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#1603 Body Literacy - Unna Goldsworthy · The You Project

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Speaker 1: I get a team. It's bloody Harps and bloody Anna
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Speaker 1: from Ana Movement. Anna Gold's Worthy. I just rang her.
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Speaker 1: I didn't even ring her. I'm so lazy. I just
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Speaker 1: sent her a message about twenty minutes ago and I
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Speaker 1: said what do you do? At twenty to one? At
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Speaker 1: twenty to one, I said what do you do? On
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Speaker 1: the savoce? When I said do you want to do
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Speaker 1: a podcast? And she goes when I'll go one? And
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Speaker 1: this was at twenty to one.
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Speaker 2: I didn't say I said, I'm scrubbing the floor, and
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Speaker 2: I actually was.
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Speaker 1: Were you really scrubbing the floor?
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Speaker 2: I was scrubbing the base of my shower. This is
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Speaker 2: my It's just you know, being house proud and focused
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Speaker 2: and putting time aside. One of my new one new things.
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Speaker 1: Soap scums real, isn't it?
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Speaker 2: Oh it's a pain in the bomb. But I was
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Speaker 2: trying out a new home recipe and I'll let you
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Speaker 2: know how it goes.
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Speaker 1: Does it involve vinegar, of course? And does it involved
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Speaker 1: by carb soda?
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Speaker 2: No. I made that mistake at previous time where I
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Speaker 2: tried to memorize a recipe and give it a go.
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Speaker 2: I sillily I thought it's myself. I shouldn't put by
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Speaker 2: carbon with vinegar. That's not going to work, like we
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Speaker 2: all know the volcano experiment in primary school. But I
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Speaker 2: went ahead and did it and it sort of didn't react,
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Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, maybe I remembered it correctly.
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Speaker 2: And then I put the lid on and tied it
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Speaker 2: up and help hopefully.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if this is true, but somebody did
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Speaker 1: tell me this is going to sound ridiculous, but in
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Speaker 1: light of what are other things it does Coca cola
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Speaker 1: like full sugar coke, because that's acidic as fuck, that's
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Speaker 1: gonna that. Doesn't that take rust off old coins and
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Speaker 1: steal and doesn't it just make things come back to life.
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Speaker 1: I don't know that it makes humans come back to life.
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Speaker 1: But if you want to as something that gets rid
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Speaker 1: of rust and is anti corrosive or whatever it is.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if I'll put it in my shower baits.
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Speaker 2: I'm just thinking about the mold that will kind of
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Speaker 2: eat the sugar and then just like a go nice.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I've seen you know, power tools, you put them in
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Speaker 2: and bring them back to life and him and out.
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Speaker 1: I think if you put a tooth in coke for
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Speaker 1: not I could be making this up. No, No, I
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Speaker 1: think it turns to rubber. I think it fucks that
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Speaker 1: up and about I don't think it comes out all
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Speaker 1: beautifully Colleen. Otherwise everyone who drinks coke would have superstar
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Speaker 1: Hollywood teeth. That definitely, definitely.
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Speaker 2: That hasn't been happening.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I apologize for the short notice, but it's
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Speaker 1: been Planet Harps has been frantic. It is. We're recording
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Speaker 1: this Saturday, the third of August, and we put up
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Speaker 1: a we put up we don't do too We've probably
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Speaker 1: done it ten times in six years. We put up
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Speaker 1: a let's call it, what will we call it? A
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Speaker 1: revisiting of an old episode today with Harry Garside of course,
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Speaker 1: the boxer we love him. Yeah, it's the Olympics, of
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Speaker 1: course at the minute, and he if anyone has ever
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Speaker 1: bowed out of a sporting event, not winning, but still
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Speaker 1: coming out like a winner him, Did you see any
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Speaker 1: of him?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? I just saw a little snippet of his post
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Speaker 2: event interview and it was it was classic him, that
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Speaker 2: this is how he operates. It was reassuring to know
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Speaker 2: that he's a leader in that space.
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Speaker 1: How come how often do you see someone who comes
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Speaker 1: out of like they've just basically, you know, I was
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Speaker 1: going to say failed, not failed, but not got the
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Speaker 1: result they want in the biggest on the biggest platform
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Speaker 1: in the world. Right he's lost his fight. He must
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Speaker 1: be you know, devastated emotionally and psychologically. And he's been
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Speaker 1: preparing for this for you, and he goes, you know what,
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Speaker 1: Essentially I'm paraphrasing, but he's like, yeah, I really wanted
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Speaker 1: to win. I've been visualizing myself winning. I've got thinking,
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Speaker 1: had his phone set ten times a day to stop
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Speaker 1: and visualize the metal ceremony. And he's been obviously training
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Speaker 1: and all his conditioning work and his nutrition, and he's
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Speaker 1: sleep and he's boxing stuff and his skill stuff, and
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Speaker 1: he's been preparing for this moment like his whole life,
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Speaker 1: but specifically the last four years for the Olympics. And
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Speaker 1: then he goes, it's you know, while I really wanted
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Speaker 1: to win, and I need to you know, acknowledge my
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Speaker 1: feelings and it's just a sporting event. And there are
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Speaker 1: people around the world who are you know, in the
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Speaker 1: middle of the shittiest situations, in the middle of war,
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Speaker 1: in the middle of poverty, in the middle of you know,
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Speaker 1: some mom and dads are trying to feed their kids,
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Speaker 1: and essentially I'm over here. I'm a privileged athlete who
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Speaker 1: didn't win a fight. It's okay. You know he didn't
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Speaker 1: say exactly that, but a version I thought, I'll tell
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Speaker 1: you what, what a great Yes, a great role model
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Speaker 1: as an athlete, but maybe even a better you know,
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Speaker 1: role model as a bloke as a human.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that ability to zoom out and have those moments
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Speaker 2: to know that you know, this is this isn't about me,
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Speaker 2: and what I say influences a lot of people. So
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Speaker 2: this is the legacy that I that I want to leave.
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Speaker 1: What do you have to go?
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Speaker 2: One? Sorry, I had a like a little moment with
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Speaker 2: my son this morning about that, and I have no
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Speaker 2: idea how it came about, but my son and I
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Speaker 2: son's eleven, and we go and do park Run most
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Speaker 2: Saturday mornings without fail, and it's our time together. And
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Speaker 2: I cannot give you the start of how the conversation evolved,
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Speaker 2: but it became this conversation about you know, when you're
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Speaker 2: picking a partner, or when you're with friends, or you
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Speaker 2: know you're choosing who influences you, You've got to be
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Speaker 2: thoughtful about how your decisions and what you say relates
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Speaker 2: to them in their context. You're not responsible for them,
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Speaker 2: but you know you do need to be thoughtful about it.
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Speaker 2: And it all came down to, Yeah, of this idea
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Speaker 2: around relationships and that you've got to understand who you are,
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Speaker 2: what's approached. There can be something shiny and exciting about
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Speaker 2: someone else that gives you a real drive to be
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Speaker 2: around them, but ultimately you're not compatible around them, or
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Speaker 2: you know you're you don't lean into what's right for you,
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Speaker 2: it just doesn't land. And I think Harry's got that
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Speaker 2: ability to it. Seems like he's evolved as an athlete
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Speaker 2: in his skills, but the greater evolution has been him
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Speaker 2: as a human, like his ability to understand his role
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Speaker 2: as an influencer and that he's got great power as
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Speaker 2: a celebrity figure in the things that he says and
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Speaker 2: what he can create and change.
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Speaker 1: Isn't it funny that you just said his role as
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Speaker 1: an influencer? While I completely understand that language, It's like
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Speaker 1: my mum would be like, what what what is a boxer? Right?
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Speaker 2: What?
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Speaker 1: It is funny that that is that that is the reality,
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Speaker 1: Like it or not if you're an Olympian, especially in Australia.
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Speaker 1: And by the way, I was going to say, how
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Speaker 1: well are we doing? I'm not doing anything. Let me
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Speaker 1: just make that clear. I'm doing fuck all. But how
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Speaker 1: well is our Olympic team doing? You think? I don't
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Speaker 1: know where we're going to be when this comes out,
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Speaker 1: but at the moment we're foth on the table.
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Speaker 2: America's female goals yet, yeah.
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Speaker 1: I think so amazing. And you think America, who has
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Speaker 1: And by the way, that's not it, but it's just interesting.
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Speaker 1: They've got three hundred and thirty million people, maybe three
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Speaker 1: hundred and forty. We got twenty six or seven. They've
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Speaker 1: got like fourteen times our population, you know. And it's
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Speaker 1: not you know, it's not like that, ah chest beating,
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Speaker 1: but it's just it's fucking incredible that And good on
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Speaker 1: America and good on you know. Who else is ridiculously
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Speaker 1: amazing is New Zealand. Like nine people live there and
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Speaker 1: there I look before their twelfth on the table of
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Speaker 1: fifty one countries that have meddled, five million people live
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Speaker 1: in New Zealand, give or take. You think something like
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Speaker 1: forty forty five million people live in California, Right, I
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Speaker 1: mean it's incredible, But back to that kind of role
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Speaker 1: model influencer. Too bad if you're an athlete and you
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Speaker 1: just want to be an athlete, Like if you're a
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Speaker 1: complete introvert, and it doesn't mean you're obviously a bad person.
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Speaker 1: Some of my best friends are introverts. I think I'm
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Speaker 1: an ambivert. Everyone would think I'm an extrovert because of
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Speaker 1: my job. I'm definitely not very I live by myself.
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Speaker 1: I spend most of my time by myself. I'm very
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Speaker 1: happy alone and very happy to be in a room
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Speaker 1: full of humans and be invisible. Right, I'm very happy
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Speaker 1: for that. Right. But if you if you're an introvert
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Speaker 1: and you just happened to be great at sport and
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Speaker 1: you love sport and you're good at it and people
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Speaker 1: are shoving a microphone in front of your face every
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Speaker 1: eight seconds, yeah that's going to be And what if
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Speaker 1: you don't want to be a fucking role model? What
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Speaker 1: if you just want to be and that doesn't mean
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Speaker 1: you want to do bad shit? But what if you go,
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Speaker 1: I actually don't want anyone to model themselves on me.
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Speaker 1: I just want to be an athlete.
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Speaker 2: I crew that probably do achieve that. And yeah, it's
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Speaker 2: there's a clip. Two thoughts I'm going to go with
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Speaker 2: this on First, there's a clip of it of a
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Speaker 2: singer and I don't know her name, but she's very
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Speaker 2: popular at the moment, and she's standing on a stage
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Speaker 2: and I saw this video of her and she's in
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Speaker 2: front of like a kazillion people stage and she got
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Speaker 2: a little mike and she says, you know, this type
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Speaker 2: of life isn't built for an introvert, and I am
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Speaker 2: an introvert. This is for me at the moment, Like
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Speaker 2: I could vomit and shit right now on stage. This
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Speaker 2: is how I feel like she was about to kind
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Speaker 2: of break into this.
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Speaker 1: Did she say that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, she was like, you've got to understand that
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Speaker 2: what you think of me isn't me and what's actually
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Speaker 2: happening in my body now, wow, is very much different.
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Speaker 2: Like I am not built for this, but there's something
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Speaker 2: pulling me to do it. Wow. So I wonder if
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Speaker 2: there's part of that in athletes as well, Like to
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Speaker 2: your point, you do what you feel passionate and skilter wars,
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Speaker 2: but you then kind of you do what you've got
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Speaker 2: to do. But it's not the most comfortable thing. Yes, mentally,
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Speaker 2: emotionally it's the land on.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think sometimes that just comes with it, right,
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Speaker 1: is you can't like, if you're great at something, well,
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Speaker 1: you know, if you're great at being an engineer, you're
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Speaker 1: probably not going to have world acclaim you could, but
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Speaker 1: if you if you're a world class athlete on a
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Speaker 1: global stage or you know, and I guess what's that
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Speaker 1: he's got a double barrel name the breaststroker.
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Speaker 2: Oh you know the guy.
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Speaker 1: Oh I'm so sorry, I'm so it's like something can
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Speaker 1: you google it? But anyway, yeah, yeah, yeah, like Higglety
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Speaker 1: Smith or something like that is Zach what's his name?
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Speaker 1: So we just had a little pause because we were
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Speaker 1: trying to we found or, let's be more honest, Craig
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Speaker 1: found Zach's w cook who was the Olympic.
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Speaker 2: Gold medal Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, back to me, get off your computer. So
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Speaker 1: he's my long winded, terrible point. I feel like, and
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Speaker 1: I could be wrong. He's an introvert. He doesn't seem
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Speaker 1: to love I mean, he does a good job, but
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Speaker 1: he doesn't seem to love being interviewed. He's like, maybe
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Speaker 1: it's just when he's competing. But you know what else
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Speaker 1: was just beautiful. There's there's an Australian So the Australian lady,
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Speaker 1: young lady that won the BMX this morning. Her name
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Speaker 1: is Saya Saki Saka Kibara. I think good luck with that,
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Speaker 1: harps did you hear her winter after after the race?
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Speaker 1: So she won the gold this morning and she goes,
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Speaker 1: this is live on Channel nine. So I just I thought,
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Speaker 1: just fucking go for it. So I just fucking went
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Speaker 1: for it. And I'm like, and there was no be
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Speaker 1: like they didn't have time like that is that is
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Speaker 1: the best. That is the best. I think she's got
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Speaker 1: a I think she's got a Japanese dad and a
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Speaker 1: French mum. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure.
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Speaker 1: And she's got a French boyfriend who was competing for
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Speaker 1: France and he just got a bronze medal. And her brother,
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Speaker 1: whose name escapes me, he was also a world class
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Speaker 1: racer and had a really bad accident and has a
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Speaker 1: TBI traumatic brain injury. Everyone, and what a sweetheart. He
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Speaker 1: was in the crowd and he was fucking beside himself.
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Speaker 1: And then the lady. Do you know when people try
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Speaker 1: to interview I'll shut up after this. People try to
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Speaker 1: interview people when they are at their most emotionally kind
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Speaker 1: of vulnerable and they can't string three words together.
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Speaker 2: And it was.
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Speaker 1: Clear that this dude with the traumatic brain injury really
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Speaker 1: wasn't in a position to be interviewed. Like his sister
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Speaker 1: just won a gold medal. He was having a meltdown
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Speaker 1: and this lady's shoving a fucking microphone in his face, going,
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Speaker 1: how do you feel? It's like, fuck off with your microphone.
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Speaker 2: I need to get over there.
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Speaker 1: Ah god, yeah, incredible, incredible spectacle. So you have you
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Speaker 1: been watching it or no?
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Speaker 2: I must admit I haven't from the get go. I've
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Speaker 2: been looking at highlights. But I did come into what's
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Speaker 2: the amazing Jemimah montage. She came in bronze in the
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Speaker 2: first track events of race walking and through those points.
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Speaker 2: Jemima is quite an introvert as well, but she holds
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Speaker 2: a stage. She's amazing. She was the IOC's Australian Young
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Speaker 2: Person Representative. I don't know the proper title for the
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Speaker 2: last the period between the last two Olympics, and she's
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Speaker 2: created a platform called play On which advocates for the
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Speaker 2: effectively the mental safety for young girls to continue playing sport,
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Speaker 2: because there's a massive dropout race basically when you hit
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Speaker 2: high school. And she's the biggest over a teacher, she's
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Speaker 2: you know, plays multiple instruments. She's now an Olympic gold medalist.
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Speaker 2: She's gold bronze, bronze, bronze, and said, I beg my pardon,
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Speaker 2: and she's, you know, studying medicine. But she I think, yeah,
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Speaker 2: she's She was more leaning towards the introvert world and
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Speaker 2: she said, in just the coin of that idea of
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Speaker 2: I guess I can do this, just do it. She
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Speaker 2: was coming. I don't know where it was in the race.
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Speaker 2: I assume it was later on in the race because
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Speaker 2: it was really muggy and they had to not go
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Speaker 2: ahead with the race at the design time because there
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Speaker 2: was a storm. Anyway, she's really struggling in questioning whether
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Speaker 2: she wants the medal and really pushing hard. She looked
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Speaker 2: so strong the whole time, but she was really pushing hard.
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Speaker 2: And she was lucky enough to have her family there.
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Speaker 2: And she said she walked past her sister and heard
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Speaker 2: her sister yelling something, you know, over the crowd, and
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Speaker 2: recognized her voice. And that was the click that took
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Speaker 2: her to you know, zoom out again. You know, this
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Speaker 2: isn't about me, this is you know, fucking I can
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Speaker 2: do this, and she yeah. So it was so amazing
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Speaker 2: to hear the inner workings of you know, out there
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Speaker 2: doing the thing, but still doubting yourself and still being
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Speaker 2: able to talk yourself out of it or talk yourself
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Speaker 2: back into it in this like huge, huge platform.
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Speaker 1: It just seems to me race walking like depending on
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Speaker 1: the distance, of course, I think they do ten, twenty
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Speaker 1: and fifty. Oh my god, imagine doing a fifty. Now
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Speaker 1: I'm clearly no expert in this field, but we're both
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Speaker 1: exercise scientists, and I just looked up the world record.
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Speaker 1: Obviously this happens to be for the men, but was
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Speaker 1: the one that I've found first.
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Speaker 2: So the.
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Speaker 1: World record for walking, not running, and we put that
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Speaker 1: term walking in inverted commas, we'll talk about the biomechanics
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Speaker 1: and the technique and the potential consequences of that. Thirty
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Speaker 1: seven minutes and eleven seconds.
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Speaker 2: So the distance for that one.
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Speaker 1: Ten kilometers, So if you're ten kilometers that's over, that's
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Speaker 1: I guess that's around sixteen or seventeen kilometers an hour walking. Now,
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Speaker 1: think about the average person. Once average person gets above
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Speaker 1: seven seven kilometers seven and a half kilometers an hour,
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Speaker 1: they're running, if not six and a half, most people
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Speaker 1: once they get seven or seven and a half, they
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Speaker 1: break into a jog. Now these people are walking at
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Speaker 1: double that plus do you, Evern, I think, do you?
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Speaker 1: I mean, you're the the guru of exercise physiology on
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Speaker 1: this show anyway, And so they have to have one
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Speaker 1: foot touching the ground at all times. Obviously, when you're running,
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Speaker 1: there are like there's half the time there's no feet
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Speaker 1: on the ground. There's you're pushing off, but both feet
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Speaker 1: are off the ground. But with race walking you have
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Speaker 1: to have one foot in contact with the ground at
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Speaker 1: all times. Have you ever looked at what's going on
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Speaker 1: closely at the hips and the ass and the hamstring
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Speaker 1: and the hip flexes And there.
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Speaker 2: Was quite amazing, And after watching it, I was like, oh,
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Speaker 2: I need to go off and look at you know,
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Speaker 2: the most common injuries in that space. But it really
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Speaker 2: was interesting and that's why I was most blown away
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Speaker 2: by Jemimah. I've seen her walk a couple of times.
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Speaker 2: I'm lucky enough to be friends with her mum. We
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Speaker 2: used to work together through the Royal Children's Hospital and
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Speaker 2: she was the strongest and thurdiers of all the other races.
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Speaker 2: And it was the thing that made me think that,
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Speaker 2: and I assume my interpretation is reasonable, is that she
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Speaker 2: had all that amazing movement that they have in their
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Speaker 2: hips on there on the science sideplane, but her trunk
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Speaker 2: wasn't kind of taking up this lag with spots into
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Speaker 2: it as well, So she was creating a real propulsive force,
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Speaker 2: only with none of this kind of pull push from
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Speaker 2: reactive forces anywhere else in the system. And she was, yeah,
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Speaker 2: she looks she looks so so good. And then you'd
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Speaker 2: see other walkers that were hired a hot you know,
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Speaker 2: struggling and working to their absolute highest, and you could
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Speaker 2: see the kind of faulting in their stability and where
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Speaker 2: they were what we'd say, losing losing energy in their biomechanics,
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Speaker 2: and it was it was amazing to what it really
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Speaker 2: really was. But yeah, that's and I had the joy.
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Speaker 2: I've got a picture on my phone of I did
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Speaker 2: my swim training last night and I'm the worst kicker
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Speaker 2: and my trainer, my trainer was kind of enough to
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Speaker 2: say no, there's another person in the pool. You But
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Speaker 2: at the end I've gotten out and I was just
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Speaker 2: having a little recovery chatting to one of my other
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Speaker 2: we'll call them veterans swimmers on the side, and they
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Speaker 2: had to tell you up watching the swimming and all
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Speaker 2: the other young young squad kids were in the pool
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Speaker 2: having a break watching the some of the Olympic races
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Speaker 2: for the swimm at the same time. It was really
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Speaker 2: cool with standing in the pool watching their idols.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, watching the ultimate what they hoped to become one day.
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Speaker 1: Did you see? So what was what was a really
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Speaker 1: interesting story out of the swimming was Cameron McAvoy who
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Speaker 1: won the fifty fly. Did you see anything about that?
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Speaker 2: No?
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Speaker 1: Sorry, fifty freestyle. So so Cameron McAboy. This was his
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Speaker 1: fourth Opics, so obviously he's a sprinter. I think he's
21:05
Speaker 1: about thirty so his I also think he's got two degrees,
21:11
Speaker 1: like a degree in physics and one in maths or something.
21:14
Speaker 1: He's like straight up smarty pants, like your friend the
21:17
Speaker 1: race walker, but super smart, super cerebral. And so there
21:26
Speaker 1: was a stage where he was swimming about thirty hours
21:29
Speaker 1: a week right in the pool. Now he won his
21:35
Speaker 1: first I think it was his first individual gold last night.
21:41
Speaker 1: He now swims three hours a week, three hours in
21:45
Speaker 1: the week because he only swims fifty meters, which is
21:48
Speaker 1: I can't remember twenty two seconds or something ridiculous. But
21:53
Speaker 1: the vast majority of his training is land based, so
21:56
Speaker 1: it's all about power and function and speed, and so
22:02
Speaker 1: he's building this body out. This is fucking amazing. So
22:06
Speaker 1: he's doing less swimming than ever and he's better than
22:09
Speaker 1: he's ever been, Like he just won the Olympic gold medal.
22:13
Speaker 1: So you know, this is one of the things that
22:15
Speaker 1: we see the evolution of sport and the science around
22:19
Speaker 1: sport and the evolution of training, where now he's being
22:24
Speaker 1: inundated by other athletes and coaches who want to know
22:28
Speaker 1: his protocol. Right, So you think about now, I don't
22:32
Speaker 1: know if those numbers are exactly right, thirty versus three hours,
22:35
Speaker 1: but I know that he's reduced his pool workload like exponentially,
22:41
Speaker 1: So he's in the pool hardly at all compared to
22:45
Speaker 1: what he used to be. And ironically, the swimmer doesn't
22:49
Speaker 1: do much swimming, but he does everything out you think about,
22:53
Speaker 1: you think about talk about explosive events. So imagine being
22:57
Speaker 1: at the Olympics. Your event last twenty se seconds. Now,
23:01
Speaker 1: if you're good at it, you get to do it again,
23:03
Speaker 1: and if you're good at it, then you get to
23:05
Speaker 1: do it again. And if you're good at it, then
23:06
Speaker 1: you're the Olympic champion. Right. But it's funny how you
23:11
Speaker 1: know what we'll see now, probably because he is currently
23:14
Speaker 1: the best, you know, as of yesterday, the best on
23:16
Speaker 1: the planet at this event, and he's training in a
23:20
Speaker 1: way that virtually no one else is training. So there
23:23
Speaker 1: might be a few people dabbling with this. But it's
23:26
Speaker 1: so interesting the way that sports science and the science
23:29
Speaker 1: and by that I mean not just training in the pool,
23:32
Speaker 1: but the strength stuff, the recovery stuff, you know that
23:35
Speaker 1: all the stuff we're seeing around ice bars and blah
23:37
Speaker 1: blah blah, just the myriad of variables that go into
23:41
Speaker 1: making somebody the best in the world at something.
23:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's really interesting how because if you think
23:52
Speaker 2: back not that long ago, I remember being around the
23:54
Speaker 2: footy field on a Saturday morning as a kid and
23:57
Speaker 2: that was the whole you know, hearing about the dads
24:02
Speaker 2: that you know used to play don't play anymore. That
24:04
Speaker 2: was only five or ten years before used to have
24:07
Speaker 2: a pie and smoke it at halftime or whatever. But
24:11
Speaker 2: it's just that acceleration of change. And I think it's
24:15
Speaker 2: particularly exciting with the female sports space because now that
24:21
Speaker 2: the training is starting to take into account how to
24:24
Speaker 2: refine and do do female training particularly well, I think
24:28
Speaker 2: we're going to see that's where we'll see the biggest
24:31
Speaker 2: changes as well. And I think most of it's come
24:33
Speaker 2: from our ability to understand recovery better rather than doing
24:39
Speaker 2: the thing makes you better at it. It's the ability
24:43
Speaker 2: to work as high as possible when requires not just
24:48
Speaker 2: doing a lot of it, and then you know you're
24:50
Speaker 2: actually functioning at this lower level. How do we create
24:56
Speaker 2: continuous change rather than a stimulu that's actually just keeping
25:01
Speaker 2: us in the same spot.
25:03
Speaker 1: Well, I think one of the flaws in the old
25:05
Speaker 1: days was that we had in a lot of sports,
25:10
Speaker 1: obviously at a lower level, at a community level, at
25:13
Speaker 1: an urban level, and you know, even at a state level.
25:17
Speaker 1: And might I say, I'll tell a story in a moment,
25:19
Speaker 1: but even at an AFL level, sometimes the decision makers
25:26
Speaker 1: were not the people who should be making the decisions.
25:29
Speaker 1: So what am I saying? We often had the coaches
25:33
Speaker 1: who in terms of physiology, exercise programming, recovery, nutrition, that
25:41
Speaker 1: were completely unqualified, but they would be the ones who
25:46
Speaker 1: were deciding that tonight we're going to do one hundred
25:50
Speaker 1: one hundreds. One of my mates a rip Rob Dixon,
25:54
Speaker 1: friend of mine who sadly passed away, one of my
25:57
Speaker 1: best mates from school. He played footy for Hawthorne and
26:00
Speaker 1: he also played footy for the Brisbane Bears. He was
26:02
Speaker 1: a helicopter pilot. He was the first winner of Survivor
26:05
Speaker 1: Season one, one of my best mates. Shout out to
26:09
Speaker 1: his brother Pete. Awesome human. But anyway, Dicko, I remember
26:13
Speaker 1: Dicko telling me when he arrived at Hawthorne. Now this
26:16
Speaker 1: was in nine eighty two, right, so forty two years ago.
26:20
Speaker 1: One night, in the middle of summer, they did one
26:24
Speaker 1: hundred one hundred meters sprints. Like that is so fucking terrible.
26:31
Speaker 1: That is so bad for like, so in the heat,
26:35
Speaker 1: they're sprinting ten kilometers. There's no benefit to that. There's
26:40
Speaker 1: only potential risk and damage. And you might go, oh,
26:43
Speaker 1: toughens them up. No, it doesn't. It makes them hate
26:45
Speaker 1: the coach, and there's physiologically you know, it's just stupid shit.
26:49
Speaker 1: And even back in the day when I arrived at
26:52
Speaker 1: Saint Kilda, which was a long time ago now, but
26:55
Speaker 1: I arrived there in I think it was nineteen ninety four,
26:59
Speaker 1: ninety five I was there, it was like and it's
27:05
Speaker 1: not like I was a world leader in exercise science,
27:08
Speaker 1: but before I got there, there was no rhyme or reason.
27:13
Speaker 1: The conditioning work, yes, that like the bitness stuff and
27:17
Speaker 1: speed stuff and skill stuff of course that kind of
27:20
Speaker 1: but the actual strength training, there was no rhyme or reason,
27:24
Speaker 1: like there was a couple of weights in this shitty gym.
27:27
Speaker 1: Of course, it's very different now, been to the gym
27:29
Speaker 1: ats and Kilda. It's like the fucking space station now,
27:33
Speaker 1: it's like being at NASA now. But back in the
27:36
Speaker 1: day and we're talking only you know, like one generation ago.
27:41
Speaker 1: We're talking twenty five years ago, it was fucking archaic,
27:44
Speaker 1: so so understanding how to optimize a body. It's still
27:51
Speaker 1: very much in its evolution.
27:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's happening quite fast though, right. And I think
27:56
Speaker 2: the other thing in the big difference in that with
28:00
Speaker 2: the you know, one hundred spents in one hundred degree
28:02
Speaker 2: type situation is like the idea that we thought we
28:07
Speaker 2: were teaching people's physical toughness, but it turns out it's
28:11
Speaker 2: the mental flexibility fitness and toughness that's the greater ally
28:16
Speaker 2: when it comes to being you know, high level athletes
28:20
Speaker 2: and even you know down to the to the degree
28:23
Speaker 2: of being able to make decisions about your own body
28:25
Speaker 2: with your own body literacy in saying today is not
28:27
Speaker 2: a great training day for me, or yet today is
28:30
Speaker 2: the appropriate training day for me based on what's happening
28:33
Speaker 2: in my body, and that's where the refining is happening.
28:37
Speaker 1: So your own body literacy is a term that nearly
28:41
Speaker 1: no one's heard of.
28:42
Speaker 2: Unpack that body literacy, I guess I'm going to talk
28:46
Speaker 2: about it from a very broad point of view. So
28:50
Speaker 2: if we took anxiety, for example, like our body has,
28:54
Speaker 2: there's multiple things in our system from our body that
28:57
Speaker 2: communicates warning bells that something is not right for us
29:01
Speaker 2: from a body point of view, so it becomes your
29:05
Speaker 2: I guess we miss the other sense of in teroception.
29:09
Speaker 2: So there's you know, we can see, we can hear,
29:11
Speaker 2: we can taste in teroception, that ability to know, you know,
29:16
Speaker 2: this isn't the best day for me, or that discomfort
29:19
Speaker 2: is an okay discomfort versus this isn't a good discomfort
29:23
Speaker 2: to be moving through. I'm dehydrated, so that's making me
29:27
Speaker 2: grumpy or not great. It's not a great decision making
29:31
Speaker 2: right now. So it's yeah, it's the ability to go
29:35
Speaker 2: I can feel what's going on in my body and
29:38
Speaker 2: make a clear decision whether I act on that in
29:42
Speaker 2: you know, as in my tools of do I do
29:45
Speaker 2: ABCD today in terms of using training, but beyond that,
29:49
Speaker 2: I don't make myself feel guilty about making a decision
29:52
Speaker 2: that feels in line with what my body needs.
29:57
Speaker 1: That's one of the tough things, right. So you talk
30:00
Speaker 1: about biofeedback, what our body is telling us, listening to that,
30:03
Speaker 1: and then being able to act on that in an
30:05
Speaker 1: intelligent way, right, I think one of the did I
30:09
Speaker 1: get that right? Or did I fuck that up?
30:11
Speaker 2: I think that's so.
30:12
Speaker 1: I think one of the challenges though, is so there
30:16
Speaker 1: are two truths that what you said is true. Is
30:19
Speaker 1: that our body's going, Hey, have a bit more rest,
30:21
Speaker 1: have a bit more sleep, run faster, jump higher, have
30:24
Speaker 1: more water. Whatever it is like, our body is always
30:27
Speaker 1: speaking to us. That's truth number one. Truth number two
30:32
Speaker 1: for some people anyway, is that we are really emotional
30:35
Speaker 1: in our decision making about our body. So we are no,
30:41
Speaker 1: I'm going to eat nothing today because last night I
30:44
Speaker 1: had a big night, or I'm going to If running
30:46
Speaker 1: five k's is good, then running ten k's is twice
30:50
Speaker 1: as good. If training three days a week in the
30:53
Speaker 1: gym is good, then six days is brilliant, and ten
30:56
Speaker 1: days a week in the gym is amazing. So I'm
30:58
Speaker 1: doing do you know what I mean? It's like yeah,
31:01
Speaker 1: Because we're emotional creatures. And I always say this, you know,
31:05
Speaker 1: try to de emotionalize when it comes to your body
31:07
Speaker 1: as much as possible. Turn down the emotion and turn
31:11
Speaker 1: up the strategy and the science and the logic. Because
31:14
Speaker 1: if you are if you have an unhealthy relationship with
31:18
Speaker 1: your body, which is every second person who listens to
31:21
Speaker 1: this show and you know who you are, or an
31:24
Speaker 1: unhealthy relationship with food also a lot of you motherfuckers
31:28
Speaker 1: and me too, you know, and you have a capacity
31:32
Speaker 1: or a perhaps a tendency to make what are not
31:35
Speaker 1: the best decisions for your health or body because you
31:39
Speaker 1: are operating out of fear or laziness or whatever, then
31:45
Speaker 1: at some stage we need to be able to go, Okay,
31:48
Speaker 1: what is my body actually telling me? And how do
31:51
Speaker 1: I use that information wisely?
31:54
Speaker 2: I think identity comes into all that as well, because
31:58
Speaker 2: fitness industry is confusing all that kind of stuff. But
32:02
Speaker 2: in there as well is this idea that you know,
32:05
Speaker 2: am I going to the gym because it picks a
32:08
Speaker 2: box in terms of what I think I'm meant to do?
32:11
Speaker 2: Or you know, can I make a decision and be
32:13
Speaker 2: at ease with that decision? And how does that lining
32:16
Speaker 2: with my identity and my run with mydea sun this
32:20
Speaker 2: morning might be a good good example, a parenting example.
32:27
Speaker 2: So if we track back, you know, I don't know,
32:29
Speaker 2: maybe five months ago, four months ago, I can't remember
32:32
Speaker 2: how long we've been doing it. He's eleven, So we're
32:35
Speaker 2: going to give him a break in terms of you know,
32:37
Speaker 2: not fully developed frontal lobe and you know, not connecting
32:40
Speaker 2: to emotional senses.
32:42
Speaker 1: I don't have a fully developed frontal alive and I'm
32:44
Speaker 1: fucking sixty, yeah.
32:46
Speaker 2: And our emotional center takes a little bit longer to
32:49
Speaker 2: connect and recover. So getting him out of bed was
32:52
Speaker 2: very hard. Getting him there was really tricky. And then
32:55
Speaker 2: fast forward to after the run, we'd be in the
32:57
Speaker 2: car and he'd be apologizing for the pain in the
33:00
Speaker 2: bum basically, and I'd have to pull him through the
33:04
Speaker 2: through the run like we're running and also here and
33:07
Speaker 2: there be like, hey, buddy, we're doing this together, and
33:10
Speaker 2: the amount of complaining you're doing is actually not very
33:12
Speaker 2: kind to me. Let you know, what, can you processify
33:15
Speaker 2: yourself anyway where we'd get through the runs and then
33:20
Speaker 2: cut forward, we've done a good four or five runs
33:22
Speaker 2: now where there's been no complaining. There's been you know,
33:26
Speaker 2: keeping up and taking accountability for himself and all that
33:29
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. And then today he came, but he's
33:33
Speaker 2: had just a bit of a block nose otherwise, well,
33:36
Speaker 2: but a bit of a block nose for a good
33:39
Speaker 2: week or so. So came and we started running, and
33:42
Speaker 2: he started sort of hanging back, really hanging back, and
33:47
Speaker 2: from me from an adult in parenting, I can be
33:51
Speaker 2: helpful here point of view if I take the time
33:54
Speaker 2: machine back to before I was encouraged him by pushing
33:58
Speaker 2: a little bit because I knew that he was there
34:00
Speaker 2: was no reason for his body not to doing something
34:03
Speaker 2: hard mentally, emotionally, physically, was a good thing for him
34:08
Speaker 2: to be learning about and then today he was hanging back,
34:13
Speaker 2: not feeling quite right, and I said, hey, I'm going
34:16
Speaker 2: to run today. If you don't, if you don't feel
34:20
Speaker 2: like it's right for you today, you make that call.
34:24
Speaker 2: She said, oh, yeah, I'm going to walk for a
34:26
Speaker 2: little bit. Oh, I'll catch up to you. So I
34:28
Speaker 2: stopped at our normal stop and kind of looked back,
34:31
Speaker 2: and as a fair way back, he caught up and
34:34
Speaker 2: I said, so, what do you think are you going
34:37
Speaker 2: to run today? He said, yeah, I've got this funny
34:39
Speaker 2: pain in my shoulder, and da da da da da.
34:41
Speaker 2: I said, your call. I'm going to keep running though.
34:45
Speaker 2: And we got to the end, and another beautiful story
34:48
Speaker 2: in there. There I was hanging on the back of
34:50
Speaker 2: an old guy called Bob, and I passed Bob and
34:53
Speaker 2: I said thanks. I was hanging on your heels for
34:55
Speaker 2: a bit. That's a whole nother story. But Bob and
34:58
Speaker 2: I crossed the line together. We will help each other
35:03
Speaker 2: along the way. Whole nother story. But he got to
35:07
Speaker 2: the end of My son apologized to me for not running,
35:11
Speaker 2: and I said, buddy, don't abandon your decision now. You
35:14
Speaker 2: made a good decision for your body. You don't need
35:17
Speaker 2: to answer for my feelings when you've made a choice
35:20
Speaker 2: about what your body is telling is right for today.
35:25
Speaker 2: So there's always these fun magic moments that we get
35:30
Speaker 2: kind of learned from. But hopefully for people listening, that's
35:33
Speaker 2: a bit of an example of body literacy and the
35:38
Speaker 2: context of how you make decisions very much comes down
35:43
Speaker 2: to your identity where you're trying to go to who
35:46
Speaker 2: else you're answering for? But what what are you saying
35:50
Speaker 2: sorry for, buddy?
35:50
Speaker 1: Because I think it's amazing that you're teaching your kid that,
35:55
Speaker 1: you know, because I feel again, just my feeling. But
35:58
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four, as a collective species, we've maybe
36:04
Speaker 1: never been more disconnected from the wisdom that is our body.
36:08
Speaker 1: And I wasn't around a thousand years ago or ten
36:12
Speaker 1: thousand years ago, but I feel like our ancestors were
36:14
Speaker 1: much more plugged in to the wisdom of their own
36:18
Speaker 1: body and much more immersed in nature and had that.
36:22
Speaker 1: And of course, you know, we don't live in that
36:24
Speaker 1: time or that environment anymore. I get it, I get it,
36:27
Speaker 1: but and I think the world, well, arguably, you know
36:31
Speaker 1: a lot of where we live and how we live
36:33
Speaker 1: now is infinitely better, let's put an asterisk next to that.
36:37
Speaker 1: But also there are you know, there are things that
36:39
Speaker 1: have been lost along the way, like when you look
36:42
Speaker 1: at how intuitive and instinctive and intelligent animals are when
36:46
Speaker 1: nobody's taught them in inverted commas. And now it's like,
36:50
Speaker 1: as a species, as an animal roaming the planet, we've
36:54
Speaker 1: evolved to this point where we can't fucking understand any
37:00
Speaker 1: thing about our own body. I was going to tell
37:03
Speaker 1: you so yesterday today, being Saday, yesterday morning at Crown,
37:08
Speaker 1: I opened what is the what's it called the Ignite
37:13
Speaker 1: Fitness Business Conference for the Amazing Male Tempest, And so
37:19
Speaker 1: I did the opening keynote to a whole bunch of
37:21
Speaker 1: jim owners, gym managers, fitness professionals, blah blah blah blah blah,
37:25
Speaker 1: And I just wanted your take on this because it
37:28
Speaker 1: kind of it opened a bit of a Pandora's box,
37:33
Speaker 1: and I spoke about this. So my thoughts about the
37:37
Speaker 1: fitness industry. Fitness industry gets a lot right and a
37:43
Speaker 1: few things terribly wrong, I think, and probably a few
37:46
Speaker 1: things that could be better. But I think one of
37:48
Speaker 1: the things that the fitness industry and maybe even the
37:51
Speaker 1: health profession more broadly speaking, could start to think about
37:56
Speaker 1: is just the person underneath the body. You know. It's
38:01
Speaker 1: like we're good with bodies. We're pretty good with bodies.
38:04
Speaker 1: We're not always great with people, now, you know. And
38:07
Speaker 1: I know like, if you've got a million dollar gym
38:10
Speaker 1: and you've got you've got a PhD in exos physiology,
38:13
Speaker 1: and you've got all the resources and all the knowledge,
38:15
Speaker 1: and someone comes into that gym but you can't understand them,
38:19
Speaker 1: or they can't understand you, or they're intimidated by you,
38:23
Speaker 1: or you can't build connection and rapport and trust with
38:26
Speaker 1: them as an educator or exos physiologist or coach or
38:29
Speaker 1: dietitian or doctor or whatever, then that person's not coming back.
38:35
Speaker 1: So it doesn't matter about your fucking million dollar jim
38:38
Speaker 1: or your PhD. And I was talking about that, and
38:42
Speaker 1: I was talking about trying to help or at least
38:45
Speaker 1: trying to start the conversation around, you know, for one
38:50
Speaker 1: of a more scientific term, getting in shape, right, so
38:55
Speaker 1: changing our body in the way that someone wants their
38:57
Speaker 1: body to be changed, eether or not. That's navigating shitty
39:02
Speaker 1: posture or obesity, or reducing back pain or dealing with
39:06
Speaker 1: endometriosis or you know. One of the myriad of things
39:10
Speaker 1: that we might want to improve about our physiology and
39:12
Speaker 1: function is to get people to think about the role
39:16
Speaker 1: of the mind and how much For example, getting in
39:20
Speaker 1: shape is an emotional on a psychological process with a
39:24
Speaker 1: physical outcome. And had a guy follow me out of
39:29
Speaker 1: the room. I won't say his name because it's just
39:32
Speaker 1: a work in progress at the moment, but he owns
39:33
Speaker 1: a really big organization and he's like, would you be
39:37
Speaker 1: interested in I can't say even what country, but would
39:40
Speaker 1: you be interested in working with us and coming to
39:43
Speaker 1: this It's a country I've never been to, right and
39:46
Speaker 1: essentially what you talk about, I want you to come
39:49
Speaker 1: and talk about that over there. I'm like, well, I'm
39:53
Speaker 1: very interested. And it's funny because the stuff that I
39:56
Speaker 1: spoke about is the stuff that they've been trying to
40:00
Speaker 1: to I guess foster within under the banner of fitness
40:04
Speaker 1: and health, and I guess that you know, My long
40:06
Speaker 1: winded point is that we're just starting to open it
40:09
Speaker 1: open the door now on helping people, yes, get in
40:13
Speaker 1: shape physically, but also understand the role, the role and
40:18
Speaker 1: the integration of the mind and the emotions in the
40:22
Speaker 1: physical transformation process.
40:24
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, this is the world I leave in, Like
40:29
Speaker 2: the I understand. My role in helping people now is
40:33
Speaker 2: understanding the physiology of their story. So how do how
40:37
Speaker 2: does my identity and my stories turn up in the
40:40
Speaker 2: way operating my body? So, if you're the you know,
40:44
Speaker 2: the fitness person sitting in front of someone, part of
40:48
Speaker 2: your role is to understand that if you've got ideas
40:52
Speaker 2: that you're trying to shove down someone's throat and they're
40:55
Speaker 2: not you know, not able to do them, or they're
40:58
Speaker 2: doing them differently than you like, and you've become personally
41:01
Speaker 2: offended by that, that's you holding a value so rigidly
41:06
Speaker 2: that you can't see someone else's point of view. Therefore
41:09
Speaker 2: you are not helpful. You are just not able to
41:13
Speaker 2: be there. And I think part of that when you
41:16
Speaker 2: do really, really, really well with helping people, it changes
41:20
Speaker 2: the tape of how quickly it happens. And the fitness
41:24
Speaker 2: industry is known for twelve weeks to this, eight weeks
41:27
Speaker 2: to this summer program, all all that kind of stuff.
41:31
Speaker 2: But when it comes to a trainer understanding themselves or
41:36
Speaker 2: the exerciser understanding what it would take to commit to
41:42
Speaker 2: their health long term. Those tools are mentally emotionally uncomfortable.
41:49
Speaker 2: They are not taught in the fitness industry as well
41:53
Speaker 2: how to do them, and it doesn't happen quickly, so
41:59
Speaker 2: it doesn't really fit up with the business model business industry.
42:04
Speaker 2: And I've struggled with this as a younger clinician, and
42:10
Speaker 2: still even now as a business owner they're making making
42:16
Speaker 2: money from health. Still feel a bit odd to me
42:21
Speaker 2: because I feel like health is a right in a way,
42:26
Speaker 2: and how do we how do we do that? And
42:29
Speaker 2: ironically the only way is to become hugely financially independent
42:35
Speaker 2: and then be able to just do other things for
42:37
Speaker 2: free in the background. Yeah, but it just comes about money.
42:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, Nah, Look, I mean you can. I've said this
42:45
Speaker 1: a lot. They don't have to be mutually exclusive, Like
42:48
Speaker 1: you're really good at what you do, you should charge
42:50
Speaker 1: you know. It's like I've said this before on the show.
42:53
Speaker 1: I'm really fortunate now that I've kind of built a
42:59
Speaker 1: career and I've built an income which works for me
43:03
Speaker 1: and I don't have to do not everything I do
43:07
Speaker 1: needs to be for money. So I'm lucky that I
43:10
Speaker 1: would say about twenty percent of my work in inverted commas.
43:13
Speaker 1: And if you call work helping people, supporting people, coaching people,
43:16
Speaker 1: sitting with people. You know, maybe fifteen percent of what
43:19
Speaker 1: I do I do for nothing, and I do it gladly,
43:21
Speaker 1: and I hope in ten years fifty percent or more
43:26
Speaker 1: of what I do is just helping people. Right, It's
43:28
Speaker 1: like with no financial kind of component to it. But
43:32
Speaker 1: at the same time, you know, I have three people
43:34
Speaker 1: who work for me. You know, bills, you have bills.
43:37
Speaker 1: There's a practical reality. I don't think you being an
43:39
Speaker 1: awesome you being an awesome human and helping people. It
43:43
Speaker 1: doesn't need to be mutually exclusive because there is a
43:46
Speaker 1: commercial value to what you do. But I just one
43:51
Speaker 1: last thing I wanted to chat about, So getting old. Yeah,
43:58
Speaker 1: so the last couple of weeks, and I can't say
44:01
Speaker 1: too much, but just so, my dad's had a few challenges, right,
44:07
Speaker 1: and it's been an interesting time. And my parents lived
44:12
Speaker 1: two hours away, which is fine, but there are times
44:15
Speaker 1: where I'm driving up and back two days in a row,
44:18
Speaker 1: you know, So it's four hours of driving on a Monday,
44:20
Speaker 1: four hours driving on a Tuesday, and I'm okay with that.
44:23
Speaker 1: That's fine, but.
44:25
Speaker 2: It's makes a tricky agree, it.
44:27
Speaker 1: Makes it tricky, right, But what's and I mean, you
44:30
Speaker 1: know stuff right, you know, of course a life's more
44:32
Speaker 1: important than a fucking bank balance, and you know, we
44:35
Speaker 1: say all these things, and it's just like, my dad's
44:39
Speaker 1: been in hospital this week, a couple of challenges. It
44:42
Speaker 1: thought to be let out on a thought to be
44:45
Speaker 1: let out Thursday, and he wasn't, and he ended up
44:47
Speaker 1: being able to be released yesterday, and I went to
44:50
Speaker 1: get him. I might even give a shout out to
44:53
Speaker 1: Saint John have got hospital in Verick. They were fucking amazing,
44:57
Speaker 1: so thank you to them for looking after my dad.
45:01
Speaker 1: But then, you know, seeing your eighty five year old
45:04
Speaker 1: dad who doesn't, you know, understandably doesn't understand the language
45:09
Speaker 1: like all the medical you know, and he and Ron
45:12
Speaker 1: makes sure you do this and don't do that, and
45:14
Speaker 1: here's that, and everyone's good. But it's like that, the
45:18
Speaker 1: speed of the conversation, the words being used, and the
45:22
Speaker 1: you know, like all of this kind of understandable medical
45:25
Speaker 1: jargon because it's a medical environment. But then I'm trying
45:29
Speaker 1: to decode everything for him and then kind of put
45:34
Speaker 1: it in layman's terms without it being terrifying, and then yeah,
45:41
Speaker 1: like getting him home to mum and then Mum's worried
45:44
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to explain to Mum what's going on,
45:46
Speaker 1: and you know, and Mum gets anxious about Dad and
45:50
Speaker 1: Dad gets anxious about Mum, and then it's fuck now.
45:53
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, you go, oh, I'm Dad. Now,
45:57
Speaker 1: I'm Dad. Now I'm Dad, and oh God, God bless them,
46:03
Speaker 1: and you just I don't know, I'm being a bit
46:05
Speaker 1: deep and philosophical, but you kind of you get to
46:08
Speaker 1: a point and everyone does this and this is this
46:10
Speaker 1: has been said billions of times, but you know where
46:13
Speaker 1: you go, this is actually all that matters, Like this
46:16
Speaker 1: is all that matters. Like my priority these days is
46:19
Speaker 1: really how do I What can I do to make
46:22
Speaker 1: them okay? What can I do to make them less
46:24
Speaker 1: terrified more comfortable? You know? What is how do I
46:29
Speaker 1: how do I make the next one two, five years
46:32
Speaker 1: or however long they have? What can I do to
46:35
Speaker 1: make that as close to a good experience as an
46:39
Speaker 1: eighty five year old a couple can have? You know?
46:43
Speaker 1: So that's been my that's been my week.
46:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's hard, right because it feels it feels
46:50
Speaker 2: not too dissimilar to the fitness industry conversation. Like it's
46:54
Speaker 2: really is that in the end, the person in front
46:59
Speaker 2: of you has to choose what their mental emotional capacity
47:03
Speaker 2: is and how much they're able to deal with it
47:06
Speaker 2: and the choices that they make under that pressure, and
47:10
Speaker 2: they might align with your moral and value code and
47:14
Speaker 2: they and it might not. And then that's where this
47:17
Speaker 2: kind of you know, what's what my role in this
47:20
Speaker 2: kind of organization of a family? How does how does
47:24
Speaker 2: that fit in there? And that that in itself can
47:26
Speaker 2: feel a bit uncomfortable because it's just not as smooth
47:29
Speaker 2: as the day to day when there's you're throwing that
47:32
Speaker 2: little bit of challenge in there as well. I think, yeah,
47:36
Speaker 2: it's it's big and I think I think when we
47:39
Speaker 2: go off that version of autopilot to the scary version
47:43
Speaker 2: of autopilot, is you know, how long will these poor
47:48
Speaker 2: people in my life be there for?
47:51
Speaker 1: It?
47:51
Speaker 2: Does? It's like the interview at the end of the Olympics,
47:56
Speaker 2: the guy with the TBI that you said at the start,
47:58
Speaker 2: like you've got you in there, almost drawn out version
48:02
Speaker 2: of intensity that doesn't kind of go away, It just
48:05
Speaker 2: rattles away. In the back of your mind and changes
48:08
Speaker 2: the way you operate and what you want to do.
48:10
Speaker 2: And it's kind of a rattling of fear that follows
48:14
Speaker 2: you around.
48:16
Speaker 1: And it's different when like I've spent my life helping
48:19
Speaker 1: people with their health, and then when it's your mum
48:21
Speaker 1: and dad, it's like, oh, this is quite different, isn't it. Hey,
48:24
Speaker 1: last thing, I thought of one more thing that I
48:26
Speaker 1: meant to talk about earlier. You ready, So you know,
48:31
Speaker 1: when I get excited about something, I do bang on
48:33
Speaker 1: about it. I will be less excited and bang on
48:35
Speaker 1: less about this after this, everyone. But I read a
48:38
Speaker 1: book recently called Unfollow, and I've spoken about it. I've
48:42
Speaker 1: mentioned it probably three times. Fuck it. It's called Unfollow
48:46
Speaker 1: by a lady called Megan Phelps Roper who was part
48:51
Speaker 1: of a church called the Westboro Baptist Church, which is
48:56
Speaker 1: a cult, a religious cult. And oh my god, just
49:02
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've read over a thousand books in
49:04
Speaker 1: my life. I'm sure I've read a lot of books,
49:06
Speaker 1: listen to a lot of books more recently than read.
49:08
Speaker 1: I listened to that full disclosure right now. Anyway, Maybe
49:14
Speaker 1: it'll change over time, but right now it's in my
49:17
Speaker 1: top five books. And I can't even tell you why.
49:20
Speaker 1: Well I can, but anyway, enough, I fucking I was
49:23
Speaker 1: so interested. Now you on my recommendation, and thank you.
49:28
Speaker 1: You just listen to it. What are your thoughts?
49:31
Speaker 2: I'm not finished, but to your point, like I cannot stop,
49:36
Speaker 2: I think, you know, I get the thing about reading
49:38
Speaker 2: versus listening. Some people, you know, think that they're devaluing
49:42
Speaker 2: something about it when you listen. But there is something
49:46
Speaker 2: captivating about hearing her voice saying it.
49:51
Speaker 1: Yes.
49:51
Speaker 2: It's just there's a calmness to it, and there's attention
49:56
Speaker 2: to the whole thing. It's just an't I can't put
50:01
Speaker 2: it down. And the insights that she has around the
50:06
Speaker 2: coercive nature and the confusion of, you know, to our point,
50:11
Speaker 2: living in a family unit that operates in a particular
50:15
Speaker 2: way that you think this is the you know, how
50:17
Speaker 2: you should operate and live. And there was so many
50:21
Speaker 2: for me, just confirming moments where I was like, oh
50:24
Speaker 2: my god, I feel feel that way about my little world.
50:28
Speaker 2: And yeah, I felt great relief when she's left and
50:32
Speaker 2: when she's processing the trauma of being controlled and what
50:38
Speaker 2: that looks like and the fear that the complete sphere
50:42
Speaker 2: that she had to move through to believe, and the
50:45
Speaker 2: amazing strength of her to not blame but see the
50:49
Speaker 2: difference of my my you know, my family are good people,
50:53
Speaker 2: but the mind washing that they've gone through, the brainwashing
50:57
Speaker 2: is very much you know how how they're operating. And
51:02
Speaker 2: there was this one bit I text you before. There
51:04
Speaker 2: was a bit that I'm up to and it was
51:06
Speaker 2: not a story or a fable that I've heard of before,
51:10
Speaker 2: and it was The Snail and the Rose Bush before. Yeah, anyway,
51:14
Speaker 2: and the Snail and the rose Bush, and it's a
51:19
Speaker 2: it's an author that I need to go back and
51:20
Speaker 2: check because it's one of you know, the great painted
51:24
Speaker 2: authors of all time. And the snails disgrunted by the
51:28
Speaker 2: world and the rose bushes like but what about the
51:31
Speaker 2: world's beauty and what you can give? And the snail
51:34
Speaker 2: is you know, to put in in courage terms like
51:36
Speaker 2: fuck the world, it's done nothing for me. And she
51:40
Speaker 2: then sort of came to this realization that she was
51:43
Speaker 2: the rose bush fighting for using the religious platform to
51:47
Speaker 2: fight for what they thought was, you know, the thing.
51:51
Speaker 2: And she's like, actually, no, I'm now the snail. I
51:54
Speaker 2: have to just turn in wood and keep it all
51:56
Speaker 2: in wood and just figure out how to operate now.
52:00
Speaker 2: And I text you something else that just made me go, oh,
52:05
Speaker 2: it blew my mind of what did I write? Just
52:09
Speaker 2: having a quick look the snail and the rose bush
52:13
Speaker 2: and the illusion of self This is what I wrote,
52:15
Speaker 2: the illusion of self control when living in a collective
52:18
Speaker 2: confirmation bias and with no real choices, And this idea
52:23
Speaker 2: that how she navigates now trying to navigate normal relationships
52:29
Speaker 2: because she's fighting with her disburse the moment because they're
52:33
Speaker 2: so used to their emotions and thoughts being controlled by
52:37
Speaker 2: an external Now that they're able to openly participate in conversations,
52:43
Speaker 2: they're having conflict because they've never learned how to have
52:49
Speaker 2: their own processes. They were just put in a little box.
52:53
Speaker 1: Well and that blue Yeah, it's literally it's literally the
52:58
Speaker 1: epitome versus of being told what to think, yes, and
53:05
Speaker 1: what to believe, as opposed to being taught how to
53:09
Speaker 1: think and like, how to think critically and then come
53:14
Speaker 1: to your own belief values, ideas understanding. Yeah. And the
53:19
Speaker 1: interesting thing is that they all grew up like they
53:24
Speaker 1: were born into that, Like she didn't join it when
53:27
Speaker 1: she was twenty. She was literally from the days she
53:30
Speaker 1: was born. She was born into that cult of thought
53:33
Speaker 1: and that cult of belief and that cult of behavior,
53:36
Speaker 1: and so there was never really any question of are
53:40
Speaker 1: we in the right place, because they knew in inverted
53:44
Speaker 1: commas that they were God's chosen and that everyone in
53:48
Speaker 1: the world apart from them wasn't. And when you know,
53:53
Speaker 1: she started protesting with placards when she was five years old.
53:58
Speaker 2: She couldn't read them. She didn't know she was she
54:00
Speaker 2: was holding amazing.
54:03
Speaker 1: It is. Let's not let's not start a cult. Anytime
54:07
Speaker 1: I think I could start a cult, but I'll refrain. Yeah,
54:13
Speaker 1: I'm too lazy to be a cult leader. But a
54:15
Speaker 1: lot of work.
54:16
Speaker 2: Fuck that bring up a lot of money. True, Yeah,
54:20
Speaker 2: it's a little business.
54:21
Speaker 1: If I was going to which I wouldn't. But if
54:22
Speaker 1: I was going to start a cult, firstly, i'd call
54:25
Speaker 1: it a cult so we were transparent. There'd be no
54:30
Speaker 1: financial contributions, so then people can't question that. We'd have
54:35
Speaker 1: to you'd have to come up with a lot of transparency.
54:38
Speaker 1: But it would be funny to call a cult a cult.
54:42
Speaker 1: So there, so there's no there's no question mark. Oh yeah,
54:46
Speaker 1: of course, we're completely a cult. It's just we own
54:49
Speaker 1: up right here we are. You want to join the cult,
54:53
Speaker 1: let us know where can people find you?
54:55
Speaker 2: Anna still at my dear annamovement dot com, which I
55:00
Speaker 2: had a great epiphany on my website as I was
55:03
Speaker 2: running as oh, here's a way to fix it. So
55:06
Speaker 2: get out there and move if you're trying to solve
55:08
Speaker 2: a problem. Instagram. I'm on Instagram, I'm on LinkedIn, and
55:15
Speaker 2: I'm running a couple of programs at the moment which
55:18
Speaker 2: people are loving. So there's a lunch and learn for
55:21
Speaker 2: figuring out your identity impairingmenopause and what that means for
55:24
Speaker 2: exercise and mental health and all those amazing things. And yeah,
55:29
Speaker 2: other projects and supports and speakings going on as well,
55:33
Speaker 2: So have a little look in there or reach out
55:36
Speaker 2: if people want to.
55:38
Speaker 1: Awesome. I'm going to leave you with this to think about. So,
55:41
Speaker 1: the our current crop of Olympians, the ones who have
55:45
Speaker 1: won a gold medal, So this is the best in
55:49
Speaker 1: the world. The Olympic champion, the Olympic gold medalist wins
55:54
Speaker 1: twenty thousand dollars. And then that's piece of information number two,
56:00
Speaker 1: Number one. Number two is this the first round loser
56:04
Speaker 1: at Wimbledon gets seventy six thousand dollars. I'll leave you
56:09
Speaker 1: with that. Thanks for being on the show, Champion.
56:12
Speaker 2: Thanks Craig. Have a good day everyone,