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The Week That Was Friday February 25 2022 · 360 with Katie Woolf

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Speaker 1: But of course it is Friday morning. It is time
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Speaker 1: for the week that was. And in the studio with
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Speaker 1: us this morning the CLPS Marie Claire Boothby, Good morning
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Speaker 1: to you, Mary Claire.
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Speaker 2: Good morning, Katie, and good morning to all the listeners.
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Speaker 1: Eva Laula from the ALP, A Minister for Planning, Infrastructure
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Speaker 1: and Logistics.
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Speaker 3: Good morning to you.
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Speaker 2: Good morning.
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Speaker 3: We've got Keesi E.
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Speaker 1: Peric, the Independent member for Goid and good morning to
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Speaker 1: you Keizer.
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Speaker 4: Morning, Katie, Morning wet Bush people.
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Speaker 1: And to be good morning to Thomas Morgan, who is
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Speaker 1: indeed the Northern Territory News political reporter.
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Speaker 3: Good morning to you, Tom.
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Speaker 5: Morning Katy.
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Speaker 3: Wonderful to have you all in the studio.
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Speaker 1: Now, I tell you what a week can be a
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Speaker 1: long time in politics, but twenty four hours can be
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Speaker 1: an awfully long time in news. And there's been a
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Speaker 1: lot happened since we got off here yesterday at midday.
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Speaker 1: We've obviously got that cyclo and brewing which we're keeping
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Speaker 1: a close eye on. And as the whole world is
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Speaker 1: talking about, Russia launched a wide ranging attack on Ukraine,
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Speaker 1: hitting cities and bases with persistent, prolonged air strikes and
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Speaker 1: shelling as civilians piled into trains and cars in an
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Speaker 1: effort to flee. Now, obviously the week that was we
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Speaker 1: do very much focus on the issues around the northern territory.
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Speaker 1: But I think that everybody around the world is watching
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Speaker 1: what's going on in Ukraine right now.
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Speaker 5: Oh it's really sad. And I think I'm twenty five,
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Speaker 5: I'm a young person. I guess you could say it's
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Speaker 5: just so incredibly distressing that this sort of thing still happens,
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Speaker 5: and it just means everyone's future right across the world,
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Speaker 5: YEP is so much more uncertain because of this. It
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Speaker 5: has a huge impact not only in Ukraine and in Europe,
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Speaker 5: but you're talking about oil prices, You're talking about food
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Speaker 5: prices as well. It's just an incredibly dark, sad situation
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Speaker 5: that we find ourselves in.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, intently is.
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Speaker 6: I agree with Thomas absolutely. It's just it's frightening for
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Speaker 6: the individual families. I think that we can talk about
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Speaker 6: cuton name, how I'm crazy he is, but it gets
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Speaker 6: down to those individual families that are trying to flee,
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Speaker 6: and I think all of us can relate to that
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Speaker 6: if we're in that situation as particularly if you had
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Speaker 6: young children trying to protect from what's going to be obviously,
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Speaker 6: I would say, probably quite a long drawn out conflict.
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Speaker 6: But yeah, my heart goes out to the people on
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Speaker 6: the ground, it really does.
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Speaker 4: The interesting thing is they're coming into their summer months
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Speaker 4: over there, whereas previously when Russia's done very badly and
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Speaker 4: poorly have been during the winter months during World War
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Speaker 4: Two and all those campaigns. But it's coming into the
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Speaker 4: summertime up there, so it's not quite as cold, and
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Speaker 4: the troops from whichever side are probably going to be
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Speaker 4: able to survive much more because a lot of people
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Speaker 4: perish just because of the sheer sheer weather conditions. But
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Speaker 4: there's more clearly, there's obviously a lot more to this
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Speaker 4: strategy wise from Russia. But as Thomas said, and like
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Speaker 4: my mother and your mother are still alive and they
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Speaker 4: went through World War Yeah, lots of people have gone
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Speaker 4: through other wars since then, you know, Korean, Vietnam, etc.
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Speaker 4: But war is a devastating activity, and like Thomas said,
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Speaker 4: it impacts across the across the world because everyone's got
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Speaker 4: to take sides. They don't have to, but generally they
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Speaker 4: do against someone that's clearly a megalomania, and he's going
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Speaker 4: to cause great harm not only to his own people
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Speaker 4: as in the Russians in Russia, but Ukrainians and anyone
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Speaker 4: else that probably gets in his path on And I
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Speaker 4: don't think this is just Ukraine. I think he's got
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Speaker 4: his gritty little eyes on other parts of the Russian areas.
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Speaker 1: The thing that I found quite interesting to sort of
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Speaker 1: see in the news this morning as well, is that
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Speaker 1: there's plenty of well they're saying thousands of Russians that
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Speaker 1: are on the streets protesting against what has happened. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: they're not happy either. And I think that it's just
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Speaker 1: that real uncertainty in the world right now.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think all the territories and across Australia
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Speaker 2: and the world will all be hoping that this situation
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Speaker 2: is resolved really quickly, because we're already seeing a lot
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Speaker 2: of suffering and it's going to continue until it does.
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Speaker 7: Well.
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Speaker 5: Reflect on as the wider implication of if Putin gets
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Speaker 5: away with continuing this crusade, what it may have in
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Speaker 5: terms of the impact it could have on our region
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Speaker 5: as well, with the rise of you know, some certain
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Speaker 5: superpowersurage and they'll be looking at this and thinking, well,
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Speaker 5: if Putin can get away with it in Europe, what
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Speaker 5: can we do here. You look at Taiwan, you look
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Speaker 5: at what's already happened in Hong Kong, and you just think, well,
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Speaker 5: somewhere along the line, we have to draw a line
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Speaker 5: in the sand.
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Speaker 1: And we are going to be speaking to a senior
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Speaker 1: analyst on defense strategy and capability, doctor Malcolm Davis, over
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Speaker 1: the phone a little bit later this morning, so that
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Speaker 1: will certainly be a discussion well worth having. But look,
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Speaker 1: we know that there has been a lot happening around
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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory over the last week or so, and
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Speaker 1: we've spoken a lot in recent days and indeed weeks
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Speaker 1: about the need for the check in app and also
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Speaker 1: well masks, and it does seem as though there may
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Speaker 1: be some news in sight in the very near future
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Speaker 1: around those masks. Take a listen to what the Chief Minister,
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Speaker 1: Michael Gunner had to say on the ABC a little
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Speaker 1: bit earlier in the week.
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Speaker 7: We are actively discussing basically moving on from the indoor
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Speaker 7: mass mandate. So that's an active conversation. I can't give
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Speaker 7: you a date yet'd be sooner rather than later, I
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Speaker 7: would think around the mask mandate because we are seeing
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Speaker 7: a declining case number and declining pressure on our hospital system.
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Speaker 7: So I think indoor masks are close. I think with
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Speaker 7: the check in app, we're more likely to see a
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Speaker 7: two step approach, which is the checking app will reduce
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Speaker 7: to the backs pass locations before you then move on.
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Speaker 1: So that was the Chief Minison Michael Gunner a little
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Speaker 1: bit earlier in the week.
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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what.
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Speaker 1: I'm just about ready to rip my mask off. I
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Speaker 1: don't know how you guys are feeling.
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Speaker 4: I think I heard it there was a shop that's
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Speaker 4: set up somewhere that's selling masks and hand washes and everything,
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Speaker 4: and I thought, good on them. I mean, even when
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Speaker 4: the mask mandate goes, I think there'll still be a
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Speaker 4: lot of people that will absolutely and I'll probably be
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Speaker 4: one of those. If I go to scary places like
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Speaker 4: casual in the shopping center, I'd probably.
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Speaker 1: Not to identify only one shopping center, but any shopping
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Speaker 1: center really.
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Speaker 4: Coolingco Central is a really good shopping center.
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Speaker 3: Wants the rural ones. Yeah.
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Speaker 4: To play the case in the shopping center, I had
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Speaker 4: to have go cater to pick up my comics mate.
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Speaker 4: But I think there'll be people who will choose to
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Speaker 4: wear their martin and good for them, you know, because
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Speaker 4: I think it can only contribute to better health outcomes. Well,
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Speaker 4: and look, you're not getting as many perhaps calls.
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Speaker 1: And and other things, and I think that's fair enough.
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Speaker 1: That's someone's personal choice. I guess the thing is at
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Speaker 1: this point in time is the mask mandate and also
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Speaker 1: the check in mandate for a lot of our businesses,
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Speaker 1: it's having an impact. And when we spoke to Hospitality
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Speaker 1: over recent recent days and also in the last couple
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Speaker 1: of weeks, they've really spoken about the impact that it's
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Speaker 1: having on them. And and you know people may be
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Speaker 1: you know, not really wanting to go inside and sit
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Speaker 1: down and be wearing those masks.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean we can all understand, I'm beyond that
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Speaker 6: age of socializing to attract other members of the opposite.
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Speaker 4: Sex comes never today.
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Speaker 6: But you know, it is hard obviously with the mask
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Speaker 6: on to smile and show someone that you're actually smiling.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, spark the eyes of yours.
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Speaker 4: But I agree with Giz.
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Speaker 6: I think there is a group of people and I
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Speaker 6: mean we obviously get approached by people in the street
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Speaker 6: and people have conversations there are a group of people
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Speaker 6: who have you know, asthma or other health conditions who
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Speaker 6: have said that they will continue wearing a mask. And
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Speaker 6: I think if I fly, and I haven't been on
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Speaker 6: a plane for a long time, but I think if
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Speaker 6: I was flying, I would continue to wear a mask
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Speaker 6: as well, because you just feel that, you know, the
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Speaker 6: air recycling through, and even though they tell us that
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Speaker 6: planes have the best filtration and all of those things,
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Speaker 6: you do also think in those screens.
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Speaker 3: I also think in hospitals.
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Speaker 1: You know, if I was to enter the hospital, I
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Speaker 1: would definitely keep my mask on, not because I'm worried
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Speaker 1: about what I may contract, but because I would hate
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Speaker 1: to spread something to somebody who's vulnerable. So I think
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Speaker 1: that that's incredibly important. But I do feel as though,
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Speaker 1: you know, things like the check in app and also
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Speaker 1: the mask mandate we know in other states this afternoon,
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Speaker 1: I believe is it New South Wales and Victoria tom yep.
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Speaker 5: And I think Queensland's getting rid of their mandate next
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Speaker 5: week as well. It is all about personal responsibility, so
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Speaker 5: you know, everyone's free to wear a mask when they
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Speaker 5: think it's necessary. I just, you know, listening to that
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Speaker 5: clip of Gunner talking, just have to wonder why he
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Speaker 5: didn't provide a solid date while there's a lot of
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Speaker 5: mystery around it, and you have to think, you know,
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Speaker 5: last week we had the government announced some really significant
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Speaker 5: changes to its sporter policies via press release on a
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Speaker 5: Friday evening, which I tend to think isn't a very
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Speaker 5: good approach to.
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Speaker 1: It's the time of the day usually when you release
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Speaker 1: something that people maybe aren't going to be overly happy with,
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Speaker 1: and that's been the sentiment, you know that we've heard
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Speaker 1: throughout this week, people going, well, hang on a sec,
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Speaker 1: how come you're still allowed to travel into the Northern Territory,
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Speaker 1: or how come you're allowed to travel into the Northern
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Speaker 1: Territory now unvaccinated? Yet there are still these other rules
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Speaker 1: and regulations in place for us as locals.
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Speaker 5: And Gunner was so adamant and so sort of yeah,
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Speaker 5: I guess adamant would be the word about, we are
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Speaker 5: going to stop people coming into the territory if they're
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Speaker 5: not vaccinated, and then to remove the mandate or this
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Speaker 5: this requirement at six pm on a Friday night is
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Speaker 5: just a bit a.
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Speaker 6: Couple of comments though around that. So, first of all,
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Speaker 6: your chances of getting omnikron in the territory are very high,
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Speaker 6: So you know, it was all very well saying, you know,
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Speaker 6: when we didn't have COVID in our community, obviously you're
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Speaker 6: trying to keep it out. So now you know you
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Speaker 6: can probably get COVID here just as easy as you
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Speaker 6: can in Melbourne or wherever else. So that was the
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Speaker 6: reason around the border lifting. And I think, really, I
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Speaker 6: know the timing was that late on the Friday, but
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Speaker 6: I think Sempssey met at lunchtime and so by the
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Speaker 6: time Sempsey meets and then the chow gets to do
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Speaker 6: their work and their staff do that, it was that
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Speaker 6: that timing was late.
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Speaker 5: But yes, surely Puly the Chief Minister, could have front
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Speaker 5: had a press conference, you think, I answer some questions.
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Speaker 3: It would think so. But it's one of those things
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Speaker 3: as well.
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Speaker 1: Where at the moment Locke, I understand that obviously those
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Speaker 1: Sempsey meetings happened early each and every day, is my understanding.
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Speaker 1: Yet there are some days where you know where you're
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Speaker 1: getting those updates and around COVID very late in the afternoon.
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Speaker 1: And so I'm not too sure why we do differ
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Speaker 1: so much from other states and territories and look, I
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Speaker 1: know people will have their opinions about whether they think
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Speaker 1: we should open up to those who are unvaccinated and
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Speaker 1: whether we should. You know, I don't have a huge
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Speaker 1: issue with people coming across the border who are unvaccinated.
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Speaker 3: It's their choice. But I do think that you you know,
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Speaker 3: you just get out there in front of.
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Speaker 4: The question is back to Cadie.
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Speaker 2: It comes back to the fact that we haven't seen
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Speaker 2: a clear plan from the Ganalaba government for a long
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Speaker 2: time now with the COVID pandemic and the fact that
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Speaker 2: we're only just in discussions now about the mass mandates
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Speaker 2: and there's still no clarity. I mean, I'm sure we
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Speaker 2: all support a safe return to normal, but we just
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Speaker 2: don't have that clear plan at this time.
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Speaker 3: Zet the date you reckon, Yeah.
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Speaker 1: The day.
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Speaker 6: But let's face it, I mean, this isn't a perfect
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Speaker 6: trajectory to We've seen the numbers decline, but there's that
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Speaker 6: decline is bumpy. I mean we saw that yesterday there
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Speaker 6: were additional deaths, and so if it was a linear
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Speaker 6: and you could say, yes, we're going to go from
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Speaker 6: one thousand to nine hundred to eight hundred to seven
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Speaker 6: hundred and progress down. Absolutely they'd be fine, but you
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Speaker 6: can't do that. There could be and I mean we're
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Speaker 6: seeing that schools are back open. All you need to
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Speaker 6: see is one classroom where you end up with twenty kids,
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Speaker 6: in the next classroom with twenty and the numbers Spiker gains.
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Speaker 6: But like because you know, there are schools that seem
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Speaker 6: to have had a lot, but there are other schools
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Speaker 6: that haven't had as many cases who.
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Speaker 4: Will start to many.
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Speaker 3: In the r there's a few, so.
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Speaker 6: They will start to flow through. So I mean that's
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Speaker 6: why the Chief Minister hasn't been able to say this
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Speaker 6: date this time because it is still volatile and you
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Speaker 6: know the numbers in ICU go up. That's of concern.
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Speaker 6: So I'm around the mask mandate. I'm sure you know
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Speaker 6: the chow the people who meet regularly about that will
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Speaker 6: be looking at that one very carefully. But it isn't
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Speaker 6: a clear absolutely we can do this on this day.
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Speaker 6: We need to keep a look on those numbers.
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Speaker 5: So can there be a bit more notice than you
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Speaker 5: know four hours ahead in a press release via an
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Speaker 5: email that lands in everyone's inbox.
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Speaker 6: Oh well, as I said, I mean, I'm sure a
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Speaker 6: positive announcement like the masks would be one that would
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Speaker 6: be out. There would be discussing the two ministers doing
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Speaker 6: media this morning. I think about international education.
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Speaker 1: So you reckon he could announce it there.
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Speaker 6: But I'm just saying there are between pretty much every day.
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Speaker 6: I'm just trying to clarify Thomas's question or issues. Pretty
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Speaker 6: much every day there is a minister that goes out
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Speaker 6: at a media event, so there are opportunities for those
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Speaker 6: questions from media.
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Speaker 4: What I want clarity on is the consistencies or inconsistencies
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Speaker 4: I should say, or what people want is, yes, you've
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Speaker 4: got to wear your mask. Yes you've got to check
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Speaker 4: in licensed premisess got to check your vaccinations to be
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Speaker 4: But unvaccinated people can come over the border and like
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Speaker 4: you said, that's their choice, but they're not going to
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Speaker 4: be able to get into a lot of places that
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Speaker 4: serve alcohol and perhaps even some touristy kind of places
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Speaker 4: like I don't know him myself personally, but it could
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Speaker 4: be there could be some you know, like the Barre
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Speaker 4: and Monday Fishing place that Berry Springs might say you've
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Speaker 4: got to be vaccinated. Shows should prove so if they
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Speaker 4: come in, good on them. They might be just campers,
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Speaker 4: but there's all these inconsistency. So the mask mandate goes,
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Speaker 4: and if perhaps the checking goes, but what about the
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Speaker 4: checking in of licensed premises? Is that going to be
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Speaker 4: around for ever or is that going to go too?
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Speaker 4: So it's it's the inconsistencies and the and I've always
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Speaker 4: said this and I'm not talking to even particularly, but
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Speaker 4: it's more the government and perhaps with Michael Gunner is
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Speaker 4: the things don't get thought through well and now I
13:17
Speaker 4: don't appear to be thought through because it impacts on
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Speaker 4: the rural area in particular, and you know, the lack
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Speaker 4: of four gen Marrachai, people couldn't buy booze in town,
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Speaker 4: you know, all this sort of stuff.
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Speaker 1: And business generally as generally. The other part of this,
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Speaker 1: of course is tourism. And we do know that those
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Speaker 1: international borders indeed open to earlier this week as well.
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Speaker 1: We're all hoping they'd be an influx there. You know,
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Speaker 1: there's been a stream of people, not a huge number
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Speaker 1: at this point. They need to be double vaccinated. Yet
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Speaker 1: Northern Territorians, if you want to go to work and
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Speaker 1: work frontline, need to be triple vaxed. But then The
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Speaker 1: other part of that, I think when you're talking about
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Speaker 1: tourism is with that uncertainty does come uncertainty from people
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Speaker 1: wanting to book their travel. And I think that this
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Speaker 1: is where that plan becomes incredibly important, not just for
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Speaker 1: hospitality and for retail businesses or whatever business you're talking.
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Speaker 3: About, but certainly for tourism.
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Speaker 4: Yes, no border entry form on Friday.
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Speaker 3: That was the one.
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Speaker 4: Yes, that was the main one, which.
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Speaker 1: So the you know, this is where I think we do.
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Speaker 1: I understand that there's lots of sort of steps before
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Speaker 1: you get to making that decision, but this is where
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Speaker 1: I think that industry needs that certainty. But indeed people
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Speaker 1: wanting to travel into the Northern Territory need that certainty too.
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Speaker 1: And some may say, oh, well, who cares if you've
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Speaker 1: got to wear a mask, Well you do if you've
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Speaker 1: traveled from let's say Melbourne and you've been wearing a
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Speaker 1: mask for the last two years and you're able to
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Speaker 1: get to the Northern Territory and you're thinking to yourself,
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Speaker 1: hang on a second, if I've got to wear a
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Speaker 1: mask when I get there for the two weeks that
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Speaker 1: i'm there, maybe I don't want to go.
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Speaker 2: And this is where this is where we want to
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Speaker 2: be the comeback capital. We hear the Chief miniss say
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Speaker 2: that all the time, but when there's that uncertainty across
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Speaker 2: the territory, across businesses is particular tourism and those people
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Speaker 2: who may not want to come because they're not sure
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Speaker 2: about what's going on, because for them it's even less
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Speaker 2: clear than it is for us here. And that's the
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Speaker 2: other reason why you know, we're going to introduce that
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Speaker 2: bill in Parliament next month about having that clarity around
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Speaker 2: what is actually going on with the health pandemic, so
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Speaker 2: that the information is right there, not only for the
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Speaker 2: journalists who can report on it, but so that others
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Speaker 2: out there in Australia can also see and know what's
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Speaker 2: going to happen next.
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Speaker 5: And the other thing as well with that press release
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Speaker 5: was there was no clarity as to what arrangements were
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Speaker 5: in place for that good to go at the oh yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 5: the one that you have to like you have on
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Speaker 5: your phone fourteen days oh yes, selfie, yep.
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Speaker 7: There was no.
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Speaker 5: Wording or anything in that statement about you know, whether
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Speaker 5: that was still a thing that people who was going
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Speaker 5: to breakfast from day one and so again if the
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Speaker 5: Chief Minister or someone had come out and maybe you know,
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Speaker 5: fronted the media. We would have been able to ask
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Speaker 5: that question to the government and been able to get
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Speaker 5: some clarity so people could make an informed decision about
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Speaker 5: whether they wanted to travel to the territory or what
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Speaker 5: was expected of them before they landed with the five
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Speaker 5: thousand dollar time.
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Speaker 1: Well, look, we might take a very short break. You
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Speaker 1: are listening to mix Swallow four point nine.
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Speaker 3: Three point sixty. It is the week that was.
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Speaker 1: You are indeed listening to the week that was Marie
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Speaker 1: Claire boothby Eva Laula Kesi Apuric and Tom Morgan in
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Speaker 1: the studio with me this morning. Now we know that
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Speaker 1: throughout the week there has been discussion about the use
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Speaker 1: of spit hoods again in.
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Speaker 3: The Northern Territory.
16:12
Speaker 1: The Northern Territory Police Association that they are certainly throwing
16:16
Speaker 1: their support behind Territory Police and they support the use
16:21
Speaker 1: of spit hoods and restraint chairs to prevent members of
16:23
Speaker 1: the Northern Territory Police, they say, being exposed to communicable
16:27
Speaker 1: diseases which can have long lasting impacts on members' health. Now,
16:32
Speaker 1: the NT News did report earlier in the week that
16:35
Speaker 1: officers had used spit hoods on children twenty seven times
16:38
Speaker 1: since twenty eighteen at the Darwin Palmerston, Alice Springs, Catherine
16:43
Speaker 1: and Tenant Creek as well as Casarina stations. So we
16:48
Speaker 1: know well what we are being told is that the
16:49
Speaker 1: use of these restraint chairs and spit.
16:51
Speaker 3: Hoods are a last resort and.
16:53
Speaker 1: Are implemented under strict guidelines for the safety of the
16:56
Speaker 1: person in custody and the member. We've since different health
17:01
Speaker 1: groups and advocacy groups come out and condemn their use.
17:06
Speaker 1: Yesterday I spoke with John Patterson from amsand and he said, Katie,
17:10
Speaker 1: you know, he was really at pains right at the
17:11
Speaker 1: start of that interview to point out that he wanted
17:14
Speaker 1: to say that they thank the Northern Territory Police and
17:16
Speaker 1: all frontline workers for the amazing work that they do,
17:19
Speaker 1: but he said that he wanted, you know, there to
17:21
Speaker 1: be a sort of a sit down situation where they
17:24
Speaker 1: discussed potential other methods rather than spi hoods and restraint chairs.
17:28
Speaker 1: And I understand that, and I certainly respect John's perspective,
17:32
Speaker 1: but I do also think we're talking about police using
17:36
Speaker 1: them as a last resort. We're talking about them using
17:38
Speaker 1: them on children who are potentially trying to self harm,
17:44
Speaker 1: who are potentially becoming quite violent with the Northern Territory Police,
17:48
Speaker 1: it is not an ideal situation in any way.
17:51
Speaker 3: Shape or form. We know that from the Royal Commission.
17:55
Speaker 1: But it's also not an ideal situation to have a
17:58
Speaker 1: twelve year old allegedly in a watch house after allegedly
18:02
Speaker 1: breaking into somewhere or stealing a vehicle or any other.
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Speaker 4: Issue, Katie. Since that story broke, there is not a
18:09
Speaker 4: lot of sympathy out in my area for the perpetrator
18:13
Speaker 4: or the alleged perpetrator. I myself support I think what
18:21
Speaker 4: the Police Association said, you know, the safety of their members,
18:24
Speaker 4: their health and safety is paramount. Now, if it's a
18:28
Speaker 4: last resort, well clearly there's been issues before it's got
18:30
Speaker 4: to that stage, and the police and others are well trained,
18:34
Speaker 4: well qualified to deal with you know, a volatile situations,
18:37
Speaker 4: aggressive situations, and if they're having the need to put
18:40
Speaker 4: a hood on or something likelihood, well there's obviously very
18:43
Speaker 4: good reasons for doing that now, which I both obviously
18:47
Speaker 4: just mentioned. That's the safety aspect, So I'm not sure
18:50
Speaker 4: what the police can do I know the government said,
18:52
Speaker 4: you know, try and find other ways other than that.
18:54
Speaker 4: There's not a lot of other ways in my way
18:56
Speaker 4: of thinking. And people have asked me and I said, well,
18:58
Speaker 4: let's think about it. What could you do than a
19:00
Speaker 4: full faced helmet? And then that would have problems apparently,
19:04
Speaker 4: So I don't know. It's a tricky situation, but I
19:06
Speaker 4: can tell you now, there's, like always, there's not a
19:08
Speaker 4: lot of sympathy for the perpetrator. The sympathy is with
19:12
Speaker 4: the victim. Why that person's there in the first place.
19:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm hearing what kids here saying because it's
19:16
Speaker 2: very much the same in my electorate as well. What
19:19
Speaker 2: we see here is that everybody's all worried about the
19:22
Speaker 2: offenders and there's no concern for the victims. And the
19:25
Speaker 2: victims in this case are our police, and our police
19:28
Speaker 2: need to be supported one hundred percent.
19:31
Speaker 6: Sorry I was going to say, I think all the
19:33
Speaker 6: things I've heard absolutely people are concerned about police. We
19:36
Speaker 6: know police have a very very difficult job, and in
19:40
Speaker 6: the last two years with COVID, obviously the concern around
19:44
Speaker 6: spit has been as increased and we bought in legislation
19:48
Speaker 6: in twenty twenty increasing the offenses under the Criminal Act
19:51
Speaker 6: around spitting at people. So I think we all agree.
19:54
Speaker 6: So all the conversations I've had as well say that, yes,
19:58
Speaker 6: that people are concerned about the health and well being
20:01
Speaker 6: of police officers.
20:02
Speaker 3: Yes.
20:02
Speaker 5: I just want to reflect though that I don't think
20:05
Speaker 5: there's another police service in the country which uses spithoods.
20:08
Speaker 5: So how can police services in other parts of the
20:10
Speaker 5: country get by without them? Yet apparently they're a necessity
20:13
Speaker 5: in the Northern Territory. I just want to ask that question.
20:15
Speaker 4: They might not have the problems we have here in
20:17
Speaker 4: the Northern Territory life.
20:18
Speaker 1: I want to take you to to something that Lisa Baylis,
20:21
Speaker 1: the Vice president of the Northern Territory Police Association, said
20:25
Speaker 1: on the show earlier in the week when it comes
20:27
Speaker 1: to those communicable diseases and some of what the police
20:32
Speaker 1: are obviously dealing with.
20:33
Speaker 3: Take a listen to what she had to say.
20:35
Speaker 1: Have we had any situations in the Northern Territory or
20:38
Speaker 1: you know, are there reports even you know in Australia
20:41
Speaker 1: at the moment of police officers being spat on it
20:45
Speaker 1: and they'm actually you know, ending up with the communicable disease.
20:51
Speaker 8: Actually there is in South Australia, there was a police
20:54
Speaker 8: officer who when she was arresting a member of the public,
20:58
Speaker 8: an offender, she was spat in in her face and
21:01
Speaker 8: as a result of that she contracted her abise and
21:06
Speaker 8: had ongoing problems with it. Every six eight weeks she
21:09
Speaker 8: has an outbreak. It's a very serious case. It's inside
21:11
Speaker 8: her mouth and down her throat.
21:13
Speaker 1: So that was Lisa Bayless on the show a little
21:15
Speaker 1: bit earlier in the week. And you know, look, I
21:17
Speaker 1: think in an ideal world, we would certainly not be
21:20
Speaker 1: worrying about the use of spithoods and we would not
21:22
Speaker 1: be worrying about young children, you know, being locked up.
21:26
Speaker 1: But unfortunately that's not the world that we're living in
21:28
Speaker 1: at this point in time. And I do think that
21:31
Speaker 1: the you know, there may be other ways to be
21:33
Speaker 1: able to, you know, to restrain a child.
21:35
Speaker 3: I don't know.
21:36
Speaker 1: I'm certainly not an expert in that area, but I
21:38
Speaker 1: also feel as though since the Royal Commission, I would
21:41
Speaker 1: think that the Northern Territory Police are absolutely using it
21:44
Speaker 1: as a last resort given the fact that we have
21:48
Speaker 1: you know, the whole all frontline services, everything to do
21:52
Speaker 1: with the dealing of youths has gone through the microscope
21:55
Speaker 1: as a result of that Royal commission. But eva, I mean,
21:58
Speaker 1: is it something that is what's the Ofment's feeling on
22:01
Speaker 1: this at the moment there?
22:02
Speaker 6: So, I mean, like John Pattison said, and John obviously
22:05
Speaker 6: has lots of interactions with Indigenous people across the territory.
22:11
Speaker 6: So that's what Nicole Madison, the Minister for Police has said.
22:14
Speaker 6: She has asked the police force to go and have
22:16
Speaker 6: a look and are there other alternatives? Thomas was just
22:19
Speaker 6: saying we're the only state that are the only state
22:22
Speaker 6: or territory that continues to use them. I actually don't
22:25
Speaker 6: know if that's correct. I think South Australia is legislated.
22:27
Speaker 6: I don't think the other states have I mean whether
22:31
Speaker 6: they use them or not, but don't have legislation in place.
22:33
Speaker 6: But so Nicole has asked the police force and obviously
22:37
Speaker 6: they've taken that on board to have a look at though, Yeah,
22:40
Speaker 6: what else is there? What are the other alternatives? And
22:43
Speaker 6: as I said, as a government, we when we came
22:46
Speaker 6: in in twenty sixteen, we said spithoods and restraint chairs
22:49
Speaker 6: weren't to be used in detention centers and then you know,
22:53
Speaker 6: the real Royal Commission continued I think for about another
22:55
Speaker 6: two years and that was obviously one of the recommendations
22:58
Speaker 6: around detention centers. Already we're ahead of that around detention centers.
23:02
Speaker 6: But also understand that detention centers are very different to
23:05
Speaker 6: police cells. You know, I mean I spending thirty odd
23:08
Speaker 6: years working in education, and you can, you know, some
23:12
Speaker 6: children you can distract, you can, but when we know
23:15
Speaker 6: when they're in going into a police cell or coming
23:18
Speaker 6: getting picked up, yeah, they're highly agitated. So you know,
23:22
Speaker 6: I think we all agree absolutely our police force have
23:25
Speaker 6: done an amazing job, always do an amazing job. They
23:28
Speaker 6: have to have their work health and safety protected. But
23:31
Speaker 6: is there other ways and that's a sensible way, that's
23:34
Speaker 6: a sensible way forward of having a look at this
23:36
Speaker 6: and seeing what other options there are.
23:39
Speaker 2: The other issue here is Katie, that the spit hooards
23:43
Speaker 2: come and they needed by the police because there are
23:46
Speaker 2: people in custody who are fighting and they're you know,
23:48
Speaker 2: they're hurting themselves or they're spinning at other officers. But
23:53
Speaker 2: the reason why they're in there is because we have
23:54
Speaker 2: such a huge crime problem here in the little of
23:56
Speaker 2: the territory, Like we've seen commercial break ins that are
23:58
Speaker 2: up by thirty percent. If you think about the percentage
24:01
Speaker 2: of that of course those people that ended up in custody,
24:03
Speaker 2: and then there's that need for that conversation. So I
24:05
Speaker 2: think we need to go back and say, well, what
24:07
Speaker 2: is the what's the cause of the reason why our
24:10
Speaker 2: crime is on such a huge trajectory up and.
24:12
Speaker 6: Mary cleif you've got an answer, tell us, well there, look,
24:15
Speaker 6: this is one of them looking for rances to around
24:19
Speaker 6: that we're not doing. We haven't got our eyes closed.
24:21
Speaker 6: We're not trying to stop it. A good day would
24:23
Speaker 6: be a great day without crime. So if you have solutions,
24:26
Speaker 6: most police tell us.
24:27
Speaker 2: Continues to tell everybody that there's a record spend on
24:30
Speaker 2: police to be able to counter crime, and it clearly
24:34
Speaker 2: money doesn't solve crime because the outcomes are just not
24:36
Speaker 2: there too.
24:39
Speaker 1: There was a discussion that we've had with the Chamber
24:41
Speaker 1: of Commerce earlier in the week, and I know that
24:42
Speaker 1: they spoke to the Northern Territory News as well, really
24:45
Speaker 1: calling for you know, for the Northern Territory government to
24:48
Speaker 1: further support regional businesses as those statistics had shown that
24:52
Speaker 1: commercial break ins. Well, in Alice Springs those commercial break
24:56
Speaker 1: ins went up eighty two point one point one percent.
24:59
Speaker 1: We that around the territory the commercial break ins went up.
25:03
Speaker 1: We've even got a situation now today, I believe it's
25:06
Speaker 1: in the paper with the Allice Springstown councilor Michael Little
25:09
Speaker 1: calling for a pause on the CAFL, the Country League
25:13
Speaker 1: because of the chaos that.
25:14
Speaker 3: It brings to the town.
25:15
Speaker 1: And you know, we've spoken quite a bit about the
25:17
Speaker 1: different issues up here in the top end, certainly you
25:21
Speaker 1: know in Palmerston, in the rural area right around the place.
25:25
Speaker 3: But in central Australia right now.
25:26
Speaker 1: I mean, if you've got a situation where you've got
25:29
Speaker 1: a bloke who I'm sure loves his footy like we
25:31
Speaker 1: all do, saying hang on, maybe we need to have
25:33
Speaker 1: a bit of a pause here at the moment, you know.
25:36
Speaker 3: And also the Chamber of Commerce coming out.
25:40
Speaker 1: This follows on from the Lord or the Mayor of
25:44
Speaker 1: Alice Springs a couple of weeks ago writing to you know,
25:47
Speaker 1: to politicians from all around the nation and other leaders
25:50
Speaker 1: just calling for that help. It's a really like it's
25:53
Speaker 1: a difficult scenario and situation right now in central.
25:56
Speaker 5: Australia, not just in Central Australia though. I was watching
26:00
Speaker 5: Channel nine News last night and Tylias IV the crime
26:03
Speaker 5: reporter at nine, had an excellent story that I believe
26:06
Speaker 5: Joe Hersey home that had heartbreaking between between tenants had
26:12
Speaker 5: just been completely trashed. You know. It's it's such a
26:16
Speaker 5: such a widespread problem and I don't think there's a
26:20
Speaker 5: simple solution to it. I don't think any one government
26:22
Speaker 5: can fix it. But it's also I think an indictment
26:25
Speaker 5: of failures of successive governments to get on top of
26:28
Speaker 5: the issue and to create real change in the space
26:31
Speaker 5: and to help young people not fall into the cycle
26:33
Speaker 5: of crime and you violence.
26:35
Speaker 1: But I think the real the difficult part at this
26:37
Speaker 1: point is we've spoken about this before, is we all
26:41
Speaker 1: understand that there needs to be some real change, like
26:43
Speaker 1: from young people growing up and that you know that
26:46
Speaker 1: that generational change. We've heard that on numerous occasions from
26:49
Speaker 1: the Labor Party. But right now as well, there needs
26:52
Speaker 1: to be some kind of stop gap for you know,
26:54
Speaker 1: for people. There needs to be that assistance for some
26:57
Speaker 1: of those businesses that are living through this and going
26:59
Speaker 1: through week by week and having a debilitating impact on them.
27:03
Speaker 1: We also spoke to the independent member for Oura lu
27:06
Speaker 1: And Robin Lamley earlier in the week and she is
27:08
Speaker 1: seriously concerned. And obviously I've got to be very careful
27:11
Speaker 1: about what we say here, but she is seriously concerned
27:14
Speaker 1: then as well, once we see the outcome of the
27:16
Speaker 1: Roll trial handed down, no matter how it goes, how
27:20
Speaker 1: that could play.
27:21
Speaker 3: Out in Central Australia.
27:22
Speaker 1: And like I said, we need to be very careful
27:24
Speaker 1: with those comments around that, but I think that that
27:26
Speaker 1: is also something that is on everybody's minds right now, Katie.
27:30
Speaker 4: I think we need to keep some things in perspective.
27:33
Speaker 4: And you know, we're talking about the young people. As
27:36
Speaker 4: we say, which presume he's under eighteen, The percentage of
27:41
Speaker 4: the people creating this problem and committing the crimes is small, yep.
27:46
Speaker 4: Compared there's thousands, thousands of young people out there who
27:50
Speaker 4: are just normal doing great stuff, normal people going about
27:53
Speaker 4: their business with their families, their loved ones, their mates,
27:55
Speaker 4: their cares, grandpa's whatever, whomever. So we're talking about us
28:00
Speaker 4: a certain percentage of people. I don't know what it is,
28:02
Speaker 4: but we know it's small. I mean, I've been told
28:04
Speaker 4: by authorities that it's about thirty families in the darn
28:07
Speaker 4: area that they know, they know them, they know the families,
28:09
Speaker 4: I should say, and the ones that are potentially going
28:12
Speaker 4: to create create problems and are creating problems. And yet
28:15
Speaker 4: it takes up so much bloody space and time and
28:18
Speaker 4: discussion and resources for a small percentage of people who
28:22
Speaker 4: are creating the problems in our society up here elsewhere
28:25
Speaker 4: in the territory. And I just think we've got to maybe,
28:29
Speaker 4: you know, people talk about tough love and all this
28:32
Speaker 4: sort of stuff. It's not going anywhere fast, and it's
28:35
Speaker 4: unless there's some tough measures taken. I get it. Half
28:37
Speaker 4: the young people probably got faz D and all that
28:40
Speaker 4: sort of stuff, and that in itself is another social
28:42
Speaker 4: and social and a problem in our society. But you know,
28:46
Speaker 4: I just reflect back on the time I was on
28:48
Speaker 4: a select committee that looked into youth suicide and also
28:50
Speaker 4: into fas D. And when we went to Alice Springs,
28:52
Speaker 4: there are about twenty groups dealing with youth in that town.
28:56
Speaker 4: They didn't talk to each other. There were people when
28:58
Speaker 4: we met in in Tenant Creed and we invited people.
29:01
Speaker 4: The committee invited people to come and talk to the
29:03
Speaker 4: committee about whichever was when we were talking about some
29:06
Speaker 4: of them didn't even know each other. We're doing what
29:07
Speaker 4: they were doing in regards to.
29:09
Speaker 2: You, so Spead, Territory families has such an important role
29:12
Speaker 2: to play.
29:13
Speaker 4: There's bigger issues out there. The crime is a big issue,
29:16
Speaker 4: but there are other issues out there that are detracting
29:19
Speaker 4: from the problem that. You know, when we talk about
29:22
Speaker 4: coordination and engagement and communication, you know, some of those
29:26
Speaker 4: foundation stones need to be made stronger and better such
29:30
Speaker 4: that we can build upon and you know, try and
29:33
Speaker 4: sort out these young people and not so young people.
29:35
Speaker 2: Like you said, if there's thirty families in the top
29:37
Speaker 2: end like you just mentioned, and that's thirty families whatever
29:40
Speaker 2: it is, you've got territory families there that are there
29:43
Speaker 2: to protect the children and work with the families to
29:45
Speaker 2: make sure that they're going to be okay. And if
29:48
Speaker 2: they're not handling twenty or thirty families, then that is
29:51
Speaker 2: something that is failing dismally. It needs to be looked at.
29:55
Speaker 2: And I just feel like this government always buries its
29:57
Speaker 2: head in the sand. It reverts back and blames everybody else,
30:00
Speaker 2: and it's just we don't see any improvement. In fact,
30:03
Speaker 2: we know that the statistics are getting worse and worse.
30:06
Speaker 4: Well, our springs if the eighty two percent in Christian
30:09
Speaker 4: whatever commercial And you know when.
30:10
Speaker 2: You walk around the territory, no matter where you go,
30:12
Speaker 2: people will talking to you.
30:14
Speaker 4: Good lad, you know with all the bloody security screens everywhere.
30:17
Speaker 2: That's right, yeah, well, and people are just running a
30:19
Speaker 2: mark that they don't seem to care about the authorities.
30:22
Speaker 2: Whatever we are doing now is failing and we have
30:25
Speaker 2: to absolutely do different things.
30:26
Speaker 6: So I mean, I can assure you that government isn't
30:29
Speaker 6: turning a blind eye or have their head in the sand.
30:31
Speaker 6: Government is working very hard to continue to address these issues.
30:34
Speaker 6: We know they are complex and difficult in Northern Territory
30:37
Speaker 6: and we you know, we talk about this often on
30:39
Speaker 6: this show. But one good positive thing is the multi
30:42
Speaker 6: agency coordination teams that the maxt and Marie Claire, you
30:46
Speaker 6: should be aware of them. In Parmesan. Selena Dolts Serena Dalton,
30:50
Speaker 6: who is an important person in Parmesan who is involved
30:54
Speaker 6: with lots of young people in Parmesan. She chairs that
30:57
Speaker 6: group and they bring together education, health, police, territory families,
31:03
Speaker 6: the ngngos and they work with families kids that have
31:07
Speaker 6: been identified and coordinating the response around that. So there
31:10
Speaker 6: are positive things. Those MAX committees are across the territory,
31:14
Speaker 6: So there are things in place that when government continues
31:18
Speaker 6: to work hard to address the issue of crime, no
31:20
Speaker 6: one wants to see crime.
31:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, well look, I hope that they may start to
31:23
Speaker 1: make a real impact for the people of Valae Springs
31:25
Speaker 1: and also right around the territory. We're going to have
31:27
Speaker 1: to take a very short break. You are listening to
31:29
Speaker 1: Mix one oh four point nine. It is the week
31:30
Speaker 1: that was. It is the week that was. Of course
31:32
Speaker 1: we've got Murray, Claire boothby Evil, Aula Kesy appearic and
31:36
Speaker 1: Tom Morgan in the studio and we know that's well.
31:39
Speaker 1: The Australian Electoral Commission is in a live discussion with
31:42
Speaker 1: the Country Liberal Party about its registration. Now, Tom, this
31:45
Speaker 1: is a story that you've broken this morning. Talk us
31:47
Speaker 1: through exactly what the situation is here.
31:49
Speaker 5: So this is the Australian Electoral Commission. So there's rules
31:52
Speaker 5: that the Parliament passed last year which stipulate that you
31:56
Speaker 5: have to have either fifteen hundred members as a party
31:59
Speaker 5: or a sitting party momentarian in Canberra to qualify as
32:03
Speaker 5: a party at the federal level. Now COLP, after Sam
32:07
Speaker 5: McMahon resigned, have lost their parliamentarian. There's now the question
32:10
Speaker 5: of whether they have fifteen hundred members or not. And
32:14
Speaker 5: obviously Labor came out a few weeks ago and said
32:16
Speaker 5: we don't believe that the COLP have that many members.
32:20
Speaker 3: Keep the booting basically, yeah, it was a.
32:22
Speaker 5: Bit of a kicking my lead down moment. But now
32:26
Speaker 5: the AEC has sort of said sort of said, well,
32:29
Speaker 5: we've written to the CLP and asked them what the
32:31
Speaker 5: situation is. I don't believe it's as gone as far
32:34
Speaker 5: as an audit yet, right, but I imagine that if the
32:37
Speaker 5: CLP can't say, well confidently that we have fifteen hundred members,
32:40
Speaker 5: that will be when the AAC launch an audit.
32:43
Speaker 1: Dian, I guess the you know, only time will tell
32:46
Speaker 1: what the ramifications of that are. And when you look
32:48
Speaker 1: at the at the federal election, it could be sort
32:52
Speaker 1: of ramifications.
32:53
Speaker 4: It will see quite quickly.
32:55
Speaker 5: I don't think the COLP are under any threat at
32:57
Speaker 5: the territory level. I believe that the CLP, you know,
33:00
Speaker 5: we'll stay in the anti parliament but the ramification if
33:04
Speaker 5: they do get you know, de registered as a federal
33:06
Speaker 5: party will be that just Enterprise, Damian Ryan and Tina
33:11
Speaker 5: McFarlane will have to run as well. They won't have
33:13
Speaker 5: the COLP Country Liberal brand under their name on the ballot,
33:17
Speaker 5: which means they're effectively independence. It may harm them in
33:20
Speaker 5: the sense that they may not necessarily have the brand recognition,
33:23
Speaker 5: but also they will.
33:24
Speaker 6: Be below the line on the ballot paper for the Senate,
33:26
Speaker 6: so that is difficult then just to number one, two,
33:31
Speaker 6: three across the top or they'll have to go and
33:33
Speaker 6: look for them for the.
33:34
Speaker 1: Party'll be I think what'll be interesting as well then
33:37
Speaker 1: is to see whether the National Party or the Liberal
33:40
Speaker 1: Party then on the federal scale sort of are they
33:44
Speaker 1: able to step in and go well, no, we want
33:46
Speaker 1: just Enterprice running for us as a Liberal or we
33:48
Speaker 1: want you know whoever running for us is whatever.
33:51
Speaker 4: From my memory recollection, the COLP has particular arrangements with
33:55
Speaker 4: both the major parties, or both the Liberals and the Nationals,
33:57
Speaker 4: and that's why when there was two seal people elected,
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Speaker 4: one would Nigel Sculling would sit with the Nationals and
34:04
Speaker 4: the lower House person would sit with the liberals type
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Speaker 4: of thing. So I personally don't think they will do
34:10
Speaker 4: that if they do lose their branding and those people
34:13
Speaker 4: have to run as you know, independence effectively. You know,
34:16
Speaker 4: there's to my way of thinking, there's ways around it
34:19
Speaker 4: with coloring and things of that nature that will still
34:22
Speaker 4: hang on to some of their branding. But the bottom
34:24
Speaker 4: line is the senator just in the Price will get elected,
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Speaker 4: you know, whether she's called SEALP or not, because that's
34:29
Speaker 4: the way people vote in the Senate. But it can
34:32
Speaker 4: have serious impacts on people from the party running in
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Speaker 4: the House of Reps. Dam In Ryan Fillingyaria right.
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Speaker 2: And I think it's going to be a meet point
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Speaker 2: actually because the party president has already said that the
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Speaker 2: CELP is fully compliant across the territory and federally, that
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Speaker 2: we do have an association with the nuts and sit
34:51
Speaker 2: with them and we'll be running our candidates at the
34:54
Speaker 2: next election.
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Speaker 3: So is there fifteen hundred members.
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Speaker 2: I don't have all the details of art, but we
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Speaker 2: the party president has always said we're fully compliant.
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Speaker 4: What was the word that you used there.
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Speaker 5: My association is that something that under the legislation is
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Speaker 5: actually recognized.
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Speaker 4: Like the president is quite confident that's the case.
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Speaker 2: So if there happens to be a review or they're
35:15
Speaker 2: in talks, then obviously all of that will come out.
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Speaker 4: But I think it's a meat point. I reckon we
35:19
Speaker 4: need to look at the legislation. I mean, I hear
35:21
Speaker 4: what Thomas is asked, whether this, as I've said, the
35:24
Speaker 4: association with the National Party and the Liberal Party, is
35:27
Speaker 4: that sufficient under the federal legislation. I mean, the CLP
35:31
Speaker 4: this is just a collateral damage that the legislation was
35:34
Speaker 4: planned to get rid of those pesky minor parties in
35:37
Speaker 4: the Senate because they're the ones that have the balance
35:39
Speaker 4: of power, whether it be Paul and Hansen's party or
35:41
Speaker 4: the Party Party, Party Party or the Automobile Association Party,
35:46
Speaker 4: and they have you know, they've got elected and they've
35:49
Speaker 4: held the balance of power and mucked up the government's agenda.
35:52
Speaker 4: So the CLP is collateral damage. They're not one of
35:54
Speaker 4: the pesky parties. Now they've got to deal with the consequences.
35:57
Speaker 4: So it'll be what is in the legislation, whether the
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Speaker 4: association with the federal parties sufficient.
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Speaker 3: Well, regardless they're in campaign mode.
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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, there was an interesting scenario that played out
36:08
Speaker 6: this week, which is, as I said, I think plays
36:10
Speaker 6: to how much disarray the SELP is in. So Barnaby
36:14
Speaker 6: Joyce made an announcement the out Back Way, so the
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Speaker 6: one hundred and twenty four million for the Northern Territory,
36:20
Speaker 6: well under the land Use Agreement, of the land Transport
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Speaker 6: Agreement in the Northern Territory that the federal government has,
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Speaker 6: it's eighty twenty and I've spoken about that often. So
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Speaker 6: eighty percent is federally funded, twenty percent Northern Territory. So
36:32
Speaker 6: Barnaby made an announcement around the out Back Way where
36:34
Speaker 6: he will expect the Northern Territory or under our land
36:37
Speaker 6: Use Agreement, our land Transport Agreement, that we'll have to
36:40
Speaker 6: pay about twenty five million. So the media event was
36:43
Speaker 6: in on the out Backway, the Planet Highway. I didn't
36:46
Speaker 6: get an invite to that, and my name wasn't actually
36:49
Speaker 6: on the release either, so there was Keith Pitts and
36:53
Speaker 6: also Barnaby's name.
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Speaker 3: So despite needing twenty million for yeah, that.
36:58
Speaker 6: Some sage they're going to be asking for our twenty
36:59
Speaker 6: five minus and to complete the road, I didn't get
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Speaker 6: an invite at all. It was actually on Barnaby's letterhead,
37:06
Speaker 6: and so I called it out during the week saying
37:08
Speaker 6: this actually then is an election commitment, this is money
37:11
Speaker 6: that needs to be in this year's budget, then if
37:13
Speaker 6: you've got it on letterhead. But at the event, Leaf
37:17
Speaker 6: and Okaria, the leader of the opposition, wasn't at that event.
37:20
Speaker 6: Josh Burgo and none of the Central Australian members were there.
37:23
Speaker 6: But the two CLP candidates were there at the media event.
37:26
Speaker 6: So to me it was well, the election hasn't been called,
37:29
Speaker 6: why are the CLP candidates at this event? And then
37:32
Speaker 6: why didn't I get an invitation or at least have
37:36
Speaker 6: my name on the letterhead on the media release and
37:40
Speaker 6: have we get called out often whatever?
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Speaker 3: Whatever.
37:43
Speaker 6: If I'm opening a bridge, if I'm opening a road,
37:46
Speaker 6: sometimes I get in trouble because people go, this road's
37:48
Speaker 6: been gone, have been open for weeks and months. Why
37:50
Speaker 6: haven't you announced it? Because I haven't been able to
37:52
Speaker 6: get the federal member there. You know, I can drop
37:55
Speaker 6: a drop of a hat go and open the Subtle
37:57
Speaker 6: Creek bridge, for example, but we have to wait there's
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Speaker 6: a federal member there and tee up that before we're
38:02
Speaker 6: allowed to do a media event without them because they're
38:05
Speaker 6: putting in eighty percent. So the reciprocity is I should
38:08
Speaker 6: have been there, or I could have had at least
38:10
Speaker 6: had Chancey Pat there or a member for Central Australia there.
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Speaker 6: I didn't, so to me it was an interesting one.
38:16
Speaker 6: I think they stuffed up. But also it's interesting that
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Speaker 6: Lee didn't get an invite to it either.
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Speaker 2: True there were local members from the CLP at that event.
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Speaker 7: I won't at the event because that you didn't get invited.
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Speaker 2: Government money then.
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Speaker 1: Is no, it's either an election commitment or it's in
38:35
Speaker 1: the budget. If it's an election commitment, well don't put
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Speaker 1: it on the letterhead and don't make it official. If
38:40
Speaker 1: it's a budget commitment, well you go it's actually fair enough.
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Speaker 3: It's fair enough then that.
38:44
Speaker 1: If you're also expecting that money from the from the
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Speaker 1: Northern Territory government.
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Speaker 5: Has Barnaby Joyce actually said to you that they're expecting
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Speaker 5: you to pay twenty percent of that road or and
38:54
Speaker 5: would you complain if they paid for one hundred percent
38:56
Speaker 5: of it and you didn't have to.
38:57
Speaker 6: I would love them to pay one hundred percent of
38:59
Speaker 6: any row.
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Speaker 4: So maybe that's why.
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Speaker 6: You went, I know, no, No, you can't, Thomas. Our
39:05
Speaker 6: governments can't as well. Sometimes we do see the LMP.
39:09
Speaker 6: They can't just give a money without an agreement, so
39:12
Speaker 6: there has to be there is a land transport agreement
39:15
Speaker 6: and that's how it works. But you know, I would
39:18
Speaker 6: love Barnaby Joyce to give us one hundred percent and
39:20
Speaker 6: does not have to pay twenty five million. There's plenty
39:22
Speaker 6: of other things we can spend twenty five million on.
39:24
Speaker 6: But anyway, I just thought it was an interesting scenario.
39:26
Speaker 6: And as I said, I know Mary Claire is saying
39:29
Speaker 6: that the CLP might have been invited. They weren't at
39:32
Speaker 6: the media event. People go on go on the Facebook
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Speaker 6: page and have a look on the Facebook.
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Speaker 4: Very quickly, Minister just said that, you know the government
39:42
Speaker 4: doesn't give money without an agreement. Well, I gave twelve
39:44
Speaker 4: billion dollars to the turf Club without there was a
39:48
Speaker 4: grand agreement, a grand agree. Fur hours.
39:53
Speaker 3: We are going to have to take a very short break.
39:55
Speaker 3: You are listening to point nine three sixty. It is
39:59
Speaker 3: the week that was. Well, we are just about ready
40:02
Speaker 3: to wrap up for the week that was.
40:03
Speaker 1: But before we do eva very quickly, I did get
40:06
Speaker 1: a question earlier in the week from Bill. He called
40:09
Speaker 1: through and he wanted to know about this new legislation
40:11
Speaker 1: that was bought in over Christmas that's apparently going to
40:14
Speaker 1: bring territory houses in line with the National Code.
40:17
Speaker 3: He was wondering he'd heard that all.
40:19
Speaker 1: Elevated houses needed a toilet bathroom facilities downstairs as well
40:22
Speaker 1: as upstairs, and aldo also needed ramps on the outer
40:26
Speaker 1: of the building.
40:28
Speaker 3: Eva, what are we talking about here?
40:30
Speaker 6: Okay, So there's the Australian Building and Construction Board, which
40:33
Speaker 6: is a board that's basically owned by all ministers across Australia.
40:38
Speaker 6: They developed the National Construction Code, which tells builders the
40:42
Speaker 6: code or what they have to build to. And last
40:45
Speaker 6: year and there was considerable debate about it, but the
40:48
Speaker 6: code was updated and it brought in and this is
40:52
Speaker 6: for the future. It's not retrospective that if you have
40:54
Speaker 6: an upstairs house that you have to have a bathroom
40:57
Speaker 6: on the ground floor. But also so if you don't,
41:01
Speaker 6: I mean you have to have an entrance that is
41:03
Speaker 6: accessible for somebody with a disability on the ground floor.
41:07
Speaker 6: If you have the old style or an upstairs home,
41:09
Speaker 6: you don't have you don't have to have a ramp
41:12
Speaker 6: to get upstairs.
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Speaker 4: That's just ridiculous.
41:13
Speaker 6: You wouldn't be able to do that. So for an
41:16
Speaker 6: upstairs home, they have to have a bathroom downstairs. For
41:20
Speaker 6: a ground floor home, you have to have an entrance
41:22
Speaker 6: that can be accessible for someone in a wheelchair. And
41:25
Speaker 6: the reason for this is one we're seeing Australia's population
41:28
Speaker 6: age and so it is and if you have to
41:30
Speaker 6: retro fit houses to make them accessible, it is very expensive.
41:35
Speaker 6: So it is about in the future, you know people
41:37
Speaker 6: with a wheelie that they will be able to get
41:40
Speaker 6: into their house. But there are also absolute exemptions of
41:43
Speaker 6: course for the territory style homes. So an upstairs house
41:47
Speaker 6: in the territory, you'd have to have a bathroom downstairs,
41:49
Speaker 6: which I also understand if you're going to have a
41:51
Speaker 6: party and you have no bathroom downstairs and you've got
41:53
Speaker 6: a friend that visits that needs to go to the
41:55
Speaker 6: toilet obviously, and most upstairs homes have that bathroom laundry area.
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Speaker 1: We might even see whether we're able to get you
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Speaker 1: on at some point next week for a further chat
42:03
Speaker 1: about that, because.
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Speaker 4: It's important because yeah, houses, I mean I live in one.
42:06
Speaker 4: I'm only it's four foot ten off the ground, So
42:08
Speaker 4: what if it's still on stills? So what if you
42:11
Speaker 4: had houses that weren't quite the full height of the
42:13
Speaker 4: olden da Dahen houses and it's only halfway So just
42:17
Speaker 4: terrifications definitely yeah, exemptions.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely worth a further discussion. I reckon now before
42:23
Speaker 1: we get ready to wrap up Tom Understond, we've got
42:25
Speaker 1: some some listeners in Brisbane today. Your family's having a listeners.
42:30
Speaker 4: Morgan and Anna has been a very good boy, a
42:34
Speaker 4: careful mine. Enemy doesn't go out like keep bad company.
42:37
Speaker 3: Oh he's a good boy, anything like that.
42:41
Speaker 4: Well look and also.
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Speaker 1: Very quickly, also very quickly, I did just get a
42:46
Speaker 1: photo of Billian at that media So there you go.
42:51
Speaker 6: Yes, apologies to Billyan, but I wonder why why did
42:57
Speaker 6: he get an invite specially local matter.
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Speaker 4: Well, look, we are going to have to run around
43:02
Speaker 4: mister Lusus Morgan special.
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Speaker 1: We are going to have to wrap up Mary Clear
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Speaker 1: boothby thank you so much for your time this morning.
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Speaker 1: Than Eva Laula, thank you so much for your time. Yes,
43:12
Speaker 1: absolutely stay safe. You to get ready to wrap up
43:17
Speaker 1: Keysy if you're in Tom Morgan, thank you.
43:19
Speaker 4: And native plants seal at French Pass markets this morning,
43:22
Speaker 4: well tomorrow morning, if people into native plants time to plant.
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Speaker 3: We will certainly keep an eye on that. Thank you,
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Speaker 3: Thanks everyone,