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Body Bags With Joseph Scott Morgan: Is Kohberger the New "OJ"? Did Defense Find The "Real Killer"? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Body bats. But Joseph's gotten more, Dave. I've got to
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Speaker 1: say with Coburger, one of the things that has come
0:10
Speaker 1: up relative to this dateline special is that the judge,
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Speaker 1: to say the very least ain't happy. Ain't happy at all,
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Speaker 1: you know. And there are reasons that judges do things,
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Speaker 1: and they put this gag order in place because of
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Speaker 1: the sensitive nature of it, because they know that the
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Speaker 1: media is all over it. There is a temptation that
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Speaker 1: abounds out there when you have information and money that
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Speaker 1: can be injected into a circumstance that would draw some
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Speaker 1: Now I'm not saying that anyone is on the take, however,
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Speaker 1: I am just saying when those bright lights are shone
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Speaker 1: upon you, and I'm talking about from the media, and
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Speaker 1: you're in some kind of job where you otherwise wouldn't
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Speaker 1: have any attention at all, and you get the really
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Speaker 1: important people from New York, They're going to show you
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Speaker 1: some attention and show you value. It's I tell you, man,
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Speaker 1: it is a fruit of the poisonous tree. It truly is,
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Speaker 1: and and it's a dangerous thing. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan
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Speaker 1: and this is body bags. Do judge wants somebody's hide
1:45
Speaker 1: in this case, Dave.
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Speaker 2: And I don't know if he's going to get it
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Speaker 2: or not, Joe. But when I from the very beginning
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Speaker 2: of this case, they've done things there that were just
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Speaker 2: patently wrong. From the very first thing that we heard
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Speaker 2: from the county coroner. It wasn't a medical examiner, right,
2:09
Speaker 2: it was a coroner.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there was an elected lawyer.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it was. And we've got we had
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Speaker 2: all those shenanigans right at the very beginning. We had
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Speaker 2: a number of social media people that were making accusations
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Speaker 2: and a lot of crazy stuff was going on. But
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Speaker 2: you still had four college aged students who were murdered
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Speaker 2: in the house, in a party house, and there are
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Speaker 2: still questions that a lot of us have about what
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Speaker 2: took place and why we don't have certain information. By
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Speaker 2: the way, nobody owes me any information they owe the families.
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Speaker 2: I think I've got a real problem with them tearing
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Speaker 2: the house down. You know, they've torn down evidence, and
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Speaker 2: so the judge can be as mad as he wants
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Speaker 2: about things getting out, but they've set it up to
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Speaker 2: be like this. I mean, they have destroyed this case
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Speaker 2: to the point where I'm gonna be honest, Joe, I'm
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Speaker 2: really bothered by the fact that they tore that house down.
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Speaker 1: I really am that, you know at this point. Sometimes
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Speaker 1: I think about this and I think about the journey
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Speaker 1: that we've been on. Now we're in twenty five, coming
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Speaker 1: up on the thirty year anniversary this upcoming November, and
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Speaker 1: I've been covering it since immediately the day after I
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Speaker 1: started appearing on air. And I got to tell you, right,
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Speaker 1: Sometimes I've looked at the scene and it seems as
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Speaker 1: though for the prosecution, and I guess the judge by extension,
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Speaker 1: because as judge was like introduced into this, he's not
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Speaker 1: who they started out with. It's almost like trying to
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Speaker 1: tape together Jello. Sometimes you look at it and it's
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Speaker 1: just so you really wonder how this thing is going
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Speaker 1: to come out. And here's the problem that you hear,
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Speaker 1: and it's something I've heard for years and years. You know,
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Speaker 1: I might and even when I was a practitioner. If
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Speaker 1: you go to a party or something and somebody mentions
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Speaker 1: a case to you that they've heard about in the news,
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Speaker 1: and they say, well, if it was me that guy,
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Speaker 1: would you know, we'd hang him on a sour apple Tree.
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Speaker 1: You know that's what I would do, and you hear
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Speaker 1: that all the time. Well, that's all find good. You
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Speaker 1: can say that. But the problem with being that cock
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Speaker 1: sure about something and that reactive and not being purposed
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Speaker 1: in what you do just to think that you're gonna
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Speaker 1: win because the guy looks creepy, or that you have
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Speaker 1: some physical evidence, you have some electronic that that doesn't
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Speaker 1: render a verdict. And the course don't care what you
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Speaker 1: or I think or the general public. There's a set
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Speaker 1: of rules that you have to play by. And wouldn't
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Speaker 1: that be the ultimate insult to these families if because
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Speaker 1: you know this kind of slipshod way that apparently this
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Speaker 1: is being played out before us, that this actually risks
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Speaker 1: the trial. I heard I was talking to somebody the
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Speaker 1: other day and for the life of me, I can't remember.
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Speaker 1: It was an attorney and it was in the wake
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Speaker 1: of this, And one of the things that came ups is,
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Speaker 1: you know, it's not necessarily going to harm the trial itself.
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Speaker 1: The evidence will be presented and if it's persuasive enough
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Speaker 1: for a jury, they will find him guilty as charged. Okay,
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Speaker 1: But even if he is found guilty, this attorney friend
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Speaker 1: of mine. They hold that it's not that you have
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Speaker 1: to worry about. You have to worry about the fact
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Speaker 1: that he might have a real shot at an appeal,
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Speaker 1: like a serious shot, because of everything that happened beforehand,
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Speaker 1: you know, because this is a this is a this
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Speaker 1: is a freight train. We're standing in the middle of
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Speaker 1: the of the tracks right now that's headed towards it's
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Speaker 1: not going to swerve. You have to get out of
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Speaker 1: the way of it. It's coming one way or another.
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Speaker 1: The only thing that could happen is I guess that
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Speaker 1: they could say, we want to, you know, move the
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Speaker 1: trial date for some reason, but I can't see why
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Speaker 1: they would do that. But yeah, this is a this
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Speaker 1: is a huge mess that has been created. And look
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Speaker 1: ABC Dateline. They can say all they want to, you know,
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Speaker 1: freedom of the press, that we have to protect our sources. Well,
6:19
Speaker 1: here's the problem. This is not actual reporting. Yeah, this
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Speaker 1: is meddling at this point in time. Those are two
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Speaker 1: separate things completely.
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Speaker 2: Somebody in there gave information they weren't supposed to give.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and when you look, Dave, let me ask you this.
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Speaker 1: Just let me ask you. I want to hear your
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Speaker 1: reaction when you consider the data that they put out
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Speaker 1: on Dateline. If you had to hazard a guess, we
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Speaker 1: don't know any more than anybody else, But if you
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Speaker 1: had to hazard a guess, given the nature of this information,
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Speaker 1: who would be on your likely list of suspects? And
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Speaker 1: you don't have to name a specific person, just what
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Speaker 1: would if it is from within the law enforcement or
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Speaker 1: proscatorial environment, what division within that do you think would
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Speaker 1: be the most likely candidate?
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Speaker 2: You know, when you're looking at what we're talking about here. Yes,
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Speaker 2: you have the alleged cell phone activity of Bran Kobert
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Speaker 2: that was not public knowledge, that was in the Dayline episode.
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Speaker 2: You have the searches that included you the podcast Ted
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Speaker 2: Bundy and other Porne the cell phone things that we.
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Speaker 1: Wait, hang on, you've coupled me with Ted Bundy and
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Speaker 1: porn Now, thanks Dave. I appreciate part of the investigation.
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Speaker 2: But there were gruesome details about the crime scene that
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Speaker 2: also became public after the Dayline showed. For instance, Ethan
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Speaker 2: was Ethan Chapin was we were led to, We were
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Speaker 2: told he was, he was already asleep and when he
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Speaker 2: was killed, he was asleep. But then we find out
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Speaker 2: that he's had his leg carved something in his leg,
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Speaker 2: And the way they've made it sound is that he
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Speaker 2: was alive when that happened, but it didn't wake him up.
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Speaker 2: That's you know, I don't know how that's possible.
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Speaker 1: But I don't either. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So, but again, this is information that was not available
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Speaker 2: outside of a very small group of people. And I'm
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Speaker 2: thinking somebody in the Sheriff's department, the police department, somebody
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Speaker 2: in there and Underlin. Probably it's not going to be
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Speaker 2: anybody that's had a career up to this point. It's
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Speaker 2: going to be somebody that probably has a friend.
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Speaker 1: Yeah there, and you know, one of these things with hey,
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Speaker 1: let me let me show you this, yeah, you know, yeah,
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Speaker 1: and that sort of thing, and then they just continue
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Speaker 1: to feed them. I don't have anything to back that up. Now.
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Speaker 1: All of this stuff is you know, look, I know
9:05
Speaker 1: because there was an other thing that came out. I
9:08
Speaker 1: was reflecting on this, and I don't know if we
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Speaker 1: have mentioned this, but I think that they had mentioned
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Speaker 1: that someone had sat, perhaps the perpetrator had sat in
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Speaker 1: the chair in the room with the girls upstairs, and
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Speaker 1: that implies that some kind of trace element was left
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Speaker 1: behind and may have been on that individual. But a
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Speaker 1: lot of the stuff, particularly images, yeah, movement that, Oh
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Speaker 1: my gosh, that video, that new video that has popped up,
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Speaker 1: you know with the vehicle. We've never seen that before.
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Speaker 1: I mean, that was something that was like really held
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Speaker 1: close to the vest I don't know. The smacks of
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Speaker 1: digital to me, Dave. It really does like somebody that
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Speaker 1: would have access to that specific data everything.
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Speaker 2: You're right, everything you're talking about, Yeah, you're right, Okay, yeah,
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Speaker 2: file it's a file on somebody's laptop, somebody's desk that
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Speaker 2: they shouldn't have had.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and how does it how does it make it
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Speaker 1: into the hands of a Dateline producer? You know, I
10:16
Speaker 1: don't I don't understand that. And you know, look, you
10:18
Speaker 1: see the people on the screen that appear you know
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Speaker 1: for Dateline. That's that's not who's driving the ship on
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Speaker 1: those things. I hate to you know, I hate to
10:29
Speaker 1: burst everybody's bubble. Like if you sit at home, you
10:32
Speaker 1: scream at the screen because you see some talking head
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Speaker 1: that's giving you information. They're not driving the ship. It's
10:37
Speaker 1: the producers that drive the ship. Uh, you know, from
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Speaker 1: beginning to end, that's how this works. Trust me, I've
10:45
Speaker 1: been involved with media now for a long time. But
10:49
Speaker 1: the idea that you would take a case that has
10:53
Speaker 1: that's not even near being adjudicated at this point in
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Speaker 1: time and you would populate airways with this and and
11:02
Speaker 1: it will still be bad, but it's not like it was.
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Speaker 1: It was done on the local public public television channel
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Speaker 1: at eleven o'clock at night. You're talking about Dateline, and
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Speaker 1: everybody in true crime, I mean has watched Dateline at
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Speaker 1: one point in time. They all have their favorite person
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Speaker 1: that's on Dateline.
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Speaker 2: You know, you know it's interesting you. It's so funny, Joe,
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Speaker 2: because something you just said is something that doesn't happen anymore.
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Speaker 2: It's not something that just popped up for thirty seconds
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Speaker 2: on a local television station at eleven o'clock at night.
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Speaker 2: Because now everything's viral. Everything is everything, no matter where
11:41
Speaker 2: you are, if it's on the line, if it's on somewhere,
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Speaker 2: everybody has it. My neighbors across the street when this
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Speaker 2: story first broke, having a daughter in that age group,
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Speaker 2: they became an just all about the story and they
11:55
Speaker 2: were telling me about things that were going on with it,
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Speaker 2: and I was like, where are you getting this? They
12:00
Speaker 2: would tell me I'm like, I don't think that's accurate,
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Speaker 2: you know, And I would go back and check my
12:04
Speaker 2: notes to see what we had, and I do know
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Speaker 2: how you get information from a local source. I've chosen
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Speaker 2: not to go down that path in my life because
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Speaker 2: it only hurts people. It doesn't help you along the way.
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Speaker 2: You don't when you're not you're gonna brown nose your
12:22
Speaker 2: career like that. It's not a way to live. I
12:23
Speaker 2: will tell you I learned I watched when the Natalie
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Speaker 2: Holloway case broke because it happened. I was on the
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Speaker 2: air in Birmingham, Alabama at the time when that story broke,
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Speaker 2: and was very involved in a lot of that early
12:37
Speaker 2: coverage in terms of national media coming in and using
12:41
Speaker 2: local people, local media people. And I didn't tell them Jack,
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Speaker 2: because they wanted information. They wanted private personal information about people.
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Speaker 2: And you're talking about this is somebody's daughter, man, this
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Speaker 2: is somebody, This is a person. This is not a story.
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Speaker 2: Same thing is true here. It's why you dealt with
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Speaker 2: such kick glove at this story when you were covering
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Speaker 2: it and talking about the students that were involved. So
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Speaker 2: for somebody, whether it's Dateline, NBC or primetime or whatever
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Speaker 2: to go after this story knowing what's at stake, and
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Speaker 2: to get stuff and put it on the air knowing
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Speaker 2: it's wrong. Everybody knows there's a gag order. You're not
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Speaker 2: supposed to have this information. No, if you truly care
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Speaker 2: about the law, you don't do this.
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Speaker 1: No, you don't. And listen the investigators that worked this case,
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Speaker 1: and it's a multi agency event that took place. You've
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Speaker 1: even got the FEDS involved in it. Yeah. I have
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Speaker 1: made my comments about the house, it being gone, some
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Speaker 1: of the things I saw procedurally with the evidence, you know,
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Speaker 1: I think the thing stands out in my mind is
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Speaker 1: that mattress being driven down the road in the back
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Speaker 1: of a pickup truck. Uncovered.
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Speaker 2: Go back, go back to that, Joe, explain what you
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Speaker 2: just said. For those who didn't catch that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was the image of they had
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Speaker 1: a pickup truck that was backed up to the door
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Speaker 1: and the police had loaded in a bear mattress into
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Speaker 1: the back of that truck. And I had to, you know,
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Speaker 1: shake the cob webs out of my head and try
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Speaker 1: to take the measure of what I was seeing, because
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Speaker 1: it didn't it didn't compute you know, I'm thinking, wait,
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Speaker 1: it's snowing up there, debris is blowing about, and you've
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Speaker 1: got a mattress that's going and I'm assuming that, since
14:31
Speaker 1: so much of this case involves bedrooms, that that mattress
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Speaker 1: held a certain level of evidentiary value. And we got
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Speaker 1: it in the back of a pickup truck and you're
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Speaker 1: hauling away. I mean, I've worked around, I've worked around
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Speaker 1: several police agencies that were very poor, but they had vans.
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Speaker 1: You know, at least in a van, you've got this
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Speaker 1: thing shut up in the back and it's protected, and
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Speaker 1: there's there's a way, Yes, there's even a way to
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Speaker 1: package a mattress in our world. You know, I even
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Speaker 1: looked back to you talk about a big misstep with this.
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Speaker 1: You know, I think I don't think Coburger had been
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Speaker 1: extradited back to Idaho at this point, but he had
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Speaker 1: retained counsel, and I think that the council he had
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Speaker 1: retained was in Pennsylvania. And do you remember this brother,
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Speaker 1: where they said they they were going to release the
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Speaker 1: scene and have it cleaned, and the Coburger's council at
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Speaker 1: that time was like no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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Speaker 1: Remember they had the people were in the Tavik suits
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Speaker 1: outside of the house, and they had put the plastic
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Speaker 1: up over the door so the guys that do the
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Speaker 1: crime scene cleaning could go in and clean, right, and
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Speaker 1: his team his team at that time, and I think
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Speaker 1: he was if I remember correctly, I think he was
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Speaker 1: still in Pennsylvania the time. They said, whoa, hold your horses.
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Speaker 1: We've got our own investigators that we want to send
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Speaker 1: there that want to appreciate it, all those sorts of things.
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Speaker 1: And they still had they still had like the plastic
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Speaker 1: they create, like this plastic tunnel on the outside of
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Speaker 1: the door that you kind of walk in. You're wearing
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Speaker 1: the respirator and all that stuff, and you're going to
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Speaker 1: go in and clean. It's just the way they do things.
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Speaker 1: And they had to put the kibosh on that and
16:36
Speaker 1: step away from it so that their people could go
16:38
Speaker 1: and do their own observations and listen. I understand that
16:42
Speaker 1: people are frustrated with this, and they'll say, well, they
16:44
Speaker 1: you know tough, you know they didn't. No, no, no,
16:47
Speaker 1: you have to make it an even playing field. You
16:50
Speaker 1: have to look at their sports analogies are rife in
16:52
Speaker 1: this thing. You have to have an equal playing field
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Speaker 1: in this and you know, the judge is acting as
16:58
Speaker 1: a referee in an umpire and they call the shots
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Speaker 1: along the way, and it has to remain balanced because
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Speaker 1: in the end, and I don't necessarily think that true
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Speaker 1: justice in this world actually exists, but if you want
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Speaker 1: some semblance of justice and certainly scientific truth from my perspective,
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Speaker 1: everybody has to have Everybody has to have a clean
17:21
Speaker 1: swing if you will, they have to have their own
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Speaker 1: shot at it. Because that's the way our courts are
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Speaker 1: set up. I know it's frustrating, but that's the way
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Speaker 1: it works.
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Speaker 2: Does it bother you that Ann Taylor, the public defender
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Speaker 2: who became Brian Coberger's public defender only after she unloaded
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Speaker 2: Xander Canodle's biological mother, who she had represented multiple times.
17:46
Speaker 2: How is that possible that a victim's mother is your
17:50
Speaker 2: client that you have represented on drug charges and other Yeah,
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Speaker 2: and you, because you know what this case means, are
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Speaker 2: able to finagle the so you can be named public
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Speaker 2: defender for Brian Coberger.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't necessarily yeah, look, hey, it doesn't necessarily make
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Speaker 1: me happy, but look, this is kind of hand handed.
18:14
Speaker 1: But I got to tell you that's between her and
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Speaker 1: the Bar of Idaho and her relationship with God. You know,
18:26
Speaker 1: you know, like, how do you feel about it? Well,
18:28
Speaker 1: I have no there I have no moral compunction overdoing
18:32
Speaker 1: this whatsoever. And yeah, it's smarmy. I mean, there's there's
18:35
Speaker 1: a certain level to that that's distasteful. But she's a
18:38
Speaker 1: practicing attorney and if if the bar says it's okay
18:41
Speaker 1: for her to do it, go ahead and do it.
18:44
Speaker 1: Knock yourself out. But you know, and she's going to
18:48
Speaker 1: get us. And she has gotten a certain amount of
18:50
Speaker 1: recognition for this. Yeah, and I know everybody wants to
18:53
Speaker 1: think that. You know that you're crusading for justice, and
18:56
Speaker 1: this can apply to both prosecution and defense. You're crusading
18:59
Speaker 1: for justice. You're there to help people and all this stuff.
19:03
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, you know, it's like
19:05
Speaker 1: driving down the road and you see, you know, in
19:07
Speaker 1: our in our state, it's well I won't say the name.
19:10
Speaker 1: I'm not going to give them free advertisement, but you
19:11
Speaker 1: drive down the road and it says you've been in
19:13
Speaker 1: a car accident. Call us. You know that's what we're
19:16
Speaker 1: in your corner. You know, that sort of thing it's
19:18
Speaker 1: the same thing you're advertising at that point in time.
19:21
Speaker 1: That's why in these really big cases there are attorneys
19:24
Speaker 1: that will take pro bono cases because whatever you would make,
19:30
Speaker 1: whatever you would make, say for instance, off of the
19:33
Speaker 1: dime of the state is slipping you to do this
19:36
Speaker 1: pro bono and there is a base base salary or
19:39
Speaker 1: moneys that they receive. It's going to be far exceeded
19:43
Speaker 1: by what you're going to have with clients. They're going
19:44
Speaker 1: to walk through your door. Oh yeah, yeah, you represented them,
19:47
Speaker 1: now I want you Okay, So that's the payout in
19:51
Speaker 1: the end. Don't don't come to me talking about justice
19:53
Speaker 1: and all of that sort of thing. But that's again,
19:57
Speaker 1: that's what they do, that's how they roll with it.
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Speaker 1: This is I just hope, I hope that what the
20:07
Speaker 1: judge is asked for is going to happen because there
20:10
Speaker 1: needs to be I think Jave in this particular case,
20:14
Speaker 1: there has to be a message sent, like a strong message.
20:18
Speaker 1: The judge, from my understanding, looked at the DA and
20:23
Speaker 1: said a special prosecutor must be appointed in this case
20:27
Speaker 1: to look into this specific matter. It caught the judge's eye,
20:32
Speaker 1: and you don't want to be caught by the judge's
20:34
Speaker 1: eye at any point in time, I think about what
20:36
Speaker 1: was the I don't know if you've ever seen these
20:38
Speaker 1: movies The Lord of the Rings, it's that big eye.
20:40
Speaker 1: That's something in the air that kind of seeks out,
20:42
Speaker 1: you know. And you never want to fall in the
20:46
Speaker 1: gaze of the judge, certainly for nothing negative. I don't
20:49
Speaker 1: want to fall in any judge's gaze anyway. I tried
20:52
Speaker 1: to be as obedient as I possibly can. I try
20:55
Speaker 1: to play by the rules at all times. Anytime I
20:57
Speaker 1: had to go into some judges court, you know, for me,
21:01
Speaker 1: you know, when you look at this, you're already going
21:04
Speaker 1: to be on the radar. Anyway. The judge has got
21:07
Speaker 1: a very difficult job in this case. Now, Now, how
21:12
Speaker 1: happy do you think the judge is that this has
21:15
Speaker 1: been added on to their plate, because it's an absolute
21:18
Speaker 1: train wreck. I don't know really how they're going to
21:22
Speaker 1: solve this. I'm going to be very interested to see
21:26
Speaker 1: how this plays out, if and when, and I'm hoping
21:29
Speaker 1: sooner than later the special prosecutor will be appointed. And
21:37
Speaker 1: we're talking about Moscow, Idaho. Your pool of potential people
21:46
Speaker 1: there is tiny. This is not going to take any
21:50
Speaker 1: amount of time to wittle this now. As a matter
21:52
Speaker 1: of fact, I would imagine that there are fannies that
21:55
Speaker 1: are tightening all over the place right now, or specifically
21:58
Speaker 1: those individuals that know that they were the ones that
22:02
Speaker 1: did it, or maybe a supervisor out there that is thinking,
22:06
Speaker 1: this might be my person that did this. Yeah, and
22:09
Speaker 1: they're wondering, you know, what's going to happen? Is there
22:11
Speaker 1: going to be hell to pay for? Dave?
22:12
Speaker 2: See if anybody that you know in that area has
22:14
Speaker 2: hired an attorney or has met with an attorney recently,
22:17
Speaker 2: and that's your guy, That's all I'm saying. You know,
22:20
Speaker 2: we talk about attorneys and mint too, talk about An
22:22
Speaker 2: Taylor and getting publicity. There's Mark garri Goes is one
22:26
Speaker 2: of these attorneys who has a big profile. You know,
22:29
Speaker 2: Scott Peterson's lawyer, he's mine did it?
22:32
Speaker 1: Yeah?
22:33
Speaker 2: And but one thing people don't know about garrigs And
22:36
Speaker 2: this is why I'm always cautious of saying anything about
22:39
Speaker 2: what lawyers do, because we don't know everything they do.
22:43
Speaker 2: Like Ann Taylor. I'm bothered by the fact that Ann
22:45
Speaker 2: Taylor was Xanderkno's mother attorney and then she wrangled herself
22:50
Speaker 2: to be in this position with coburger. That bothers me.
22:53
Speaker 2: I don't know why, and it probably shouldn't, but it does.
22:56
Speaker 2: But I mentioned Gara goes because he and Nancy go
23:00
Speaker 2: head to head over ditty all the time. Oh yeah,
23:02
Speaker 2: you know, Mark Garrigos does something that a lot of
23:03
Speaker 2: people don't know. He has close times to Alabama.
23:06
Speaker 1: You know.
23:06
Speaker 2: Every year, every year Mark Garrigos does a pro bono
23:09
Speaker 2: case in Alabama and usually it's a death penality case
23:12
Speaker 2: for free.
23:14
Speaker 1: I did not know that.
23:15
Speaker 2: I had no idea, and that's kind of the measure
23:19
Speaker 2: of the individual to me. So whether the Ann Taylor
23:23
Speaker 2: thing bothers anybody but me, it's just like I said
23:26
Speaker 2: to me, I'm thinking, if this was my daughter and
23:29
Speaker 2: you're representing me in a court filing right now, and
23:34
Speaker 2: you then leave to go and to get the guy
23:37
Speaker 2: that killed my daughter, allegedly killed my daughter off. Yeah again,
23:41
Speaker 2: maybe they're all fine with it. I don't know.
23:43
Speaker 1: I don't Yeah, I mean I would have. I would
23:45
Speaker 1: imagine again, you know, as it applause as as it
23:49
Speaker 1: applause to as it appliues to two groups of people, well,
23:53
Speaker 1: a group of people and a person. Yeah, the state
23:56
Speaker 1: bar are they cool with it? Is it within the rules?
24:00
Speaker 1: And in the judge are they cool with it? Because
24:02
Speaker 1: I can tell you the judge would have they would
24:04
Speaker 1: be fully aware of this. Oh yeah, and you know,
24:09
Speaker 1: and I don't really know that there would necessarily be
24:12
Speaker 1: a conflict of interest. I can't imagine. It's just like
24:18
Speaker 1: it has a distaste to it, I think.
24:20
Speaker 2: But you mentioned the judge has ordered a probe into
24:23
Speaker 2: this thing. And that's why I wonder how many other
24:26
Speaker 2: things have gone under the radar. This is a big
24:29
Speaker 2: one because it was dayline. It was a big one
24:30
Speaker 2: because information that was not readily available and not known
24:35
Speaker 2: became known. That's a big deal. You know, a lot
24:39
Speaker 2: of us have information that we kind of might have heard,
24:41
Speaker 2: might have thought we heard, you know, something along the line,
24:43
Speaker 2: somebody said something out of turn before there was you know,
24:47
Speaker 2: things like that happen all the time. Information comes out
24:50
Speaker 2: really early. This is not part of that. This is
24:53
Speaker 2: information that was developed, studied created. Finding that new video
24:57
Speaker 2: or new to us of a car that looks like
25:00
Speaker 2: Coburger's car ads and around.
25:02
Speaker 1: I mean it actually looks like it's The image that
25:05
Speaker 1: they showed is actually clearer than the other ones that
25:08
Speaker 1: I've seen. To me, it is, and maybe it's I
25:11
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe that's after enhancement or whatever. Hey, can
25:13
Speaker 1: I return to something real quick please? I'm thinking that
25:19
Speaker 1: this is happening in the wake of arguably one of
25:26
Speaker 1: the most high profile cases in Idaho history, the Coburger case.
25:32
Speaker 1: Is it's not like people are not aware of what
25:36
Speaker 1: the media are capable of, because when you think about
25:42
Speaker 1: the day Bell case and just the round and round
25:46
Speaker 1: and round with that whole thing, you would have thought
25:52
Speaker 1: that perhaps lessons had been learned. And again, it's a
25:56
Speaker 1: small population wise, it's a small state. News travels and
26:01
Speaker 1: there's a central conduit for it if you're trying to
26:05
Speaker 1: disseminate information down to other layers of law enforcement's the
26:09
Speaker 1: state state police have been they were involved with a
26:12
Speaker 1: day Bill case, they're involved with this case, and you
26:14
Speaker 1: would think that you know somebody and the state Attorney General, Hey, look,
26:19
Speaker 1: these are steps you need to avoid because we've gone
26:21
Speaker 1: through a lot of stuff with the press already. But no,
26:25
Speaker 1: that wasn't good enough for them. Now they're staring down
26:30
Speaker 1: the barrel of what has just happened relative to day Line,
26:34
Speaker 1: and I'm you know, I'm very curious about that. You know,
26:37
Speaker 1: you begin to think about it and think, wow, is
26:41
Speaker 1: it going to be something that is going to be
26:45
Speaker 1: so catastrophic that perhaps not everything, but maybe some of
26:49
Speaker 1: those things that have been revealed, I don't know, are
26:53
Speaker 1: they What's the level or lack thereof of admissibility, you know,
26:58
Speaker 1: of that evidence that's been it's been displayed. I don't know.
27:01
Speaker 1: I have no idea.
27:03
Speaker 2: Something interesting did happen this week in light of the dayline,
27:10
Speaker 2: gag order whatever. Apparently Brian Coberger has fingered somebody else
27:19
Speaker 2: that did the crime. Oh he yeah, gotcha, And the
27:26
Speaker 2: judge has given certain rules to everybody. Now they want
27:31
Speaker 2: to bring up this other suspect. He's not named publicly
27:34
Speaker 2: yet the judge has it. And the judge said, okay,
27:38
Speaker 2: you've got till May twenty third, give me all the
27:41
Speaker 2: info you have on why this person is a suspect
27:44
Speaker 2: and what information, what evidence you're going to bring to
27:46
Speaker 2: trial that you think can go in at trial. And
27:49
Speaker 2: then we're going to give the prosecution till June sixth
27:52
Speaker 2: to straighten it out. And then I'll make a call.
27:56
Speaker 1: But I have to ask you something real quick. I'm
27:58
Speaker 1: going to be a major smart ass here and ask
28:00
Speaker 1: a question real quick. I want to know, Dave, is
28:03
Speaker 1: he doing this because he's such an Is his team
28:05
Speaker 1: doing this because there's a there's such an altruist that
28:09
Speaker 1: care about their fellow man so much that now they're
28:12
Speaker 1: going to reveal the identity of a person that butchered
28:16
Speaker 1: butchered these college students. Or is this information they've just
28:20
Speaker 1: come into it's hot off the press. As a matter
28:21
Speaker 1: of fact, it's so hot we can't even hold it,
28:24
Speaker 1: you know, is that or have they known about this
28:26
Speaker 1: suspect all along? Please riddle me this, Brian Coberger's team,
28:31
Speaker 1: Is this information that you've had for a protracted period
28:34
Speaker 1: of time and this person's been running the streets or
28:36
Speaker 1: is this something that just like manner from Heaven, that
28:39
Speaker 1: just happened to drop into your lap? I mean, inquiring
28:42
Speaker 1: minds want to know. I think there were comments that
28:59
Speaker 1: were made early on. I remember the God, it's been
29:04
Speaker 1: so long now, do you remember they had it was
29:08
Speaker 1: either a cat or a dog that had been skinned.
29:11
Speaker 1: Do you remember that people were trying to give the
29:15
Speaker 1: impression that it was some kind of ritualistic thing that
29:18
Speaker 1: was going on, and that that, of course turned out
29:21
Speaker 1: to be a big fat zero, you know along the way,
29:26
Speaker 1: I don't know, hey, And by the way, you know
29:28
Speaker 1: I never got a call from Dateline to give them
29:31
Speaker 1: permission to use my image on the air. Do you
29:34
Speaker 1: think I got a case? I don't know. I'll have
29:35
Speaker 1: to see. Maybe I can call one of the guys
29:38
Speaker 1: on the billboards going down the highway. Maybe they'll they'll
29:40
Speaker 1: look into it for me. What do you think, brother?
29:42
Speaker 2: I think somebody there could help you. But you know,
29:47
Speaker 2: there are a number of things with this case with
29:49
Speaker 2: Coburger that you know. I have a question for you
29:55
Speaker 2: based on what you know took place, the injuries done
29:59
Speaker 2: to thevictims. We've got four people dead in a very
30:02
Speaker 2: short window of time. According to what we've heard from
30:05
Speaker 2: the prosecution. We know Xana Cronodle was getting food delivered
30:10
Speaker 2: at four ten in the morning. We know she was
30:12
Speaker 2: on her phone at four a weight. We know that
30:15
Speaker 2: Coburger was in and out of there allegedly. If it's Coburger,
30:19
Speaker 2: that you've got a window that starts after four to
30:21
Speaker 2: ten and ends at four twenty five. If she's awake
30:27
Speaker 2: and she's not the first one killed. First one is
30:30
Speaker 2: Madison Mogan up top yep right, that timetable doesn't work
30:35
Speaker 2: for me. That's too close. So you've got at least
30:39
Speaker 2: three people awake, Xana, who's getting food, and you've got
30:43
Speaker 2: the two Dylan and Bethany. Dylan Mortenson and Bethany Funk.
30:48
Speaker 2: They're both there because they're texting one another. So you've
30:51
Speaker 2: got three people awake in that building at the time
30:54
Speaker 2: when the murders are supposed to begin. You're gonna tell
30:58
Speaker 2: me nobody screamed, nobody heard anything. See, we can't go
31:00
Speaker 2: into that building to find out what that was like
31:03
Speaker 2: because they tore it down, right.
31:04
Speaker 1: The acoustics are gone.
31:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's something I have a lot of trouble with.
31:08
Speaker 2: I'm just wondering now that just does not You're talking
31:14
Speaker 2: about going up and downstairs, killing four people and only
31:18
Speaker 2: leaving minimal evidence behind.
31:23
Speaker 1: Well, I think you know, I was talking about how
31:28
Speaker 1: everything in this case is about Tomline and you know,
31:32
Speaker 1: what was happening before and after and if that, if
31:36
Speaker 1: those that videography that we have from you know, the
31:40
Speaker 1: previously unseen how does that how does that Tom stamp
31:43
Speaker 1: match up with the story that we've been told thus far,
31:46
Speaker 1: because you know what I know and what you know
31:49
Speaker 1: is information that has to this point been released, been
31:53
Speaker 1: released by law enforcement. Now a lot of the other
31:57
Speaker 1: stuff is merely speculation. It's conclude usions that have been
32:00
Speaker 1: drawn based upon these numbers. But if those numbers are
32:03
Speaker 1: screwed up in the least in the least, okay, then
32:07
Speaker 1: that's going to create a real problem. But we obviously
32:09
Speaker 1: have tom stamps on activity, and I think TikTok was
32:14
Speaker 1: involved relative to Xana. She had met on TikTok at
32:18
Speaker 1: some point in time. That's going to be tom stamped
32:22
Speaker 1: the information relative to food delivery. And that also draws
32:25
Speaker 1: in another thing because people have asked me, is it
32:31
Speaker 1: plausible that one individual and again maybe this is what
32:36
Speaker 1: his defense team is going for here, is it plausible
32:39
Speaker 1: that one individual could have come in here and perpetrated
32:44
Speaker 1: this crime in this short amount of time with a
32:47
Speaker 1: sharp instrument. You're talking about killing four people, and it's
32:51
Speaker 1: in the twinkling of an eye in and out, you know.
32:56
Speaker 1: And if Taylor can at least with that plant that
33:01
Speaker 1: seed of reasonable doubt into the mind of the jury.
33:07
Speaker 1: And she's got a client that I don't know how
33:13
Speaker 1: to describe it. If she's got a client that someone
33:18
Speaker 1: might sympathize with, then maybe that's doable. I have no idea,
33:24
Speaker 1: but the timeline is going to be very, very important
33:29
Speaker 1: and to a broader, broader issue too with me is
33:34
Speaker 1: the timeline from the time of death is also going
33:40
Speaker 1: to be in question because because of the delay in
33:44
Speaker 1: getting contact with the police, these kids have been dead
33:47
Speaker 1: for hours. And if I've got a corner that saying, well,
33:51
Speaker 1: it looks like they were asleep, Well, if that was
33:55
Speaker 1: your assessment, that was your assessment at the scene, I
33:59
Speaker 1: want to know, did you actually do post mortem interval
34:01
Speaker 1: assessment of the bodies at the scene. Well, you're saying
34:04
Speaker 1: they're sleeping. Turns out that they may have been in
34:07
Speaker 1: bed at some point in time, but doesn't sound like
34:11
Speaker 1: they were all in bed, and so therefore stands the
34:15
Speaker 1: reason they're not all asleep. So you know that information
34:19
Speaker 1: relative to timeline, the tom stamps on the CCTV tom stamps,
34:24
Speaker 1: relative to phone, the travel of the car, and also
34:28
Speaker 1: the PMI postmartum interval, and how was that assessed and
34:33
Speaker 1: was there any was there any meat on the bone
34:35
Speaker 1: with that scientifically anything that you could take back to
34:38
Speaker 1: the people in in Boise, which is many people. Those
34:44
Speaker 1: autopsies were not done in Moscow. They were taken to
34:49
Speaker 1: Ada County, which is actually where the day Bell case
34:53
Speaker 1: was handled as well, because that's where they have. A
34:56
Speaker 1: forensic pathologist in Idaho is in Boise, and so they
34:59
Speaker 1: contract with these smaller counties and they actually do the
35:01
Speaker 1: autopsies for them. So when that data is relaid from
35:07
Speaker 1: the scene, and hopefully it was done quickly, that one
35:10
Speaker 1: of the questions of friends of pathologists is going to ask,
35:13
Speaker 1: because they're not coming down there from Boise to observe
35:16
Speaker 1: these bodies. It's their eyes and ears. Is this corner, Well,
35:22
Speaker 1: how third of a job did you do there? Because
35:24
Speaker 1: I can't wait to read the coroner's report, and there
35:27
Speaker 1: should be one that is generated. Every corner generates report,
35:30
Speaker 1: and it should be very detailed. With four bodies, Dave,
35:34
Speaker 1: let's see, let me do the calculation of my mind.
35:39
Speaker 1: With four bodies, those are four individual cases. I'm thinking
35:44
Speaker 1: at least a minimum a minimum if I was a
35:49
Speaker 1: supervisor in a medical examiner's office, I would want to
35:53
Speaker 1: see at least a five page report on each and
35:56
Speaker 1: every one of these victims, and that's including a lot
35:59
Speaker 1: of detail in from chief among that information is going
36:03
Speaker 1: to be your assessment of rigidity, the body fixation of
36:06
Speaker 1: postmordal lividity, algor mortis, which is the temperature of the body,
36:11
Speaker 1: and then not to mention the observable injuries that you
36:13
Speaker 1: see in there, the clothing, environmental status. What's the environmental temperature?
36:18
Speaker 1: Light it's the lighting like positionality of the body, triangulation
36:22
Speaker 1: of the body unscene. I mean, all of this data
36:25
Speaker 1: and then the history behind it. I would have to
36:28
Speaker 1: see that in the case. It would have to be
36:30
Speaker 1: that robust. So you're talking about at minimum eighteen to
36:36
Speaker 1: twenty pages in total of reports that should have been
36:39
Speaker 1: generated on a case like this per the coroner if
36:43
Speaker 1: they're doing their job. And that just kind of marries
36:46
Speaker 1: up in my mind with somebody that helped design the
36:50
Speaker 1: national standards for medical legal death investigator. That's right, that's
36:53
Speaker 1: right in the sweet spot. That's right in the sweet spot.
36:56
Speaker 1: I think at least we'll see what's in that report.
37:00
Speaker 2: Will we will will will that information be brought out
37:04
Speaker 2: in court, because by the way they are going to
37:07
Speaker 2: stream the trial, they're not going to stream jury selection,
37:11
Speaker 2: but they are going to stream the trial. There are
37:12
Speaker 2: going to be a couple of times where we're not
37:14
Speaker 2: going to be able to They're not going to stream
37:16
Speaker 2: certain testimony or at least the judge will decide later.
37:18
Speaker 2: But the prosecution was asking about some of the detective
37:22
Speaker 2: some people not being streamed, and I'm against that. If
37:25
Speaker 2: you use the stream them or you're not, either everybody
37:28
Speaker 2: gets to see everything or they don't. Now they have
37:30
Speaker 2: beth Andy Funk and Dylan Mortenson are going to give
37:33
Speaker 2: them the opportunity to be blurred on the stream, the
37:36
Speaker 2: streamed image to get their type, their identity or identity.
37:43
Speaker 2: And I mean, that's fine, it's just I get, I get.
37:46
Speaker 2: I can't imagine what they're going through.
37:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't understand it either, because even with uh
37:51
Speaker 1: and I know you've heard well, I know you have
37:53
Speaker 1: because you've worked worked on it with me. But for
37:56
Speaker 1: those that did not that are not familiar with the pipe,
37:59
Speaker 1: piked and masker, those trials there were one, two, three, four,
38:05
Speaker 1: and we're still waiting on the fourth trial at this
38:07
Speaker 1: point in that case, can you believe that all the
38:10
Speaker 1: way from twenty sixteen, still waiting on the dad's trial.
38:15
Speaker 1: In the previous trials, they would cut the feed when
38:19
Speaker 1: certain individuals testified, and police officers, you know, they weren't
38:27
Speaker 1: the sun that was directly responsible for shooting the most
38:33
Speaker 1: of the victims. He asked that he not that his
38:37
Speaker 1: testimony not be shown. I think it's a bunch of crap.
38:40
Speaker 1: I think that if you get up on the stand,
38:42
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with them blurring images. It
38:45
Speaker 1: should be streamed. It should be streamed, and you should
38:48
Speaker 1: be able to see this. If you're going to have
38:50
Speaker 1: get don't do it halfway. You know, you got one
38:52
Speaker 1: foot in the boat and one foot in the water.
38:54
Speaker 1: Go all the way in on it and show it. Okay,
38:58
Speaker 1: you didn't sign up to be a police officer to
39:03
Speaker 1: be hidden, all right, And this is not like I
39:06
Speaker 1: don't know. I guess they could say, well, these police
39:08
Speaker 1: officers might be involved in future undercover operations. They don't
39:11
Speaker 1: want their identities revealed and whatever, but you're going to
39:13
Speaker 1: know their names. Yeah, you know. And like you said,
39:17
Speaker 1: we're wired in world now any you know, just because
39:20
Speaker 1: you're a police officer doesn't mean that you know you
39:22
Speaker 1: have anonymity. Far from it.
39:25
Speaker 2: Nowadays, I do think that with Dylan Mortenson and Bethany Funk,
39:29
Speaker 2: because I've had my own questions about the two of
39:31
Speaker 2: them and what they did or did.
39:32
Speaker 1: Not do everybody else.
39:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's but I'm made to feel like I'm
39:37
Speaker 2: a horrible evil person for even asking, you know, but
39:40
Speaker 2: I am curious if those are my kids, one of
39:42
Speaker 2: my children that had died in that. Yeah, and there
39:45
Speaker 2: were two people that were awake texting one another and
39:48
Speaker 2: didn't bother to call police for seven eight hours. I mean,
39:50
Speaker 2: I got a problem with that. I still have a
39:52
Speaker 2: problem with that.
39:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole indwelling fear thing, you know kind of it.
39:57
Speaker 1: It becomes unpalatable after a while. You know, you have
40:00
Speaker 1: to have something more than that. And and listen, it's
40:03
Speaker 1: not for us to necessarily explain they're going to be
40:05
Speaker 1: asked us questions when they're on the stand now whether
40:09
Speaker 1: or not people will be satisfied with the answers that here.
40:11
Speaker 1: You know, I can't make any prediction about that.
40:14
Speaker 2: You know, Joe in all of this where you know,
40:16
Speaker 2: you have the one who is Dylan Mortenson with the
40:19
Speaker 2: bushy eyebrows testimony, which is going to be in there
40:22
Speaker 2: now because those are some of the things that were
40:24
Speaker 2: ruled on that Coberger has. They've been trying to keep
40:27
Speaker 2: certain testimony out and it seems like each time they've tried,
40:31
Speaker 2: it's gone the other way, which is really odd to
40:34
Speaker 2: me that we never heard of a possible other suspect
40:37
Speaker 2: until after they were denied. All these other things that
40:39
Speaker 2: they were trying to use to get the death endally tossed.
40:42
Speaker 1: Psych autism. Yeah, it's the same thing.
40:44
Speaker 2: Gosh, come on, man, this guy can be in he's
40:49
Speaker 2: in college to get his master's degree in criminal justice,
40:53
Speaker 2: and yet he's not smart. He can't help with his
40:55
Speaker 2: own defense.
40:57
Speaker 1: But I don't, Yeah, I don't. I don't understand that.
41:00
Speaker 1: I really don't. And again it's it's it's a ploy
41:04
Speaker 1: of desperation, and listen, it irks me. I think on
41:09
Speaker 1: one level that there are truly people that struggle with
41:12
Speaker 1: autism in their life and it's being used as a
41:14
Speaker 1: prop Yeah, I mean, that's that's kind of what you know,
41:18
Speaker 1: the way it seems to me.
41:20
Speaker 2: My grandson is on the spectrum. Joe, I've seen it.
41:23
Speaker 2: I've seen that used and I've talked to you and
41:25
Speaker 2: Kim about it because I was surprised at a number
41:27
Speaker 2: of different things. I'm very proud of what he has
41:30
Speaker 2: accomplished because.
41:31
Speaker 1: He's a wonderful man, wonderful young man.
41:34
Speaker 2: Great kid. With the proxy of reading beyond grade level
41:37
Speaker 2: is a big deal he has. He's originally hard at it.
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Speaker 2: But the thing is that I've had to study all
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Speaker 2: of this stuff to figure it out because I didn't
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Speaker 2: know when they said on the spectrum, like, what does
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Speaker 2: that even mean? I hear it, but and then I
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Speaker 2: hear them applying it to this guy who has gone
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Speaker 2: through all these years of college and he's gone cross
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Speaker 2: country to study in what I mean? None of this
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Speaker 2: adds up to me.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's again again it comes down to now defense
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Speaker 1: hasn't said this. This is people in the media and
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Speaker 1: as people in general public that you know, we've just
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Speaker 1: talked about this earlier that use the term in cell.
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Speaker 1: In cell is one of the most disingenuous, intellectually lazy
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Speaker 1: terms in the world because it lacks specificity. Uh, particularly
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Speaker 1: when you're talking about a a group of college kids
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Speaker 1: that have been butchered. So that's your answer is going
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Speaker 1: to be in cell, and then we're just going to
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Speaker 1: kind of leave it at that, and then you know
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Speaker 1: you're gonna, you know, and somebody is going to offer
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Speaker 1: up some kind of some kind of half assed explanation
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Speaker 1: for what in cell actually means. And that's and again
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Speaker 1: it's not in the D s M. It's not you know,
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Speaker 1: because they're trying to paint paint, you know, incell itis
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Speaker 1: I guess as an actual medical condition, and it's not.
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Speaker 1: It's somebody's it's an Uh. It's a point of observation
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Speaker 1: of people that are intellectually lazy most of the time
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Speaker 1: that they don't want to dig any deeper relative to this,
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Speaker 1: and it's easy. I think it makes them, It makes
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Speaker 1: it easy to explain, you know, why somebody would do
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Speaker 1: something like this or gives them some kind of comfort.
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Speaker 1: What it comes down to is that I don't know
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Speaker 1: if it was Brian Coburger or not, but I do
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Speaker 1: know this that whoever did this was a monster because
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Speaker 1: they had no compassion. Uh, they were absent heart, and
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Speaker 1: they ended the lives of four promising young adults. I'm
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Bodybacks