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Press Pass | Media React to Jaguars' New Hires, Share Draft Opinions from NFL Combine · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: Well, the NFL Scout in Combine in Indianapolis. J P.
• 0:03
  Speaker 1: Shadwick with the Great Charles Davis. You do it all
• 0:07
  Speaker 1: NFL on CBS, NFL Media, Serious XM Radio. You're doing
• 0:14
  Speaker 1: the Combine broadcast. I mean, yeah, you've got it all.
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  Speaker 2: How lucky am I that people will will allow me
• 0:20
  Speaker 2: to do all this type of work.
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty fortunate. Really. Yeah.
• 0:23
  Speaker 2: I know it kind of sounds trite because we're kind
• 0:25
  Speaker 2: of joking back and forth, but you know what it's
• 0:27
  Speaker 2: like in our business. If someone wants you to work,
• 0:30
  Speaker 2: consider yourself fortunate.
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then go work. Yeah, go do it. Go
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  Speaker 1: do the job. I'm not coming back.
• 0:34
  Speaker 2: You do job best you can and hope they want
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  Speaker 2: to keep you around.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, you do the fantastic work on all of them.
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: So we've got plenty to discuss around the Jaguars, of course,
• 0:43
  Speaker 1: new leadership across the board three pronged approach with Tony
• 0:48
  Speaker 1: Basselli is the executive vice president handling everything outside of
• 0:52
  Speaker 1: picking players. Well, he might be involved in that too.
• 0:55
  Speaker 1: But there's a GM in Gladstone who's thirty four. Liam
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  Speaker 1: Cohen's thirty nine years old. Youth movement is here in Jacksonville. Yeah,
• 1:02
  Speaker 1: it really is.
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  Speaker 2: And I like how you described him with a three
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  Speaker 2: pronged approach, and it certainly sounds like that's how it
• 1:07
  Speaker 2: is set up. And having Tony Basselli back involved, I
• 1:11
  Speaker 2: think it's just a home run for the Jacksonville franchise.
• 1:14
  Speaker 2: And this is something he really wants to do. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and when you see that and you hear
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  Speaker 2: that the passion that he's going to bring to this
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  Speaker 2: job because this man loves the Jaguars, he loves the organization.
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  Speaker 2: He wants to be part of a group that gets
• 1:30
  Speaker 2: them back to where things were when he was rolling
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  Speaker 2: out there. So yeah, I really like where they're going.
• 1:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know James Gladstone as well as I hope
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  Speaker 2: to down and down the road and kind of Liam
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  Speaker 2: Cohen I was able to meet last year as the
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  Speaker 2: offense coordinator of the Buccaneers, and I could not have
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  Speaker 2: been more impressed. I came away from that one going
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  Speaker 2: whoa first time I'd ever met him and spent time
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  Speaker 2: with him, and I was juiced coming out of there.
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  Speaker 1: I be interesting. See obviously he did great work in
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  Speaker 1: Tampa with Baker. Yeah, that's the idea with Trevor right, Okay,
• 2:02
  Speaker 1: work this offense around him. There's six years left in
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  Speaker 1: his contract. Yeah, Trevor's not going anywhere. We get him going.
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  Speaker 1: And that's the number one priority for this team is Trevor.
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  Speaker 2: It certainly is. And typically when you take these jobs
• 2:13
  Speaker 2: of Ben Johnson to the Chicago job, because Kayleb Williams
• 2:16
  Speaker 2: was there, so he knows what his priority is, and
• 2:19
  Speaker 2: Kayla Williams needs to know what his priority is is
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  Speaker 2: to meet Ben Johnson, you know, not just halfway, but
• 2:24
  Speaker 2: be all in with him. I would say that's the
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  Speaker 2: same thing for Trevor Lawrence. And you know, I don't
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  Speaker 2: know Trevor as well as others, right, I'd know him
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  Speaker 2: well enough that he's a very nice young man and
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  Speaker 2: his talent is you know, there's a reason he went
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  Speaker 2: number one in the draft. They didn't just like his hair. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: he could play, but he also is at that point
• 2:43
  Speaker 2: in his career where he really needs to to hit it,
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  Speaker 2: like he really needs that whatever Liam Cohen is bringing,
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  Speaker 2: whatever he's going to bring to the table, they need
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  Speaker 2: to be successful together for Trevor Lawrence to have the
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  Speaker 2: career that we're expecting him to have because it's still
• 2:59
  Speaker 2: out there for him, but you can't keep waiting for it.
• 3:02
  Speaker 1: Charles, you mentioned that you don't know James Ladstone. I
• 3:04
  Speaker 1: don't know anybody that knows. You know, it's just tough.
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  Speaker 1: That's how some of these guys I've heard, I've.
• 3:09
  Speaker 2: Heard so many good things, and they move up.
• 3:12
  Speaker 1: These organizations and you never hear them talk. You don't
• 3:14
  Speaker 1: know those guys are also they're a GM.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And and part of that is the good organizations
• 3:18
  Speaker 2: make sure that they have that one consistent voice. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think it's as as how would we say it
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  Speaker 2: like in college, where it's like there is one voice.
• 3:29
  Speaker 2: If I hear one other voice, everybody's gonna They're gonna
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  Speaker 2: be else or everyone's gonna lose. I don't think it's
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  Speaker 2: quite like that. But at the same time, you want
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  Speaker 2: a unified organization, you're gonna defer. The good ones will
• 3:42
  Speaker 2: defer to their GM, to their head coach, whoever.
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  Speaker 3: It is.
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  Speaker 2: That sort of a deal. But from everything I understand
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  Speaker 2: about him, you know he's been less needs right hand
• 3:53
  Speaker 2: for ages and has been groomed for this and has
• 3:55
  Speaker 2: absorbed it and been involved in the whole thing and
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  Speaker 2: was raised up the ladder and less spoke up for
• 4:01
  Speaker 2: him when he thought he was ready, not just hey,
• 4:03
  Speaker 2: I got a guy when he thought it was time
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  Speaker 2: he was ready to speak up for him. Is what
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  Speaker 2: I've been told on this, and let me tell you
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  Speaker 2: some Let's need and bleep those picks is maybe the
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  Speaker 2: most misunderstood chapter we've had in recent NFL history, because
• 4:19
  Speaker 2: he knew what he was doing in the short term,
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  Speaker 2: but at the same time he had a long term strategy.
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  Speaker 2: And we've had what one losing season after bleep those
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  Speaker 2: picks and everything else has just been contending or going
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  Speaker 2: to the playoffs. Come on, let need knows what he's doing.
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  Speaker 1: They're hitting all the picks that they did have remaining.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but these picks now they've used them quite well.
• 4:41
  Speaker 1: Huge. Charles Davis with us from everything he does everything
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  Speaker 1: in the NFL, including the combine this week, So give
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  Speaker 1: us the strongest combine position group. What are you most
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  Speaker 1: excited to see?
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  Speaker 2: I think you've probably heard it how many times you
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  Speaker 2: want to say it together? Defensive Yeah, d line, right,
• 5:00
  Speaker 2: that's kind of where it goes. Plenty of offensive linemen,
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  Speaker 2: a deep running back group, I believe always gonna be
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of receivers, although maybe not as sexy at
• 5:13
  Speaker 2: the top. Again, amazingly enough. Right, so you have that
• 5:20
  Speaker 2: quarterbacks not the same as last year, but you have
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  Speaker 2: two that that people are saying, Okay, they're probably gonna
• 5:26
  Speaker 2: go high for teams at need quarterbacks, and we're trying
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  Speaker 2: to fare who the third quarterback is, right, is there
• 5:31
  Speaker 2: that third guy? Well, we'll see. It remains to be seeing.
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  Speaker 2: Different teams have different flavors. This combine will help do it.
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  Speaker 2: On the defensive side of the ball, corners in safety
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  Speaker 2: is good group, but again not quite as sexy as
• 5:44
  Speaker 2: maybe we've had in the past. Linebackers good group, but
• 5:47
  Speaker 2: no one talks about linebackers have become running backs on
• 5:49
  Speaker 2: the defensive side of the ball, and then the defensive
• 5:51
  Speaker 2: front and edge rushers. I think, much more interior defensive
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  Speaker 2: line than the edge guys. Although a dual carter might
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  Speaker 2: make up for a pretty good number of people buy them.
• 6:00
  Speaker 1: So it's pretty decent. He's pretty good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah one, Yeah, he could he could go number one,
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  Speaker 2: depending on how Tennessee values things. Depending on what kind
• 6:10
  Speaker 2: of offer Tennessee might get, someone might come up to
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  Speaker 2: go get him as opposed to a quarterback. So there's
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of that that goes along with it.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, and even if he doesn't go number one,
• 6:21
  Speaker 2: he might be the best player in this draft, you know, him,
• 6:24
  Speaker 2: Travis Hunt, depend on how you want to look at it,
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  Speaker 2: but they would be vying for that. Like remember when
• 6:29
  Speaker 2: jay Len Carter was the best player in the draft
• 6:31
  Speaker 2: but got in trouble but we were here.
• 6:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, but.
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  Speaker 2: It all came down here and that led to him sliding.
• 6:38
  Speaker 2: I'm doing Joey Triboni air quote, sliding to nine.
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  Speaker 1: And look at him now, right, he's doing just fun.
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  Speaker 2: I think he's doing pretty darn but he's really good.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, just think he barely comes off the field
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  Speaker 2: at that size. I watched him in a Divisional against
• 6:53
  Speaker 2: the Rams when the Rams had that last drive that
• 6:55
  Speaker 2: could have changed the whole balance of power and on
• 6:59
  Speaker 2: third down they gets a setting. On fourth down, he
• 7:00
  Speaker 2: affects the throw and Philadelphia escapes and goes home. The
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  Speaker 2: best game that they had in the playoffs, the toughest
• 7:06
  Speaker 2: game they had was that game of the Rams.
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  Speaker 1: Love that. Charles, Who are the Jaguars picking at number five?
• 7:13
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's a great question. I know you're gonna ask
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  Speaker 2: me something like that. That's a really great question. I know.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I asked her.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I know, well, I know you have
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  Speaker 2: an answer. I don't have an answer. I think that
• 7:24
  Speaker 2: for them. You know, obviously I have no idea. But
• 7:27
  Speaker 2: where James Gladstone wants to go with this, I have
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  Speaker 2: no idea where the organization wants to go. But you're
• 7:32
  Speaker 2: looking at a group that I don't know that there's
• 7:34
  Speaker 2: anywhere you go that you don't have an opportunity to
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  Speaker 2: say he's so the trite answer is best player available. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: who's on your board? That's the best player available? Who
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  Speaker 2: do you go get? But you've got to find a
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  Speaker 2: way to get Trevor kickstarted. It's got to be someone
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  Speaker 2: who can give him something. Do you have a receiver
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  Speaker 2: that's so dynamic like a Jamar Chase that you turned
• 7:58
  Speaker 2: down the best off it's to tackle.
• 8:01
  Speaker 1: It's tough.
• 8:02
  Speaker 2: Do you think Will Campbell is that guy at LSU
• 8:05
  Speaker 2: people talk about arm length that maybe they move him
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  Speaker 2: inside other people. No, no, no, no, he'd be fine. Rashaun Slater,
• 8:11
  Speaker 2: armlength isn't that great, but boy, no one, no, one's
• 8:13
  Speaker 2: Bob Bothering Slater at left tackle. So this is these
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  Speaker 2: are the types of questions that are going to come up.
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  Speaker 1: And we just talked about this.
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  Speaker 2: But to me, to me, everything is about Trevor. But
• 8:24
  Speaker 2: I'm also having the conversation Trevor, you're coming along for
• 8:27
  Speaker 2: this right, like you're all in right because I gotta
• 8:30
  Speaker 2: have you.
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  Speaker 1: We just talked about with similar conversation with Bucky earlier.
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  Speaker 1: And Okay, maybe there's a receiver there or somebody that
• 8:39
  Speaker 1: can help score points. Yeah, but at some point to
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  Speaker 1: build the offensive line, like they've talked about, you have
• 8:44
  Speaker 1: to make picks to build the offensive line.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it does it. Talking about doesn't quite get it
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  Speaker 2: done right. And Cincinnati, the thing we have to remember
• 8:52
  Speaker 2: is when Cincinnati decided to go Jamar Chase, Joana Williams
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  Speaker 2: was there on the roster and they decided that was
• 8:59
  Speaker 2: going to work for us. Who's your left tackle right
• 9:03
  Speaker 2: now with it? Walker Little?
• 9:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so Walker Little's your left tackle right now? Will
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  Speaker 2: James Gladstone and group believe he is the left tackle
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  Speaker 2: And if so, maybe you don't have to do that.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't know if you're drafting Will Campbell and
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  Speaker 2: just automatically making him a guard, maybe because he's pretty
• 9:19
  Speaker 2: darn good. Like the Titans took Peter Scronsky at seven
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  Speaker 2: and made him a guard right away. We're not even
• 9:26
  Speaker 2: batting an eye anymore. How much money did the Panthers
• 9:28
  Speaker 2: spend last year on the two guards of a free agency,
• 9:31
  Speaker 2: Robert Hunt and Damian Yeah, a lot of money. But
• 9:35
  Speaker 2: guess what they feel comfortable with those guys now, and
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  Speaker 2: they have those big, strong people in front of their
• 9:40
  Speaker 2: short quarterback, and the short quarterback play pretty well down stretch.
• 9:44
  Speaker 2: They're hoping to continue to see that growth. But that's
• 9:47
  Speaker 2: the old Sean Peyton model. That's how he did it
• 9:50
  Speaker 2: with Drew Brees and those guys in New Orleans help
• 9:52
  Speaker 2: to have success for Drew.
• 9:54
  Speaker 1: Last thought with you to get you out of here.
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  Speaker 1: I know you're busy, been busy all day. Gladstone has
• 9:59
  Speaker 1: said it, Liam Cohen said it. This is not a
• 10:02
  Speaker 1: four win roster. Do you believe that.
• 10:05
  Speaker 2: You've seen me around your squad for the last two
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  Speaker 2: three years. I am as much surprised as anyone that
• 10:12
  Speaker 2: the last two years have gone the way they've gone.
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  Speaker 2: I really have no answer for it. I'm not close enough.
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  Speaker 2: But I just know that two years ago my broadcast
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  Speaker 2: crew we were with Jacksonville a decent amount because we
• 10:26
  Speaker 2: were expecting yeah, and it didn't happen. And then last
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  Speaker 2: year justle was we didn't see them, We didn't see it.
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  Speaker 2: But I thought last year was a chance for a
• 10:37
  Speaker 2: bounce back. Yere, it just didn't happen. There's talent there,
• 10:42
  Speaker 2: but you know how it goes to when things start
• 10:44
  Speaker 2: to go south and and the losing kicks in, sometimes
• 10:47
  Speaker 2: it's really hard to dig out of it, depending on
• 10:50
  Speaker 2: who your leadership is, how people handle things. Do people
• 10:53
  Speaker 2: believe the coach is going to be around, because that's
• 10:56
  Speaker 2: a big one because once a team Blavez coach isn't
• 10:58
  Speaker 2: going to be around. Good luck with that.
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: It's hard to get that back.
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  Speaker 2: And I think I got the vibe that they thought
• 11:05
  Speaker 2: he was gone way earlier than it ever happened. So
• 11:08
  Speaker 2: you weren't getting anything out of them. You weren't getting
• 11:10
  Speaker 2: them back last right.
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  Speaker 1: You see the NFLPA rankings, they they've said that pretty
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  Speaker 1: much in the coaching part of it.
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  Speaker 2: Really, yeah, I didn't see that.
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  Speaker 1: Right it came out today, I think, oh wow.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, hey, those things can be valuable if
• 11:22
  Speaker 2: you go and take a look at as an organization,
• 11:24
  Speaker 2: but fresh start yet again. Wish everyone luck there because
• 11:28
  Speaker 2: I don't mind coming to see the Jacksonville Jaguars. That's
• 11:30
  Speaker 2: an easy drive for me. Plus, you know, I like
• 11:34
  Speaker 2: the people, I like the organization. It'd be a lot
• 11:36
  Speaker 2: of fun to see them back playing. Well.
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  Speaker 1: It's always a lot of fun to spend time with you. Charles.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, sir. Great to see you.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for you. I have a great day. I know
• 11:44
  Speaker 1: you're worn out today. You're the star of the show that.
• 11:47
  Speaker 2: Could be out somewhere breaking rocks, you know, right, Yeah,
• 11:51
  Speaker 2: you and I are sitting here talking ball. How bad
• 11:53
  Speaker 2: any air conditioning? Right? Because anyone who's watching us, they're like,
• 11:56
  Speaker 2: oh really, it's that tough. And believe me, folks, we understand.
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: We work in the toy department. We get it.
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  Speaker 1: Charles Davis, NFL on CBS, NFL Media. You'll see when
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  Speaker 1: the Combine covers this week, sirius XM Radio. And that's
• 12:11
  Speaker 1: it from the Combine at Indy JP Shadwick with Mark Cross,
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  Speaker 1: NFL media analysts. Good to see you again.
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  Speaker 4: Good to be seeing, good to be back for I
• 12:20
  Speaker 4: don't know, twenty seven to twenty eight of these, I don't,
• 12:22
  Speaker 4: I lose track, it's that many. Yeah, I think my
• 12:24
  Speaker 4: first one was in nineteen ninety seven and a little
• 12:27
  Speaker 4: different times, well, completely different, I mean is back then
• 12:31
  Speaker 4: we just kind of and get our work done, get
• 12:32
  Speaker 4: out of here. Now it's just all the media and
• 12:35
  Speaker 4: the setups and fans here and all of that.
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: And it's going to keep getting worse too. Yeah, and
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: hopefully it stays in Indy. That's always kind of the talk.
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  Speaker 1: Is going to get sold somewhere else and the highest bidder.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, this is the perfect It is there, it really is,
• 12:49
  Speaker 4: and of course they want to move it, generate more.
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  Speaker 4: But for the working people, for everybody, this is the spot,
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  Speaker 4: you know.
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  Speaker 1: And there's an argument to be made that the working
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: part of it, the scouting part of it, but hey,
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: you know you could do a lot GPS wise now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, this is all the scouting and the secondary This
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  Speaker 4: is all media that now built around some guys running
• 13:10
  Speaker 4: around on the field.
• 13:11
  Speaker 1: Let's cuss your thoughts on the Jaguars organization. Mister Kahn,
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  Speaker 1: the Jags owner, has made more changes coaching. GM are
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  Speaker 1: out and now here's Liam Cohen in from Tampa Bay.
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  Speaker 1: Here's James Gladstone, a thirty four year old general manager,
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  Speaker 1: and here's Tony Boselli as the executive vice president of
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  Speaker 1: football operations. Over your years in personnel departments and such,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure you've seen a number of different setups. How
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: does this one compare and why could this be the
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  Speaker 1: one that works? Could?
• 13:43
  Speaker 4: Could it could be the one that works? Well, let's
• 13:45
  Speaker 4: say let's start with that. Then youth brings about and
• 13:48
  Speaker 4: I'm all for youth. I started in the in the
• 13:51
  Speaker 4: NFL young, I was twenty three years old, became a
• 13:53
  Speaker 4: director of twenty eight, So youth, I'm all for that.
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  Speaker 4: So this could be you know, new fresh ideas, guys
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  Speaker 4: that have been at winning organizations and working together with
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  Speaker 4: the same vision and goal. That's why it could work
• 14:05
  Speaker 4: because it seems as if, okay, these two young guys
• 14:08
  Speaker 4: know the pressures on, know how to work together to
• 14:11
  Speaker 4: build consistency. What I think that's really what the Jacksonville
• 14:15
  Speaker 4: is looking for is some sort of consistency and not
• 14:18
  Speaker 4: every couple of years we have change.
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: How it's been really for the last thirteen years especially,
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: and that's got to stop at some point. What do
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: you like about Liam Cohen as an offensive mind.
• 14:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he did a lot of good stuff with Bake.
• 14:33
  Speaker 4: I mean when you watch you know, you can watch
• 14:34
  Speaker 4: certain offenses in the league and it's quarterback driven, and
• 14:37
  Speaker 4: it's a lot because what the quarterback does to make
• 14:39
  Speaker 4: the offense great. But when I watched Tampa, he did
• 14:42
  Speaker 4: a lot of neat stuff and you're and and put
• 14:44
  Speaker 4: Baker in positions to succeed and uh so just a
• 14:48
  Speaker 4: lot of I just they were fun. They were fun
• 14:50
  Speaker 4: to watch the stuff he did and always seems as
• 14:52
  Speaker 4: if he had an answer to what the defense was doing.
• 14:55
  Speaker 4: So they definitely were every every week watching Tampa's like, okay,
• 14:59
  Speaker 4: we're going to see some points and going to see
• 15:01
  Speaker 4: something innovative here.
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: I'm excited to see what the next step is for
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence. I think everybody is, you know, because he
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: obviously was the number one pick and was one of
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: the highest read prospects in a long time and has
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: the talent to do a lot of things, just hasn't
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: been able to live up to that. Year over year.
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: It was ascending a little bit and then it's gone
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: away and now another change on offense. But he's under
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: contract for six more years. He's gonna be a Jaguar, right,
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: He's getting his money. How do you make the most
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: out of Trevor? And what are your thoughts on the quarterback?
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's really he comes down to when
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: I watched Trevor, it's it's him, you know. I mean,
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: there's talent around him. He has to just iron out
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: the inconsistencies. I mean, that's going to be the word
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: of the day, well not the word of the day,
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: but our of our discussion here is just the inconsistencies
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: of the Jags organization and the inconsistencies of Trevor Lawrence
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: where you see the flash. And I think that's one
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: thing that people missed in the evaluation draft, evaluation process
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: of Trevor. And I was kind of on a boat
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: of my own where I did not think he was
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: this generational prospect and there were major concerns that I had,
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: and that the concerns I've seen them with him there.
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: It's just you've guys seen him spray balls and you've
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: seen him not see people, and it's it's that consistency
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: with the vision, the accuracy, the playmaking, and crucial situations
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: that he has to get to and of course his
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: playmaking group and the old line everybody has to get.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: Better with that.
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: But I think the more Liam can get out of Trevor,
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: then everything else will flow from that.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: You know. I've also seen a lot of drop passes
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: yeah for his receivers too.
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: Brian Thomas not throwing other people, yeah, and he didn't
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: really do that this year.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: That's the other part of this thing. All the balls
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: to Brian Thomas, Caper mac Jones, right, So at some
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: point they've got to get together. And that's a great
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: opportunity for a quarterback to get on track when you
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: have a guy like Brian Thomas junior. And the way
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: he ascended is the season went on spectacular.
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I during the draft process, I had Marvin one,
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: and then I had Ryan and and Elk and the
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: league right right right behind neck and neck. When I
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: watched LSU tape is like you go back and forth,
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: like which one of these guys I like better, so
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: that it's not a surprise at all that Brian Thomas
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: and then just watching him weekend and week out, like, man,
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: this guy is fantastic, as you guys see, and ain't
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: getting involved more. You know those jet sweeps you ran like,
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: he didn't do that stuff at Lshu. That was malite
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: that did all that stuff. So it even opened up
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: more of his bag of what he could do. And
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: I think there's even more ascension for him and more
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: talent that he's just going to explode. Schaguars defense was
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: right near the bottom in most every metric last year
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: and they've made changes there certainly, and they can make
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: a whole lot more on the personnel side, like the
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: middle of the defense, the D line, there was inconsistent
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: linebacker play.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: And the safety play. When you're bad up the middle,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: it's just tough to be a good defense.
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, there's just a lot of holes there, not
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: just up the middle, but even on the edges and
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: the consistent pressure and yeah, it was just again, you
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: gotta get better players in there. You gotta draft better,
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: you gotta make better free signings. And it then from that,
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: the it'll it'll grow. You hope, it'll be more stable
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: and you'll get better. And so there is hope. There
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: is hope because you know that Eagles d that what
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: they've done and put together over a year. You know
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: they were struggling last year and then they put it
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: together and had a fantastic year. So it seems as
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: if their pieces are there for the Jags to make
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: a run, and especially with that division. But it just
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: has to they have to make the right decisions and
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: have some consistencies.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: Trayvon Walker had ten sax agon last year. Where were
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: you originally on that number one overall pick being Trayvon
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: instead of Hutchinson and what have you? What do you
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: like or not like about Trayvon's definitely was on the
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: hutch train on that one. A lot of people.
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think maybe the Jags might have been the
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: only ones not But you know, I think Trayvon has
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: been good and the numbers kind of may not. I don't,
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: but I don't watch them, and so you know, he's
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: he's really up there just wrecking Havoc all the time.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: You know, there's those flashes and he makes some good
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: plays here and there. But as far as okay, every
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: game we have to account for treybon Walker and double
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: him and chip him and all that, I still don't
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: see that. I like the energy, I like the toughness,
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: I like, you know, the second effort and all that.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Stuff.
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: But as far as an elite guy, I still don't
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: see that in him.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a pure edge pass rusher is not him and
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: I'd hate to have to block him all game because
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: he's a big, physical.
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: Yah h yeah, you love that and uh, now, just
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: get some other pieces so that he doesn't have to
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: be that that guy.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about some of these other pieces. NFL Draft
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: coming up. Jaguars have the fifth pick. Uh do you do.
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: Mock drafts like No I's three thousand mock draft. That's
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: one of the great the things we talked about things
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: changing back in the day was you know, one mock
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: draft the USA today had theirs and then uh Bushbomb,
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: there was like a couple and now I was like, okay,
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: here's more. Where now there's I mean, everybody has a
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: mock saying how many.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Money you can do a mock draft for twenty six draft?
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Right now. I don't know how people do that. I don't.
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: It's you picked this one seven round mock drafts and stuff.
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: It's it's amazing.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: What I was gonna ask you, who the Jags picking
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: it five or have you really even thought, yeah, I
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: don't the best player they should pick the pick the
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: best player available.
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: Well, you just have to look at the landscape. Okay,
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: they're not picking a running back. Uh, they're not going
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: to pick They're not going to pick a receiver because
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: I don't there. They've got a bunch there. And and then okay,
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: do we need O line as an O lineman that
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: worth that?
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: Okay, corners, a great group of corners need some help
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: there as you mentioned, Uh, some some intriguing D line
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: type of players. So you know, whoever falls there with
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: the best value, the BET's who, that's who they should
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: take the new era here with the Jags as far
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: as take a great football player.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Love it. What's the rest of your day? Look like?
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: This was my last interview?
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: I think so yeah, this is my last interview and
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: got a meeting with the network and maybe hit happy hour.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I might see you there, may maybe not.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Who knows? Mark, thanks a lot man. Mark cross Winning
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: is from NFL Media Here at the Combine from the
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: NFL Scouting Combine and Indianapolis JP Shadwick with Mike Tannenbaum,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: former Jets GM and front office insider for ESPN. Great
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: to see you, How are you good? To be with you. JP. Yeah,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: busy day for you, busy week here at the NFL
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Scouting Combine. Busy a couple months for the Jacksonville Jaguars
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: yet again, another offseason of change and really a three
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: prong front office now head coach, the GM, and EVP
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: of football operations in Boselli. Is that is that the
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: right way to go about it? I mean, there's different
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: ways to go about it and have winning results, but
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: this is one it feels like that mister conn has
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: not tried yet. Yeah.
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: Actually, Irockily, I've been part of two different structures. I
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: was the GM of the Jets. I was Executive VP
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: of for operations for the Dolphins, and there's pros and
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: cons to both. I think Tony Bocelli will do a
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: great job. These jobs have become much more vast, much
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: more complicated when you think about sports performance data, things
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: like that, analytics, So there's a lot to the job.
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: You know, the salary cap is now two hundred and
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: seventy five million dollars, having somebody on top of that
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: all the time, not to say that they had it
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: in the past, but I could see, you know, league wide,
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: if we're sitting here three to five years, JP that
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: more teams would be doing it right.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: James Gladstone, thirty four years of age, director of Scouting
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Strategy for the Rams under less snead there for nine years,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: kind of worked his way up in that organization. What
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: do you know about James? I mean, because it's not
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: like everybody, He's not a household name.
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you know, to be I don't know a
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: lot about him, but you know, to be with an
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: organization for nine years and move up, that says a
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: lot about him. Obviously, coming from an organization that has
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: a lot of success and more fundamentally, more so than
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: what anybody else thinks, Like Liam Conan had been with
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: him in the trenches, so obviously there must be a
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: lot of trust there.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Right. What's the the biggest roadblock something ahead that might
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: trip up a young GM and his first opportunity. Yeah.
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: I ran it to a young GM this morning and
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: we had a very similar conversation. I was the assistant
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: GM of the New York Jets for five years, and
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: when I became the GM, I had no idea what
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: I was getting myself into. So I can't even imagine
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: the guys that have to actually go to a new organization.
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: You just unless you sit in the sea, it's hard
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: to understand. But five things could come up about you know,
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: the West Coast scout doesn't like his title, or you
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: know the budget was X but it's going to be
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: why and your best player's you know, wife is pissed about,
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: you know, not having the right parking spot, and you
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: know you have to do a one on one with
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: you know, the in house media people, and the owner
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: wants to know what's going on today, and you know
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: that's before nine am, like so, and you want to
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: come in and watch film and start building your strategy.
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: And you know two people in your building are leaving unexpectedly,
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: and that's just running an organization.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: What's wrong with the in house media people? Come on, Mike,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: what are we talking about here? Come on, man, of course,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Mike danim on from ESPN Liam Cohen, and I guess
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: it's a pretty good sign when a head coach now
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: but an assistant before had been to a college team,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: went to a pro team, went back to the same
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: college team, same head coach, and then went back to
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: the same pro team again. In the Rams, it means
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: that he kind of left things in a right spot.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: If he's leaving an organization. Going back twice, what is
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: your understanding of how Cohen goes about his business on
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: a day to day basis.
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, look, as a umask, I have a big
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: Lion Cone fan. You are so uh Look, I think
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: at the end of the day, you could look at
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: what they did on the offense last year in Tampa.
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: They were tough, they ran the ball, Baker Mayfield got better,
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: and I'm sure you know, from an ownership perspective, they're saying, Hey,
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: you know Trevor Lawrence, as you know, we could argue
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: has he been a B B minus? He hasn't been
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: what everyone thinks and hopes he can be. And I'm
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: sure a lot of the lens of like, hey, look
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: at what Lee and Cohne did with Baker Mayfield, Imagine
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: what he could do with Trevor Lawrence.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: You know. And a lot of that, though, was injury induced.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: In Tampa last year, they had to shift to the
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: running game and figure it out. Wide receivers are heard,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: how do they adjust? And obviously it worked out well.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: But on Trevor's part of it, he's been injured a
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: lot too. He hasn't been on the field. Some of
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: that is his own doing with head first diving, and
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: you got to coach him a little, you know, maybe
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: from himself a little bit. A lot of that's the
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: offensive line. There's a lot to be built on the
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: offense here in Jacksonville. Where would you begin if you're
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: crafting it around Trevor the holes on Jacksonville's offense.
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's easy. It's it's upfront. My first draft is GM.
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: We drafted to Berkershaw, Ferguson, Nick Mangold, and they were
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: foundational players for the next decade. And you know, you
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: show me a good offensive line' let'll show you good offense.
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: You know, we could talk about Jalen Hurts and how
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: he was a second round pick. It all starts upfront
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: with them, with Jordan Malatta and company. So you know,
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: to me, it would be the offensive line. The offensive line.
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: The offensive line. I thought, you know, Brian Thomas, good player.
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: You know they have some your weapons there. But until
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: they get the offensive line solid fide, none of that's
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: gonna matter.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: You know, we've been talking about different players at number five. Oh,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: could it be the guy from Colorado? Could it be
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: the defensive tackle all this, But if you're gonna build
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: the offensive line, you gotta just build it, you know,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: no matter. At some point you've got to start picking
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: these guys early in drafts.
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the wild Campbell's of the world and the
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: Banks from Texas, like you know, Josh Simmons from Ohio say,
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: I think some people will have him in that conversation.
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: But you get a building block up front. That's a
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: great place to start. You know, you could look at
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: what if there was a similarity to the Chargers, you
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: know they had Herbert Jacksonville has Lawrence Harbrough comes in.
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: You know, they take all which was a pretty you know,
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: you can kind of see that coming. And you know,
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: Joe All should be a long time player for them.
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: And likewise, with Lie and Cohen coming in, you know,
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: go get, go, get you know, a foundational offensive lineman.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: All right, give us an AFC South picture of front
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: office stability right now, Let's go through the teams, if
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: you will, Uh, because Arie and Houston and what they've
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: built down there seems to be pretty good.
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they hit a grand slam when you think about
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: Damico Ryans and look CJ. Stroud, maybe took a little
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: bit of step back, but they should have tremendous stability
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: between you know, Nick and Dimico for years to come.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Indy they got questions at quarterback and Chris Ballor has
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: been around here for a little bit. Now where's what's
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: the status in Indie?
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the big question is who's competing with
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: Anthony Richardson. You know, are you bringing in Gardner Minshew
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: or are you trying to go out and get Matthew
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: Stafford or Kirk Cousins Because you know, the quarterback position,
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: you know, it doesn't develop in a straight line, but
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: it's really important that you know, at the end of
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: the day, like they get winning quarterback play.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: In Tennessee, a new world, Chad Brinker has the final
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: say according to the owner, and Mike Borganzi, there's the
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: GM and a couple of layers there.
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: In Nashville, it all comes down to Will Levis.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: You know how well he plays.
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: And I think if I'm you know, Tennessee, I'm the
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: juxtaposition of cam Wards Door Sanders against what Will loves
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: could be.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: And then in Jacksonville, of course we know the new
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: world here thirty third teams going pretty well you guys
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: are involved in the Jets search.
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that was a great opportunity for us. Learned
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: a lot and hopefully, you know, we help them make
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: some really good decisions.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Final thought with you here, who will the Jaguars pick
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: at number five?
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll go back to your the best offensive lineman available,
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: you know, maybe that's Will Campbell. You know, again, get
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: a foundational offensive lineman that'll make everything better.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Thanks, Mike, appreciate you, Thank you, appreciate Youake Tannonbaum, front
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: office insider with ESPN from the NFL scouting Combine and
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Indianapolis j P Shadwick with Greg co Sell of NFL
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Films and NFL matchup. Always a pleasure. I feel like
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Combine is the place where we always get together.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: I know, I feel like the super Bowl just happened yesterday.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: We'll just wait until they move that back.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: Away, I know. God, yeah, I think the super Bowl
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: will be July fourth soon.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Right right right into the off season for our.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: Memorial Day weekend, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Amazing change in Jacksonville. We've heard that before. Yeah, it's
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: happened a good bit over the last fifteen years or so.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: But now the three headed front office here, Liam Cohen,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: the head coach, James Gladstone, the GM. Tony Bisselli is
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: in there as the EVP.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: You remember when I interviewed Tony Bisselli and Mark Brunell
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: as players years and years ago in Jacksonville, and Jimmy
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: Smith and Keenan McCardell and Jeff Lagerman. Yeah, us, yeah, yeah,
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: when I was dead this guy, Hey, you know, Tony Bisselli.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: I thought, you know, it's obviously he didn't make the
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: Hall of Fame, but I always thought that Tony Bisselli
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: and I don't fancy myself an offensive line guru, but
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: I thought he was the best left tackle that i'd seen,
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: you know, since Anthony Munos. And it's just a shame
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: that his career was cut short. He was for a
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: guy who was that big. It looked like his waist
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: was like thirty one inches, you know, I mean, it
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: was unbelievable. It still looks that way.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Well for a while, doesn't. Okay, another story. Did you
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: hear he blocked Bruce Smith in a game. We've heard that.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: A lot, you know what, I'm familiar with that, ok Yeah,
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: we heard right right right right every week? See the
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: thing is I've been around long enough to have actually
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: seen that.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, funny. All right, so let's get into Liam Cohen,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: and you know, we know the how it all kind
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: of went down, the process of the interviews, that's all
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: in the rear view. Now he's here his impact last
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: year in Tampa Bay with that offense in Baker Mayfield.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: They had some injuries last year receiver and they started.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: To run the football they did, and well.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: So that helps obviously the quarterback a good bit. What
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: stood out the most about their offense and Liam and
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: what he put in there.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: Well, it's funny you say the run game because obviously
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: most people know that he cut his teeth a bit
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: with the Rams. He actually was at Kentucky the year
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: that Will Levis had a terrific season at Kentucky. So
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: but what struck me about the Bucks run game last
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: year was how multiple it was. Because you know, everybody assumes, hey,
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: he was with the Rams, so it's the zone run game,
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: you know, the McVeigh run game. But I thought they
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: did a really really good job with the multiplicity of
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: the run game and the way they got to base run.
• 31:17
  Speaker 6: See.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: The main thing in the run game there's not a
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: thousand run concepts, so it's really how you get to them.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: It's funny. I had this conversation with a coach this
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: morning because and I even asked him. I said, you know,
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: you hear people say so and so it's a really
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: good run game. Coach, like, what does that mean? You
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: know you're a defensive guy, what does that mean? And
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: you know, he talked about how teams get to runs, formations, motions,
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: you know, misdirection looks, you know, but the then when
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: the run happens, Like I said, there's not a thousand
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: of them.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: There's only a few holes there. We got to hit
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: one of them.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, there's their zone concepts, there's gap scheme concepts,
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: there's you know, duo, there's you know, there's not there's
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: not so many concepts. So it's how you get to them.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: Do you use a lot of motion? Do you get
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: to them in semi unconventional ways? You know? And I
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: thought Liam Cohen did a really really good job of
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: that last year because the reality is Bucky Irving is
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: one hundred ninety five pounds, so you know, you have
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: to find ways where you're not just running him up
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: into the line of scrimmage, you know, So I just
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: thought that, you know, most people probably think of Liam
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: Cohen pass game, Rams McVeigh, what he did with Will Levis.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm sure that's all been documented, you know,
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: in Jacksonville. But you know, the run game I found
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: to be really fascinating, and.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Then Baker off the run game.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's you know, the play action element, which you know,
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: I'm a believer, you know again, you know, maybe it's
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: my personal point of view, but I'm a believer in
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: under center play action. And the reason I am is
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: because it takes longer to get to the mesh point.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: Because what are you trying to do with play action.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: You're trying to cause indecision and conflict for players is
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: on defense that have both a run and a pass responsibility.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: So the longer that you can create that indecision and conflict,
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: to me, is better. Whereas shotgun runs. I'm not saying
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: you should never have a shotgun run game, but it's
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: so quick, it's so quick sense there's there's almost really
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: no indecision and conflict that's presented to those players. So
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: I'm a big believer in the under center what I
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: call the conventional play action pass game, and I think
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: you'll see that Greg.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Co Sell with U NFL Films. Trevor Lawrence has six
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: years left on his.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: Contract, which I had six years left on my contract.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's here, He's gonna be here.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: He's the Oh no, he's the quarterback.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, what did you what what stood out the
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: most during the pre draft process about him? That you remember,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: where has he met some of those criteria and where
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: has he lacked? And you know what's.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: I can remember the pre draft process very well because
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: it was not his fault that people started saying he's
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: a generational player. I would never use that term about
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: anybody that's never played in the NFL. That's not his fault.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Clearly the best quarterback of that draft.
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: Though I'm trying to remember who was in that draft.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Would have been look it up because we were just
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: thinking about number one.
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: Well, the point is is there were a couple of
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: things I thought that he needed to clearly work on
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: when he got to the next level. He's a big,
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: long kid, so he's a strider, okay, and guys who
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: were striders, I always think about how they're going to
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: function in squeezed pockets, which you see far more of
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: in the NFL than in college. I actually remember talking
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: to a coach who was in the NFL at the
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: time he's not now, who had done you know, he
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: was a quarterback coach, so he had done all the quarterbacks,
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: and he had said that there was so much in
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: the Clemson offense that was just not really NFL stuff
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: that it was hard in some ways to really get
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: a feel for some of the things you knew he
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: would have to do in the league. He didn't make
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: many throws at Clemson where there were squeeze pockets. Now,
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: I watched probably ten games his last year, and I
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: think I even watched some of his tape the year
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: before because I'm trying to find those plays. And because
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: he's such a strider, there were times I thought that
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: the few times that he did face squeeze pockets, that
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: he would hurry himself because he's a strider. You know,
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: he's not the kind of guy. He's not compact, and
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: he needs space, so he would hurry himself and that
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: would lead to a little bit of inaccuracy, less than
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: precise ball location. So I always thought that that was
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: something that I'd be very curious to see in the NFL.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: And I think he has a good arm. But I
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: remember talking to a coach who coached him, he was
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: on staff in Jacksonville, and he said, you know, he's
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: got a good arm, but he does not have a
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: big arm. And I remember saying that a couple of
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: years ago, and of course on social media people acted
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: like I didn't know anything, and I felt like saying, yeah,
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: a guy who coached told me that. So I didn't
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: say that, but I mean, you know that's you know
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: how that goes, you know, yeah, no, no, no, So,
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: so I mean he's got he can you know. The
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: other the other phrase I love and which means nothing
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: to me, is well he can make all the throws. Well,
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: that's not necessarily true. I'm not saying this about Trevor,
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: but you know people say that about guys. Did you
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: ever notice they say that about guys who can't make
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: all the throws? You never hear someone say Matthew Stafford
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: can make all the throws. Because Matthew Stafford can make
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: all the it's like not even a question. It is
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: what it is. It's the guys that can't make all
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: all the throat. Right, it's the guys that have arms
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: that are not quite there that people say, well, he
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: can make all the throat. Well, no he can't, or
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: you wouldn't have to say that, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Other quarterbacks in that draft class, by the way, Zach Wilson,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Trey Lance right, justin fields.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: He was the best quarterback in the draft class. Mac Jones. Yeah,
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: he was the best quarterback in the draft class. And
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure there was a question. I mean, Zach
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: Wilson probably had a stronger arm, but he wasn't as
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: good a quarterback prospect overall.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Greg go Sell with us NFL Films Brian Thomas Jr.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: As the season went along, loved him. They didn't throw
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: him the football the first time.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: Well, it's funny because you know what I said in
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: my evaluation of him. I said, because obviously played with
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: Malik Neighbors, who was the bigger prospect, and obviously Mylik
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: Neighbors turned out to be very good as well. But
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: I said that Brian Thomas would be an as sending
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: player and he'd get better as he played in the league.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: So that's the way I felt watching his tape, and
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: obviously it worked out that way, you know. And he
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: worked with TJ. Houschman Za. I don't know if you
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: knew that. Yeah, And I know TJ well, and we
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: talked about him last year at the Combine. And TJ,
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: who I respect greatly, obviously knows more about the receiver
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: position than I do. He said to me, said, you
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: watch Brian Thomas. I'm working with him. This kid's going
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: to be special. So when he told me that, you know,
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: that even raised my belief that, you know, this kid's
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: going to be a really good pro quickly.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: A lot of his touches came from mac Jones at
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: the end of the sea. Yeah, he's got to get
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: on the same page.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: For well, you know that's got an off season now
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: for that with a new coach. I mean, you know,
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: that's the way it.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Works, how I mean, this is going to be the
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: third offense in the NFL for Trevor. Yeah.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: And and and by the way, that's an issue, you know,
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: because every time you have to learn a new offense,
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: it's like learning a new language. I mean, I've had
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: coaches tell me that, you know, you know, you come
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: in a coach coaches, he's teaching you French. If that
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: coach gets fired the next year, you have to learn Spanish.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: Then if he gets fired the next year, you got
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: to learn German. And you know, people just assume that
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: that stuff's easy because the concepts are not necessarily totally different.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: You know, in some cases they're the same, but the
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: presentation of them is totally different.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: You got to establish This is what they're establishing now, right,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: all the coaches just fired. They're having staff meetings here
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: at the Combined or to work.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: Who's who's the o C Grant Yudinsky was with the
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: younger right twenty nine? Yeah, you all right, you know,
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: and I have no problem. I mean, well, let me
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: put it this way. Who's the quarterback coach? You know?
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Whipple? Spencer Whipple?
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: Was he the son of Mark Whipple, the old I believe,
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: so okay, yeah, he might be young too.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: They are all young.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: It'll be interesting to see how that works, you know,
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: we'll see how that all works out.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it'll be fascinating to see. Let's go through
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: the AFC South quarterback situations quickly before we get out of.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: Here, and there was only one that's really good Houston, right, Yeah,
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: Jacksonville's not really good. No, I mean of the other teams. Okay, yeah,
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: you were saying the AFC. We just finished talking. I
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: assume we finished talking Jacksonville. So when you said AFC South,
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: I thought you meant Indy, Tennessee, and Houston.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Those are the teams in the South. Yeah, start with Houston.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and they got out. They got a good quarterback.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: I think he went through a little bit of a
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: learning process this year and figuring some things out, and
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: I think he will figure it out. He had to
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: play this year in his second year out of more
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: squeeze pockets than he did as a rookie, and he
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: started to play a little fast at times, and he
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: missed some routine throws which we never saw him miss
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: as a rookie. So I think he you know, he
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: went through a learning that's the nature of the NFL.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: I mean it's not easy. So but he's a good player.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: He's not going to be a bad player.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: Here in Indye news this week that there's gonna be
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: a competition with Anthony Richardson, and I mean the competition
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: so far has been Richardson, is he going to be
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: on the field or not. He's been banged up, he's
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: been inconsistent when he's been out there. What's your fee
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: or your feel on Richardson's future.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: I'll answer it this way. I remember a number of
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: years ago at a Super Bowl having a great conversation
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: with Troy Aikman, and he said something that totally resonated
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: with me. And I've said it many times through the
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: years because it is one hundred percent true. And that
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: happens a lot. You know, someone a coach or a
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: player like Troy, who's obviously very smart, says something and
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: as soon as they say it, it's like, yeah, that's right,
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: but they say it in a way where it just,
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: you know, resonates in your brain til you've had that,
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: it just resonates differently. Yes, And he said to me,
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: you can do everything right as a quarterback, but if
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: you can't throw it where you want to, you've got nothing.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: And unfortunately Anthony Richardson can't really throw it where he
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: wants to do. And I'm not trying to be funny, no,
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: he you know, same thing in Florida. Yeah, I mean
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: he just can't really throw it where he wants to
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: with enough consistency and regularity and obviously he's got a
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: running element, and the thought was that that could help
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: him as he grows into being a better quarterback.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: But he just.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: Misses too many throws. I mean, when you design plays
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: and call plays and put it to game plan together
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: and you feel like, hey, we've got a really good
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: approach against this defense, We've got really good route concepts
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: against what we know we're going to face from such
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: and such a defense, and your quarterback just misses routine throws.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: It's just too hard. And I don't know if that
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: can be fixed. Maybe it can, maybe. I mean, I'm
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: not a coach, I'm not with him every day, but
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: right now, you know you'd see him. You know, I
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: think I've watched every game he's played in the in
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: the league, and I think his last year at Florida,
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: I watched nine or ten of his games, and you know,
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: he'll make some throws that are truly wow throws. You
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: kind of go, oh my god, that's just a ridiculously
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: good ball. And that happens, you know, once every three weeks,
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: and it's just it's just not good enough. I mean,
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: and I'm look, Shane, I'm not saying anything out of
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: school here. Shane Steichen's pretty much said that it's not
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: good enough. That's why there's a quarterback on Petiuly, Yes,
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: it's not good enough.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: It's where they are. Yeah, that's where they are in
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Tennessee right now too, Will Levis.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: And that's I mean, I think it's it's kind of unspoken,
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: but we all know that. I don't think Brian Callahan
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: thinks Levis is their answer. So they have the first
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: pick in the draft. You know, this is the beginning
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: of the process. We'll see do they keep it. If
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: they keep it, do they draft a quarterback? If they do,
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: they trade it, and who knows. We don't know the
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: answer to that, but I don't think I think they've
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: made it kind of clear without you know, putting up
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: a big sign that they preferred not Will Levitch to
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: be the starter.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Week one final thought with you Jaguars at number five,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: who's the pick?
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know who the pick is. Come on,
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: we gotta now, we gotta start walking through the roster.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: Well, we got all day. We say, you're all day.
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think they probably would look at corner,
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: you know, I don't know, you know, I don't know,
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: you know, where Travis Hunter gets drafted, and I like
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: Travis Hunter is a corner. I don't think he's the
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: level of prospect, for instance of Patrick's Ertan, but I
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: think he's a good corner prospect. I'm trying to think
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: of that.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: Rodre are you on defensive tackles, Mason Graham, they need
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: some girl in the middle.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: I had this conversation with his scout the other morning.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: We had breakfast, and he's been a personnel director, college
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: pro he's been in the twenty six years, and we
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: had a great conversation about Mason Graham. Because I like
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: Mason Graham, but I don't love Mason Graham. And I
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: can and you know me well enough to know I
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: always have a reason. Doesn't mean, hey, I can be wrong,
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: you know, but I don't just say, oh, I don't
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: like a guy. There's a reason. Think about the best
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: d tackles in the NFL. They all have a power
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: element to their game. Mason Graham does not have a
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: higher level power element to his game. He's so much
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: fun to watch because he's a movement guy. He's quick,
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: he's explosive, he's he almost plays like a running back.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: But there's not a big time power element to his game. Now,
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: he's a young kid. I hear, he's a great kid.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna sit here and say that in three
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: years he's not gonna be great. But right now I
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: don't see that, and that just I don't want to
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: say it worries me. But you know, I just the
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: great ones have power elements in their game.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Got to see you bull rusher guy, Yeah.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: You got you know, you got to be able to
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: be the guy there. Yeah, yeah, you know, not constantly
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: work half a man and work around him and you know,
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: you know it was a.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: Good power players Trayvon Walker, he's the one that, yes,
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: they are all the time.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: I mean, think of guys in your division. Just think
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: how country strong Jeffrey Simmons is. Yeah, I mean you
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: can just move people absolutely, yeah, I mean yeah, all right,
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: So there you go.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: There's the answer.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: Hey, so I have a reason. Maybe I'll be wrong.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: You know, it wouldn't be the first time. And believe me,
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: if I'm wrong, I get told about it, you know.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: Uh huh, just go on Twitter.
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, people, Well I love when people tell me JP
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: that that's an interesting take. I don't really do takes.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: You know, I watched I watched the tape. You know,
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: I worked seventy five hours a week watching tape. I
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: don't really do takes.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: Greg, you're the best. All right, thanks for the time.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: All right, Greg, here at the combine nnd JP Shadwick
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: with Ret Lewis of NFL Media. Let's go. It's been
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: a day for you. It's coming to a close. Thanks
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: for stuff and buy.
• 46:03
  Speaker 7: Oh my pleasure man, love to talk some duvall and
• 46:06
  Speaker 7: uh and see what's going on and picked number five
• 46:08
  Speaker 7: and with a brand new power structure.
• 46:10
  Speaker 6: I mean, there's so much to be excited about.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: You said it, right, Yeah about that, you know, but yes,
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: I gotta work on it with it.
• 46:17
  Speaker 7: It's a yeah, I think we understand. But there's always
• 46:20
  Speaker 7: room to grow, you know, right, Yeah.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: It's it is a new era, clearly three pronged new
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: era from the Jaguars, Tony Boselli, Gladstone, yeah, and of
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: course Liam Cohen. So let's start with Gladstone.
• 46:31
  Speaker 7: Sure, what do you know about this guy other than
• 46:34
  Speaker 7: the Rams absolutely adored him and that he really you know,
• 46:38
  Speaker 7: kind of built his his own path there. And I
• 46:40
  Speaker 7: think that's, uh, that's to be commended. In this world
• 46:44
  Speaker 7: where a lot of people, you know, land on third base,
• 46:46
  Speaker 7: and I think they had a triple right, And this
• 46:48
  Speaker 7: feels like a guy who's obviously still you know, young
• 46:51
  Speaker 7: in his journey, but you know, it's been a rapid
• 46:54
  Speaker 7: riser and I think has learned from some really savvy
• 46:57
  Speaker 7: people uh in Los Angeles and has learned you know,
• 47:02
  Speaker 7: in the last couple of years. Probably wouldn't impact just
• 47:05
  Speaker 7: pounding the draft with with big guys up front on
• 47:08
  Speaker 7: the defensive side of the ball, what that could do
• 47:09
  Speaker 7: for your fortunes and winning with you know, day two
• 47:12
  Speaker 7: and Day three picks, and it doesn't have to all
• 47:14
  Speaker 7: be about first rounders because as you know, sometimes you
• 47:16
  Speaker 7: got to have those picks.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: That's what they did, yeah, a little while, and then
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: but you got to hit the other picks for you
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: to do that, and that's that's also a job. Yeah,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: you know, he's strouting all those guys exactly. So now
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: he's got his own job here now, Liam Cohen. You know,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: it's a good sign if you've gone to a place
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: left and then get to go back to a place twice. Yeah,
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: he did that at Kentucky, he did that in La Yeah,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: and then of course, had his own OC gig in
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: Tampa and got Baker going.
• 47:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: So now Liam Cohen a thirty nine year old head coach,
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: and you know what was it about last season in Tampa?
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: How did he turn Baker in that offense into what
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: they were? And can he replicated something like that here?
• 47:57
  Speaker 6: Well, I think they got better run in the football.
• 47:59
  Speaker 7: They were good running the football, and and I think
• 48:02
  Speaker 7: that that you know, obviously drafting and hitting on Bucky
• 48:06
  Speaker 7: Irving was was incredible to and and it kind of
• 48:09
  Speaker 7: felt like it brought the best out of Rashad White
• 48:11
  Speaker 7: at times too. So you know, if I'm Travis etn,
• 48:14
  Speaker 7: I probably feel pretty good about this, about the way
• 48:17
  Speaker 7: that that run game. And look, I think you know,
• 48:19
  Speaker 7: Liam probably also saw the benefit of a young Studeley
• 48:22
  Speaker 7: offensive line. And you know, looking at the way that
• 48:27
  Speaker 7: the jack that the Jaguars have tried to kind of
• 48:30
  Speaker 7: fortify that group, and you know, whether you want to say,
• 48:34
  Speaker 7: couldn't get them get the most out of Cam Robinson,
• 48:37
  Speaker 7: you know, and now he's off in Minnesota or you know,
• 48:39
  Speaker 7: like and now can you find a way to retool
• 48:42
  Speaker 7: that group kind of in the way that that Tampa
• 48:45
  Speaker 7: had You know, right before Liam got there, and that
• 48:47
  Speaker 7: was one of, now one of the best.
• 48:48
  Speaker 6: Units in the league.
• 48:49
  Speaker 7: So I think, you know, continuing to fortify an offensive front,
• 48:54
  Speaker 7: finding backs that fit the way that you want to
• 48:55
  Speaker 7: run the football, committing to it. I mean, look at
• 48:58
  Speaker 7: Helps having a Hall of Famer in Mike Evans, you know,
• 49:01
  Speaker 7: and so you're building that profile with Brian Thomas and
• 49:05
  Speaker 7: what BTJ did as a rookie, I mean is extremely
• 49:08
  Speaker 7: attractive to me now in Liam's system, and.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Think about with with Brian most of his looks with
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: Mack Jones sort of the football late in the season
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: that wasn't early there was a one game three.
• 49:19
  Speaker 7: Times right right, and yeah, early on it kind of
• 49:22
  Speaker 7: mimicked what we saw with Marvin Harrison, you know out
• 49:24
  Speaker 7: in Arizona, like it had you know, had some flashes,
• 49:27
  Speaker 7: but couldn't consistently.
• 49:28
  Speaker 6: Get that that high level production.
• 49:30
  Speaker 7: So I man, just just really intrigued there with with
• 49:34
  Speaker 7: where they're at. And I think, you know, obviously, anytime
• 49:37
  Speaker 7: you get an offensive minded head coach that comes in,
• 49:39
  Speaker 7: you know, makes you really intrigued what that first draft
• 49:41
  Speaker 7: pick is going to look like. But again, you know,
• 49:43
  Speaker 7: bringing James Gladstone in also, you know, kind of paints
• 49:46
  Speaker 7: a picture of what he kind of came up into
• 49:49
  Speaker 7: and how they work together. And this is a lengthy process,
• 49:52
  Speaker 7: right that. Yeah, and so it did not have you know,
• 49:55
  Speaker 7: kind of just happened upon this lightly. So it it
• 49:59
  Speaker 7: feels like they're going to have really solid bond in
• 50:01
  Speaker 7: relationship on what each fields they need to get this
• 50:04
  Speaker 7: team back to a consistent championship level.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: Gladstone was what offered Friday, excepted Saturday and reduced Monday
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: in Jacksonville.
• 50:13
  Speaker 7: Here we are here. Tuesday, he was here. It was
• 50:15
  Speaker 7: here again.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's one of those whirlwind moments. It certainly
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: it wasn't like the cleanest end of the season. Doug
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: Peterson gets fired and then they go through the first
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: round and then Balkey gets run out. So now we
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: are here. Welcome, Welcome to the table.
• 50:29
  Speaker 6: Thank you.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: Brett lewis with us in NFL media and the Baselli
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: part of this thing is intriguing too. Yeah, first ever
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: draft pick in team history. He's been a contributor to
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: the team media side for the last ten twelve years.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: But I get a lot of stuff going on outside
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: the building too, and has to give it all up.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: Because this is a dream opportunity for Bisselli to be
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: part of this process. And how much of it we'll
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: see as it goes. But hey, he's the EVP.
• 50:54
  Speaker 7: And look, I think this is a this is the
• 50:56
  Speaker 7: guy that's obviously built a life in football and you know,
• 51:01
  Speaker 7: has been around when things were really good in Jacksonville,
• 51:06
  Speaker 7: and you know, knows what the potential of this franchise
• 51:11
  Speaker 7: can be when it gets back to that spot. And
• 51:13
  Speaker 7: then it's obviously seen it, you know, as you mentioned,
• 51:16
  Speaker 7: you know, whether it was on you know, Westwood calling
• 51:17
  Speaker 7: games or whether it was you know, when Tony was
• 51:20
  Speaker 7: up there, you know, in the booth, or you know,
• 51:23
  Speaker 7: has seen and stayed with trends that work in the league.
• 51:26
  Speaker 7: And I think that's obviously really important too. When you're
• 51:28
  Speaker 7: bringing back a legend, you know, is it a figurehead
• 51:32
  Speaker 7: or is it a guy who's actually still been connected
• 51:33
  Speaker 7: to the game.
• 51:34
  Speaker 6: And that's obviously what you got in Tony.
• 51:36
  Speaker 7: So you just added in another kick ass you know
• 51:38
  Speaker 7: football mind, Like let's go. You know, it's like that's
• 51:41
  Speaker 7: your I don't I don't say this comparison lightly, but
• 51:44
  Speaker 7: it's like you're you're Tom Brady almost you know with
• 51:47
  Speaker 7: the Raiders, like, why would you not knock down the
• 51:49
  Speaker 7: door and find out what Tony thinks about all these players,
• 51:52
  Speaker 7: about all these opportunities in the same way that the
• 51:54
  Speaker 7: Raiders are doing with Brady feels a little bit like
• 51:56
  Speaker 7: layaway with the Bronco.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that happens. Yeah, almost a minister of culture if
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: we were in that would be his title. Let's get
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: to this draft now, and you know, well the Jags
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: are in the top five again, yep, yep, what it is.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: We know the needs right defensive line, Yeah, safety, corner, interior,
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: O line. Are those stacked positions?
• 52:22
  Speaker 7: D line certainly stands out the most. I imagine I'm
• 52:25
  Speaker 7: not the first person to sit in this seat and
• 52:27
  Speaker 7: say that, and I imagine I won't be the last,
• 52:30
  Speaker 7: although maybe, But I mean that group and and that
• 52:33
  Speaker 7: is that is a chance now for uh, for Jacksonville
• 52:38
  Speaker 7: to get the best player at the deepest positioning group,
• 52:44
  Speaker 7: deepest position in the draft, and that's Mason Grant from Michigan.
• 52:47
  Speaker 7: I'm sure you've heard that name a million times. It
• 52:50
  Speaker 7: would just it would make a ton of sense to me. Again,
• 52:52
  Speaker 7: you go back to the way, uh, and look, I
• 52:54
  Speaker 7: know this signed Eric Armstead and and you know, you
• 52:57
  Speaker 7: you try to tried finding ways to get in, you know,
• 53:00
  Speaker 7: to bring that group up. And you know you draft
• 53:02
  Speaker 7: obviously in Josh Allen and and and Treyvon Walker and
• 53:08
  Speaker 7: so it feels like you spend a lot of resources there, right,
• 53:12
  Speaker 7: But don't let that sway you from spending another big
• 53:14
  Speaker 7: one on a guy who could you know, again be
• 53:16
  Speaker 7: another ten year.
• 53:17
  Speaker 6: Pro Bowl type player. Look at what the Eagles do?
• 53:20
  Speaker 7: You know, we keep coming back to that as kind
• 53:22
  Speaker 7: of the north star of this draft process, considering they
• 53:24
  Speaker 7: just you know, won their second Super Bowl in five years,
• 53:26
  Speaker 7: and they keep they kept hammering up front, right, just
• 53:30
  Speaker 7: kept hammering away, both on the offensive end defensive runt,
• 53:33
  Speaker 7: but specifically on the defensive side of the wall, both
• 53:36
  Speaker 7: in the first round and then into even Day three
• 53:38
  Speaker 7: where they got Josh Sweat, Right. So I think that
• 53:41
  Speaker 7: is that is a formula that has proven time and
• 53:45
  Speaker 7: time again to work in this league.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: If Travis Hunter is there at five, though, can you
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: resist that?
• 53:51
  Speaker 6: Do the Jaguars vieume as a defensive backers or receiver?
• 53:55
  Speaker 7: I think is a big question there, right, you know,
• 53:57
  Speaker 7: because you just you know, again, you took a marquee
• 53:59
  Speaker 7: player with a marquee resource at at the receiver spot
• 54:02
  Speaker 7: a year ago, and he turned out to be a
• 54:03
  Speaker 7: pretty dang good player.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: And Brian Thomas, they traded back twice what yeah, twice
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: to get to him.
• 54:08
  Speaker 7: Yeah, still got it and still ended up getting him.
• 54:11
  Speaker 7: I think if you view him as a defensive back
• 54:14
  Speaker 7: that it certainly fits because he will still help your offense.
• 54:18
  Speaker 7: I think if you view him as a receiver, I
• 54:22
  Speaker 7: find it harder to be a receiver and go spend
• 54:25
  Speaker 7: some time on defense than to be a dB and
• 54:27
  Speaker 7: spend some time on offense. So if they view Hi
• 54:30
  Speaker 7: as a receiver like the Browns do at number two one,
• 54:32
  Speaker 7: maybe he's not even on the on the board at
• 54:34
  Speaker 7: this point, but I would, I guess, feel a little
• 54:37
  Speaker 7: bit more comfortable with making him the pick. If it's
• 54:39
  Speaker 7: all right, we're gonna run him at dB and then
• 54:41
  Speaker 7: let's see what happens after that.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you played college wide receiver. Can you
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: believe what this guy's doing? No, it's unbelievable.
• 54:46
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, like i'd get winded in a you know,
• 54:49
  Speaker 7: a sixty places scrimmage, much less playing one hundred and
• 54:51
  Speaker 7: twenty five. You know snaps in an actual game, so uh,
• 54:55
  Speaker 7: credit to him. Incredible athlete. I think you worry about
• 54:58
  Speaker 7: durability a little bit. He is a slender frame, but
• 55:00
  Speaker 7: most dudes don't touch him, you know. But again, you're
• 55:03
  Speaker 7: gonna have to get physical at corner, and so how
• 55:05
  Speaker 7: do you hold up on that front?
• 55:06
  Speaker 6: And in this league? I think it's a question.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: Let's finish up here with the offensive line, and the
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: Jaguars are pretty much set up at the tackles seems
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: like at least for the short term future left guard
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: has a contract center and right guard or veteran guys
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: who knows how long they're going to play, and the
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: eleventh year guys Mitch Morrison, Brandon Sheriff. So what about
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: interior offensive line in this draft? What what stands out
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: the most there? Where would you begin?
• 55:31
  Speaker 7: Well, I think you're you're less unless you you pull
• 55:33
  Speaker 7: the trigger. It's at at five. I think you're gonna
• 55:36
  Speaker 7: miss on on Gray's Abel from North Dakota State, who
• 55:39
  Speaker 7: is probably the best interior offensive lineman in this draft.
• 55:42
  Speaker 7: Booker from Alabama is a is a good player too
• 55:45
  Speaker 7: at the guard spot. Is Abel, though, is probably the
• 55:48
  Speaker 7: best center in the draft. I think you can play anywhere,
• 55:51
  Speaker 7: and kind of helps you that way with his versatility.
• 55:53
  Speaker 7: I think further on down the line, i'd look at
• 55:55
  Speaker 7: a player like like Joonah Manheim from USC. Uh has
• 56:02
  Speaker 7: played all over the offensive line at USC but really
• 56:05
  Speaker 7: found a home at center. So I think that that
• 56:08
  Speaker 7: could be something day two, maybe later later on in
• 56:10
  Speaker 7: day two, that would make some sense there. I think
• 56:12
  Speaker 7: you had a pretty good Senior Bowl.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: That's the thing with this. With the Stakes team, they
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: don't have developmental lineman right now, guys that are on
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: the shelf waiting that they've been developing. So they need deep,
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: you know, later round guys to work on.
• 56:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, for sure. And look, it's hard. It's hard
• 56:30
  Speaker 7: in this this is not a developmental league like yeah.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: Better went back, yeah, exactly six years.
• 56:36
  Speaker 6: It's it's it's hard to do that.
• 56:39
  Speaker 7: But you know, I think you know, Kelvin Banks, you know,
• 56:42
  Speaker 7: could be you know, Nimbu from Missouri is a guy. Again,
• 56:47
  Speaker 7: these are first round type of players, so I think
• 56:49
  Speaker 7: you're gonna you'd be hard pressed there unless you're moving back,
• 56:52
  Speaker 7: you know, which could certainly happen.
• 56:53
  Speaker 6: I just don't know.
• 56:53
  Speaker 7: There's a ton of guys who want a ton of
• 56:55
  Speaker 7: teams who want to move up in this draft.
• 56:57
  Speaker 6: Everyone's talking about trades.
• 56:58
  Speaker 7: Only two quarterbacks, right, they really worthy of moving moving up?
• 57:01
  Speaker 7: What it would take to move up, or you're getting
• 57:04
  Speaker 7: a bargain moving up this year because you know the
• 57:06
  Speaker 7: class isn't quite what it was in recent years. So
• 57:09
  Speaker 7: I think it's a lot to kind of consider on
• 57:11
  Speaker 7: that front. But there are there are definitely interior offensive
• 57:14
  Speaker 7: linemen in this group, and there's definitely some that you're
• 57:16
  Speaker 7: gonna be able to find beyond Day one. Paths to
• 57:18
  Speaker 7: the Draft give us March Arny first. We're starting it up.
• 57:21
  Speaker 7: We got a big first week. We're gonna in week
• 57:23
  Speaker 7: one with Shredeor Sanders Pro Day from Colorado, so we'll
• 57:28
  Speaker 7: have that in addition to a path episode. We also
• 57:31
  Speaker 7: have Cam Wartz Pro Day coming up before Path starts,
• 57:34
  Speaker 7: so we got a lot of draft stuff hitting the
• 57:37
  Speaker 7: airwaves here and at NFL Media.
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: You're true for man. Thanks to stop about it a
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: long day anytime, JAP think you about j P. Shadwick
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: was Cynthia Freeland, NFL media analytics expert. That's not all
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: you do. You have more roles than that.
• 57:51
  Speaker 8: How are you I'm great, how are you well?
• 57:53
  Speaker 9: I always forget like you, I should have you do
• 57:55
  Speaker 9: my like voicemail outgoing message like you say.
• 57:58
  Speaker 8: My name perfectly.
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: We can do that. I love that.
• 58:01
  Speaker 9: And it's the problem is is I don't want those
• 58:03
  Speaker 9: random people who get your phone number to know it's
• 58:05
  Speaker 9: actually me, you know, so I have to keep this
• 58:07
  Speaker 9: the number one on there anyways, but I wish next
• 58:11
  Speaker 9: time I get one where it's like I'll get a
• 58:13
  Speaker 9: phone renewal.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: That's what happens to you're a big star. No, you
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: don't want no just in case.
• 58:18
  Speaker 9: No, it's like random's who like are like I are like, hey,
• 58:21
  Speaker 9: can you get me tickets to the Super Bowl? I'm
• 58:23
  Speaker 9: like nope, I don't get to like are you kidding me?
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 58:27
  Speaker 8: Sure, you know what, let me do.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: This, really make a phone called random person.
• 58:32
  Speaker 9: That I haven't talked to since whatever? You know, So
• 58:35
  Speaker 9: I just never changed my phone number.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: So anyways, they come out of the woodwork. I hear
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: you another new world in Jacksonville three headed front office
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: now head coach GM and an EVP and Tony Boselli.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: Is that the right approach is that too much? Is
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: it too little? What's the it's the approach they're going with.
• 58:53
  Speaker 9: I kind of feel like, given the fact that like
• 58:56
  Speaker 9: you have a nice blend, like kind of like in
• 58:58
  Speaker 9: team building, you have a nice end of like established newer,
• 59:02
  Speaker 9: different thinkers, more legacy thinkers. So as long as they
• 59:07
  Speaker 9: understand whose job is what, and no one like how
• 59:10
  Speaker 9: do your vent diagrams overlap? Then who are we to
• 59:13
  Speaker 9: say it's not perfect? Because I think you should have
• 59:15
  Speaker 9: some like you know, like the gym's not the oldest
• 59:19
  Speaker 9: person in the world, you know, I don't think I'm
• 59:22
  Speaker 9: saying something crazy here before kind of a baby, you know, young,
• 59:28
  Speaker 9: not thirty four years of experience sometimes whatever. So look,
• 59:32
  Speaker 9: my point is is like it's nice to give him
• 59:33
  Speaker 9: twenty Bistelli who understands all of the different logistical aspects
• 59:36
  Speaker 9: that maybe he hasn't experienced James Glaston hasn't experienced yet
• 59:39
  Speaker 9: in his career.
• 59:40
  Speaker 8: So I like that part.
• 59:42
  Speaker 9: And then let the coach do his thing because I
• 59:44
  Speaker 9: kind of I kind of believe in that, like work
• 59:46
  Speaker 9: together and figure out who does what.
• 59:48
  Speaker 8: But sure, I'm I'm here for it.
• 59:51
  Speaker 9: Like if they think it's gonna work, great, you got
• 59:52
  Speaker 9: to give something to try, like might as well shake
• 59:54
  Speaker 9: it up, you know, like if it's if it's not working,
• 59:56
  Speaker 9: make it fit, make it how you want it.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: And mister has had all different types of setups for
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: a front office. He's had a veteran GM and a
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: veteran coach. He's had first time head coach with an EVP,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: you know, and he's had all these different things. So
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: totally now he's going on the younger end of that
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: and give him an opportunity. So that's how it goes.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 9: I mean, you have a guy on your staff that's
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 9: from my high school, so you it must be good.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 8: Oh yeah, well I mean John van Dam Baby, he.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: Went to high school together. Yeah, together together, same time world.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 9: Yeah, it's his real name too. People was like, actor,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 9: why would he change his name? It was going to
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 9: change you would you think John Claude van Dam. But no,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 9: John van Dam. He's awesome, wonderful.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: Looking forward to me.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's for sure.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: Gladstone's experience is mostly in LA with the RAMS worked
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: his way up. He was scouting strategy. What do you
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: know about their operation there with Les lead and the
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: way Les need the GM there and what do you
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: think he will be able to late from the Rams experience.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 9: There's two words that come to mind, like my word
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 9: cloud with with the LA experience and potentially what James
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 9: Cloudstone is gonna bring. One is trust. They have a
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 9: lot of trust in each other. Obviously they didn't have
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 9: first round draft picks for a long time and they
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 9: rebuilt their defensive front without Aaron oronold.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: F those picks, right, that's what they said.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 8: They did say that, Okay, but.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: Then you have the other picks.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 8: You got a pick, right, yeah, got it? F them picks.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 9: But I was always like, Okay, I'm pretty sure people
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 9: would rather want to have whatever good for them, make
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 9: it make sense and so.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 8: And the other thing is system.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 9: And I think obviously in espressor you heard these, but
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 9: I believe it, Like I think that the system that
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 9: he will be able to bring into place will be
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 9: one that is at least a way to surface where
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 9: things are not right quickly so you can address them,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 9: and it will help provide things, you know, in a
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 9: in a way that makes sense and keeps making sense.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 9: So I think a system helps form an ide identity,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 9: and identity is really hard to keep over time, especially
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 9: you know when you've had different people rotating through for
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 9: a while, then it's hard to have an identity. So
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 9: I believe that focus and that system and that structure
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 9: creates a nice foundation to work from. That's that's where
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 9: I think you will know what is a jag, right,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 9: Like how what are the traits that we what is
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 9: our emission statement? What are you know we always have
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 9: at this combine? Here is like next is now or
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 9: now whatever it is. But the truth is is somebody
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 9: really puts a lot of time, effort and thought into
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 9: like all of these tag works that we have, Like
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 9: you know, I think I like the one that was
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 9: like make good decisions. Remember that one anyways, but it
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 9: was like like anyway, being great as your choice. It
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 9: was it was being great as your choice. And I
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 9: was like, so you're telling to make make a decisions anyways.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 9: But people are really thoughtful about like you know, galvanizing
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 9: us around a topic, you know, and and we're a
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 9: lot of people. I mean, I was curious how many
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 9: credentials or issues is like a billion? But like you
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 9: know that whole thing, Well, that's how teams.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 8: Good teams are built.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: So why there's a Minister of culture now basically in
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: Boselli to kind of start that and the GM on
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: that part of it on the football side. And then
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: there's Liam Cohen, a guy who went back to the
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: college team he was at the first time, went back
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: there and then went back to the Rams again. That
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: tells you left both in good graces to be able
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: to come back in both organizations. Then it goes to
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: Tampa and they had some injuries, but they worked around
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: it and got the job done. With Baker and everything,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: what stands out, what do you like the most about
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: Liam Cohen?
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 9: It feels like Liam Cohen is able to take what
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 9: a player does best and get the most out.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 8: Of them, and it's a lot of people.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 9: Baker has a really great arm and a lot of
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 9: people were trying to rely too hard on it back
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 9: in his previous life and then giving him some.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 8: Quick, easy tempo, quick easy temp.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 9: They didn't really have a great run game to begin
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 9: you know, a couple of two seasons ago, and they
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 9: figured it out even without that. So finding solutions to
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 9: get someone in rhythm, get them in their flow, get
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 9: them doing the thing they're so then when he does
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 9: take those deep passes to Mike Evans, everyone feels more confident.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 9: It's it's not about asking him to do throw me
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 9: a thirty five yard or on everybody. No, it's about
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 9: trying to figure out the right flow tempo, thaying Okay,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 9: I see this defense grade, I can recognize it, and
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 9: I'm gonna beat you over the top. Whatever it is, Like,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 9: there's like a pretty good I guess about to be
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 9: second year receiver. I still feel like we're in I
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 9: still feel like Myrdups Junior is a rookie because it
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 9: was like five minutes ago that he was a rookie.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: But well he was here doing combine stuff. Is here.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 8: It's like crazy, Yeah, he's I'm like a huge fan
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 8: of his.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: And he got so much better as the season went on,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: and he's throwing the ball at first half at least
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: get like three looks a game.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 8: I know, I know, well I don't.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 9: I don't mind that they gave him a minute to
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 9: like figure it out, Like in general, I don't mind
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 9: that strategy, but like you know, especially with figuring out
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 9: like how to get chemistry with a new like I
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 9: don't know play calling with long story short is, I
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 9: think there's gonna be a great opportunity for him to,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 9: like if I'm a fan n player, and I love
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 9: the Jags like I'm telling all of my friends that
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 9: I hate him, and I'm not.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 8: Gonna I'm not gonna drop that. I snatch him round one.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: I love that, Love that Cynthia Freeland with this NFL
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: media Jags defense was among the worst in the league
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: last year. They blew that whole staff out and brought
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: in company Lay and they've got first round talent on
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: the defensive line. On the edges, they were at soft
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: in the middle. Linebacker play was inconsistent at times, they
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: were rotating guys in and then the safety play was
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: far to be desired. So there's a lot of work
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: to be done on defense, but there there are some
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: cornerstone guys at least on the edges you can build
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: around here heinz Allen and treyvon Walker.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 9: I think that this is a great time. So number one,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 9: this is a better defensive class than it is offensive
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 9: in my opinion. I don't think it's a great on
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 9: line draft class. I don't think it's a great quarterback class.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 9: I don't think it's a great wide receiver. I think
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 9: that you're gonna be able to get a nice corner
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 9: that Jaggs be able to be like great, Okay, got
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 9: me a corner.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: Something Campbell on one side and whoever it is on.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 9: The other exactly, I'm not exactly sure which one because
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 9: at some like there are some very we'll see after
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 9: after this week kind of where some of these chips
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 9: fall when it comes to the course. But I think
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 9: this is a good time to need pieces on the defense.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 9: Like this is not this is a weird free agency
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 9: class in general. This is a like there's some weirdness
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 9: this year that's just like not not normal, not normal
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 9: stuff that we're seeing. But I think defense is a
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 9: good a good area to like, if you need a
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 9: wide receiver Laska year rough, if you need a quarterback, eh,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 9: I don't know. Your guess is as good as mine,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 9: you know, Like so so that's kind of that's kind
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 9: of I'm like better to need defense.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's get into some of the technology aspects of
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: the football these days. There's the GPS stuff going on,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: body scanning is starting to become where you can figure
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: out weaknesses and all these things. And what's next, Like
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: what do we what's the cutting edge of technology and
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: football these days coming up?
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 9: What I really like to see and this doesn't have
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 9: as much to do with the NFL as it does
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 9: the college level. But now that so we're in this
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 9: like weird era of like nil transfer portals out of control.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 9: And the interesting part for me is I now believe
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 9: if I'm any of these agents, I'm pushing on the
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 9: colleges to start them on much better training regimens when
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 9: they're younger. Like the variability between what happens between colleges
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 9: is insanity, and so I believe getting them on more
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 9: regimented training programs earlier will help get rid of some
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 9: of the problems we're seeing from all this different moving
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 9: around business.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but if the player is going to move in
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: a year, how do you start a.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 9: Program for Well, I think to me, and maybe I'm
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 9: being political here, what I don't mean to be. They
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 9: have to there to me their employees, and they need
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 9: to sign a contract just like you and I are adult.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 8: Are you an adult? If I can give you three
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 8: million dollars, you're an adult? In my book?
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 9: And then people and people say, well, if you're a
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 9: math major, you can switch college, Like, yeah, I am
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 9: paying to be the math major, true, right, Like, who's
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 9: got the leverage here? Anyway, so I think, but I
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 9: think that's gonna and or agency will agencies will start
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 9: having to do that something like that. Like, so I
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 9: think the technology will trickle down better into the college
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 9: programs because what we're seeing now is like there's just
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 9: such a big like the learning curve is so massive
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 9: into the NFL. It's making it hard and harder and
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 9: harder for scouts to be able to accurately say, like
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 9: what is this person's resume? Because if you're playing at
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 9: for different places like it games here, it games, it
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 9: like I don't know what I'm looking at to, you know,
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 9: like maybe scouts do, but I don't think they do.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: What's your opinion on this idea of no chain game
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: next year? I hate it.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 8: I think that.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 9: I don't think it's no right because there's like so
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 9: much like subjectivity when it comes to like where's the
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 9: line to gang?
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 8: Like what?
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 9: So if you have that mental reference, like I just
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 9: don't think like my peripher vision matters, right, So if
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 9: I'm only saying like this, like this Hawkeye is going
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 9: to do that, I think it should help you in
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 9: case when it's like really off. But there's some subjectivity
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 9: into you know, when forward progress was stopped. But I
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 9: think your peripheral vision needs to have those orange markers
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 9: so that you're more like you have to have you
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 9: have to have a tether point right. It's like, you know,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 9: like if I tell you to turn on the right bar,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 9: like the red barn, like you kind of like you
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 9: need to have, you know, visual mapping to be able
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 9: to do it. So I don't think that that would
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 9: help much. But I do think in certain cases, having
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 9: the ability to use the technology when something looks very
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 9: wrong to double check it when it's not like game
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 9: changing or something like that.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 8: That's helpful. But there's so much subjectivity.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 9: I don't think you can get rid of the mental
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 9: reference points on the side.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, the best thing I can probably compare this
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: to is like in tennis, right, they do the review
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: of the in and out, Yeah, and it's the whole thing.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: They clap. There's the drama, okay, But I love the
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: drama of the old guys bringing the chains out and
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: the car stretched it and Stereotaur doing the card like.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: I love that.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 8: I like it is great TV.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 9: I'm with you on that, But there's always there's always
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 9: gonna be subjectivity, you know, like, I don't want it
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 9: to not be like the to me, the challenge. The
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 9: only time I want to use a technology is when
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 9: on it looks like it's like four inches different three
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 9: you know what I'm saying, Like where you're like, that
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 9: is clearly a first down.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 8: I don't understand. I don't know.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: Well, then you got to figure out the spotting more
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: than the measurement, correct.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 9: But I think you need those. I think you need
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 9: the what is it like temporal reference? But whatever you know,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 9: you're you need.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: That, Like I don't even know what you're talking about.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 9: Right, you need to see the orange, but I think
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 9: you I think you mentally need to see like the
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 9: orange over there.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's still gonna stay. You still have
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: to know where to go.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 8: It's got but I think they're gonna I want the drama.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: To final thoughts with you here A favorite part of
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: the combine week.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 8: I'm getting to see everyone. This is my favorite. Everyone
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 8: thinks they can win the Super Bowl, which who am
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 8: I to say they can't.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: You know a few teams that can't, but you know
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: we have Jags can, But of course other teams.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 8: Have you seen your division?
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: Of course I'm aware of the defict.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 8: All you need to do is make it to the playoffs,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 8: win the super Bowl.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: That's what they said last year didn't make the playoffs
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: four and thirteen.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 8: Well, all you can go is up, you know.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: Oh you can get worse. They can always get I know. Yeah,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: the team that head back to back number one picks
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: Jaguars at five. Who are they picking?
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 8: Who do I want them to pick?
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: Who are they picking?
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: Hmmm?
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 8: Who's available?
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: See, nobody has just a straight answer anymore. Everybody's got
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: all these you.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 8: Know, variable I might be in the minority.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 9: I think the Michigan corner would be a really good
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 9: pick for you guys. I think it'd be a really
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 9: nice fit. I think that in your division it would
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 9: be a really solid But people like.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 8: He's not worth that I have a pick. I don't
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 8: give a crap.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 9: If he's going to really help your team, I would
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 9: just take him there like, or you can try to
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 9: trade down and get extra equity for it.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 8: But I don't know.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: I like.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 9: I like the Michigan corner a lot for you guys,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 9: maybe love it? Does that not make you happy?
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: No, it makes me. It's your opinion.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 9: I'm going to tell you though, if Will Campbell's there
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 9: still from lsu'd be really hard. That's like the one
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 9: offensive tackle that I really like. I don't think he'll
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 9: be there still, which is why I went with the corner.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 9: But if, well, if LSU offensive tackle is there, please
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 9: do not let him not fault. I mean, that's like
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 9: truly the only one that I actually think. I could
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 9: say I feel it very strongly as a starter day
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 9: one and like the contributor in this class a line's crazy.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 8: But then after that, I would say, Michigan Corner.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: Love it, Cynthia, enjoy your work. Thanks for coming on
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: with it anytime.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 8: Tell Bucky April first, him and I to the.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: Path to the oh yeah, path to the draft.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 9: And then you know what we do it after that.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 9: But it's still called paths to the draft. No one
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 9: knows why that happened, even though the.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: Draft is over. Path to the next draft or reviewing
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: the path that we just took to the draft.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: I really know.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: As long as the check clears said, don't ask questions,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: I'm not.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 8: That's way above my pay grade.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: Great to see you since the free NFL media here
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: at the combine.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: M hmm,