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⚕️ Tom Haviland on COVID-19 Clot Findings, Military Mandates & the Urgent Call for Medical Transparency | Michael Jaco · Unleashing Intuition Secrets

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  Hello everyone.
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  It's Michael Jaco with Unleashing Intuition Secrets.
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  Very special, uh, guest with us today.
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  Tom Havelin retired, uh, well not retired.
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  He got retired from the US Air Force major in the U US Air Force.
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  Uh, he spoke out about deadly clotting of side effects of COVID vaccines,
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  long white fibrous clots, which has been suspect, suspected of causing
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  the sudden deaths of young people and old people who have been jabbed.
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  For that reason, Halen stood up against President Biden's military
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  vaccine mandate, which I couldn't believe that the military went
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  ahead with that, but they did.
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  And forcing the major to retire, uh, a recent e bomber survey exposed.
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  Many in the profession have seen a huge increase in the white fibers, clots inside
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  bodies on which they have worked on.
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  Uh, and I remember very early on, I know you have, uh, the one gentleman
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  from the uk which spoke up very early on, I was gonna have him on my show
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  and he and his family decided, no, we're not gonna put this out anymore.
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  'cause we're getting a lot of pushback.
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  Oh my God.
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  So they, they went silent for a while and then finally came out.
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  So I'm really happy, uh, that you're able to get these embalmers to speak out
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  and you're you've done some articles and so forth that really have revealed and
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  that's what really brought us together.
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  I saw one of your articles and it was like, fantastic.
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  All the information that you shared.
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  So thank you so much for coming on.
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  Well Michael, thanks for having me.
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  And you know, this is what we're talking about today.
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  These are these unusual white fibrous clots that embalmers
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  with 20 or 30 years of experience Michael have never seen before.
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  Until 2021 after the rollout of the COVID to 19 vaccines.
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  Here's another one right here.
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  This one here is a five and a half inch clot, Michael.
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  It's about half an inch wide.
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  This particular one was taken outta the abdominal aorta.
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  It's one of the largest blood vessels in the bodies.
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  And the emal, like I said, the before COVID and, and the vaccines, they
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  would see two primary types of clots.
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  What they call chick chicken fat clots, which are a small and yellowish
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  in color and tear very easily.
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  And also traditional grape jelly clots.
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  They look like just dark grape jelly dissolve easily in your hands.
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  Much different than these large white fibers, clots that are tough and rubbery.
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  Like I said, the EB never saw this phenomenon before until.
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  Actually a few of them did see it in 2020, which is interesting.
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  This year we had COVID but no vaccines yet.
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  Hmm.
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  And that makes some sense because there's a spike protein on the
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  surface of the virus itself.
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  Yeah.
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  And we believe that spike protein is causing these white virus CLOs to form.
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  But then the number of revolvers that saw the phenomenon exploded in
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  2021 after roll out of the vaccines.
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  And that makes sense too, right?
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  Because the, the vaccine was supposed to stay in your deltoid
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  muscle in your upper arm Right.
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  And produce just enough of the spike protein to elicit to immune response
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  for just a couple days to a week.
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  And then it was supposed to stop that.
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  Get you ready for COVID, you're all set.
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  We know now that's not what happened at all.
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  Right.
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  These, the, uh, lipid nano particles from that vaccine carry it all over the body.
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  It continues to produce this spike protein, not just for a couple days to
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  a week, but they have found it producing the spike protein for months, even years
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  after the last person's last injection.
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  So the scientists that I've talked to believe that it's supercharged.
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  The formation of these white fibers, clots with a lot more spike
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  protein coming from the vaccine.
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  Wow, that's incredible.
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  And uh, you know, you, there was one article where you
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  said Uhto clo catastrophe.
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  Yeah, CLO Catastrophe.
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  That's our affectionate name.
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  It's a play on the word catastrophe.
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  We call it a clot catastrophe, obviously.
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  And
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  2025 worldwide embalmer clot, blood clot survey.
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  So you've been doing these for a couple years now.
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  What drew you
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  four
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  years?
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  Three years, huh?
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  Wow.
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  Four, four years.
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  That
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  20, 22, 23, 24, and 25.
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  Wow.
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  Yeah.
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  What drew you to that?
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  Initially,
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  As you said, I was, uh, I was actually, I hung up my uniform
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  did 20 years in the Air Force.
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  I was on my 16th year as a defense contractor working a
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  right parish and Air Force base.
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  Ohio.
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  And in October, 2021, as you've mentioned, Joe Biden's mandates came
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  down not just for the military and the government civilians, but also
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  defense contractors, of which I was one.
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  Okay?
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  And I said, I'm not taking this jab because like it was
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  an experimental gene therapy.
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  We didn't know much about it.
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  I'd already done some research and saw it from, um, our own.
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  CDC wasn't putting out good out, out, good information.
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  But their counterpart in the UK was they, their public health England and
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  Public Health England had a document out called SARS Cov to two Variance
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  of Concern, technical Briefing 23.
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  It was dated SE 17, September of 2021.
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  And in table five in that document on pages 19 and 20, it showed hundreds
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  of thousands of cases, breakthrough cases of COVID amongst the fully
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  vaccinated by the early fall of 2021.
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  At the very same time that Fauci and Birch were telling us here, Hey, this
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  is a pandemic of the unvaccinated.
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  So they were, they were lying to us, and they knew they were lying to us.
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  And I also knew that it, you know, it violated the Berg code, right?
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  You're, that you, when you, you're gonna participate in an experi, an experiment
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  that needs to be voluntary, not mandatory.
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  And the people should have what's called informed consent.
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  For example, they should know how long the duration of the experiment's gonna be.
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  Not that we're gonna give you two shots and then, oops that's not gonna work.
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  We're gonna have to give you endless boosters on top of it.
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  So, you know, and people need to know about potential side effects as well, like
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  these white fibers, clots, turbo cancers, you know, miscarriages, et cetera.
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  So they were giving that shot blindly to people, and it was just very unethical.
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  So I decided, uh, Michael, that I wasn't gonna take it.
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  And a three Star General had sent out an email to the entire base
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  telling us the dates we had to either get the shop by or get kicked out.
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  And he tried to guilt those of us who hadn't taken the jab yet into taking it.
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  And I sent him back an email, Michael.
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  I said, remember, this is a three star Air Force General.
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  I said, shame on you.
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  You failed us.
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  Instead of standing up for our right to decide for ourselves whether or
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  not to take an experimental drug, you chose to spend your time trying
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  to guilt us into taking the jab.
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  Shame on you.
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  I,
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  and I didn't just send the email to him, I CC'd all 30,000 people that work
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  at Wright Patterson Air Force Base.
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  So I knew what was gonna happen.
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  I got a call from my defense contractor boss a half hour later.
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  I was fired from my $165,000 a year job for shaming the Air Force three
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  star in front of the entire base.
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  But Michael, somebody had to do it.
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  None of the colonels, none of the generals were pushing back on this.
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  They were just going, you know, they were like little tyrants themselves
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  just going right along with it.
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  Yes, men.
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  Ah.
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  Crazy.
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  And, uh, you know, I, for being a Navy Seal and, uh, then working at the CIA
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  for, you know, 35 years, both of them, uh, we knew that the next big attack
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  was gonna be a bio weapon attack.
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  We, we were already planning for it for many, many years, and
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  then when we saw this coming out, we were all like, this is it.
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  This is it.
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  Uh, but as time went on, we started to see there were some
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  anomalies that didn't quite fit.
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  And, uh, and then I started calling out very early on that this is not
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  the, what they have you know, shown us.
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  And, you know, there's, there's ways you can overcome this hydroxychloroquine and
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  you can make your own, uh, that got taken down and then, uh, uh, all the different
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  things that we're trying to, uh, inform people of, they kept trying to shut down.
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  And that was an indicator that they were controlling the narrative
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  and they wanted this thing to get blown up out of proportion.
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  Yeah.
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  In fact, the military guys that I talked to, you said the, the tactics they used
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  in the military were, they brought you into the commander's office by yourself.
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  They, you know, say, Hey, why aren't you getting this shot?
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  You know, be your, your rest of your guys are getting it, why aren't you?
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  So, you know, they tried to make you feel like you're the odd ball out.
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  They isolated you and they used, you know, various, of course, article fifteens as
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  a tactic threatening to kick you out.
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  And I understand, you know, there's guys and gals that have 15, 18, 19
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  years in and they don't wanna leave your retirement on the table, you know, by
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  getting kicked out for not taking the jab.
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  So a lot, there was a lot of pressure put on people in the
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  military to take those vaccines.
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  Unfortunately.
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  Yeah, there, there was some good pushback.
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  Uh, we had, uh, you know, after, unfortunately after the shock
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  came out, uh, Senator Ron Johnson, uh, did, did some surveys of the
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  military and saw that there was.
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  Catastrophes happening with people that had gotten the vaccination that should
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  have like, been all stopped for the military, but they kept pushing it.
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  Uh, what, what happened?
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  Even you have a senator that's like putting this out to the press and
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  they still like over overruled it.
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  It's crazy.
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  Yeah, I, I've met, uh, Senator Johnson a couple times.
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  In fact, last May, Dr. Peter McCall asked me to come to Washington DC when he
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  testified in front of, uh, Senator Johnson and talked about the myocarditis issue.
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  But Johnson and him also brought up the white fibrous clot issue.
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  And when he did that, I stood up in front of the audience and held these
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  up along with this one as well, to show the entire room what we were talking
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  about in terms of the white fibers, clots, and that particular side effect.
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  The, though, unfortunately, though, there are very few of our politicians have
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  really, you know, weighed in on this and supported Johnson in those efforts too.
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  Unveil what's really happening.
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  'cause people are afraid to talk.
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  You know, according to our CDC, 80% of American adults over the age of
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  18 took at least the first two jabs.
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  So there's a lot of cognitive dissonance going on out there.
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  People may not know, wanna know the answers to these questions
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  about what might be inside them, you know, due to these vaccines.
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  Yeah.
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  That's part of the problem.
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  So,
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  so when,
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  so we're
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  building
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  Go
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  ahead.
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  Go ahead.
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  I was gonna say, when I got fired from my job, when I got fired
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  from my job, the next thing I did, Michael, is something kind of strange
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  I took to the streets, actually.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  I, I, I held a sign close to the Air Force base for about a whole year.
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  After that incident?
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  Yeah.
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  From the fall of 2021 through the fall of 2022 for about 120 days, I have a
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  big sign that said no vaccine mandate.
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  Close to the Air Force base at a huge intersection where there's like,
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  you know, a Red Lobster, a Best Buy, a Lowe's a Walmart and you know,
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  two lane, uh, four lanes of traffic going each way, two turn lanes.
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  And I probably saw about half a million cars go by during the 600 hours or so
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  that I stood out there with that sign.
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  And I'd say out of every 100 cars that went by, about 60%
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  of the people did nothing.
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  They did no reaction whatsoever.
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  I call 'em the mushy middle and actually wound up most of them
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  actually took the vaccines.
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  Yeah, about 70% of America did.
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  Yeah.
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  There was another 20% that loved my sign and they honked
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  their horn, said, right on man.
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  You should decide for yourself.
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  But Michael, there was 20% that hated me.
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  They said, F you get the shot, you're killing grandma.
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  There's even a few that pretended to swerve their car and hit me.
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  'cause I was standing down close to the curb.
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  So, and well the funny thing was, is even as we went further and further
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  into that, into 2022, and we learned more about the vaccines, they weren't
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  stopping you from catching COVID or, you know, transmitting it to others.
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  When started hearing more about these nasty side effects,
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  that 20% never changed.
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  They were locked into a mass formation psychosis, you know, and they just,
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  and they were, they became the, like the little tyrants, right?
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  The ones that told us, Hey, put your mask on above your nose,
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  you know, go get the shot.
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  You know those people I'm talking about.
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  Right.
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  Yeah, they went, they went full Nazi.
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  It was, it was sad.
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  But it's that psychosis you talk about.
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  You know, it was hard for me to do that, by the way.
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  It was, it was a little embarrassing the first couple times
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  I went down there with a sign.
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  I've never, I never protest.
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  I was always a good soldier.
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  I always followed my orders on my bosses and stuff.
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  Sure.
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  In fact, my wife, she would get a few calls from her girlfriend saying,
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  Hey, uh, I saw your husband down there at the corner with a sign.
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  Is everything okay with Tom?
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  So, but I was just, like I said, I was trying to show support for the troops
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  and also, you know, maybe get a mom or a dad or two not to jab up their
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  kids, make 'em think about it before they give the objections to their kids.
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  So, but then things change in the fall of 2022.
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  Uh, the week of Thanksgiving, November of 2022, Michael, I
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  watched that movie died suddenly.
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  I'm sure you've probably seen it too.
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  Oh yeah.
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  For your viewers that don't know, it's about an hour long documentary.
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  You can still find it on Rumble and about half of that film is devoted
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  to these six or seven embalmers that said they were seeing these unusual
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  white fibers clocks in their corpses.
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  And there was an amazing statement made at the 13 minute and 15 second
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  mark in that movie, a, uh, embalmer from the state of Indiana, Mr. Wallace
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  Hooker, he was lecturing to a, uh, bunch of embalmers in Ohio Embalmer
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  Association conference in Columbus, Ohio on the 26th of October in 2022.
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  And he was he showed him photographs of these white fibers, clots that he had
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  been pulling outta his corpses for about the last year and a half at that time.
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  And he said, by a show of hands, how many of you are seeing these same clots?
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  And he said, almost the entire room of 100.
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  And Ballers raised their hands.
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  Yes.
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  Wow.
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  He then asked him, well, when did you start seeing them?
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  And they all agreed.
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  It was in the middle of 2021, about six months after the
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  COVID vaccines rolled out.
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  So whatever else happened in that movie, and I know that there was some
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  problems in that movie with some of the footage, but whatever else happened, that
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  statement's either true or false, right?
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  Either those embalmers raised their hands or they didn't.
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  So I got up there very next morning after I watched the movie.
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  I watched the Night of Premier, and so I got up the next morning.
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  I said, you know, I don't think any reporter's gonna chase after the story.
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  So I myself, I called the Ohio Embalmers Association.
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  They're located in Cincinnati, about an hour south of where I live in Dayton.
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  I talked to their president of Mr.
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  Dan Becker, their vice president of Mr. Woody Wilson and their
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  secretary and Mr. David Hicks.
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  I asked all three gentlemen, Hey, did you happen to be in the room at the time?
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  Those embalmers supposedly raised their hands?
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  Well, none of the three of them happened to be in the room at the time.
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  However, the vice president, Mr.
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  Woody Wilson, who runs his own funeral home in Marysville, Ohio, about an
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  hour north of where I live, and he does his own embalming, said, Tom, I'm
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  seeing the white fibers, clots too.
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  So that was my wild moment, Michael.
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  I now had a, an officer of the Ohio Embalmer Association.
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  By the way, Woody's now the president of the Ohio Embalmers Association,
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  corroborating these six or seven embalmers in this died suddenly film
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  saying that he's seeing the clots too.
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  So that's when I decided right away to run a nationwide survey, which
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  I then later on turned into a, uh, worldwide survey by including Canada,
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  uk, Australia, New Zealand, to see how prevalent these clots were.
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  'cause I knew that our own FDA and CDC would not be looking into this problem.
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  Right.
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  And they haven't for the last four or five years.
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  So it's, it's been me and the, with the help of my assistant, Ms.
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  Laura Kaner, that have run these surveys for the last four years to
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  see the prevalence and timing of these unusual white fibers, clots.
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  Yeah, it's very, very sad, you know, how this, uh, transpired
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  and it should have been a big red flag right from the beginning.
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  But, uh, you know, it was something they obviously had a
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  intention of pushing out there.
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  And, you know, having been in the CIA, you know, I, I've seen these
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  programs, you know, pushed and so forth, and I, I started, recognized
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  it pretty early on as well.
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  So, uh, yeah, I've, I've had, uh, a lot of people on that have
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  talked about this over the years.
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  There were, uh, in the beginning like I had, John Looney was gonna
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  come on my show and he backed out,
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  right?
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  And then I was, I put it out there as any.
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  Any of these embalmers out there wanna come forward and I'll talk
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  on my show and, you know, crickets.
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  And then finally this one gentleman from uh, Canada came on and he contacted
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  me and says, I'll come on and talk.
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  And I was like, okay, great.
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  And he said, and he was telling me how he had like, you know, uh, and, and Ontario
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  and Quebec and some other places where he had he had multiple funeral homes.
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  And he said he had lots of people and usually mostly the ones from Ontario
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  were having the white fibrous clots.
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  And I guess he was in, uh, Edmonton, somewhere around there.
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  And they weren't having as many, I think, 'cause in that
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  area, most people didn't get it.
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  But, uh.
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  He was, he came on my show I said, you want to, like, uh, before I, we
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  went on you, you wanna black out?
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  Do you want me to like, not use your name?
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  He's like, no, no, no.
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  I'll be, I'll be good for
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  him.
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  Okay.
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  And so we, we did the show and like within hours after we
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  did the show, he contacted me.
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  Can you please take that video down?
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  I'm getting massively attacked.
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  Oh no.
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  Yeah.
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  So I took
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  it down.
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  I figured the
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  good
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  news is I figured what happened.
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  But, uh,
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  yeah.
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  The good news is, Michael, I have found some people who are willing to speak out
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  and still and willing to speak out now.
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  And, um, like I said, uh,
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  that's what I love about your work.
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  You have, uh, so many people that are, are finally having the courage
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  to come forward and talk about it now.
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  But you said uh, just recently, you're own redacted.
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  And I heard you say that you're not having as many people respond to
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  your surveys as you did in the past.
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  So you're getting, you're maybe people are getting let's just move on.
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  And I think No, we, it's not time to move on.
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  It's getting worse.
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  What, what are your thoughts?
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  Yeah, exactly.
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  Uh, over the, my, the four years I've done the survey 2022 through
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  2025, the end, end of each of those years, it's been very consistent.
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  The responses in terms of the percentage of buler seeing the clots,
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  it's been about 70% to 80% of the bulb say they are seeing the clots.
• 17:16
  And the typical percentage of corpses they're seeing the clots in
• 17:20
  is anywhere from about 20% to 30%.
• 17:22
  That's been consistent over the four years.
• 17:25
  The problem, like you say, is in my 2024 survey, end of
• 17:28
  year survey, that was my year.
• 17:29
  I had the best responses.
• 17:31
  I had 301 responses to that survey, but then in my 2025 survey, the one
• 17:37
  I just ran about a month or so ago.
• 17:39
  That one only had 59 responses.
• 17:41
  So there was a drastic reduction.
• 17:43
  And I think part of the problem, Michael, is now the, like I said, these embalmers
• 17:47
  may be in a little bit of a pickle, right?
• 17:49
  Because a lot of them haven't spoken out publicly.
• 17:52
  In fact, very few have spoken out publicly.
• 17:55
  But now if they've come forward and admit the class are still happening,
• 17:58
  they probably wish they were going away.
• 18:00
  They, they probably are hoping that, you know, as less and less
• 18:03
  people took the COVID vaccines, the clots would start to go away.
• 18:05
  But that's not happening.
• 18:06
  They're still prevalent.
• 18:08
  So now they're in a dilemma because if they do come out and speak
• 18:12
  out, people say, great, I'm glad you spoke out and that you're
• 18:15
  admitting you're seeing them now.
• 18:16
  But where were you four or five years ago when you first started seeing them?
• 18:20
  So that's the dilemma they we're in.
• 18:22
  Right?
• 18:23
  Wow.
• 18:23
  Okay.
• 18:24
  So yeah.
• 18:24
  And this is becoming kind of the new normal.
• 18:26
  We cannot allow it to become the new normal 'cause it's not normal,
• 18:30
  we see a lot younger people, uh, dying these days from these clot.
• 18:34
  And like I said, there's still 10% plus excess mortality in
• 18:38
  highly coded vaccinated countries.
• 18:40
  In fact, I just, uh, yesterday I was on a site called Our World and
• 18:43
  Data, and people can go on that site and look, they have a page on excess
• 18:47
  mortality, and you can go there.
• 18:49
  And they sh they, they have graphs for all the countries that have
• 18:53
  data collected for, uh, death.
• 18:56
  And what they've done is they've compared the death totals to the year,
• 18:59
  baseline years 2015 through 2019.
• 19:02
  So excess death is anything over the average of the 2015 to 2019
• 19:06
  years here in the United States.
• 19:08
  For example, we had about.
• 19:10
  3 million people die every year from 2015 through 2019.
• 19:14
  From 2020 through the present, we've had about 3.3 million people
• 19:18
  dying per year in the United States.
• 19:20
  So it's going up 10%, 300,000 extra Americans dying every year.
• 19:25
  And what's the, and you would expect maybe to see that in the years 2020
• 19:28
  and 2021 when COVID was hitting hard, when we had the original Wuhan variant
• 19:34
  and the Delta variant, which were more deadly, and we did see spikes, and
• 19:37
  you see spikes in all the countries.
• 19:39
  But then starting in the year 2022, after the vaccines have been rolled
• 19:44
  out for a year, you should start to see those numbers return back to zero again,
• 19:48
  shouldn't be any excess mortality, right?
• 19:50
  Because if the vaccines are working properly and the omicron variants much
• 19:55
  milder, a lot of less people are dying from the omicron variants of, of COVID.
• 19:59
  You should see that return back to normal.
• 20:01
  But you're not in, in highly vaccinated countries.
• 20:04
  In the US you'll see that has stayed at 10%.
• 20:07
  From 20 22, 20 23 and 2024.
• 20:10
  The 2025 numbers are not in yet.
• 20:12
  If you look like a country like South Africa though, where you had very little
• 20:16
  uptake of the COVID vaccines, you'll see the large spikes in 2020 and 2021
• 20:21
  of, of excess mortality those years.
• 20:23
  But then in 2022 through 2024, it's back to zero again.
• 20:28
  They have, they've had no problems the last three or four years
• 20:31
  with excess mortality in South Africa, which has had low uptake
• 20:35
  of the COVID vaccinate vaccines.
• 20:37
  So that should tell the audience something, right?
• 20:40
  Yeah, it's it tells us that probably this extra 10% that
• 20:43
  we're seeing in highly vaccinated countries is due to the vaccine.
• 20:47
  And when people say, well, I don't see that in my own daily
• 20:51
  life, I get that because it's subtle at the individual level.
• 20:55
  You know, 10% excess mortality means you might see 11 people die this year,
• 20:59
  as opposed to 10 dying last year.
• 21:01
  Well, are you really gonna notice 11 people dying this
• 21:04
  year versus 10 last year?
• 21:05
  Probably not.
• 21:06
  Right?
• 21:06
  That's, but that is 10% excess mortality.
• 21:09
  So, but when you aggregate those numbers up to mass populations, like
• 21:11
  the whole country, you get 300,000 extra Americans dying every year.
• 21:17
  That's why it's, it's happening and it's been happening for the
• 21:19
  last four or five years, but it's subtle at the individual level.
• 21:23
  Yeah.
• 21:24
  And, uh, so this was, I, I mentioned this in, uh, you know, the show that I
• 21:29
  did where the, you know, the percentage, if you take the percentage of the people
• 21:32
  that actually have been vaccinated and the numbers of people that are showing
• 21:36
  up in, uh, like for instance, uh, John Looney fortunately has, uh, you know,
• 21:41
  spoken out also Richard Hirschman.
• 21:43
  I know Neil,
• 21:44
  they said they report that they are still.
• 21:47
  Seeing the white fibers clots in 35 to 40% of their corpses at the end of 2025.
• 21:54
  I know.
• 21:55
  And your Laura Laura's and my 2024 survey actually showed a slight increase
• 22:01
  in the percentage of courses with the white fibers, clots to 27% when compared
• 22:05
  to the 20%, uh, in 2020 three survey.
• 22:09
  So do you think these numbers are gonna continue to increase?
• 22:12
  And if, if we take those numbers and we, correlate 'em into the US population,
• 22:16
  that's probably unfortunately, uh, has these white fibers clocks, uh,
• 22:21
  we're looking at somewhere around, you know, close to a hundred million
• 22:23
  people that might have be walking around with these white fibers, clocks.
• 22:27
  Yeah.
• 22:27
  I can't say it's that much, and it's hard to determine what
• 22:30
  percentage are in the living.
• 22:31
  Sure.
• 22:31
  But you're right in the dead is average.
• 22:33
  We, I don't think it's gonna increase.
• 22:35
  It's, it's staying pretty steady between 20 to 30%.
• 22:38
  And like I said, I took a, um, I went, I was actually.
• 22:41
  Invited last June of 2025 to be a guest speaker at the Tennessee Funeral
• 22:45
  Directors Association's annual convention.
• 22:48
  Their president at that time, Mr. Taylor Moore said, Hey Tom, I want you to come
• 22:51
  talk to our embalmers 'cause we're scared.
• 22:53
  You know, we're into year five of this now and these things aren't
• 22:57
  stopping, so we want you to come.
• 22:59
  So I went there and I gave an hour presentation.
• 23:01
  I also took a uh, survey in-person survey while I was there.
• 23:06
  By the way, I also captured on video, Michael, 18 of 28 bombers
• 23:10
  in that room with raised hands saying they were still seeing the
• 23:13
  clots in the first half of 2025.
• 23:15
  So just further proof is phenomenon is happening.
• 23:17
  You don't have to believe me.
• 23:19
  You can go look at that video and you can see the 18 embalmers with raised
• 23:22
  hands saying they're seeing the clots.
• 23:24
  By the way, also, in addition to Mr. Woody Wilson.
• 23:27
  And Taylor Moore who's the president of the Tennessee Funeral
• 23:30
  Director Association, Mr. Kevin Swire, who's the president of the
• 23:34
  Manitoba Canada Funeral Association, says that he's seen the cloths.
• 23:38
  Mr. Chris Cowy Jr. Who is the 20 24, 20 25 President of the
• 23:42
  Pennsylvania Funeral Directors Association, says he's seen the clots.
• 23:46
  Uh, Mr. Dana Goodell, who's a board member of the Iowa Funeral Directors Association
• 23:50
  currently says he's seen the clots.
• 23:52
  He actually did a, a video with another gentleman where they talk about the clots.
• 23:56
  So we have a lot of well-respected men in the community saying
• 24:00
  these are definitely happening.
• 24:01
  And also, I I, I was contacted in March of 2024.
• 24:05
  Um, Michael by a endovascular specialist in cardiologist in Jacksonville, Florida.
• 24:11
  Uh, Dr. Mohan Bashar, who admits he'd been pulled these same white fibers,
• 24:15
  clots outta living people for the last five years and what's called a cath
• 24:20
  lab, where he uses flexible catheters that either suck the clot out, scrape
• 24:25
  it out, or lasso it and pull it out.
• 24:27
  He actually sent me an email with, uh, a photo of a deep vein thrombosis.
• 24:33
  Let's see if I can put it up here on the screen.
• 24:35
  Don't know how well.
• 24:37
  Oh yeah.
• 24:37
  See that there?
• 24:38
  Yeah, over there.
• 24:38
  That red clot there, when that gets, that's a white fibers clot that when after
• 24:43
  you wash the blood off, that kind of, that pinkish cord running down the mi through
• 24:46
  the middle, yeah, that would turn white.
• 24:49
  And this was actually a deep vein thrombosis was, uh, removed
• 24:52
  from the gentleman's leg.
• 24:54
  And on the, you can see the angiograms also of what it looked
• 24:58
  like when it was still in the leg.
• 25:00
  And then the middle image there where you see the, kind of the dark stream running
• 25:04
  vertically, that's the blood flow that's been restored after the clot was removed.
• 25:08
  So that was a successful procedure by Dr. Bashar on this particular gentleman.
• 25:12
  And he also sent me several other photos of white fibers, CLOs removed from the
• 25:16
  iliac artery, and then from a dangerous pulmonary embolism up in the lungs area.
• 25:21
  Those could be, they're very dangerous, have to be removed very carefully.
• 25:24
  All three of those contain white fibrous material.
• 25:27
  But unfortunately, Michael, after about a month after he made contact
• 25:30
  with me, he sent me an email saying, Tom, I've been instructed to
• 25:34
  terminate communications immediately.
• 25:36
  Sorry for the inconvenience.
• 25:38
  So somebody, his administrator at his hospital got to him, says, shut up.
• 25:42
  Don't talk about this publicly.
• 25:43
  Right.
• 25:44
  Or else we're gonna come after your license.
• 25:46
  We'll take away your board certifications.
• 25:48
  So they threatened him into silence, which is unfortunate, right?
• 25:52
  Right.
• 25:52
  'cause these doctors, unlike the embalmers, they do have access
• 25:56
  to the COVID vaccination records.
• 25:57
  Were all their patients.
• 25:58
  They can tell you how many shots they took, when they took their
• 26:00
  shots, what brand they took.
• 26:03
  I actually tried to run a cath lab worker survey, blood clot survey, similar
• 26:08
  to the ones I ran with the embalmers.
• 26:10
  And I sent that Michael to the societies for vascular surgery in.
• 26:14
  US, Canada, uk, Australia, New Zealand, also to 120 vascular surgeons
• 26:20
  directly across the United States.
• 26:22
  Yes.
• 26:22
  How many of 'em took my survey?
• 26:24
  Zero.
• 26:25
  None.
• 26:26
  Zero.
• 26:26
  The doctors don't wanna talk about it at all.
• 26:29
  Yeah.
• 26:30
  See that's the problem.
• 26:31
  We could,
• 26:32
  I got email from, yeah, the Society for Vascular Surgery in the United States.
• 26:38
  They're headquartered in Rosemont, Illinois, and they brag on their website
• 26:41
  of having over 6,300 member vascular surgeons all across the United States.
• 26:46
  Wow.
• 26:46
  None of them wanted to take the survey.
• 26:48
  So I, I said, well, what if I don't, can't get good information from the doctor in,
• 26:52
  maybe I can get from the patient end.
• 26:54
  So in 2024, I ran a People's Blood clot survey with the help of, uh,
• 26:58
  Clayton Morrison and his wife Natalie on Redacted, and also Dr. John
• 27:02
  Campbell, the old gentleman in the uk.
• 27:04
  Oh yeah, we talked,
• 27:05
  yeah.
• 27:05
  They displayed a QR code for me and I ran a people's blood clot survey.
• 27:09
  And guess what, Michael, in less than two weeks, I got over 1400 responses
• 27:14
  from people all over the world.
• 27:17
  Happy to talk about their blood clotting issues.
• 27:19
  Wow.
• 27:19
  So the patients were happy to talk about it even though the,
• 27:22
  the doctors are staying silent.
• 27:23
  And in that survey, what's interesting is one of the questions
• 27:26
  I asked is, what year years did you have your blood clotting issue?
• 27:31
  And in the year 2020, which is the year we had the virus, but no vaccines yet,
• 27:35
  only 79 of the 1400 people said they had the blood clotting issue that year.
• 27:40
  But then starting in year 2021, it jumped to over 500 people per year having blood
• 27:46
  clotting issues in 21, 22, 23, and 24.
• 27:50
  Far different than the 79.
• 27:53
  So in 2020.
• 27:54
  So that tells me.
• 27:55
  Which one's the culprit, right?
• 27:56
  It's not the virus so much as it is the vaccine,
• 28:00
  right?
• 28:00
  Because that's when the barge
• 28:01
  exploded.
• 28:01
  The virus itself was causing spiking, uh, initially as well.
• 28:05
  Uh, and that's why you have a little bit of, uh, you know,
• 28:08
  uptick, uh, in the beginning.
• 28:10
  But the real culprit as we're learning is the, the actual shot.
• 28:14
  Now, I've had Bryant Artisan.
• 28:16
  I've worked with him quite a bit.
• 28:17
  I've been to,
• 28:17
  yeah,
• 28:18
  we've done shows together.
• 28:20
  Uh, I've met him.
• 28:21
  Uh, he's talked about the venom within the vaccine, so there could
• 28:25
  be other aspects of the vaccine that could be causing a problems.
• 28:28
  We had the, of course, white fibrous clotting, but there could be other
• 28:32
  things that are not showing up.
• 28:34
  Once someone's deceased that's causing, people to actually die
• 28:38
  higher rates of cardiovascular problems, cancers, and so forth.
• 28:42
  We think we have a pretty good handle on this issue.
• 28:44
  Hirshman and I have been working with a gentleman named Mr. Greg Harrison.
• 28:48
  He's an organic chemist in Sydney, Australia, and he, he's in, he leads a
• 28:52
  team of scientists at several universities and other locations in, in Australia
• 28:57
  and in Europe, and they've done a whole battery of tests on the white fibers,
• 29:01
  clots, Hirschman has sent samples.
• 29:04
  Through laboratories all over the world, under both formaldehyde
• 29:07
  and under Argonne gas as well, because Argonne is an inert gas.
• 29:10
  So it keeps the specimen from, you know, uh, reacting to anything.
• 29:15
  And what they've done is they've done a whole battery of tests.
• 29:17
  Michael, uh, one of 'em is called inductive cup plasma
• 29:20
  mass, spectometry, I-C-P-M-S.
• 29:23
  And that particular one tests, tests for the elements that
• 29:26
  are in the clots and, you know, elements from the periodic table.
• 29:29
  And what's interesting is when that the results of that came back, they mirrored,
• 29:32
  by the way, the first person to do that was, uh, Mike Adams, the health Ranger.
• 29:36
  I don't know if you know Mike.
• 29:37
  Yeah.
• 29:38
  And they verified Mike was right his results were accurate.
• 29:41
  The clots contain very little amounts of potassium, magnesium, or iron, which are
• 29:46
  in high amounts in normal blood, right?
• 29:49
  Mm-hmm.
• 29:49
  So we knew this wasn't blood clotting, you know, it wasn't blood congealing right.
• 29:54
  Now, conversely, the, the white fibers clots contained very
• 29:57
  high amounts of phosphorus.
• 30:00
  Sulfur and sometimes 10, which is interesting.
• 30:03
  Right.
• 30:04
  So, and, and by the way, there was a lot of phosphorus and phosphates and
• 30:08
  sulfates in the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines.
• 30:12
  Yeah.
• 30:12
  Just intent.
• 30:13
  Uh, another test that was done was called High Performance Liquid
• 30:16
  Chromatography, which tests the compounds that are in the, in the, the clots.
• 30:21
  And what's ha our fibrinogen is one of the main components.
• 30:25
  Fibrinogen is actually a protein produced by us.
• 30:28
  It's, it's, it's in our own bodies.
• 30:30
  It's in everybody's bodies produced by the liver, and it's in a
• 30:34
  liquid form in your blood plasma.
• 30:36
  Then it, whenever you have a cut on your arm, it triggers the clotting
• 30:40
  response and the conversion of that liquid fibrinogen that's in your, your
• 30:43
  plasma into a white solid called fibrin.
• 30:46
  And what he found in the clot using the HPLC.
• 30:48
  The high performance liquid chromatography test was typically when our, uh, fibrin
• 30:54
  strand forms, if three fibrinogen chains are, are used to form that there was
• 30:59
  an alpha, beta and gamma chain and you can think of them as three smaller
• 31:02
  ropes and they kind of intertwine to become lar larger, stronger rope.
• 31:06
  And they were usually in a one-to-one, to one ratio in a normal clot.
• 31:10
  When the white fibers clots, they found the fibrinogen beta
• 31:14
  chain was 36% of the clot.
• 31:17
  The gamma chain was 16% of the clot and the alpha chain was only 4% of the clot.
• 31:23
  So it was a bizarre nine to four to one ratio instead of
• 31:25
  a one to one to one ratio.
• 31:28
  Also an an enzyme that's usually present in the conversion of fibrinogen into
• 31:33
  fibrin is called thrombin, and they found almost no thrombin in the clot.
• 31:37
  So that told 'em that something else was driving the reaction.
• 31:40
  And that's something else is phosphorus.
• 31:43
  Like I said, phosphorus coming from two things, coming from both the
• 31:46
  phospholipid nanoparticles that you, that, that are using the vaccine.
• 31:51
  You know, the little, uh, hollow balls of fat that they put the
• 31:54
  mRNA from the vaccine inside in order to get it into your cells.
• 31:58
  What's happening, Michael, is that the moment that that phospholipid nanoparticle
• 32:01
  gets inside your cell, it has to open up to release the mRNA payload inside, right?
• 32:06
  That's gonna start producing the spike protein.
• 32:08
  When, when it opens up, it's exposing phosphorous heads on
• 32:12
  that phospholipid nanoparticle, and that has a great affinity.
• 32:15
  It wants to bind with our natural fibrinogen.
• 32:18
  So that's, that, that's what's going on, and it causes that fibroid then to
• 32:21
  twist and misfold and become these clots.
• 32:24
  I'll, I'll show the audience a photo here.
• 32:28
  This is a photograph on the, on this side.
• 32:33
  You see these kind of smoother, what looks like smooth cooked spaghetti noodles.
• 32:36
  Yeah.
• 32:37
  This fi figure, by the way, came out of a peer reviewed paper that appeared
• 32:40
  in, uh, nature in August of 2024 by RU colleagues, RYU and colleagues.
• 32:47
  Mm-hmm.
• 32:47
  And what it's showing is that's what your fibral looks like.
• 32:51
  Normal, when it convert into fibrin, when if you look over the other side over here,
• 32:55
  you see it looks much nastier, doesn't it?
• 32:58
  Yeah.
• 32:58
  This is what happens when the fibrinogen comes in contact with the spike protein,
• 33:03
  either from the virus or from the vaccine.
• 33:07
  It becomes all twisted misfolded and gets these nasty nodules on it.
• 33:11
  Now, if you look on this side here, this is a photograph of a
• 33:15
  white fibrous clot that Richard Hirschman sent to a neuroscientist
• 33:19
  in Japan named Kevin McCarran.
• 33:20
  Mm-hmm.
• 33:21
  Kevin took a thin five micrometer slice of one of Hirschman's clots
• 33:25
  taken out of a cadaver, and he looked at it under a high powered scanning
• 33:29
  electron microscope at a magnification of 5,000, and this is what he saw.
• 33:34
  Now, does that look more like the nice smooth spaghetti noodles, or does it
• 33:37
  look like the Madden misfolded twisted mess with the nasty nodules on it?
• 33:42
  Definitely.
• 33:42
  Yeah.
• 33:43
  It's the latter.
• 33:44
  So that's proof of the microscopic level that the spike protein from both
• 33:48
  the virus and the vaccine are causing our natural blood clotting protein,
• 33:52
  fibrinogen to twist and misfold.
• 33:54
  And then our, we have an enzyme called plasmin.
• 33:57
  It can, um, break down the nice smooth spaghetti noodle clots very easily, but it
• 34:03
  cannot break down those masted, twitted, twisted mess, you know, of a, of a clot.
• 34:08
  So then that's when these things tend to grow and persist and become
• 34:11
  these humongous white fibers, clots.
• 34:13
  So we have proof of the eyeball level of what's happening.
• 34:16
  We have proof of the microscopic level.
• 34:18
  This is what's happening to me.
• 34:19
  It's a slam dunk, Michael.
• 34:21
  And it's a shame that our own C-D-C-F-D-A and that university labs around the
• 34:25
  world have not looked at this at all.
• 34:27
  Right.
• 34:28
  They, they have hundreds of millions of dollars at their disposal.
• 34:30
  They, they could be doing the same kind of research that this, you know, ragtag
• 34:34
  team that's using their own money has been doing for the last two or three years.
• 34:38
  Yeah.
• 34:39
  Well, that's fantastic.
• 34:40
  You guys have been doing that.
• 34:40
  So, fantastic.
• 34:42
  I had no idea that we were actually producing in our own bodies, uh,
• 34:45
  you know, the thing of our device.
• 34:47
  Uh, so it was activating it within our own body.
• 34:49
  So that's makes so much sense,
• 34:51
  right?
• 34:51
  It's, yeah.
• 34:52
  It's, it's taking our own fibr in and it's, it's twisting it into this bizarre
• 34:56
  polymer instead of it's normal fiber.
• 34:58
  Yeah, fine.
• 34:58
  Yeah, exactly.
• 35:00
  So, uh, geez, right, so they're gonna resist this, it looks
• 35:03
  like until they're started.
• 35:06
  Do you think anybody's gonna be held accountable at some point?
• 35:09
  Boy, it's hard to say yes at this point.
• 35:11
  Isn't it Michael?
• 35:12
  'cause we, you know, we're five years into this.
• 35:14
  Yeah.
• 35:14
  And nobody seems to go to jail for anything, do they?
• 35:17
  Yeah.
• 35:17
  Fauci got a, uh, what a preemptive Pardon?
• 35:20
  That was bizarre, wasn't it?
• 35:22
  For Oh, yeah.
• 35:22
  He hadn't even supposedly committed a crime yet.
• 35:24
  Biden gave him a pardon anyways.
• 35:26
  Preemptively strange.
• 35:28
  Well, it was with the auto pen, so maybe it's not gonna be held.
• 35:32
  You know, here's the scary thing, is that the big pharma's not stopping.
• 35:37
  Are they?
• 35:37
  They're going to continue to produce Other Good
• 35:40
  point.
• 35:40
  Yeah.
• 35:40
  Thank you.
• 35:41
  Yep.
• 35:41
  Va new vaccines for other ailments, right?
• 35:44
  For RSD, the regular flu shingles.
• 35:47
  They wanna use the same mRNA technology in this phospholipid nanoparticle delivery
• 35:52
  system for all their future drugs.
• 35:54
  And I and others like Dr. Peter McCullough were saying, no, this
• 35:58
  is not ready for prime time.
• 36:00
  In fact, this should probably be thrown into the waste in a history
• 36:03
  because the whole technology's failed.
• 36:05
  Michael, like I said, they.
• 36:07
  They can't control where it goes.
• 36:09
  They said it was gonna stay in your, on your deltoid muscle, and
• 36:11
  now it goes all over the body.
• 36:13
  They can't even control the dosage amount because some people continue to produce
• 36:16
  spike protein for months to years after they get the shot when it was supposed to
• 36:20
  turn off in just a couple days to a week.
• 36:23
  And about 10% of the time with these COVID shots, it's not even producing the, the
• 36:26
  spike protein, the correct spike protein, which is dangerous enough in and of itself
• 36:31
  about 10% of the time, producing what's called nonsense or aberrant proteins of
• 36:35
  various links that our bodies also attack, uh, because it's foreign to the body.
• 36:41
  Right.
• 36:41
  It's attacking.
• 36:42
  So it's messing up as destroying people's immune systems.
• 36:45
  And I implore people, even if they've taken a few shots, don't take anymore
• 36:49
  because there is a cumulative effect.
• 36:51
  The more shots you take, the more you introduce the mRNA and
• 36:54
  the spike protein in your body.
• 36:56
  And that's bad, that's bad news.
• 36:59
  Well, I've had, uh, had this one woman on my show.
• 37:02
  She was, uh, she basically.
• 37:05
  Making sure that the vaccines, as they, they came out, uh, were good and
• 37:09
  they put 'em under, uh, certain lights and so forth, and they, they started
• 37:12
  to see the lucid race type stuff.
• 37:14
  Uh, and she brought that to every, to the attention of her higher ups, and they
• 37:18
  pretty much shut her down and ran her off.
• 37:21
  Uh, and she went through legal challenges afterwards and, uh, fortunately she's
• 37:25
  over, she was able to overcome that.
• 37:27
  She had a really good legal guy that I've had on my shows as well.
• 37:30
  But, uh, this seems to be, uh, something they planned.
• 37:33
  What are your thoughts on that?
• 37:35
  At first, I, I thought it was just a money grab, but, you know, yeah.
• 37:39
  I think that the, the, you know, the, basically the, the virus
• 37:42
  itself, I believe is a culmination.
• 37:43
  Not just a Chinese technology, but a Russian and USA technology over the last.
• 37:48
  50 years.
• 37:50
  Wow.
• 37:50
  The Russians have been well documented that they've been working
• 37:53
  on clotting agents for decades.
• 37:55
  Uh, the Chinese and Americans in the meantime have been working on viruses
• 37:59
  that can more easily escape the immune system and replicate faster.
• 38:03
  So we believe that SARS cov to two, the virus was a best of 'cause.
• 38:07
  It has all the blood clotting, uh, issues as well as the ability to
• 38:11
  evade the immune system as well as the ability to replicate faster.
• 38:15
  And unfortunately, that spike protein, the most damaging part
• 38:18
  of that virus, got completely translated into the mRNA vaccines.
• 38:23
  And you wonder about shouldn't they have known that, that, that, that there,
• 38:28
  there's those of us who believe that there were people that did know that
• 38:31
  and still allowed it to happen anyways.
• 38:34
  And you know, and, and you think that.
• 38:36
  Okay, we'll, we'll give you some grace.
• 38:38
  Uh, when the vaccines first came out and people started seeing all these
• 38:42
  nasty side effects, you would've thought that they would've, okay,
• 38:45
  we're gonna pull 'em from the market.
• 38:46
  Now this, this isn't working.
• 38:48
  This is killing and injuring too many people.
• 38:51
  But they didn't do that, did they?
• 38:52
  They doubled down.
• 38:54
  So that's when you'd have to start thinking, well, maybe there is something
• 38:56
  in this depopulation thing, because why are they continuing on with
• 39:00
  this when we have shown them proof after proof that these things are in
• 39:04
  injurious, you know, to the population.
• 39:07
  It makes you wonder, doesn't it?
• 39:09
  Yeah, it really does.
• 39:10
  Uh, you know, I've, uh, having been in the, you know, CIA and seeing the
• 39:15
  other side of things, unfortunately, you know, there's good people in the ccia.
• 39:19
  A I was one of them.
• 39:20
  Uh, we did great things.
• 39:21
  We hunted down terrace and got 'em off the, took 'em out, some of line me in one
• 39:24
  of them, uh, that I was involved with.
• 39:26
  But, uh, you know, it's you see stuff like this, uh, and it's, it's very concerning.
• 39:32
  So there's these groups, it seemed like, you know, they're, they're hell band
• 39:36
  on, uh, you know, like, you, like wes, like we're talking about depopulation
• 39:40
  who knows what that's all about, why they do that and, and so forth.
• 39:43
  But yeah, they should have pulled this off long ago.
• 39:46
  Now also, in your study, in your, your article, we were talking
• 39:49
  about how you know, you're, you're saying that other, other products
• 39:52
  are using the mRNA technology.
• 39:55
  Uh, one person that had not had the COVID vaccination, uh, had, was doing,
• 40:01
  uh, something for another problem that he had disease or whatever,
• 40:04
  uh, and he was getting vaccinations or for that, and it turned out he
• 40:08
  got the white fibrous collapse and had never gotten the COVID shot.
• 40:12
  So it, you're right, it is, uh, starting to go into everything else now.
• 40:17
  Yeah.
• 40:17
  Scary.
• 40:18
  And you know, I don't know where we go from here.
• 40:20
  You know, one of the other areas that we have to be concerned
• 40:22
  about are these bio weapons labs.
• 40:25
  These, you know, these bio labs are all over the world.
• 40:28
  I was just running some numbers yesterday.
• 40:30
  Lemme take a look here.
• 40:33
  It says as of 20 23, 20 23, there were 51 operating biosafety level four labs,
• 40:42
  the highest security labs for the deadly deadliest pathogens across 27 countries.
• 40:48
  Michael, and these, you know, these are the facilities that treat high risk
• 40:52
  pathogens with no readily available vaccines or treatments such as Ebola,
• 40:56
  marburg, loss of viruses, and you know, these are the ones where you see people
• 41:01
  in the suits or you know, in a, like a space suit working with these things.
• 41:05
  Mm-hmm.
• 41:06
  Then on top of that, not only are those 51 of those labs.
• 41:09
  There's thousands of BSL level one through three labs and we've got some, uh, data
• 41:15
  recently from Greg Harrison and his team that they may be working on some of
• 41:20
  these viruses as dangerous as NPA virus.
• 41:23
  You know, we were lucky with COVID because SARS cov to two, the virus
• 41:26
  that we dealt with for the last four or five years had only had a
• 41:31
  case fatality rate of about 0.3%.
• 41:34
  In other words, three out of every 1000 people that got COVID,
• 41:38
  the virus would die from it.
• 41:41
  And I know there was polls earlier on, uh, people saying, you know, what
• 41:45
  percentage of people are dying from COVID?
• 41:47
  And, uh, when you caught COVID, there was actually only a 2% chance that you would
• 41:52
  actually have to be hospitalized by COVID.
• 41:54
  They did polls early on, uh, amongst Republicans and Democrats, and I think
• 41:58
  some of the Democrats, they guessed that.
• 42:00
  As much as 50% of people who caught COVID had to be hospitalized in the early days.
• 42:05
  That wasn't true.
• 42:06
  That wasn't true.
• 42:07
  And you don't blame 'em because, I mean, the TV was just trying
• 42:10
  to scare everybody, right?
• 42:11
  The actual percentage was only 2%.
• 42:13
  Only 2% of people that caught COVID, even in those early days
• 42:17
  ever got hospitalized for it.
• 42:19
  And of that 2%, only about one outta seven actually passed away from COVID.
• 42:24
  So that's about 0.3%.
• 42:27
  You know, like I said, three out of every 1000 people, but there's viruses
• 42:31
  out there and they're, they're rare, you know, like Ebola, another one's
• 42:35
  called npa, M-I-P-A-H, NPA Virus, Michael, that that particular VIR virus
• 42:42
  has a lethality rate of 40 to 70%.
• 42:46
  Yeah, I saw
• 42:46
  that.
• 42:46
  And we think, and we think that they may be working on ways to make that
• 42:50
  spread more easily amongst humans to do gain of function research on that.
• 42:54
  Could you imagine what happens if nip up.
• 42:57
  A, a al a manmade altered gain of function.
• 43:00
  NPA virus escapes a lab, a BSL four lab or BSL three lab and then starts
• 43:07
  to pro propagate across the planet.
• 43:09
  You know, if 40 to 70% lethality is a lot different than 0.3%
• 43:14
  we would be have a catastrophe.
• 43:16
  This is the danger of what's happening now with these 51 bio weapons labs and
• 43:21
  these other thousands of lower level labs.
• 43:24
  It's,
• 43:24
  yeah,
• 43:24
  it's scary.
• 43:26
  So I, I remember, uh, October of, uh, 2019, I was seeing some, uh,
• 43:30
  'cause I, after having been in, SEAL teams, you know, going after.
• 43:34
  Buy weapons and, uh, weapons of mass destruction, and of course,
• 43:38
  doing the same thing in the CIA, uh, we're always hunting them.
• 43:41
  That was one of the major, uh, things that we did.
• 43:43
  And when I saw in, uh, October of 2019 some anomalies that were
• 43:48
  starting to happen in China, I was like, this looks like there's
• 43:51
  going to be some problems here.
• 43:53
  Uh, and then, uh, in January of 2021, I really started beating the drum.
• 43:57
  This is something we really need to be concerned about.
• 43:59
  Do you think they're going to, I do.
• 44:02
  I do You think they're gonna like, release something even more deadly because, uh, it
• 44:06
  seems to be their, their mission in life.
• 44:08
  Now, remember Tulsi Gabbard you know, did the, you know.
• 44:12
  Emergency, emergency, you know, Ukraine, they're, they're, you know, they got the
• 44:15
  bio weapon labs in Ukraine and Mitt Romney came after her, called her her traitor.
• 44:20
  And then eventually, 'cause she's got a background in, uh, Intel with,
• 44:24
  uh, national Guard and so forth.
• 44:25
  She was right.
• 44:27
  Uh, so she, she knew something and so she's sounding the alarm.
• 44:31
  And Mitt Romney tried to shut her down and the press start tried to shut her down.
• 44:35
  Uh, and then eventually the arm, the military came out and said, she's right.
• 44:40
  So, uh, you know, we had somebody in the military, uh, you know, you, you
• 44:43
  try to sound the alarm, but, uh, and I tried to sound the alarm, but there's
• 44:46
  obviously some people out there that are trying to do the right thing.
• 44:51
  Uh, what, what do you think's going to happen in the future?
• 44:54
  You, it, it's just hard to predict what's gonna happen in the future, because
• 44:58
  unfortunately, the, the last four years I've done these surveys, my assistant and
• 45:01
  I have done these SurveyMonkey surveys.
• 45:03
  By the way, when we did the surveys, we sent it out to.
• 45:06
  50 national, regional, state funeral director associations all over the
• 45:09
  world, each with hundreds of members.
• 45:11
  We also sent it to 1700 funeral homes around the world, directly in major
• 45:15
  cities, using a bottom up and a bottom, top down and a bottom up approach to try
• 45:19
  to get the maximum number of responses.
• 45:22
  But every year I've had the results done, Michael, I've sent those
• 45:24
  in immediately to the N-I-H-C-D-C and FDA crickets for four years.
• 45:29
  They've never responded once to any of my involvement surveys.
• 45:32
  You know, we, you get to be discouraged after a while that your
• 45:34
  politics, your politicians are gonna do anything productive about this.
• 45:38
  Yeah.
• 45:39
  Now, over this last weekend, I was put in contact with somebody
• 45:41
  who's pretty close to RFK Junior, you know, who's head of our HHS.
• 45:46
  And, um, he asked me to write up a two page summary of the results of my surveys.
• 45:52
  With some links to things.
• 45:53
  And I did that and I sent it to him yesterday.
• 45:55
  So he promised to put that in front of, uh, Bobby Kennedy.
• 45:58
  So we'll see.
• 45:59
  And Bobby already knows about the cloths, by the way.
• 46:01
  'cause early on he had about a half hour to 45 minute conversation
• 46:05
  with, uh, Barbara Richard Hirschman.
• 46:07
  So he knows about the all the cloths.
• 46:09
  Uh, Dr. Jay Char knows about 'em as well.
• 46:11
  I actually called Jay.
• 46:12
  I have Jay's home phone number.
• 46:13
  I called, he's the head of the NIHI called Jay up, uh, last August and had
• 46:19
  a conversation with him just to make sure he was aware of the fact that I
• 46:23
  had just gotten back from Tennessee, where the, that whole, organization,
• 46:27
  the Tennessee Funeral Directors Association admitted that they were
• 46:30
  seeing the clots and, and, uh, and he said, yeah, I know about the clots.
• 46:34
  Tom, he had been put in touch with Dr. Ryan Cole.
• 46:37
  The pathologist from Idaho Hirschman's actually sent clots to Cole.
• 46:42
  And Cole was one of the very early ones to take a look at the
• 46:44
  composition of the clots and predict they were made out of amyloid.
• 46:48
  Which is just a fancy term for a misshape or misfolded
• 46:50
  protein like I showed earlier.
• 46:52
  Our politicians are aware of it, but just wonder if they're gonna do anything
• 46:55
  about it, so I think, uh, Hirschman and I and others that have been dealing with
• 47:00
  this for the last four or five years, we believe that we have to win the battle
• 47:04
  from the bottom up, from the people up and going on shows like yours is the
• 47:09
  best way to do it, to inform the public.
• 47:12
  And the good news is, Michael, we are winning.
• 47:14
  'cause very few people are taking the shots these days.
• 47:17
  In fact, I was, I was looking at an article the other day.
• 47:19
  It was a study actually that came out of, uh, university of New York and University
• 47:24
  of North Carolina Chapel Hill, which is kind of ironic 'cause that's where Ralph
• 47:28
  Barrick and them worked on the, the virus.
• 47:31
  But this one was more favorable.
• 47:32
  This is at, you're actually surveying people especially women
• 47:37
  of childbearing years for their perceptions of the COVID vaccine.
• 47:41
  And they, they surveyed 1600.
• 47:44
  Women of reproductive age, and they asked him, do you agree with
• 47:47
  this statement the COVID vaccine is safe to receive during pregnancy?
• 47:52
  Out of the 1600 women of reproductive age that answered only 199 of them, Michael,
• 47:59
  12% said they agreed with that statement.
• 48:02
  Good.
• 48:03
  So 88 of them were either uncertain or disagreed with it.
• 48:06
  Another question they asked in the OR statement, they
• 48:08
  said, do you agree with this?
• 48:10
  The COVID vaccine reduces the risk of severe disease from
• 48:13
  CVID 19 during pregnancy.
• 48:16
  And of that one, only 152 agreed with that one, only 9%.
• 48:20
  So 91% of them either had, uh, were uncertain or
• 48:24
  disagreed with that statement.
• 48:25
  And it turned out that of the 1600 women in this study, about 97% of
• 48:31
  them had been COVID vaccinated.
• 48:32
  So these are women that had taken a couple of shots and
• 48:35
  then they changed their minds.
• 48:37
  They'd say, you know what, I'm not taking anymore of these shots.
• 48:40
  So they answer the questions, you know, but americans are getting it right.
• 48:43
  They're catching on.
• 48:44
  You know, the shots don't stop you from catching COVID or transmitting to others.
• 48:48
  They probably know either from themselves or friends or family,
• 48:52
  somebody that's been injured by the jabs.
• 48:54
  They said, I'm staying away from these now.
• 48:56
  So we're winning on that battle front.
• 48:58
  And also country governments are starting to acknowledge things too.
• 49:02
  You know, last fall we had, just before I think Thanksgiving, Vinne Prasad, who was
• 49:07
  uh, one of the gentlemen in the FDA they had an internal memo that admitted that
• 49:12
  the, the, uh, shots had injured children.
• 49:16
  I don't know if you remember that or not.
• 49:18
  Oh, yeah.
• 49:19
  And then, yeah.
• 49:19
  And most recently, Canada just came out.
• 49:22
  They had a, um,
• 49:26
  they were looking at their vaccine injury program and they
• 49:30
  just took over the, the gut.
• 49:32
  Canadian government just took over direct control of their vaccine injury.
• 49:36
  Support program that they had, they farmed it out to a company
• 49:41
  called ox, uh, ox Aero, O-X-A-R-O.
• 49:45
  And they had given this company $50 million to help distribute to
• 49:50
  COVID-19 vaccine injury victims.
• 49:52
  And it turned out that the OX Aero only had distributed 18 million
• 49:57
  of the 50 million to those people.
• 49:59
  They kept 33 million for themselves Wow.
• 50:02
  In administrative costs.
• 50:04
  So that's how poor and the Canadian government recognizes, they've actually
• 50:08
  have claimed from about 10,000 Canadians.
• 50:11
  Who have been s severely injured by the vaccine.
• 50:14
  So they said, you know what, we're gonna take over this program now and
• 50:17
  take it outta the hands of this company that's wasting the money and, you know,
• 50:20
  in administrative costs and basically taking all the profits and not giving
• 50:24
  the, the money to the injured victims.
• 50:26
  So we're starting to see governments maybe quietly turn around and start
• 50:31
  admitting, yeah, we were at fault for pushing those jabs, you know, making
• 50:35
  people get 'em with mandates and they don't wanna come out right out and
• 50:38
  say it, but, ta tacitly or subtly they're coming out and they're doing
• 50:43
  things to show, show the public that.
• 50:46
  I think there's regret there.
• 50:47
  Yeah, but there's, there's some instances because, uh, you know, the trucker
• 50:52
  convoy in, uh, in Canada, boy, they, they hammered everybody on that hard.
• 50:57
  And then, uh, you know, everybody spoke up.
• 50:59
  I've had, uh, people, pastors on my show that spoke out about
• 51:02
  it, and, uh, they said that they had just came down hard on them.
• 51:06
  And then recently they had all those ostriches that, seems to be, uh,
• 51:09
  you know, they have this mm-hmm.
• 51:10
  This amazing ability to withstand, uh, you know, these diseases.
• 51:14
  And they went in and, cooled them all.
• 51:16
  They slaughtered them, didn't they?
• 51:17
  Oh yeah.
• 51:17
  That was horrible.
• 51:18
  The video was horrible.
• 51:20
  Absolutely.
• 51:20
  So I don't, I don't know about Canada, you know, and maybe they just throw us
• 51:24
  a bone occasionally like that and uh, or maybe they, they have to cover, or
• 51:29
  maybe it's part of the coverup, like we're talking about, you know, they're
• 51:31
  just keep this under wraps, keep it.
• 51:33
  A down low until the next big virus comes out.
• 51:36
  You know, like this, uh, nepa that's, you know, I was just reading where
• 51:39
  it, it's outbreak in Bangladesh and India of this NEPA that it's like
• 51:44
  you're talking about has 40, 70,
• 51:46
  I think there's only a couple cases right now in India.
• 51:48
  Yeah.
• 51:49
  But if this thing does get out control, that's what makes you worried.
• 51:52
  Right?
• 51:52
  If they were actually trying to, to gain a function research
• 51:55
  on that thing in a bio lab.
• 51:56
  That's, that's not good.
• 51:59
  So yeah.
• 52:00
  And that's, that's one of this is the beauty of us, you
• 52:03
  know, speaking out about this.
• 52:04
  'cause we're the ones that really are, are, calling attention to these things.
• 52:08
  I remember when the monkey virus came out, I was like, that's complete bs.
• 52:11
  Don't worry about that.
• 52:12
  And uh, and sure enough, it just kind of went away.
• 52:15
  They try to make it into a big deal.
• 52:17
  But the, the thing that I'm concerned about.
• 52:20
  If something like NEPA comes out.
• 52:22
  'cause a lot of people are like, I will never shut down again.
• 52:25
  I will never, you know, you still have to be aware that, this world can be affected.
• 52:30
  Uh, you know, you look at the plagues in the past, uh, you,
• 52:32
  you have to still be aware.
• 52:33
  These things can come, can come down whether they're manufactured or not.
• 52:38
  Uh, you definitely aware,
• 52:39
  by the way, you know, we're, we're still, uh, concerned about the white
• 52:42
  fibers, clots, and about the micro clotted blood that surrounds them.
• 52:46
  In addition to the white fibers, clots, we've been tracking another
• 52:48
  phenomenon the embalmers have been seeing for the last four or five years.
• 52:51
  Called micro clotting.
• 52:53
  They don't describe it as that.
• 52:54
  They describe it as what looks like coffee grounds or dirty blood as they're
• 52:57
  trying to get the, uh, blood out of the corpse and put the formaldehyde
• 53:01
  in to preserve the body for a view funeral showing they run into the,
• 53:05
  what looks like coffee grounds and the blood draining off the corpse.
• 53:08
  And this is indication of another phenomenon called micro clotting,
• 53:11
  which can be just as dangerous as these white fibers clots, you know?
• 53:14
  Sure.
• 53:14
  You think these things are causing strokes and heart attacks by, by
• 53:17
  completely blocking, uh, blood vessels.
• 53:19
  Micro clotting occurs at in your small blood vessels, your capillaries.
• 53:23
  Mm-hmm.
• 53:24
  And it can block the exchange of lung oxygen at the lungs, and then
• 53:27
  the carrying that oxygen to all the major organs of your body, you know,
• 53:30
  including your, your brain, your eyes.
• 53:32
  That's why a lot of people may be suffering from brain
• 53:34
  fog or poor vision problems.
• 53:37
  Wow.
• 53:37
  They may have micro clotting going on inside their head.
• 53:40
  And the embalmers the last four years have consistently
• 53:42
  seen that phenomenon in about.
• 53:44
  20 to 30% of their corpses as well.
• 53:46
  Mm-hmm.
• 53:46
  Just like the white fibers, clots.
• 53:48
  Yeah.
• 53:49
  Richard Hirschman said it's one of his favorite phrases is, Tom,
• 53:52
  the blood has changed since 2021.
• 53:54
  The blood has changed.
• 53:57
  He, he told me he used to see unusual blood in maybe 10 to 15% of his corpses
• 54:02
  prior to COVID now and normal, uh, normal blood in 85 to 90% of his corpses.
• 54:08
  Now it's totally flipped.
• 54:10
  He only sees normal blood in about 10 to 15% of his corpses.
• 54:14
  He sees abnormal blood in about 85% of his corpses.
• 54:17
  Wow.
• 54:18
  When you count in both the micro clotting and the white fibrous clots.
• 54:21
  So it's, yeah.
• 54:22
  And that's been corroborated in some studies that have,
• 54:24
  uh, come out, uh, last year.
• 54:27
  And Dr. Risa Pretorius, who we're also working with, uh, she's
• 54:30
  in South Africa and she's been looking at micro clotting as well.
• 54:35
  And they did this study and they actually looked at, uh.
• 54:39
  Long COVID patients and compared them to what they called healthy indi individuals.
• 54:44
  And they, they did tests where they, uh, looked at their micro clotting
• 54:47
  levels in one milliliter of blood.
• 54:50
  And the pe even the healthy people in the study all had at least a little
• 54:54
  bit of micro clotting in their blood, which is kind of scary, right, because
• 54:58
  that probably came from COVID, or it could have come from shedding
• 55:00
  from a, from a vaccinated person.
• 55:03
  Yeah.
• 55:03
  But their typical a number of micro clots was somewhere well less than
• 55:07
  from anywhere from like 1000 to about 8,000, uh, micro clots per milliliter.
• 55:13
  But sounds pretty high, but it's not, when you compare it to the people that have
• 55:17
  had that they had long COVID symptoms.
• 55:20
  And probably long back symptoms as well.
• 55:23
  Those people had an average of 72,000 micro clots per milliliter blood.
• 55:29
  The break point appears to be around the eight to 10,000
• 55:32
  micro clots per milliliter.
• 55:33
  Mark.
• 55:34
  Anything below 8,000, the person tends to be asymptomatic, not
• 55:38
  have any problems whatsoever.
• 55:39
  When it gets over 10,000, especially when it gets up in the a hundred
• 55:43
  thousand, 200,000, 300,000 level, that's when people start to have
• 55:47
  major, uh, symptoms associated with, the micro clotting at that level.
• 55:52
  And then those micro clots, what they have is they aggregate eventually and
• 55:56
  they become these white fibrous clots.
• 55:58
  They start off as micro clots, then they gather, aggregate and
• 56:01
  become these white fibrous clots.
• 56:03
  So it's just an early phase of and advances to the white.
• 56:08
  Do you think there's mutations that are going out there, Tom?
• 56:10
  Uh, with all these, uh, you know, with the vaccination, do you
• 56:13
  think, uh, people are starting to mutate, uh, mRNA and causing more.
• 56:17
  Series.
• 56:18
  Well, there's NI Nicholas Holscher who worked with Dr. Peter McCullough
• 56:21
  at the McCullough Foundation.
• 56:22
  They recently had, they had a case where they, they, they verified this
• 56:26
  gentleman that they're from you all the DM, A DNA plasmids, and the,
• 56:31
  the dirtiness of the Pfizer vaccine that also had the SV 40 promoter
• 56:35
  sequence in it that causes, cancer.
• 56:38
  They saw that it appears that that mRNA vaccine has reversed transcribed
• 56:43
  into the DNA of that individual.
• 56:45
  Wow.
• 56:45
  So that's a case.
• 56:46
  Yeah.
• 56:47
  Yeah.
• 56:47
  So that's the, I think the first case that I'm aware of where they've documented
• 56:51
  that the, um, mRNA and the DNA from the Pfizer vaccine can reverse transcribe
• 56:57
  and become part of somebody's DNA.
• 57:00
  Now, there was another study that came out, uh, last year in, out of Israel where
• 57:04
  they took a look at 22 pregnant women.
• 57:07
  And I think I mentioned this when I was on Clayton Morris's redacted show.
• 57:10
  Yeah.
• 57:10
  This is, this is a great point about, uh, shedding.
• 57:12
  Yeah, please.
• 57:13
  Yeah.
• 57:13
  Yeah.
• 57:14
  16 of those 22 women had taken, uh, several doses of Pfizer and they found
• 57:19
  the mRNA from the vaccine in both their blood and placenta, anywhere from 25 days
• 57:24
  to 250 days after their last vaccination.
• 57:27
  Vaccination.
• 57:28
  So that, that again tells you Fauci and Burke were lying to us.
• 57:31
  Right.
• 57:32
  That's, they said that shot would leave you in two days to a week.
• 57:34
  Well, no, and they also told you it would only stay in your upper arm,
• 57:38
  you know, so they lied on two counts.
• 57:40
  It told you the family jewels to a woman's placenta, and it also can
• 57:44
  stay in your body, as much as 250 days after your last injection.
• 57:50
  The shocking thing was
• 57:51
  that hadn't had vaccinations or partners did.
• 57:54
  Yes.
• 57:55
  That.
• 57:55
  That's the shocking thing.
• 57:56
  And six of the women who had not been vaccinated, they found the mRNA
• 58:00
  from the vaccine in three of them and half of those women's blood.
• 58:05
  So which it indication that they probably got it from their
• 58:07
  partner, their part partner.
• 58:08
  Who got 'em pregnant was probably COVID vaccinated.
• 58:11
  And then they, yeah.
• 58:12
  So this is a, well,
• 58:14
  you can see the happening through, sex, transmitted through the sex act.
• 58:18
  But do you think that's happening with, uh, you know, maybe saliva, kissing or
• 58:24
  you know, uh, just breathing on someone?
• 58:26
  Um,
• 58:27
  absolutely possible.
• 58:28
  Yes.
• 58:28
  Uh, Dr. Scott Marland, who's a medical partner of Dr. Pierre
• 58:32
  Corey, they, they run a long COVID, uh, long vacs clinic as well.
• 58:38
  One of, he came out several years ago and, and talked about one of the, I think,
• 58:41
  classic cases you'd have to think about is if you were in a car with a, a person who
• 58:45
  had been recently vaccinated for COVID.
• 58:48
  Let's say it's a cold day and you're got all the windows rolled up and you're,
• 58:52
  you know, they're just recirculating the air in that car, that person, through
• 58:55
  their exosomes could be giving you, shedding on you with either the, uh,
• 59:01
  mRNA, uh, you know, or spike protein.
• 59:04
  Yeah, in the exosomes.
• 59:06
  Now, they had said package,
• 59:09
  uh, I remember, yeah.
• 59:10
  Uh, in the early stages where everybody's getting vaccinated, I wasn't.
• 59:13
  And I was going and they were allowing us.
• 59:14
  I was in Florida at the time and they were allowing people to go
• 59:17
  out and, you know, mingle again.
• 59:19
  I, I went to the gym, so I out all the time.
• 59:22
  And, uh, I. I, I knew that I was getting something shedding on me 'cause I would
• 59:27
  get, start getting some symptoms, you know, and up my dose of, uh, you know,
• 59:31
  vitamin C or other products that I use.
• 59:33
  But
• 59:33
  yeah,
• 59:33
  uh, yeah, I, I strongly felt, and I have friends that told me that they're
• 59:38
  around, uh, pe they're, they had friends.
• 59:41
  They told them, don't get vaccinated 'cause you're gonna shadow me.
• 59:43
  And they're like, oh, you're ridiculous.
• 59:45
  Uh, and their periods, uh, went from, you know, a few days to like a whole month.
• 59:50
  So
• 59:50
  Absolutely.
• 59:51
  Yeah.
• 59:51
  Yeah, you're absolutely right.
• 59:53
  Michael, and you're, you're not uncommon.
• 59:55
  There's a lot of people out there that.
• 59:56
  Having sensitivity to that.
• 59:57
  They actually can tell you when they're in a room with vaccinated
• 1:00:00
  people, they can smell it, they can sense it with their smell.
• 1:00:04
  No kidding.
• 1:00:04
  Um, the good news is, uh, from, uh, Corey and, and Marsland is that those
• 1:00:10
  that are shed on typically have symptoms that are less severe than those that
• 1:00:14
  are taking the injections directly.
• 1:00:15
  That makes sense, right?
• 1:00:17
  Because you're not getting nearly the same strength of dose as you
• 1:00:20
  are when it's injected into your bloodstream from the vaccine.
• 1:00:23
  Not to say that people that are shed on can't have some problems that are
• 1:00:27
  debilitating, but it's less rare than those that have taken the vaccine.
• 1:00:31
  Yeah.
• 1:00:32
  And you know, there's all these, uh, chats out there, or what I'm hearing is, uh,
• 1:00:36
  you know, if non-vaccinated, you know, they wanna like hook up with people that
• 1:00:39
  are non-vaccinated and then of course have blood transfusions from non, and
• 1:00:43
  the hospitals don't play with that.
• 1:00:45
  Uh, the hospitals for the most part is like if I want, uh,
• 1:00:48
  non, non-vaccinated blood.
• 1:00:51
  And they're, they don't honor that.
• 1:00:53
  So people are getting blood transfusions with, from people
• 1:00:56
  that have been vaccinated.
• 1:00:57
  That's crazy.
• 1:00:58
  Yeah.
• 1:00:58
  I'm in contact with, uh, Mr. Clinton Oler, who's a representative
• 1:01:02
  for the Safe Blood Company.
• 1:01:04
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:01:04
  And that's exactly what they do.
• 1:01:05
  They match unvaccinated recipients of blood with vaccin unvaccinated donors.
• 1:01:10
  And one of the things that Clinton told me recently that was I thought
• 1:01:13
  was interesting is there's even COVID vaccinated people now that
• 1:01:17
  are going in for surgeries that want to get unvaccinated blood.
• 1:01:20
  'cause they don't wanna get any more spike protein damage than they already have.
• 1:01:23
  So there's, there's people that, so thank goodness there's a service for that.
• 1:01:27
  That will, but you're right, uh, it be the, sometimes the hospitals
• 1:01:30
  are play very difficult with that, and they are, they, they make you
• 1:01:34
  feel unsure about whether you're gonna be able to get your own blood.
• 1:01:37
  If, you know, if you're able to donate ahead of time for an operation that you
• 1:01:40
  know is coming up in a month or two, that's probably the best way to do it.
• 1:01:44
  Or if there's an emergency of the, you know, comes up, can you get
• 1:01:48
  blood from an unvaccinated donor?
• 1:01:50
  They're, they hesitate and they try to tell you, oh, there's
• 1:01:53
  nothing wrong with the blood supply that's all screened beforehand.
• 1:01:57
  I don't think so.
• 1:01:57
  I think there was a problem with our national blood supply.
• 1:02:01
  Yeah, I, I've, I've, I've heard reports of, uh, the mothers that,
• 1:02:05
  made the hospital promise that they wouldn't get vaccinated blood to their
• 1:02:08
  children that were getting operated on.
• 1:02:10
  They did anyway.
• 1:02:11
  And their children end up, passing from it.
• 1:02:13
  Uh, so I mean, how do you, how do you go back and, you know,
• 1:02:16
  claim something like that?
• 1:02:17
  You can't, 'cause these hospitals are, you know, covering all this stuff up.
• 1:02:21
  Yeah.
• 1:02:21
  They stick to their pro.
• 1:02:22
  As long as they stick to their protocol, then you can't sue them.
• 1:02:25
  That's, that was the problem during the 2020 and 2021 as well.
• 1:02:29
  Remember the protocol was if you got COVID, they told you to go
• 1:02:33
  home until it got too severe.
• 1:02:34
  Then when you finally came in on like day seven or day eight and you're
• 1:02:37
  really bad, then they put you on rem desi, severe, the kidney killer.
• 1:02:41
  Wow.
• 1:02:41
  And then put you on a ventilator.
• 1:02:43
  And the ventilators, by the way, didn't work at all.
• 1:02:44
  The reason they didn't work is, is because the problem wasn't people
• 1:02:48
  being able to get air into their lungs.
• 1:02:51
  The problem was on the other side of the lung wall with our, with the micro
• 1:02:54
  clotting going on with the blood, not being able to pick up that oxygen and
• 1:02:58
  then carry it to the rest of the body.
• 1:03:00
  Wow.
• 1:03:00
  Yeah.
• 1:03:01
  So they could pump in all the air they wanted to.
• 1:03:03
  It wasn't gonna help the people because the problem was on the other side of the
• 1:03:06
  lung wall where the exchange was taking place with your red blood cells of oxygen.
• 1:03:11
  So they totally got that wrong, yep.
• 1:03:15
  And they'll never admit that, of course.
• 1:03:16
  'cause they were making money off that, you know, people came in with COVID and
• 1:03:19
  they were like, you know, making money.
• 1:03:21
  The hospitals were, so, yeah, it's like you're talking about,
• 1:03:24
  you know, less than 2% or 2% of people actually die from COVID.
• 1:03:27
  It's kinda like the flu, uh, bad case of the flu year, uh, which is pretty much
• 1:03:32
  manufactured to be like that, I believe.
• 1:03:34
  And, uh, you know, they just bumped up the numbers by, you got some
• 1:03:37
  problems breathing, coming into the hospital, we'll take care of you.
• 1:03:40
  And they took care of people.
• 1:03:41
  Like, uh, massive numbers of people died from mdes and you know, the, you know,
• 1:03:46
  the, the breathing tubes and stuff forth.
• 1:03:49
  Yeah.
• 1:03:49
  And the money thing was a factor, by the way, because, uh, in, in this,
• 1:03:52
  uh, interview that this Mr. Dana Ell, who is the as a board member of the
• 1:03:56
  Iowa Funeral Directors Association, he does about a half hour interview
• 1:03:59
  with a Mr. Bob Senate, another funeral director involve from Iowa.
• 1:04:04
  And he tells the story of a woman whose husband passed away supposedly from COVID.
• 1:04:10
  And she's asking Dana at, at the funeral home, she said, have you gotten the
• 1:04:14
  death certificate from my husband yet?
• 1:04:16
  He said, no, I hadn't come in yet.
• 1:04:17
  And she was curious because she wanted to know if COVID was gonna be listed
• 1:04:21
  as a cause of death on the death certificate, because if it was, she
• 1:04:24
  knew she'd be getting a free $7,500 from the government to help pay for
• 1:04:28
  these funeral expenses for her husband.
• 1:04:31
  Well, the, it finally came in, the death certificate did, and
• 1:04:34
  it did not say COVID on it.
• 1:04:35
  It said basically just myocardial infarction, heart attack.
• 1:04:38
  And she and the family were all upset.
• 1:04:41
  But that story, it, it's a good story because it, it shows you
• 1:04:44
  the fraud that was happening.
• 1:04:45
  Hospitals were getting paid to list the deaths as COVID because they
• 1:04:49
  were making thousands of dollars when there was a COVID death.
• 1:04:52
  And then the families of the deceased also were happy if it was listed as
• 1:04:56
  COVID because they would be getting that $7,500 free from the government.
• 1:05:00
  And then of course, the funeral homes were happy 'cause they know they're
• 1:05:02
  gonna get paid $7,500, you know, as well.
• 1:05:05
  So it was a lot of incentive.
• 1:05:08
  To misidentify people who may have died from the vaccine or some other cause
• 1:05:12
  completely, but to list it as COVID instead, because everybody got money.
• 1:05:17
  Yeah.
• 1:05:18
  And uh, here's a quote from one of the nurses in our group, uh, REM Desi Run
• 1:05:22
  Death is near puts them in renal failure.
• 1:05:25
  So sad.
• 1:05:25
  Yeah.
• 1:05:26
  So very, very, uh, you know, sad, all of this.
• 1:05:29
  So many people really died from COVID and how many people died from, the
• 1:05:33
  vaccinations and then people going into the hospital doing rem Desi beer.
• 1:05:37
  And you know, geez, it's, we, are we ever gonna get our arms
• 1:05:42
  wrapped around with the numbers?
• 1:05:44
  I don't know.
• 1:05:44
  And, and part of the problem is that we, it was not only have we had an
• 1:05:48
  epidemic of the virus and the damage done by the vaccines, these last
• 1:05:51
  five years, six years, we also had an epidemic of cowardice, Michael.
• 1:05:56
  Yeah.
• 1:05:56
  Like I said, not only are these embalmers and funeral vectors don't
• 1:05:59
  wanna speak out, but these, the doctors, as I mentioned earlier.
• 1:06:03
  They don't wanna talk about it.
• 1:06:05
  And we have proof that it's happening.
• 1:06:07
  For example, in my 2023 survey I ran, um, that year, my best participant was the
• 1:06:13
  state of Pennsylvania, the Pennsylvania Funeral Directors Association.
• 1:06:17
  I, we sent the email with the link to the Survey Monkey survey.
• 1:06:20
  Like I said, it only takes about three or four minutes to take.
• 1:06:23
  And I sent to Ms. Allison Henkel, they secretary, I said, Allison, would
• 1:06:26
  you please forward this out to all your active involvements across the
• 1:06:29
  state so they can take the survey?
• 1:06:31
  And I know she did that.
• 1:06:32
  'cause the next two days, Michael, I got 125 responses from EMBALMERS in
• 1:06:37
  that one state alone from Pennsylvania.
• 1:06:39
  So that Yeah.
• 1:06:42
  But that, but unfortunately I sent that same email out to 29 other US
• 1:06:46
  state funeral director associations and didn't get that kind of response.
• 1:06:50
  So what's that tell you?
• 1:06:51
  They probably deleted my email.
• 1:06:52
  Right.
• 1:06:53
  They didn't send it down to their embalmers to take, and
• 1:06:55
  it tells you a couple things.
• 1:06:56
  First of all, it tells you the embalmers.
• 1:06:58
  They wanna tell you I think what they're seeing in their embalming rooms.
• 1:07:01
  But if and only if they think they have their permission of either their funeral
• 1:07:05
  director boss at their funeral home or their state funeral director association.
• 1:07:09
  'cause they were, like I said, they were happy to share.
• 1:07:11
  But like I said, if they don't think they have that, then it's silence.
• 1:07:13
  Right.
• 1:07:14
  And it also told me that I think a lot of these funeral director associations and
• 1:07:18
  funeral directors, they didn't want their embalmers to take the survey probably
• 1:07:22
  because they mandated their embalmers and the rest of the staff of their
• 1:07:26
  funeral home take the COVID vaccines.
• 1:07:28
  Right.
• 1:07:29
  Would you wanna participate in the survey that might show a link between the COVID
• 1:07:31
  vaccines and these white fibers, clots and the micro cline if you had mandated
• 1:07:36
  all your employees take the shots?
• 1:07:38
  Yeah.
• 1:07:38
  You set yourself up for liability suit right in front of your
• 1:07:41
  peoples get gets injured.
• 1:07:42
  Same hospitals and the doctors.
• 1:07:44
  Yeah, all of them.
• 1:07:45
  Yeah.
• 1:07:45
  Yeah.
• 1:07:47
  God so sad, all of this.
• 1:07:48
  Uh, but Tom, your, your work is, uh, phenomenal, uh, bringing this
• 1:07:53
  you know, to the public like this.
• 1:07:55
  I haven't seen any work like this anywhere, and I've been looking,
• 1:07:57
  you know, since the beginning.
• 1:07:59
  Uh, you're the, you and your group are the only ones that are really, uh, you
• 1:08:02
  know, getting this stuff out there.
• 1:08:04
  So thanks so much for this.
• 1:08:06
  You know, and the shame of it was, it really wasn't that hard, right?
• 1:08:09
  It was just being a good reporter, like, you know, answering the questions,
• 1:08:12
  who, what, where, when, why, how.
• 1:08:14
  And then, you know, for the embalmers, basically what are you seeing?
• 1:08:17
  When did you see it?
• 1:08:18
  And how much are you seeing?
• 1:08:19
  What percentage of your corps are you seeing these phenomenon in?
• 1:08:22
  Those are the main questions I've been asking them the last, you
• 1:08:24
  know, four years and any, and anybody could have done it right.
• 1:08:28
  And sent it out to the association.
• 1:08:30
  And that's the bizarre part.
• 1:08:31
  Not only of the FDA and the CDC not looking into this, but even
• 1:08:34
  the associations themselves.
• 1:08:36
  If they don't wanna trust me, a retired Air Force major, they could have done
• 1:08:39
  their own surveys with their own people.
• 1:08:41
  Right.
• 1:08:41
  And asked the same questions, but they have it.
• 1:08:44
  It's really bizarre, isn't it, that nobody seems to want to talk about this
• 1:08:47
  even though they know it's happening.
• 1:08:49
  Like I said, and it's happening is these things are not rare.
• 1:08:51
  They're in, like I said, 20 to 30% of dead bodies.
• 1:08:55
  And it does make you wonder what percentage of the living population
• 1:08:59
  are walking around right now with these things, forming inside them.
• 1:09:02
  Even if it's only 5% of the population that's still 15 million Americans.
• 1:09:07
  You know, we, this is a huge thing going on.
• 1:09:10
  Yeah.
• 1:09:12
  And uh, you know, it'll be great to see the, the next, uh, results that, uh, when
• 1:09:16
  are the next results coming out for 2020?
• 1:09:18
  Well, you know, I'm worried that we're not gonna be able to do it 2026 survey
• 1:09:21
  at the end of this next year, because.
• 1:09:23
  If I only had 59 responses to this last one for 2025, what
• 1:09:27
  do you think is gonna happen?
• 1:09:28
  You know, so I hate to say this, Michael, but I think maybe the only
• 1:09:32
  way for this thing to maybe break wide open two, two different ways.
• 1:09:36
  One is for people like Tucker Carlson, uh, or Glenn Beck, or Megan
• 1:09:40
  Kelly, who shows I've been trying to get on for the last three years.
• 1:09:44
  I've, I'm in contact with all of 'em.
• 1:09:45
  In fact, in September of 2024, I actually paid $1,600 of my
• 1:09:50
  own money to go meet Tucker in person at a meet and greet event.
• 1:09:54
  And when he was doing his tour around the country, he was in Hershey, Pennsylvania.
• 1:09:58
  So I went that night, he was in Hershey, and I gave him a vi, a violent clause.
• 1:10:02
  I held it up to him.
• 1:10:03
  First of all, I said, Tucker, let me introduce you to the most spectacular
• 1:10:06
  side effect of the COVID-19 vaccines.
• 1:10:09
  He said, is this for real?
• 1:10:11
  I says, for real Tucker.
• 1:10:12
  Then he said, I'm glad I didn't take the shot.
• 1:10:15
  But that wasn't enough, right?
• 1:10:16
  He should have had me on his show.
• 1:10:18
  I gave him a violet cloth to keep, I gave another vial just like
• 1:10:21
  this to his producer Samantha, who was there that night.
• 1:10:24
  As long as, as well as my contact information.
• 1:10:26
  Crickets Michael.
• 1:10:27
  They have not contacted me about coming on Tucker's show to talk about this, despite
• 1:10:32
  the fact that I have all this evidence.
• 1:10:33
  We know with video of embalmers at the Tennessee Convention raising their hands.
• 1:10:38
  I have the names of well-respected embalmers and presidents of
• 1:10:41
  Funeral Director Association, state Funeral Director Association
• 1:10:44
  saying they're seeing the cloths.
• 1:10:46
  I've got all this evidence, you know, but Megan Kelly, also her, uh, Booker,
• 1:10:51
  Allison Jordan's, uh, they've turned me down several times to come on
• 1:10:54
  the show despite the fact that Megan herself was injured by the vaccines.
• 1:10:59
  Exactly.
• 1:10:59
  She has an autoimmune disease caused by the COVID vaccines.
• 1:11:02
  Yes.
• 1:11:02
  She does not wanna have me on her show.
• 1:11:04
  Didn't have bizarre.
• 1:11:06
  It's
• 1:11:06
  bizarre.
• 1:11:06
  Well, I mean, you did go on redacted and that, I think that's great.
• 1:11:10
  He's got almost 3 million subscribers.
• 1:11:12
  Yeah.
• 1:11:12
  I've also done, um, Cheryl Atkinson's full measure TV show.
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  Okay.
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  But that's been several years ago.
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  I also was on Dell Bres the high Wire, along with, uh,
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  involving Richard Hirshman.
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  Very
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  good.
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  Uh, Donya Celick from the Epic Times.
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  I did an hour long sit down American thought leaders with Jan. I was in DC for
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  one of the hearings with Senator Johnson.
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  And then after the hearing was over myself, Edward Dowd, Jessica Rose,
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  we went down the street to the Epic Times headquarter when we all did
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  interviews that same day with Janick.
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  You know, I, and I've been on the other for, for example, my interview with, um,
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  John Campbell, the, the older gentleman in the UK who runs a YouTube channel.
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  Yep.
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  One of my very first interviews with John.
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  Uh, Michael got 2.2 million views and had over 27,000 comments to it.
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  If you go through those 27,000 comments, comment after comment from people either
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  themselves or a loved one or friend they know talking about their vaccine
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  injury and, you know, the clots they developed and other, and other ailments.
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  That's what I saw when I, uh, when I talked about your, your, you
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  and your, uh, your, your, your information on my show just recently.
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  The comments were like over the top and there was a lot, you know, I'd
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  get, you know, 40, 50,000 maybe, and they really came in and watched that.
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  They were, they were enthralled by that.
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  So
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  what's funny is, you know, I don't, I take all the comments that come in,
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  even the naysayers, and there's always a couple naysayers in these that say
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  all these clots aren't happening.
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  Some of 'em will claim the clots have always existed.
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  That's wrong because, uh, Dr. Campbell, for example, has
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  all these old pathology books.
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  If you look through all the books, you see the grape jelly CLOs,
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  traditional grape jelly CLOs, you see the traditional chicken fat cloths.
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  You don't see these in there.
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  You can't find them in there.
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  So there was a case back in the late eight, uh, 1980s, early 1990s
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  of a syndrome called white clot syndrome, which is interesting.
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  There were white clots that were similar to these that
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  were happening for a few years.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  It turned out that those white clots were being driven by the
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  anticoagulant drug heparin.
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  And the culprit in the heparin seemed to be, uh, sulfur.
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  There was too much sulfur in the heparin, so they reduced the strength of the
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  sulfur, and then that problem went away.
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  Well, these particular clots, like I said, they're being
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  driven by the element phosphorus.
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  Well, guess what?
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  Phosphorus just happens to sit right next to sulfur on the periodic table and has
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  a lot of the same bonding properties.
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  In fact, it actually outcompete sulfur.
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  For bonding with things like fibrinogen.
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  So that's just further evidence that this is being driven, like
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  I said, by the element phosphorus as well as the el element sulfur.
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  Like I said, the evidence we have is overwhelming.
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  Yes, absolutely.
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  So, uh, Tom, how can people, uh, reach you if they want to reach out?
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  Yeah, they can, uh, go to our free substack.
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  We don't charge any money for it.
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  We're not grifters, you know, I'm not writing a book.
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  We're not, you know, so this is a free substack, we call it clo
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  Catastrophe, as you mentioned earlier.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And they can find that at laura L-A-U-R-A, Kaner, K-A-S-N-E r.substack.com.
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  Laura kaner.substack.com.
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  They can also contact me at Thomas Haviland.
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  At SBC global.net, especially if you're an embalmer or a, uh, vascular surgeon,
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  cardiologist, endovascular specialist.
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  I would love to talk to you about pulling these things out
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  of both the dead and the living.
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  Absolutely.
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  We're always looking for new people to wanna come forward.
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  Yeah.
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  And I, this is great.
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  You're doing, you're reaching out, doing these shows like that because
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  it'll, it'll start to get people, more secure about, you know, coming
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  out and revealing, uh, just like you did with, uh, you know, just.
• 1:14:47
  To the general public, and you had, uh, you know, tons of
• 1:14:49
  response from the general public.
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  So maybe some you know, general public type, uh, surveys,
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  you know, more of those.
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  And, you know, I would love to help, you know, help you with
• 1:14:58
  anything that you want to push out.
• 1:14:59
  So, and we'll definitely put the, uh, your links down in the description box so that,
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  uh, people can contact you or reach out.
• 1:15:06
  So Tom, absolutely incredible show great reveals.
• 1:15:11
  I've been looking for this information for so long and, and you're bringing it.
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  They're bringing it big.
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  So, uh, uh, good luck in the future.
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  Hopefully we get more people responding.
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  You get some of those, uh, high level shows, it seems to be, when people
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  come on my show, they go, they go big.
• 1:15:25
  So hopefully this
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  happens.
• 1:15:27
  Well, that would be a wonderful thank you, Michael, for having me.
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  And by the way, I wanna give people a little bit of hope.
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  Uh, you know, Dr. Peter McCullough and others are coming up with
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  protocols like the Nattokinase, romaine Curcumin protocol, which helps
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  clear the body of the spike protein, which is causing these clots and all
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  these, a lot of this other damage.
• 1:15:44
  Like I said, unfortunately once, once these things form though,
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  that's, you can't break 'em down.
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  Not even with big clot busting drugs, like tissue plasma is an activator.
• 1:15:52
  Uh, doctors then, like I said, that Dr. Mohan Bashar, who works in that
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  cath lab, that's when he has the only flexible catheters that, you
• 1:15:58
  know, suck the clot out, scrape it out, or lasso and pull it out.
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  But we wanna give people hope, uh, that, the trick is not to have these things
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  form in the first place by detoxing your body of the damaging spike protein.
• 1:16:10
  Yeah.
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  And then on other side of that, all those people that contributed to this, you know,
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  we want to make it so that, maybe they're not held accountable on the level that
• 1:16:18
  many of 'em think they will be, uh, if they're, you know, forced into pretty much
• 1:16:21
  like a lot of people were, you know, and.
• 1:16:23
  Pushing it.
• 1:16:24
  I think maybe we should, you know, show that they can, they're gonna not be held
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  accountable, just come out and reveal and then help us, you know, overcome this.
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  And you're gonna be held, you're gonna be a hero instead of a zero,
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  exactly.
• 1:16:35
  Yeah.
• 1:16:36
  Like we have, we have to consider maybe giving some amnesty to doctors.
• 1:16:39
  Yeah.
• 1:16:39
  You feel like an embalmers so they get more vocal about this.
• 1:16:43
  That's a fine, that sword though, because, you know, if these people had spoken out
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  earlier, we wouldn't be in this situation.
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  And there's a lot of people who have dead loved ones, or severely injured
• 1:16:52
  loved ones who aren't gonna be too happy about giving amnesty to somebody
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  who stayed silent and was a coward.
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  Yeah.
• 1:16:59
  So it's a, it's a double-edged sword.
• 1:17:01
  Yeah.
• 1:17:03
  But I, yeah, it's, you know, there's a lot of, a lot of people out there
• 1:17:06
  that have sinned and, who, who hasn't, uh, you know, we, we have to like give
• 1:17:10
  them the ones that are less culpable, uh, you know, some kind of, uh, leeway.
• 1:17:15
  Uh, otherwise we're gonna be like.
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  Millions of people are gonna be held accountable and that
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  we just can't have that.
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  So
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  agreed.
• 1:17:22
  Thanks Michael.
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  Thank you Tom.
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  And, uh, have fantastic show again and, uh, look forward to, uh,
• 1:17:27
  your success in the future and revealing all this information.
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  Appreciate it.
• 1:17:31
  Thank you.