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Ep. 50 — When Heaven Breaks Through | Sasquatch & Sourdough · Sasquatch & Sourdough

• 0:12
  SPEAKER_00: There are stories we carry that don't fit neatly into the world we were told was real.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_00: Moments that feel strange, unsettling, or unexplainable, yet somehow meaningful.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_00: Sasquatch and sourdough is a place to bring those stories.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_00: Here we explore the unexplained, the supernatural, folklore, history, and high strangeness through the lens of faith, scripture, and discernment.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_00: Not to sensationalize the unknown, but to examine it slowly, thoughtfully, and with the reminder that God is present even in the most unexpected places.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is weirdly encouraging content for curious minds, faithful hearts, and anyone who's ever felt like the world is weirder than they ever imagined.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to Sasquatch and Sourdough.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_00: This is episode 50.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_00: I cannot believe it.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_00: Episode 50, that's amazing.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_00: I know I've been kind of MIA.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_00: I've been um kind of on this full journey.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_00: I just want to see where God is gonna lead this podcast.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_00: And if you follow, you should be following hopefully on Instagram by now.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um or Facebook.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_00: I have a Facebook too that's connected to the Instagram.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_00: But anyway, that's where I do a lot of my kind of like, hey, if I'm not recording a podcast, this is what I'm up to.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_00: Uh kind of connection.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_00: So that way you can kind of always keep track of like what's happening over here.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm really kind of excited because God is really just he's increasing my knowledge of like a lot of video editing software.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_00: So that's been kind of fun.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_00: I'm trying to find a way to just continue to make encouraging content for you guys that is also weird.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_00: So weirdly encouraging content without kind of doing what everybody else is doing.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone out there seems to be stuck in these like rabbit trails and funny holes and all this stuff of like really negative.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_00: I just don't want to deal with what the world's doing right now.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm kind of just gonna keep following what God wants for this podcast.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm glad you're still here.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_00: So a couple housekeeping things.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um, hello to I was going through all the analytics and I keep this place keeps coming up in the analytics, and I hope you're not a bot.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_00: I hope you're a real person.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_00: But I wanted to say hello to my listeners in Scotland, in Motherwell.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_00: If you are listening in Motherwell, thank you so much for listening.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a pleasure and a joy every time I look at my analytics to see someone on the map in Motherwell.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_00: And I hope you're doing awesome.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_00: Please, if you if you find it in your heart, please just message me and say hi.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_00: Because I I just think it's so fun that there's like this little corner of Scotland listening.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, um, Dodge just doing his thing and I'm gonna keep rolling with it.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_00: So if you're new here, welcome.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, if you so I don't know, I guess sometimes when people like when you first find a podcast, you just go to the most recent episode.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_00: So if this is your first time listening, hi, welcome.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the pod.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but if you've gone back a few episodes, you'll you'll see how different things have kind of gradually become.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and that's just like I said before, just really giving this over to God and seeing where he's gonna take it.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_00: So I want this to be more of an encouragement and you know, something that's a little bit not as heavy really as a lot of the other podcasts that are out there are kind of stuck in this heaviness, and the world is heavy and life is heavy.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_00: So, why not have a little breather?
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_00: So, kind of in my last episode where I was kind of explaining where everything's going, I mentioned that I'm in the middle of doing this prayer and fasting at church, and it's been amazing.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I've really seen a shift in my own life, just being connected and grounded every day to God and following, trying my best to follow where He wants me to go daily, not just in the podcast life, but in my personal life, in my family life, you know, in with work and ministry, it's all kind of coming together.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I really think it's just from taking that time in the morning or even sometimes at night.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes I do it backwards because it's just the way that the day went, but just really trying to be intentional and set that boundary of I want to spend some time with God in the Word and in prayer and just really listening to what He has, it's been life-changing.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_00: So I hope that you guys have something like that.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't really put anything together for you guys to make it like a you follow me, but there's plenty of resources out there.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_00: But if you do like a little restart and a refresh, it's really amazing to see what God will do.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_00: So, in that, and while I was kind of praying about it, I kind of started wondering, you know, what are some miracle stories?
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_00: Like what happens when people pray and fast?
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_00: What are what are our expectations?
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_00: What are what are some encounters that might be out there that are are pretty wild?
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  SPEAKER_00: So I kind of wanted to take some time and and give you guys an episode where we just kind of look at, you know, miracles prior, what happens on the other side of that?
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_00: And I am gonna share at some point during this episode a personal encounter that I had.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um not with a ghost, not with Bigfoot, but in an actual atmosphere shifting moment where I was praying for a stranger.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, if you're new here, if you are coming back again, if you are just, you know, trying to figure out what it is I'm doing, welcome, welcome back.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you can connect with me on Instagram, like I said before.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_00: That's where I'm gonna be the most kind of engaging.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_00: You can also check out the website.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_00: It is sasquatchandsourdough.com.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_00: You can send an email, sasquatch and sourdough at gmail.com.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_00: There's plenty of ways to get in touch.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and we still do also have the encounter map on the website.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_00: So any Bigfoot, cryptid UFO, all of that stuff, you guys can put that in there.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe a miracle, maybe a prayer uh encounter that you had.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_00: Something really cool happened at church.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_00: I want to hear about it, so let me know.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_00: And if you have prayer requests, I want to start getting good about like asking you guys to send those in too.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_00: Because I definitely do pray for you guys with or without your consent.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so without further ado, let's jump into this night's episode.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_00: There are moments when the world feels sealed, not hostile or empty, just closed.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_00: The sky is still the sky, the road still stretches forward, the room is just a room.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_00: And yet something in us senses that this isn't the whole story.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_00: Scripture tells us that the heavens can open, but it rarely tells us how.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_00: Only that when they do, people fall silent, or fall down, or walk away changed.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_00: Prayer in the Bible is never described as safe.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_00: Jesus leaves crowds to pray alone in the dark.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_00: Daniel prays and collapses when the veil lifts.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_00: Isaiah prays and suddenly the temple is too small for what he sees.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_00: Prayer just doesn't move God.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_00: It moves the one who prays.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_00: It thins the distance between what is seen and what is unseen.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_00: Across history, people who pray deeply begin to speak differently about the world around them.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_00: They talk about rooms filling without sound, about stillness that presses back, moments that feel heavier than they should allow.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_00: They don't always use the language of visions.
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  SPEAKER_00: They don't always claim miracles.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_00: They just say things like, the glory came down, or the air changed, the atmosphere shifted, I wasn't alone anymore.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_00: In Appalachian churches, in Celtic monasteries, desert caves, and revival fields, prayer has never been just communication, but it's preparation.
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  SPEAKER_00: Preparation for encounter or disruption.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_00: Preparation for the possibility that heaven might already be nearer than we've been taught to expect.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_00: The Bible is strangely consistent on this point.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_00: Before angels appear, people pray.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_00: Before the throne is revealed, people fast.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_00: Before voices speak, hearts are undone.
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  SPEAKER_00: This isn't a spell or a lever.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_00: It's a posture, a way of standing still long enough for the unseen to step forward.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_00: Tonight, we are not chasing experiences.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_00: We are not trying to manufacture encounters.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_00: We are listening to the stories that rise up wherever people pray honestly.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_00: Stories of miracles, yes, but also stories of disorientation, of awe, of fear, and of sudden clarity.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_00: Stories where the line between heaven and earth doesn't disappear but becomes visible.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_00: From revival fields to quiet streets, from ancient scripture to modern roadsides, prayer keeps marking the same truth.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_00: The world is not closed.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes when someone dares to pray, heaven breaks through.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_00: No one said we summoned it, they said it came.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_00: This is Appalachian Christianity at its strangest and most honest.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_00: God is not distant, He is near, and prayer makes us aware of it.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_00: These were not people chasing visions, they were people praying and discovering the room was fuller than they thought.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_00: A threshold crossed.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so like I said in the opening, um, I really just wanted to do some exploring of maybe documented miracles.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_00: Just kind of I wanted to see some proof, I guess you would say, of God's movement in action, God moving in action, prayer in action, um, miracles in action, just kind of like what happens when God's people to get together, get together and he moves, and then we have witness of it.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_00: So one of the things I love to do is it's so nerdy, guys.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_00: But I love looking on like um Google Docs, not Google Docs, um, Google Scholar and searching for things like this, and I always find the best doctoral dissertations, and I know it's super nerdy, but people put so much work and effort into these things, and I just love finding them.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_00: So this excerpt is from this is a a doctoral dissertation from the University of Tennessee, Knoxville, and it's called God's Brush Arbor: Camp Meeting Culture During the Second Great Awakening, 1800 to 1860.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, Keith Duane Lyon, you are awesome.
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  SPEAKER_00: And congratulations.
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  SPEAKER_00: I hope you got your doctorate.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm gonna link this in the show notes if you guys are super nerdy enough to want to download and read this PDF.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, God bless.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's like 400 pages.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_00: But at least I'm citing my sources.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, and this is an excerpt from there.
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  SPEAKER_00: It says Cain Ridge and other early meetings in Kentucky during the first years of the second great awakening established this pattern indelibly upon the camp meeting tradition.
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  SPEAKER_00: At one of the first gatherings, John McGee observed, quote, some exhorting, some shouting, some sh praying, and some crying for mercy, while others lay as dead men on the ground.
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  SPEAKER_00: Some of the spiritual spiritually wounded fled to the woods, and their groans could be heard all through the surrounding groves, as the groans of dying men.
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  SPEAKER_00: At the Bluegrass States Cabin Creek in 1801, and at subsequent meetings, many more attempted to flee proceedings on foot as they entwined spirits of conviction and conversion took hold, only to be physically struck to the ground or drawn exhortably back to the surfaces by a force they did not regard as originating within themselves.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, and so the cool thing is they they kind of he get as this dissertation kind of goes on, like I said, it's it's 400 pages, so it's it's a lot to go through.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_00: But one port one part that I really like is he starts talking about these night encounters.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_00: So they would have these prayer meetings, um, and so it was like people, it was basically like the beginning of like tent revivals.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and people would come like in all times of day and night.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_00: And so this kind of goes on to talk about how impressive some of the nighttime encounters were.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so this is page 155.
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  SPEAKER_00: Much impressed with these when attending services, um Bremer submitted that they were called fire altars or fire hills and resembled a sort of lofty table raised on post when a flickering brilliance of flame emitted from large billets of firewood that contained considerable resin, quite probably the coastal plains abundant yellow pine, at her South Carolina meeting.
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  SPEAKER_00: Another source also describes these sources of illumination as being constructed in the form of altars and a sit and is situated in each corner of the more or less square area reserved for worship services.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_00: According to this witness, each platform supported layers of earth and sod on which burned immense fires of blazing pine wood.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_00: A detailed Kentucky painting from the era reveals these blazing tripods scattered around a forest gathering of worshippers and spectators.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_00: Though providing considerable light, they also issued a good deal of smoke, no doubt, especially when employing resinous wood such as pine, thus contributing to the mysterious atmosphere prevailing at assemblies after dark.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_00: Moreover, any camps meeting central radiance received support from constellations of campfire throughout the grounds.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_00: On every side in the wood, far away in its most remote recesses, burned larger or smaller fires before tents or in other places, and lit up the lofty fir tree stems, which seemed like columns of an immense natural temple consecrated to fire.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_00: The vast dome above was dark, and the air was so still that the flames rose straight upward and cast a wild light as of a strange dawn upon the fire treetops and the black clouds.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_00: One attented visitor characterized the camp meeting as surrounded by a triple circle of defense, which included the tents, the wagons, and then horses encircling the area dedicated to religious devotions.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_00: She commented further upon the charming visual effect of numerous fires burning brightly within.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_00: This holy zone, even as they appeared, still more numerous lights flickered from the trees that were left in the enclosure.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_00: A veteran Midwestern minister captured the allure of nocturnal services and their pre preternatural mood.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_00: At night the whole scene was awfully sublime.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_00: The ranges of tents, the fires reflecting amidst the branches of the forest trees, the candles and lamps illuminating the ground, hundreds moving to and fro with torches like Gideon's army, the sound of exhortation, singing, praying, and rejoicing, rushing from various parts of the encampment was enough to enlist the feelings of the heart and absorb all the powers of thought.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_00: I would be remiss if I didn't share with you guys a personal prayer encounter that I had.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_00: So about two years ago, I I pretty much drive on the same road every like five days.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like so as part of one of my jobs, I spent a lot of time traveling in Baltimore City, and there is a specific area that I'm in all the time, and I do see a lot of the same people kind of on the streets, um, you know, either just like panhandling, you know, just people just kind of out there like living rough.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_00: And this one particular day, probably like two years ago, um, I wasn't doing any, you know, prayer, fasting, anything like that, but I was really, it was a time when I was really, really connected with God.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and again, one of those times where I was just like, you know what, you direct my steps every day, put people in front of me that, you know, I need to minister to.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_00: I was really, really called in that season to like street ministry.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um, nothing through church, just kind of like as I was on this path like every other day driving, I would just kind of stop and you know, whoever God kind of highlighted to me, I would just kind of minister to.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_00: But I'll never forget the first time that the Holy Spirit really highlighted somebody to me, and it was a situation, and it was kind of like during COVID too, which was kind of kind of weird.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but it was just a situation where like I was driving down the street and I noticed this person who was like holding a sign up, just kind of piano handling, and as I drove by, it was crazy, it was like his eyes were so highlighted.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_00: And I've heard this before from some people like on Reddit threads and stuff like that, where they say, like, somebody's eyes were so blue, it was like unnatural.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_00: And it was the situation like that.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like this guy, his eyes were so blue, and his face was like so rugged.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_00: He had tattoos all over his face.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um I remember his hands were like super puffy, like he was totally just like dealing with addiction, um, and just like living rough.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_00: And he kind of reminded like reminded me like outside of his eyes, like he reminded me of like one of those like punk rock train kids that I would always like kind of dismiss in my youth.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but there's another story about that too that I'll have to tell you guys.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: But as I was driving by, his eyes just like really it was just like I knew, and I kind of felt the spirit just be like, you need to like talk to this guy, like you need to pray for him.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_00: And so I had to it was crazy.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_00: This situation of driving is really weird because it's like it's basically a it's a parkway, so you have to drive, and there aren't many turns like ways to turn around and like make you turn.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_00: So I like drove and then I had to wait to get to another stoplight, like a four-way busy intersection.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um, because it's a main parkway, and then I had to like turn around.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_00: So it took a bit, like it took like five minutes to get to him, and I had to park and then like cross three lanes of traffic.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like it was like I had to be dedicated to do this, but I just kept feeling it in my spirit, like, no, you have to like you need to talk to this guy, and so I like did all these like you know, turns and stuff, and then I parked and I crossed like the road and I got into like the median where he was, and I just was like, Hey, you know, my name's Christina, and I just wanted to like, you know, pray for you.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_00: What's your name?
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I can't remember exactly what I said, but it was usually that's kind of what I say to people like, hey, you know, how can I pray for you?
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_00: You know, what's your name?
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_00: I'm Christina.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_00: Cause with street ministry, I do know enough to know that it's weird because you don't want to feel like it's transactional.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um, because that just tends to be people's reality.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_00: So you want to be like kind of just as like open and just like friendly as possible.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_00: And so he said his name is Michael, and you know, he kind of gave me his backstory, and I was like, Well, all right, you know, Michael, let's just pray.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_00: And it was the craziest thing, and this is the first time this has ever happened to me, and I've had a couple other times where it's happened too, but it was just like I was just so led by the Holy Spirit.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_00: I have no idea what I prayed like at all.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_00: But I remember like when I was closing my eyes and I had my hand on a shoulder.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_00: I like as I was praying, it was like I what we weren't there.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't know how to explain it, but it was just like as soon as I closed my eyes and put my hand on his shoulder and started praying, we were totally in the spirit.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_00: We were not in, you know, this atmosphere, like this earthly realm.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_00: It was like we were we were like transformed into a different area completely, at least in my mind when I was praying.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_00: And I know that sounds crazy, but it was just like I could not like I I was closing my eyes and I knew I was praying.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_00: Like I don't know, I don't remember what I was saying, but I was aware enough of like just not to move.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_00: But then the crazy thing is, like when I came when I opened my eyes up, I was like, oh my gosh, we're here on this parkway, and in the middle of the road, like there's cars whizzing past us on either side, like it's a very narrow median strip.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_00: And the entire time that we were praying, I had no idea.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_00: Like we were just it was like I was in a different realm.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like I was not, I was totally in this in the spiritual.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_00: I was not like I was in the spirit, and it was crazy, and Michael was with me.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like, and I don't, I mean, I don't obviously I was just like, whoa, okay, that was crazy.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_00: And I, you know, said goodbye to him, and then like and I I mean I've I've talked to this guy times after that, like it wasn't just one encounter with him, that was just like crazy, and I obviously never followed up and was like, hey, did you did you happen to feel like we were in the throne room, Michael?
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_00: But it was just really wild, like, because it was the first time that I ever encountered I guess the power of the Holy Spirit when you are obedient and follow his leading.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_00: Like, it was just he really just showed me, okay, this is like we're gonna we're gonna go places where you're not even gonna realize where we're going.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um so that was pretty, that was pretty wild.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, if you guys are new to the podcast, and if you like listen back, one of the main books that I reference a ton is Where the Footprints End, um, High Strangeness and the Bigfoot Phenomenon, Volume One.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, it's like basically folklore.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and this is by Timothy Renner and Joshua Cutcheon.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_00: So, this book I absolutely love.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I reference it a lot.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_00: They did a great job just finding Bigfoot encounters and like they cross-reference other phenomena with Bigfoot.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and one of the things that they talk about, and I'm sure if you guys do enough Bigfoot research, um we come across the phenomenon of cloaking a lot.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_00: So this was really this really stood out for this episode.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_00: This is on page 222, and it says, in addition to fully disappearing, witnesses report Bigfoot cloaking, taking on a not quite invisible appearance, pixelating the surrounding environment.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_00: This is frequently compared to the visual effects used in the 1987 sci-fi action film that we all know and love, Predator.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so this encounter is from 2010, Ohio.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_00: Jan Macabee, wife of optical physicist and UFO and UFO my gosh, seriously, and ufologist, Bruce Maccabee, is bow hunting when the woods suddenly become deathly silent.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_00: Disconcerned or disconcerted, Maccabe becomes aware that a weird visual effect, quote, is moving from right to left across her vision, perhaps 15 to 20 feet away.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_00: She describes the shape as if looking through saran wrap.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_00: Maccabe rubs her eyes and still perceiving the apparition, snaps a photo in its direction.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_00: The resulting image shows a strange shimmer as well as a collection of elongated reflections from um a filmy surface, such as one might find in a photo of hair.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, so it's like a filament.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_00: According to Bruce, perhaps significantly, an entire marching band observed a UFO during rehearsal the very same evening, mere miles away.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_00: So that's kind of cool.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um and it goes on to read: one particularly chilling account was retold by investigator Sharon Cornet.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_00: Larry Kelm was hiking the ridgeline between Saddle Blanket Mountain and Oak Ridge Mountain, or Oak Ridge, Oregon, when in the middle of a step, quote, everything around me started to turn gray and blurry.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_00: The only way I can describe it was as if suddenly I was looking through someone else's prescription glasses.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_00: As Kelm pressed onwards, a blurry darkness increasingly filled his vision, turning into a jumble of shapes.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_00: Suddenly the vision parted.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_00: And he goes on to say, I then seemed to pass a barrier, and everything started to return back into focus.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_00: When my foot reached the ground on the second step, everything around me had changed.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_00: Day had turned into night, and there was no wind.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_00: All the Douglas fir and pine trees had been replaced with thick jungle-like growth.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_00: The cool, thin mountain air was replaced with humid, thick air.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_00: There were no stars in the sky, but there was a diffused light that let me see everything clearly.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_00: However, I couldn't tell what the light source was.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_00: At this point, Kelm heard a voice whisper, Gotcha.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_00: Startled, he backpedaled and ran.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_00: As I threw myself backward, I looked over my right shoulder, he said, a dark colored, hairy right hand and arm was reaching for my throat over my shoulder.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_00: The fingers had pale ivory nails shaped like spades, and both the hand and arms were covered with thick, coarse black hair.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_00: He continued to retrace his steps until the forest lightened again.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_00: I continued to move backwards in terror, and as I did, I observed that where I had just come from was a shimmering oval patch of air above the sides of a about the size of a large door.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_00: The woods began behind it looked like it was underwater.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_00: By the fifth backward step, the shimmering area seemed to just evaporate and everything was back to normal.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so this is interesting.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_00: It goes on, so there's a couple more accounts, um, but I want you guys to just buy this book because it's fantastic.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_00: And there's another volume, too, that I should probably buy.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm not gonna read the whole thing.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it says these abilities may be neither natural nor supernatural, but rather technological.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_00: Some evidence suggests Bigfoot may utilize advanced machinery to disappear.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_00: An idea inevitably connecting sightings to UFO lore.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_00: As addressed in chapter six, Bigfoot are sometimes spotted wearing glowing belts or belts with buttons.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I've never heard that, leading some researcher researchers to wonder if they are not simple clothing, but rather technology.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I don't know, you could go on to argue that it's just like supernatural or spiritual technology.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I do think that I don't know.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_00: If I really if I really needed to give an opinion, I would say that they are supernatural and rather not physical.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um because obviously you're listening to this podcast where we talk about how the word like the world the the world is much weirder than we could ever ever imagine because it's God's world.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_00: And you know what?
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_00: He's kind of weird too, and that's why I love him.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes we're just more aware of the the thresholds and the thin spaces around us.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but one thing that we have seen from this episode is that praying and opening yourself up to God's realm and God's possibility and communication with God is going to make things a little bit more real in these weird scenarios.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_00: Thin places aren't special because they're haunted, they're special because we are finally paying attention to them, and sometimes we can find ourselves in the throes of a breakthrough.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_00: Eventually the moment passes, the room returns to being just a room, the road keeps stretching forward, the sky looks like it always has, but something remains.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_00: Scripture rarely lingers on the aftermath of encounters, doesn't tell us how long the all lasted or how quickly fear faded, it just shows us what came next.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_00: Isaiah goes when he is sent.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_00: Daniel rises though trembling, the disciples walk on, even when they don't fully understand.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_00: Prayer doesn't keep us suspended in heaven, it sends us back, back into ordinary moments now charged with meaning, into conversations that feel heavier than before, and back into a world that no longer feels sealed shut.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_00: Those who pray long enough begin to recognize this pattern.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_00: The encounter doesn't always come with light or language, sometimes it comes as clarity and conviction, and sometimes an unexpected peace that doesn't ask permission.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes it's nothing at all.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_00: Because prayer is not a guarantee of experience or outcome.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's a practice of attention, a way of standing faithfully at the threshold even when nothing seems to cross.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_00: The early church warned us not to chase what is strange.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_00: They also warned us not to dismiss what is holy just because it unsettles us.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_00: The measure was never the encounter itself.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_00: The measure is the fruit.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_00: Does it lead us toward love, humility, toward Christ?
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_00: If it does, then it's done its work.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_00: As the season unfolds, we'll continue walking these edges between heaven and earth, wonder and discernment, between the stories we can explain and the ones that we can't.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_00: Not to glorify the strange, but to remain faithful in a world that may be far more open than we were taught to believe.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_00: Because prayer doesn't end when the words stop, it lingers.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_00: And once you've stood at that threshold, even briefly, you don't forget where it is.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_00: You just learn how to live with the open door.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_00: Until next time, guys, remember the truth is out there, God is with you, and everyone always ends up in the kitchen.
• 33:58
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• 34:01
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much for tuning in.
• 34:02
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• 34:05
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• 34:09
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• 34:12
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• 34:22
  SPEAKER_00: Remember, until next time, the truth is out there.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_00: God is with you, and everyone always ends up in the kitchen.