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Chicago Draft Room: DJ Moore's Gone, Dalman's Done & the Bears' Draft Blueprint · 2nd City Gridiron

• 0:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome into the second installation of Chicago Draft Room 2026, along with Jacob and Fonte.
• 0:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: I am Ari Tempkins, a great to have you with us.
• 0:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: And this crazy, busy Thursday.
• 0:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: It feels like, man, last week, there's some news that broke for us on our Thursday show.
• 0:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: And once again, a pretty significant news with the Bears this Thursday.
• 0:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: it's up Jacob Horia.
• 0:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing all right.
• 0:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a busy time of year honestly with everything that's going on with the bears that we'll talk into and then you know coming off the combine for agency coming in I mean it's just it's busy but it's it's a fun type of busy for sure.
• 0:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I mean, it's been a busy week for Ryan Polls and the Bears Organization.
• 0:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, obviously, as we focus specifically on the draft, there's a lot that happen that impacts the draft.
• 0:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: So let's start with the news around their center, Drew Dalman, you know, certainly somebody that we didn't expect.
• 0:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: We talked about this off season, but he retires right in the prime of his career.
• 1:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, leaves the bears in a little bit of lurch here at the center position, which
• 1:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's, it feels like it's a position that the bears had not solidified for a long time.
• 1:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, obviously we think back to old recruits in those days, but you know, they finally did and found the right guy and, and, you know, one year later and the bears were back shopping for another center.
• 1:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: But to me, it's, you know, it left tackles a important position, obviously, because you're protecting the quarterback's blind site.
• 1:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: But center is, center is the leadership position on the offensive line.
• 1:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: They set the protection.
• 1:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: you know that part and I think you know when you have continuity amongst the interior of that line you know now in some ways you have to start over at center yeah I mean and it's a it's a tough loss for sure I mean we don't know for sure what was going into his decision I'm sure you know I could hazard a guess it's just long-term health uh
• 1:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, he didn't make a statement or anything.
• 1:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we're kind of coming to our conclusions on that.
• 2:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that, I mean, it's definitely a big loss when you have a guy who's that intelligent.
• 2:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, moves that well and is such a good option, you know, as like a zone run blocker.
• 2:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think he does, you know, that's a tremendous loss for sure.
• 2:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think the good thing about the timing of this is that it's a pretty good,
• 2:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: free agent class of centers.
• 2:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, obviously Tyler Lenderbaum being the top guy, but you know, whether it's like Tyler Beaudish or Kate Mays or Lloyd Kushenberry, you know, you have some options to work with here on the open market.
• 2:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, would your preference be to devote free agency dollars to that position or do you think, because look, interior alignment, tend to go later in the draft.
• 2:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I mean, I remember, and in my years covering the big 12, you know, with Creed Humphrey, when he was coming out of Oklahoma, I mean, he slipped the second round.
• 3:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it wasn't maybe as much as somebody's other guys do, but it's like, you're going to get a center, you're going to plug in for the middle of your offensive line for the next decade.
• 3:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, do you think that there are guys in this draft that you could plug in and start from day one, especially again, going back to that idea of its leadership position,
• 3:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I think it's definitely possible, but I think it'd be tough to come about, honestly, just because I mean, like you mentioned the so much of it's the mental aspect of it, I think there are a lot of
• 3:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Or I say a lot of, maybe like, you know, six potentially seven centers or projectible centers, who I think could start relatively early in their careers.
• 3:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know about day one.
• 3:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: My guess is that the bears dedicate some sort of, you know, free agent investment of that position, whether it's, you know, they, they go all in on a guy that linder bomb or any the other veterans or Connor McGovern is another, you know, top name as well who's going to command top money.
• 3:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just think that having that veteran presence, especially for a team that is looking to win now, I think is extremely beneficial for them as opposed to a rookie where you might have a little bit of a learning curve going in and I mean, the bears know is good as anybody that you can't afford to go super cheap at center.
• 4:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: just because that doesn't work out for for the bears honestly, uh, but at the same time, I think that the veterans probably the way to go.
• 4:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Do you, are there any centers you like in this draft?
• 4:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so none to take in the first round.
• 4:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 4:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: And traditionally again, guards centers are not going in the first round unless they're just, you know, all time great,
• 4:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, football is about three things.
• 4:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's about the quarterback, protecting the quarterback and rushing the quarterback.
• 4:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's traditionally what you take in the first round.
• 4:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no 100%.
• 4:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you look at, you know, there's a lot of solid day to value in this class.
• 5:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: My top center is Brian Parker, the second out of Duke.
• 5:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he's again, he's someone you translate or expect him to project inside at the next lovely play tackle at Duke.
• 5:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: So probably a little bit of,
• 5:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, more of a projection than a natural center like Conor Lou out of Auburn who probably would have been my center one if he hadn't torn his ACL that end his year.
• 5:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Jake Slater from Florida, Logan Jones from Iowa, Sam Hacked from Kansas State, Trasune, the third from Texas A&M, Parker Brailsford from Alabama.
• 5:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a lot of names.
• 5:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and a lot of them I have pretty similarly ranked in like that third round fourth round range.
• 5:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's really the sweet spot of centers in this class, like you mentioned, it's, you know, a lot of these, a lot of reliable starting centers were mid round late round picks.
• 5:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's kind of interesting.
• 5:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: You have a handful of linemen in this year's class who
• 6:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you wait a little bit on those type of guys.
• 6:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: So there's a lot of talent there.
• 6:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think with that third round pick, I'd especially like to see them look at a center.
• 6:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: But as far as day one starters go, I think a veteran's probably your best bet in this year's class.
• 6:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, it's interesting.
• 6:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: I hosted the Cowboys pregame show, preimposed game show for five years.
• 6:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: And in that time, the Cowboys drafted both Tyler Beodish and Connor McGuvern.
• 6:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: And,
• 6:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, McGovern, I remember, I mean, I think he was an interior that they projected to be a right guard, you know, situation, not a center.
• 6:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was not a good guard, and, I mean, he's been much better at center.
• 6:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Beyondish was in a tough spot, but as you remember, that was right at the time that Travis Frederick retired sort of similarly to Drew Dullman, now Frederick had.
• 6:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: You'll get on beret syndrome, but that was a guy kind of in the prime of his career and and be otters came into a tough spot where you're trying to replace kind of a guy that was really productive up front.
• 7:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: But out of that group, I mean, Linda Baum, the the he's the obvious one, but is he going to cost too much relative to what you should spend on a center.
• 7:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: And is, is that, you know, what's your read on the free agency class relative to center again given that like Linder bombs the home run, but are you going to pay basically he's going to become the highest paid center in league when no one's so many sides him.
• 7:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so.
• 7:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Linda Baum, I anticipate if he's not going to be the top center, he's going to be at least top three.
• 7:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you're looking at a significant amount of money in that, you know, kind of Creed Humphrey sort of range.
• 7:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: So if, you know, checking right now to see on, you know, from a perspective of what centers make on a yearly basis, right now, Creed Humphrey makes $18 million a year.
• 7:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that Linda bombs gonna surpass that by a decent amount.
• 7:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think I saw a report that said like $25 million, I think that's, that's, you know, a little steep.
• 8:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that, you know, $7 million more than the current first place center earner is all that accurate but at the same time, I think that this is gonna start to set more of a strong market for the center position because one yet four current active centers are making more than $10 million a year on average.
• 8:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's not,
• 8:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: representative enough of how valuable that position can be, agreed.
• 8:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was five, but then with Drew Dalman retiring, I mean, that's a staggering number where you have four centers.
• 8:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, in theory, that's, I mean, it's probably it's one center per, you know, two pro-bullars, two alternates.
• 8:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: And nobody else is making more than 10 million here as a starting offensive line into the NFL.
• 8:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's, it's crazy to me.
• 9:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you're not going to be able to, I mean, you're not making tackle money.
• 9:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, not, you're not getting like a Rashid Walker, for example, the left tackle for the Packers.
• 9:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's an average starting tackle.
• 9:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's probably going to make over $20 million a year.
• 9:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: An average starting center isn't going to make $20 million a year just because that's, you know,
• 9:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're up the middle.
• 9:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're not facing guys one on one is often the task of difficulty, respectfully, isn't as high.
• 9:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: But it's still a very valuable position.
• 9:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think Linda Baum's going to set that straight.
• 9:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think my govern's going to get a good amount of money to and some of the other guys I mentioned as well earlier, I think will
• 9:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: if they don't get more than 10 million year, I think they're certainly going to flirt with it.
• 9:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think slowly but surely you're going to start to see that center market take shape and change a little bit more.
• 9:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I want to get obviously deeper into the draft because the trade today with DJ Moore, but just real quickly for reference, I want to say, say Juan Barclay, obviously the top of the
• 10:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think the only position right now that is less, then center is tight-end.
• 10:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think the highest paid tight-end is at 18 million, which, you know, deck press got to think it's gonna make 56 million next year.
• 10:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, again, like, yeah, this to your, like, and this is where this is how you win in the NFL.
• 10:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's why the draft is so important because you have to get guys to outperform how much money they're making in a hard cap.
• 10:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: The problem is when you have a quarterback at the top of the market, it's almost impossible to do.
• 10:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so you have to, I mean, obviously the bears don't, but like, that you have to apply a certain amount of cash to the center position, especially, you know, I wouldn't say they're cash-rapped because nobody is.
• 10:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: You've always restructured and get out of money, but it's just not a highly paid position.
• 10:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, Drew Dolan was perfect in that way that he was, you know, compensated close to the at league average and was a,
• 11:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, above average to really good center, especially in this offensive line, especially in leadership position.
• 11:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, I'm going to be a difficult spot to replace on a bears offensive line that was surprisingly very good last year.
• 11:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: The state surprisingly, because it had been a long time since the bears had had a good offensive line, even a good offensive line.
• 11:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's get to the huge deal, which happened today as we're on chronologically through the week, Drew Dalman retires.
• 11:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then today, DJ Moore is traded.
• 11:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: I believe he had an Instagram post this morning with he and his son looking out.
• 11:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it was like some like goodbye post that he had before this trade one public.
• 11:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's funny what athletes do that, especially like the like the metaphorical ones, like the door was open and they're both like peering out into space.
• 11:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Look, we, we questioned if Ryan polls was the guy last week on their show.
• 11:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, I still think there's legitimate question to about his ability to draft you fancy players, but this is a damn good trade for Ryan.
• 12:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: uh, to end up with a second round pick and a top 60 pick.
• 12:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, the bears now have or top 40 pick.
• 12:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Excuse me, the bears now have three top 40 picks, which is insane.
• 12:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: And, and not to mention the cap relief they're getting from from DJ more.
• 12:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Jacob, I mean, that's, this is one of the best deals we've seen Ryan Pulse make.
• 12:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, 100% like now you're looking at like four, you factor in the third round pick.
• 12:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's four selections in the top 90 now.
• 12:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's right.
• 12:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Four in the top 90 and three in the top 60 because it's what 47 and 50 or.
• 12:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it I just pulled up on tank.
• 12:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: If I decided no with the third round or was so 25, 57, 60 and 89.
• 12:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, 57, 68, 85.
• 12:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what they have in the first three to the first two days of the draft.
• 12:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: That becomes that's huge.
• 12:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I like you said, I mean, we speculated, you know, last week, like, is pulls the guy like is he going to be, you know, someone you can trust to keep this team sustainable, but
• 13:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Then you see, he trades moves off a DJ more freeing up $16.5 million in cap space and you get a second round pick out of it.
• 13:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you deal out of fifth, but at that point, you're playing with house money.
• 13:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the second round pick is massive.
• 13:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like you're talking a fifth round pick that's probably a backup, a late second rounder, you're looking at a potential starter.
• 13:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's a
• 13:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: where you have a good handful of needs, I mean, defensive tackle, defensive end, linebacker, safety, center, maybe offensive tackle.
• 13:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Some of those positions, you'll feel address and free agency, obviously, but you have a decent amount of needs.
• 13:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, with three selections in the top 16, form the top 90,
• 14:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: you have those opportunities to take advantage of a deep linebacker class of a deep safety class.
• 14:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you want to throw a receiver in there depending on how active they are on the free agency period here, which we'll see in the coming days and weeks how that all plays out.
• 14:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm from the peer draft capital value alone.
• 14:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm really stoked about this trade.
• 14:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: When I first saw the trade I figured it was a third round pick, and I was like that, that'd be nice.
• 14:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: That'd be pretty sweet.
• 14:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's fifth and end up with a second, like I'd rather, if the option is a third or swap a fifth for a second, it's a no-brainer.
• 14:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, totally.
• 14:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think Ian Rappaport said, it's like, of for mid-round compensation.
• 14:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, okay, does that mean like a fourth round or maybe it's, I mean, it's, you know, third or fourth, yeah, third or fourth, you know, with the bills being laid in that third round there, but the second round to really threw me by surprise.
• 15:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: And like I wasn't shocked that the bear's traded DJ more, like a lot of people have been talking about it.
• 15:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we've been talking about it, but.
• 15:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because the cap space situation, but I think it's the fact that they were able to get a haul much higher than a lot of us were expecting that's really the most impressive part in all this.
• 15:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, hats off to Ryan Polls, I guess.
• 15:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, we'll see what he does with the draft pick.
• 15:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I think it's a no-brainer.
• 15:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was a no-brainer to trade your white or someone who's probably going to be your wide receiver three next year, making $28 million a year to trade that
• 15:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: offload more than half of that cap hit and to get a second round pick out of the mix I mean that's very well done very well done.
• 15:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, look, we also kind of briefly touched on DJ Moore and what role he may have played in the last play of the bear season with an interception from Caleb Williams that maybe DJ Moore didn't finish the route who knows.
• 16:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot that goes on within a football play that is growing in on any one player at any time can be difficult, but did to read this in the right up from Matt Harman of Yahoo Sports on this trade?
• 16:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, he spoke about how good of a fit DJ is for the bills who don't really have any receivers, even though they have one of the most expensive roasters and football-based receiver.
• 16:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy.
• 16:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but he said more isn't a fit for everyone as a top outside receiver.
• 16:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: He could be elusive with his route details and needs the right touch of roll catering.
• 16:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: It makes sense why he just wasn't a fit for the maniacally detailed Ben Johnson Chicago, but this could work with Buffalo, right?
• 16:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going back to that.
• 16:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: That interception by Caleb where, you know, certainly you can look at DJ and wonder if he if he finished the, you know, who was off somebody was off in that play, but I think that speaks to what we talked about DJ DJ was great Chicago.
• 17:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he is some iconic plays will always remember and I think he was a really good receiver on some very bad bearish teams, but this offense and this team have graduated from the needs of DJ more right now.
• 17:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, 100%.
• 17:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that I don't remember who it was.
• 17:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Somebody pointed out that DJ Moore's best seasons with the Panthers were when Joe Brady was the offensive coordinator over there.
• 17:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then now he's the head coach at, you know, a Carolina, he's the head coach of Buffalo now.
• 17:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: So having a beat like you said, it's not a great fit.
• 17:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: for DJ more for someone to be like a little more lack of musical with his is route effort and the you know the fine tuning and the precision, but if the bills let him improvise a little more and if I trust him to do that then I could see him doing really well.
• 17:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: He still will talent at player and like I part of me gets
• 17:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: why some bears fans wanted to keep him.
• 17:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, one, there's the emotional attachment, obviously, that I know.
• 17:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot of fans won't like to admit, but, you know, it's it plays a part in the factor of, oh, he made big plays for us.
• 18:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want him to leave, but he doesn't miss games, Jake.
• 18:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's the reality of it.
• 18:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah.
• 18:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: This dude does not miss games, Roman Dune says missed a ton of games in his first couple of years.
• 18:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, burden missed a couple of games this year.
• 18:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Colson lip missed a game, right?
• 18:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, guys missed this dude.
• 18:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: DJ more plays in every game.
• 18:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't know.
• 18:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: And he gets hurt in a game.
• 18:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: He gets takes a big lick.
• 18:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: He gets hurt.
• 18:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's down.
• 18:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: He gets up.
• 18:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's on the field.
• 18:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: The next play.
• 18:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, genuinely.
• 18:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: And like I think it's, you know, he brings a good amount of value to an offense.
• 18:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just think for the bears with all the defensive needs they have, it made all the sense to offload that.
• 18:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: And when you've invested in burden, a doomsay, love, land, and you have coal command in the Pasic attack as well.
• 18:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like you still have, you're not hurting for weapons, right?
• 18:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think this was a move where,
• 19:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe if they, I don't know, is it playing revision a history here?
• 19:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe if they were a little smarter with the defensive line spending last year instead of it being Dio and Grady Jarrett.
• 19:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe if you got two other guys they're like more so impactful players.
• 19:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe wouldn't have to trade DJ more, but you know, at the great point.
• 19:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I think,
• 19:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: You are where you are you learn from your mistakes and you adjust and I think that pulls did a good job of adjusting and figuring out the opportunities to Upgrade the roster create more cap space increase the draft capital.
• 19:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm I'm all for this for sure.
• 19:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Now you got to hit on these defensive players.
• 19:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: So all right.
• 19:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about these top 90 picks then.
• 19:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: So with this second-round pick coming, that's three in the top 60 and then the 4th at 89.
• 19:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: So four in the top 90, that's four in the first two days of the draft, as you said, and as you said.
• 19:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: So where, I mean, you know, we could sit here and talk like all four should be defense.
• 20:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: The bears and I agree with the strategy that Poles says embraced and talked about publicly that like he's going to always take the best of all when you're born.
• 20:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's always the right approach.
• 20:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I would say in the first turn of the best player on their board's wide receiver, they probably should still go defense, but I digress.
• 20:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, valid.
• 20:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: But, no, I mean, what, where do you see that?
• 20:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Where do you see them going?
• 20:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I know you wrote about, you know, you did a mock for, for Wendy's city grid iron.
• 20:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, just, just give us an update on where you think the bears will go first round and maybe in these four picks in the top 90.
• 20:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I mean, I think a lot of the best value in the first round is going to come a defensive tackle and, you know, like, like you mentioned in the mock that I did for the bears I had Peter Woods going 25th overall.
• 20:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Granted, it's a little bit hit or miss about whether or not.
• 20:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be there as far as with a consensus things.
• 20:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I used the the PFS and mock draft simulator to simulate the other picks around me.
• 21:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Some mocks have Peter Edwards going as high as 14 to the, you know, the Ravens.
• 21:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Others haven't dropping out of the first round entirely.
• 21:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I happen to be more in the former, where I'm in a very high on him, so I'd say even if it's not Peter Woods though, Kaden McDonald as a high level run defender, Lee Hunter as a big body nose tackle who can rush the passer a bit, Kristen Miller as a high floor, good leveraged football player who can stop the run and has some upside as a passerasure to tap into and then Caleb
• 21:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let me stop you first.
• 21:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so let's talk about the first two guys, right, because I think the consensus from most of the mocks would be majority of mock drafts across, you know, across the media have McDonald or woods.
• 21:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Three, four, is a three technique.
• 22:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: He is more of an athletic interior guy like you start to see from these best defense, these best defense.
• 22:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: McDonald is more of the legit nose tackle.
• 22:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's the space-eating, run-stuffer.
• 22:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: So those are, you know, I think at least for where we sit right now, who knows what happens on draft day, but those are the majority of the guys that are that are mocked to the bearish right now.
• 22:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: So where would you prefer the bear's went if both were available?
• 22:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so honestly, I'd lean Peter Woods and I think for, you know, the reason you mentioned to the explosiveness off the line of skirmish, what he brings is a past rusher, the diversity of moves that he can string together to, you know, to beat offensive linemen at the point of the attack.
• 22:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's deeper than what McDonald has and while I think McDonald's bigger and stronger, you know, I do think that wood still has.
• 22:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it plays with good pad level.
• 22:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's got a high football IQ.
• 22:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Still an impact player in the run game just in a different way.
• 23:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I see Woods as a player who's more likely to be a three-ounce starter right away.
• 23:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think McDonald is going to be a really good run stuffer in the NFL.
• 23:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's just a matter of as a pass rush or what's he going to bring to the table.
• 23:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and because the
• 23:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: but I think, you know, he's not the most explosive interior defender.
• 23:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's not the most crafty as far as his counter game goes.
• 23:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: The first initial move is good, you know, if that doesn't work, then maybe not so much, but I'd lean woods out of the two.
• 23:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think, you know, the both very talented defensive tackles.
• 23:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think you can go wrong one way or the other, but if both of them happen to be on the board at 25, woods is probably the way I'd go.
• 23:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you also mentioned Lee Hunter and I'm just going to mention this for J2K designs off the bat that we know he's got a horrible RAS score.
• 23:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, and he did not have a very good combine from a test perspective, right?
• 24:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: So we've got to interior, you know, Russia, you know, a three technique, but not he didn't test very well, athletically.
• 24:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I'm a fan of Lee Hunter,
• 24:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I will I will say I think that RAS is a little bit harsh to nose tackles because I mean so many those guys are just, you know, they're big space eaters.
• 24:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're not the fastest.
• 24:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're not they can't jump out of the gym.
• 24:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: You don't necessarily need them to, so yeah, I think it's something to keep in mind with hunters evaluation.
• 24:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think he's more of like an early round two prospect, but I could see.
• 24:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: a team go and hey, this is a big body.
• 24:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: He can, you know, plug up the run pretty well and he's got this, you know, these flashes as a past rush or that are really good.
• 24:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe the consistency isn't at the same level of McDonald or the explosiveness isn't the same level of woods, but he's an intriguing combination of this massive dude who can move pretty well.
• 25:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it'll be interesting to see where he plays out.
• 25:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if the Bears go in that direction, but he's a lot of fun to watch.
• 25:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I wouldn't blame them if they do go in that direction.
• 25:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's going with the RAS.
• 25:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's got a great personality.
• 25:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like the dude is he'd be perfect for the Bears.
• 25:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: And he'd be like a great Bears defensively.
• 25:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like he just has that personality.
• 25:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: And at the end of the day, sometimes guys are able to get to the quarterback.
• 25:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, like consistently, like they can do it at every level, you know, like that, that one of the most translatable skills and football is guys that can get after the quarterback and college tend to be able to do that in the NFL too.
• 25:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I feel that way.
• 25:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
• 25:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: So okay, I stopped you.
• 25:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think after Lehon or so, you know, do you think.
• 25:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you said, Lee Hunter, you think it's a second round pick, do you think the bears will have their option to take either woods or McDonald at 25 and if not, you know, are there other guys that you could project in that spot or do you go out of defensive tackle because it's not good enough beyond those two guys at 25.
• 26:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think I'd still look to go detack.
• 26:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I think I'd feel comfortable with Kristen Miller at 25.
• 26:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a name not a lot of not enough people have talked about just because he's not the flashiest prospect in the world.
• 26:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: But he's a really good run defender over the top, you know, over the course of his time at Georgia, you know, quick off the line of skirmish, you know, got good, you know, flexion and his lower body does a good job of keeping his pads low, strong anchor, good spatial awareness
• 26:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think the thing with him is Georgia rotates their defense of Lyman so much to the point where he didn't get as much of an opportunity as a past Russia as I would like, but the flashes he's shown are really intriguing.
• 26:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, the quickness, some of the finesse in his hands when he gets the timing and the placement of the strikes right can be really good.
• 26:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Still a work in progress, obviously, a little bit unprune as a past Russia, but I think he's got a
• 27:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, and then there's Caleb Banks, which we can go through that and also, sorry, to break this, it's just came in, Adam Shefter says the bears are releasing tremendous events.
• 27:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 27:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 27:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
• 27:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: So they didn't get a trade going.
• 27:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right.
• 27:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
• 27:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: They shopped them around.
• 27:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: They were some rumors.
• 27:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: They could move them and they couldn't.
• 27:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
• 27:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.
• 27:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 27:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, I got my hopes up that I got my hopes up that is like, oh, teams are interested in trading for them.
• 27:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: I guess they just didn't find, you know, good enough value, which it is what it is.
• 27:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they were going to dump them anyway just to free up that cap space.
• 27:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that seemed like a matter of time.
• 27:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: But, uh,
• 27:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, I got my hopes up.
• 27:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's my bad.
• 27:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's my second.
• 27:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, at least the bears got a second on pick today.
• 27:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I mean, that's literally I did not expect the bears to be able to turn either DJ more or traumatic admins and do a second on pick.
• 28:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, if it's a third and a fourth or a third and a sixth or nothing, I'm fine with the second.
• 28:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'd be shoot.
• 28:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: It works.
• 28:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if I think about it like that, I start to be, you know,
• 28:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: I can accept, just straight up releasing Edmunds because it's a little more palatable for sure.
• 28:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I mean, it's not up, you know, I mean, off-ball linebackers, right?
• 28:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's, you know, not exactly a premium position right now in the league.
• 28:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, that's true.
• 28:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think also to with Edmunds, you're not getting much of a discount because like with DJ Moore, I mean,
• 28:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: with Edmunds the bear they're only hitting they're only eating like two or three million dollars so you're still paying Edmunds fifteen million dollars
• 28:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: if you trade for them saying I guess people thought okay I don't want to pay I don't want to be paying in 15 million dollars even if it's just for this one year.
• 29:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it is what it is.
• 29:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and I'm sure a lot of teams are evaluating this draft and and they I mean the linebacker, especially like non-pass rushing linebackers are there's a lot of them in this draft and some good ones.
• 29:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: So absolutely.
• 29:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Again, not a premium position, not you know.
• 29:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: not going to be drafted high, although there might be some off-ball live-backers the first round this year, which shows you how good the class is.
• 29:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think Jacob Rodriguez is one of them, and I think that's going to be a stud in the NFL.
• 29:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: 100%.
• 29:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 29:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Do you see the bears going at a live-backer in one of those top 90 picks?
• 29:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, I do.
• 29:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think really in that late second round range would be really interesting.
• 29:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Say if they go defensive line at 25, I think they'd have a really good chance to take like you mentioned, Jacob Rodriguez, who I really like, Jake Golday out of Cincinnati would be another really good option.
• 29:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: kind of fit into that Edmunds mold where he's super tall and, you know, moves really well.
• 30:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Similar kind of playing styles.
• 30:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's just you're not paying $18 million for Jake Golday.
• 30:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it becomes a lot more palatable.
• 30:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's significantly less than that.
• 30:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
• 30:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
• 30:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Which, you know, awesome.
• 30:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
• 30:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Anthony Hill Jr. out of Texas, maybe there I feel he's a little bit more of an early second round type of guy.
• 30:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but Golday and Rodriguez, I think, would be really good value.
• 30:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: There shows I a trotter out of Mizzou.
• 30:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it would be a good option.
• 30:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's my only concern with him is a fit for the bears.
• 30:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's a little too much like TJ at words and you know, in coverage.
• 30:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's he's still very much a work in progress and coverage, but he's he is
• 30:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's so pro-ready against the run.
• 30:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like his processing is so quick.
• 30:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's physical, he's a thumber, exactly like you said.
• 30:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's the best way to put it.
• 31:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he's a good enough athlete that I think he could be good in coverage someday.
• 31:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he's still, he's a registered sophomore only.
• 31:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: So he's an early declareee into the draft.
• 31:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: So he's pretty young.
• 31:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's got a lot.
• 31:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's got time on his side.
• 31:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'd be very happy with that still even with even if you have two linebackers where it's like, oh, you know, I don't know about them in coverage, but they're going to stop the hell out of the run game.
• 31:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, a sec around pick.
• 31:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is it a trotter?
• 31:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: I put him in the second round.
• 31:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 31:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think consensus is a little up and down about him, but second rounds where I have them for sure.
• 31:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think the bear's rush defense was so bad last year that Trotter would be perfect.
• 31:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: You just have to be better at safety to make up for the fact that you probably have two linebackers that can't cover.
• 31:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah 100% I mean shoot if you get a draft a draft one of those safety's who can you know play in the box who can hit downhill just sub trotter admin or Edward's out on passing downs like you can work with that you can you know if you bring back CJ Gardner Johnson or you draft a safety with that other second round pick I mean you could you got something you could work with there for sure yeah.
• 32:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, a couple of of tackles that were brought up on the chat.
• 32:17
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• 32:22
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• 32:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, all right.
• 32:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: So,
• 32:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Dante Corleone, Dominique Orange, two guys that were brought up.
• 32:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Dominique Orange is a stud.
• 32:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: I always stayed.
• 32:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: He played in this Rush III drop eight, John Haycock defense and I always stayed.
• 32:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: So he talked about being the middle of a three-man front, you know, the coverage.
• 32:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was a,
• 32:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was a four star crude fry, I was dead at a Kansas City area too, so he's pretty, you can start a blue chip prospect.
• 33:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Dante Corleone is a very good player who actually up until recently had never seen the godfather if you can believe it.
• 33:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Really?
• 33:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the problem is, I shouldn't, you know, this isn't a problem, but it is, I mean, his medical are not going to come back very good because he had something before the last season.
• 33:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: where he, you know, basically now has to take medicine and a day before games in order to play based on his heart.
• 33:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know the specifics about it, but he missed a lot of time and then came, thought he was retiring from the sport and came back.
• 33:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: I bet a lot of teams are going to take them off.
• 33:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: They take him off their their boards.
• 33:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Somebody's going to take a chance on him and he's a, he was a very productive and very good player for Cincinnati.
• 33:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I have a feeling Ryan pulls will take a guy like Dante Coroleo enough of his office board.
• 33:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, and it's unfortunate, too, because I think there's a lot to like with Corley on.
• 33:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's not.
• 33:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, massive individual just a stout defender who could plug up the gaps really well strong good situation awareness against the run.
• 34:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: something to tap into as a past Russia, I think, you know, he's not the, he doesn't have the longest arms.
• 34:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's not the most agile defensive tackle, but he's some, again, him and Dominic Orange, big citrus, they're kind of in the same, you know, they're kind of in the same realm where they're both, you know, like, stout physical, strong, run defenders.
• 34:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think Orange to me is a little
• 34:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think he carries a little bit more upside-down passing downs, you know, like a good tester type of player, but yeah, I think if you can get orange with, if you pass on defensive tackle and round one, orange is a guy that I'd really like late and round two, Coralione, I think, you know, like you said because of the, you know, the medical concerns would probably
• 34:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'll probably drop.
• 34:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if the bears would be willing to take a chance on a guy like that.
• 35:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: I have them like in that round three round four kind of range currently.
• 35:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: There, I mean, with someone with a medical history, you never really know, I mean, players can fall a lot farther than that, but I think they're, especially before this year, I think the flashes you see from Corley on on tape are worth drafting for sure.
• 35:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like I think if he gets his health situation cleared out and it's, you know, it comes back totally okay.
• 35:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a chance he can be a good starter in the league.
• 35:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's just a decent amount of risk attached to it.
• 35:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm pretty sure Coralione was the shortest defensive tackle measure to the combine and the heaviest.
• 35:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're talking about a refrigerator right there.
• 35:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you know, short arms, but yeah, I mean, or just a lot of upside to me, he's like run stuffer that has a lot more upside as a past rupture and again, like he was manning a three-man front that dropped in into coverage.
• 35:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, so like it was all on him to make it all happen on that team.
• 35:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's a lot of it's pretty good.
• 36:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm pretty good offets is what else in the first, I mean, so, you know, heavy defense any, you know, are you looking at a tackle in the first four rounds or first three rounds.
• 36:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, maybe I probably wouldn't in the first round just because.
• 36:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I mean, look, I think if you're taking a tackle, it's probably a stopgap option because I do think, you know, whenever Aussie does come back, maybe it's later in the season, uh, I think that they'll slot him in as the starting left tackle for this offensive line.
• 36:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's why I think, you know, maybe they sign a veteran to compete with Theo Benedict, maybe they bring back Braxton Jones,
• 36:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe, maybe they do draft someone on day two, but I don't think it's going to be much hot.
• 36:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's going to be higher than that.
• 36:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that in this class specifically, there's a pretty discernible gap between the first round prospects and the day two prospects.
• 37:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, to me you're looking at six offensive tackles that I think will go in the first round, maybe seven.
• 37:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, you know, Maui Noah from Miami, uh, uh, phono and low move from Utah, uh, Monroe Freeling from Georgia, Kate and Proctor from Alabama, and then either Blake Miller from Clemson or Maxi and not sure from, uh, Arizona State.
• 37:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 37:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think, you know, that's seven guys.
• 37:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think all seven that seven of them are going to go in the first round, but I think
• 37:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: all seven of them will go in the top 40.
• 37:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then from there, there's a pretty decent drop off where you're looking at, okay, Caleb Tiernan from Northwestern is a solid day to guy, but he's probably more of a third round pick.
• 37:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Then you get into the, you know, project territory.
• 37:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: I say a world from Oregon, you know, very raw, toolsy, lengthy athletic, but technique is, you know, a work in progress.
• 37:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Same can be said, Dmitry is crown over from Texas A&M.
• 37:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Austin Barber from Florida Juke Bowery Boston College again more like late day two early day three type of guys
• 38:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's, there's not a lot of second round value at offense attack on this class.
• 38:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that the guys who could be, I think the guys who show those really good flashes are gonna go early, they're gonna get reached for and then there's gonna be a little bit of a gap between the rest of this class.
• 38:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you see one or two tackles going in the second round and then the rest is just round three from there.
• 38:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: But,
• 38:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think round three is probably the spot.
• 38:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you are going to go with an offensive tackle with those first four picks in the top 100, the third rounds probably going to be your best bet because I think the value is going to be a lot better there unless they unless there's a guy that they're just like way higher on than I am.
• 38:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: uh, then, you know, then all the power to them, but I think that I think probably round three and later is probably the best, like the sweet spot for tackle, just from a peer value standpoint.
• 38:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: And nobody, you know, has a better sense of Aussie's progress than the bears themselves.
• 39:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 39:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: So maybe what they do.
• 39:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: at that position gives us an indication of where they think he's going to be in the timeline of it, you know, and look, I mean, you shouldn't be rushing it back by any stretch, but, you know, modern technologies and that is since you just know, I mean, in rehabs, you just don't know.
• 39:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, maybe that's just an interesting subplot to this draft is the approach, how aggressive they are at tackle considering how big of a need it could be if, you know, if they don't feel good
• 39:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: whatever longer than expected you know what what I mean a year is that is that the expectation I think they said they expect him to miss a decent chunk of the season they did they didn't say he'll be out for all of 2026 but they expected he's going to miss a decent amount of time but polls did say they expect him to make a full recovery and like get back to full strength which is very encouraging
• 40:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, who knows, GMs and coaches say things, maybe all the time and whatever, but if that is the case, if that's truly like they don't have that worry about it, then yeah, I think you're definitely right in that you're going to see like the amount of investment they make at tackle, it's going to show like either the short term at a long term, how they view Aussie's progress and his comeback from injury.
• 40:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I guess let's hope it's not a first round pick and priority.
• 40:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're very bad.
• 40:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's, it's amazing how football, like you can never have everything.
• 40:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, right when you have things figured out at most positions, you just start, you know, more holes start to leak other places.
• 40:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 40:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, and that's where, you know, I mean, going back to the ultimate, you know, strategy and approach the draft best best available is probably the right approach because you just never know what position group was a strength is suddenly weakness.
• 41:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no 100% and, you know, like looking back at last year, Luther Bird and a lot of people were surprised by that pic.
• 41:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: The value is there.
• 41:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: He was, you know, like best player available, truly, I would, to this day, I'm surprised that he was available at 39 overall.
• 41:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: And my thought of the time was, I mean, a lot of people thought of the time was, it's not a big need.
• 41:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not a big need, but the values there.
• 41:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: And low and behold, now Birded looks like he has a potential to be the wider silver one in 2026.
• 41:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: And his drafting him and his, you know, ascending play allows you to dump off DJ more and save 16 to six and a half million dollars.
• 41:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: it's truly the best way to go.
• 41:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know in the in the short term, it's like, oh, well, why didn't why didn't we draft or running back early enough?
• 41:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I mean, it worked out for the bears that they got Kyle Menongai in the seventh round anyway, but also, would you say that?
• 42:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, because looking at it, trading on Henderson and Quenchon Judkins both went off the board by the time the bears picked.
• 42:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Would you rather have Luther Berdin or would you rather go with the best running back available, who was probably Caleb Johnson at the time out of Iowa?
• 42:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, they do any further dealers this year.
• 42:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, and certainly, no, obviously knowing what we know now, but, you know, even at that point, you know, I'm even that.
• 42:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I mean, you're watching Berdin, it wasn't a surprise, you know, maybe have a chance.
• 42:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I mean, this dude was a stud at Missouri.
• 42:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he was.
• 42:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was going to be great.
• 42:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, you're right.
• 42:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was 39 to be available there.
• 42:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's too much value to pass up on that.
• 42:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: And look, I mean, I think you could tell in real time that if they hit, like it'll work on offense, but their defense is going to struggle and that was the story of this year.
• 42:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like the bears despite their successes and what an incredibly successful season it was, were always a draft away on defense.
• 43:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think I got to hit.
• 43:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: But this year, you know, because they overinvested on offense, they put themselves in a position where they have depth, like you said,
• 43:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so now, I mean, now they've got to build the coffers on defense and, you know, I mean, that's, again, where Ryan Pulse has been a great GM, but that's where he's got to, you know, drafting quality, high level defensive starters is a key right now for this team.
• 43:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: 100%.
• 43:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that the bears did what they needed to do last draft and, you know, the last couple of off seasons, they get a
• 43:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, the most important thing, but now, like you said, you're starting to see the defensive holes start to pop up.
• 43:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, all right, now you need a linebacker because, you know, Edmunds didn't live up to his contract.
• 43:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: And now you need a safety because biored and brisker are both hitting for agency.
• 43:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: They exact same time.
• 43:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: You need D line because your past signings didn't work.
• 44:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: So this draft is going to be key for sure and that's why especially happy that they got the second rounder that they did in the DJ more trade it gets a more swings at the plate Yeah, higher and disappointing they couldn't get anything for Edmunds because we thought we'd they you know at that point they'd have more Yeah, yeah, I was psyching myself up.
• 44:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh, maybe they can get a fourth round pick or something for that.
• 44:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it wasn't meant to be but
• 44:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, either way, you're still going to have a decent amount of draft capital to use on defense, now you have a lot more cap space to work with.
• 44:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: I saw someone tweeted it out after they after the bears release, uh,
• 44:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: They have, uh, I think they've cleared like over $40 million in cap space this week, between trading DJ more between releasing tremendous and then, you know, the sudden retirement at Drew Dalman, uh, so there's a ton of flexibility there.
• 44:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, J2K in the YouTube chat says $44 million, so
• 45:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: You have something to work with here, whether it's you know you're pooling all that in on a trade for Max Crosby or you're signing a defensive lineman in free agency using some of that money on you know.
• 45:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Keep in a safety signing a defensive lineman and then adding a lineback or or something like that like you could do a lot with that money and I get the sense they're not done because of how much flexibility they have with restructuring contracts I mean.
• 45:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: you could free up like the the cap is all relative, you know, and I think the bears are showing that right now no exact and that's the ultimate point here is like like money doesn't really matter in the NFL it's kind of a weird thing because you know every year the cap rises to a you know to a certain degree so
• 45:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: because you're still, you know, baking in the new television revenue that is just even more money than the last one, which, you know, so again, so like just the exponential growth every year of the salary cap naturally, and like you said, I mean, the way they with ease opened up this money, they would have opened up anyways, if they even if they didn't get draft compensation.
• 46:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then on top of that, you can still restruct, you can borrow from tomorrow because you know, you know, you know, the money is going to be there tomorrow because ultimately the cap is going up in a very big way every year.
• 46:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: So that's a great point you made about like, yeah, like look at how much money they just they made up and that's every team has that, you know, some teams.
• 46:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: And ownership may, you know, try to make it seem like that, you know, teams don't have money, but ultimately it's very easy to open up money in the NFL.
• 46:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can go from having no salary cap to all of the salary cap very quickly by restructuring deals and kind of guys on, you know, and deals are eating some money, but getting out of most of it.
• 46:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: 100% and, you know, I like to look at just as an example of the last couple of years, Jalen Johnson, like that, he signed $19 million a year pretty, you know, pretty big deal at the time.
• 46:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now he's the 13th highest paid corner after, you know, you're looking at other guys like they're extremely, you know, sauce gardener, JC Horn, uh,
• 47:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think Pat Sertan came after him too, but a lot of these guys reset, you know, essentially resetting the market, both gardener and single are making over 30 million dollars a year, which if that's like, those guys are really good, but what I say that they're both 11 million dollars a year better than Jalen Johnson,
• 47:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: I, I don't think I would.
• 47:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I would.
• 47:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think that's a perfect example.
• 47:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: It just goes to show as the capping, salary, a capping increases year after year after year.
• 47:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's all relative and you know, so much, you know, what can be an overpay now, my end up looking like a, you know, a bargain two years from now.
• 47:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and Sir Tan and Ramsey are at 24 million.
• 47:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
• 47:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so what do we think, Linda?
• 47:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Mom, what is going to be at 20 over 20?
• 47:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think over 20, yeah, because yeah, home free is at 19 or 18.
• 48:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
• 48:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think Leonard bombs going to get 20.
• 48:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 48:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, and corners probably, you know what, I mean, it's on the level of no, with receivers are probably paid more annually than that.
• 48:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: I would, at corners probably in the lower end, I would thank you.
• 48:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: of let's see for the most part yeah like I think defensive tackle is one that's you know slowly but surely rising up there you're seeing like I'm I've pulled it up I'm looking at it now you've got a ton of guys making twenty million dollars a year more and three of them are on the cowboys which is nuts but yeah what's Mike a Parsons getting paid
• 48:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, my good, he's leading all edge rushers with 46 and a half million dollars a year.
• 48:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
• 48:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: You have four edge rushers now, making over $40 million a year.
• 49:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Parsons and Hutchinson are both making 45 miller above.
• 49:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the top three would be quarterback defensive end and left tackle, right tackle, you know, either tackle position.
• 49:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: And which is, again, why you should only draft for those three positions of the first try if you can.
• 49:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, shoot.
• 49:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, if, yeah, I think that,
• 49:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: For the most part, you have to factor in positional value because I mean, and I think I think a technique pass rushing defensive tackle is working its way into the mix, but I think, you know, add Russia left tackle quarterback.
• 49:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then you can argue receiver and corner from there, you know, you're pending, but I think positional value is real.
• 49:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the best teams more often than not are the ones that have the best players at the most important positions.
• 49:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: So even outside of quarterback like, you know, Charles Cross is making a ton of money for the Super Bowl winning Seattle Seahawks right now.
• 50:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Trent Williams is, you know, made it to, I think two super bowls with the 49ers.
• 50:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think he was there for that one with Jimmy Garoppolo.
• 50:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Jordan Milada and Lane Johnson, you know, both left tackle and right tackle with the Eagles.
• 50:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: They won the Super Bowl two years ago.
• 50:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that points to left tackle, but, you know, having, you know, impactful players up the middle at D tackle, having good ad rushers, you know, that's where that's where the Windsor, that's where the Windsor counted.
• 50:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, all right, for the final 10 minutes of the show tonight, let's get to just kind of final take away from last week's combine, you know, obviously we were doing the show live while it was going on the the opening night.
• 50:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: So what we were overall thoughts, give me your your big takeaways from the combine.
• 50:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I come away really excited about this, these linebacker and safety classes, I think that.
• 51:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: I liked a lot of the day two value in this class at those positions, but to see them perform as well as they did, makes me feel really good about the bears specifically where now you have as far as in the linebackers go, you have five guys not including our bell Reese who, you know, if you have them as an adress or off ball linebacker, I have them.
• 51:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: off the ball, but, you know, you can, you're going to move them around.
• 51:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you include our velvents, they're six off ball line backers who ran a four, five, five or faster at the combine.
• 51:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: What are them being Caleb Elems or out of TCU?
• 51:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
• 51:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I actually just had the chance to interview him for Pro Football Network.
• 51:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's say it was yesterday, literally, which, and I was like, you know, coming off of a 447 40 our dash at linebacker, and you've got all these guys who can move so well, like your, you know, Jacob Rodriguez, Jake Golday, you know, who have that speed, who have that mobility.
• 52:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yeah, he's another one of those guys who he came in with the, you know, sub four, five, five.
• 52:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's a great athlete to his own right as well.
• 52:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think I remember seeing Oby Osir, he started over Elam's or last year, because Elam's ordered and started in 24 for TCU did he?
• 52:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he transferred like in the room.
• 52:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, 24 is his first year.
• 52:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think he started in 24, not in 25.
• 52:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so he had the backwards, but no, I mean, yeah, last year was was his first 24 was his first excuse me.
• 52:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: You transferred in.
• 52:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Gotcha.
• 52:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I mean, you got a lot of talent at the linebacker position.
• 52:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it obviously sunny styles too.
• 52:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's not going to be available for the bears, but he's right physical specimen.
• 53:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: But then to see the speed at safety, too.
• 53:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was, I was.
• 53:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: a little surprised by like pleasantly.
• 53:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think you're looking, you know, you see trading stukes from Arizona, whether you have him as a nickel corner, you have him as a safety, you know, some hybrid of the two.
• 53:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: He ran a 433 Dylan Thineman with a 435 looked incredible and positional drills, Jalen Kilgore, South Carolina, Vijay Payne, Kansas State, Bud Clark, TCU.
• 53:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like all guys, like VJ pain and in particular, he's someone that I, who's been climbing up my board, the more I watch him and then after I've seen him, you know, put together a strong combine.
• 53:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, all right, this is a dude where if that, you know, they take him in round three.
• 53:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, in round four, I'd be ecstatic.
• 53:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: But if they take him, late round three, he's a big body, hard hitter who can run really fast.
• 54:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Big 12 is a lot of really good defensive backs this year.
• 54:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like as I'm so okay, so you brought a trade-and-stukes.
• 54:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: I want in on the errors on a they have three guys in the secondary genesis myth trade-and-stukes and Dalton Johnson Johnson who is laser
• 54:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: And he's not, he's like, not that big, but he was a leading tackler last year, and the reason I want in on that Arizona defensive backfield is they took a lot of takeaways.
• 54:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: They were very opportunistic defense.
• 54:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Their secondary was aggressive, just similar how the bears were last year, just taking the football away.
• 54:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I want, you know, who knows what they're going to be doing at corner and what guys are coming back.
• 54:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: I want an opportunistic ball hawking corners.
• 54:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Don't Johnson is that, I mean, trade-and-stokes is that for sure.
• 54:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they're, you know, those guys are flawed.
• 54:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, they're not first or second-round picks, but I like, I like those guys.
• 54:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: I like that, that defense of backfield is very good last year for Arizona.
• 54:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was a very good football team.
• 54:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, absolutely.
• 54:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think I come away like Genesis Smith gets a decent amount of hype, too.
• 55:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that, I kind of get like Grant Delpit sort of vibes from him where I think he can start in the league for a good while where, okay, maybe his, you know, his form is a tachlor needs to improve, but he's just a big, long playmaker in coverage.
• 55:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like he's got good instincts, tracks the ball down well, you know, good athlete.
• 55:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it didn't run at the combine, but you know, I think that there, there's something to like there, and then Stoops obviously is a baller, Dalton Johnson, you know, like you said, I don't think he gets nearly enough credit in this safety class.
• 55:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's someone who can stick around in the league for a long time.
• 55:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I have him as like a, like a fifth rounder right now, but I think there, you know, it, you could very easily sell me on taking him and round four for sure.
• 55:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, since we're talking big 12, uh, the wide receiver from Cincinnati, uh, who had, you know, I was in high school and had one of the highest real athletic scores at the end, a higher R, R, A, as then Kelvin Johnson, Jeff.
• 56:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: that was nuts.
• 56:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like, I've watched him.
• 56:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was impressed with what I saw.
• 56:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I knew he was going to test well.
• 56:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't expecting that.
• 56:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, that was insane.
• 56:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: especially for guy that you know, again, he was not recruited on a high school, like you can't worry, transfer them from, but and he was, I mean, he was productive, but not as productive as you expect, but athletically, someone's going to, somebody's going to take him early.
• 56:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: He might go dearest, hey, we're pay, we'll see.
• 56:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
• 56:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 56:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's shoot.
• 56:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, so I remember, called well, he went to Lindenwood.
• 56:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Lindenwood.
• 56:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yeah, because I lived in St. Louis for a little bit.
• 56:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I know I've got, you know, I've got a soft spot for Lindenwood.
• 56:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, use a beast there.
• 56:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: It went to Cincinnati.
• 56:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe not like a high volume receiver over there, but I mean,
• 56:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're talking about a dude who's six foot five, 216 pounds and can run up four, three, one and jump 42 inches in the air like that is like, yeah, where does he come from like how do you how do you do that?
• 57:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: How was he at Lindenwood?
• 57:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
• 57:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
• 57:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was once I think they're division one.
• 57:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think they're FPS now, but they were NAA.
• 57:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like that was an NEI program for years.
• 57:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they did.
• 57:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: They moved up to FCS.
• 57:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I don't know what conference they're in off the top of my head.
• 57:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I think they are moving up to FBS too.
• 57:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like I, I think really at least they, like I remember hearing that they were going up to Division 1 and they're like conference USA or something.
• 57:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: who knows.
• 57:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: That'd be pretty said.
• 57:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 57:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Go lions.
• 57:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think they're the lions.
• 57:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Something like that.
• 57:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
• 57:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
• 57:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: My first shot on a college was a dream radio and Moverly, Missouri.
• 57:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: And we had did Central Methodist University football, which is in the mid-America Athletic Conference, which is where Lyndon Wood was at the time they were dominant.
• 58:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Baker University outside of Lawrence, Kansas is also in the mid-America Athletic Conference, which is where Mike McCarthy went to college.
• 58:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow.
• 58:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Look at that.
• 58:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Look at that.
• 58:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it ties.
• 58:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy.
• 58:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Baldwin City Kansas.
• 58:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
• 58:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Any other final takeaways from the combine this past week.
• 58:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: We talked about Jeff called a little testing out of the, you know, off the charts.
• 58:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: We talked about Arizona corners and how they tested and corner backs and lineback or the depth of those positions.
• 58:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'll say I'm, I'm glad the bears don't need a quarterback this year.
• 58:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, maybe they'll draft a guy on day three.
• 58:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, if they don't retain case key number, if they trade ties in Beijing, I don't know.
• 58:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they will, but we'll see, but I, I'm just so, I'm just wellmed.
• 58:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not overwhelmed.
• 58:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not underwhelmed.
• 58:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just wellmed with this quarterback class.
• 58:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: And like I don't know, you have your like tail and green out of Arkansas is a freak athlete, obviously, but you know, the accuracy is a concern.
• 59:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Ty Simpson looks solid enough.
• 59:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how much zip, he's going to have as far as the the arm talent upside there.
• 59:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just glad the bears got their quarterback at the time that they did and I wish the quarterback class was a little stronger so it could push other players a little further down the board.
• 59:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: But who knows?
• 59:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, maybe a team's going to fall in love with tail and green on day two, you know, bet on the upside or they'll, you know, take a chance on Garrett Nelson Meyer or Carson back or something and that'll, you know, land some studs in the bears laps and
• 59:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think there's a lot of good strengths in this class and a lot of them just so happen to line up with what the bears need this offseason.
• 59:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: But quarterback is not a need for the bears and coincidentally, it's not a strong class this go around.
• 59:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:00:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: However, the 2027 draft class is going to load it at quarterback.
• 1:00:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's going to be really interesting.
• 1:00:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like you're looking for going to play for the top of the 20 27 draft because it could be it could rival the 24 quarterback class.
• 1:00:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I mean, you're looking at like a good chunk of guys I look at them like they could very depth like they have first round upside.
• 1:00:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's just a matter like who's going to who's going to live up to it.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's going to be the big question, but I mean man, like,
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  [SPEAKER_01]: the the tools he guys like Lenore sellers from South Carolina D.J.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Lagway from I've already transferred to Baylor.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Baylor, yep.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, archmaning obviously, J. and my Ava, USC, Daryon Mensa going to Miami now.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I think like Sam Levitt was a LSU now.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He could he could have a big year and he could be yeah, I think it's the conversation.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Um absolutely.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's there's a ton of guys in that 27 class.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, so yeah, that'll be interesting.
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