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- 0:02Speaker 1: This is the Appetizer Hour with Brett Cain on demand.
- 0:06Speaker 1: Check out Brett weekday mornings at 6 on Altitude Sports
- 0:10Speaker 1: Radio 92.5 and on the Altitude Sports Radio app.
- 0:19Speaker 2: All right, welcome in. There is something that I was
- 0:24Speaker 2: just kicking around last night. In thinking about this game
- 0:29Speaker 2: this weekend, you're playing against the Super Bowl betting odds favorites.
- 0:36Speaker 2: A team that is consisting of a reigning MVP at quarterback,
- 0:44Speaker 2: one of the smartest coaches in the NFL, playmakers all
- 0:49Speaker 2: over the offense, a Hall of Famer that has returned
- 0:53Speaker 2: to the interior of that defensive line, A team that
- 0:56Speaker 2: has made trade after trade for corners and safeties and
- 1:02Speaker 2: a whole bunch of different things. A team that is
- 1:04Speaker 2: all in on trying to win a Super Bowl. And
- 1:09Speaker 2: it's believable that they might. You had a start to
- 1:15Speaker 2: the year in which you were 0-1 and it felt
- 1:19Speaker 2: like panic. You go back to last year. You lost
- 1:27Speaker 2: three football games over your first 17. The only reason
- 1:34Speaker 2: you were eliminated from the postseason was because your starting
- 1:38Speaker 2: quarterback got hurt with an ankle injury, and it was
- 1:42Speaker 2: way more understandable for their exit in the postseason. You've
- 1:47Speaker 2: only dealt with, in the last calendar year and some change,
- 1:55Speaker 2: four losses. How much and how capable are we as
- 2:06Speaker 2: a collective of riding this wave? The wave of the
- 2:13Speaker 2: difficult schedule beginning of the year. Because here's, if I'm
- 2:21Speaker 2: being honest, every sports fan base is like this to
- 2:28Speaker 2: some extent. Where you will Ride that emotional high after
- 2:33Speaker 2: a win and you will be in the depths after
- 2:37Speaker 2: a loss. The issue comes with the beginning of this schedule.
- 2:44Speaker 2: And if we ask the question at the very beginning, well,
- 2:47Speaker 2: in the offseason when the schedule was released, hey, this
- 2:51Speaker 2: looks really hard to start the year. Three and three.
- 2:57Speaker 2: seems like that should be the goal, the standard to
- 3:01Speaker 2: be set with how difficult this is. When you get
- 3:05Speaker 2: in the middle of the attempt for 3-3, I just
- 3:11Speaker 2: think we aren't very used to losses around here. And
- 3:17Speaker 2: that's what makes this really hard. It's the same reason
- 3:19Speaker 2: why losing for the Nuggets and the Avs has been
- 3:22Speaker 2: so hard over the last five, six years. Because they're
- 3:28Speaker 2: good and you're not really used to it. The general
- 3:33Speaker 2: feeling surrounding those two teams for half a decade have been, yeah,
- 3:40Speaker 2: I think they're going to play, I think they're going
- 3:42Speaker 2: to win this game. And it's not because they're playing
- 3:46Speaker 2: a bad opponent. Why do you think you're going to win?
- 3:49Speaker 2: Because I think my team's good. And they were. Are.
- 3:54Speaker 2: And now the same place that you're at right now,
- 3:58Speaker 2: is what the Denver Broncos. But if you go into
- 4:02Speaker 2: this weekend's game and you lose against the Rams and
- 4:08Speaker 2: you drop the 1-2, I think it's going to feel
- 4:13Speaker 2: much the same way as it did against Kansas City. Now,
- 4:15Speaker 2: Kansas City did have a different flavor to it because
- 4:19Speaker 2: you haven't lost like that in a long time. I mean,
- 4:26Speaker 2: if you truly think about it, The final score being
- 4:31Speaker 2: what it was, was sort of the shocking thing. You
- 4:35Speaker 2: can point back to last year's Jacksonville game and say
- 4:38Speaker 2: that was a butt-kicking two. But it's been few and
- 4:45Speaker 2: far between where you just get your tail handed to
- 4:49Speaker 2: you from a final score perspective like you did in
- 4:53Speaker 2: that first week of the season. And I think that
- 4:56Speaker 2: those are going to continue to be pretty few and
- 4:59Speaker 2: far between. I don't see a world that exists in
- 5:02Speaker 2: which the Broncos have like two or three more of
- 5:06Speaker 2: those double-digit type losses at the end of the year.
- 5:09Speaker 2: But I will say this, if you aren't on your
- 5:12Speaker 2: P's and Q's on Sunday, this game is capable of
- 5:15Speaker 2: being one of them. Really, any one of your next
- 5:20Speaker 2: four are capable of being one of those. But that's
- 5:27Speaker 2: part of riding that wave. I've tried my best to
- 5:33Speaker 2: stay in the middle on both sides of it, wins
- 5:36Speaker 2: and losses. And perhaps that's part of the reason why
- 5:41Speaker 2: I'm criticized a lot after a win is that I
- 5:44Speaker 2: will bring up things in which they need to be better.
- 5:49Speaker 2: And in the case of Kansas City, and this is
- 5:51Speaker 2: where I think I'm being fair, They need to be
- 5:55Speaker 2: better in some areas after the Jacksonville game. And I
- 5:58Speaker 2: highlighted those to criticism. And things weren't as bad as
- 6:08Speaker 2: it seemed in the Kansas City game in which I
- 6:11Speaker 2: highlighted those to criticism. I try and keep it in
- 6:16Speaker 2: the middle for you as much as I possibly can.
- 6:22Speaker 2: But I think it's one of those things, if you
- 6:24Speaker 2: are being criticized in both manners, I think that's because
- 6:28Speaker 2: I'm attempting as best I can to keep perspective and
- 6:30Speaker 2: be fair about this. Kansas City game just showed me
- 6:34Speaker 2: one thing. That despite playing about as bad a game
- 6:41Speaker 2: as you could from a fundamental standpoint, I think you were...
- 6:49Speaker 2: If you play Kansas City again, there's a really good
- 6:52Speaker 2: shot that you win the game because you'd clean up
- 6:54Speaker 2: on those. That was a byproduct of playing them the
- 6:57Speaker 2: first week of the year.
- 6:59Speaker 3: And also, Brett, we're, what, a week? Over a week
- 7:02Speaker 3: away from that game.
- 7:03Speaker 4: And the more I look back on it, I still
- 7:06Speaker 4: don't know if that game was more about the Chiefs
- 7:09Speaker 4: returning to their evil empire form or more about the
- 7:13Speaker 4: Broncos just completely playing the worst possible game of football ever.
- 7:18Speaker 4: not called the Miami Dolphins or Atlanta Falcons. Like, that
- 7:21Speaker 4: was just so unbelievably bad. So I don't know what
- 7:23Speaker 4: the bigger takeaway is. I still don't know.
- 7:26Speaker 2: It's crazy. I would tell you this, Nelly, and I
- 7:29Speaker 2: think it's a decent thought. The answer is probably somewhere
- 7:34Speaker 2: in the middle that it's both. I would still lean
- 7:37Speaker 2: way more to, like, the Broncos just played an awful
- 7:41Speaker 2: game in the most fundamental and basic form. Of what
- 7:50Speaker 2: football is. Commit turnovers, take penalties, don't tackle. If you're
- 7:58Speaker 2: a Pop Warner team, you're going to get your butt
- 8:00Speaker 2: kicked that way. The shocking thing about that game is
- 8:03Speaker 2: that it wasn't worse with how bad you were at that,
- 8:06Speaker 2: to be honest. The last time you played that way,
- 8:10Speaker 2: and that's why I wanted to point this out. And
- 8:13Speaker 2: you tell me if this feels like it's more of
- 8:17Speaker 2: an indictment of Kansas City or not. The last time
- 8:20Speaker 2: you had similar numbers for missed tackles, missed tackle percentage,
- 8:25Speaker 2: yards after contact. The Broncos have been in the top
- 8:30Speaker 2: five in two different categories over the last seven years
- 8:34Speaker 2: in that. And that was the Kansas City game to
- 8:36Speaker 2: open up the year this year. And it was Miami
- 8:39Speaker 2: three years ago. The difference is Miami didn't put up
- 8:43Speaker 2: 31 points. They put up 70. And I thought, it
- 8:48Speaker 2: is a little bit weird that you were so bad
- 8:50Speaker 2: in those areas and it was still a football game
- 8:53Speaker 2: for the majority of it. So yeah, I think the
- 8:56Speaker 2: answer is a little bit of both. But with two
- 9:03Speaker 2: games now under your belt, if you go back to
- 9:07Speaker 2: last year, the Broncos started last year 1-2. They won
- 9:11Speaker 2: the first week against Tennessee. In large part, the Broncos looked...
- 9:17Speaker 2: Really bad in week one last year, too. They had
- 9:19Speaker 2: the benefit of playing perhaps the worst team in the
- 9:24Speaker 2: NFL with a rookie quarterback making his first start. You
- 9:30Speaker 2: were able to get away with it because of opponent. Now,
- 9:35Speaker 2: after that, you went week two and week three, close
- 9:37Speaker 2: loss to Indianapolis, close loss to Los Angeles, and then
- 9:41Speaker 2: you went on that big run. Went from one and
- 9:44Speaker 2: two to 12 and two. That sort of streak is
- 9:50Speaker 2: not going to be available here. If you start one
- 9:53Speaker 2: and two to this year, you're going to feel that nervousness,
- 9:57Speaker 2: which you felt last year, but doesn't matter. quite hit
- 10:00Speaker 2: the same when you aren't when you didn't look at
- 10:04Speaker 2: at San Francisco at the Chargers defending Super Bowl champs
- 10:08Speaker 2: at home the next three weeks there was a lot
- 10:14Speaker 2: of things that were were that came together last year
- 10:17Speaker 2: um from both internally within the Broncos organization, things that
- 10:26Speaker 2: went right and that they earned, and also from the outside,
- 10:31Speaker 2: and God, we might be on our way again, of
- 10:34Speaker 2: things just kind of falling into place of, ooh, MVP
- 10:37Speaker 2: quarterback goes down with an injury, team not as good.
- 10:41Speaker 2: Joe Burrow down with an injury again. Cincinnati can't overcome it.
- 10:45Speaker 2: A lot of that stuff just kind of came together
- 10:47Speaker 2: for you. This, if you go out and make the
- 10:53Speaker 2: playoffs or win the division this year, that is going
- 10:56Speaker 2: to be one of the most deserved highlights that you're
- 11:05Speaker 2: going to find in recent memory. Now, to the injury thing,
- 11:10Speaker 2: I'll tell you what is weird. Can I ask something
- 11:15Speaker 2: to you guys and you guys tell me if this
- 11:17Speaker 2: is being prisoner of the moment or not? Watched a
- 11:22Speaker 2: lot of football in my life, a lot. And I
- 11:25Speaker 2: know that football is a violent game where people get hurt.
- 11:28Speaker 2: Does it feel like it's a lot more now? Especially
- 11:34Speaker 2: early in seasons? Like, I don't recall the amount of
- 11:40Speaker 2: major injuries that have been suffered in the first two
- 11:45Speaker 2: weeks of an NFL season. I mean, just quarterbacks alone
- 11:50Speaker 2: Constantly going down. And then you look around and it's
- 11:54Speaker 2: big time players suffering these. And I thought the same
- 11:58Speaker 2: thing in the NBA. I'm like, there's a lot of
- 12:01Speaker 2: guys in the NBA that seem like they get hurt
- 12:04Speaker 2: a lot. And like 20, 30 years ago, that didn't
- 12:10Speaker 2: seem to be the case. No, I've spit these numbers
- 12:13Speaker 2: at you before, but go look at Carl Malone's career
- 12:16Speaker 2: games played. Like, go to his basketball reference page, pull
- 12:20Speaker 2: up Malone, and look at games played in a season.
- 12:24Speaker 2: You'll feel like a broken record. You'll just say, 82, 82, 82, 82, 82, 82, 82. Like,
- 12:32Speaker 2: every single year, that guy didn't miss a game. But
- 12:37Speaker 2: it feels constant. And I don't know what the reasoning
- 12:39Speaker 2: is for it. Maybe back in the day, When the
- 12:46Speaker 2: season ended and these guys went, you know, if you
- 12:50Speaker 2: were on a Babe Ruth type of diet, I go
- 12:52Speaker 2: out and play baseball and then I hammer cigarettes, hot dogs,
- 12:55Speaker 2: and beer afterwards. And I don't have an off season
- 12:59Speaker 2: in which I'm under a squat rack.
- 13:02Speaker 4: Like, I don't know what the thing is. Maybe Daft
- 13:05Speaker 4: Punk said it best back in 2001. Everybody's just hitting harder, better, faster, stronger.
- 13:11Speaker 4: I mean, maybe the game gets a little more physical
- 13:14Speaker 4: and guys get a little more stronger every year.
- 13:16Speaker 3: Is that maybe that's why?
- 13:17Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing, Nelly. I don't have the answer,
- 13:22Speaker 2: but I'm just asking, am I right in the assessment
- 13:27Speaker 2: that it's happening a lot more or am I just
- 13:31Speaker 2: prisoner of the moment here because a lot of injuries
- 13:33Speaker 2: have happened and maybe it's a weird year, but it
- 13:35Speaker 2: feels like recently this has happened a lot. So go
- 13:41Speaker 2: ahead and throw it out to me. 303-504-0925. Shop Mazda
- 13:45Speaker 2: Text Line. One price, one person, one hour. Seth Wickersham's
- 13:49Speaker 2: going to join us. Have we nailed down a time
- 13:52Speaker 2: for Seth?
- 13:53Speaker 5: 7.40.
- 13:53Speaker 2: 7.40 he will join us. Remember, he had the big
- 13:55Speaker 2: article on Sean Payton. He's going to be in town
- 13:58Speaker 2: this week, and he's got some more insights he can
- 14:01Speaker 2: give us, especially on the idea of the Sean Payton-Michael
- 14:08Speaker 2: McDonald- Cheating allegation that was thrown out there by Michael
- 14:14Speaker 2: McDonald and came out yesterday. So, we'll have a lot
- 14:19Speaker 2: more on that with Seth Wickersham at 7.40 this morning.
- 14:22Speaker 2: But NFL Stock Up, Stock Down next. We do it
- 14:25Speaker 2: every week following the NFL weekend. It is NFL Stock Up,
- 14:28Speaker 2: Stock Down. We always start with the quarterbacks.
- 14:30Speaker 3: Stock Up.
- 14:34Speaker 2: I'm not saying I fully believe in this yet. But
- 14:39Speaker 2: I kind of believe in this. Bryce Young looks good
- 14:44Speaker 2: through the first two weeks of the season. These are back-to-back, well,
- 14:49Speaker 2: almost 300-yard games. He didn't need 300 yards to beat
- 14:53Speaker 2: the Atlanta Falcons. But he was 23 of 36 for
- 14:57Speaker 2: 287 yards, three touchdowns, no picks. Over the first two
- 15:02Speaker 2: games of the season, he has 650 passing yards with
- 15:05Speaker 2: six touchdowns. seven if you include a rushing touchdown from
- 15:09Speaker 2: week one. His team is averaging 35.5 points a game
- 15:13Speaker 2: through two weeks, despite being 1-1 on the season. I
- 15:17Speaker 2: don't know if I'm totally buying in to Bryce Young
- 15:24Speaker 2: being a guy who has turned his career around and
- 15:26Speaker 2: now he is here to stay. Because I don't think
- 15:29Speaker 2: Carolina knows. If Carolina was given the option right now
- 15:32Speaker 2: to sign him to a $ 55 million a year contract,
- 15:37Speaker 2: I don't think they'd do it. And I think they'd
- 15:39Speaker 2: be smart not to. But in a year that is
- 15:43Speaker 2: a proof of year for Bryce Young for two different reasons.
- 15:46Speaker 2: Number one, will you get paid or not? Number two,
- 15:50Speaker 2: will you be considered a starting quarterback in this league
- 15:52Speaker 2: or not? He's had a really good impression here in
- 15:56Speaker 2: the first two weeks. And I'll say this. In regards
- 16:00Speaker 2: to him, I've always had my questions about Bryce Young
- 16:03Speaker 2: because I've always said Bryce Young is small. And when
- 16:07Speaker 2: you say something like that, they'll be like, oh yeah, well,
- 16:09Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield's small or Kyler Murray is small. And yes,
- 16:12Speaker 2: they're short. When I say small, I mean slight. And
- 16:16Speaker 2: I've always wondered for a guy who is both shorter
- 16:19Speaker 2: and thinner, can you hold up in this league? Because
- 16:23Speaker 2: you get hit by people a lot bigger than you.
- 16:26Speaker 2: And are you willing to do that repeatedly? If he's
- 16:29Speaker 2: willing to take the shot on the chin and keep
- 16:31Speaker 2: getting up and making throw after throw, then credit to him.
- 16:35Speaker 2: But I am intrigued by Bryce Young, not fully bought in,
- 16:40Speaker 2: which takes us to quarterback stock down. And he resides
- 16:45Speaker 2: in the same division. Similar situation. Team was hesitant to
- 16:50Speaker 2: pay quarterback money. Quarterback was going to go out this
- 16:53Speaker 2: year and prove it. And he was pissed publicly. He
- 16:55Speaker 2: said as much. Baker Mayfield's got a problem here. First
- 17:00Speaker 2: two weeks, you lose. I think we can all forgive
- 17:02Speaker 2: a game against Cincinnati in which you would lose 33-27.
- 17:07Speaker 2: But to lose to Cleveland in week two is inexcusable.
- 17:12Speaker 2: And here's the problem for Baker. Baker has been the
- 17:16Speaker 2: beneficiary of playing in the most garbage division in the
- 17:19Speaker 2: league for the last few years. The NFC South has
- 17:23Speaker 2: been an absolute dumpster fire. They have teams winning that
- 17:27Speaker 2: division with under 500 records. The Panthers just did it
- 17:33Speaker 2: at 8-9 last year. The fact that you couldn't win
- 17:36Speaker 2: in that season was embarrassing. I know that the Bucs
- 17:39Speaker 2: had a whole bunch of injuries they were dealing with.
- 17:41Speaker 2: Point is... You need to win your garbage division. And
- 17:46Speaker 2: now it feels like perhaps things have come back around
- 17:50Speaker 2: where things could get a little bit more difficult than
- 17:53Speaker 2: in the past. Just talking about Bryce Young and the
- 17:56Speaker 2: Carolina Panthers, which look like they might be a quasi-legitimate
- 18:00Speaker 2: team in the NFL this year. And I was high
- 18:03Speaker 2: in the offseason on this team, and nothing through two
- 18:05Speaker 2: weeks has changed my mind on that at all. The
- 18:09Speaker 2: New Orleans Saints... The New Orleans Saints look to be
- 18:13Speaker 2: a legitimate team with a legitimate quarterback in Tyler Shuck.
- 18:16Speaker 2: This is not some walkover in which you can fall
- 18:18Speaker 2: asleep for a month and a half during the season
- 18:21Speaker 2: and still come away the division winner. Baker Mayfield needs
- 18:24Speaker 2: to figure it out immediately. They gave him the contract,
- 18:28Speaker 2: albeit later than he wanted, but they gave it to him.
- 18:32Speaker 2: And now you have to go out, and I think
- 18:34Speaker 2: he's still got to pretend he doesn't have the deal.
- 18:36Speaker 2: He's got to play like he can get paid. big
- 18:39Speaker 2: time this offseason if he plays well, because if not,
- 18:42Speaker 2: that team's going to get run over. Not because teams
- 18:45Speaker 2: are really good in their division, but they're better. And
- 18:49Speaker 2: the Bucs have been able to be asleep at the wheel,
- 18:52Speaker 2: but it just happened to be a Waymo, and it
- 18:54Speaker 2: would somehow find their way home. Now he's got to drive.
- 18:59Speaker 2: Figure it out. Baker Mayfield gets the stock down. Non-quarterback
- 19:02Speaker 2: stock up.
- 19:04Speaker 4: A stock up for that Waymo metaphor there. That was
- 19:06Speaker 4: pretty good.
- 19:07Speaker 2: I just watched a Waymo on 9 News. I had
- 19:11Speaker 2: it on TV yesterday. A Waymo drove right through a
- 19:14Speaker 2: farmer's market. I was like, oh, it doesn't understand that
- 19:18Speaker 2: if there's no barriers, but there's just tents aligning a street,
- 19:23Speaker 2: you still can't drive through the middle of that. Okay.
- 19:28Speaker 2: Non-quarterback stock up. This is based off of just one
- 19:31Speaker 2: game because week one was not good, but it's what
- 19:34Speaker 2: I'm seeing down the line for what could be. Jalen
- 19:39Speaker 2: Waddle is going to lead the Broncos in catches and yards.
- 19:45Speaker 2: Cortland Sutton is still a good wide receiver, but I
- 19:47Speaker 2: think you've seen there was a conscious effort. in that
- 19:50Speaker 2: second game of the year to get him the football.
- 19:52Speaker 1: Why?
- 19:53Speaker 2: Because he makes cool things happen. That's not going to
- 19:57Speaker 2: go away now with somebody with the speed and athleticism
- 20:01Speaker 2: of Jalen Waddle. It's one thing to invest money in
- 20:04Speaker 2: a player. It's another thing to invest money and draft capital,
- 20:08Speaker 2: but which the Broncos did in the offseason, Jalen Waddell,
- 20:12Speaker 2: and I waffled on this decision, Waddell waffled, in the
- 20:17Speaker 2: offseason of who would be the leader in targets and
- 20:20Speaker 2: catches for the Broncos because Cortland Sutton's been that guy
- 20:23Speaker 2: for years. But there is a dynamic nature in home
- 20:27Speaker 2: run threat every time the ball is in Jalen Waddell's hands.
- 20:30Speaker 2: When he did that route on the sideline that left
- 20:34Speaker 2: a little stutter step, broke the ankles of... the defensive
- 20:38Speaker 2: back and he's wide open. There's just, there's very few
- 20:42Speaker 2: people in the league that can do stuff like that.
- 20:45Speaker 2: And I think now that we've seen in eight catch,
- 20:50Speaker 2: 138 yard game, should have had a touchdown, was brought
- 20:53Speaker 2: down at the one yard line. We've seen the capability
- 20:56Speaker 2: of it. I don't think it's going anywhere. Jalen Waddell
- 20:59Speaker 2: is going to be a guy that I think gets nine, 10, 11,
- 21:02Speaker 2: 12 targets every single week. And it should be that way.
- 21:06Speaker 2: So he gets a stock up, non-quarterback stock down. This
- 21:10Speaker 2: isn't even the fault of the player. This is the
- 21:13Speaker 2: fault of the play caller. But when you go out
- 21:17Speaker 2: in the offseason, you're like, you know what? My quarterback
- 21:19Speaker 2: has been struggling over the last few years. I have
- 21:22Speaker 2: to get him some legitimate help in the backfield. And
- 21:26Speaker 2: you trade a draft pick to go acquire David Montgomery
- 21:29Speaker 2: in Houston. You give him money. The next step to
- 21:34Speaker 2: that is let him run the football. They did so
- 21:39Speaker 2: in the first week of the season. He had 20
- 21:41Speaker 2: carries for only 60 yards, but they stuck to it.
- 21:43Speaker 2: He finished with three touchdowns. In their week two game
- 21:47Speaker 2: against Cincinnati, low-scoring game, the final score was 20-6. The
- 21:53Speaker 2: halftime score was 7-3. To only give him six carries
- 21:58Speaker 2: for 10 yards and give your running backs in general...
- 22:01Speaker 2: 12 carries on the day. That's just idiotic coaching and
- 22:09Speaker 2: idiotic play calling, especially when you combine it with the
- 22:12Speaker 2: fact of CJ Stroud is kind of ass. He needs help.
- 22:19Speaker 2: So not giving your running backs the football, especially one
- 22:22Speaker 2: that you paid for in the offseason, is silly. But
- 22:27Speaker 2: now through two weeks, David Montgomery's got 70 rushing yards
- 22:30Speaker 2: and he's averaging 2.7 yards per carry. And I think
- 22:33Speaker 2: a part of that is they are so unafraid of C.J.
- 22:36Speaker 2: Stroud throwing the football that they are selling out to
- 22:38Speaker 2: stop the run when Houston decides to do it. So
- 22:42Speaker 2: David Montgomery gets the stock down. NFL teams stock up.
- 22:46Speaker 2: This is going to be like This is going to
- 22:50Speaker 2: be like, duh. But I have to highlight this. I
- 22:54Speaker 2: know they're the defending Super Bowl champions. The fact that
- 22:57Speaker 2: the Seahawks are still playing this well with a backup
- 23:00Speaker 2: quarterback since the fifth play of the season is highly
- 23:03Speaker 2: impressive and does say a lot about their roster and
- 23:06Speaker 2: does say a lot about how that team's not going anywhere.
- 23:09Speaker 2: We love to do this in sports now when a
- 23:11Speaker 2: team wins the title. Nobody wants to do the boring
- 23:14Speaker 2: thing of saying, yeah, team who won the title last year,
- 23:18Speaker 2: still good. I think the Chargers are going to win
- 23:23Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. I think this team that nobody had
- 23:27Speaker 2: winning last year is going to be the team this year.
- 23:30Speaker 2: The boring thing is saying the defending champs are awesome.
- 23:34Speaker 2: Hate to tell you this, guys. The defending champs are awesome.
- 23:38Speaker 2: And the fact that they are winning at the rate
- 23:41Speaker 2: that they have with Drew Locke in charge. is highly impressive.
- 23:47Speaker 2: Drew Locke had 235 yards and three touchdowns in a
- 23:50Speaker 2: 31-7 win over the Cardinals. Remember that first week they're
- 23:54Speaker 2: taking on the Patriots. Weird situation where Drew Locke gets
- 23:59Speaker 2: none of the reps but steps in. He makes the
- 24:02Speaker 2: requisite plays over Drake May. The fact that they're 2-0,
- 24:05Speaker 2: I think, is really.
- 24:11Speaker 2: Really impressive through two weeks. Now they take on the
- 24:14Speaker 2: commanders in week three that don't have Jaden Daniels. They
- 24:19Speaker 2: have the chargers in week four that look to be
- 24:24Speaker 2: an incredibly awful team given how much talent they have.
- 24:29Speaker 2: Like they might start the season 4-0 and not even
- 24:32Speaker 2: need Sam Darnold. So they get the stock up. Let's
- 24:35Speaker 2: go NFL team stock down. I think it's Detroit. Detroit
- 24:40Speaker 2: cannot be taken seriously with a defense like that. And
- 24:42Speaker 2: you can have all the offensive firepower that you want
- 24:45Speaker 2: to with your Jameer Gibbses and your St. Browns and
- 24:48Speaker 2: your Laportas and Goffs and everybody else. It's not going
- 24:51Speaker 2: to matter if the opposing team scores every single drive.
- 24:55Speaker 2: And watching that Bills game, I think, was a massive
- 24:58Speaker 2: spotlight on what Detroit's problem has been over the last
- 25:02Speaker 2: couple of years, which is Your defense gets torched way
- 25:06Speaker 2: too often and gives up big plays way too often.
- 25:10Speaker 2: If you watch that Thursday night game with Josh Allen,
- 25:13Speaker 2: they could have chose whether to run or pass for
- 25:16Speaker 2: a first down on any down and distance. Josh Allen?
- 25:20Speaker 2: It looked boring to the Bills. They opened up a
- 25:23Speaker 2: brand new stadium, scored a touchdown, and there wasn't some massive,
- 25:27Speaker 2: you know.
- 25:29Speaker 2: Hump dance that they did in the end zone. They're like, yeah,
- 25:32Speaker 2: good job boys. It was almost, it looked like preseason.
- 25:35Speaker 2: And if Detroit can't make a, an average defense would
- 25:40Speaker 2: be all they need to be a legitimate contender with
- 25:43Speaker 2: their offense. They don't have it. And I don't think
- 25:45Speaker 2: they're going to have it by the end of the year.
- 25:48Speaker 2: And even the offense in that game, you look at
- 25:50Speaker 2: the final score, 41-31, it's like, wow, that game seemed
- 25:52Speaker 2: pretty close. The offense was very empty calories in that game, too.
- 25:56Speaker 2: They started the game 2-3 and outs. The Bills were
- 26:00Speaker 2: up 21-0. And then it was like, okay, well, let's
- 26:02Speaker 2: get a couple of scores to get back in the game.
- 26:05Speaker 2: Never felt legitimate. I think they have big problems that
- 26:08Speaker 2: are largely unfixable and might find themselves missing the postseason
- 26:12Speaker 2: again this year. MVP stock up. I'm going to go
- 26:18Speaker 2: back to Seattle. If JSN is going to do this
- 26:22Speaker 2: every single week, guys, it's remarkable the numbers this guy's
- 26:26Speaker 2: putting up. Remember, with a backup quarterback in the starting
- 26:31Speaker 2: lineup through two weeks, he has 17 catches for 277
- 26:36Speaker 2: yards and four touchdowns. All this guy does every week
- 26:40Speaker 2: is put up 100 yards. Do you know how many
- 26:43Speaker 2: 100-yard games he had last season? It was nine. If
- 26:52Speaker 2: you include the postseason, ten. Think about that for a second.
- 26:58Speaker 2: Ten hundred yard games last season. He's already two for
- 27:01Speaker 2: two this year. The guy seems to be unstoppable. And
- 27:07Speaker 2: through the gigantic list of wide receivers that have gone
- 27:11Speaker 2: through Ohio State. JSN might be the best of the bunch.
- 27:17Speaker 2: He might be the one that out of all the
- 27:20Speaker 2: people that have run through there and the super talented
- 27:23Speaker 2: wide receivers that have existed over the last few years
- 27:26Speaker 2: at Ohio State, I don't think anybody's touching the production
- 27:30Speaker 2: that this guy is putting up. So JSN, if he
- 27:33Speaker 2: continues at this rate, I know that the MVP is
- 27:36Speaker 2: a quarterback sort of gifted award. It will be undeniable
- 27:42Speaker 2: if this guy finishes with 2,000 yards and 18 touchdowns.
- 27:47Speaker 2: He would have to be the dude. So MVP stocked down. Again,
- 27:53Speaker 2: no fault of his own, but I think there was
- 27:55Speaker 2: going to be a really good shot that Caleb Williams
- 27:58Speaker 2: could be the MVP of this league. Even before the injury,
- 28:03Speaker 2: and we don't know how much time he's going to miss.
- 28:04Speaker 2: They say there might be a chance he plays this weekend.
- 28:07Speaker 2: I highly doubt this weekend, maybe next week. But he was,
- 28:12Speaker 2: if you're going to be one of the best scoring
- 28:14Speaker 2: offenses in the league, and you're the quarterback of one
- 28:16Speaker 2: of the best scoring offenses in the league, and on
- 28:18Speaker 2: top of that, you play in a market that seems
- 28:22Speaker 2: to have this little engine that could thing in Chicago,
- 28:25Speaker 2: and it feels like people in the national media want
- 28:28Speaker 2: to root for you. I think he had a really
- 28:30Speaker 2: good shot to win this. Now, he put up a
- 28:34Speaker 2: performance in that game where they only scored three points,
- 28:37Speaker 2: number one. Number two, he's going to miss some time
- 28:40Speaker 2: with an injury. And number three, and I mean it,
- 28:43Speaker 2: I think getting carded off the field that way and
- 28:46Speaker 2: then maybe being able to play the following week has
- 28:48Speaker 2: rubbed people the wrong way. I've made fun of it.
- 28:50Speaker 2: It doesn't bother me. I think it's funny. I think
- 28:53Speaker 2: it did bother some people where they're like, really? And
- 28:58Speaker 2: it's going to be hard to shake whatever narrative comes
- 29:01Speaker 2: out of that off of you because now you're looking
- 29:05Speaker 2: at a perception of That is going to be really
- 29:12Speaker 2: hard to change over time. So he gets the MVP
- 29:17Speaker 2: stock down. Best game of the week. Oh, yes. Couple options.
- 29:23Speaker 2: I think the best one was Sunday night. Colts and
- 29:25Speaker 2: Chiefs goes to overtime back and forth. Never had a
- 29:29Speaker 2: real read of who was in control of that game.
- 29:31Speaker 2: At times, it felt like it was Kansas City, and
- 29:33Speaker 2: then the Colts would battle their way back, and then
- 29:37Speaker 2: the Colts would get a lead, and Kansas City would
- 29:39Speaker 2: battle their way back and made everything for a great
- 29:41Speaker 2: football game. You go to OT, both teams get a possession,
- 29:45Speaker 2: both teams score on the possession and Kansas City ices
- 29:49Speaker 2: it 33 to 30. As much as I hate that
- 29:51Speaker 2: the Chiefs won, You had everything. You had controversial calls late. Like,
- 29:56Speaker 2: everything that made for the drama in theater of a
- 29:58Speaker 2: great football game, Chiefs and Colts were the best. Worst
- 30:01Speaker 2: game of the week. Oh, my God. I have a
- 30:08Speaker 2: strange feeling here. And the only thing that can change
- 30:11Speaker 2: this is perhaps Michael Penix not dying on the football
- 30:14Speaker 2: field from an injury standpoint. It might just have to
- 30:17Speaker 2: be the Falcons game every single week because that is,
- 30:19Speaker 2: when you are a team that has not run a
- 30:22Speaker 2: play in the red zone through two weeks, that is
- 30:25Speaker 2: unwatchable football. And a 34-3 loss to the Carolina Panthers
- 30:30Speaker 2: was an unwatchable football game. And this comes, you guys
- 30:36Speaker 2: know my bias in this. Have you been listening to
- 30:37Speaker 2: Stock Up, Stock Down for any amount of time? If
- 30:40Speaker 2: you give me a game in which both teams score
- 30:43Speaker 2: less than 10 points, that is usually an automatic on this.
- 30:48Speaker 2: And that was the Vikings and the Bears. But the
- 30:50Speaker 2: Falcons are so terrible, it has to be the worst
- 30:53Speaker 2: game of the week. At least that game was close.
- 30:58Speaker 2: There you go. Every week, we do NFL Stock Up,
- 31:00Speaker 2: Stock Down following the football weekend as we broadcast from
- 31:03Speaker 2: the Backus and Shanker studios. Serious lawyers for the seriously
- 31:06Speaker 2: injured back after this. Sorry, Nelly. That was a miscommunication
- 31:09Speaker 2: on my part. When Nelly said, I'm going to come
- 31:12Speaker 2: back with Michael McDonald, I thought he was coming back
- 31:16Speaker 2: with the audio of Michael McDonald, but he came back
- 31:18Speaker 2: with a song from Michael McDonald. No, I got it.
- 31:22Speaker 2: I got the clip. I just thought you were going
- 31:24Speaker 2: to come back with the audio. Oh, no, no, no.
- 31:26Speaker 2: You're just going to come back with Michael McDonald. I
- 31:28Speaker 2: got it.
- 31:28Speaker 6: Both?
- 31:29Speaker 3: Both is good.
- 31:33Speaker 2: There's two things I got to play for you on
- 31:35Speaker 2: the way out of the appetizer today because I think
- 31:37Speaker 2: they're both incredibly stupid. So this is Michael McDonald, the
- 31:40Speaker 2: Seattle Seahawks head coach, talking with Graham Basinger. By the way,
- 31:47Speaker 2: that is going to Sam Ellinger has messed me up
- 31:50Speaker 2: for life on whether I'm going with the J or
- 31:52Speaker 2: the G. In any name like that.
- 31:55Speaker 3: And there's also an N in there, Graham Bensinger.
- 31:58Speaker 2: Yeah, Bensinger. But is it Kim Basinger?
- 32:02Speaker 3: Basinger, yeah.
- 32:03Speaker 2: Basinger? Is that Basinger?
- 32:05Speaker 3: I don't believe so.
- 32:07Speaker 2: See, I'm done forever on this. Now, he's talking to
- 32:11Speaker 2: him about Sean Payton and Sean Payton with an accusation
- 32:14Speaker 2: from a couple years ago. Here's what he said.
- 32:16Speaker 6: So, our first year, and so we played in our
- 32:19Speaker 6: first game. You know, fans will, like, tape. or like
- 32:22Speaker 6: post plays from training camp on Twitter. And so it's
- 32:26Speaker 6: like public.
- 32:27Speaker 2: Right.
- 32:27Speaker 6: So we took like a hundred plays from their training camp.
- 32:31Speaker 5: Good for you.
- 32:32Speaker 6: We're like scouting them, you know, and like, anyways, he
- 32:34Speaker 6: got wind of it and he like lost him. It's
- 32:36Speaker 6: like middle of the season and like, and we're, and
- 32:39Speaker 6: we won the game. So like, and we're, and we
- 32:41Speaker 6: were in the fight like our first year. And so
- 32:42Speaker 6: he called Johnny basically like threatened to come out publicly
- 32:46Speaker 6: and do it like a whole Patriot, like Spygate type
- 32:48Speaker 6: of thing.
- 32:49Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 32:49Speaker 6: I'm sitting there like, oh my God.
- 32:51Speaker 5: I'm like, we didn't cheat.
- 32:52Speaker 6: Like, you know, we thought it was a Michigan thing
- 32:54Speaker 6: where we had a plant and the whole thing. And
- 32:56Speaker 6: we're like, so we had to like counter with him to.
- 32:58Speaker 2: No, really.
- 32:59Speaker 6: Say like, hey, look, if you come out of this,
- 33:00Speaker 6: like we're going to sue you because it's not true,
- 33:02Speaker 6: you know?
- 33:02Speaker 2: Right. So this is back in 2024. This is Bo
- 33:07Speaker 2: Nix's first game. And guys, let me just say something
- 33:10Speaker 2: right now. I think all of this is so silly.
- 33:15Speaker 2: We've watched training camp. You guys have been allowed at
- 33:18Speaker 2: training camp. If they got the videos and you can
- 33:20Speaker 2: see all the signs now, like if you went to
- 33:22Speaker 2: training camp this year, last year, I'll tell you this Nelly,
- 33:26Speaker 2: when we do the show out there from training camp,
- 33:28Speaker 2: if I go on my phone to check a text message,
- 33:31Speaker 2: I feel a red dot on my forehead. Okay. I
- 33:36Speaker 2: feel like I feel that there is a sniper scope
- 33:38Speaker 2: that is planted in between my teeth.
- 33:40Speaker 5: Okay.
- 33:42Speaker 2: And you have signs, even in the big bleachers that
- 33:44Speaker 2: were there this year, you see all those signs that say,
- 33:47Speaker 2: absolutely no film, no cameras, no photos, no video. If
- 33:54Speaker 2: you think that you lost because they took some fan
- 33:57Speaker 2: video from training camp, you weren't well enough prepared anyway.
- 34:04Speaker 2: You want to know why the Broncos lost to the
- 34:05Speaker 2: Seahawks that first game of the year in 2024? Because
- 34:10Speaker 2: it was Bo Nix's first game. And the Seahawks are
- 34:16Speaker 2: good defensively. And Bo Nix struggled because he never played
- 34:20Speaker 2: in an NFL game before. That's why. And I just
- 34:23Speaker 2: think it's so silly. And I know it's, oh man,
- 34:27Speaker 2: the lengths that these coaches will go. What do you
- 34:30Speaker 2: think the Seahawks gleaned from this? Courtland Sutton is lined
- 34:34Speaker 2: up wide.
- 34:36Speaker 5: Cool.
- 34:40Speaker 2: Am I wrong here? I know you want to get
- 34:44Speaker 2: every inch of advantage that you can against your opponent.
- 34:49Speaker 2: But if we're losing football games and you think the
- 34:52Speaker 2: reason behind that is because they saw some video that
- 34:55Speaker 2: a fan took from training camp of you guys going
- 34:57Speaker 2: 50% on a play, then I don't think that's good
- 35:02Speaker 2: enough anyway.
- 35:03Speaker 4: And also, are these fans Martin Scorsese? I mean, who's...
- 35:08Speaker 4: filming these plays good enough that you can ascertain the
- 35:10Speaker 4: entire game. Yeah. I, you know, somebody from the, from
- 35:13Speaker 4: the back of the bleachers with their phone out, grabbing some,
- 35:16Speaker 4: some grainy Zapruder film of one play is, is enough
- 35:20Speaker 4: to ruin your whole game plan.
- 35:21Speaker 2: Exactly. I think the entire thing is silly. And I
- 35:24Speaker 2: actually agree with Michael McDonald here. And, and the fact that,
- 35:30Speaker 2: that Peyton would go and the Broncos, if this is true,
- 35:33Speaker 2: it would go to the lengths of like, uh, we
- 35:35Speaker 2: want to get you guys punished for this.
- 35:37Speaker 5: Ugh.
- 35:39Speaker 2: It just feels really weak to me. And this feels
- 35:42Speaker 2: equally as weak. So Arch Manning, who again, I feel
- 35:48Speaker 2: kind of bad for Arch just in a sense that
- 35:50Speaker 2: he was anointed the number one overall pick when he
- 35:53Speaker 2: was a high school player. And I think that is
- 35:55Speaker 2: really unfair to do to somebody. And I think that
- 35:57Speaker 2: Arch Manning is a good player. But he is not
- 35:59Speaker 2: anywhere near, I think, the level that people talk about
- 36:02Speaker 2: him of like surefire number one overall. I mean, hell,
- 36:06Speaker 2: we'll talk to Legwald tomorrow. I don't know what kind
- 36:09Speaker 2: of deep dive he's done into next year's draft class,
- 36:12Speaker 2: but I do want to ask him what he thinks
- 36:13Speaker 2: of Arch Manning as far as that perspective. But Holly
- 36:21Speaker 2: Rowe last week, Texas and Ohio State, she tried to
- 36:26Speaker 2: talk to Sark and Sark was very dismissive of her
- 36:29Speaker 2: and just yelled like hook them and ran away.
- 36:32Speaker 4: And there was some context to that, because they were
- 36:33Speaker 4: trying to do an interview with him at halftime.
- 36:36Speaker 2: But he waited a long time.
- 36:37Speaker 4: Yeah, and they had technical issues, and he waited a
- 36:39Speaker 4: long time, and then eventually he just dipped. So after
- 36:42Speaker 4: the game, they were going to do a walk-off, and
- 36:44Speaker 4: that's when he was like, hook him, and he left.
- 36:46Speaker 4: And so Holly Rowe came out and said, it's fine.
- 36:49Speaker 3: Like, I'm not mad at him. We had all these
- 36:50Speaker 3: technical issues. It's okay.
- 36:52Speaker 2: And by the way, Holly Rowe, I hate when people
- 36:56Speaker 2: do this. I think she's excellent. I think she's really good. Okay.
- 37:00Speaker 2: You watch her. She does a million different things, whether
- 37:03Speaker 2: it's that, whether it's the women's college world series and softball,
- 37:05Speaker 2: she does a lot of different things. I think she's
- 37:07Speaker 2: really good at her job. And people go to that
- 37:11Speaker 2: loser behavior of like judging a person's looks. And I
- 37:16Speaker 2: get it. It's television. We do this a lot. Felt
- 37:20Speaker 2: very over the top for Holly row. Like, one of
- 37:23Speaker 2: my favorite guys calling a game is Jason Bendetti out
- 37:26Speaker 2: of Detroit. He calls Tigers games and does a lot
- 37:28Speaker 2: of national broadcasts. I think he's one of the best
- 37:31Speaker 2: at doing that. Not exactly Brad Pitt, okay? All respect
- 37:34Speaker 2: to him. I'm not Brad Pitt. Point is, after that,
- 37:40Speaker 2: a Texas fan or somebody made an AI video of,
- 37:44Speaker 2: you know, one of those stupid things.
- 37:48Speaker 5: Sark.
- 37:50Speaker 2: AI slaps Holly Roe and she goes like flying out
- 37:53Speaker 2: of the universe or something like that. To which Arch
- 37:57Speaker 2: Manning laughed at it. That's his crime. He royally messed
- 38:05Speaker 2: up because he laughed at a fake AI video.
- 38:09Speaker 3: And then he brought it up in a press conference.
- 38:11Speaker 3: That was the problem.
- 38:12Speaker 2: Well, they asked him, have you seen some of the
- 38:15Speaker 2: memes that came out of the game? And he goes,
- 38:17Speaker 2: I saw the one with Holly Roe. And he went, ha, ha, ha, ha.
- 38:21Speaker 2: That's all he did. That's all he did. And everybody's like,
- 38:26Speaker 2: how dare you laugh at a video of violence. It's fake.
- 38:32Speaker 2: It's fake. And so now, when he's asked questions at
- 38:37Speaker 2: a press conference, this is 19 different answers, all compiled back-to-back-to-back.
- 38:41Speaker 2: Here's what it sounded like. No, not much.
- 38:43Speaker 5: No, I'm sure I will this week. Yeah, definitely excited
- 38:45Speaker 5: to play. Hostile environment, SEC road game. That's what it's
- 38:49Speaker 5: all about.
- 38:49Speaker 2: I think so.
- 38:51Speaker 5: Just being kind of us-against-the-world mentality. Just trying to find
- 38:53Speaker 5: that in practice this week, be consistent in practice. Excited
- 38:57Speaker 5: for this challenge. No, just never visiting. Josh does a
- 38:59Speaker 5: good job using his legs when he needs to. I
- 39:02Speaker 5: think sometimes I... don't need to.
- 39:04Speaker 2: Take these 19 different answers for a grand total of
- 39:06Speaker 2: 56 seconds. So he's obviously, he's either been told this
- 39:10Speaker 2: or he has been so pissed at the backlash that
- 39:12Speaker 2: he's gotten that he's like, well, then I just won't
- 39:13Speaker 2: say anything at all. The equivalent of people being mad
- 39:17Speaker 2: over laughing at an AI video would be like when
- 39:22Speaker 2: you watch Britney Spears, get her head ripped off in
- 39:25Speaker 2: celebrity Deathmatch and saying that it's rude to laugh at.
- 39:29Speaker 2: They made an entire television show off of celebrities being
- 39:34Speaker 2: killed in a wrestling ring with clay figures. Like, is this.
- 39:44Speaker 2: Am I wrong here? And tell me if I am.
- 39:46Speaker 2: Maybe I'm off base. Maybe I'm just like Arch Manning
- 39:50Speaker 2: and I deserve a talking to for this. I have
- 39:52Speaker 2: no idea. I think it's okay to laugh at a
- 39:58Speaker 2: fake video of sports. I'll be honest with you guys.
- 40:08Speaker 2: There was a lot of videos about Caleb Williams that
- 40:11Speaker 2: I've seen that were AI. that I giggled at over
- 40:14Speaker 2: the last few days. Like, he had to make a
- 40:22Speaker 2: statement and Holly Rowe had to make a statement of, well,
- 40:26Speaker 2: here's my perspective. There's no perspective. It's a fake video.
- 40:31Speaker 2: I'll tell you this, Nelly. If Sark hauled off and
- 40:35Speaker 2: smacked Holly Rowe in the face in real life and
- 40:39Speaker 2: you laughed at the video, you're a bleep hole.
- 40:41Speaker 5: Okay?
- 40:44Speaker 2: If it's AI, I think it's fine because it's not real.
- 40:53Speaker 2: And this isn't even to mention what happened yesterday in,
- 40:56Speaker 2: in Boulder, which is the kid who said Northwestern sounds
- 41:00Speaker 2: like a bleeping library. What was his name again? Who
- 41:02Speaker 2: was that guy?
- 41:04Speaker 3: I don't know. Dewey Decimal was his name, I believe.
- 41:07Speaker 2: Whoever that player was for CU, Dion made him apologize.
- 41:11Speaker 3: Ben Finneseth?
- 41:12Speaker 5: Yes.
- 41:13Speaker 2: And Dion made him apologize like that. The same thing.
- 41:16Speaker 2: I was like, who cares? They're playing a football game.
- 41:24Speaker 2: They aren't supposed to like the opponent or the place
- 41:27Speaker 2: that they play. I just, what's happening here?
- 41:30Speaker 3: What are we doing?
- 41:31Speaker 4: And, I mean, you're trying to get your team psyched,
- 41:34Speaker 4: fired up for the game any way you can, making
- 41:36Speaker 4: fun of the tiny stadium you're playing in.
- 41:38Speaker 3: Like, that's fine.
- 41:39Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 41:41Speaker 2: And, look, here's the worst part about the Finissette thing.
- 41:45Speaker 2: You got your butt kicked. That's why it matters. Seth
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