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Checkups on Dodgers & Mariners: Katie Woo talks Ohtani & Sasaki status + Brady Farkas on Raleigh’s slow start · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: It's called Refuse Lose Territory. I love the logo. Here
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Speaker 1: is Brady Farcus joining us right now, star of the
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Speaker 1: show and joining the FT Network. Brady, great to have
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Speaker 1: you on here. Congrats on joining the FT Network officially.
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Speaker 1: We've been asked for a while to get ourselves together
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Speaker 1: with the Mariners show, and this is the perfect marriage.
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Speaker 1: So how you doing and why don't you introduce yourself
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Speaker 1: to Ajan Kratz a little bit too on the backstory
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Speaker 1: of the show and what you've been talking about with
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Speaker 1: the Mariners.
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Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate you guys having me, appreciate you having
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Speaker 2: me on the network. I've been a big fan of
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Speaker 2: the network from afar. I'm honored to be a part
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Speaker 2: of it. I've been hosting to Refuse to Lose podcast
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Speaker 2: independently for the last two seasons now, and this was
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Speaker 2: the time to kind of take it to the next level.
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Speaker 2: And I know this network is going to help the
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Speaker 2: show get there. But look, I've been a diehard Mariners
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Speaker 2: fan my entire life. To Refuse to Lose Territory name
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Speaker 2: comes from the nineteen ninety five Mariners that I grew
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Speaker 2: up on that save baseball Seattle to Griffy Edgar A
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Speaker 2: rod Well Young a rod but bewn R Randy Johnson
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Speaker 2: led Mariners. So it's kind of honoring the history of
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Speaker 2: the organization with kind of what has been an exciting
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Speaker 2: last five year build for this team to get where
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Speaker 2: it's gotten to now. And though it's been a disappointing
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Speaker 2: start here through the first forty two games, at twenty
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Speaker 2: and twenty two, it is still a team with a
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Speaker 2: lot of potential and lofty goals and big expectations, and
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Speaker 2: it's a starving fan base that is well aware that
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Speaker 2: is the only fan base that has never even been
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Speaker 2: to a World Series. So there's a lot on the
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Speaker 2: line for the Mariners here in twenty twenty six, and
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Speaker 2: I'm excited to continue to chronicle the journey of this team,
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Speaker 2: how the fans feel about it, and mix it with
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Speaker 2: on site reporting as well as a expert guest analysis.
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Speaker 3: Hey, Brady, is there more pressure on the Mirrors because
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Speaker 3: the Seahawks won have won a couple times recently, Is
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Speaker 3: there more pressure on the Mirrors to finally get to
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Speaker 3: the World Series? Because you can where you're in your background,
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Speaker 3: although there's no fans, you can see the Seahawks Stadium,
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Speaker 3: So everyone that sits at home plate and see what
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Speaker 3: was it called quest field can see that from home play.
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Speaker 3: So is there more pressure now on the Mariners.
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Speaker 2: I think there's pressure on the Mariners every year aj
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Speaker 2: because they have been This is a tortured fan base
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Speaker 2: when it comes to baseball, right, never have been to
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Speaker 2: the World Series, a team that largely was irrelevant for
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Speaker 2: a twenty year period, and then when they weren't irrelevant,
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Speaker 2: it was always Charlie Brown and Lucy with the football. Right,
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Speaker 2: Lucy pulls the football away as Charlie thinks he's finally
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Speaker 2: gonna get a chance to kick it. So the Mariners
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Speaker 2: have been bad, or they've been close, but no Cigar.
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Speaker 2: So much the pressure exists now in the fact that
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Speaker 2: you have a core, you have a core that they've
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Speaker 2: built that is young veterans that are in their prime.
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Speaker 2: You know about the depending labor issues, and you wonder
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Speaker 2: if that's gonna impact kind of shrink the window even further.
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Speaker 2: They've been to the playoffs multiple times now in the
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Speaker 2: last five years. They got to Game seven of the
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Speaker 2: ALCS last year. So I think there's pressure on the
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Speaker 2: Mariners because of that. Solely, but I do think there's
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Speaker 2: pressure in market to kind of keep up with what
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Speaker 2: the Seahawks have done. Right, if you had asked me
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Speaker 2: last October who runs Seattle, I would have said it
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Speaker 2: was the Mariners. That the Mariners re energized the city
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Speaker 2: in a way that they hadn't had since two thousand
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Speaker 2: and one. But then the Seahawks come out and win
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Speaker 2: the Super Bowl three years later or three months later
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Speaker 2: and remind everybody that maybe, in fact, we run the
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Speaker 2: town and we've been the organization that is more successful.
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Speaker 2: So I hope that ownership in the front office takes
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Speaker 2: that pressure as a challenge. That's how you saw the
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Speaker 2: off season. Would they be kind of moved to do
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Speaker 2: things to get the organization over the hump. They didn't
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Speaker 2: do it in terms of financial spending, but they did
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Speaker 2: invest in the on field product, going out to get
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Speaker 2: Brendan Donovan and well it hasn't worked out the way
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Speaker 2: they wanted to. Yet they did spend on Rob Refsneider.
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Speaker 2: So I do think that the organization is aware of
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Speaker 2: the pressure in market and the pressure from the fan base.
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Speaker 2: And I think you're right. I think there is a
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Speaker 2: Seahawks element to that.
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Speaker 3: By the way, if you haven't seen one of these,
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Speaker 3: but this is the This is like the City Connect
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Speaker 3: helmet that they wore, the one we can beat the
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Speaker 3: ram two point conversion, that's right, so I am. And
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Speaker 3: by the way, twelve is one. It's pretty awesome. So
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Speaker 3: I'm secretly a Seahawks fan. I'm not allowed to tell
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Speaker 3: my kids that. Can they make fun of me, But
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Speaker 3: I am secretly a Seahawks fan. So I can't be
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Speaker 3: mad at the Seahawks for winning, but I wish the
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Speaker 3: Mariners at some point could get it done.
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Speaker 2: I was secretly at game one of the five World
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Speaker 2: Series that you played in because my my dad is
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Speaker 2: a diehard White Sox fan, so it is one of
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Speaker 2: my best baseball memories, certainly my best non Mariners memory.
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Speaker 2: But I was there in the ballpark when you guys
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Speaker 2: beat Houston. So you give me a secret Seahawks fan,
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Speaker 2: and I was secretly.
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Speaker 3: There also, you end the pope.
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Speaker 2: That's right, we were both there. I was in the
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Speaker 2: upper deck. You probably have better seats.
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Speaker 3: That's fair. But I mean, next, we have like thirty
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Speaker 3: shows on this network, so whatever show comes on whatever city,
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Speaker 3: that's what AJ's. Well, I'm secretly this team's fan, and
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Speaker 3: I'm secret I have lots of Seahawks I have lot
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Speaker 3: I mean lots of Seahawks stuff. Choose one. Just because
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Speaker 3: you get free gear from them doesn't mean that you're
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Speaker 3: a Seattle Seahawks fan. That's my kids. My kids kill
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Speaker 3: me about it all the time because I root for
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Speaker 3: the Bears openly, because I do like the Bears with
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Speaker 3: my kids. But my kids kill me because there was
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Speaker 3: a chance the Bears could have played the Seahawks in
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Speaker 3: the playoffs, and they were like, Dad, who are you
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Speaker 3: going to root for?
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Speaker 1: Who are you going to root for?
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Speaker 3: I don't I didn't have to answer the question. I said,
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Speaker 3: I haven't decided. I would have rooted for the Bears, obviously,
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Speaker 3: just because then I had to deal with my son.
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Speaker 3: If they had Bears make the Super Bowl, we go.
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Speaker 3: If they ever make the Super Bowl, which who knows.
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Speaker 3: They're like the Mariners in the World Series. They never
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Speaker 3: can make it, so I don't know. But once the
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Speaker 3: Bears lost, obviously, my allegiance went to the Seahawks.
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Speaker 1: It's nice to have two teams to root for, Brady,
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Speaker 1: It's good to have a backup.
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Speaker 2: Playing always good like the al and the NL team
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Speaker 2: people out. Although ag has got two NFC teams when
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Speaker 3: Something that needs to be locked in is you're following
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Speaker 3: the Mariners. You mentioned all the moves that they made,
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Speaker 3: the massive you know, Rob Refsneider signing and the fact
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Speaker 3: that they traded for Brandon Donovan and they signed that
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Speaker 3: Josh Naylor back. Did they do enough to get past
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Speaker 3: where they were last year? In the postseason? Base on
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Speaker 3: the team they have now, not how they've done. I
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Speaker 3: think they're twenty and twenty two, second place behind the
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Speaker 3: AA seems seems not insurmountable. But did they do enough?
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Speaker 3: Is this team improved from last year barring injuries? We
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Speaker 3: have to always say that, but to be able to
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Speaker 3: push it forward knowing that cal Rally is not going
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Speaker 3: to hit sixty home runs because that's just a historic,
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Speaker 3: one once in a lifetime season.
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Speaker 2: I think they did enough to be a very good
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Speaker 2: team that could win the AL West, and therefore they
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Speaker 2: did enough to compete to go deep in the playoffs.
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Speaker 2: That said, I think that to your point, it was
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Speaker 2: never likely that cal Raley was gonna hit sixty home
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Speaker 2: runs again. Then you lose Auenio Suarez his home runs,
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Speaker 2: then you lose Joorge Polanco's home runs.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you're.
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Speaker 2: Talking about probably somewhere in the neighborhood of forty to
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Speaker 2: sixty home runs less right off the bat from a
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Speaker 2: year ago. And so I think this was a team
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Speaker 2: that last year became very power dependent, that lost a
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Speaker 2: lot of power in the offseason. And if you're going
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Speaker 2: to play that way, if you're going to change the
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Speaker 2: profile a bit, well, you're still gonna need cal Raley
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Speaker 2: and Julio Rodriguez to provide the power in addition to
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Speaker 2: a full season of Naylor. But you're also going to
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Speaker 2: need the Cole Youngs of the world to step up
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Speaker 2: like he has to his credit. But you needed Victor
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Speaker 2: Roblest to stay healthy and be productive. So far, he's
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Speaker 2: been injured for much of the season. That has been
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Speaker 2: a problem. You needed Luke Rayley to be consistent. He's
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Speaker 2: been powerful, but he hasn't been truly consistent, yet dom
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Speaker 2: can zone the same. So if you were going to
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Speaker 2: lose those home runs, you needed other guys to step
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Speaker 2: up and fill those voids, which to their credits, some
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Speaker 2: of them have, some of them have not, And you
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Speaker 2: needed a lot of the other things to go right
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Speaker 2: for you that went right a year ago. And so
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Speaker 2: far the Mariners have been more injured than they were
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Speaker 2: a year ago. That has been a problem, and there
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Speaker 2: has been obviously regression from cal Raley so far through
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Speaker 2: forty two games.
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Speaker 3: Who's the most underrated player on this team? Underappreciated in
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Speaker 3: the city of Seattle, not in not in the national
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Speaker 3: baseball scene because it's tougher West Coast teams to play
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Speaker 3: their games late. Everybody knows cal But who's the most
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Speaker 3: underappreciated in the city that you feel like, if they
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Speaker 3: have the season that they need to have, they need
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Speaker 3: to like take their play to the next level.
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Speaker 2: And I it's hard to call him underrated because he
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Speaker 2: was an All Star a year ago, but I think
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Speaker 2: Brendan orbrian Wu rather does not get still the proper
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Speaker 2: credit that he deserves. I think people look at him
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Speaker 2: national and say, you know, they don't necessarily think of
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Speaker 2: him as an ace. He did get knocked around two
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Speaker 2: starts in a row before rebounding the other day and
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Speaker 2: pitching excellently. But I mean, Brian wu if this team
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Speaker 2: is gonna be really really good, they're gonna need Brian
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Speaker 2: Wu again to be really really good. Logan Gilbert is
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Speaker 2: the longest ten yared homegrown member of the rotation, so
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Speaker 2: I think he has the clout that comes with that.
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Speaker 2: Luis Castillo has the bigger long term resume and the
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Speaker 2: bigger paycheck, so I think he has kind of a
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Speaker 2: clout that comes with that. And Brian wu I think,
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Speaker 2: continues to fly under the radar and it's amazing what
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Speaker 2: he's able to do, largely with you know, a fastball
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Speaker 2: and variations of his fastball. He's been fastball dominant for
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Speaker 2: his entire career. He started to implement some of the
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Speaker 2: off speed stuff more. But I think Brian wu Is
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Speaker 2: is really kind of the leader of this rotation right now,
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Speaker 2: at least from a performance standpoint. They're gonna need him
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Speaker 2: to continue to be the ace of their staff, even
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Speaker 2: if he doesn't get the ace recognition I think nationally
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Speaker 2: or even local, given Gilbert's reputation in history.
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Speaker 3: All right, Hojlio's twenty five years old. Does Julio win
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Speaker 3: an MVP in the next three years, because I think
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Speaker 3: in the last three years everybody said, well, this is
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Speaker 3: the year Julio has MVP type of stuff, MVP type
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Speaker 3: of numbers that he can put up. He had like
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Speaker 3: a seven something war last year, but he starts out slow.
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Speaker 3: Does he win the MVP in the next three years
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Speaker 3: and lead this team to the World Series.
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Speaker 2: I think he absolutely can and will win an MVP.
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Speaker 2: He's not to the best start of his career. I mean,
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Speaker 2: he's got the best WRC plus the best OPS that
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Speaker 2: he's had through May eleventh at any point of his career.
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Speaker 2: He is striking out less. He is hitting the ball
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Speaker 2: in the air more, which has been in an early
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Speaker 2: season problem for him, too many ground balls. So yes,
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Speaker 2: I think he can win the MVP. As far as
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Speaker 2: winning the World Series, I think that this year has
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Speaker 2: to be the year. I'm not saying they couldn't do
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Speaker 2: it subsequently, but when you look at the pitchers and
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Speaker 2: the aging that they're going to go through over the
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Speaker 2: next few years, you look at the contract issues that
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Speaker 2: they're going to go through in the next few years.
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Speaker 2: I mean, there's going to be a turnover on this staff,
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Speaker 2: and the staff they've built around the last several years
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Speaker 2: is not going to be there or is going to
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Speaker 2: age into a point where you are then concerned about
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Speaker 2: regression and injury. So I think there's a lot of
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Speaker 2: pressure on this year as a result of labor issues
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Speaker 2: and those impending contract issues. So are they going to
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Speaker 2: win it? I'm not going to be naive enough to
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Speaker 2: predict that they're going to win the World Series this
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Speaker 2: year from twenty to twenty two, but they are all
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Speaker 2: in on this year, and I think there's real pressure
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Speaker 2: to make this year the.
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Speaker 3: Year Brady got. We got two things I want to
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Speaker 3: hit on it, and it well. First one pains me
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Speaker 3: a lot. Cal Rawley, what is the O for thirty
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Speaker 3: six in May? Yes, which is unbelievable. And then Luis
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Speaker 3: Castillo La Piedro, the rock has been getting rocked. What's
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Speaker 3: tapping in with these two? And these guys are considered
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Speaker 3: like cornerstones and the Marriners.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I still think Cal is a cornerstone, and
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Speaker 2: I do think he's going to be okay. I don't
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Speaker 2: want to excuse make for him, but I think it's
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Speaker 2: pretty clear to see first ten games of the season
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Speaker 2: he hit one forty or something like that. I think
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Speaker 2: you can correlate that to the World Baseball Classic, right,
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Speaker 2: He's not. He's a creature of habit. He likes to
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Speaker 2: play every day. He hits from both sides of the plate.
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Speaker 2: He played four of seven games in the WBC. I
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Speaker 2: don't believe he took an that bat right handed in
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Speaker 2: the WBC, so certainly he started very slow. I think
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Speaker 2: as a result of that, as we saw several players around.
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Speaker 3: The league do.
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Speaker 2: Next twenty games, he hit two forty one with seven
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Speaker 2: home runs in thirteen RBIs So the good cal Raley
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Speaker 2: is in there, and the good cal Raley has been
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Speaker 2: there this season. Now you can factor in over his
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Speaker 2: last thirty six very clearly the right side discomfort that
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Speaker 2: kept him out of the lineup for three games and
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Speaker 2: then kind of relegated him to the DH spot for
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Speaker 2: another two. I think that played.
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Speaker 3: You know, played with.
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Speaker 2: His mechanics and his timing as well. His timing is off,
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Speaker 2: therefore his pitch recognition is off. He has swung at
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Speaker 2: far too many fastballs above the zone and far too
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Speaker 2: many changeups and breaking balls. Below the zone. He has
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Speaker 2: gotten himself out far too often. He's seemingly behind in
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Speaker 2: the count O two or one two every at bat.
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Speaker 2: I do think as he plays more and gets back
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Speaker 2: into that rhythm like he had in that twenty game
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Speaker 2: sample size that I reference, I do think that he
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Speaker 2: will be okay. Is he gonna hit two forty five
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Speaker 2: like he did a year ago. I don't know. Maybe
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Speaker 2: he'll hit two twenty four, But if he hits thirty
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Speaker 2: six home runs and brings in one hundred, this team
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Speaker 2: will be just fine with what he's given them. As
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Speaker 2: for Castillo, he is just he's giving up home runs
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Speaker 2: at an alarming rate. He's getting really hit hard the
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Speaker 2: second second time through the order. Specifically, Look, the fastball
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Speaker 2: has been good. It's not a velocity thing, right. This
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Speaker 2: is not just oh, he's getting older. He throws three
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Speaker 2: miles an hour less than he used to. The fastball
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Speaker 2: velocity he's been ninety six ninety seven, so the velocity
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Speaker 2: is still there. They're trying clearly to finagle his way
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Speaker 2: through outings. We've seen more right on right changeups. We've
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Speaker 2: seen more early count sliders, We've seen more fastballs at
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Speaker 2: the top of his own. They are trying as a
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Speaker 2: catching staff to get him through these outings, and so
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Speaker 2: far they just haven't found something consistent that works. I
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Speaker 2: look at Luis Castillo kind of like I look at
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Speaker 2: Walker Bueller, who the Mariners faced a couple of weeks
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Speaker 2: ago in San Diego, a guy who is a one
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Speaker 2: time ace who clearly has gone through some stuff and
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Speaker 2: is no longer the pitcher that he was. Walker Bueller
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Speaker 2: now has like eight pitches on his resume. I think
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Speaker 2: Luis Castillo needs to start tinkering with some things and
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Speaker 2: add more stuff to his arsenal because the fastball, change
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Speaker 2: up slider only that he has lived on and thrived
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Speaker 2: on it just doesn't seem to be enough anymore. And
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Speaker 2: the Mariners have taken this step now with Bryce Miller
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Speaker 2: coming back tomorrow, that they're going to go to the
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Speaker 2: six man rotation one time through then they're going to
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Speaker 2: go to a piggyback between Castillo and and Miller. There
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Speaker 2: are difficult conversations to be had at a few different
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Speaker 2: spots on this roster, and Luis Castillo is at the
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Speaker 2: center of one of them.
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Speaker 3: For sure.
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Speaker 1: Great analysis, and now we have a show to follow it.
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Speaker 1: I mean it's been there, but for our group that
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Speaker 1: great stuff. Man, really really enjoy listening to you anyway,
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Speaker 1: but now that you're part of the Ft family, tweeted
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Speaker 1: this even better. So congrats again and welcome dude. Great
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Speaker 1: to talk to you. We'll talk soon, okay.
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, all of you appreciate you.
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Speaker 1: Hey, let's talk Rodgers. There's a lot of happenings. Katie
18:03
Speaker 1: Wu is back. Yeah, she's back. There's too many things happening.
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Speaker 1: We had we had to hit the batphone, the blue
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Speaker 1: phone and talk to one of the stars of Dodgers Territory.
18:12
Speaker 1: We'll see what kind of questions AJ has. But Katie,
18:14
Speaker 1: it is always pleasure to catch up with you. And also,
18:16
Speaker 1: Katie ripping up some really good articles in The Athletic
18:19
Speaker 1: too for everyone to check out. I have to start here.
18:23
Speaker 1: What's up with sho heo Tani? Katie? We haven't seen
18:26
Speaker 1: this kind of bat production from him in years?
18:30
Speaker 3: Is he fault?
18:31
Speaker 1: Little? Yeah, Katie's fault? Is he showing that like St.
18:34
Speaker 3: Louis like a good little bit human?
18:37
Speaker 1: Right now?
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Speaker 3: She goes, are gonna have a can't hit?
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Speaker 5: Are we gonna have one of these shows? Aj? I'm
18:43
Speaker 5: more than happy to bring it on.
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Speaker 3: Why am I getting yelled at because you're there?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Exactly.
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Speaker 5: Let's talk about some show tony guys, because at this
18:54
Speaker 5: point it is a problem, and I'm gonna sit here
18:57
Speaker 5: in preface with no one is actually concerned about the
19:00
Speaker 5: long term longevity and production of show Heotani, But right
19:03
Speaker 5: now it has not been good. Dodgers overall not been good,
19:07
Speaker 5: especially their offense that starts at the top with their
19:10
Speaker 5: leadoff hitter going into play. Monday, the Dodgers kicked off
19:14
Speaker 5: a four game set against the Giants at Dodger Stadium.
19:17
Speaker 5: Here's Shootani's line over the last twenty five games. He's
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Speaker 5: hitting two twelve, three point thirty seven on base percentage,
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Speaker 5: a three eighteen slug just one homer, and that was
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Speaker 5: before he went over five with two punchouts against the Giants.
19:30
Speaker 5: So yeah, it has not been good. And there's a
19:31
Speaker 5: lot that goes into this with Otani, whether it's the
19:33
Speaker 5: slump to start the season that's carried over. We know
19:36
Speaker 5: he's balancing two way responsibilities for the first time since
19:39
Speaker 5: signing that mega contract with the Dodgers. The Dodgers have
19:42
Speaker 5: tried to work in some rest days for him, because
19:45
Speaker 5: let's be honest, it is very taxing doing two way things.
19:48
Speaker 5: But when you look at these numbers, this just is
19:50
Speaker 5: not who Shoeotani is as a pitcher or as a hitter,
19:53
Speaker 5: excuse me. And we kind of saw for yesterday he
19:56
Speaker 5: came out. We know Otani doesn't really like to take
19:58
Speaker 5: batting practice on the field, but he he did so
20:00
Speaker 5: for the third time already this for the Dodgers, and
20:03
Speaker 5: it didn't even look good then. So clearly this is
20:05
Speaker 5: a guy who does not feel comfortable at the plate
20:08
Speaker 5: right now. The numbers reflect that. We talked to manager
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Speaker 5: Dave Roberts after the game on Monday and he said,
20:13
Speaker 5: to paraphrase, it just looks like Otani is trying to
20:17
Speaker 5: swing out of it. Guys. Usually when players do that,
20:19
Speaker 5: it sets them back. So Dodgers need him to produce.
20:23
Speaker 5: But Otani, I think needs to take a step back
20:25
Speaker 5: and try to find some sort of production that will
20:27
Speaker 5: allow him to find better numbers at the top of
20:29
Speaker 5: the order, because right now it's just not working.
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Speaker 3: We heard a little snippets from Dave Roberts, but you're
20:35
Speaker 3: there daily is there? Did he expand on any of
20:39
Speaker 3: the what he's talking about? Show hay the one day
20:41
Speaker 3: he said, I just didn't like the body language, or
20:44
Speaker 3: I didn't like the swings. They didn't look good. Has
20:47
Speaker 3: he said like show Hayes saying his legs are tired
20:50
Speaker 3: or it looks like his legs are tired. Is there
20:52
Speaker 3: anything that gives you a idea of what Dave Roberts
20:57
Speaker 3: is seeing.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a good question, and Dave Roberts hasn't really
21:01
Speaker 5: expanded on any fatigue. Otani, when we're able to talk
21:03
Speaker 5: to him, also has said the same to me, it
21:06
Speaker 5: just looks like a guy who is trying to swing
21:08
Speaker 5: out of it. And in the beginning in April, although
21:10
Speaker 5: the production wasn't really backed up from the slucking percentage standpoint,
21:13
Speaker 5: he was reaching base, he was drawing a lot of walks,
21:16
Speaker 5: He had some productive outs, So you can, when you're
21:18
Speaker 5: a hitter, kind of take some silver lining in that.
21:20
Speaker 5: But as Dave Roberts pointed out yesterday, Otani has stopped
21:23
Speaker 5: doing that. He hasn't been walking the walk rates down.
21:25
Speaker 5: He's pulling a lot of balls, weak ground balls to
21:28
Speaker 5: the pull side. Just the quality of a bats are
21:31
Speaker 5: indicative of someone who just does not feel right in
21:33
Speaker 5: the box. And he's gonna have a day off from hitting,
21:36
Speaker 5: either Wednesday or Thursday. Dave Roberts said, Otani will start
21:39
Speaker 5: Wednesday against the Giants on the mound, but just try
21:42
Speaker 5: to incorporate some rest days and really get Otani right,
21:45
Speaker 5: because as we've seen throughout the Dodgers collectively one through nine,
21:48
Speaker 5: that entire top of the order is really scuffling, and
21:51
Speaker 5: that starts with him. The good news is for the
21:52
Speaker 5: Dodgers is that it's not fatigue. It doesn't seem to
21:55
Speaker 5: be fatigue at least, it's just more of a mechanics
21:57
Speaker 5: not feeling right, probably an adjustment to going back to
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Speaker 5: two way duties. But it certainly doesn't make it any easier.
22:02
Speaker 5: Otani is the catalyst at the top of this lineup.
22:05
Speaker 5: They could really use him, especially with guys like Kyle
22:08
Speaker 5: Tucker not really hitting in the way that they thought
22:10
Speaker 5: Ferdy Freeman starting to come out of it a little bit.
22:12
Speaker 5: They've been without Mookie Betts for a month. He just
22:14
Speaker 5: now came back. That whole top of the order is
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Speaker 5: being paid hundreds of millions of dollars to produce, starting
22:19
Speaker 5: with Otani, and that just has not been the case
22:21
Speaker 5: over the last three weeks.
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Speaker 3: Offensively, thank god for Andy pae His and Dalton Rushing.
22:27
Speaker 5: And Max Munsey, three guys carrying that to.
22:30
Speaker 3: Get robbed kid rob the other day and then he
22:33
Speaker 3: like was like, oh and the guy jumped.
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Speaker 1: Into the fence, Yeah, who is that in?
22:38
Speaker 3: Eli White elimost lost his face.
22:44
Speaker 1: That's true, you got a concussion, yeah, eleven Homers.
22:47
Speaker 3: Though for Max, Max is doing it's them goggles got
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Speaker 3: him right from them rexpects he's got got him right. Katie, Uh,
22:55
Speaker 3: what about another guy? I don't read your article, so
22:57
Speaker 3: I don't know what you wrote, but you wrote I
22:59
Speaker 3: did read one year article. We'll get into that later.
23:01
Speaker 3: But Roki Sazaki, the Dodgers are focusing not on his
23:06
Speaker 3: president but on his future. But the Dodgers are probably
23:09
Speaker 3: the only team that could do this. What's going on
23:10
Speaker 3: with Roki? He's looked better, right, he has looked a
23:13
Speaker 3: little bit better.
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Speaker 5: Yes, thank you for humbling me aj I appreciate that.
23:18
Speaker 5: It's one of your most consistent traits. If you've read
23:21
Speaker 5: the article, though, you would know what the Dodgers are
23:24
Speaker 5: looking at with Roki Sasaki in his long term development.
23:26
Speaker 5: They've preached this patience every fan's favorite word, and continued
23:30
Speaker 5: progress with Rochi and there has been no plan to
23:33
Speaker 5: move him from the starting rotation, although over the last
23:36
Speaker 5: three starts they have been incrementally better and we've been
23:38
Speaker 5: starting to see tangible evidence of Roki trying to come
23:41
Speaker 5: into form. So what exactly are the Dodgers looking for?
23:44
Speaker 5: I talk to President at Baseball Operations Andrew Friedman about
23:47
Speaker 5: the importance of making sure Roki is adjusting to the
23:50
Speaker 5: quality and caliber of major league hitters. They don't believe
23:53
Speaker 5: that he can learn anything about his arsenal and his
23:55
Speaker 5: pitchmicks in triple A because, frankly put it, there's such
23:59
Speaker 5: a wide gap talent from TRIPA to the majors. Now
24:01
Speaker 5: that gap in talent is bigger than ever, and if
24:04
Speaker 5: Roki Sasaki is going to figure out what it takes
24:06
Speaker 5: to succeed at the big league level, he has to
24:08
Speaker 5: figure out what works and what doesn't here in the majors,
24:11
Speaker 5: even if it comes at the cost of maybe not
24:13
Speaker 5: putting the best, most effective six starters in your rotation.
24:17
Speaker 5: When Tyler glassnow comes back from the IL, Now, what
24:21
Speaker 5: are the Dodgers looking at for Roki in terms of change, Well,
24:24
Speaker 5: what made him so successful in Japan was the fastball
24:27
Speaker 5: forkball combo. Now that fastball sat one hundred and that
24:30
Speaker 5: forkball was it was not even close to the kind
24:34
Speaker 5: of forurthball that we're seeing from him now. Those pitches
24:36
Speaker 5: don't play as effectively in the majors, and to combat that,
24:40
Speaker 5: there's a couple of things. Is the adjustment to the
24:42
Speaker 5: major leagues. It also could be the adjustment to the ball.
24:44
Speaker 5: The ball is smaller, easier to grip, easier, command, easier
24:47
Speaker 5: to spot in Japan, which makes dotting the fastball and
24:50
Speaker 5: the fourth ball much easier. In theory, Roki Sasaki has
24:53
Speaker 5: not been able to show that both the fastball and
24:55
Speaker 5: the forkball can play in the majors as they did
24:57
Speaker 5: in Japan. That fastball is now sitting ninety seven, and
25:00
Speaker 5: we know that he's had to incorporate two variations of
25:02
Speaker 5: the forkball, the new one being more of a traditional splitter.
25:06
Speaker 5: He's also added in a slider in an attempt to
25:09
Speaker 5: kind of mix up his arsenal, because if he can't
25:11
Speaker 5: use the fastball forkball speed combinations to keep opposing hitters off,
25:15
Speaker 5: he needs to be able to kind of throw essentially
25:18
Speaker 5: the kitchen sink at hitters and vary speeds that way,
25:20
Speaker 5: So adding an arsenals aja. You both know this as
25:23
Speaker 5: catchers like it's difficult to find out the best pitch
25:26
Speaker 5: mix without a little bit of trial and error, and
25:28
Speaker 5: as Roby continues to add pitches into his arsenal throughout
25:31
Speaker 5: the early part of the season, figuring out when to
25:33
Speaker 5: use them and where to use them to different hitters
25:35
Speaker 5: is part of the learning process. So it's all a
25:38
Speaker 5: matter to say that there are several factors going into
25:40
Speaker 5: Susaki's development. The Dodgers are okay having him develop at
25:44
Speaker 5: the major league level for now because they believe the
25:47
Speaker 5: long term payoff is going to be worth the short
25:49
Speaker 5: term struggle that we're seeing, although in fairness of Susaki,
25:52
Speaker 5: it has been much better over his last three starts.
25:55
Speaker 3: They also face the Giants who stink at hitting, So
25:58
Speaker 3: there's that. But but that helps he's rehabbing against the giants.
26:03
Speaker 3: I get that. But didn't we hear this story in
26:07
Speaker 3: spring training? Hey, he's got to add that cutter slider thing.
26:10
Speaker 3: Had they completely disbanded that, because now all of a sudden,
26:13
Speaker 3: you know, he changed his fork ball which he was holding.
26:16
Speaker 3: More like this to more of an orientation of a splitter,
26:21
Speaker 3: is this, are they throwing stuff up against the wall
26:24
Speaker 3: because they have the they have the ability to have
26:27
Speaker 3: an extra picture. They have the ability to say, you
26:29
Speaker 3: know what, we're gonna win a lot of games. And
26:32
Speaker 3: you said that they don't want him to go to
26:35
Speaker 3: Triple A to work things out. At some point, people
26:38
Speaker 3: are going to be healthy at some point. He's clearly
26:41
Speaker 3: the worst starter in their rotation. Is the move then
26:45
Speaker 3: back to the bullpen where he had success in the postseason,
26:49
Speaker 3: But he also kind of hamstrung them a little bit,
26:51
Speaker 3: and they got they got. They got relieved by starting
26:55
Speaker 3: pitchers who stepped in because he couldn't throw on back
26:58
Speaker 3: to back nights like other relievers could.
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Speaker 5: It's not right now, and the reason for that is
27:03
Speaker 5: because the injury ramp up. If you are all of
27:06
Speaker 5: a sudden built out to start and you go back
27:08
Speaker 5: to the bullpen, the injury risk it's exponentially higher if
27:11
Speaker 5: they need him to bulk back up. Starting pitching is
27:13
Speaker 5: the number one thing in demand for teams across the league.
27:17
Speaker 5: It's why the Dodgers are one of the reasons why
27:19
Speaker 5: the Dodgers are so good, because it seems like they
27:21
Speaker 5: have an abundance of starting pitching in their minor league system.
27:24
Speaker 5: You look at some guys like she and Justin Robleski
27:26
Speaker 5: fighting for their spot on the rotation. Will they be
27:28
Speaker 5: most teams number three starters if that but for Rokie. Again,
27:33
Speaker 5: the Dodgers could change their mind when we get closer
27:35
Speaker 5: to the postseason, because as we saw, you really only
27:37
Speaker 5: need four starters tops in those postseasons, three in the
27:40
Speaker 5: early rounds, and that's where Sasaki could really shine and
27:43
Speaker 5: help them come September. But this is may guys, and
27:45
Speaker 5: the Dodgers believe that this is the best course of
27:48
Speaker 5: action again for the long term of Sasaki's career. Finding
27:53
Speaker 5: and developing starting pitching continues to be one of the
27:55
Speaker 5: hardest things you can do in the game. So the
27:57
Speaker 5: Dodgers aren't simply going to punt on who they believe
28:00
Speaker 5: could be a superstar on the rotation, even if Sasaki
28:02
Speaker 5: isn't showing that right now. And it's a difficult thing
28:05
Speaker 5: for fans specifically to understand because Dodgers fans have been
28:08
Speaker 5: conditioned to expect a third straight World Series title. The
28:11
Speaker 5: Los Angeles Dodgers are not a team that goes out
28:14
Speaker 5: and says, hey, we're gonna maybe not put our best
28:16
Speaker 5: starter on the mound tonight because we want to win
28:18
Speaker 5: games in the future. That's not what the Dodgers do.
28:21
Speaker 5: But it's a special case here because of who Susaki
28:24
Speaker 5: could be in this high ceiling. I mean, he had
28:26
Speaker 5: one of the highest pedigrees coming over from Japan, So
28:29
Speaker 5: special case, special circumstances. I think what the Dodgers are
28:32
Speaker 5: asking their fans to do is to it's difficult because
28:35
Speaker 5: it goes against almost everything else that they have been
28:37
Speaker 5: preaching for the last several years, but to give Sasaki
28:40
Speaker 5: a little bit of patience because the last thing Andrew
28:42
Speaker 5: Friedman wants is for this dynastic run to end, and
28:45
Speaker 5: in order for large market teams to continue to find
28:48
Speaker 5: success like the Dodgers have been, you have to be
28:50
Speaker 5: able to supplement your core with your spending and going
28:53
Speaker 5: out there and being able to build up and grow.
28:55
Speaker 5: Sasaki as a starter is going to help them in
28:58
Speaker 5: the long run. So again it comes down to sh
29:00
Speaker 5: short term sacrifices. They're not going to send them to
29:02
Speaker 5: the bullpen. They're not going to send him to Triple A.
29:04
Speaker 5: They don't think that they can find anything there for
29:06
Speaker 5: him to grow and develop on. Maybe come September, we're
29:09
Speaker 5: talking about Sasaki as a reliever because that's where he's
29:11
Speaker 5: best suited. But right now, the Dodgers are playing the
29:13
Speaker 5: long game. We talk about load management that doesn't just
29:16
Speaker 5: refer to injuries. They certainly are looking at the big
29:19
Speaker 5: picture for Susaki, even if it makes the short term
29:21
Speaker 5: understanding a little bit frustrating.
29:23
Speaker 3: So Katie, who says the Dodgers are in a rebuild,
29:26
Speaker 3: appreciate that. Katie, thank you for clarifying that that is.
29:30
Speaker 3: That's a nice But the one conspiracy theory that gets
29:34
Speaker 3: bantered about here in foul Territory is do you think
29:38
Speaker 3: also some of the decision is, you know what, we
29:40
Speaker 3: also want to make our organization look like an organization
29:43
Speaker 3: that continues to develop or bring over the best Japanese talent.
29:50
Speaker 3: Is there any whisperings of that in the clubhouse or
29:53
Speaker 3: whisperings of that in the front office where it's like, Hey,
29:56
Speaker 3: a Japanese star comes over. We want to make sure
29:59
Speaker 3: we treat that the way that we want. Hey, everybody
30:03
Speaker 3: else continue to come to the Dodgers' organization.
30:07
Speaker 5: You know, I can understand that sentiment, I really can,
30:09
Speaker 5: and I think there's maybe some some validity behind it.
30:12
Speaker 5: But I think what's more, if we're going to go
30:14
Speaker 5: into like the makeup of players, is the Dodgers have
30:17
Speaker 5: worked really hard to earn the trust of Roki Sasaki,
30:21
Speaker 5: and it's been a two way street. Last year he
30:23
Speaker 5: came over and he spent most of twenty twenty five
30:26
Speaker 5: on the injured list, and the Dodgers didn't really get
30:28
Speaker 5: a chance to communicate with Roki, and we saw that.
30:31
Speaker 5: It's not I wouldn't blame the organization. I wouldn't really
30:34
Speaker 5: blame the player. It's just two sides coming over from
30:36
Speaker 5: two completely different worlds. And trying to figure out the
30:39
Speaker 5: communication tactic. They have worked extensively to get Roki to
30:42
Speaker 5: trust them. It was Roki who approached pitching coach Mark
30:45
Speaker 5: Pryor and said, I want to change my forkball grip
30:47
Speaker 5: to a more traditional split a grip, and Mark Pryor said,
30:50
Speaker 5: that's great, let's work on it together. If you send
30:53
Speaker 5: a message to Roki and send him down to Triple A,
30:56
Speaker 5: does that I'm not saying it does, I'm speculating, are
30:59
Speaker 5: questioning he does that impact his trust in the organization.
31:02
Speaker 5: To be clear, I believe the Dodgers when they say
31:05
Speaker 5: that the best thing for Sasaki's development long term is
31:08
Speaker 5: at the big league level. Everything they have said makes
31:10
Speaker 5: sense from a logistics standspoint and the stats standpoint, But
31:13
Speaker 5: there is also something to be said about the makeup
31:15
Speaker 5: of a player. Can Sasaki handle a demotion? That's something
31:19
Speaker 5: worth questioning because we all know how much effort it
31:22
Speaker 5: took for the two sides to start talking and trusting
31:24
Speaker 5: each other. Roki's in a much better place now. He's
31:27
Speaker 5: worked hard to get there, so have the Dodgers. You
31:30
Speaker 5: risk burning that relationship or taking a step back if
31:33
Speaker 5: you demote him without without giving him every possible chance
31:36
Speaker 5: to succeed at the major league level. And I think
31:38
Speaker 5: that's part of the reason why the Dodgers are committed
31:40
Speaker 5: to doing so.
31:42
Speaker 3: They demoted him last year. He came back just fine. Katie,
31:44
Speaker 3: just saying you're on the Cardinals beat. They demoted them
31:49
Speaker 3: last year.
31:50
Speaker 6: Is a.
31:51
Speaker 3: He was hurt. He was he was hurt. He was hurt.
31:58
Speaker 3: Hurt for snow. It just happens to just happens to.
32:04
Speaker 3: By the way, that degree from where is that Southern
32:06
Speaker 3: Rhode Island University? Is that a fake degree?
32:09
Speaker 6: Over your shoulder, James, so kind of just kidding, Wow, kidding,
32:18
Speaker 6: She wasn't kidding a male.
32:20
Speaker 3: There's a mailing one.
32:21
Speaker 1: Crock school is good.
32:23
Speaker 3: Bigger than bigger thann AJ's college degree. You have the
32:28
Speaker 3: same one.
32:30
Speaker 5: We can fight. We gotta we got a game coming
32:32
Speaker 5: up together. I think after my wonderful spotlight on you,
32:35
Speaker 5: we're going to treat me this way on the show.
32:37
Speaker 3: And that's what my next question was going to be about.
32:39
Speaker 3: I don't even know Krowts read that article about Dalton
32:41
Speaker 3: Rushing and how Katie had to call me and she goes,
32:44
Speaker 3: she goes, does this this is one of the questions,
32:46
Speaker 3: does this reputation of Dalton Rushing that you had your
32:49
Speaker 3: whole career ever go away? And I go, well, I
32:50
Speaker 3: haven't played in ten years, and you're still freaking calling
32:53
Speaker 3: me Katie. So you answer the question for it ever
32:56
Speaker 3: goes away? And your fault, Ka, it's your fault. It's
33:02
Speaker 3: the writers. You guys write bad stuff about AJ. He
33:06
Speaker 3: is a good person. There is nothing that he ever
33:10
Speaker 3: did that made him be who he that you guys
33:13
Speaker 3: wrote about him. Stop doing that. I've never said that.
33:17
Speaker 3: I have never said that for the record, but I
33:19
Speaker 3: was saying that. Never said that. But I will say this,
33:21
Speaker 3: I didn't want to ask you about it. The teammates
33:24
Speaker 3: in the article that he wrote, and if you guys
33:26
Speaker 3: haven't seen, you wrote an article Aboutdlan Rushing about how
33:28
Speaker 3: he's kind of getting this reputation of not being the
33:32
Speaker 3: nicest guy, which some of us have had to live through.
33:34
Speaker 3: And I understand it and I'm fine with it. But
33:37
Speaker 3: his teammates really seem to have his back, and that
33:39
Speaker 3: was a big thing in that article. I mean, heck,
33:41
Speaker 3: you could ask Freddy Freddie dole me for two years,
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Speaker 3: so he already knows how to deal with this problem, right,
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Speaker 3: I mean Mooki. I played with Mooki for a while,
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Speaker 3: so he knows how to deal with this problem. But
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Speaker 3: they seem to really understand him and they've tried to
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Speaker 3: help him. Has he gotten any better? And since your
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Speaker 3: article came out, has your article changed his life?
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Speaker 5: Katie life champion journalists just really ahead of the industry
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Speaker 5: here at the Athletic No. I think it's a good point.
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Speaker 5: Let's talk a little bit about Dalton Rushing and the
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Speaker 5: perception of him in April. He was a little bit
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Speaker 5: of a viral moment all month long. But I think
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Speaker 5: one when you play for the Los Angeles Dodgers, fans
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Speaker 5: just are going to hate you. And it's hard to
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Speaker 5: find guys that are hateable on the Dodgers because you
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Speaker 5: have like Freddy Freeman, you have Otani, you have the Almamoto.
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Speaker 5: These are all guys that play the game well, they
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Speaker 5: play the game right and they're easy to root for,
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Speaker 5: but they play for the Dodgers. So twenty nine other
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Speaker 5: fan bases are like, why we want to hate someone?
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Speaker 5: Dalton Rushing is the type of player where if he's
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Speaker 5: on your team, you'll love him, and if he's not
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Speaker 5: on your team. You hate his guts, and we're seeing that,
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Speaker 5: especially over the last couple of months or the last
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Speaker 5: couple weeks, with some again viral moments that picked up.
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Speaker 5: Maybe they not most favorable things that he's ever said,
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Speaker 5: but what is important is how he's perceived in the clubhouse,
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Speaker 5: at least in Dodgerland. And I think the way that
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Speaker 5: Miguel Rolas and Freddy Freeman in that story described why
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Speaker 5: they like Dalton Rushing and why they want him to
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Speaker 5: succeed so much goes to show so the way Dalton
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Speaker 5: Rushing acts is only a problem if his own clubhouse
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Speaker 5: sees it that way, and they don't. They want to
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Speaker 5: make sure Dalton Rushing stays on the right path. I
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Speaker 5: think Freddy Freeman, I'll quote him, he used a perfect
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Speaker 5: analogy when he said it's like throwing up bumper lanes
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Speaker 5: in a bowling alley. They just want to keep Dalton
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Speaker 5: Rushing on track, but they don't want to take away
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Speaker 5: that competitive edge that makes him the type of player
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Speaker 5: that he is. Dalton Rushing at his core wants to win,
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Speaker 5: and he's done an incredible job of accepting for the
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Speaker 5: first time in his career that he's going to be
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Speaker 5: a backup catcher. He's not going to get every day
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Speaker 5: playing time, and he has to change his approach. Now
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Speaker 5: he comes to the field every day and how he prepares,
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Speaker 5: and he's done so, and his clubhouse has embraced him.
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Speaker 5: There's going to be learning moments along the way. But
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Speaker 5: you guys can attest to this. As long as your
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Speaker 5: clubhouse has your back and isn't tired of your antics,
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Speaker 5: you can act however you want. The Dodgers are committed
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Speaker 5: to making sure that Dalton Rushing can play authentically because
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Speaker 5: that's what makes him good, but also maybe tone down
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Speaker 5: the viral moments because they don't always paint him in
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Speaker 5: the best light. I certainly understand why fans from other
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Speaker 5: teams might not like him, but at the end of
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Speaker 5: the day, what matters is that he's liked in the
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Speaker 5: club house. They actually I think I saw a clip
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Speaker 5: on Twitter with showhy where they have a little handshake
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Speaker 5: and it looks like at the end show Io Tani
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Speaker 5: is like zipping his lips a little. I thought that
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Speaker 5: was hilarious. I'm alluding to what that means. Another thing
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Speaker 5: that I just goes to show about the clubhouses After
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Speaker 5: a series in Saint Louis, Dalton Rushing punched out to
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Speaker 5: end the game. He comes down the dugout and he
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Speaker 5: like kicks the air out of frustration, and the next
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Speaker 5: day the Dodgers launch a kicking celebration where Freddy Freeman said,
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Speaker 5: they're just simply kicking out the bad energy. But I
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Speaker 5: see a little bit more of a correlation there. So AJ,
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Speaker 5: you know this. If the clubhouse has your back, that's
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Speaker 5: what matters. And that seems to be the case for
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Speaker 5: Dalton Rushing.
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Speaker 3: Here true, great ad you wrote an article with AJ's help,
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Speaker 3: come on case.
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Speaker 5: Not only was AJ like his quote was so good,
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Speaker 5: it was our lead.
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Speaker 1: Oooh almost like he talks for a living.
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Speaker 3: It's almost like I know what I'm doing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Dalton Rushing, we're calling you in twenty thirty nine.
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Speaker 3: Kadie back to the original point. By the way you
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Speaker 3: leave Saint Louis, they're good, l a not so good.
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Speaker 3: Can we get back to that? Yeah? You might. You
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Speaker 3: know what, that used to be my nickname with the Giants.
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Speaker 3: That's when Mark Gardner came up. He called me that.
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Speaker 3: So it's not a bad thing.
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Speaker 5: No, I don't want to be the cooler. It's fine,
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Speaker 5: it's fine. Look, I love what the Cardinals are doing.
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Speaker 5: It's great to see those those young guys just kind
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Speaker 5: of click and have an opportunity to go out and
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Speaker 5: play their game. But if there's anyone that deserves to
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Speaker 5: want to write the Jordan Walker comeback story, it's me.
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Speaker 5: So it's kind of eating me alive. But I I
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Speaker 5: you guys know, I'm a Jordan Walker truther.
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Speaker 3: On the show I'll About You, Katie Cat's going to
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Speaker 3: write that story.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well yes, Boden news on this now again, the
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Speaker 1: Athletic is like that too, all right. I'm being told
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Speaker 1: over way, over time. So Katie, you're the best.
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Speaker 3: Thank you.
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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you soon and we'll see on Dodgers Territory.
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Speaker 5: See you, guys,