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Buccaneers Embarrassingly Lose to Falcons, 29-28 · Hear The Cannons - Tampa Bay Buccaneers Podcast

• 0:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: What's happened to guys it's Logan Robinson from here the cannons and a bucks game day we're here after the bucks lose and Just awful ugly fashion to the Atlanta Falcons not a good team at all.
• 0:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is now two really just ugly rough losses to teams that they should beat and
• 0:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Be able to be conventionally, but once again, they lose at home in Raymond James Stadium, 2928 in a man.
• 0:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: What a roller coaster ride of a game, but Kirk Cousins does it again, man.
• 0:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: And be John Robinson, you've got Kyle Pitz, Etonian, Dyson Yubb.
• 0:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: it's a usual thing though sadly from the Falcons and now the NSE South Division gets very interesting moving forward certainly if the Panthers get the win on Sunday against the Saints.
• 0:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: With me as Riverwells are lead editor at buckshammy.com River.
• 0:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Take me through this name.
• 0:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a wild ride.
• 0:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, um quite frankly the books played bad football took the half then.
• 1:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're not only looking like a bad football team, they're looking like one of the worst in the NFL.
• 1:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Putting up 28 points is good, but they have game-preting situations on offense, like a boot-up pass that they can make field.
• 1:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Didn't put on the money.
• 1:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: You've got third-down lows.
• 1:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: You've got execution problems on that side.
• 1:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: The defense, allowing the Falcons to convert on a massive fourth and a 14.
• 1:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: to get out of bounds.
• 1:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then when you're going to the spike having 12 men on the field and an off-sodged complete mess that gives them five more yards, how can that 18 penalties tonight?
• 1:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: For over 100 yards, still beat the tantalabuck in years by 0.2928.
• 1:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're playing very bad football right now.
• 1:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they have been
• 1:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: and they're in the worst position that any sports team can be in which they don't know what the answers are.
• 1:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're lost.
• 1:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: They don't know what is happening.
• 2:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: They don't know how to fix it.
• 2:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: We can, and we get out here the same sort of things.
• 2:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're injured.
• 2:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that's true.
• 2:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: In that hurts.
• 2:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: But
• 2:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: You get, you get, my Kevin's back.
• 2:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: You get to the bone back.
• 2:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: My Kevin's goes for over 120 yards.
• 2:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: You lose.
• 2:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's just execution on both sides of the ball.
• 2:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Baker may have the other side of one of his worst games as a buck in the unit.
• 2:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's been quite bad.
• 2:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think for some time now, and that's causing a lot of problems to the audience and execution.
• 2:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's coaching, right?
• 2:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's scheming.
• 2:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's the players have to go out and execute.
• 2:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we're just talking with our right at JCM for this.
• 2:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know,
• 2:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is up to a coach to develop his players to coach them up to make them play properly.
• 2:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I do put the illness of that on Tom Bowles for sure, but also the players who go out there and make plays and their execution has dropped off a clip over the last three games.
• 2:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: So is a very, very bad football team.
• 2:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: As it stands right now, if the plant is out of beat the New Orleans Saints on Sunday, they will have match points against the buck and ears in the NSEF South
• 3:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: And quite frankly, the way I just looking there seems to be playing, I don't think it could be anybody in the National Football League.
• 3:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, inexcusable was the word that Tom Bulls used and he's correct, he used a lot of profanity, I like profanity, YouTube doesn't, so I'm not going to beat it, but
• 3:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: At some point it isn't beautiful and it has been to the past few weeks and you have to figure out answers to these problems and right now to me, it looks like they don't have any and that's a really bad breaks to me.
• 3:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, it's a really bad place.
• 3:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Todd Bowles absolutely went off more primarily over.
• 3:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Do you want it?
• 3:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Do you care about this team?
• 3:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: You have any want to end you and tell them to look into the effing mirror and the locker room nice That's what he told us that he told the team afterward and we heard from Baker Mayfield as well Not happy.
• 3:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean these guys aren't gonna be happy them I mean what else are you gonna what else are you gonna say when you have a loss like this this team prepared?
• 4:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: He said it's not about preparation.
• 4:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: They feel like they do a strong
• 4:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: new strong work on that side but when it comes on to execution this team just does not deliver and you can see it on the defensive side the ball too Of course you can see me in the multiple times.
• 4:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean there is one fumble of course that you had I want to say six or seven bucks players
• 4:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Had a chance, had a, had a, had an easy chance against one while one of Falcons Flair to go against Mooney to go grab that ball and they couldn't do it as a FSU covering four to state.
• 4:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, not just was just flashbacks to what happened.
• 4:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're also going to need to go out time.
• 4:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but it was just absolutely horrific house.
• 4:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, I think I think Rivers getting hit by one of the statues over there.
• 4:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but yeah, I mean, it was just piss-for-play and you had guys that were really fine.
• 4:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: You could tell from my oven.
• 4:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: See, look like he could have gotten injured two times in this game all throughout.
• 4:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think he got flipped on a big time hit and looked like he heard his back and then they were massaging his hamstring and he goes back in and then he looks like he heard his shoulder is collarbone again, but then he goes back in.
• 5:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: He has over 130 something yards.
• 5:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: on the night and it was, you know, the best part of that buck to offense tonight in Jalen McMillan made his comeback and made a big time grab there at the one and, you know, Chris, I don't got to touch on along with to the two point conversion like this.
• 5:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: There was, there was rhythm going there in the second half of the buck, so at the first half it was awful in the fourth quarter just as we know completely collapsed on this team.
• 5:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Just complete collapse in this.
• 5:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: This has always been a conversation about, you know, Todd Bolsey said this is a player driven team.
• 5:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: You think that's, you know, that the issue here that it's truly not enough want.
• 5:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: And but at the end of the day, you still put that on the head coach.
• 5:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's something man, and they got to figure it out.
• 5:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Quite frankly, you had the same problems occurring here after year, you know, we mentioned this on Wednesday during our here at the Cannons podcast yesterday.
• 5:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know the players I'm going to want to.
• 5:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: He kind of implied that in his press conference and then tried to backtrack it and say, oh, no, they all wanted.
• 6:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: But, man, if you got to have that conversation in week 15, I don't know, to tell you, you know, I don't know.
• 6:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you don't want it by now, then when are you?
• 6:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: When are you going to swing up?
• 6:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, right?
• 6:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think you do.
• 6:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's on players, it's on coaches.
• 6:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's on culture, building there.
• 6:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, Bakermakers, I don't think we have a culture problem.
• 6:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I agree.
• 6:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not in the locker room, but playing this poorly in this lack of execution.
• 6:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: And this weird sort of culture on accountability does create those problems.
• 6:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's very esoteric, right?
• 6:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't really comment on stuff like that.
• 6:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because somehow it's hard to tell, you know, is that thing?
• 6:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Is that not a thing?
• 6:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: But the bottom line, here's what is a thing.
• 6:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're not executing.
• 6:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, defense is playing bad.
• 6:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: The offense is playing bad.
• 6:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: the coaching is not good, you know, certain play calling on both sides of the ball is not enough to snuff certain decisions going forward, situational football, right?
• 7:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if Baker may feel it hits that ball to make a boogle when I'm talking about this and that's that's true and that's on Baker may feel, but throwing the football in that situation not the way up the clock might be on coaching, right?
• 7:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's a mixed everything man and it's not good and right now at its end, the pandemic's gonna spawn blood in the water,
• 7:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: and they have match point against Tampa Bay at home, and there's no reason for me to think that they won't win the game.
• 7:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we'll see how it goes.
• 7:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk to Bob Bowls to Barrow about what's going on, but they don't have answers.
• 7:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're still looking, and it's too late.
• 7:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, that's I mean, Tristan was said it after, you know, he doesn't know what else to say.
• 7:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: He said he was he was in complete shock about how this game went.
• 7:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's exactly the reaction of what we had from Baker to they did not at all expect for this game to be a loss.
• 7:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what you hear from every player and every team and such.
• 7:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, this is a bad falcons.
• 7:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is a bad guy.
• 8:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's a 18 penalties.
• 8:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: They gave you a very hard.
• 8:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's another crazy thing.
• 8:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's another insane thing.
• 8:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: You couldn't beat a team.
• 8:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: You couldn't beat a team that gave you a team.
• 8:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Penelope people listen people are going to talk about people kind of talk about that that simultaneous double recovery right and that was a big swing right.
• 8:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what happened there but they gave you eight and all these right and you can't beat them you can't go out there.
• 8:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: So
• 8:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: If Alkins tried their hardest could beat themselves, and books wouldn't let them.
• 8:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you got to go back to work, but they're going to do more than go back to work.
• 8:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is to go back to work.
• 8:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is to go back to work.
• 8:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is to go back to work.
• 8:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is to go back to work.
• 8:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is to go back to work.
• 8:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is to go back to work.
• 8:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is to go back to work.
• 8:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is to go back to work.
• 8:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is to go back to work.
• 8:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is to go back to work.
• 8:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is to go back to work.
• 8:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is to go back to work.
• 8:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is to go back to work.
• 8:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is to go back to work.
• 8:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is to go back to work.
• 8:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: I tweeted this, they hit Def Con 1 tonight, and the bomb's gonna drop on if they don't do it, but you know, you and I and Caleb were talking about on Wednesday night and we brought up the conversation of if the box loose this game you're at home, you have a lot of guys back at Mike Evans back.
• 9:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: You do.
• 9:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Millen back for your defense.
• 9:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: You did.
• 9:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: And okay.
• 9:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: And okay, you loose Rossi Dennis.
• 9:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think anybody's, you know, too sad about that one for that loss.
• 9:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: as conversation about Todd Bowles is it's on the hot seat.
• 9:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think whenever you're looking around for hot seat articles, I think you're going to find a few tomorrow morning, River, or at least after Sunday.
• 9:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because I mean, if you would ask the situation that you're at, I mean, this team had a lot of high expectations coming to see.
• 9:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then that's not just from, you know, us saying that we're at training camp in such a, we could see it on hand firsthand, but also this team believed it.
• 9:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: And
• 9:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, you hear that from all across the league, these players are going to say that they feel like they're Super Bowl bound and they've got a lot of potential But you can truly feel like there was a lot coming into you bring your entire offense back as well Yes, you go with some injuries here and there, but as we found Andrees are not the issue at this team.
• 9:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: That is not an excuse No And it never should be in NFL.
• 10:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: It never should be in NFL.
• 10:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: It never should that's not it and Baker's not playing Baker's not playing good But we were talking about a cross box not what we like seven
• 10:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, since about week seven, I mean, I mentioned it right at the beginning of this podcast.
• 10:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is one of Baker's worst games in the book, missing past.
• 10:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Again, he had the kill shot to the back of Booka down the scene, there in the second down.
• 10:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: He hits that game over, can't do it.
• 10:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Holding on the ball way too long to take his axe or he didn't need to.
• 10:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: He got bailed out through him by Adrian Turrell's hold.
• 10:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it actually ended up looking a bit better than it really was.
• 10:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's had a really rough game.
• 10:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Be it injury, be it being who he is, be it's, you know, the O line.
• 10:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a bunch of reasons why this could be gone through a few of them.
• 10:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: But the bottom line is that he's not playing good football and then has a result that hurts the offense, right?
• 10:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: And also line the interior pressure horrible could not stop anybody.
• 11:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: those backup guards really bad play there in Grand Bart as well as that man.
• 11:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Man you've got receivers and you know sometimes they run the wrong routes you know Baker was looking at test Johnson at one point so that's something that's interesting about as well.
• 11:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: It comes down to everyone.
• 11:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm a good boo who was rightly said that the locker room but your quarterback not playing, not even up to standard, not even bad.
• 11:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean like really bad.
• 11:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, there's a comment on here about the offensive line.
• 11:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Of course, that's an issue from the interview.
• 11:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: You could tell that and that but Baker for some reason too, he doesn't feel he's not comfortable with the offensive line.
• 11:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can tell that and then he gets jittery and then you course he pumps that ball.
• 11:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: and those feet are moving very quick, and that's been the case since after the, after the, I'd say the Patriots game, but you could just see a change in his play as mentality.
• 11:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can see the difference in pregame as well as able to tell, just, I don't think, I think he's lost some of that strength in the mentors and for a quarterback, and if that,
• 12:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: That shoots you, you know, it's hard to come back when you're shot, mentally coming into games like this and I don't feel like he's that confident.
• 12:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was able to find a little bit of a rhythm in this game and it helps a tone when you have a guy like Mike Evans that can go up and watch people the way they do.
• 12:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: And shout out to Chris Godwin on the second Octopus of the year.
• 12:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
• 12:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 12:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 12:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Good stuff there.
• 12:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's execution.
• 12:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 12:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Tom else said Mike's one of the guys who cares.
• 12:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's an interesting thing to say.
• 12:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: back off on that rhetoric later.
• 12:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Fresh conference.
• 12:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: You guys can look it up on YouTube.
• 12:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: But if you got that problem this season, then ban and I'll hope you enter here.
• 12:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not any better.
• 12:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
• 12:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, not at all.
• 12:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they've got a lot of work to do.
• 12:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like Todd Bulls just said.
• 12:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a...
• 12:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's certainly disappointing if you're a box fan, it's definitely disappointing what the start that you had of the season and you know you had the buck.
• 12:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: You had the injuries lingering, but this team was still able to fight and play through them.
• 13:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: But just something happens on a yearly basis under Todd Bowls and it's lose games and lose games consistently after having.
• 13:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: a pretty strong start to the season and you saw a lot of momentum swing in their way and they've completely crapped it out and it's completely gone now and now it's really going to be all up in the air on who wins this and F.C.
• 13:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: South division.
• 13:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: They still would need to go beat the fans twice to beat the Panthers twice and I just don't see 425 425 Sunday sit down and watch because that's going to be
• 13:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: a big one.
• 13:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: To be quite frank with you, I agree.
• 13:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't see that happening to be with Anders Weiss and also guys we've talked about before.
• 13:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: If this team makes the playoffs, they're going to get sheld in the first round.
• 13:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to get demolished.
• 13:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: It will not even be a conversation.
• 13:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: It will be swiftly dispatched and fought no more of, by whoever is the fifth seed is.
• 13:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 13:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a ugly play there.
• 13:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: We will be live for you guys though likely maybe even earlier in the week and next week since this was a Thursday night game So make sure you subscribe down below hit that subscribe button We have a lot more longer shows than this usually For you guys so we'll be on there at least probably Tuesday maybe even Monday just depends with how many things are going on right now But this team is in shambles and there's a lot to talk about and it's I think
• 14:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: even more of an importance to talk about the future of what this organization is going to look into what 2026.
• 14:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of sadly where we're at, where this team has a potential to make the playoffs.
• 14:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, they still have a chance to fight and make it.
• 14:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's just 20 look at that quality.
• 14:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: It looks like that percentage.
• 14:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: It is insane.
• 14:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: It looks like the percentage is dropping heavily though.
• 14:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: It definitely looks like the percentage is dropping.
• 14:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but we've got some crazy stuff going on.
• 14:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, we're legally obligated to uh, to talk about what's going on.
• 14:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Jason Whittner's phone call is behind us.
• 15:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm looking for a Fitzgerald Fitzmagic, but he's not out here anymore.
• 15:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Could he use a little bit of that Fitzmagic tonight?
• 15:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, got to clean things up, got to be better on the offensive side defensive side.
• 15:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Special, special teams on them too bad tonight actually had.
• 15:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Not too good.
• 15:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Take a point.
• 15:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's a point.
• 15:22
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