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Murder In Moscow: Did Bryan Kohberger Interact With Any Of His Victims Prior To The Attacks? · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the program. Right after the murders in
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  Speaker 1: Moscow occurred, there was all sorts of rumors about Brian
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  Speaker 1: Coberger following the girls on Instagram, and those rumors were
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  Speaker 1: pretty much confirmed, in my opinion, by People magazine and
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  Speaker 1: their reporting. And I remember in the days directly after
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  Speaker 1: this attack looking at the Instagram account of Brian Koberger,
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  Speaker 1: and there was a lot of debate back and forth
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  Speaker 1: whether or not that was actually Brian Koberger. But after
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  Speaker 1: they purged that account the way they did, it was
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  Speaker 1: pretty obvious to anybody paying attention anyway, especially after they
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  Speaker 1: purged that account, that it actually did belong to Brian Koberger. Now,
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  Speaker 1: of course, this is still not confirmed by any official source.
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  Speaker 1: But when you put all those pieces together and you
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  Speaker 1: go back and you look at everything as it unfolded,
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  Speaker 1: it sure seems to me that we're on the right
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  Speaker 1: course here, and I think that when all is said
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  Speaker 1: and done, we're gonna find out that the whole Mad
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  Speaker 1: Greek theory that we've been talking about is factual as well.
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  Speaker 1: It just makes sense to me Brian Cohberger runs into
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  Speaker 1: these girls while they're working at the Mad Greek takes
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  Speaker 1: a liking to them, starts following them on Instagram, and
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  Speaker 1: then from there we all know what happened. Now. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: none of this is going to be confirmed by an
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  Speaker 1: official source because of the gag order. But if you
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  Speaker 1: go back and you just follow along with all of
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  Speaker 1: the breadcrumbs that have been laid out, it's pretty simple
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  Speaker 1: to see where this is going and what the connection
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  Speaker 1: between Brian Cohberger and at least Maddie and Kayley. And
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  Speaker 1: I've always been of the opinion that it all started
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  Speaker 1: at the Mad Greek. Remember how forceful the owner of
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  Speaker 1: the Mad Greek was when they were refuting the report
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  Speaker 1: that Brian Colberger had visited their establishment. And I told
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  Speaker 1: you then the way that the owner came out and
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  Speaker 1: was soul that I didn't believe what they had to say,
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  Speaker 1: and not because they want to be, you know, deceitful
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  Speaker 1: or anything like that, but you know, there's an investigation
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  Speaker 1: to consider, and also they have the consideration of their
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  Speaker 1: own business to worry about. So I always found it
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  Speaker 1: laughable when people were taking what the owner of the
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  Speaker 1: Mad Greek had to say has settled fact in the case,
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  Speaker 1: because remember, we haven't heard from an official source one
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  Speaker 1: way or the other about those rumors about the mad Greek,
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  Speaker 1: about Brian Cohberger skulking around on campus, or now Brian
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  Speaker 1: Cohberger and Instagram. So let's dive into this article from
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  Speaker 1: CBS News and let's see what's on tap. Headline Idaho
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  Speaker 1: student murder suspect Brian Cohberger followed victims on Instagram, says family.
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  Speaker 1: This article was authored by Mary Noonan. Among the never
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  Speaker 1: ending questions surrounding the November twenty twenty two murders University
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  Speaker 1: of Idaho students Kaylee Gonsalvez, Madison Matty Mogan, Xana Kernodle,
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  Speaker 1: and Ethan Chapin was did they know their killer? In
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  Speaker 1: an affid David outlining the case, investigators say DNA, cell
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  Speaker 1: phone records, and surveillance camera evidence. Lengthy accused murderer Brian
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  Speaker 1: Koberger to the crime, but his defense attorneys say in
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  Speaker 1: a court filing that there is no connection between mister
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  Speaker 1: Coburger and the victims. And this is an argument that
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  Speaker 1: was raging in the early stages of this investigation between
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  Speaker 1: people on the internet, especially, and I said back then,
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  Speaker 1: there is no doubt that this clown was following them
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  Speaker 1: on Instagram. And that wasn't just me shooting from the hip.
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  Speaker 1: I actually saw the account that they're talking about here now.
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  Speaker 1: Like usual, it was purged like every other account on
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  Speaker 1: the Internet when somebody does something wrong. I mean, look
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  Speaker 1: at what happened with the October first shooter Paddock. There
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  Speaker 1: was nothing about that dude left on the internet. Forget it.
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  Speaker 1: It was like he never even existed. With how they
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  Speaker 1: dumped his footprint and Brian Coberger, it's pretty much the same.
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  Speaker 1: It didn't take them long to get rid of that
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  Speaker 1: Reddit survey that we had found right away, and it
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  Speaker 1: didn't take them long to get rid of this Instagram account.
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  Speaker 1: And that's because, well, what do you know. The Instagram
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  Speaker 1: account is going to be evidence. And this is what
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  Speaker 1: I mean when I'm talking about the behind the scenes
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  Speaker 1: maneuvering of the prosecution. We don't know exactly what they're
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  Speaker 1: up to, keep that in mind, and we don't know
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  Speaker 1: all of the evidence that they've compiled. But with over
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  Speaker 1: sixty digital warrants, you know that they're digging deep into
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  Speaker 1: Brian Colberger's social media activity. You know that they're looking
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  Speaker 1: at everything he was ever involved in, every post he
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  Speaker 1: ever made on the Internet. You know, all of that
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  Speaker 1: came into play during this investigation. And if you don't
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  Speaker 1: think that this dude was following them on Instagram, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what to tell you. Criminologist and See News
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  Speaker 1: consultant Brianna Fox adds that the defense is claiming that
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  Speaker 1: the defendant, Brian Coberger, and the victims have absolutely no connection.
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  Speaker 1: There's no motive, there's no reason for this crime to
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  Speaker 1: take place. So essentially it's raising additional doubt in the
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  Speaker 1: jurors minds. Not really, I don't think any jury is
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  Speaker 1: gonna buy the BS. I think with all of the
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  Speaker 1: evidence that's been presented, you need to tell me that
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  Speaker 1: a jury is gonna look at it and be like, ah,
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  Speaker 1: you know what his DNA got on that sheath from
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  Speaker 1: some magical purpose? Bigfoot rode a chupacabra after having a
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  Speaker 1: fight with King Kong over to the girl's house to
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  Speaker 1: leave this sheath. Ludacris right, Well, so is the idea
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  Speaker 1: that Brian Koberger had anyone else bring that sheath over
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  Speaker 1: to that house. So until that's explained to buy his team,
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  Speaker 1: they're gonna have a mount everestized mountain to climb to
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  Speaker 1: prove their client's innocence, but Kaylee Gonsalva's parents, Steven Christy,
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  Speaker 1: believe they have proof of a connection. In the minutes
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  Speaker 1: after learning Coburger's name, Christy Gonsalves says, we went online
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  Speaker 1: and immediately started googling. Steve Gonsalvis added he was a
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  Speaker 1: PhD student at Washington State. They told us, We're like, PhD,
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  Speaker 1: what the heck is going on? Who? And I remember
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  Speaker 1: when we first got this guy's name, it was on
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  Speaker 1: There was a mad dash to try and find out
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  Speaker 1: who Brian Colberger was. And it's the same story every
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  Speaker 1: single time we have a case like this. It is
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  Speaker 1: the same exact pattern. You have somebody like Brian Coberger
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  Speaker 1: who is accused of a crime like this. They have
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  Speaker 1: a social media footprint one minute and then the next minute, boom,
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  Speaker 1: nothing left. But they didn't get to it as fast
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  Speaker 1: as they'd like. And there's a lot of people out
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  Speaker 1: there who have followed this case from the very beginning
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  Speaker 1: who saw that Instagram account that Kaylee's parents are talking about.
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  Speaker 1: And I myself saw it, and everything about that account
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  Speaker 1: was authentic. Now, I can't tell you one hundred percent
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  Speaker 1: that it was Brian Cohberger, but it sure looked like it.
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  Speaker 1: And then the fact that they purged it so quickly,
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  Speaker 1: well that's some pretty strong evidence, folks. Stephen Christy Gonsabz
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  Speaker 1: talk with forty eight Hours correspondent Peter Van Sant for
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  Speaker 1: the Night of the Idaho student murders streaming now on Paramount.
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  Speaker 1: They said they discovered digital evidence they say showed a
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  Speaker 1: tie of coburger to two of the victims. And in
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  Speaker 1: the initial stages of this, I thought Kaylee was the target.
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  Speaker 1: Then as we got a little more information, we found
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  Speaker 1: out about the location of the knife sheath. Then I
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  Speaker 1: found out that Maddie had worked at the Mad Greek
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  Speaker 1: and for me, that was something that really sent me
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  Speaker 1: down the path of thinking Maddie was the target. Then
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  Speaker 1: as we learned more, it was solidified in my mind.
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  Speaker 1: Now again that's my speculation. There is no information one
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  Speaker 1: way or the other from an official source that I
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  Speaker 1: can point you to that will definitively prove that. But
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  Speaker 1: if you look at all of the evidence that we
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  Speaker 1: have seen so far, it really makes a lot of
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  Speaker 1: sense that Maddie was the target. Then you look at
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  Speaker 1: what happened the night of the murders, well who got
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  Speaker 1: killed first, So logically speaking, that would mean that whoever
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  Speaker 1: was in that bedroom, Maddie was the target of this attack.
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  Speaker 1: And as I've said before, I think Kayley was there
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  Speaker 1: unexpectedly and that sent Brian Coberger into a rage, and
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  Speaker 1: that's why we saw the overkill with Kaylee, and then
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  Speaker 1: on the mad dash out of the house, he ran
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  Speaker 1: into Xana and had to do what he did. So
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  Speaker 1: when you reconstruct the timeline and you reconstruct what happened
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  Speaker 1: in those faithful hours, it really makes sense that Maddie
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  Speaker 1: was the target of allegedly Brian Coberger. In the interview
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  Speaker 1: with Van Sant, the Gonsalvas family provided screenshots of an
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  Speaker 1: Instagram account they believe belonged to Coburger. Those screenshots include
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  Speaker 1: what they say is Coburger's Instagram profile and the list
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  Speaker 1: of all the people he was following, including Matti Mogan
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  Speaker 1: and Kelly Gonsalves. Forty eight Hours has not been able
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  Speaker 1: to confirm the authenticity of this account. Now you see
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  Speaker 1: all of those warrants we've been following behind the scenes
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  Speaker 1: and talking about. This is why while CBS and forty
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  Speaker 1: eight hours may not be able to confirm it. You
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  Speaker 1: look at all of those digital warrants we've seen for Instagram,
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  Speaker 1: for the dms inside of Instagram, and you tell me
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  Speaker 1: that there's no fire here where there was once just smoke.
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  Speaker 1: Christy Gonsalves says when they attempted to cross reference the
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  Speaker 1: accounts of Kaylee, Maddie, Zana, and Ethan, it appeared that
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  Speaker 1: this Coburger account had interacted with Mattie's Instagram. See what
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking about here, you guys picking up what I'm
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  Speaker 1: putting down yet about Maddie. You would go to me
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  Speaker 1: May's Instagram account and look at her pictures, and he
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  Speaker 1: liked them. Christy said he had liked them. Brian's name
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  Speaker 1: was under a lot of Matty's pictures, and I can
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  Speaker 1: confirm that I saw that with my own eyes, folks,
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  Speaker 1: my own two eyes. He had liked them. Brian's name
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  Speaker 1: was under a lot of Matty's pictures. Liked her pictures,
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  Speaker 1: like that picture and that picture, and that picture and
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  Speaker 1: that picture. So he was actively looking at the Instagram account.
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  Speaker 1: The Gonsalves say the account is no longer active. It
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  Speaker 1: disappeared shortly after Coburger's arrest on the same day as
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  Speaker 1: a celebration of life ceremony for Kaylee and Maddie. By
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  Speaker 1: the time we got home from the celebration of life,
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  Speaker 1: it was gone. The Instagram account was gone. Christy Gonsalvez
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  Speaker 1: says a judge entered a plea of not guilty on
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  Speaker 1: Coburger's behalf and a trial date has not yet been announced.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't think at this point, folks, there's any
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  Speaker 1: doubt that this is going to be something that the
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  Speaker 1: prosecution uses to tye Brian Coolberger to these victims. And
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  Speaker 1: considering all of this, I'm pretty sure that we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: hear that the stuff we heard about the mad Greek,
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  Speaker 1: well that was all real too. So things are definitely
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  Speaker 1: heating up, folks, And there's a lot going on behind
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  Speaker 1: the scenes, and I think that a whole lot more
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  Speaker 1: will be revealed to us very very soon. All Right, folks,
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  Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for this one. If you'd like
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