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The Packers Were Named for a Meat Plant. The Town Still Owns the Team. · The Red Solo Traveler Podcast

• 0:08
  Speaker 1: Imagine a billion-dollar American sports franchise where, like, stock pays
• 0:12
  Speaker 1: zero dividends. You get absolutely no say in how the
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  Speaker 1: organization is run. And if the team is ever sold,
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  Speaker 1: every single penny goes to charity. It sounds like a
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  Speaker 1: spectacularly terrible investment.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that is a financial advisor's absolute worst nightmare, honestly.
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  Speaker 2: You are essentially just buying a piece of paper that
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  Speaker 2: guarantees you nothing but emotional attachment.
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  Speaker 1: Truly. But for, well, roughly 539,000 people holding over 5
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: million shares, it is the greatest piece of paper on Earth.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, without a doubt. It's a badge of honor for them.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to this exploration on the Red Solo Traveler podcast. Today,
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  Speaker 1: we're taking a journey into the material to dissect what
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  Speaker 1: has to be the most baffling... physics-defying anomaly in American
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  Speaker 1: professional sports.
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  Speaker 2: It really defies every rule of modern sports economics.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. We are looking at a working-class meatpacking town, by
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  Speaker 1: far the smallest market in the major leagues, that somehow
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  Speaker 1: fended off billionaires, giant television markets, and decades of corporate
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  Speaker 1: consolidation just to hold on to a major NFL franchise.
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  Speaker 1: We are going to Green Bay, Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 2: You're talking about a metro area of what, maybe a
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  Speaker 2: quarter million people? standing shoulder to shoulder with colossal economic
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  Speaker 2: engines like New York, Los Angeles, Chicago.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And the only way they pull that off is by
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  Speaker 2: playing a completely different game under a completely different set
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  Speaker 2: of rules than the rest of the league.
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  Speaker 1: And today, your mission as a listener is to join
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  Speaker 1: us as we figure out the mechanics of that survival.
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  Speaker 1: We are going to explore the unique 1923 nonprofit filing
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  Speaker 1: that made this all possible, how the physical concrete of
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  Speaker 1: their stadiums proves this wild model actually works, and, well,
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  Speaker 1: the visceral reality of a rainy Sunday in the bleachers.
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  Speaker 2: Which is an experience unlike any other in sports, honestly.
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  Speaker 1: It really is. And finally, we'll look at how the
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  Speaker 1: modern Titletown district pays the 21st century bills without losing
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  Speaker 1: the soul of the franchise. Okay, let's unpack this.
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  Speaker 2: So to really understand anything about Green Bay, you have
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  Speaker 2: to look past the field and start with the architecture.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, like the stadium?
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  Speaker 2: Not the physical architecture. We will get to that in
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  Speaker 2: a bit. But the invisible legal architecture. That legal framework
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  Speaker 2: is what makes this team entirely immune to the normal
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  Speaker 2: rules of the National Football League.
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  Speaker 1: Because every other team in the NFL has an owner, right?
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  Speaker 1: Or at least an ownership group. You picture someone sitting
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  Speaker 1: in a luxury suite who holds the deed to the franchise.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. A billionaire can do whatever they want.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. They can sell it, move it, leverage it for
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  Speaker 1: public tax dollars. Mm-hmm. But Green Bay doesn't have an owner.
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  Speaker 1: Green Bay has shareholders. And this isn't just some cute
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  Speaker 1: marketing slogan printed on a foam cheese head.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's a very real legal standing.
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  Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers, Inc. has been a publicly held nonprofit
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  Speaker 1: corporation since August 18th, 1923.
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  Speaker 2: The scale of that ownership is staggering when you dig
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  Speaker 2: into it. We are talking about 5.2 million shares spread
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  Speaker 2: across those 539,000 people. That's a massive base.
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  Speaker 1: It is.
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  Speaker 2: But the mechanics of those shares are what make this
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  Speaker 2: so brilliant and, frankly, so bizarre to anyone with a
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  Speaker 2: traditional finance background. Like you mentioned in the intro, nobody
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  Speaker 2: collects a dividend.
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  Speaker 1: Zero return on investment.
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  Speaker 2: Right. There is no financial return on this stock. You
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  Speaker 2: can't trade it on the New York Stock Exchange. Its
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  Speaker 2: financial value is essentially functionally zero.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, let me push back on this for a second.
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  Speaker 1: If it yields no dividend, it confers no real vote
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  Speaker 1: to move the franchise, and you don't even get paid
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  Speaker 1: if the team is sold. Why do people buy it?
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  Speaker 2: It's a great question.
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  Speaker 1: It sounds like buying into a homeowners association that claims
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  Speaker 1: ownership of a Fortune 500 company purely so you can
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  Speaker 1: get a certificate to frame on your wall and, you know,
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  Speaker 1: have some bragging rights at a dinner party.
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  Speaker 2: Well, what's fascinating here is that the bragging rights are
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  Speaker 2: actually the defense mechanism.
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  Speaker 1: How do you mean?
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  Speaker 2: The Articles of Incorporation essentially make a relocation payday mathematically worthless.
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  Speaker 2: Think about how a sports team usually moves to a
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  Speaker 2: new city.
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  Speaker 1: Right. An owner decides they can make more money in
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  Speaker 1: a larger market.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Or they sell the team to a billionaire who
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  Speaker 2: wants to pack up the moving bands. But in Green Bay,
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  Speaker 2: there is a strict legal cap of 200,000 shares per person.
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  Speaker 1: Ah, okay.
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  Speaker 2: So no single billionaire can swoop in and just buy
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  Speaker 2: a controlling 51% interest. You literally cannot execute a hostile
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  Speaker 2: takeover of the Green Bay Packers.
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  Speaker 1: Precisely. It's legally impossible. And then there is the ultimate
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  Speaker 1: poison pill baked into this 1923 document.
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  Speaker 2: It's a charity clause.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Let's say, hypothetically, the club faced bankruptcy and had
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  Speaker 1: to be dissolved, or a massive vote somehow triggered a sale.
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  Speaker 1: The money from that multi-billion dollar sale does not go
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  Speaker 1: to the hundreds of thousands of fans holding the paper.
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  Speaker 2: Not a single cent.
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  Speaker 1: Not a single cent. Every single penny goes to the
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  Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers Foundation, which is their charitable arm. The
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  Speaker 1: shareholders get nothing.
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  Speaker 2: It's like it's like installing a self-destruct button on a
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  Speaker 2: bank vault. If a billionaire tries to steal it, the
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  Speaker 2: cash instantly turns to ash.
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  Speaker 1: That's a perfect way to describe it.
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  Speaker 2: There is zero financial incentive for anyone holding the stock
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  Speaker 2: to ever vote to sell the team because they wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: see a dime of the profits anyway. It completely removes
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  Speaker 2: greed from the equation. It neutralizes the exact financial mechanism
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  Speaker 2: that has torn sports franchises away from dozens of other
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  Speaker 2: American cities over the last century.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Like we've seen so many teams just up and
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  Speaker 1: leave in the middle of the night.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. And what's even more telling is the NFL's reaction
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  Speaker 2: to this structure.
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  Speaker 1: They must hate it.
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  Speaker 2: They do. The league later wrote rules making this exact
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  Speaker 2: nonprofit publicly held model explicitly illegal for everyone else.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, really?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. The NFL is a closed ecosystem of private owners,
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  Speaker 2: and they want franchise valuations to keep skyrocketing. A nonprofit
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  Speaker 2: messes with their entire business model, so no other team
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  Speaker 2: is allowed to do this today.
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  Speaker 1: But because Green Bay was already doing it back in 1923,
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  Speaker 1: they were grandfathered in.
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  Speaker 2: Yep. They are a living, breathing loophole.
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  Speaker 1: A loophole that saved the team, honestly. Yeah. But a
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  Speaker 1: legal document sitting in a drawer somewhere can't stop a
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  Speaker 1: team from folding on its own.
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  Speaker 2: No, it can't.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, a piece of paper doesn't block the moving vans.
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  Speaker 1: It requires a real physical civic commitment, which brings us
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  Speaker 1: to the actual concrete of the stadium. Because that 1923
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  Speaker 1: nonprofit filing directly fueled the literal building of their home turf.
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  Speaker 2: The transition from paper to physical infrastructure is where the
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  Speaker 2: community's commitment was truly tested. But to appreciate why the
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  Speaker 2: stadium matters so much, you kind of have to look
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  Speaker 2: at the team's origins.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Way back at the start.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. They were organized back in 1919 by Curly Lambeau
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  Speaker 2: and a newspaper editor named George Whitney Calhoun.
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  Speaker 1: And the name Packers literally followed the money. Curly Lambeau
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  Speaker 1: worked at the Indian Packing Company. The meatpacking plant put
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  Speaker 1: up $ 500 for jerseys and equipment.
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  Speaker 2: $ 500. It's just wild to think about now. Right.
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  Speaker 1: That $ 500 is how they got the name. And from there,
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  Speaker 1: they survived near bankruptcy, rainouts and all these financial rescues
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  Speaker 1: by local businessmen, which is what actually led to that
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  Speaker 1: first defensive stock sale in 1923.
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  Speaker 2: The real existential threat, however, wasn't just bankruptcy. It was geography. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: For decades, Milwaukee was actively trying to pull the team away.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, from 1933 all the way through 1994. The
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  Speaker 2: Packers actually played a slice of their home schedule in Milwaukee.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. I didn't realize it went on for that long.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were splitting their time between Green Bay and
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  Speaker 2: places like State Fair Park and County Stadium in Milwaukee.
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  Speaker 2: It was a very real looming possibility that they could
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  Speaker 2: have just migrated south permanently to a much bigger, more
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  Speaker 2: lucrative market.
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  Speaker 1: Well, here's where it gets really interesting. The town of
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  Speaker 1: Green Bay essentially drew a line in the dirt.
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  Speaker 2: They had to.
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  Speaker 1: In 1956, the city held a municipal bond vote to
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  Speaker 1: build a brand new stadium. They were asking the taxpayers
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  Speaker 1: of this tiny market to put up roughly $ 960, 000 to
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  Speaker 1: keep the team.
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  Speaker 2: I want to pause on that for a second, because
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  Speaker 2: understanding the mechanics of a municipal bond is crucial here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, break that down for us.
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  Speaker 2: A municipal bond isn't a charity drive. It means the
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  Speaker 2: city government is taking on massive debt to build the stadium,
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  Speaker 2: and the taxpayers are legally on the hook to pay
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  Speaker 2: it back through their taxes if things go south.
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  Speaker 1: Which is a huge gamble.
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  Speaker 2: A massive gamble. For a working class town in 1956
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  Speaker 2: to take on nearly a million dollars in civic debt
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  Speaker 2: for a football team, that is an astonishing level of risk.
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  Speaker 2: If the team fails, the city's ability to fund schools, roads,
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  Speaker 2: basic infrastructure takes a direct hit.
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  Speaker 1: It's the ultimate put your money where your mouth is moment.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: And the voters actually said yes.
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  Speaker 2: They did. If we connect this to the bigger picture,
• 8:53
  Speaker 2: that 1956 bond vote was the town doubling down on
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  Speaker 2: its 1923 investment. They were choosing to build a massive
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  Speaker 2: concrete structure on a sloping patch of farmland at the
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  Speaker 2: edge of town rather than chase the easier money down
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  Speaker 2: in Milwaukee.
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  Speaker 1: It was a total rejection of the corporate sports model.
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  Speaker 2: It really was. That vote was the definitive sentence that
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  Speaker 2: ended Milwaukee's hopes of ever permanently acquiring the franchise.
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  Speaker 1: And what they built was historic. In 1957, they opened
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  Speaker 1: New City Stadium. It was the very first stadium constructed
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  Speaker 1: specifically for an NFL club.
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  Speaker 2: Which is crazy to think about now, given how many
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  Speaker 2: multi-billion dollar stadiums exist today. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Everywhere else, the other 11 teams in the league were
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  Speaker 1: still borrowing baseball parks to play football. Green Bay built
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  Speaker 1: a dedicated football cathedral.
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  Speaker 2: They inaugurated it properly, too. Opening day 1957, they beat
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  Speaker 2: their eternal rivals, the Chicago Bears, 21 to 17.
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  Speaker 1: You couldn't script it better.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's perfect.
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  Speaker 1: The stadium was later renamed for founder Curly Lambeau. in
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  Speaker 1: 1965 after he passed away, giving us the iconic Lambeau Field.
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  Speaker 1: But the most stagnant statistic to me, when you look
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  Speaker 1: at the physical proof of this town's dedication, isn't just
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  Speaker 1: the concrete. It's the attendance.
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  Speaker 2: The streak is unbelievable.
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  Speaker 1: Every single home game has been sold out since 1960.
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  Speaker 1: Think about that for a second. A town of a
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  Speaker 1: couple hundred thousand people refused to let their team migrate,
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  Speaker 1: built a stadium and and has packed it to the
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  Speaker 1: brim for over six decades without a single gap.
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  Speaker 2: And that historical architecture, the 1923 filing, the 1956 bond,
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  Speaker 2: it's only relevant because of what happens inside that bowl
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  Speaker 2: right now.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: The Sunday experience isn't just a football game. It is
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  Speaker 2: the living, breathing evidence of that civic willpower playing out
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  Speaker 2: in real time.
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  Speaker 1: Let's put you, the listener, right there in the stands
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  Speaker 1: to feel what that willpower actually looks like. The date
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  Speaker 1: is October 13, 2024. You've made the trip. You've taken
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  Speaker 1: the shuttle with fans who flew in from, I don't know,
• 10:51
  Speaker 1: North Dakota and California. And you are walking into Lambeau Field.
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  Speaker 2: It's a pilgrimage.
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  Speaker 1: It really is. And the very first thing you notice
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  Speaker 1: isn't the pristine grass. It's the weather.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely. The weather in Green Bay is practically part
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  Speaker 2: of the exhibit. On this particular Sunday, it's heavily overcast
• 11:08
  Speaker 2: and cold. There is a light mist in the air
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  Speaker 2: that steadily turns into a driving rain by kickoff.
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  Speaker 1: And you are sitting in Section 105, Row 24, Seat 5.
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  Speaker 1: You weren't in a padded club chair in a climate-controlled
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  Speaker 1: VIP suite.
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  Speaker 2: Not even close.
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  Speaker 1: You were sitting on cold metal bleachers in the lower bowl.
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  Speaker 1: By the second quarter, you were completely drenched, your boots
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  Speaker 1: were freezing, and you absolutely do not care.
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  Speaker 2: You're loving it, actually.
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  Speaker 1: Right. If you were at any other stadium in the country,
• 11:34
  Speaker 1: that level of physical discomfort would be a primary complaint.
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  Speaker 1: You'd be miserable. But in Green Bay, it is a
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  Speaker 1: badge of honor. You are actively experiencing the elements the
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  Speaker 1: building is famous for.
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  Speaker 2: It creates a shared adversity that really bonds the crowd.
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  Speaker 2: You aren't just consumers watching a product. You are participants
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  Speaker 2: enduring the environment together.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the crowd is part of the game.
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  Speaker 2: And that crowd was treated to a spectacular game that afternoon,
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  Speaker 2: a decisive 34-13 victory over the Arizona Cardinals.
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  Speaker 1: A total blowout. It was.
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  Speaker 2: You had quarterback Jordan Love putting on an absolute clinic
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  Speaker 2: in the rain, throwing four touchdown passes. He hit Jaden Reed,
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  Speaker 2: found Romeo Delbs twice in the end zone, and connected
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  Speaker 2: with Christian Watson.
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  Speaker 1: Every single time they scored, the reaction in Section 105
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  Speaker 1: was just pure electricity. Total strangers turning to each other,
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  Speaker 1: high-fiving in the pouring rain. And there were 77,773 people
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  Speaker 1: in attendance doing the exact same thing.
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  Speaker 2: That attendance number highlights an incredible paradox about this franchise.
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  Speaker 2: The Green Bay metro area has a population of roughly 250,000 people.
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  Speaker 1: So not nearly enough to sustain them.
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  Speaker 2: Mathematically, they cannot fill a 77,000 seat stadium by themselves
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  Speaker 2: week after week, year after year. So a team that
• 12:48
  Speaker 2: is defined by being deeply local and entirely community owned
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  Speaker 2: only survives by becoming a national pilgrimage site.
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  Speaker 1: That is so true.
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  Speaker 2: The rest of the country flies in to fill those
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  Speaker 2: seats and buy those hot dogs.
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  Speaker 1: It is a phenomenal contrast. Like if you go to
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: a game in New England, even a passionate high stakes game,
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  Speaker 1: there's often this reserved, quieter energy in the stands. It's intense,
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  Speaker 1: but it's contained.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a very different vibe.
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  Speaker 1: Green Bay is completely unreserved. It's deafening. You are surrounded
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  Speaker 1: by people who have traveled hundreds, sometimes thousands of miles
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  Speaker 1: to sit in the rain on a metal bench just
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  Speaker 1: to say they were a part of it.
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  Speaker 2: But as romantic as those high fives in the rain are,
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  Speaker 2: romance does not pay the salaries of modern NFL athletes.
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  Speaker 1: No, it definitely doesn't.
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  Speaker 2: And that brings us to the inherent tension of the
• 13:35
  Speaker 2: modern era. How does a quaint small market nonprofit generate
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  Speaker 2: the massive, sustained revenue required to compete in a league
• 13:43
  Speaker 2: of billionaires handing out $ 200 million contracts?
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  Speaker 1: That is the multi-million dollar question. Because the 1923 structure
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  Speaker 1: keeps the team from leaving, sure. But it doesn't automatically
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: print the cash needed to sign a star quarterback or
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: retain a top-tier head coach in 2024. Exactly. And the
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  Speaker 1: answer to that financial puzzle is Titletown.
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  Speaker 2: Titletown is the sprawling mixed-use district built directly next to
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: Lambeau Field. It is a highly strategic real estate move
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  Speaker 2: by the organization.
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  Speaker 1: Right, because they have to get creative.
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  Speaker 2: They do. To understand why it's necessary, you have to
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: look at how NFL teams make money. National television revenue
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  Speaker 2: is split evenly among all 32 teams. But local revenue,
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: things like luxury suites, local sponsorships, concessions, and real estate,
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  Speaker 2: that stays with the club.
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  Speaker 1: Ah, so that's the separator.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Green Bay can't rely solely on selling tickets for eight
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: or nine home games a year. They need revenue flowing
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: in on a random Tuesday in May. So they built Titletown,
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: featuring a luxury hotel, a brewery, restaurants, and a massive
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: public lawn. It is designed to capture revenue 365 days
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: a year.
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  Speaker 1: It is very comparable to what we've seen in other
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  Speaker 1: ambitious markets. Think of the Battery Atlanta, right next to
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: Truist Park for the Braves. Or Patriot Place next to
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  Speaker 1: Gillette Stadium in Foxborough.
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  Speaker 2: Very similar blueprints.
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  Speaker 1: It's the exact same business logic. Build a massive destination
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: district around the stadium to subsidize the skyrocketing costs of
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  Speaker 1: the roster. But here in Green Bay, it creates a
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  Speaker 1: very distinct feeling of ambivalence.
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  Speaker 2: This raises an important question about the balance between heritage
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  Speaker 2: and commercial survival.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The Green Bay Packers are fundamentally defined by a frozen bowl,
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: wet metal bleachers, And a historic anti-greed 1923 filing. They
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: are the ultimate town team sustained by working class grit.
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  Speaker 1: And Titletown is the opposite of that.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Titletown is a slick, highly polished corporate development. It
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  Speaker 2: feels a bit out of step with the gritty mythology
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: of a meatpacking plant putting up $ 500.
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  Speaker 1: So what does this all mean? Does building a mega
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: district risk erasing the very charm that makes Green Bay
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  Speaker 1: so special?
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: It's a risk they have to manage.
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  Speaker 1: You fly all the way to Wisconsin for the history.
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  Speaker 1: for the romance of the 1956 municipal bond, and you
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: end up standing in a modern commercial plaza that looks
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: like any other high-end outdoor mall in America. It creates
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  Speaker 1: this real palpable tension for the fans who love the
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: purity of the franchise.
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  Speaker 2: It definitely creates tension, but we have to look at
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  Speaker 2: the reality of the ecosystem we discussed at the start
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  Speaker 2: of our analysis. Titletown doesn't erase the 1923 filing. Rather,
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: it is exactly what that filing has to do to
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: survive today.
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  Speaker 1: Because there's no owner to write a blank check.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: Exactly. The nonprofit model prevents a wealthy earner from simply
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: injecting half a billion dollars of personal wealth into the
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: club's facilities or signing bonuses. They have to generate every
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: single dollar themselves. Titletown is the modern bill for maintaining
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: an 1823 structure in a 2024 economy.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: It's the necessary compromise. Yeah. You can't have the town
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: team romance on the field without the corporate real estate
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: engine paying for it off the field.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: Well said.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: And honestly, there is a physical detail right outside the
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: stadium that offers a lot of relief for anyone worried
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: that the team is losing its soul to modernization.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: Oh, the statues. Yes.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: When you walk around Lambeau Field, the statues they have
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: erected These towering monuments that greet the fans before they
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: walk through the gates. They are still of the players
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: and the legendary coaches.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: Which is such a nice touch.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: They aren't monuments to corporate sponsors. And because of their structure,
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: there are no statues of billionaire owners. They have kept
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: the correct order of priorities. The game, and the people
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: who actually play it, still come first.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: That visual hierarchy is incredibly important. It communicates to everyone
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: walking out of a restaurant in Titletown that the commercial
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: district exists purely to serve the football team, not the
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: other way around. Right.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: The real estate funds the history. It doesn't replace it.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: It really is a masterclass in adapting without losing your identity.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: When we take a step back and look at this
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: entire journey through the sources, the progression is just astounding.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: It really is a one-of-a-kind story.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: You start with an ironclad 1923 nonprofit filing. that mathematically
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: banned a relocation payday and legally locked the team in
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: place with a poison pill. Then you move to a
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: $ 500 donation from a meatpacking plant that gave them their
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: very name.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Then you see the physical concrete manifestation of that loyalty
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: in the 1956 municipal bond and the construction of New
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: City Stadium.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Which successfully fended off the very real, very lucrative threat
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: of moving to Milwaukee. Right. Which brings you all the
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: way to a freezing, rainy bleacher seat in October 2024,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: high-fiving strangers from across the country in Section 105, surrounded
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: by a modern mixed-use real estate district that ensured they
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: can afford to keep doing this for another hundred years.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: It is a brilliant, unbroken chain of community willpower.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: It truly is.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: It proves that the standard hyper-capitalist model of sports ownership
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: isn't the only way a team can thrive. It's just
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: the model that benefits the few the most. Green Bay
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: proves that a community can hold the leverage, endure the elements,
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: and compete at the highest level— if they build the
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: legal and civic structure right from the very beginning.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: And that leaves us with a lingering idea to mull
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: over as we wrap up our analysis today. If a
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: small Midwestern meatpacking town can sustain a major, world-class sports
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: franchise for over a century, purely through community willpower and
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: an anti-greed legal structure, wait, sorry, I just realized I'm
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: trailing off, what other local institutions or industries could be
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: saved or entirely transformed if we simply removed billionaires from
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: the equation?
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: That is a profound question.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: It makes you wonder what else we've been told is
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: impossible by the people who profit from keeping things exactly
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: the way they are. Thank you so much for joining
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: us on this exploration of the sources on the Red
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Solo Traveler podcast. Until next time, stay curious.