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Speaker 1: Peter Kremlin live on Skyins Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Thank you again for your company. Here's what's
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Speaker 2: coming up tonight on Kredline. An explosive second day the
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Speaker 2: more Ademing defamation battle against John Perzuto. Seventy minutes of
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Speaker 2: a secret recording between Demian Perzuto and other liberals within
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Speaker 2: the leadership team was played out.
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Speaker 3: In full in court.
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Speaker 2: Now I'll get into the detail of what was said
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Speaker 2: in a moment and Deming's first day a bit later
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Speaker 2: on in the witness box. In just a moment, Anger
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Speaker 2: bounces the Albanezer government's business agenda sets us on a
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Speaker 2: path to economic wreckage. But it's not just a business
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Speaker 2: community sounding the alarm.
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Speaker 3: Even Union's Scoreward.
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Speaker 2: Build Kelti calls out Labour's mediocopy plus the international panel
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Speaker 2: joining me for more information, discussing what's come to light
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Speaker 2: about Trump's would be assassin. Serious questions mounting about how
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Speaker 2: someone got so close, especially in light of that near
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Speaker 2: miss just two months ago, and the bombshell review by
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Speaker 2: a former police assistant commissioner that's found Victorian police engaged
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Speaker 2: in an overt cover up of the infamous car crash
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Speaker 2: involving Daniel Andrews that left a teenager with life threatening
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Speaker 2: in NWIS.
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Speaker 4: We felt, or we knew at the time that we
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Speaker 4: didn't really get justice at the time over the accident,
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Speaker 4: and that we were sort of dealt a bad hand.
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Speaker 4: But with the new evidence and the new witnesses and
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Speaker 4: the new reports where we feel that we can get
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Speaker 4: a little bit more justice out.
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Speaker 2: Of it, those revelations are huge. Well come to those
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Speaker 2: to night. The first A two of the defamation trial
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Speaker 2: between Liberals Moradeemi and her former leader John Perzuto, for
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Speaker 2: seventy minutes the Federal Court was played as secret recording
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Speaker 2: made of the meeting between Deeming, Perzzuto and three others
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Speaker 2: in his lead ship team, his deputy David Southwick, Upper
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Speaker 2: House MP's Georgia Crozier and they now retired Matt Back.
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Speaker 2: To say it was explosive would be an understatement. To
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Speaker 2: say it was a pylon would be an understatement. The
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Speaker 2: meeting took place on Sunday, the nineteenth Advanch, the day
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Speaker 2: after the Let Women Speak rally, where Deeming spoke in
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Speaker 2: favor the right of women and girls to single sex
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Speaker 2: spaces after Neo Nazi has turned up at this rally
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Speaker 2: and Daniel Andrews attacked the Liberals as being somehow in
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Speaker 2: collusion with them because of Deeming's presence, even though she
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Speaker 2: can hardly be blamed for anyone who crashes a public event.
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Speaker 2: Perzudo and his leadership team panicked. And that's always been
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Speaker 2: the Liberal Party's problem in Victoria.
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Speaker 3: With Andrews.
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Speaker 2: It's why he was such a dominant force in this state.
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Speaker 2: Even after the horror of six record lockdowns, he was
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Speaker 2: able to run again and defeat the Liberals at the
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Speaker 2: November twenty twenty two election. The Liberals were scared of Andrews.
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Speaker 2: The Liberals were spooked by Andrews. The Liberals never believed
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Speaker 2: they could stand up to Andrews to take him on
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Speaker 2: and win.
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Speaker 3: He had their measure, he knew it.
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Speaker 2: And every single Liberal that he faced, Michael O'Brien, Matthew
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Speaker 2: Guy and John Persudo, all of them capitulated to Andrews.
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Speaker 3: Now why I'll never know.
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Speaker 2: I refuse to cow to Andrews, because your job in
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Speaker 2: public life, be it politics, all the media, is to
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Speaker 2: stand up to bullies. But as a pity that so
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Speaker 2: many of these Liberal blokes were as weak as water,
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Speaker 2: but not too weak.
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Speaker 3: It would seem, from what we heard today in the court,
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Speaker 3: to try.
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Speaker 2: And bully and gas like Deeming, who let's remember, had
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Speaker 2: only been an elected MP for a couple of months.
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Speaker 2: This Sunday meeting was meant to be an opportunity for
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Speaker 2: her to defend the charges against her that she was
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Speaker 2: somehow linked to neo Nazis. But what today's airing of
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Speaker 2: the secret audio showed is that this was just a setup.
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Speaker 3: There was never any attempt to give her a fair go.
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Speaker 2: From the outset, this group had all but made up
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Speaker 2: their mind that she should be forced to resign and
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Speaker 2: if she refused to go, they would move to expel
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Speaker 2: her and Pazuto will he dumped himself in it on
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Speaker 2: that very point. Despite he says, Deeming's commitment to make
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Speaker 2: a public statement denouncing any Nazism, denouncing any offensive comments
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Speaker 2: that others might have made against trans people, and affirming
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Speaker 2: that instead her campaign is about the rights of women
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Speaker 2: and girls alone, Perzuto still today said this certainly played today.
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Speaker 3: It was back from last year. He said.
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Speaker 2: The long and short of it, Moira is as a group,
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Speaker 2: we don't think a statement will work. A statement won't
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Speaker 2: get us there. What am I going to do is
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Speaker 2: to ask the party room to support a motion to
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Speaker 2: remove you from the parliamentary party. He went on to say,
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Speaker 2: it's not personal. I'm putting the team first. And here's
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Speaker 2: the kicker. Despite earlier admitting in this secret recording that
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Speaker 2: he didn't think she was a Nazi sympathizer in any way,
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Speaker 2: he said that the reasons for expelling her wherein I
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Speaker 2: quote that they relate to the matters concerning links of
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Speaker 2: people to self confessed and self professed Nazis. Maira Deeming, remember,
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Speaker 2: was part raised by her uncle, a Holocaust survivor. Can
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Speaker 2: you imagine how offensive those claims were to her? And
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Speaker 2: what Deming's barrister, Zanthu, was able to draw out from
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Speaker 2: the seventy minutes of this meeting was a very clear
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Speaker 2: position that it wasn't just these false Nazi claims that
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Speaker 2: the Liberal leader was pursuing Deeming over, but the very
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Speaker 2: fact she was standing out for the rights of women.
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Speaker 2: And we know that because earlier in the tape, when
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Speaker 2: he appeared willing to keep opening the option that she
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Speaker 2: might only be disciplined for attending the rally, not outright expelled.
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Speaker 2: Berzuno said that if she was to stay in the
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Speaker 2: Liberal parliamentary team, quote, there would have to be road rules.
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Speaker 2: You can't hang out with these people. You just can't
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Speaker 2: by that he meant fellow women's rights activists. He also said,
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Speaker 2: you can't go to rallies, you can't hang out with
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Speaker 2: who you'd like to hang out with, and you can't
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Speaker 2: go to rallies about issues you feel strongly about. That
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Speaker 2: from the man who calls himself a liberal leader, Well,
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Speaker 2: it might have escaped his attention, but the Liberal Party
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Speaker 2: was founded on the very basis of an individual's right
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Speaker 2: to freedom of speech and freedom of association. It's one
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Speaker 2: of the big dividing lines between the Liberal Party and labor,
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Speaker 2: with its forced compulsion for workers to join unions and
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Speaker 2: toe the line in parliamentary votes. Here it is, in
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Speaker 2: black and white on the Liberal Party's official website, the
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Speaker 2: famous Robert Menzies we believe statement. In part it reads,
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Speaker 2: we believe in those basic parliamentary freedoms, the freedom of thought, worship,
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Speaker 2: speech and association. After lunchtime or a dealing, then took
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Speaker 2: the stand. A debate ensued about which faction did or
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Speaker 2: didn't support her pre selection, and despite the inference today
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Speaker 2: from Perzzuto's barrister at some she was a far right
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Speaker 2: nut job. Her pre selection was in fact supported by
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Speaker 2: the liberal left, not the Conservatives. Honey, they didn't admit
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Speaker 2: that in the court, did they. But being pro women
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Speaker 2: is not anti trans. I'm fiercely pro women. I'm a
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Speaker 2: strong defender, as you know, of the rights of women
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Speaker 2: and girls to single sex spaces and sport. But under
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Speaker 2: no circumstances do I condone discrimination against anyone, least of
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Speaker 2: all trans people. My objections always being where I lose
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Speaker 2: my rights as a woman when they are in conflict
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Speaker 2: with the demands of the trans lobby. Trying to make
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Speaker 2: Moira out of some anti trans rather than pro woman
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Speaker 2: agitator is where Perzuto's barrister went for most of the
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Speaker 2: rest of the hearing today with this line of attack,
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Speaker 2: just yet again confirming that Perzuto and his leadership team
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Speaker 2: had marked out deemings pro women views. There is something
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Speaker 2: incapable incompatible with a party that, in the state of
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Speaker 2: Victoria has repeatedly rolled over to Labour's hard left policies
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Speaker 2: on identity politics. Is it any wonder these liberals in
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Speaker 2: Victoria are in a state of almost permanent opposition for
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Speaker 2: the past twenty five years, but for one term in
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Speaker 2: government they've been out of power. Trying to be labor
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Speaker 2: light is why they are where they are now. Dozens
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Speaker 2: and dozens of Liberals, party stallwarts, MPs and donors will
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Speaker 2: they let me note today that they were listening to
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Speaker 2: the court case and their anger is only growing again.
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Speaker 2: I just cannot understand why Perzuto has allowed himself and
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Speaker 2: the Liberals in Victoria to be dragged into court like this.
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Speaker 2: Anyone listening to the proceedings today. How Ever it turns
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Speaker 2: out in the end, I conclude that this leadership team
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Speaker 2: is not a team of leaders and the bloke in
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Speaker 2: charge is unworthy of any position of authority now and
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Speaker 2: into the future.
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Speaker 3: We'll come back to that in a moment. Let's go
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Speaker 3: to cavern now.
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Speaker 2: If the headlines Skyne's political reporter Trunny Macintosh.
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Speaker 5: The housing stalemate in the Senate shows no sign of ending.
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Speaker 5: As the Prime Minister up to the ante, you could go.
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Speaker 6: To a DD though it probably won't go to a
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Speaker 6: d D because it wouldn't be a great result for you,
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Speaker 6: would it.
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Speaker 7: Well, well, wait and see.
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Speaker 5: The chance of a double dissolution election, though it is
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Speaker 5: highly unlikely the next election is Dubo May anyway, and
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Speaker 5: it would only increase the chance of an even bigger
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Speaker 5: Senate cross bench.
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Speaker 7: I'll tell you a way to avoid a d D.
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Speaker 8: It's for the Coalition and the Greens to vote for
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Speaker 8: legislation that they support.
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Speaker 9: People thought they had got rid of Skott Morrison when
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Speaker 9: government changed in twenty twenty two, but now we have
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Speaker 9: another prime minister who'd rather bulldoze their way through Parliament
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Speaker 9: than come to the table act like an adult.
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Speaker 5: The Government is struggling to get its help to Buy
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Speaker 5: scheme approved in jeopardy, the plan that would mean lower
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Speaker 5: deposits and repayments for ten thousand Australians a year, with
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Speaker 5: government to take an equity stake in the home.
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Speaker 10: It'll be bad policy for Australians if they find that
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Speaker 10: when they sit down at the kitchen table they've got
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Speaker 10: the Government taking up one of the seats.
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Speaker 5: And the Prime Minister defends his decision to fly to
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Speaker 5: the United States later this week to attend the Quad
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Speaker 5: leader's talks. Anthony Alberanzi set to meet US President Joe Biden.
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Speaker 5: Japan's Prime minister Fumio Kashita and India's Narendra Modi in Delaware.
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Speaker 6: Why have this meeting when the current president is departing
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Speaker 6: and the Japanese Prime minister's departing, and you've essentially got
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Speaker 6: a couple of lame ducks there.
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Speaker 8: The Quad is an important body. It is important that
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Speaker 8: the Quad continue to meet.
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Speaker 5: Trudy Macintosh Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 2: Well, Prime Minister you saw there in city today called
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Speaker 2: a press conference in the inner southern suburb of Rosebury
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Speaker 2: to try and push his latest housing plan. But Basconi
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Speaker 2: is political letter who joins me in a moment. Andrew
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Speaker 2: Clenell was there with some tough questions for the PM.
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Speaker 6: Is it really the time to be hitting businesses with
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Speaker 6: your wave of ir reforms, increasing red tape and requirements
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Speaker 6: on business the Bill Kelty has reportedly said, there's not
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Speaker 6: enough imagination in your government. You've got polls showing your
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Speaker 6: government at risk of losing. So do you fear a
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Speaker 6: hung parliament where it would be even harder to get
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Speaker 6: anything through? Do you expect a rate cup before the election?
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Speaker 6: Have you ever ruled your minister? Because even with me,
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Speaker 6: she didn't rule out the climate trigger being part of
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Speaker 6: the ghost.
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Speaker 2: Andrew Cline, how to as be now from city? Well,
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Speaker 2: I hate to say I think he probably thought it
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Speaker 2: was a doddle until you turned up.
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Speaker 3: Andrew.
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Speaker 2: You thought that Canberra Press coury crowd or a long
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Speaker 2: way away from Rosebury. But you pressed him on a
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Speaker 2: range of subjects. Do you feel like you've got any answers?
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Speaker 6: Well, he answered them. I think the government is in
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Speaker 6: need to.
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Speaker 3: Get an answer.
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Speaker 6: Is an answer, Let's not get into that, Petter. What
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Speaker 6: I will say is the government is in need of
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Speaker 6: a plan. You know, if I was running a coalition
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Speaker 6: ad campaign now, I'd say Labor has no plan when
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Speaker 6: it comes to the economy. Their only plan is hope
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Speaker 6: for a rate cut, and I think that's why they're
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Speaker 6: in the situation they're in. They announce a few things,
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Speaker 6: but you could argue their IR reforms are great for
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Speaker 6: productivity and don't help the current problem. You could argue
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Speaker 6: they could have cut spending more. I'm starting to think
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Speaker 6: maybe even put us into recession. I know that sounds
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Speaker 6: crazy because we still have low unemployment, but they could
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Speaker 6: have done that and then out the other side near
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Speaker 6: the election inflations come down, rates come down. Now we're
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Speaker 6: sort of in this death of a thousand cuts or
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Speaker 6: death of one hundred no rate cuts, I guess, and
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Speaker 6: that is problematic if inflation hangs around at three point five.
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Speaker 6: So you know, Bill Kelsey's got a bit of a
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Speaker 6: point when he says some imaginations needed, and I've been
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Speaker 6: saying for a while, including to you, some risk is needed.
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Speaker 6: That's the big thing that's needed. And I'm not sure
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Speaker 6: that this week's display that we can't get anything through helps.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 6: They're putting this up because they want to say, look,
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Speaker 6: if you think it's bad having a Senate that doesn't
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Speaker 6: pass these things with the Greens in charge, don't do
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Speaker 6: it in the lower house. Don't give us a hung parliament.
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Speaker 6: We need to get an agenda through, including their help
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Speaker 6: on housing. But the problem is when you do that,
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Speaker 6: it also backfire because it makes you look a bit
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Speaker 6: helpless and a bit impotent. And I feel that that
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Speaker 6: is a bit of the impression of this week. They've
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Speaker 6: come with this strategy to say, look, the Senate, the
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Speaker 6: Coalition and the Greens, the n illision, they're against change,
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Speaker 6: they're against housing, change to get more people in housing.
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Speaker 6: But I think ultimately you look like impotent if you
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Speaker 6: can't look impotent, if you can't get things through, well.
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Speaker 2: I think you also risk with those sort of strange
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Speaker 2: bedfellows is if everybody's against you, and now you've got
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Speaker 2: even Bill Kelty coming out against you, it's quite possible
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Speaker 2: that your strategies roll. You're amplifying your critics. You pushed
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Speaker 2: in pretty hard on the issue of a double dissolution.
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Speaker 2: Let's have a listen.
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Speaker 6: You could go to a DD, though it probably won't
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Speaker 6: go to a DD because it wouldn't be a great
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Speaker 6: result for you, would it.
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Speaker 7: Well, well, wait and see.
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Speaker 3: He sort of left it on the table. Was that
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Speaker 3: just foxing though? Do you think you're serious?
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Speaker 6: It's foxing because the only the polls where they are
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Speaker 6: at least I mean, maybe they'll improve, especially if there's
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Speaker 6: rate cuts, but where they are. A double dissolution would
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Speaker 6: only help the coalition in the front bench in the Senate.
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Speaker 6: It wouldn't assist the government, so there's no point doing it.
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Speaker 6: Another aspect to it is you need to build voted
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Speaker 6: down three times right, So I believe the Green are
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Speaker 6: going to move tonight or tomorrow for this help to
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Speaker 6: buy legislation vote to be pushed out to November twenty six,
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Speaker 6: and my sources tell me the coalition will back that.
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Speaker 6: So that sort of negates the amount of time that
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Speaker 6: you'd need for enough no votes on a piece of
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Speaker 6: legislation to pull the trigger. So it's kind of academic
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Speaker 6: if he had said no, I don't want a dd
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Speaker 6: Eitherough I kind of trapped him a bit there, Peter,
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Speaker 6: I must admit he would look weak. He would look
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Speaker 6: like he was conceding the election. So I don't think
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Speaker 6: he had many options but to suggest, yeah, well we
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Speaker 6: could do that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just twice I've got to say twice in
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Speaker 2: ninety days on the notice paper between the ballots on
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Speaker 2: the legislation for the trigger. Hey, you made the point,
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Speaker 2: and this is very telling of internal politics in labor.
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Speaker 2: You said he has pulled rank on Tanya Plever sec
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Speaker 2: ruling out this talk we heard last week about some
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Speaker 2: sort of climate trigger being inserted in the EPA legislation.
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Speaker 2: Give me a read on the internal politics of labor
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Speaker 2: and the labor left in city at the moment.
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Speaker 6: Well, I don't think you'll ever hear Anthony Albanezi chastised
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Speaker 6: Tanua Plebase or at all, not in a cabinet forum,
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Speaker 6: not in any forum in government. But do I think
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Speaker 6: they're seeing things on the same page at the moment. No,
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Speaker 6: I did not, because there's the gold mine in Orange
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Speaker 6: and now there's this. So has he actually intervened here
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Speaker 6: to make it more forceful there'll be no climate trigger?
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Speaker 6: Yes he has. Now. One argument put to me today
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Speaker 6: is Tenure Plibersex foxing with the climate trigger to try
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Speaker 6: and get the coalition to vote for the legislation. I'm
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Speaker 6: not so sure about that because she wouldn't deny it
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Speaker 6: to me today that she had discussed it with the
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Speaker 6: Greens or her office had. It's a pretty simple thing
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Speaker 6: to deny, and in interviews with me and I think
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Speaker 6: a press conference or interviews with others, she hadn't ruled
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Speaker 6: out checking a climate trigger in there. She is to
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Speaker 6: the left of parts of the government on the environment.
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Speaker 6: Tanua Pliberse. Look, she's a person of principle. Good luck
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Speaker 6: to her, but a lot of the positions that she
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Speaker 6: takes could be difficult politically for the government, especially in
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Speaker 6: somewhere like Western Australia. So yeah, I definitely think he's
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Speaker 6: probably overruled her on this one. But that's a prime
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Speaker 6: minister's right, isn't.
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Speaker 11: It, Peter?
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Speaker 3: Absolutely?
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Speaker 2: Hey, what about the reports today that the Coalition angry
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Speaker 2: that Labour's given funding to groups who have links to
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Speaker 2: people who have praised the October seven terror attacks that
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Speaker 2: made derogatory comments about homosexuality in women's place in society.
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Speaker 2: The grants were part of the fifteen million dollar federal
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Speaker 2: grants program designed for religious organizations to invest in security
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Speaker 2: to protect against violence. A bit like the visas coming
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Speaker 2: out of Gaza. It doesn't seem like that isn't meant
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Speaker 2: much checking into the back ground of these organizations.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and you can point the fingers sometimes at the
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Speaker 6: Department for that, or maybe the statements came after the grants,
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Speaker 6: but the Coalition and the Australian obviously dug them up
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Speaker 6: and it is a damaging story. You know, you don't
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Speaker 6: want people saying horrific things getting taxpayers money. But I
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Speaker 6: think another interesting aspect to this whole thing, and we
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Speaker 6: can see why Labour wants to keep the Muslim groups
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Speaker 6: on side because as well as you know, not alienate
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Speaker 6: Israeli people in this country is born out in the
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Speaker 6: New South Wales local government elections where the Greens got
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Speaker 6: quite a swing in Western Sydney and Peter you would
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Speaker 6: know that is not a natural constituency for the Greens right,
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Speaker 6: so they normally get their vote inner city areas and
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Speaker 6: that has to be in my view linked to the
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Speaker 6: Palestine issue. So that's a real day. I mean Labour's
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Speaker 6: already has to fight the Liberal Party in Western Sydney.
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Speaker 6: Now got these pro Palestinian candidate, so we know we're
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Speaker 6: going to run Muslim voice or whatever you like to
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Speaker 6: call it. Add on top of that pressure from an
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Speaker 6: increased Greens votes, the preferences may come to Labor or
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Speaker 6: they may not in the force that they have previously.
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Speaker 6: And you see why Western Sydney is going to be
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Speaker 6: a battleground in this election. And bizarrely one of the
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Speaker 6: reasons for it is a war thousands of miles away.
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Speaker 3: It's a perfect storm for Labor on the left. HANDSL. Klenell,
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Speaker 3: thank you.
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Speaker 2: Just before we go to the break figures table in
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Speaker 2: the Senate and these are interesting show record numbers of
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Speaker 2: Palestinians so filing asylum claims to stay in Australia. Since
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Speaker 2: January this year, some nine hundred and fifteen Palestinians of
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Speaker 2: file claims one hundred and sixty six of those in
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Speaker 2: August alone. This means around seventy percent to the thirteen
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Speaker 2: one hundred Garzands here on visitor visas are now it's
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Speaker 2: stought to say in Australia with turn out, work and
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Speaker 2: study all right after the break, Senior Union statesman Bill
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Speaker 2: Kelt blast Labor over its failures on the economy, plus
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Speaker 2: more on that explosive seventy minutes of audio out of
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Speaker 2: the MOI redeeming John Pizzuto defamation case. Welcome back toil
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Speaker 2: the come Chris Yelman on the absurd push by the
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Speaker 2: Teals to increase our emissions targets. We haven't got a
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Speaker 2: Buckley's chance of hitting the current ones, which shows just
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Speaker 2: how dangerous like that they might be in the event
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Speaker 2: of a hung Parliament. We'll also head back to the
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Speaker 2: US as more comes to light regarding the second assassination attempt.
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Speaker 3: On Donald Trump.
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Speaker 2: But first of the growing concerns amongst the business community
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Speaker 2: over the economic direction of the Albanezy government. And it's
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Speaker 2: not just business, even trade union Stalward. Bill Kelty's described
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Speaker 2: Labor as being mired in mediocrity.
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Speaker 3: Kelty wants to see more.
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Speaker 2: Done on tax reform, revised bank lending rules, and an
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Speaker 2: overall overhaul of Australia's approach to housing, energy and training,
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Speaker 2: among other crucial policy changes. While the Business Counsel wants
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Speaker 2: to see Labor pull back on its bullish ir agenda.
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Speaker 2: Of course, their big dinner is tonight in Sydney. More
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Speaker 2: on this, I'm joining now in the studio by Shadow
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Speaker 2: treasurer Angus Taylor.
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Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you what.
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Speaker 2: I'm really pleased that the bcas found its voice, will
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Speaker 2: get to them in a moment. But when you get
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Speaker 2: a criticism as public as this from someone like Bill Keilty,
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Speaker 2: you know, saying that you're mediocre, giving them a real blast,
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Speaker 2: that's telling.
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Speaker 3: It absolutely is.
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Speaker 12: And the reason is simple that Australian's standard of living
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Speaker 12: has collapsed under Labor. Their policy settings have been wrong
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Speaker 12: and it's time to get them right. Bill Kelly understands
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Speaker 12: what the back to basics sort of policies are that
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Speaker 12: are going to improve the situation, restore our standard of living, Peter,
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Speaker 12: and it's good to see people speaking like him speaking
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Speaker 12: out on the failures of this government.
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Speaker 2: I've been a bit critical of the BC, not not
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Speaker 2: just the BCA, but Business groups. More broadly, the quick
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Speaker 2: to go out there on something like the Voice, but
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Speaker 2: their core business is return value shareholders, you know, grow
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Speaker 2: their prosperity and hire their workers and pay them decently.
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Speaker 2: They are now finding their voice. They've come out, they've
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Speaker 2: been critical. This has got to be a welcome move.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 12: Absolutely, I'm a big believer in business sticking to the knitting.
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Speaker 12: An old saying, but an important one. There've been too
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Speaker 12: many inclined to go down the path of work capitalism
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Speaker 12: in recent years. And the good news is I think
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Speaker 12: we reached peak work capitalism during the Voice pair, and
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Speaker 12: we are seeing a switch back. We do want to
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Speaker 12: see business fighting for businesses interests, and that means freer markets,
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Speaker 12: making sure that we've got any industrial relations system that's
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Speaker 12: flexible and that delivers high real wages and good outcomes
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Speaker 12: for employers.
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Speaker 3: And I think we can do that.
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Speaker 12: But the business community has to get back to stick
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Speaker 12: to the knitting, and I'm going to continue to encourage
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Speaker 12: them to do exactly that.
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Speaker 2: And it's not just the BCA we saw obviously last
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Speaker 2: week the Middle's Council speaking pretty frankly, it's also got
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Speaker 2: to be the individual businesses too, surely, because you know,
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Speaker 2: back in Kelty's day, Hawk's day, in the eighties and nineties,
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Speaker 2: big business leaders, the chairman and the CEO, they were
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Speaker 2: out there arguing about prosperity, arguing about Australia's future, putting
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Speaker 2: governments of all persuasion under pressure on reform.
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Speaker 3: They have largely been absent.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, they set up back in the eighties and nineties
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Speaker 12: decades of prosperity for this country and we've been living
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Speaker 12: off it ever since. They were great leaders and we
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Speaker 12: need that kind of leadership back. We do need to
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Speaker 12: focus on those core issues, those basic issues, getting in
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Speaker 12: dust relations right and making sure our immigration policy is
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Speaker 12: in line with our housing policy. Of course, getting rid
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Speaker 12: of red tape Peter, and we've seen red tape clogging.
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Speaker 3: Up everything in business.
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Speaker 12: Every small business person is spending way more time now
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Speaker 12: than a few years ago doing paperwork, which drives them crazy. Rightly,
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Speaker 12: So these are the basics, and this is how you
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Speaker 12: get inflation down, this is how you get prosperity moving again.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to the housing announcement today, because there's yet
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Speaker 2: another announcement from the government today in Rosebury on housing.
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Speaker 2: We still do not have one house built under the
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Speaker 2: government's plans. We've had twenty four million dollars reported in
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Speaker 2: the papers being paid to external consultants at six million
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Speaker 2: in new executive salaries for all the people running the program.
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Speaker 2: A lot of promises, you know, all hat and no cowboy.
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Speaker 12: Well there's nothing there and nothing's been delivered. So put
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Speaker 12: this in perspective. We've seen population growth in two years
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Speaker 12: of one point four million in Australia. We haven't seen
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Speaker 12: a house from this program. And the best they're promising
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Speaker 12: is seven hundred houses in a year versus one point
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Speaker 12: four million people. It doesn't stack up. The government's got
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Speaker 12: its settings wrong on this. It's inflationary, it's driving up
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Speaker 12: the cost of living, the cost of housing. It's putting
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Speaker 12: the aspiration of home ownership out of reach of so
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Speaker 12: many younger Australians. This is central to the Australian dream,
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Speaker 12: It always has been, Peter, and we're losing it and
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Speaker 12: these policies are not the way to solve the problem.
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Speaker 2: The sector will also say, with state governments flooding the
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Speaker 2: economy with these big projects, Toy is a good example.
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Speaker 2: They're at war with the CFMAU obviously, but there isn't
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Speaker 2: the labor force. There isn't the skilled force to build
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Speaker 2: these homes. It's just builders will say it's just not doable.
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Speaker 2: And I'm not sure Australians understand that under these plans.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Olbot's basically going to own you spare room.
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Speaker 2: The Government's going to own half year backyard. Do people
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Speaker 2: understand that.
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Speaker 12: Well, I think people don't understand the vision of housing
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Speaker 12: that labor has, which is the houses are apartments, not houses.
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Speaker 12: They're built by the CFMAU and they're owned by the
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Speaker 12: super superannuation funds, particularly the industry superfunds, and they're least
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Speaker 12: to you. I mean, that's their Vision'ian vision. It's a
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Speaker 12: long way from the Mensian vision that I believe in,
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Speaker 12: and we have to get back to basics, get back
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Speaker 12: to that Mensian vision. Right at the heart of this
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Speaker 12: is the CFMU too, and of course they are driving
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Speaker 12: up the cost of building everything. They're driving down productivity,
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Speaker 12: which is adding to labor shortages. And the result is
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Speaker 12: that we're seeing many young Australians who are giving up hope.
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Speaker 12: I hear it every day. They're giving up paper onny
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Speaker 12: A home.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: I watch the polls pretty closely. I can read a poll.
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Speaker 2: I know you watch them closely. You'll tell me that
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Speaker 2: you don't all do You could well be the Treasurer
27:36
Speaker 2: in a matter of mums. I mean, what would you
27:39
Speaker 2: say to Australians about dealing with cost of leaving? How
27:41
Speaker 2: would you tell them that you get it and you've
27:43
Speaker 2: got some answers for people struggling.
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Speaker 12: Well, it is back to basics as all the things
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Speaker 12: that we know worked back in the seventies and eighties.
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Speaker 12: Last time we had a big bout of inflation. So
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Speaker 12: what does that mean in practice? Containing the growth in
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Speaker 12: government spending. That's why we've opposed ninety two billion dollars
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Speaker 12: of unnecessary and.
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Speaker 3: This is what the RBA has picked up on.
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Speaker 12: In there they have and rightly so it's not just
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Speaker 12: the federal government, it's also state government. It's the Victorian
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Speaker 12: government where we are now, I mean extraordinary what they're
28:11
Speaker 12: prepared to spend that adds to inflation. As I said,
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Speaker 12: making sure our immigration policy is in line with housing policy.
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Speaker 12: It's pretty obvious that if you if your population has
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Speaker 12: grown by one point four million and your housing stock
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Speaker 12: is growing at nothing like that rate, then the cost
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Speaker 12: of housing is going to go up, and.
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Speaker 2: You're not going to be pushed if you get into government,
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Speaker 2: you're not going to be pushed to keep growing migration.
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Speaker 12: No, we've already we've already said.
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Speaker 2: That we are going to be held to it.
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Speaker 12: Well, absolutely, I mean, this is this is important stuff.
28:42
Speaker 12: This is about getting the balance right. I mean, we
28:44
Speaker 12: are a great immigrant nation, but you've got to get
28:47
Speaker 12: the balance right. And the numbers are so far above
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Speaker 12: what they've ever been before it's completely unsustainable. Peter getting
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Speaker 12: rid of unnecessary red tape.
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Speaker 3: I mean, when you.
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Speaker 12: Are saying to the big banks that you've got to
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Speaker 12: start reporting on the emissions of every customer, including every farmer,
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Speaker 12: you know, the flatulence of cattle is going to be
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Speaker 12: reported by the banks. And no doubt the activists are
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Speaker 12: going to use this to try to force the banks
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Speaker 12: to restrict their financing exactly exactly. Debanking is well and
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Speaker 12: truly on the table. I mean, this is the kind
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Speaker 12: of red tape and green tape which is sludge for
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Speaker 12: the economy. It is the enemy of prosperity, and this
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Speaker 12: is what we've got to fight against. This is about
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Speaker 12: getting back to call liberal business, which is the things
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Speaker 12: we believe in are the right way to fight and
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Speaker 12: beat inflation.
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Speaker 2: Who would have thought you'd be a line like that
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Speaker 2: to be Bill Kelty. But that's where you are to
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Speaker 2: art this, Taylor, thank you all right. I want to
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Speaker 2: turn out to day two, the defamation case between former
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Speaker 2: Liberal MP or a dB. She's still a Liberal Party member,
29:48
Speaker 2: might add in Victoria, She's just not a member of
29:50
Speaker 2: the Liberal Party room in Spring Street against her former leader,
29:54
Speaker 2: Victorian Opposition leader John Perzuto.
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Speaker 3: Now, the bombshell today.
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Speaker 2: Was a seventy minute recording of a March meeting last
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Speaker 2: year between the Victoria and the leadership team and deeming
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Speaker 2: the immediate day after that infamous let Women Speak rally
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Speaker 2: skyne Is. Victorian reporter Simon Love was in the Federal
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Speaker 2: court again today, he joins me. Now, well, Simon, I
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Speaker 2: call it a bombshell. When I listened from pretty much
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Speaker 2: ten o'clock to have US four or whatever it was today,
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Speaker 2: I couldn't move. It was like a soap opera. It's
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Speaker 2: hard to call that recording anything but a bombshell, isn't it.
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Speaker 6: I couldn't move too.
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Speaker 1: I was sitting in the courtroom and watching it all
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Speaker 1: play out, seeing the reactions of John Bashudo and More
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Speaker 1: Redeeming as this recording was played out, Because you've got
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Speaker 1: to remember this was only obtained by lawyers last Monday,
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Speaker 1: and I think some of the instinctive parts with it
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Speaker 1: were particularly around how More Redeeming went into that meeting
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Speaker 1: with the Book Party leadership in March twenty twenty three
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Speaker 1: and the message from John Pascudo from the get go.
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Speaker 1: So John Pascudo said, quote, it was going to be
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Speaker 1: toxic for us. We're not able to get any kind
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Speaker 1: of messages up, will not be able to campaign. In
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Speaker 1: response More Redeeming, Peter was eager to condemn everything. Her barrister,
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Speaker 1: Sue Chris Anthew sc argued that Moira Redeeming was being
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Speaker 1: gas lip and it was part of a prolonged and
31:23
Speaker 1: shocking attack. Interesting also to hear in the audio, Georgie Krozer,
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Speaker 1: the coalition's Upper House leader in Victoria, talked to Moy Redeeming.
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Speaker 1: She said, quote on the blunt and beyond furious about it. Moira,
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Speaker 1: We're here to help you. You're just defying that. Georgie
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Speaker 1: Croze is heard saying. And also John Pashudo was talking
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Speaker 1: about the concerns he had about how the Andrews government
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Speaker 1: would use the situation back in March twenty twenty three,
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Speaker 1: after let women speak rarely, he said, they've been itching
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Speaker 1: for something to clover it with me, me with I
31:56
Speaker 1: can tell you how much I was waiting and looking
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Speaker 1: forward to planning what we have this week on red Lick.
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Speaker 1: Of course, Peter, as you would have heard when he
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Speaker 1: said the word redlick there, the strategy for the opposition
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Speaker 1: at the time was to go after the government over
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Speaker 1: Iback and red Lick, even no matter what decision they
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Speaker 1: would have come to in that party were and three
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Speaker 1: options that the court heard that John Bishudo was weighing up.
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Speaker 1: I dare say that strategy did go out the window,
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Speaker 1: as the court certainly heard today.
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Speaker 3: Well, it certainly went out the window.
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Speaker 2: And they made it worse by going after her and
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Speaker 2: coming out on that Monday accusing her of all sorts
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Speaker 2: of crimes against humanity and pushing for her expulsion. I mean,
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Speaker 2: they made it all about themselves that week. What I
32:40
Speaker 2: find extraordinary assignment, and I referenced this at the top
32:42
Speaker 2: of the show, is just because Daniel Andrews says a
32:45
Speaker 2: pro women's rally is characterized as an anti as an
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Speaker 2: anti trans rally. It doesn't mean you light out and compet.
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Speaker 2: What staggers me and Victoria is all of these liberal leaders,
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Speaker 2: you know, Michael O'Brien, Matthew Guy and then John Zudo.
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Speaker 3: They never contest the framing of Andrews.
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Speaker 2: They roll over and take it. They go here after
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Speaker 2: one of their own. They seek to boot her out
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Speaker 2: of the party within twenty four hours, and it was
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Speaker 2: four against one in that room. I mean, she says
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Speaker 2: from the outset in that seventy minute transcript that she
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Speaker 2: would put out whatever statement they wanted.
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Speaker 3: She condemned the.
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Speaker 2: Nia Nazis, she hated Nazism, she said, she certainly wasn't
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Speaker 2: anti trans. She condemned whatever they needed her to condemn.
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Speaker 2: But they go through this whole charade to take a
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Speaker 2: break and then come back and say, sorry, we've decided
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Speaker 2: you're out.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Look, I won't share your opinions, Peter, obviously as an
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Speaker 1: impartial news journalist covering right. Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, But I
33:50
Speaker 1: will say the last bit of what you said there
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Speaker 1: about the tone of the room, and I think you
33:54
Speaker 1: could hear it in the recording, just the tone of
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Speaker 1: the message. You could hear more redeeming in mind. Alis
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Speaker 1: is dealing with it quite calmly. John Purshudo trying to
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Speaker 1: deal with it calmly. The meeting does get agitated at
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Speaker 1: some point, and I'll leave you with this, Peter, the
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Speaker 1: audio of that reading. I mean, we can bring you
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Speaker 1: all the quotes in writing, and you would have heard
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Speaker 1: them today on the YouTube live stream. It'll be released
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Speaker 1: to media at some stage soon, so we can actually
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Speaker 1: broadcast and bring our viewers these voices. So it's not
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Speaker 1: just words that you see that people are saying. It's
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Speaker 1: just amazing that this recording. It's certainly causing ripples that
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Speaker 1: this was. It's been described as a clandestine or at
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Speaker 1: least a secret recording by David Southwick, who was in
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Speaker 1: the room.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I was not aware of its existence, but you
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Speaker 2: are right. We can't play the audio for people at home.
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Speaker 2: We will bring it to you when we can. That's
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Speaker 2: why we've had to quote and put up on screen
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Speaker 2: what we've picked up out of the hearings today. Thank
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Speaker 2: you very much, Simon. Back to it again tomorrow, all
34:54
Speaker 2: right after the break. More questions raised today about Daniel
34:57
Speaker 2: and Andrews and that car crash that left teen cyclist
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Speaker 2: fighting for his life, with a former senior Victorian police
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Speaker 2: officer claiming an overt cover up, plus the push to
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Speaker 2: get Astralia to join a global power alliance to accelerate
35:11
Speaker 2: the energy transition deals are behind this too.
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Speaker 3: After the break.
35:20
Speaker 2: Welcome back still the car will take a look at
35:21
Speaker 2: the continuing fallout from the second Trump assassination attempt and
35:25
Speaker 2: concerns that copycat attacks are likely to continue, plus the
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Speaker 2: pro Palestinian push said to erupt at the UN in
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Speaker 2: days but first. Victoria Police has been accused of engaging
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Speaker 2: in an overt cover up by an expert review into
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Speaker 2: the twenty thirteen car crash involving Daniel Andrews, his wife Catherine,
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Speaker 2: and a teen cyclist, Ryan Muellman. Former VIC Police Assistant
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Speaker 2: Commissioner for Traffic and Operations, doctor Ray Shuey found that
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Speaker 2: on I quote the version is provided by Katherine Daniel
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Speaker 2: Andrews is considered improbable and implausible. Mister and missus Andrews
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Speaker 2: have claimed their vehicle came to a stop before the
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Speaker 2: cyclist ran into it. The review states that I quote again,
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Speaker 2: it was most probable that the vehicle undertook a sweep
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Speaker 2: turn at speed, cutting the corner and still on the
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Speaker 2: incorrect side of the roadway when the collision occurred. The
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Speaker 2: review found a striking deception started when Missus Andrews's maiden name,
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Speaker 2: Catherine Louise Kessick, was recorded in the police traffic incidence system.
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Speaker 2: It is, in my opinion, says Showy, this deception is
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Speaker 2: part of a course of conduct and a component of
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Speaker 2: an overt cover up to avoid implicating a political figure
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Speaker 2: in a life threatening crash. To discuss these bombshell revelations
36:44
Speaker 2: in Australian's Legal Affairs contributor Chris Merit, well, we already
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Speaker 2: know there are a lot of anomalies Chris, in this
36:51
Speaker 2: case against a normal cress crash investigation. The Andrews car
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Speaker 2: was not impounded. Police let him drive away. The former
36:59
Speaker 2: premium let him drive away a car from a scene
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Speaker 2: of the crash. It was very damaged, obviously the windscreen
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Speaker 2: was Neither Andrews or his wife were breath tested at
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Speaker 2: the crash site, and we know it was weeks and
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Speaker 2: weeks before they were officially interviewed by police. But what's
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Speaker 2: in this report today released by lawyers in the case
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Speaker 2: from Ray Shuey well, these are really serious allegations or
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Speaker 2: accusations against Victoria Police.
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Speaker 3: Aren't they They're very serious.
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Speaker 13: Top of the list, in my view, would be the
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Speaker 13: accusation that Victoria Police actually falsified a document. This document
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Speaker 13: falsely said that missus Andrews had been breath tested and
37:44
Speaker 13: the breath test came back negative. This was subsequently changed
37:48
Speaker 13: so to say that she had not been tested because
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Speaker 13: she did not smell of alcohol. Falsifying a document by
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Speaker 13: a policeman is a very very serious Well, it's a shortcoming,
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Speaker 13: let's put it that way. But it's more than this.
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Speaker 13: The fact that there seems so many inconsistencies. It's hard
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Speaker 13: to believe that this is just accidental. We've got things
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Speaker 13: like the failure to provide the police accident report to
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Speaker 13: lawyers representing the cyclist who was knocked down, not just
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Speaker 13: the failure to use missus Andrew's married name, but her
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Speaker 13: maiden name. I mean, it's consistent with a cover up.
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Speaker 13: I can't see how this can possibly be allowed to
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Speaker 13: lie without further investigation.
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Speaker 2: Well, just on that we know it's part now involved
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Speaker 2: in civil cases, is what we know about the report.
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Speaker 2: But are we likely to see something happened at the
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Speaker 2: police investigation, and I mean they're going to reopen this case,
39:01
Speaker 2: go through their fath look at these allegations of what
39:04
Speaker 2: amounts to corruption.
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Speaker 13: Look, I don't think the police will The government's already
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Speaker 13: says it won't, but I don't think it's up to
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Speaker 13: the government.
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Speaker 3: You've got to.
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Speaker 13: Remember the ieback in Victoria, the Anti Corruption Commission how
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Speaker 13: to look at this accident and the police conducts back
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Speaker 13: in twenty seventeen, and they said there was no shortcomings
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Speaker 13: in the conduct of police. Now this is new material
39:29
Speaker 13: that this Shoey Report or Shoey Review has brought to light,
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Speaker 13: and it seems inevitable that IBACK now has the onus
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Speaker 13: of looking at this new material and considering whether it
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Speaker 13: was actually covered by their six week inquiry back in
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Speaker 13: two thousand and seventeen. If it's not covered, if it
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Speaker 13: hasn't been assessed by IBACK, I would say there's a
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Speaker 13: very strong responsibility on the Commission to take into account
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Speaker 13: this material. Now. I don't think it will happen straight away.
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Speaker 13: I expect that the Commission would probably defer to the
40:09
Speaker 13: court proceedings and see what the Victorian Supreme Court has
40:13
Speaker 13: got to say about this, and after these proceedings are concluded,
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Speaker 13: I think it's inevitable that the Anti Corruption Commission of
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Speaker 13: Victoria must go back and at the very least look
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Speaker 13: at what new material there is and whether that would
40:31
Speaker 13: change the conclusions they reached in twenty seventeen.
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Speaker 2: Murky old Victoria yet again, thank you Chris Justin two
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Speaker 2: Daniel Andrews and his wife Catherine, they have issued a
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Speaker 2: rare joint statement on this matter, saying, can I quote
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Speaker 2: this so called report was commissioned by lawyers on behalf
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Speaker 2: of their clients who are seeking money through the courts
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Speaker 2: by suing their former lawyers. We are not a party
40:56
Speaker 2: to this legal action. We did nothing wrong. Now, I've
41:00
Speaker 2: discussed the mess before, haven't we. We're all in because
41:03
Speaker 2: of Labour's economic policies or lack thereof. But what's just
41:07
Speaker 2: as damaging is their emissions obsession. What's made it all
41:11
Speaker 2: worse is the chance of to hung Parliament now being
41:13
Speaker 2: very much in play. We could have the Teals as kingmakers,
41:17
Speaker 2: not just the Greens. And the Tals want to take
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Speaker 2: things even further, intet a twenty thirty five target of
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Speaker 2: seventy five percent j wanted me about to discuss this
41:26
Speaker 2: and more. Sky Andes contributor Chris Yillman. Well, I'll tell
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Speaker 2: you what you know. It could be laboring the Greens
41:31
Speaker 2: and a hung Parliament. It could be labor with the Teals,
41:34
Speaker 2: or in the worst possible world's Chris, it could be
41:36
Speaker 2: a combination of all three. So tell us why the
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Speaker 2: Teals deserve greater scrutiny over there climate demands.
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Speaker 11: Because they're all care and no responsibility, Peter, because they
41:49
Speaker 11: don't actually have to make work in the real world
41:51
Speaker 11: the things they try in green wish in front of
41:53
Speaker 11: press conferences. Let's just take one example of what they're
41:57
Speaker 11: doing to force up prices for poor people who don't
42:00
Speaker 11: mostly live in the electrics in which they are candidates,
42:04
Speaker 11: and that is on the Australian Energy Market Operator's plan
42:07
Speaker 11: for eighty two percent renewables by twenty thirty. Now, in
42:11
Speaker 11: order to do that, we need fifteen gigawatts of gas.
42:15
Speaker 11: The system will not function Peter without that gas there,
42:18
Speaker 11: because it has to be the backbone of reliability. Now,
42:22
Speaker 11: the Greens and the Tills both oppose new gas developments.
42:25
Speaker 11: That means the price of gas will be high. Gas
42:27
Speaker 11: in peak hours sets the wholesale price that drives the
42:30
Speaker 11: price of electricity higher. So while they hold those positions,
42:34
Speaker 11: they're forcing up the price the costs to consumers by
42:38
Speaker 11: holding these basically contradictory positions. Another thing too, how much
42:42
Speaker 11: primary energy consumption do you think is fossil fuel in Australia.
42:45
Speaker 11: Is it sixty percent? Is it seventy percent? Now it's
42:48
Speaker 11: ninety one percent of all of our consumption. The things
42:51
Speaker 11: that we need to drive our society, like the oil
42:54
Speaker 11: that we use, all the things that we have around
42:56
Speaker 11: us that have fossil fuel embedded in its industrial production.
43:00
Speaker 11: The idea that you are going to cut that as
43:02
Speaker 11: rapidly as they think is actually preposterous, But it doesn't
43:06
Speaker 11: seem to matter. These numbers actually never get laughed out
43:09
Speaker 11: of court.
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Speaker 3: I want to ask you about another story.
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Speaker 2: I think it's very significant, it's complex, it's not getting
43:19
Speaker 2: the airtime.
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Speaker 3: It should have.
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Speaker 2: But we've got a hold of farmers and grazes in particular,
43:25
Speaker 2: very concerned about perhaps changes to the definition of deforestation.
43:31
Speaker 2: What we have in Australia aligns with our laws at
43:34
Speaker 2: a state and federal level, but we're in the middle
43:36
Speaker 2: of negotiating or attempting to negotiate an EU FDA free
43:41
Speaker 2: trade deal, and that pushes on from the European Union
43:46
Speaker 2: for Australia to take their definition of deforestation. Now we
43:51
Speaker 2: cannot have the EU dictating, surely, Chris to our farmers.
43:59
Speaker 11: No, we can't. What we should look at is the
44:01
Speaker 11: fact that Queensland farmers in particular do have a lot
44:03
Speaker 11: of environmental laws. Now you might make the argument that
44:05
Speaker 11: they should be a bit stiffer, but I'll tell you
44:07
Speaker 11: something that's not happening, and that's when it comes to
44:09
Speaker 11: wind farms in Queensland. I've been to northern Queensland to
44:12
Speaker 11: the athen and tablelands with a real environmentalist, Stephen Nawlkowski,
44:17
Speaker 11: and seeing where they've blasted off the top of mountains
44:19
Speaker 11: along the Great Dividing Range to put in wind turbines.
44:22
Speaker 11: And there's another thing perhaps that you should focus on.
44:24
Speaker 11: Do you know that one of the key ingredients in
44:26
Speaker 11: those wind turbine blaines is balsa wood? So each of
44:29
Speaker 11: those eighty one meter long rotors, and there are three
44:32
Speaker 11: of them, needs forty balsa wood trees. So the forests
44:35
Speaker 11: of Ecuador, which provides ninety percent of the world's bolcal
44:39
Speaker 11: wood are being cleared for the wind farms of Europe
44:42
Speaker 11: and China. I think that's something that probably deserves a
44:45
Speaker 11: little bit more scrutiny.
44:48
Speaker 2: To be part of the reason why the government now
44:50
Speaker 2: is so behind in the polls, I mean consistently behind.
44:52
Speaker 2: It's absolutely on trend to lose its majority, is that
44:57
Speaker 2: people have finally woken up to to the complexity of
45:02
Speaker 2: the renewables decision, that they're not just taking a box
45:04
Speaker 2: to say I care about the planet, that it has
45:06
Speaker 2: real life consequences for them at home and at work.
45:12
Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 11: I think if people begin to actually fully understand about
45:15
Speaker 11: the kind of electricity system, for example, that we intend
45:18
Speaker 11: to set out to build eighty two percent renewables, now
45:22
Speaker 11: think about that, Peter. By their nature, this is a
45:25
Speaker 11: system where the backbone of generation will be off more
45:29
Speaker 11: often than it is on. The best return you're going
45:32
Speaker 11: to get on a wind farmer is forty percent of
45:34
Speaker 11: whatever's on the name plate, say one hundred megg of Watson,
45:36
Speaker 11: and you can say it's forty sola. Well, the sun
45:39
Speaker 11: goes down every night, it's thirty percent. You cannot fill
45:42
Speaker 11: the gaps that it leaves with things like batteries, and
45:44
Speaker 11: if you did, even that is desperately expensive power. It
45:48
Speaker 11: can only be filled by gas. Everywhere I've been around
45:51
Speaker 11: the world, the way that these systems run are backed
45:54
Speaker 11: up by gas. And not just by the way. For
45:56
Speaker 11: the eighty two percent, one hundred percent of what you
45:59
Speaker 11: put in renewable energy must be backed up by something
46:03
Speaker 11: that's firm, and that's something that's firm. Whatever it will
46:05
Speaker 11: be will be costly. Then you have the transmission cost,
46:08
Speaker 11: then you have the distribution costs. I don't think people
46:11
Speaker 11: have the foggiest idea about the kinds of costs which
46:15
Speaker 11: we are going to bake into the system, which will
46:17
Speaker 11: be baked into your bills. And if they ever do
46:19
Speaker 11: get that idea, they are not going to back this system.
46:24
Speaker 2: That's why the left like to keep it complex. It's
46:27
Speaker 2: like they don't want to get into the detail.
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Speaker 3: Chris.
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Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to your documentary. I know that's coming soon.
46:32
Speaker 2: Chris Yrman, thank you.
46:34
Speaker 3: All right.
46:34
Speaker 2: The break the Trump second assassination attempt, the risk of
46:38
Speaker 2: copy cat attacks, and they propalacedote set to go to
46:42
Speaker 2: the floor.
46:43
Speaker 3: Of the UN within days. Welcome back.
46:50
Speaker 2: Here's my international panel Skyni's contributed Koshergada, Past chair of
46:54
Speaker 2: the Parliament's Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, Michael Danby, We'll
46:57
Speaker 2: start with that second assassination attempt.
47:00
Speaker 3: What was interesting today.
47:02
Speaker 2: We know there's a congressional inquiry going on, but Ron
47:05
Speaker 2: de Santis, the Republican governor of Florida, where this attack occurred,
47:10
Speaker 2: attempted attack, has had this to say.
47:13
Speaker 14: He listen, I looked at the federal government, with all
47:16
Speaker 14: due respect to them, you know, those same agencies that
47:19
Speaker 14: are prosecuting Trump and that jurisdiction are now going to
47:22
Speaker 14: be investigating this. I just think that that may not
47:25
Speaker 14: be the best thing for this country. Nevertheless, they have
47:29
Speaker 14: their progative, but we have our progative.
47:33
Speaker 2: I know we always say it's historic, it's unprecedented, but
47:35
Speaker 2: I don't think we've ever been in a situation where
47:36
Speaker 2: aready wakes out now from a presidential vote and tensions
47:42
Speaker 2: are as high as they are now.
47:44
Speaker 15: Never so. The last assassination attempt before these two was
47:48
Speaker 15: Ronald Reagan forty years ago. We've gone forty years without
47:51
Speaker 15: ever having this, and having two in the span of
47:52
Speaker 15: five weeks is unprecedented. I think what he's saying there
47:56
Speaker 15: there's a couple of things. So one is the trust
47:58
Speaker 15: in all these institutions. Sadly, the secrets are his capability
48:01
Speaker 15: the FBI, it's all eroded. Secondly is the conflict of
48:04
Speaker 15: interest point. So it's the same FBI that rated Mari
48:07
Speaker 15: a Lago that's investigating Trump. And while it's different people
48:10
Speaker 15: and they can be professional, there is this air of
48:12
Speaker 15: a conflict of interest. So this is sort of the
48:14
Speaker 15: beauty of the federated system in the US. This attacker
48:18
Speaker 15: was in the state of Florida, unlike the last one,
48:20
Speaker 15: which is in Pennsylvania. This is Republican governor, and I
48:23
Speaker 15: think it makes sense and it might sort of push
48:25
Speaker 15: or create a different jurisdiction in parallel with the other one.
48:29
Speaker 15: So it might push things along better because people are
48:31
Speaker 15: not satisfied with the pace and the results that we're
48:34
Speaker 15: seeing so far in both investigations from both assassinations.
48:37
Speaker 10: Sacred Service flunked the first assassination attempt. They fluked this
48:43
Speaker 10: one that they shot at the guy because they had
48:45
Speaker 10: a guy in a golf cut one hale ahead. But
48:50
Speaker 10: surely they have to increase the level of his protection
48:53
Speaker 10: now so that say a perimeter of a golf course
48:55
Speaker 10: like that would be covered. So that's presidential level coverage.
48:59
Speaker 10: It's good that Biden rang.
49:01
Speaker 3: Him if he took the call.
49:03
Speaker 10: I mean sometimes I'm amazed by the way, in the
49:06
Speaker 10: context of that that Kamala Hallison never met him before
49:09
Speaker 10: the debate. And for Australians this all sounds incredible, And
49:15
Speaker 10: just pray, as allies of America that this kind of
49:18
Speaker 10: violent rhetoric about him being an American hitler and all
49:21
Speaker 10: this kind of stuff ceases, particularly if he gets elected.
49:24
Speaker 10: I mean, Americans will be so divided if this kind
49:27
Speaker 10: of rhetoric just continues.
49:30
Speaker 2: Just just on that our Prime Minister Ovis is over
49:32
Speaker 2: there for quiet. He says, it's a flying visit. I
49:36
Speaker 2: presume he's got no issues with Kamala Harris if she
49:39
Speaker 2: was to emerge as the victor. But surely, given Rudd's
49:42
Speaker 2: history with Trump, Albanezey would be smart to reach out
49:46
Speaker 2: to Donald Trump, well.
49:48
Speaker 10: To at least to some of his advisers. I don't
49:50
Speaker 10: think Trump would have time to see him, but maybe
49:52
Speaker 10: you could meet Jadie Vansell. Maybe if Rud's got connections
49:56
Speaker 10: with some of the American writers he claims to have
49:58
Speaker 10: he can have a sit down, which is film for them.
50:01
Speaker 10: I think all of that would be good for Australia's interests,
50:03
Speaker 10: even if I don't think Rudd will last after the election.
50:06
Speaker 10: If Trump is.
50:06
Speaker 2: Elected, the world's never been scarier. I've certainly known in
50:11
Speaker 2: my lifetime. You'd have to go back to the custom
50:13
Speaker 2: of the Second World War, I think kosher.
50:15
Speaker 3: And then we've got this renew push.
50:18
Speaker 2: At the United Nations for a pro Palestinian state. We've
50:20
Speaker 2: got the conflict in Ukraine. We've got the twing and
50:25
Speaker 2: froying with NATO to be able to use weapons to
50:27
Speaker 2: strike right into Russia. We've obviously got the threat of
50:30
Speaker 2: China too. I mean, this is an extraordinary time to
50:36
Speaker 2: be changing the leader with the free world.
50:38
Speaker 3: It really is.
50:39
Speaker 15: And as you've said, the world is on fire. And
50:41
Speaker 15: also the positions of policy, positions of the two candidates
50:44
Speaker 15: are in really high contrast on all of those issues.
50:47
Speaker 15: So the direction of the world is going to look
50:48
Speaker 15: very very different if Kamla Harris gets in versus Trump.
50:52
Speaker 15: So it's probably one of the most consequential elections in
50:55
Speaker 15: that sense that I've seen in my lifetime. And then
50:57
Speaker 15: you add to that these assassination attempts on top of it,
51:00
Speaker 15: everything else that they've tried. It is election interference, whether
51:04
Speaker 15: it's to the extent that it's coordinated, and there's all
51:06
Speaker 15: sorts of conspiracies coming out. Are just a random accident
51:09
Speaker 15: of things that are happening.
51:10
Speaker 2: Just quickly before we go, Labour going to go soft
51:13
Speaker 2: on the UN Palestina.
51:14
Speaker 10: Right, Well, imagine your Australia was being attacked from seven
51:18
Speaker 10: sides and Britain then started talking about the fate of
51:24
Speaker 10: Aborigines in Australia. Now, the fate of indigenous people in Australia
51:28
Speaker 10: is important, but fancy focusing on the minor issues. There's
51:32
Speaker 10: not only the Palestinian issue. An Iranian missile nearly hit
51:35
Speaker 10: Bengurian Airport yesterday from the hooties in Yemen. The world
51:39
Speaker 10: is on fire, as you said, and our American friends
51:42
Speaker 10: are doing so little, and Elbas and the socialist left
51:46
Speaker 10: probably have a conflict of disloyalties to go.
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