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The Last of Us Part 2 Special: Episode 5 · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stuff
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  Speaker 1: I Never told you, production by Heart Radio, and welcome
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  Speaker 1: to another episode of our seven part mini series on
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  Speaker 1: the last of Us Season two.
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  Speaker 2: Only two more left, everybody after this one? Oh? I know?
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  Speaker 2: So this is follow up to our season one reactions
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  Speaker 2: that we did. And the way that this works is
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  Speaker 2: that Samantha and I watched the episode together when it
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  Speaker 2: comes out on Sunday, and then we record this the
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  Speaker 2: following week, and then the episode comes out the Saturday
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  Speaker 2: before the previous episode, So spoilers the previous the next episode,
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  Speaker 2: so spoilers for what has come out in season two already,
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  Speaker 2: season one, first game and parts of the second game,
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  Speaker 2: although I'm trying to avoid plot points, but it's getting
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  Speaker 2: difficult so that I am ready to burst at the seams.
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  Speaker 3: Also, the timing is changing, like the way that they
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  Speaker 3: kind of look and what we know of it, and
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  Speaker 3: like but we don't know of it, and I say
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  Speaker 3: we being new and me asking questions.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, but it's also getting too. It's getting to the
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  Speaker 2: finale that I have. I'm just I want to talk
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  Speaker 2: about all of it, so I want it all to
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  Speaker 2: be out already, So we can talk about it, but
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  Speaker 2: we can't. So today we're talking about the most recent episode,
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  Speaker 2: which at this point is episode five. Content orning I
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  Speaker 2: suppose for violence. It's pretty violent show and game. But yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's what we're doing. We're not doing sex in the
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  Speaker 2: City reactions or fiction episodes during this time because that's
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  Speaker 2: more work on Christina. But as mentioned, yeah, there's only
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  Speaker 2: seven episodes in this only two more. I do want
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  Speaker 2: to put in here at this point because I do
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  Speaker 2: think I know what's gonna happen in the finale. Please remember,
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  Speaker 2: there's a season three.
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  Speaker 3: This is a season everybody's so angry anyway, So I know.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we all knew what was going to happen.
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  Speaker 3: We all knew. We all people who've watched the game
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  Speaker 3: played the game.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they did call it their Empire strikes Back season, which,
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  Speaker 2: if you remember the Empire Strikes Back, it was not
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  Speaker 2: popular when it first came out. Was people were so mad. So, uh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, give it time, give it time, rewatch when
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  Speaker 2: it all comes out, I promise you the rewatch is
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  Speaker 2: gonna be worth it. Okay, okay, m So the way
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  Speaker 2: that these work is Samantha gives a recap, which if
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  Speaker 2: you somehow missed all of this, one of the reasons
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  Speaker 2: we're doing it is this is like my favorite game,
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  Speaker 2: and I've made Samantha watch me play it more than once.
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  Speaker 2: I am convinced more than ever. I actually could make
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  Speaker 2: some money playing it because a lot of people want
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  Speaker 2: to see the game versus the show.
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  Speaker 3: Right, Well, that's the thing. I just actually read an
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  Speaker 3: article about how people are feeling a little not jilted necessarily,
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  Speaker 3: but like they the difference is so different, like so
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  Speaker 3: much that people were like, but no, it's better when
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  Speaker 3: you watch it, and that they said that the hour
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  Speaker 3: they tallied that most people who are gamers have spent
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  Speaker 3: more time watching the game people playing the game than
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  Speaker 3: playing the actual game. Not necessarily for you, but no
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  Speaker 3: other people's any I'm pretty good, good, but also you
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  Speaker 3: are that person that people watch.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and I do pick up all the notes and
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  Speaker 2: all of this stuff. Well, anyway, we'll we'll talk about
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  Speaker 2: that bore in a second. So saman think it's the
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  Speaker 2: recap and then yeah, I go through my thoughts.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, so let's do this recap.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: We are on episode five and we open up to
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  Speaker 3: seeing once again Henry hann Alana Ubach. She is a
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  Speaker 3: legend in her own and we see a door, everybody
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  Speaker 3: staring at this door. She walks away into an interrogation
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  Speaker 3: room and we see a wolf officer WLF. And the
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  Speaker 3: first question essentially is why did you leave your soldiers
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  Speaker 3: to die or why did you kill your soldiers? Implications
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  Speaker 3: that she had to kill soldiers, and it goes into
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  Speaker 3: this story about them trying to get into a hospital
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  Speaker 3: to take the hospital. Essentially, hospitals are really important right now,
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  Speaker 3: I'm assuming, and she talks about how they were clearing it.
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  Speaker 3: It was really empty. It was surprisingly empty. They were
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  Speaker 3: thinking either someone like maybe the seraphi or something was there,
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  Speaker 3: so they were trying to clear it. And what they
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  Speaker 3: discover is that it is so dead like that not
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  Speaker 3: even rats. There's no noise. So that's that clearing uh,
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  Speaker 3: people are doing floor by floor. She gets a call
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  Speaker 3: from Leon. She just says Leon, who she sent to
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  Speaker 3: B two, basement two, and she hears him and his
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  Speaker 3: reaction was like it sounded like he couldn't breathe, she says,
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  Speaker 3: And he says, something's down here. Don't come down here.
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  Speaker 3: I can't breathe. And in this point they are like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: there's something in the air. There's do they actually say
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  Speaker 3: the word spores in this part.
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't say spores, but he says it's in the air.
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  Speaker 3: Seala's in, Yes, it's in the air, and Cela's in
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  Speaker 3: And so she makes a difficult choice of doing so,
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  Speaker 3: and you could tell she's really broken up about it
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  Speaker 3: the officer, and then as we go back to Hanrahan,
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  Speaker 3: she essentially says, we're gonna call We're gonna consider this handled.
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  Speaker 3: You did what you had to do. You saved everybody,
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  Speaker 3: Sorry for the loss of your son, essentially. So it
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  Speaker 3: turns out it was her son that she sailed in.
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  Speaker 3: And then we cut two before we figure out what
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  Speaker 3: really is happening, what is happening, what is in the air,
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  Speaker 3: to Dina and Ellie at the theater which Annie has
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  Speaker 3: gone to dum and Dina's doing some things, ruined, some
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  Speaker 3: things out, you know, And it turns out she tries
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  Speaker 3: to tryangulate the location of Wolfe, specifically Nora, who they
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  Speaker 3: have already said that she was at the hospital, the
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  Speaker 3: aforementioned hospital, and she's trying to try to angulate her
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  Speaker 3: location and make a plan. She's got maps, she got
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  Speaker 3: all these things. Ellie, who as inferred as not the
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  Speaker 3: mostudious of types, I was like, you know, I can help,
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  Speaker 3: and she's like, oh really, well the well can you
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  Speaker 3: do these things? She's like, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 3: go and do them things. But she did turn the
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  Speaker 3: lights on for the theater. She found I'm a generator,
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  Speaker 3: so I thought that's very loud, but hey, you do
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  Speaker 3: you so moving on, so she goes to explore and
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  Speaker 3: look around. Uh, finds the stage with a somewhat good
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  Speaker 3: guitar and gets all the stages. She starts playing some
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  Speaker 3: notes in which Annie starts screaming, oh no, oh no, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and there's tears to be had. Turns out to be
• 7:16
  Speaker 3: a little bit of the Pearl Jam song that obviously
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  Speaker 3: brings up some things in Ellie. Because she can't get
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  Speaker 3: through it, she has to put it back down. We
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  Speaker 3: move on where Dinas has founder. Essentially, I got good news,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I figured out where she was. However, we're
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  Speaker 3: gonna have to go through this area, this building which
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  Speaker 3: seems to be empty but they're assuming has infected. So
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  Speaker 3: we can do this reckless thing, or we don't have
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  Speaker 3: to or whatever whatnot. And as they're preparing to go,
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  Speaker 3: they're like, Ellie's like, yes, we're gonna go, let's do this.
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  Speaker 3: They get a plan together because Ellie, you know, it's
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  Speaker 3: a little bit reckless as she intends, but Dina's got
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  Speaker 3: some plans. She's got we gotta do this, we gotta
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  Speaker 3: do that, We're going to do this. So they get
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  Speaker 3: it all that way. But then as I go, Ellie realizes,
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  Speaker 3: oh my god, oh my god, I've brought you in here.
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  Speaker 3: You're pregnant. I don't know if we should do this.
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  Speaker 3: We can turn around. And at this point is when
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  Speaker 3: Dina shares her story about her family and how she
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  Speaker 3: had a sister and her mother and that she really
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  Speaker 3: wanted to go outside and play. She want to do
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  Speaker 3: these things, and one thing she did, but when she returned,
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  Speaker 3: her mom and her sister were dead. The raider was
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  Speaker 3: still there and there she shot him, and she would
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  Speaker 3: do it again. Essentially, she's like, yep, I don't regret that.
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  Speaker 3: As well as being like eight, she said that, she
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  Speaker 3: said she was eight.
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  Speaker 2: Years eight years old.
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  Speaker 3: She was eight years old when she did this, and
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  Speaker 3: she's like, you know, and I didn't even have to
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  Speaker 3: watch them die they were already dead, So imagining like
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  Speaker 3: watching your person die, being beaten, being forced to watch
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  Speaker 3: them and die, all these things, I would want to
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  Speaker 3: go after them as well, implying that yes, I will
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  Speaker 3: go with you, or I'll turn around with you. But
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  Speaker 3: I understand why you're doing this. I would do it too.
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  Speaker 3: So they're like, all right, let's keep going. And as
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  Speaker 3: they keep going, they go in to this building. At
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  Speaker 3: the building, they see a mural that says feel her Love,
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  Speaker 3: and then you see dead bodies all riddled with bullets
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  Speaker 3: and below with the graffiti fill this. Yeah, really cruel,
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  Speaker 3: and you know they are like like kind of like
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  Speaker 3: having a moment. And then as they walk they're like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: it's really quiet. It's weirdly quiet. What's going on? Famous
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  Speaker 3: last words? As they turn around and see as stalker
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  Speaker 3: and this is where Natalie's like, oh, yeah, these are
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  Speaker 3: the smart ones. They do these things. There's only one
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  Speaker 3: of these, so we can flank them and we'll do
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  Speaker 3: it this way. Has a plan. But then they turn
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  Speaker 3: around and they're like, there's two, there's three, there's four,
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  Speaker 3: there's five. Oh. So Ellie comes up with a new plan.
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  Speaker 3: Sees like a sealed off, secured area that Ena can
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  Speaker 3: go into. She tells her to go in there. She's like,
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  Speaker 3: I can get bitten. I won't die from being bitten.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, she get be ripped apart, because we definitely
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  Speaker 3: see bodies just being torn in half. So you know,
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  Speaker 3: that's that's not a thing you can survive. This is
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  Speaker 3: a whole different type of show. Who knows, but I
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  Speaker 3: do know. I'm just kidding. But so Dina runs and
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  Speaker 3: it gets in there and we have a whole scene
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  Speaker 3: of them going back and forth. I'm like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 3: these things are trying to kill them all and she's
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  Speaker 3: getting bitten and screaming, and all of a sudden we
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  Speaker 3: see a shadow we figure Cafter shoots one of the
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  Speaker 3: infected and it comes through and you don't know who
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  Speaker 3: Quiet is, and you know, Ellie has a moment of
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  Speaker 3: like is that maybe? And then it turns out to
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  Speaker 3: me Jesse. Jesse comes to the hero and grabs them
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  Speaker 3: and runs them out, and like, Ellie's like, I had
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  Speaker 3: a handle and he's like, oh really, oh really, And
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  Speaker 3: then she's trying to have all this conversation. He's like,
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  Speaker 3: do you really think I want to talk to you?
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  Speaker 3: Right now, very real, very real Dina even at one
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  Speaker 3: point she wasn't bitten. She wasn't bitten because there was
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  Speaker 3: that whole moment. So I think that's very significant that
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  Speaker 3: Dena's also trying to help her out. She's like, I
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  Speaker 3: saw her, I saw her. She was never beaten. So
• 10:51
  Speaker 3: they run and then oh boylets are flying at them
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  Speaker 3: because they've made too much noise in that building, and
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  Speaker 3: wolves are coming and they're like, where do we go?
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  Speaker 3: And they run into the woods and they're like, Jesse's like,
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  Speaker 3: they're not going to come in here, and they kind
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  Speaker 3: of sit there and then their correct wolf is like,
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  Speaker 3: we'll stay here. If you shoot see them, come out,
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  Speaker 3: shoot them. Blah blah blah. It turns out that Jesse
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  Speaker 3: tells them that he and Tommy have come to get them.
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  Speaker 3: They came after them the day after they snuck out,
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  Speaker 3: the day after they had Ellie and Dina had left
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  Speaker 3: to come and find them. They split ways to try
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  Speaker 3: to best find their location. Jesse was able to find
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  Speaker 3: the theater and saw the map, so I was able
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  Speaker 3: to figure out where they were. So all this is
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  Speaker 3: while Jesse is very furious.
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  Speaker 2: He is very.
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  Speaker 3: Furious in this moment, and at this time we see
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  Speaker 3: the Seraphites come out having a ritual, and we see
• 11:42
  Speaker 3: them taking a wolf a soldier and disemboweling and hanging
• 11:47
  Speaker 3: them and saying that this is for the greater good,
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  Speaker 3: releasing you really disgusting and really kind of chriss and
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  Speaker 3: you hear because I did not watch. I had to
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  Speaker 3: close my eyes to the point so everybody else saw
• 12:00
  Speaker 3: no good. At that point, we hear the whistles because
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  Speaker 3: Ellie and then we're like trying to figure out what
• 12:08
  Speaker 3: to do. They're still kind of arguing, trying to figure
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  Speaker 3: out how to get out, and that's when we hear
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  Speaker 3: the whistle and an arrow comes and gets Dina in
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  Speaker 3: the leg. Oh no, So Ellie tells Jesse to take
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  Speaker 3: Dina and go to the theater. She would go distract
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  Speaker 3: them and take them a different way. So they split
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  Speaker 3: and all these things happen, and we see Ellie hiding
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  Speaker 3: in the trunk. We assume I don't know because we
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  Speaker 3: don't see Dina or Jesse. After this, we see only
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  Speaker 3: Ellie so across her fingers. At that point, she realizes
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  Speaker 3: they finally left, and as she comes out and she's
• 12:43
  Speaker 3: trying to get to back to the theater. She spots
• 12:46
  Speaker 3: the hospital and she has a moment. You see this
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  Speaker 3: moment of like what do I do? I need to
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  Speaker 3: go to them? Hell no, no, I'm going.
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  Speaker 2: To the hospital.
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  Speaker 3: So she runs to go to the hospital to find Nora.
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  Speaker 3: She makes her way in. At that point, we see
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  Speaker 3: Noura doing all the things cleaning, like I believe, like
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  Speaker 3: clothing and tools, and she's kind of just having her
• 13:08
  Speaker 3: own moment, and you turn and she Ellie goes put
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  Speaker 3: that down, and it's that moment like do you remember me?
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  Speaker 3: So we have a standoff between Ellie and Nora and
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  Speaker 3: Norah there doesn't say much and I was like, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you remember me, you remember my face? I told you
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  Speaker 3: it was going to find you and kill you. And
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  Speaker 3: then Norah's kind of like trying to distract her. She's like,
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry you had to see that. That was one
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  Speaker 3: of the worst things that I have to see and
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  Speaker 3: no one should ever have to see that. Do you
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  Speaker 3: ever think about the screams? I dream about his screams
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  Speaker 3: all the time. It's one of the worst things I've
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  Speaker 3: ever heard. And then she ends that with but that
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  Speaker 3: she got what he deserved and that of course, sends
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  Speaker 3: Ellie off, and it's at that point Nora throws some
• 13:48
  Speaker 3: chemicals in her face and runs, and we have a
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  Speaker 3: whole chase and Norah's screaming about intruder, intruder, and they're
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  Speaker 3: going different ways. People are like doing all the things,
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  Speaker 3: and then all the in Nora's corner, she's like, she
• 14:02
  Speaker 3: realizes that she can go to the elevator shaft and
• 14:05
  Speaker 3: looks at the elevator, jumps into it as the elevator
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  Speaker 3: goes down, and then Ellie follows, and uh oh, Nora
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  Speaker 3: goes into B two what we talked about at first
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  Speaker 3: that had been sealed off completely because of whatever's in
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  Speaker 3: the air. Ellie comes back down as well, and he's
• 14:24
  Speaker 3: trying to figure out what all things and we see
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  Speaker 3: a terrific sight. All of my anxieties around, like spots
• 14:31
  Speaker 3: and polka dots and diseases came out and I'm like,
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: I can't watch this. I get this is a nightmare.
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: I started itching and failing really broke. Anyway, all that
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  Speaker 3: happens and Ellie turns on the light is all red
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  Speaker 3: and this is like for me, I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: she really looks like the character from the game, Ellie,
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: she did a beautiful job. And she comes round and
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: we see Nora at the end of a hallway, coughing,
• 14:56
  Speaker 3: and she's like, you've you killed us both? Are you happy?
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  Speaker 3: We're both dead? And Elly goes, are we are?
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  Speaker 2: We are? We both?
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  Speaker 3: And then and then that's when it clicks with Nora.
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  Speaker 3: And Nora's like, oh my god, it's you. You're the
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  Speaker 3: one they're talking about. You're immune. You're the girl who's immune.
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: And she said, Joe, do you not know what Joel
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: has did? Do you not know what he did? He
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: killed everybody at that hospital, including the only person alive
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: who could turn you into a cure, And that goes
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  Speaker 3: She's like going back and forth, and this is the
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: entire time. Ellie's like, where is Abby? Where is Abby?
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: Tell me where Abby is? Nora's refusing, Nora's refusing, And
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: when she makes that line, Joel killed everyone and she says,
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: Ellie says, I know, grabs a pipe and starts hammering
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  Speaker 3: on Nora. End of that shot. But then we come
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: back to an aftershot where it's like a beautiful scenery
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  Speaker 3: with Ellie asleep, been a knock on the door, and
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  Speaker 3: she's like, come in all happy and okay and Joel, hey, kiddo, insing.
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  Speaker 2: That was excellent.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: I want to watch it again so badly.
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  Speaker 3: You're gonna what do you want to You're gonna, I.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: Know, but I want to do it right now, like
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  Speaker 2: pause recording. I loved it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a really intense episode and weirdly and
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: I'm not you're gonna talk about this. There was a
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: lot more criticism to this episode, saying that it's taking
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: too long. I know, I'm so because I was like, no,
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: but this was the most intense, like on point. Maybe
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. Anyway, what are your thoughts, Annie's your.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: Yes, okay, I have many a thought Yeah, okay. First
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  Speaker 2: of all, yes, this episode is called feel Her Love,
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  Speaker 2: which I do think is relevant in many ways, the
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: obvious one being the Saraphites worship this prophet who we
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: do not know much about at this point other than
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: they believe she predicted the pandemic, and.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: So I wonder if the profit is based off the
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: woman who the doctor they brought in. I don't know why.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: That just hit me, well, like that would be interesting.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: It could be you.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: Know that cold opening where she was the one the
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: first one to like, really, yeah, I guess experiment research
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: and she was like and she ran yeah.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: I mean it could be. Uh, you don't really find
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: out too much about her. I don't think we're going
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: to find out much about her in the show, to
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: be honest. But in the game, you basically find out
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: about her from so you can find notes in artifacts,
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: like all the newspapers and things like that while you're playing,
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: and so you can find out about her from that.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: But also she gets like sometimes you'll find places where
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: people have left wishes or prayers to her, and you
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: can learn about her kind of through that. So we've
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: got her. She died, and she did meet Isaac in
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: the game. They were a quainted so that's one obvious
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: feel her love. But then I feel like it's also
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: kind of we've got Ellie and Dina going with their
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: relationship but also being open about how violent their past
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: has been and maybe what they want is. And then
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: we've got Ellie at the end having this real brutal,
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: brutal moment, so that is what it's called. And we
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: are seeing more of the Seraphyite Wolf battle. So that
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: graffiti that you describe Samantha that said fill her love,
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: and then underneath it said feel this. That's where they
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: found all the bodies of a bunch of seraphytes underneath,
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: and that's when Ellie was like, what am I thinking?
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: We should turn around? Which, by the way, she never
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: had that moment in the game. But also in the game,
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: do you know, is mostly sidelined by morning sits, So
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: she wasn't really there for that part. She was the
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: person like on your radio and doing the map stuff.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: She did all that, but she wasn't with you for
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: what This would be day two in Seattle, which is
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: the longest day. So yeah, I disagree with those people
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: who say it's moving too quick. But anyway, the Seraphytes
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: believe that the infected are like God punishment for humanity
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: for whatever they did. They askew modern technology because of this,
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: and they believe that in doing that disemboweling ceremony ritual
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: that they were doing that they were removing sin and
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: in its act of mercy, which by the way, so
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: I've mentioned before, they really gas lit a bunch of
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: people with the trailers of the game. One came out
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: and it was basically Ellie playing guitar and there's a
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: bunch of dead bodies around her, and then Joel comes
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: into the door and it's like, what are you doing, kiddo,
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: but there's all this white light. Everybody was like, oh,
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Joel dies. And so then they really reversed, and then
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: they put Jesse in the place of Joel and made
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: us think whatever. But one trailer they released was this
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: entire scene where you see for the first time the
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: seraphytes disemboweling somebody. And then well, I can't say, but
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: we at this point a bunch of speculation rang out
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: about this group, and a lot of people we included
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: thought Abby was Ellie's mom and she'd gotten involved in
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: this cult. So it's just interesting to me to look
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: at it now and be like, no, that was we
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: were way off. We were way off of that one. Also,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: the whistles, so this part of the game is really,
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: really scary. It's one of the scariest parts of the
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: game to me because basically Ellie's just had a horrible time.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: You go through the convention Center, which I'm not sure
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: if that's what they were saying that long building they
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: cut through us, but the Seattle Convention Center and you
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: run into clickers and stalkers, and eventually you get shoved
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: out a window and then you fall into the river
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: and you end up in the sewer system. It's a
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: whole thing. It's a whole thing. But you come up
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: and you're at this park and it seems cool, seems good.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: You're just moving along and then you hear this whistle
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: and then you get shot with an arrow Ellie and
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: it's out of nowhere, and that's when they introduce the
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: function where you have to if you don't break out
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: the arrow and take care of it, it will kill you. Yeah,
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: So that was the difference between the game and show.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Ellie gets shot, but if you want, no one wants to.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: But if you do, somebody has deciphered the whistles that
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: the serifies do and so you can look it up
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: and it's actually helpful when you're playing the game because
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: you can tell, oh, they know I'm here.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: I got it level study to not get shot.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Yes, Well, the thing is in the show, Ellie doesn't
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: kill anybody. She hides in that tree trunk. But in
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: the game it's very very hard not to kill anybody
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: because they have this whistle system. So like, if you
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: get seen, they start whistling, they all know you're there,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: and they all converge on you. It's a very difficult
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: part of the game. I was watching an Easter Egg
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: video which shout out to everybody who makes those within
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: like five hours of the episode coming out. But they
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: were saying like that is probably the most one of
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: the most difficult things for newcomer to this kind of
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: genre is that section, because if they hear you you've
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: done four, you've done messed up. Yeah, it's not good.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: It's not good at all, Samantha. But also this is
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: They kind of touched on this more in the when
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: they're interviewing the creators afterwards after the show. But this
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: is sort of an example of what they were talking
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: about in the last episode with the extremism and the
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: radicalization and this sort of well, you killed this many people,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: so I'm going to kill this many people. This feel
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: her love feel this. It's a very violent reciprocal thing
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: that is happening that we're seeing, and it's also celebrating violence.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: And I thought this was interesting because I mentioned in
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: the last episode we did I cry a lot when
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: I play these. I also don't like revenge stories that
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: much and that might be giving you pause and maybe
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: that's a spoiler enough. But so this scene in the
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: game where Ellie kills Nouram, I cry almost every time
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: I play it. It is miserable you have to do it,
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: and it makes you like press the button to do
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: it over and over and over. It's horrible. And almost
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: everyone I know who played the game had to stop
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: at that point and like, go outside, Arla, do something else.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: And so this is really interesting to me because they've
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: seen a lot of reactions to the show and they're like, yeah,
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: get her very I'm curious. I'm curious what it will be.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: But that kind of celebrating violence is sort of the
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: reason I don't like a lot of revenge stuff. It
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: just makes me uncomfortable.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: But I'm wondering if that's I mean, honestly, I think
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: that's the main point part, Like people are like, this
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: doesn't hit nearly as well as the game, Like they're
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: trying their best, but it never will because you're watching
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: it as a show and not playing it as the player, right,
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: which is kind of that mention.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, and I think that, I mean, I
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: think it's it was still very upseting, but it's just
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: it is different when you're playing it and you have
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: to be like, I don't want to do this. I
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: don't want to do this anymore. That was That was
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: a miserable. That was Yeah, I had to stop. I
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: had to stop, and I hate stopping video games. I
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: want to know how the story goes. But also, yes,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: this is the thing that I'm honestly not entirely sure
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: why people are so into. But the introduction of spores.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: So we do get the spores in this episode. They
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: were in the game. I don't they didn't include them
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: in the show. I believe for two main reasons. Masks
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: over actors face all the time is not the most
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: cinematic thing. But also, I think I talked about this
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: in the first season. In the game, it's kind of
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: clear this is a spor area and this is not
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: a spore area. But if you kind of extrapolate out
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: from that, why how do I know that, Like it
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: could be in the air right now. So I think
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: that's one reason they haven't introduced them yet. I do
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: think that's also a reason they were like, it is
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: in this area, right it hasn't come out through the events.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: This is where it is. But we do get that
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: really heartbreaking scene which I thought was great of han
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Rahn kind of interrogating Eliza. I believe her name was
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: about this, and we don't know as the viewer until
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: the end that Leon is her son, and so that
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: was a really good review. But you could tell and
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Eliza mentioned Leon, hand Rahann became much more like, oh, okay,
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: so this wasn't a treason.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: This thing.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: This was a real bad thing that just happened. Very serious.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: But this is another area where you're kind of going
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: back to the beginning because this hospital was ground zero
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: for Seattle and for a lot of places. So when
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: you explore this hospital, you can find a lot of
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: notes about, oh, we don't know what to do. No
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: one's telling us anything from doctors, nurses, patients, all that stuff.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: And then so many people were dying. They put them
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: in the basement and they didn't know it was really contagious,
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: so they didn't know. But then they piled them on
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: top of each other and they sort of became this mass.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: But this like, we're going back to the beginning, and
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: the episode does that too, because you go back to
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: that same space where you started. But yeah, and you
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: can tell. It's horrifying because you don't really have this
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: in the game, but having the people who are breathing
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: out the spores and who are just sort of being
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: used to breathe out the spores. One of them is Leon,
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: but one of them is somebody in scrubs who's presumably
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: been there since at break day. That's hm, that's horrible.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: That's horrible. It's also clearly a very quick infection because
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: when Eliza's telling story, she says, you know, five minutes
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: had passed between Leon saying he was okay to oh no,
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: seal it. Oh. So that's scary. Also, this made me
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: think of one of the greatest friend actions you've ever
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: done for me, Samantha, when we went to the Hunted
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: the Last of Us Haunted House in La they had spores.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: They had like a little you would walk in a
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: room and you could see the sports and it was
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: really cool. It was a really cool effect. But also
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: our friend Marissa, she one time we were playing this
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: game and she got an idea and if you know Marissa,
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: let me tell you, when she gets an idea, it
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: is there. And she wanted to do a Haunted house
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: of this part the hospital. She was like, this is it.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Here's how we're.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: Going to do. I have a plan, this is what
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: we're doing.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Oh And we kept like kind of moving on and
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: then she would suddenly be like, but we could also
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: do it was great, It was great. But also, this
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: is what Ellie sees in the basement is a very
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: advanced stage of infection. And we've seen some of those stages.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: You've got your runners, you got your Stockers, the smart one,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: you got air bloater. This is a different thing. They do.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: The infected adapt based on environment. So if you're near water,
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: they look and act differently, if you're near snow, they
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: look and act differently. I hate to do it, but
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: I got to do it. They're really teasing this Ratking thing.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: So when Ellie turns on the power this is a
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: horrible idea in the game. You turn on that generator,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: they all be coming.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: That's so low, That's what I'm saying this, Why would
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: you do this?
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Yes, but I've mentioned in the game you can hear
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: the rat King if you know what you're listening for.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: There is something that sounds like it. They do have
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: the same soundscaping, but I don't I think it's a
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: reach to say it's actually the rat King, but we
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: must we must acknowledge B one, B two, what's in
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: B three. Yeah, this is not the end of the
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: hospital for sure. This also, okay, brings us to Dina's pregnancy.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: Like I said, she's handling it way better than she
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: did in the game. She was like so sick with
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: morning sickness all of the time. But we get this
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: story of her first kill in response to Ellie being like,
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: I shouldn't have brought you here when I was thinking
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: she has a story like that in the game that
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: she mentions in passing and it's after So in the game,
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Tommy went first and then Ellie and Dina follow after
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Tommy and they find it's in that but hotel that
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: you stated that I didn't get to go to Hotels Wind.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: It was like a three day later where I was like, yeah,
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: we just went to say that this really nice and
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: sell You're like what.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: I was like, what it's like the only location on
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: my last one was two map I didn't go to
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: and so.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: We did it vicariously for you too.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: But anyway, you go in there and you find these
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: bodies who have been tortured in the way that you
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: know Joel does it from the first game, and Ellie's like, oh,
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: it was Tommy and this is how it works. And
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: later she says to Tina, I hope you're not judging
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Tommy too harshly for this, and Dina says, no, if
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: I had the people who killed my sister tied to
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: a chair and would have done worse. So that's kind
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: of the extent of what she says, but it is
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: like another the reminder of the whole, like trauma on
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: top of trauma, because she says like, it doesn't matter
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: if if my family had done something something to them first,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: would I have cared? No, But then you're creating that
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: trauma for someone else, so it just keep keeps going.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: But she did give Ellie the choice where she was like,
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: I will go back if you want. I'll keep going
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: if you want, which I thought was interesting because so
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: far she has been much more into the let's avenged
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: ol thing than she is in the game. But she
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: did she was like, if I die, that's on me.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Take that out of the equation. Do you want to
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: keep going? I will go And I love that scene.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Bella Ramsay did so great in that scene because Ellie
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: is like, yeah, I do, let's keep going. But this
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: is this is where so many of the like moral
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: quandaries and arguments of the last one was coming, because
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: you're like, well, Abby saw this thing, and she did this,
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: and Ellie wasn't supposed to be there, but they did
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: do it even though Ellie was there, Like you just
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: get stuck in the cycle of dns. But Dina does
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: say I would have hunted him down forever, which I'm
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: just gonna say is very ominous. Also, yes, Dina is
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: your map person. She is the best. They've really leaned
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: into this whole dynamic of Dina being the smart one
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: and Ellie being the barn and she is I mean
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: in a game, she is. She's the one that's making
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: the plays and like, no, we shouldn't do this, but
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: they've really leaned into it. In the show. They also
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: have a moment they don't have in the game where
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Dina says, you know, you're kind of crazy, but that's
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: why I love you, and Ellie's like, oh love me,
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: which is very sweet, very see once again feel her love,
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: but also once again fear of ending up alone, which
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: is Ellie's biggest fear, and I think this is kind
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: of why she is going back and forth about Dina
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: and pretty much sacrificing herself. At that scene with the Stalkers,
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: she was like, yeah, if one of us can live,
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: I want you to live. So we have that, then, yes,
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: we do have the theater. The theater, as we've said,
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: is like your bass. It's really visually interesting. I love it.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: And Ellie plays the song the song which is Future
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Days by Pearl Jam, and by the way, Pearl Jam
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: not only loves this, has given their full signature on it,
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: they are releasing a Last of Us album.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: They did a pre release immediately after this episode. Like
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: I saw that from someone who was like a giant
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: fan of Pearl Jam, was like, what the hell, why
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: would you exploit this?
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: I just bought it. I'm like, you do it, man.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: I love it. And the song at the end of
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: the credits is present sense. It's Pearl Jim song. Yeah yeah,
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: but anyway, the song in question, future Days I'd Surely
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: Lose Myself, is the song they used in the main
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: trailer for the second season, but it is a song
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: that is like the heart of a lot of the game.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: It is a through line throughout. As we've said, Ellie
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: clearly has this connection to music. A part of her
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: connects to it because of Joel, and Joel taught her
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: how to play the guitar and he taught her this.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: And when she is singing it, she can't finish it, like,
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: can't even get through the first line. And if you
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: haven't heard this song, she says, basically, if I ever
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: were to lose you, I'd surely lose myself. So she
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: tries to sing that and then she can't. Oh that song.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: I don't think that song will ever. There's a lot
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: of her Oh God, yes, I think we Then we
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: have the maybe not that's different question, different quote.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we've seen things we've seen. Then Nora say, we
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: let you survive.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Uh, she says, we let you live, we let you live.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so we've got something that says we let you live,
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: not not dot Yeah, but not that one.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it gets me. I remember we were in Seattle
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: when that trailer came out and I texted you and
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: your partner and I was just like the sad crying
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: face and your partner was like it was the song,
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: wasn't it? And I was like, Yes, it's gonna be.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be throughout and I do love it. Anyway,
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: we also get the introduction the reintroduction of Jesse and Tommy.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: As mentioned, Tommy and the game is already causing chaos,
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: and here it's implied Jesse. It's implied. It's said Jesse
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: and Tommy split up and they're gonna meet Tommy in
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: the morning and then go back to Jackson, to which
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Ellie is like, oh what, no thanks, And then Dina
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: interestingly is like Ellie because I think she realized they
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: almost died right there. They've bitten off more than they
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: can chew and they can't do this. But Ellie is
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: like nope. But Jesse does come back, kind of similarly
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: in the games. It's actually really cool scene. They couldn't
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: have done it in the show, but it was a
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: really cool like the car is going out of control
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: and you're fighting, and anyway, I am very happy he
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: showed up. And they also did the thing I mentioned,
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: which is in the trailers or they were gaslighting all
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: of us, or they made you think that Joel survived
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: and it was Jesse at that point where Ellie thinks
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: she's hurt and she's kind of not seeing straight and
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: she sees Jesse she thinks it's Joel for a minute,
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: and that I think is a throwback too. Yeah, we
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: remember what we did. You we haven't forgotten. I know
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: you haven't, but I do, like I don't know, Like
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: I said, I just really like the dynamic between Jesse, Dina,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: and Ellie. I think it's really interesting. I like that
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: there's no real enemy, even if they get mad at
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: each other, and in here, I really think it's interesting
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: that Ellie is jealous that Jesse protected Dina where Ellie couldn't,
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: and he's mad because he's like, this could have been
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: completely prevented. This was so ridiculous. And as we mentioned,
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: we don't know how he voted in that council mode,
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: but we suspect he said no. So it's just a
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: really interesting dynamic that I enjoy. This is also where
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: you kind of as a player in the game. You
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: start getting through the walkie talkie, you start hearing rumors
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: of an intruder and outsider who you presume to be
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: yourself Ellie, but then is Tommy and Jesse and you,
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: but there's like all this stuff. You're the chattery you're
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: hearing on the radio and they're freaking out. But okay,
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: this brings us to Nora's death. The big thing of
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: this episode. As I said, this was a devastating This
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: was devastating in the game, everybody, I know how to
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: pause it and stop. And you get the scene where
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: you see Ellie choosing this revenge on Nora and Abby
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: over Dina and Jesse because she doesn't know Dina and
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: Jesse are safe. We don't know, we don't know. She
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: just saw the hospital thought about it. It was like,
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: I'm going, I'm gonna get Nora, and they have that
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: really intense conversation which is pretty much lined for line
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: and have the chase is pretty much just like the game.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: And I had to use your partner a lot because
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: he dies at places I assume you could never die,
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: but I did diet this part and I didn't know
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: you could, so I'll give him that. Basically, if you
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: don't follow her quickly enough, she's throwing a lot of
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: like roadblocks at you, you lose. It's not necessarily you die,
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: it's just like you up. So that's the end of that, right,
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: But it's I think one of the reasons. It's so painful,
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: is what Nora said was awful. It was like really terrible,
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: and you chase her and you're just filled with this
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: righteous rage and then you find her and you're standing
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: over her in this red light and you have this
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: steel pipe that looks like a golf club purposely, and
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: it's this character that you played when she was like
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: a child and she was, you know, making these puns
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: and still very dangerous but relatively innocent for this world.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: And to see this like transformation just horrible. There's a
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: there's a great like gift you can find of the
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: way her face transforms and that like rage. And then
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: it's just focused on her face, on Ellie's face, and
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: you just see how far she's willing to go, and
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: you just have to keep swinging, and she does. Ellie
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: goes for the legs like they did. But Joel, which
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: is pretty it's it's awful. It's awful. It's especially awful
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: because when you think about it, Norah. Norah at this
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: point is the only one that knows Ellie was immune.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: She's the only one that even believed it might be possible.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: So she dies knowing more of the gravity of Joel's
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: actions than the rest than the rest do, and I
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: do think it's interesting. One of the things I like
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: about the second game is that Ellie kind of leans
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: into her superpower being immune. They're definitely leaning into it
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: more in the show because she's got bitten so many times,
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: but like in the game, it is cool to kind
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: of see her be like, bite me, go ahead. But
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: they're really really leaning leaning into it here, and to
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: have Nora have that realization of like, oh wow, this
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: could have been what could have been? Oh my gosh,
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, and just the you know, at this point,
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: probably nobody's gonna even try anymore. There are no more fireflies,
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: there's there's so it's just really painful. It's like such
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: a painful thing. And like I said, I was she
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: said that, I was like, I'll get her, but then
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: it got me to this point it was like, do
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: you really want to do it? I was like, no,
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: but I have to. And it's just yep. And also
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: we get something information that we've all been wondering about,
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: which is Ellie knew what Joel did. I've rered Bella
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Ramsay say that Ellie knew the first the first lie
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: but was willing to let it go because of the
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: fear of being alone. And then it just you know,
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: built up. But this is the point in the game
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: where you find out, oh, it was fireflies, I see.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: But she says, you know, very like I don't care.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: I know, she's not showing any signs of empathy, and
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: it just feels to me, again, the acting's fantastic, but
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: it feels to me like she's reliving that trauma in
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: her head. She's seeing Joel die in her head, and
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: she's re enacting it in what she thinks will be
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: something that will make her feel better, which sounds a
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: little bit like happy being kind of stuck in that
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: in that trauma. There are several parallels we see in
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: this episode between Joel and Ellie. Once somebody pointed out
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: to me the other day that I was like, oh, yeah,
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: you're right. It's one of those kind of arrogance of
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: I see how many wolves there are, I don't care,
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: I'll take them on. And then Joel kind of being like,
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: wait a minute, a whole hospital full of fireflies going in,
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: so we kind of got that, and then the whole
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: the motif of the basement, the red lighting the monster
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: and Ellie having that really dark revenge moment in that scene.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: I think it's pretty telling if you think about the
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: if you watch the coming up next things like I do.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: At the end of that, Joel says, remember what I
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: taught you, and I it feels kind of like, maybe
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: not the things you wish she would have remembered, but
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: she does remember the thing she taught you. But yeah,
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: they her and Dina almost died for this revenge. And
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: as as I say in every episode we do of this,
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: it's the cost. What are you willing to pay? And
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: so I think it's interesting that I both think it's
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: like giving Dina agency, but it's interesting that Ellie is
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: willing to lose Dina, even though it was Dina being like,
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: I'll do what you want to do. I'm ready. But
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: I do think that's interesting. And Okay, I feel like
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: I've addressed most of these, but the game differences morning
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: sickness with Dina, that's a big one, the arrow with Ellie,
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: Jesse's arrival, and then the whole Tommy situation on which
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: I'm very curious, yeah, very curious about random Summer, the horse.
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: I Know, Where's you know what? I'd rather just not
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: remember the horse. Well.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: I feel like the official Last of Us page released
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: like a video about it, and it was just the
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: horse chilling so.
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: Good in the area, just hanging out with the records.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: All good.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: Yes, I did want to briefly mention I know probably
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: a lot of you have seen it. There's been a
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: lot of review bombing of this show. I'm not surprised.
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: Disappointed as always, but I'm not at all surprised the game.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: When Joel died in the game, it's often called the
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: death that broke the Internet. It was bad, it was
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: real bad. I don't like it, but I'm just not
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm not surprised by it. I also
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: read something recently that said a lot of and you
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: were it's strange because it's kind of like, what is
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: this about? But like a lot of the things in
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: our lives entertainment wise that feel very one sided are
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: like eighty percent bots, which sucks because I was telling
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: you there's a whole thing about rotten tomatoes and can't
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: trust that anymore. That's for a different episode, but I
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: did I have found it interesting. I call it the
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: unholy matrimony of gamer Gate. Ros and pedro fangirls because
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: Pedro fangirls are there. You got up in there, didn't Oh? Well, yeah,
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: I don't know how serious it is. I've read a
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: couple things about it, and I saw again I can't
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: get any layout of the land of eighty percent of
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: its bots, but I do know that some of that
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: does exist. Some of it I think is jokingly. But anyway,
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: that segues into the next thing. Naughty Dog, which is
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: the company behind the Last of Us, has started this
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: new thing where they boot camp that's what they call it,
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: boot camping new actors because they know this kind of
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: backlash and hatred exists. I've always wondered about this because sometimes,
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: you know, like they had with Abby, they had to
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: be like this is going to happen, and it's been
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: a big conversation about protecting actors who play these characters
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: or what have you, and how a lot of studios
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: haven't been great at it. So I don't know. I mean,
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: it's one of those things where I've always been curious
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: about that. But it does suck that has to be
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: a thing at all, Yeah, But if it has to
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: be a thing at all, I would prefer they're at
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: least trying to do something about it. Right. Oh good
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: h Anyway, the next episode looks like we're getting the
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: flashbacks that we mentioned, right, which is different than the
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: game where they came kind of sporadically. I think you're
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: going to put them in one episode. So if you've
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: been missing Pedro Pascal, unless they're gaslighting us once again
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: once again, then the next episode, I'm excited. I'm excited.
• 53:35
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• 53:39
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• 53:44
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