what they just came out
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  Speaker 1: with a new model, and this is a five watt unit,
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  Speaker 1: so higher output, further range, that's correct. So up to
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  Speaker 1: a thirty five mile line of sight range. This does
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  Speaker 1: require to go on to the FCC website and you
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  Speaker 1: need to register as a gmrsuser.
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  Speaker 3: Cost with that or just five bucks.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's a very minimal sort. It may now
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  Speaker 1: actually be free, but you do need to go on
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  Speaker 1: and register because of the power of the unit. But
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  Speaker 1: to get a thirty five mile range, and now you
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  Speaker 1: don't have to do this complex installation of any anything
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  Speaker 1: inside your vehicle. So when we were and we are
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  Speaker 1: using the smaller Rocky Talkies in Africa, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: Joe could be way around the corner when we're getting
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  Speaker 1: ready to do a video shoot, or he can even
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  Speaker 1: be in the village getting some supplies while I'm working
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  Speaker 1: on the vehicle, and he could be miles away. You
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  Speaker 1: guys are still and we're still able to communicate, and
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  Speaker 1: it sounds the clarity of the communication is really good.
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  Speaker 1: But I think the thing that stands out to me
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  Speaker 1: about the Rocky Talkies is just the quality of the construction.
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  Speaker 1: It's once you get a chance to actually hold one
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  Speaker 1: of these things in your hand that you're like, wow,
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  Speaker 1: this is a different level of consumer radio. And now
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  Speaker 1: we have five watts, and there's also two different antenna
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  Speaker 1: There's there's a shorter antenna for when it's on your person,
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  Speaker 1: maybe the person spotting on the in the vehicle. You
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  Speaker 1: can have this taller antenna and it all so appears
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  Speaker 1: to be a standard antana, like a standardized antenna screw mount,
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  Speaker 1: so you could actually a little larger or maybe even
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  Speaker 1: a mag magmount, or you could use this duck on
• 9:13
  Speaker 1: a magmount. There's a lot of interesting developments around that.
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  Speaker 1: So new five watt Rocky Talky radio, which I think
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  Speaker 1: is pretty cool.
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  Speaker 3: The other thing is the streamline design. It doesn't have
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  Speaker 3: any knobs sticking out, yeah, nothing to catch, nothing to catch,
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  Speaker 3: nothing to break off. And then they do have some
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  Speaker 3: sort of I don't know if it's encryption or encoding
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  Speaker 3: that allows you to kind of have more of a
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  Speaker 3: personal channel.
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  Speaker 2: Oh interesting, Yeah, that's right between group.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, between the and the places that I've been using
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  Speaker 1: Rocky Tiger radios is nobody. There's nobody that has another
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  Speaker 1: GMR GMRS within a thousand miles if you're at the
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  Speaker 1: ski resort or at an overland expo for example, Overland
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  Speaker 1: Expo whatever.
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  Speaker 2: That's what we did that's.
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  Speaker 1: What we did at the Overland expos We picked one
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  Speaker 1: of those private channels. Yeah, but it's also like for
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  Speaker 1: those that are on YouTube and you can see it
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  Speaker 1: when you fire these things up, the display is actually
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  Speaker 1: behind this panel. You can't even see it, so there's
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  Speaker 1: not a it's not a display to break or you
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  Speaker 1: can turn the beeping off. That's just great, you can't.
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  Speaker 1: It can be totally silent. Pretty cool product. It's nice
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  Speaker 1: to see them continue to be successful and to also
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  Speaker 1: release new release, new products, new Rocky Talky Radio one
• 10:22
  Speaker 1: of the ones that I was most excited about. And
• 10:25
  Speaker 1: it's also we love to help support small businesses and
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: that is this unique componentry modification to the Starlink antenna.
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  Speaker 2: Again for those.
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  Speaker 1: On YouTube, you can see that this is one point
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  Speaker 1: nine inches thick. It converts the the Starlink antenna, their
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: new standard kind of home RV antenna which normally has
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  Speaker 1: this all these motors and it has a rod that
• 10:51
  Speaker 1: sticks out of it that can't be removed and they
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: get very bulky. It removes all of that and they
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  Speaker 1: actually machine off the bottom of the antenna and then
• 11:02
  Speaker 1: they install so all of the power supply the router
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  Speaker 1: all these other components, all the wire that you used
• 11:10
  Speaker 1: to have to carry to go between them. It's all
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  Speaker 1: integrated into one unit.
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  Speaker 3: So they take an original starlink.
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  Speaker 2: God, I said, no, I sent them my starlink.
• 11:18
  Speaker 3: And they disassemble it.
• 11:20
  Speaker 1: They do, they do, and then they create new boards
• 11:23
  Speaker 1: and they they miniaturize several things. They also convert it
• 11:27
  Speaker 1: to twelve volts, so the the antenna's like when I
• 11:31
  Speaker 1: was traveling with it last year, the antennas were one
• 11:34
  Speaker 1: hundred and twenty volt, so you have all of that
• 11:36
  Speaker 1: parasitic loss of conversion between the two. They convert it
• 11:39
  Speaker 1: to twelve vaults. They integrate the Wi Fi antenna. It
• 11:44
  Speaker 1: is one point nine inches thick. Now removes all of
• 11:47
  Speaker 1: the arms and it can work flat mounted on the vehicle.
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: And what I'm using I was just using it on
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: the RAM that I'm testing. They have these heavy duty
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  Speaker 1: magnetic feet, so I would I just stuck it on
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: the top of the RAM. It has a remote control
• 12:02
  Speaker 1: to turn it on and off. It plugs into the
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: twelve volt of the vehicle, or you can run it
• 12:07
  Speaker 1: off at one twenty. It also comes with a one
• 12:09
  Speaker 1: twenty converter and just one cable to connect it, one
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  Speaker 1: single cable and it's like a heavy duty connector, weather
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  Speaker 1: proof connector. I was doing seventy five miles an hour
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  Speaker 1: down I seventeen with broadband internet connection.
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  Speaker 3: And it's on top of the cab or in the truck.
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  Speaker 1: On top of the cab of the of the RAM,
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  Speaker 1: and it broadcasts a Wi Fi network broadband performance. I
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: was on a phone call with Joe, who I was
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: in Africa with this morning, just talking about some logistics stuff,
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  Speaker 1: and at the end of the almost the end of
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  Speaker 1: the call, I'm like, dude, by the way, this entire
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: phone call on WhatsApp, you couldn't tell I was driving
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: the ram down, you know, in Prescott here, down Williamson
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: Valley Road at sixty miles an hour on the phone
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: with him and you would never know it. It's just
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: going to keep getting better and better. It's very rare
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  Speaker 1: that I say something is game changing, but Starlink is
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  Speaker 1: game changing. Get smaller and and this this thing is
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  Speaker 1: I can carry it on. I'm going to carry it
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  Speaker 1: on with me to go to Africa. So it's a
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  Speaker 1: really it's a really significant, uh new product and really.
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  Speaker 3: Like a laptop, you're gonna have to take it out
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  Speaker 3: of your bag.
• 13:12
  Speaker 1: No TSA man TSA pre check. It's going to raise suspicions.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm going to go ahead. I'm gonna go ahead
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  Speaker 1: and take it out of the bag to begin with.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, you know, it's it's very very cool. It
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  Speaker 1: just it's it allows us to be in these remote,
• 13:29
  Speaker 1: incredible places and still get work done when we need to.
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  Speaker 1: It just it enables a form of travel that I
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: prefer because I like to I love my job, I
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: love what I do, but I also want to be
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: in the middle of Rwanda while I'm doing it. And
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: finally there's a way for us to do that. It
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: completely does and it'll work on the sailboat. It works
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: in motion, it works on in a boat with c State.
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: Now there are new marine versions that are multi ndten
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  Speaker 1: and they all which allows for them to take into
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: consideration the pitch and roll.
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  Speaker 3: So what subscription do you have to have for this
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  Speaker 3: to work and all the places?
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: That is an important consideration, and it is it is
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: necessary to get the global roaming package, so it's Global Mobile.
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: There's a domestic mobile version which is around one hundred
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: and fifty dollars. I think a month, and then there
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: is global roaming, which is two hundred dollars a month.
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  Speaker 1: And despite the fact that they list few countries that
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: this is available so far, the people that are traveling
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: overland with it, it is working everywhere.
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: So this is totally even in places supposed to work.
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: Well yeah, supposedly, yeah, from what we hear.
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: So you've been working with the ionizer so oh three
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: oh three ionizer three.
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: So that's a really probably simple, there's some degree, but
• 14:52
  Speaker 3: it's they've got three or four different versions of it.
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: We all deal with stinky campers.
• 14:56
  Speaker 3: It's stinky campers, stinky rooftop tents. I can't remember the
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  Speaker 3: last time my vehicle hasn't stunk after, you know, even
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: a three to four day.
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: Little trip I've traveled with you. Yeah, they got teenagers,
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: wayman on the kids, I see, Brian.
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: These little units basically convert they produce ozone, and ozone
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  Speaker 3: will break down bacteria and that's the primary cause of
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: the smells and stinks that you that you get in
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  Speaker 3: the vehicles or in the trailers, whatever it might be.
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  Speaker 3: So they've got one that'll plug into a twelve volt outlet,
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  Speaker 3: and then they've got one that's rechargeable. They also have
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  Speaker 3: this cool little duffel bag that you can take your
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: stinky clothes or your stinky equipment and you can put
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  Speaker 3: it into this duffel bag, zip it up, throw the
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  Speaker 3: puck in there, and an hour later you come back.
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  Speaker 3: Everything smells like ozone. So if you're not familiar with
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: ozone smell, I have no idea what ozone smells.
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: It's after a rainstorm smell. Oh, which I love that, right.
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: So rainstorms, with all the electricity in the air and
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: the lightning, they actually produce ozone. So that's just that
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: fresh rain smell that you smell is actually ozone.
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  Speaker 2: So I had no idea. I just learned something new.
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  Speaker 3: And then you just let that smell dissipate and then everything.
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: And why do you have to let it dissipate? Because
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  Speaker 2: it's not safe.
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: It's not the safest thing to breathe in. Got it.
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  Speaker 3: It's also not depends. We're not science, we're not signing scientists.
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: We're not trying to play scientists here to say that
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  Speaker 3: you shouldn't breathe any of it. Some people say you
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: can breathe a certain amount, it's not a big deal.
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  Speaker 3: They have like a.
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  Speaker 2: Big well, you're breathing it in after a rainstorm.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, the big unit that they have, they say,
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  Speaker 3: don't be in the same room with it. This episode
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  Speaker 3: has to be smaller units are not a big deal.
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  Speaker 1: It has to be parts per million because it's displacing something.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: So so there are other gases that we need to
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: breathe that are being displaced.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: When I went to the last Overland Expo in Colorado
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: and I drove that new Wrangler, the four by e.
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: When I was driving back, I had the little twelve
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: ol unit that you just put in a cigarette lighter,
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: and I did that. You're using this truck for a week,
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: it starts to stink. And so I actually had plugged
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: in while I was driving a little bit and you
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: was just a little weavy down the highway.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: Was fine, a couple twitches, Yeah, but it.
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: Worked out really well. You couldn't tell. You can smell it,
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: but it doesn't affect it.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: Well, And and there are times like the one. The
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: one solution that came to mind for me is in
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: the Scout camper. You know it's because it's because it's compact.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: You have all of your living systems in there. Including
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: a shower that you use where there's a shower pan
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: that's drying out. And there's also a composting toilet on
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: the inside. So yeah, and it doesn't like it normally
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: doesn't smell bad like a composting toilet is is. It's
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: an amazing thing how well it works, but it has
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: this kind of earthy compost smell. And so that my
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: thought was, when you're living out of this thing, it
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: would probably be pretty nice. You're gonna go go in
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: to go to dinner or whatever, you just skip ozone
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: thing kicking.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: Hey, you snap it for thirty minutes, you get back,
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: you open the windows yet and then and that kind
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: of neutral all the smells.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: That's interesting.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: So it doesn't smell like anything in particular once the
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: ozon dissipates, which is really nice.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: Oh that's cool.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Well that was a that's like a totally out of
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: left field product that I didn't even think I ever needed.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: But I'm like, you know what, that would actually be
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: pretty use. That will be pretty handy, pretty handy. There's
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: some other impressive new developments like Nidto has come out
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: with a recon grappler at tire that's right and This
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: is a particularly robust version of an at with Also
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: it's got a very robust shoulder lug. One of the
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: challenges with a lot of all terrains is chipping and chunking.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: So to see this heavily reinforced, robust shoulder lug, and
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: it looks almost like a hybrid tire, so it's a
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: little bit more of an open pattern. So I think
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: it's going to work really well for people that are
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: in mixed terrain, like travelers like overlanders, where you're going
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: from a dry climate to a wet climate back. So
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: it's it's cool to see Nidto has always been known
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: for making very reliable, durable time but it's cool to
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: see them coming out with new technology and new tread patterns,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: particularly ones that I think would be very useful for overlanders.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: And it looks like they have the standard sizes. Yeah,
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: you know, they equivalent to thirty two to thirty three.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: I think they had a thirty five just under thirty
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: five and thirty seven as well.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and a bunch of different wheel diameters and so
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: that that's cool to see how well Niddo is adopting
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: the overland space too. So the other one that I
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: think is really interesting and you've used for a while
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: is the Remarkable.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: So is their first generation.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: So this is their second generation tablet with the keyboard,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: that's correct. The reason why I've been using a Remarkable
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: is again it's distraction free creativity. So I write now
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: all of my content on the Remarkable because there is
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: I'll download it some PDFs with with some interesting or
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: some important backstory information. But I get my first draft
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: out on the Remarkable and eye production of content at
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: least fifty percent better, probably double. I probably producing twice
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: as many words per day using the Remarkable than I
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: would with any other device. Because an email comes through,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: some notification comes through, and.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: Know you've got a dedicated worklof.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, or there's some specific technical thing that you're trying
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: to articulate, and it sends you down this rabbit hole
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: of and then you have to get back into the
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: creative space of writing. So now I just I'll just
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: make a note to research something at the end of
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: the first draft.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: How has it changed? So I have the Remarkable one tablet,
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: which I don't use as much anymore because the reason
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: that I got it was for notes. So I'll have
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: my laptop and then I take a lot of notes
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: along the way, whether for whatever calls meeting. Sure and
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: use research. But the biggest limitation that I found with
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: the Remarkable one was it doesn't transfer the files into
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: say like a cloud very easily. So I couldn't a
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: transfer the files anywhere. They would just kind of like
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: live on that thing. It didn't work well, and it does.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: It does that now with the remark Remarkable that it
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: has its own cloud service. It syncs up with all
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: of your other devices. So or if I want to
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: just grab all of the copy that I just wrote,
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: as soon as I open up my laptop and I
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: open up the Remarkable app on my on my MacBook, bro,
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: it's all there and you can take drop it into
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: a word document.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Or export it as a word document, or import word
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: documents and read them on the Remarkable.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: Right, So the evolution to the version two is much
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: more useful.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: And one of the things that Remarkable as a company
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: has been quite remarkable. They're very thoughtful and they take
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: what they do very seriously. But when I got the unit,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: one of the things they said was like, it's just
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: really important for you to know that this isn't a
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Kindle device, But I think they're selling themselves short because yes,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: you do not have the Kindle app on the Remarkable,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: but you can it can use epub versions of books.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: They're talking about. Just for books, yeah, because it seems
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: like a totally different type of device.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: This is perfect for books because it's not a backlit screen,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: it's an organic led screen. I read now most of
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: the books on the Remarkable, But you're not going to
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: get like a book that was written in twenty twenty
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: three and read it on here. Not very likely because
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: it's not going to be available as an epub or
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: it's most likely, or it's not going to be available
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: as a PDF. But what it forced me to do
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: was come back to first principles reading. So I'm bringing
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: down books that are that have been in print for
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: a very long time and they're available as an epub
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: or they're available as a PDF, you know, like a
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Richard Feynman book that I just just downloaded, and others
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: that are they're very much first principle thinking, and it's
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: forcing me to read in a different way instead of
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: just whatever the book of the day is. It's like
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: let's get back to these really original thinkers. And it's
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: not to say that there aren't original thinkers in twenty
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: twenty three, because there absolutely are. But there's a lot
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: of things that can be learned by reading older books.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: I'm doing that.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: I'm reading extensively now on the Remarkable, and then they'll
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: The last thing that I think is what makes it
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: really interesting for those of us that are creatives is
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: the fact that they now have this folio, which is
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: their keyboard accessory.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: It has a pen as well.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: It does.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: I'm left handed and I have terrible penmanship, so I
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: think I've attempted one note on here. But I can
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: type like nobody's business.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: But it'll convert your handwright.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: It does it well.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: It tries and everybody else's case for you, I'm sure
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: it works perfect for everyone else on the planet except
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: for me.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: You could be a new case study.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: But I can type really fast, so I don't know
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: what my typing speed is, but it blazing like the
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: thing has smoke coming out of there, because that's what
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: I do all day most days. So, and the keyboard
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: is really good. It's very responsive, it works really well
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: with it feels tightly integrated. Yeah, I just like we
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: just did that today doing the notes to get ready
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: for this podcast. So for the traveler, you can read books,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: you can write your daily journals, you can write notes,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: but do it in this undistract did way where you're
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: able to just really focus on the craft, on the
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: deeper work. So I've really appreciated the remarkable.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's great.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: That was one that I personally have been using more recently,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: the potato and the remarkable.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: All Right.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: So the other thing that's come out recently came out
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: in the news is the new red Arc lithium ion
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: batteries are now available in North America. Yeah, and they
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: have a couple different sizes that are available in other markets,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: primarily in Australia, but for the United States at least initially,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: there is this very compact lithium ion battery that is
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty ampowers, which is going to meet
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: the needs of the vast majority of overland travelers unless
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: you are trying to run an air conditioner or you're
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: trying to run a very large complex camper system. One
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty empowers is a great number. If you
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: were to put two of them in there. Then now
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're running starlink. No problem, you're running,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: You're exactly. But the reason why I think these are
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: notable is red Arc is almost always notable because of
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: the quality of their components and the fact that red
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Arc specifically makes electronics for overland travelers. But what makes
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: this this battery really unique is that it has seventy
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: percent higher energy density, which means if you just translate
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: that into one hundred and fifty hour battery, it is
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: now going to be seventy percent smaller for the same
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: power output. So you end up with this very compact,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: very high output battery from red Arc, which I think it.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: Really looks like a normal size, relatively normal size battery
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: compared to the thing with the rope. The ropes on
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: either end. It's just yeah, big D three.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: It's just a compact, massive amount of power in it
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: at one hundred and fifty empowers. So, and then the
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: other thing that's really relevant because sometimes when you're traveling
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: from campsite to campsite, you don't have a lot of
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: time to recharge, especially a battery that big. So if
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: you had two of them, you had three hundred ampowers
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: in there and you're trying to charge quickly under a
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: short period of time. It now has it has a
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: much faster charge rate than most of the other batteries
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: on the market. So the fact that while your Wrangler's
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: mainlining two hundred and twenty amps into the system, it
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: can actually consume that and charge very quickly.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: Can it do that spliced into an existing system or
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: does it need a red ARC system to do that?
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: It looks as if all the information that I've looked
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: at it has a charge profile that's similar to other
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: lithium ion batteries, which means if you have an existing
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: system that is not or a solar charging system that
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: is not a red ARC but it has a lithium
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: charge profile available, then you can set.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: It to work for that.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: That's great.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so really cool to see red Arc making those
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: batteries available in the US, and they just keep adding
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: new products, which is really exciting. The other thing I
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: thought was really interesting was to see AARB announce their
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: new trailer. So they announced the earth Camper. This looks
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: like a gigantic injection molded. Does injection molded? It's very cool.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: A lot of people in the US don't know that
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: AARB has tons of experience with truck toppers, so they're
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: used to working with injection molded components, molding these complex
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: shapes and very modern designs, so they just found a
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: way to do that.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: Well, that's in Australia. A lot of their catalog doesn't
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: make it to the US.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: That's correct, and it makes sense. I mean, trying to
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: ship a truck camper truck capper to the US, you're
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: just not There's not gonna be enough margin to make
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: that work most likely. Whereas this trailer, with it having
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: all of this years of AARB experience built into it,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: they literally built their ultimate overland trailer. So it'll be
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: interesting to see if the earth Camper comes to the
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: United States, because it looks really suitable to the.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: Town does and it has enough style differences to it
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: that I think it would kind of stand out.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: And it meets my first requirement of a trailer, which
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: means you need to be able to sleep inside of it.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: If you're just using a trailer to haul around a
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: roof tent, doesn't make any sense to me. It may
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: make sense to somebody, it makes no sense to me.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: You might as well, just put the roof tent on
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: the car. Different use cases, but for the most part,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: if you can sleep inside the tent or inside the trailer,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: you've now added a level of capability that's difficult to
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: employ with a typical pickup truck or suv. So this
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: is a large, sleep inside teardrop style but robust off
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: road camper, which is kind of cool. So I like that,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: like to see airb just like trying totally new stuff.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: So they every year they've got something, a couple of
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: new products.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and a lot of times they just come out
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: of left field in a way that you don't expect
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: and then you're like, oh, that totally totally makes sense
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: in hindsight, So that's very cool. Another product I've been
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: using recently is the garment tread so I took that
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: with me to Africa. In my experience traveling around the
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: African continent, you have to have a garment device because
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: you need to have.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Tracks for Africa.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: So Tracks for Africa is available as an app on
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: your phone or your tablet. It does not work very well.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: I use it as a worst case scenario backup, but.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: The one on the garment but it's a.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Totally different solution, so like the one that they have
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: in the app. I'm sure it's even a different development team.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: It feels like a totally different experience between the tracks
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: for Africa app and the tracks.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: For Africa and the tracks for Africa. Like User Information Base.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: A lot of it is they do a lot of
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: ground truth thing, but they also collect information and they're
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: smart about it. So they wait until they get a
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: couple of tracks in the same area, and then they
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: ground troth them by by basically taking a larger sample set,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: and then they add those they add those tracks to
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: the database, and they also do fairly regular updates of
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: their data. I mean literally, Joe and I are driving
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: the Grenadier down this track in Mozambique and and here
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: very clearly on the tracks for Africa, it says land mines.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: Oh so like it's a different day.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: You don't want to go Yeah, you don't want to
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: go over to where the landmines are, but like that
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: that's something that a you know, a Google map would
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: never show you or sat map would never show you.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: And has all the have all the tracks been fairly accurate?
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it's just so good. Yeah, it's so good.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Now there.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Their data gets a little less robust in the northern
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: parts of Western Africa, but it's there's nothing like it,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: and it displays best on the garment device. The other
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: reason why I always use a garment device is because
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: I need the reliability of track recording. I'm sure everybody
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: that's listening has experienced this. But then it happens with
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: all of them, Gaya, all of them, they just randomly
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: stop tracking stuff. And the way that I understand it
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: is not a GAYA problem, It's an edge of service problem.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: So like the phone gets just on the edge of
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: service and it causes some disconnect between cell phone towers
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: and the internal GPS and it just stops recording your.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: Try everything shuts down. I've had that happen a few times,
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: especially when you get to the edge of their mapping.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: It's have to have a backup. I still use an iPad.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: I still like Guya because of the different layers. I
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: use use it for some satmap stuff. But when I'm
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: traveling in Africa, and when I'm traveling anywhere, I always
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: run a garment because I know I'm going to get
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: the reliable track recording and reliable track recording has two
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: really beneficial outcomes. You can share the track with others
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: if that want to do the same trip, or keep
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: it for your own memories and referring back to But
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: the other reason why you do it as a safety
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: reason is that you want to be able to breadcrumb
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: turn around and follow your track back out.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: And if you tried using your watch garment watch as
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: a redundancy.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: I use it all the time for hiking because now
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: that I have the potato, I have no other way
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: to like check a MAF if I'm out hiking, I
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: intentionally don't really look at the garment. I track every
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: hike on the garment, but I intentionally don't look at
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: it because I've enjoyed like this kind of feeling of
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: having to pay attention where I'm walking now.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: Just so you don't get lost.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah sure, Whereas for years I've always had my phone
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: on me and I just completely I'm like, yeah, I
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: got to turn the left on fr three twenty something,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: and you just go out and you twelve miles later
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: you end up back at your car and you really
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: have no idea where you were. I'm enjoying having to
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: stop and look at signs or think about the route
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: or research ahead of time. But I do always have
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: the garment watch map available if I had, if I
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: had to. I mean, and the garment watches are they're
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: pretty insane.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's amazing how much they put into that.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Well, and the reason why they work way better for
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: travel than an Apple Watch or anything else is the
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: amount of days that they that they last life.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: It's the one all over twenty five days.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's well, and if you do a lot of
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: hiking and where you're doing GPS stuff, it's much less
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: than that, but it's still like seven eight nine days
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: of battery power and there you don't get that in
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: an Apple watch. And also like the intrusive parts of
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: the Apple Watch don't exist on the garment and you
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: don't feel like you've got to be like answering a
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: text on your watch. It's like, the watch works really
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: good as a watch. It does a good job of
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: tracking my sleep, it does a good job of tracking
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: all of my exercise.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: And and other things.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: But then it has these overland related tools on it,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: like maps, compass, elevation, speed, over ground, all these other
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: things that are unique to a garment watch. So yeah,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: it's kind of become the watch of choice for me.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's nice back up to the tread.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: I have not used my Apple Watch since I got
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: the garment on my wrist. There are times that I'll
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: run an analog watch because I just prefer it sometimes,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: But like for travel, it's now it's a total game changer.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: It's another game changer product. It's really good. It's really good.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and like didn't when we were on the sailboat,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: didn't Rusty like have a way to like track the
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: boat data on his watch.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: He's got one that interfaces with the autopilot and all
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: the that's crazy, the entire system. So he was standing
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: up on the bow of the boat, you know, clicking
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: things on his watch to make the boat turn.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty that's pretty amazing.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: I think. I think they do a really good job
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: of having all their products talk to one another.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: So the one thing that I've noticed that from getting
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: deeper in the garment ecosystem is every interaction that I
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: have with the problem feels very professional, whereas a lot
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: of other tools that we especially electronics that we integrate with,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: they feel very consumer grade. Whereas that's one thing I've
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: been really impressed with on the garment stuff. Is it
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: all feels very professional, very professional grade tools, which means
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: that it doesn't do some of the whiz bang stuff
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: that people get used to with other devices, but it
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: does all the important things perfectly every time. And that's
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: the rarity.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I haven't hit any dead ends with it. Yeah,
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: so I think what you're talking about is some consumer products.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: You're It does everything except the thing that you should
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: think that it could do, and.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Or it doesn't, or it just doesn't do it well.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: Tells you that it's going to do, and it.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Does it well, and it does it like at a
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: level of a professional activity, just tracking exercise on the
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: garment is a better result, Like I get more consistent
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: results from that. And it doesn't lock up. It doesn't.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: I've got some friends who swear by the athletic training
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: components that they have. Yeah, so that'll monitor your sleep
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: and all mount or all your workouts and then it
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: tells you when to rest. Yeah, I U tell you today,
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: don't let your heart rate go over one fifteen. It's
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: pretty accurate.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: I use it.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: I use the app on the iPad and I upload
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: everything to the watch, and I do not do any
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: physical exercise without running it through the garment because it
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: has been so effective, Like if I don't sleep well,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: it helps me adjust those goals to make sure that
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: I'm not overstressing my body. And you know I'm not,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: you know, twenty years old anymore. So like I want
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: my body to at the recovery time I do, I
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: need the recovery time. Garment watch is pretty good too.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Another one that you brought up was that new Intrepid
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: roof ten.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: Tell me about that top ten? Yeah, you know what
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: I One of the things I like about the Intrepid
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: is it's another example of innovation in the rooftop ten market,
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: where I think you see a lot of regurgitated ideas, right,
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: a lot of recycled ideas where you know they're either
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: doing something that's already been done or they're ordering from
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: the same factory and just putting a different logo on it.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: The Intrepid, if you can imagine, and it looks like
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: a wedge tent, but instead of just a kind of
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: forty five degree angled wedge, the roof has an extra
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: hinge in it so when it opens, it kind of
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: kind of opens like that. So this entire area becomes
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: your living space. Instead of just this.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: I got it up with a lot more usable space.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: A lot more usable space you could, you know, instead
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: of like.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: Is it a hard shell or is it soft shell?
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: It's a hard shell.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: Wow. Cool.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: It's a hard shell that opens up with two hinges
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: and then it's got soft sides. Three soft sides, so
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: you can actually sit two people the length of the tent,
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: whereas a lot of wedge tents you could maybe sit
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: two people side by side. Yeah, it just gives you
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: a lot more space with a it's innovative, but it
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: looks like a fairly simple innovation. I mean they just
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: added a hinge and it completely changed the amount of
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: usable space.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's cool and it looks it looks good too.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: It's nice to see people coming up with new ideas
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: instead of just copying others. So let's switch topics into vehicles.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: You've been doing some more vehicle testing and most recently
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: you were on the Chevy Bison launch a bunch of
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: the different.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was the kind of the there was the
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: ZR two Bison family, so it included the Colorado and
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: the Silverado HD, which is a twenty five hundred HD.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: Did it also have the fifteen hundred the fIF size?
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: It had a full sized fifteen hundred with the new
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: diesel engine.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what'd you think of that new diesel?
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: I liked it. It was I only got to drive
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: it for probably about thirty minutes. They let us drive that.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: They let everybody have a turn to drive that for
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: about thirty minutes on the first day. Sure, it wasn't
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: a very heavy focus. The only thing different about the
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: vehicle is the engine. But as far as the engine goes,
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: I did.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: And that's a three liter diesel.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: I did about fifteen minutes of highway speeds up to
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: about seventy five and then did a very soft sandy
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: dirt track, a sandy track in the desert with some
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: hard embedded rock. Yeah, and it was effortless. I actually
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: kept it in four high because for low with that
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: diesel had so much torque that it was for what
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: we were we were flat.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: Sure, you like really couldn't drive it because it had
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: so much low end torque. Yeah, And so I just
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: kept it in four high and it it did. I mean,
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: it was effortless to drive.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: This is the evolution of the three leader that's in
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: the eighty four project vehicle that we've got, And it's
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: so encouraging to see Chevrolet and GMC continuing with that
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: power plant because it's the best motor I've ever had
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: in any vehicle it ever owned. Like I just to
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: get twenty twenty one miles of the gallon out of
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: a full sized truck on thirty fives is just unbelievable,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: and it does it.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: They really seemed to be there. I met with their
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: whole engineering team and their design team. They seem to
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: be doing an exceptional job at not just listening to
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: the consumer, but seeing and understanding how the consumer is
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: using their vehicles. Yeah, and then providing solutions that not
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: just because they look good on a design board, because
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: they're going to be functional in a day to day use.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: And it's in the same thing applies to GMC. But
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: to see like an AEV addition either ZR two or
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: an AT four x so front and rear, lockers, thirty
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: five thirty five inch tall tires, AEV bumpers front and rear,
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: and a three liter turbo diesel in a half ton truck.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Is just like, that's so cool.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: The only thing that I would love to see improve
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: with some of those those trucks. Is the payload when
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: you get them optioned up that way, it can be
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: around one thousand pounds of payload, which people will say like, oh,
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: that's a half ton. Well, it's actually a five passenger
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: half ton, so you have to take one hundred and
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: fifty to one hundred and seventy five pounds. Each manufacturer
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: uses a different metric or there are different standards for
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: what an occupant weight is considered standardized to. But if
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: you used one hundred and fifty pounds as that number,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: and you have five passengers in there, so you've got
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: eating seven, you have seven hundred and fifty pounds, you
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: have seven hundred and fifty pounds of passengers, So it
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: really should be seventeen hundred and fifty pounds of payload
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: in that vehicle to make it a half ton, because
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: it needs to be able to carry a half ton
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: of payload and five passengers.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: So and every passenger is going to it's more than
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty because everybody's got to.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: But it's okay to make it.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: It's okay to pounds a person.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: It's okay to make it.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Like whatever, the standard is, you know, like Chevy doesn't
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: need to reinvent that. And this apply is not unique
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: to show everybody. All of the manufacturers of these half
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: ton trucks are not making half ton pickups. They are
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: making like you and I could not go in most
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: of these half ton trucks with the two of us
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: and two motorcycles. We could not carry it. You think
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: we tap out guaranteed. Yeah, Like if you and I
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: had two you know, KLR six fifties in the bed
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: and you and I both weigh has spelt two five
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: two hundred ish, like, you couldn't do it. You could
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: not carry two motorcycles and two buddies to go out
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: for the day and I have to and that just
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: doesn't work. So you got to have the payload needs
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: to be based upon the standard, which is either one
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty one hundred and seventy five pounds depending
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: on the standard per passenger five passengers plus one thousand pounds,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: which is a halftime.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: But we've seen this from every manufacturer, every manufacturer struggling.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Not with Ford.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: You don't think like Ford does a lot of things average.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: They do payload really well, like they get it if
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: you get a new raptor are seventeen hundred and fifty
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: pounds of payload, okay, five passenger, one thousand pounds of payload.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: They get it.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: So it can be done, and it is being done.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: It can be done for sure. And it looked like
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: a really challenging route Johnson Valley, right, it was Johnson Valley.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: And you know a few of us were talking about
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: that the coolest part about this. And I asked a
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: couple of the spotters and a couple of the guys
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: who pre ran. They didn't manicure the route. We've been
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: on vehicle drives before, where they they can the experience, right,
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: everything is pre planned. They know whats right. And so
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: we went out into Johnson Valley. We based out of
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: it called Laser Town, which I had never been to.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: It's a collection of containers on the middle of the
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: desert and it's it's pretty cool, right, and they've got
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: a bunch of art, little art installations, and I think
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: for King of the Hammers it's kind of party centerre.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: So we started out a Laser Town and so we
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: took both trucks up. It was called the short Bus.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: It was pretty pretty steep, getting steep and loose, and
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: then going down the backside. Every truck was on three
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: wheels going down. So that was the first little trail
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: that we did. Then what I was really impressed with
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: was the second trail. I think it was lower Johnson Valley.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: It was just it's a little shoot of a trail,
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: but when you look at it from the bottom, it
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: looks like a rock field, but there's a little track
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: that kind of interweings the big rocks and the best
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: example of what they were trying to showcase. And so
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: I was driving the Colorado Colorado zero to Bison. They're
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: really proud of the rock rails and the skid plates
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: and they.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Get all these boron steel.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really well built and really well put together.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: So we're going up. There's a shelf, probably about a
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: four foot shelf, and to get to the four foot shelf,
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: there's this big boulder that could have very easily been moved,
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: but they chose to just leave it there. It had
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: been crossed so many times it was getting unstable, so
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: it would roll around a little bit. You get up
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: over it. And the other thing is you could probably
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: have gone to the right of it. You probably could
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: have sneaked around the big boulder, but they've got their
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: spotting team and they spotted a straight over, so a
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: driver side front right over this boulder, and you drop down.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: We're on thirty fives and we dropped down the other
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: side of it, and now you're sitting on the rock
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: rail on this boulder. And you know, when we go
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: drive trucks.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: We don't do that.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: We don't do that. We were very very careful, did
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: not touch anything. And I even looked at the guy
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: and I said, I don't really don't like touching stuff
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: with the trucks, and he goes, no, no, I want you
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: to do what you're doing. That's why I put you here.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: And I was like, all right, now, what do you
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: want me to do? He goes, drive it, And so
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: I drove it, and that boulder scraped the entire length
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: of that rock rail. And then you get out and
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: you go up the ledge. And part of the reason
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: that they had it there is when you when you
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: did get the front up front end up the ledge,
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: you're now your back end is right on top of
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: that boulder, sure right, And then you go the rest
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: of the way and everything's fine, and I got out
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: and I looked at the rock rail and it was
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: like it never happened. Wow. So not only the finish
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: and the coating was incredibly durable because it didn't have
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: any really visible damage to it. It had some dirt
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: and dust on it, sure, but it didn't fleck, it
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: didn't bend.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: And that's and I you know, I looked at him.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: I was talking to him, and he's like, I purposely
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: want you guys to see how thoughtfully we've built these vehicles.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're just they're made from the beginning to be
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: like really exceptional over land vehicle. I mean again, like
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: we talked about a few minutes ago, but Factory thirty fives,
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Factory AEV wheels, Factory AEV bumpers, boron steel skid plates,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: front and rear lockers, full length rock rails.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: It's insane.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a full pack.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: It's insane.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: It's like in so insane.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: And then we're at the same the same day, you know.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: Then we swapped around a little bit and we drove
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: the twenty five hundred hd ZR two Bison and we
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: took it on the same trails as the Colorado.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: So you've got this, it's a much bigger platform. The
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: interesting thing about that truck is when you walk around
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: it on the outside, it doesn't look that big. When
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: you get into it to drive it, it feels quite
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: feels it's a big truck.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. From the sure.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: Side, it was big enough that you know, I had
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: the driver's seat, you know, jack far up as I
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: could to see over the hood.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: But then they have this great camera system on both trucks.
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: They have a front and rear camera mounted to the
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: chassis underneath, so you can you can scroll through all
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: the video feed. You can see a front view, a
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: rear view, you can see side views to see all
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: four corners, and it doesn't time out, so you could
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: be driving fifty miles an hour and the camera feed
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: is still so good. Yeah, a lot of vehicles we've
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: seen before. They've got the sea through hood whatever it
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: is and shuts off at five six months. You get
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: up early to ten miles an hour and now it
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: goes away. This will stay on until you turn it off,
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: which was great in the desert, and it was great
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: going downhill in that twenty five hundred HD because.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: I can't see you can't see anything.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and so now you can see it's like looking
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: through the front of the vehicle.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: That's cool, it's pretty neat. That's awesome.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: A couple announcements. BMW just announced the new thirteen hundred GS,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: which is exciting to see, twenty five pounds lighter, which
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: is also encouraging to so they keep getting lighter and
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: more effective.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: The thirteen twenty five pounds lighter than the twelve.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: Hundred, than the twelve to fifty that it's leaving.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: They are being a little more conservative on horsepower, which
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: I do not see is a bad thing. I think
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: it's one hundred and forty or one hundred and forty
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: seven horsepower plenty. It's plenty. It is plenty. So like
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: I'm so glad they finally like like one of the
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: manufacturers is just like not trying to pursue horsepower numbers
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: and an adventure bike because after about one hundred horsepower
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: in almost every off road condition, it's not an advantage,
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: it's it's a disadvantage. So it just ends up just
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: tearing up the rear tire that much faster. So and
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: then Triumph has some updates to their new twelve hundred.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan of the twelve hundred X bike
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: that I rode around South Africa and into Swaziland. Really
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: like that bike, so it's great to see them continuing
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: to innovate with that with that platform. But the one
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: that I really want to talk about, and we'll spend
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: a few minutes on that, is the new Toyota to
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: fifty platforms. So it's going to be available in a
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: land Cruiser two fifty and then it's going to be
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: available in the new Lexus g X. The powertrains are different,
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: the price points are also quite a bit different. When
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: you look at the two of them, you can tell
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: that they are very much built upon the same platform.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: Now I've seen the land Cruiser firsthand. Yeah, you got
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: to see the Lexus firsthand.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: I did.
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: What did you think of the land Creaser.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: I think it's going to be a great addition to
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: the marketplace. I think it's going to be a really
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: nice mid price solution.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: I think from a functionality side, it does everything that
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: you're going to want it to do.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: From a price tag starting around I think that said,
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: it starts at fifty five thousand.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: In twenty twenty three, all of a sudden, it seems cheap,
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: or it just it seems affordable. Yeah, but that's still
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: so much money.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: I think the reason it feels affordable is everything else
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: in that class is going to be It's going to
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: start seventy five eighty right, right, I mean even the
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: you know, in some ways, in many ways, it's replacing
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: the two hundred we had available in the US. The
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: two hundred started at eighty eight, right, thousand.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Dollars, And I wonder how it's going to impact or
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: if it just replaces both the two hundred and the Forerunner.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: It seems like that that would be that would be
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: something that would make sense because the only other platform
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: I mean they would build the Forerunner on the two
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: fifty platform is the fore Runner has always traditionally been
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: built on the Proto platform, which the Proto one fifty
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: is the precursor to this vehicle. That was the land
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Cruiser two was built on the Proto two the Proto
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: was built on, and then the most recent fore Runner
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: was also built on it. So I wonder if this
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: new land Cruiser is going to replace both.
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: All I can say is that these guys think about
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: this stuff a lot more than we give them credit
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: for h Yeah, there were quite a few people who
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: asked direct questions in person the Forerunner and there were
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: no answers given.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: But what I did pick up when you look at
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: historically over the past few years, when that when they
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: took the two hundred series away, they knew what they
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: were doing in the sense of they took the two
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: hundred series away knowing that they were going to have
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: the two fifty launching now right, they kind of got
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: they got beat up a lot in social media and
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: just from the consumer side, they got beat up a
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: lot by taking the two hundred series away. But there
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: was kind of this grand plan the entire time. Yeah, Toyota,
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: they always have a grand They got a grand plan.
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: I mean when they took the two hundred away, they
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: knew that they had the two fifty company. Yeah, right,
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: and so.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: They would have to already would have been into design stage. Yeah.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: So I don't think the fore Runners going away. I
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: think there's some.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: It would be really there's a plan for the fore Runner. Yeah,
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: what else is going to have.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: It would have to be, it would have to be,
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: and it would have to be such a departure. But
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: the two fifty is a departure from the two hundred.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: The two hundred is the it is the big body
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: J series, like Global Language, two.
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: Fifty is quite quite smaller than the two hundred.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: Well, in some ways it's a little bit narrower, glinches
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: here or there. Yeah, it's a little bit narrower.
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: But the feeling you get when you walk up to
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: the two fifty, the two hundred, and even the three hundred,
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: if you if you've had the chance that you've seen the.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: Three hundred, yeah've driven.
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: It's amazing and those vehicles have to me, that's kind
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: of this bulbous, larger vehicle feeling for sure, right, and
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: just the way that the sheet metals formed and everything else,
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: the two fifty feels smaller, and it feels and it
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: presents smaller when you walk up to it.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: I would agree, and the lexus is the same way.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: But it's just really important. Like some people are saying, oh,
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: it's not a land cruiser, they don't understand land cruiser
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: history if they say that, because there have been lots
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: of land cruiser twos. So these are vehicles that are
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: called land cruisers. They're a land cruiser two, or they're
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: called a proto in some markets, but they are still
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: a land Cruiser, but they are not the heavy duty
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: land Cruiser. So that is the land Cruiser three hundred,
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: which is the most robust, durable global platform that they
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: make in a passenger wagon.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: The two point fifty is.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: Saying a proto or saying a cruiser two so, but
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: that is not to take anything away from it. It
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: is deserving of the land Cruiser name. It is going
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: to be, in no doubt in my mind, it's going
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: to be an exceptional vehicle for North American overland travelers.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: And the fact that it might be available actually in
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: the mid fifties is pretty impressive. The GX is going
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: to have more power, it's going to have more luxury.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: But they also Lexus has taken overlanding series too, so
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: they're going to have this overtrail version that has got
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: thirty three inch tall tires and rear loocking differential and
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: crawl control and you know, these high clearance bumpers, and
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: so it's just awesome to see.
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: They're bringing a lot more take I love it.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: I love it, and I'm such a fan of Toyota.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: I've literally trusted my life to this brand and around
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: the world and to see them, like the director of
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: marketing for Toyota to say we're all in on overlanding.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: That is so cool to hear from a brand that
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: really has made world class overland vehicles for many decades
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: that their Toyota North America is all in on overlanding.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: Is so exciting for us, you know, And it's just
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: a really important thing to see that that vehicle is available.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: It leaves a lot of questions around the forerunner. It
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: also clearly tells us that their intention is not to
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: bring in the three hundred other than in the Lexus
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: lex six hundred variant, So we're not going to not
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: likely to see a three hundred series land cruiser here.
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: No, I don't think it's on the I don't think
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: it's on the plan for them.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: But again, it's like it would be so easy to
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: just for like someone on some troll on the internet
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: to just say, like, it's not a land cruiser, or
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: you didn't bring us the right car.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: They brought us exactly the right car.
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Granted none of us have had the chance to
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: drive it yet. Yeah, but on paper and in person
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: when you get to poke around it, it's got everything.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: It looks great.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: It looks great and it's comfortable. I got to sit
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: in it. You know, everything about it, the.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: Shop rights, stop rights, yeah, the upright seating position, and
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: the good clearance, like it's just going to be awesome.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: And the fact that it's in twenty twenty three terms,
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: it's reasonably priced. It's just so good. It's so good,
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: So props to Toyota for that. I'm really excited to
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: see how they come out, how it's optioned, and then
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: of course the chance for us to drive it the
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: other vehicles that I've been spending some time in the
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: In the new Ram Rebel twenty five hundred, they now
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: have a rear locking differential in the vehicle. This is
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: also available in a solid rear It's solid front actle,
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: solid rear axle, but the rear axle is a five
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: link coil sprung suspension system. The truck is showing its
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: age a little bit, the engine is definitely showing its
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: age a little bit, but the interior is just very
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: well done. Rams, because of AEV are really the full
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: sized truck of choice for most people. And the fact
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: that you can now get it with a factory rear
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: locker is another really important, and it does not it's
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: just a it's their ram rebel package, but that is
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: the package that you would use as the baseline for
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: building an AEV truck. Yeah, an AV prospector. But the
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: problem with prospectors in the right in the last couple
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: of years was the lack of availability of a rear locker.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: So it's not that they were incapable off road because
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: they were on. They were on forty so they were fine.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: They were fine. But a rear locking differential. It allows
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: us to go slower, it allows us to show more
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: mechanical sympathy to the vehicle, and most important in most cases,
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: it allows us to do less trail damage. There's any
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: time we can introduce less wheel spin, we're doing less
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: damage to the trails that we want to keep open
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: as a community. So being responsible and activating a rear
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: locker when you have the opportunity to, and as travelers,
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: we're oftentimes super remote, so we want to have as
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: much capability as we can get, especially in areas that
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: are really challenging.
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: So surprising how just turn on the locker. It kind
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: of settles everything down, gets rid of the drama. It
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: does you can get you can get through the obstacle
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: and then move on.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: You know this is like you said, the travel, the
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: remote travel, it's it's not you're not doing it for sport.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: No, So again that's adventure. Yeah, and you want to
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: get to the other end. You want to get your
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: family preserve the asset. Yeah, you want to get your
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: family to the other end. Quick note, because we're getting
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: to time here, Grenadier has announceder dealer network, so that's
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: exciting to see. It looks like they're going to have
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: deliveries as soon as the end of twenty twenty three.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: So those that took the risk and put their deposits down,
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: I got the vehicle reserve, they're going to get them
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: pretty soon. The vehicle has performed, has exceeded my expectations.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: In Africa.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: We have not had any failures with the vehicle. Yeah,
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: so far it's just built clearly built for Africa. It's
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: performing well. So it'll see people. It'll be cool to
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: see people finally getting them in the US.
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and the reports from well Australia has a lot
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: of delivery.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: That's right, so is South Africa and Europe's seeing deliveries.
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: So yeah, it seems like, and they've got some recent
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: updates that they did that, you know, just over this
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: at the dealership. Like anything else, they're continuing to update
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: the vehicle and offer new new options and just improve performance.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: So that's good to see that in the Grenadier. But
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: any other new vehicles or new things that you wanted
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: to chat on, I think.
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: We've covered a lot. We've got another couple of drives
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: coming up. There's a GMC drive will be on in
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: a couple of weeks. Yeah, it's been a busy year
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: for new vehicles and vehicle launches.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the golden age of overland vehicles. We
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: thought for sure that was in the nineteen nineties with
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: an eighty series land Cruiser and it's been a land
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: Rover defender. But if you were to drive a three
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: hundred land Cruiser and compare it to an eighty series, like, yeah,
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: there's so much better now.
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: The one thing I've noticed is there's a lot more
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: vehicles that I think you could be completely fine driving
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: off the lot without. You know, it used to be okay,
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: we're gonna drive that. I'm gonna get that as a
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: platform and then I'm gonna swap out, I'm going to
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: re engineer everything and I'm going to add all these
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: things to it. And now it seems like the OEMs
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: have been listening and watching, and now you can do
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: so much more with the vehicle right off the lot
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: and just saves. It saves in long run, whether it's
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: time and effort. So look at that, like look at
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: that Bison Colorado thirty five. You need thirty fives and
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: lockers front rear and in an available winch. It's just
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: literally it's like unbelievable. And it's a snappy little truck. Yeah,
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: they're cool, three hundred horsepower, fun to drive, Yeah, three
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: hundred horse power. They're sweet. They're super super sweet. The
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: only interesting thing from a usability standpoint is they had
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: to take that that thirty five inch tire mounted in
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: the bed of the truck, so they actually came up
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: with a factory mount. It's vertical in the front driver's
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: side corner of the truck, so it's going to reduce
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: your capacity a little bit. When it comes to loading
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: things into the into the bed of the truck.
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: Somebody will come out with a swing out tire or
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: av will probably release a swing out tire carrier for
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: their bumper.
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: It didn't impact driving at all. You don't even notice
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: it that it's there.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's behind the driver, so it doesn't block
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: the driver's view, right, or not much of it with the.
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: Red but from using the bed that was only No,
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: that's that's good.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good, good feedback. A lot of consumers wind
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: up doing that anyway.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: So well, things just keep getting more exciting in the
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: overland space, which is why we've announced this new overland
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: news segment of the podcast. So look for these to
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: come out about once a quarter. If you're looking for
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: the newest, most interesting stuff to come on the market
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: in the overland space. We're going to continue to provide these.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: We'd love your feedback. You can reach me Scott dot
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: a dot Brady on Instagram or you can reach out
• 59:24
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• 59:29
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• 59:31
  Speaker 2: Any questions and go to our website. So we also do.
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: We got the weekly newsletter, that's right, we do, and
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: we've got the news of the week on expedition portals.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, go to go to Expedition Portal dot com for
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: the Overland news of the week, and then you can
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: also subscribe to our newsletter. If you go to Overland
• 59:50
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• 59:53
  Speaker 1: the newsletter or we do provide a lot of these
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: these updates too. But one of the things that we
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: want to do real quick is actually bring in the
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: cornerstone of the Overland Journal podcast, the person that makes
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: all of this possible, Paula Burr. Paula has been involved
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: with the podcast since almost the very beginning, a longtime
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: friend and Overland traveler. But the reason why we're bringing
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: Paula on is one of the organizations that we really
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: believe in at Overland International is.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: The Rebel Rally.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: It is an incredible event that gives the opportunity for
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: travelers to go out and test their skills, their navigation
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: skills working as a team. They're not able to use
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: a GPS's is all paper map, compass, dead reckoning, triangulation,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: and operating usually mostly stock vehicles throughout really rugged terrain
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: in the United States West. So, Paula, congratulations on being
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: able to participate in the Rebel Rally.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm really excited.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: Well, we're excited to have you go because you have
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: had this as a bucket list item for a very
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: long time. And we were so lucky because Scott Brown
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: from JEEP reached out and said, hey, we think we've
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: got a slot in the Rebel Rally for someone to participate,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: and I said, I've got just the right person. So
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: you get to check off a bucket list item. And
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: you've also been doing a bunch of training for it.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: So what are some of the things you've been doing
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: to prepare for the event.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 5: I've been trying to do as much as possible. I
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 5: know it's not the full rally that I get to do,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 5: but I would like to be prepared as much as possible.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 5: So I've driven a couple places, and some plotting and
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 5: some road maps.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: And no, you've been doing great. Pot that's right, math
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: all the math. I remember you saying, Scott, I can't
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: math anymore right now. Yeah, but it's and you've gotten
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: a lot of help from people that are very experienced
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: with the event. Nina Barlow is a friend of both
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: of ours. She's been a big friend of the industry.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: She's been a hugely successful participant in the Rebel Rally.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: And if I remember, you went out to the Glamis
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: Dunes and you've done some training with her there. You've
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: also done training in Sedona, and then recently you've been
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: working with some of her team on some of the
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: mapping and plotting. So what are you going to be
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: driving during the event.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 4: I think it's a four y E a Jeep four
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: by E.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon four by E I
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: believe is the one that you're going to be driving.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: And what a capable vehicle for that. And Jeep has
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: been a big supporter of the Rebel Rally and I'm
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: grateful for that too. I'm seeing a lot of manufacturers
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: participate in the event, which I think is a great
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: way to empower people to get out and explore in
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: this way. It's a really important event for the industry.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: And Paul, we're so excited for you to go do
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: the Rebel Rally. What are you most looking forward to
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: in the event.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 5: I think just being outside and off the grid and
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 5: just being reliable with my partner out in the middle
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 5: of wherever we are.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you're going to be able to totally
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  Speaker 1: disconnect from work. Well, Paula, we're so excited to have
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  Speaker 1: you do the event, and we're going to get an
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  Speaker 1: update from you when the event is over, and here's
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  Speaker 1: some of the things that you've learned along the way.
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  Speaker 1: But have such an amazing journey on your way out
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  Speaker 1: to the Rebel Rally and participating in such a wonderful event. Yeah, thanks,
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  Speaker 1: and thanks for being on the podcast. Yeah, exactly, and
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: thanks for being on the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Paul.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry to turn the cameras on you, but we're
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  Speaker 1: just so excited for you to be able to go.
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  Speaker 4: I'm really grateful for this opportunity.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we are too awesome, Paul, You're welcome. We're grateful
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  Speaker 1: to have this on the podcast, and we thank you
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  Speaker 1: all for listening and we'll talk to you next time.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks everybody,