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The Late Debate | 29 October · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the wait base.
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  Speaker 2: Well, thanks for joining us. I'm James Macpherson with Caleb
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  Speaker 2: Bond and freyer Leitch. We've got a lot to talk
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  Speaker 2: about tonight, including warnings that criminal gangs now control Australia's
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  Speaker 2: nicoteen market. The question is what should the government do
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  Speaker 2: about it? And who do the children of migrants typically
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  Speaker 2: support at sporting events. The answer given by fourth generation
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  Speaker 2: Australian born Croats Croats absolutely surprised us. Plus Meghan Markele
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  Speaker 2: releases a candle that smells like well, I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: keep you in suspense on that one. We'll tell you shortly.
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  Speaker 1: If you're not that bad.
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  Speaker 2: It's not that bad, I'll tell you what it is
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  Speaker 2: pretty bad. But first, you're probably familiar with the phrase
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  Speaker 2: damned with faint praise. It means offering a compliment so
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  Speaker 2: lukewarm it could double as bathwater. It's the kind of
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  Speaker 2: endorsement that sounds like it was dragged out at gunpoint. Well,
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  Speaker 2: that's exactly what Jacinta Allen got from Bill Shawton today
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  Speaker 2: asked on a podcast what he thought of the Victorian
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  Speaker 2: labor leader. Bill Shorten responded with the passion of a
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  Speaker 2: man describing a beij wall.
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  Speaker 1: Just Cinderellen a good premier. She's doing the job here.
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  Speaker 2: She's okay, Yes, she's good. Translation. If she weren't in
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  Speaker 2: my party, I'd be saying what everyone else is. She's
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  Speaker 2: the worst Victorian premier since well the last one. But
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  Speaker 2: then came the kicker. Having faintly praised just into Ellen,
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  Speaker 2: Bill Shorten positively gushed over her deputy Ben Carroll, calling
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  Speaker 2: him a clear thinker. Has Bill Shorton just written the
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  Speaker 2: first line of Victoria's next leadership challenge? Caleb? Can we
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  Speaker 2: dare to dream?
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  Speaker 1: Oh? We can dare to dream? But it would take
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  Speaker 1: I suspect a very bad election result for that to happen.
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  Speaker 1: She'll be there at the next election. I'm pretty sure
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  Speaker 1: of that, because if you look at Jacinta Allen's rise
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  Speaker 1: to the premiership, she was annoying basically by Daniel Andrews.
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  Speaker 1: And even though she doesn't have the cachet of Daniel Andrews,
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  Speaker 1: to have the backing of Daniel Andrews does give you
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  Speaker 1: a fair bit of power, and it is the way
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  Speaker 1: these days until the right manages to wrestle power back
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  Speaker 1: within the Victorian Labor Party. That it is run by
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  Speaker 1: the socialist left because again Daniel Andrews was so good
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  Speaker 1: at centralizing power that he held guns to people's heads and
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  Speaker 1: told them, well, you got to come and join my
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  Speaker 1: faction if you want to get anywhere in the Labor Party.
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  Speaker 1: And they're still running the Labor Party in Victoria. But
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  Speaker 1: I think short and just said it all, didn't he eat?
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  Speaker 1: Like his first response is she's doing the job. Ah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I would hope so. I mean, that's what she's being
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  Speaker 1: paid for. Right, Oh, she's okay. I mean, come on,
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  Speaker 1: if you can't get Bill Shorten to say yes, the
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  Speaker 1: Labor leader is gung ho and she'll win the next election,
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  Speaker 1: you know you've got.
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  Speaker 2: Some I thought the funniest line Frayer was Bill Shorten
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  Speaker 2: said morale is down in Victoria. I would say that's
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  Speaker 2: an understatement.
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  Speaker 3: Wouldn't Girrah is down? But you know what is up?
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  Speaker 4: Carjacket theft, crime, taxes, everything other than well, actually, no,
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  Speaker 4: her vote still seems to be up.
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  Speaker 3: And that's the remarkable thing.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, the rest of the country sees Victoria for
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  Speaker 4: exactly what it is, which is basically a failed socialist
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  Speaker 4: state with no law and order.
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  Speaker 3: Anymore.
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  Speaker 4: Yet Victorians themselves it must be some sort of Stockholm syndrome.
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  Speaker 4: They haven't woken up from the lockdowns and they're just
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  Speaker 4: accepting this stuff lying down. But to be honest, I
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  Speaker 4: don't know why Bill Shorten still feels any need to
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  Speaker 4: defend you Cinter Allen whatsoever. He's now the chancellor at
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  Speaker 4: the University of Canberra. He's on over a million dollars
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  Speaker 4: a year. I don't think he plans to go back
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  Speaker 4: to politics. He should just rip into her, show some strength.
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  Speaker 4: If you cannot condemn, just into Alan, you have absolutely
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  Speaker 4: no Backbote.
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  Speaker 2: I think just into Ellen's comeback. It's pretty obvious, isn't it.
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  Speaker 2: She should just say that Bill Shorten did okay with
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  Speaker 2: the NDIS.
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  Speaker 1: I think he has condemned her. He's just done it
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  Speaker 1: in a way that doesn't mean he has to shed
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  Speaker 1: up his Labor Party member yet. Basically it is the
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  Speaker 1: answer that you know, just doesn't satisfy a lot of people,
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  Speaker 1: but also SATISFI as a lot of people. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you can imagine all his mates in the Labor right
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  Speaker 1: would have watched that Ben Carroll included, I'm sure, and
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  Speaker 1: thought that was magnificent. Well, done, mate, you nailed that.
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  Speaker 1: While we're talking about state politics and leaders who may
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  Speaker 1: or may not be up to the job. In New
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  Speaker 1: South Wales, we told you last night on the front
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  Speaker 1: of the Daily Telegraph that they had this exclusive polling
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  Speaker 1: about the Liberal Party in New South Wales and the
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  Speaker 1: fact that they are likely to lose ten seats to
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  Speaker 1: the Labor Party at the next state election. Now keep
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  Speaker 1: in mind the next state election is still about eighteen
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  Speaker 1: months away, but still the early polling is not good
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  Speaker 1: for the Liberal Party and a lot of people have said,
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  Speaker 1: who is the leader of the Liberal Party? In you
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  Speaker 1: who is the opposition leader? He's a man called Mark Speakman.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm sure if you walk down Pitt Street mall
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  Speaker 1: and stop people and ask them who is the opposition
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  Speaker 1: leader of New South Wales, most people wouldn't know that
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  Speaker 1: it was Mark Speakman, But there you go. So he's
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  Speaker 1: asked today by the Daily Telegraph in light of these
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  Speaker 1: polling numbers, you know what are we going to do
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  Speaker 1: about it? Is your leadership safe? And he says, well,
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  Speaker 1: it's not just me.
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  Speaker 5: We have to be selling our policies as aggressively as
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  Speaker 5: possible and that means that's a team approach. That means
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  Speaker 5: all of my colleagues need to be putting up ideas
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  Speaker 5: on policy.
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  Speaker 2: So it's the kyle Eages fault, not yours.
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  Speaker 5: It's a team. It's a team approach. Ultimately, everyone has
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  Speaker 5: to take responsibility.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. All I can say to that is wow, it's.
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  Speaker 2: A team approach and the team just fractioned, I know.
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  Speaker 1: And he's saying it's up to everyone to come up
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  Speaker 1: with not all on my head. Look, I'm sorry, mate,
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  Speaker 1: I get that in practice that is true, but that's
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  Speaker 1: just the stuff that you don't say in public. Because
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  Speaker 1: you are the leader, and you are the leader because
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  Speaker 1: you put your hand up to be leader, and the
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  Speaker 1: party chose you to be its leader, and you are
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  Speaker 1: entitled to keep that position for so long as you
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  Speaker 1: want it and the party allows you to have it.
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  Speaker 1: But you don't get to put your hand up to
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  Speaker 1: be the leader, which you know the first four letters
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  Speaker 1: of leader if you haven't checked lad lead, which if
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  Speaker 1: you look it up in the dictionary, means that you
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  Speaker 1: set the tone and you lead other people. You don't
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  Speaker 1: then get to turn around and say, well, actually, it's
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  Speaker 1: the rest of the mob who aren't good enough, who
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  Speaker 1: aren't giving up policies to me, et cetera, et cetera.
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  Speaker 1: If that's how you feel about the party you're leading,
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  Speaker 1: maybe it does feel that way about the party's leading.
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  Speaker 1: Potentially legitimately you've got to give up your leadership, mate.
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  Speaker 4: But I will say to speakman, have we seen any policies?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, yes, it is up to the leader. But
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  Speaker 4: what have any of the shadow ministers been doing? Can
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  Speaker 4: anyone name a single shadow minister in the New South
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  Speaker 4: Wales opposition?
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  Speaker 2: We can't name the opposition leader.
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  Speaker 1: That's the problem.
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  Speaker 3: No, But I like, I get that.
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  Speaker 4: But also he is right in the sense that one
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  Speaker 4: person can't carry the whole show. There is a conspicuous
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  Speaker 4: absence of anybody else. He is pretty absent from the media,
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  Speaker 4: that is true. But where is the rest of the team?
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely nowhere at all. And this is the thing, right,
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  Speaker 4: they're all leaking and speakman, they're all trying to backstab him.
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  Speaker 3: So someone else put their hand up, but they won't.
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  Speaker 4: They had an opportunity after the Kayama by election that
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  Speaker 4: would have been the perfect moment change leaders and then
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  Speaker 4: you've got a clear run through to the state election,
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  Speaker 4: but no one wants the job, so you either put
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  Speaker 4: your hand up and challenge him or shut up and
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  Speaker 4: get on board. It's annoying when they do this half like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: I don't like him, but I don't want to be
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  Speaker 4: the one to take over his life. No, either put
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  Speaker 4: your hand up and actually challenge him or get over it.
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  Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with what he said in the sense
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  Speaker 2: that it's true. It's a team effort. Shadow ministers have
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  Speaker 2: to come up with policies, we all need to work harder.
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  Speaker 2: All of that is true. You just don't say that
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  Speaker 2: in public when the polls are bad. You take responsibility
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  Speaker 2: and you say those things behind closed doors. You don't
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  Speaker 2: talk about where a team and then throw the team
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  Speaker 2: under the bus. And you said, he's really in the
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  Speaker 2: media and the one chance he does get in the media,
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  Speaker 2: he fluffs it.
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  Speaker 1: But that's the problem is that what he's saying may
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  Speaker 1: will be true, but by saying it publicly, you have portrayed,
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  Speaker 1: rightly or wrongly, the idea that your team is not unified.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, because it is your prerogative as the leader
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  Speaker 1: to decide the people you want in your cabin and
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  Speaker 1: I get that. Even though Malcolm Turnble says the Liberal
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  Speaker 1: Party has no factions. Yes it does, and there is
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  Speaker 1: willing and dealing about who gets to have certain positions,
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  Speaker 1: but it is your prerogative to decide who you will
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  Speaker 1: into your cabinet and into shadow ministries. And so if
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  Speaker 1: you're not happy with the people that you've got doing
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  Speaker 1: those roles at the moment, replace them, get someone else in,
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  Speaker 1: or get them in a room and say I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: you're just not pulling your weight. We've got to do
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  Speaker 1: something about this. When you allow these things to play
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  Speaker 1: out publicly, you give the perception that you are not
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  Speaker 1: a united team and you're not up to the job.
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  Speaker 1: And it's speakman's job to convince the public that they
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  Speaker 1: are up to the job. You watch that and you go, well,
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  Speaker 1: if he doesn't think they're up to it, why.
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  Speaker 3: Would we well, and they do have no policies.
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  Speaker 4: I mean there is no policy on cost of living,
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  Speaker 4: there's very little policy on housing. And the result in
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  Speaker 4: the polls are disastrous.
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  Speaker 3: Thre on track to lose ten seeds.
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  Speaker 4: And what's particularly interesting is one nation's vote is apparently
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  Speaker 4: up to fifteen percent in the polls, So people aren't
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  Speaker 4: going to labor, but they're going further to the right.
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  Speaker 3: Because they don't feel as though the Liberal.
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  Speaker 4: Party in New South Wales stands for it anything anymore.
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  Speaker 4: But something that is just so interesting is we I mean,
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  Speaker 4: we have this debate. My dad was a migrant from
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  Speaker 4: South Africa and occasionally when the rugby's on and the
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  Speaker 4: spring box are playing, he'll be going for South Africa.
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  Speaker 3: And we might be going for the Wallabies.
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  Speaker 4: But I think this is a common conversation in many
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  Speaker 4: migrant households.
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  Speaker 3: At what point do you change your allegiance and.
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  Speaker 4: Go for Australia your kids who were born here probably
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  Speaker 4: likely your grandkids most definitely.
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  Speaker 3: But a video has emerged on x of.
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  Speaker 4: A bunch of fourth generation Croatians born and raised here
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  Speaker 4: in Australia saying they would prefer to go for Croatia
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  Speaker 4: over Australia.
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  Speaker 3: Australia played Croatia.
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  Speaker 4: Next use World Cup, who would you support?
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  Speaker 1: And why it's my own.
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  Speaker 6: Country Croatia because they're better than Ashtansia.
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  Speaker 3: Croatia, because I just want them to win.
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  Speaker 6: Croatia, Croatia, that's my country, Crasia born Australia, but like Creasia,
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  Speaker 6: so always Croatia because the my grandparents Croatia.
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  Speaker 1: Croatia they're better because that's my country.
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  Speaker 3: Crosa that country.
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  Speaker 4: Now, something about that feels really weird to me because
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  Speaker 4: you've got Australian kids saying that's my country about Croatia,
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  Speaker 4: which I mean, that's not your country. Yes, you might
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  Speaker 4: be ethnically from there, but this is the country that
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  Speaker 4: has given your family everything. There's a reason you moved here.
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  Speaker 4: You're born and raised and you've enjoyed all the opportunities
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  Speaker 4: of living in Australia.
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  Speaker 3: Something about that really rubs me the wrong way.
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  Speaker 2: Australia's given Croatians a lot free, but Australia has not
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  Speaker 2: given Croatians a better football team than Croatia. And I
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  Speaker 2: think that's the issue. They're talking about sport, they're not
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  Speaker 2: talking about, you know, home and if we're at war.
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  Speaker 1: Who were they maybe, But when they're saying that's country,
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  Speaker 1: they are saying they identify as Croatian. That's my home,
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  Speaker 1: that's my home. Well, you were born in Australia, right,
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  Speaker 1: I was born in Australia, and you trace most of
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  Speaker 1: my family back. As far as I know, we're all
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  Speaker 1: born in Australia. I'm not sure at what point certain
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  Speaker 1: parts of my family migrated here, and I know on
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  Speaker 1: the paternal side it was my great grandparents who came out,
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  Speaker 1: but beyond that, I'm really not sure. So I just
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  Speaker 1: identify as Australian. I do have a connection, I suppose
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  Speaker 1: to someone who obviously my family came out from the motherland,
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  Speaker 1: England at some point. I feel some level of connection
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  Speaker 1: to that, and I feel a connection to the Royal family.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, when the ashes are going on in
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  Speaker 1: a couple of months, starts next month, all share as
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  Speaker 1: he'll be going for the Aussies, and my mate Richard
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  Speaker 1: shout out if you're watching. I think he's in India
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  Speaker 1: at the moment actually, so he's probably not watching. But
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  Speaker 1: when we're and he's a Pom and we'll be at
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  Speaker 1: Adelaide Oval next not next month, December, and we'll both
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  Speaker 1: be going for the Ausies. And I've asked him this question.
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  Speaker 1: I've said, there's a problem. And he's a Yorkshireman and
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  Speaker 1: he came out here thirty odd years ago, twenty thirty
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  Speaker 1: years ago. He's got a Yorkshire accent. And I said
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  Speaker 1: to him, why don't you go for the Poms? He said,
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  Speaker 1: because I chose to come to this country and I
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  Speaker 1: love Australia, and therefore I go for Australia. And I
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  Speaker 1: think it's an interesting phenomenon, particularly when you see it
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  Speaker 1: is the ancestors or the children of people who've migrated here,
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  Speaker 1: third fourth generation, who end up identifying even more closely
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  Speaker 1: with the country they've probably never been to than therefore Bears.
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  Speaker 1: You said in that the Palestinian cause, right, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of the kids who are getting around supporting that.
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  Speaker 1: Oh you know, my great grandparents came from the Middle East,
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  Speaker 1: not them. So it seems to be this innate thing
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  Speaker 1: in people where at some point they realize that they
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  Speaker 1: do have a connection to a country that they may
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  Speaker 1: not have ever visited because that's where their ancestors came from.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what we're seeing.
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  Speaker 2: I had to laugh. I was talking to my sons
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  Speaker 2: about this topic this afternoon. My boys are adopted from Ethiopia.
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  Speaker 2: They're now twenty years old, twins, and I said, June
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  Speaker 2: the Olympic Games, who do you guys support Australia or Ethiopia.
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  Speaker 2: I already knew the answer, and they said Ethiopia. And
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  Speaker 2: then one of them said, wait, during the swimming, we
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  Speaker 2: support Australia. I was very pragmatic.
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  Speaker 1: They support Ido exactly.
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  Speaker 2: But let me ask you this, right, if you were
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  Speaker 2: living in the UK and the Ashes was on, would
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  Speaker 2: you go to Lords and cheer for the Poms because
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  Speaker 2: you're living in the UK. Or would your allegiance forever,
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  Speaker 2: no matter how long you lived in the UK, be
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  Speaker 2: for Australia. I reckon you'd support the Olds.
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  Speaker 1: I guess it depends on whether I've made that decision
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  Speaker 1: to move to the UK myself. I mean, I mean
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  Speaker 1: I live in Sydney now. I still support all the
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  Speaker 1: South Australian sporting teams and I always will because.
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  Speaker 2: There you go.
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  Speaker 4: That's also case because these are people whose grandparents probably
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  Speaker 4: came to the country, so they've been here now for generation.
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  Speaker 2: With sport, you're so influenced by your parents, right. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: my boys support North Melbourne. They hate it, but they
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  Speaker 2: have to because that's the family tradition. Right. So I
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  Speaker 2: think this question is skewed by the focus on sport.
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  Speaker 4: I agree, but I do think there is something deeper here,
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  Speaker 4: and I see it a lot with young people because
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  Speaker 4: they go through our education system and you're basically told
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  Speaker 4: there is nothing to be proud of about Australia. Our
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  Speaker 4: history is shameful. We're built on stolen land. We have
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  Speaker 4: no culture other than going to the pub and getting drunk.
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  Speaker 3: That's Australia. That is what people are taught.
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  Speaker 4: So when you have that as one option for your
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  Speaker 4: national identity or the other option is your ancestral homeland
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  Speaker 4: where your relatives have been for hundreds of years, I
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  Speaker 4: can understand why they feel conflicted and like, well, why
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  Speaker 4: would I feel loyal to Australia when I've been told
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  Speaker 4: that this is a horrible country. And I think that's
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  Speaker 4: sad because ultimately, over time that will undermine our social cohesion.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we can imagine how confused my boys will be
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  Speaker 2: during the Olympic Athletics when gout count is right. I
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  Speaker 2: know they won't don't know who they're cheering for. Let's
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  Speaker 2: go to the UK. Speaking of migrants, there's a massive
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  Speaker 2: migrant problem in the UK. That's not news to anybody.
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  Speaker 2: Currently there's thirty two thousand asylum seekers housed in British
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  Speaker 2: hotels at a cost that's blown out to about fifteen
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  Speaker 2: billion pounds for UK taxpayers. Well, Kis Starmer has just
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  Speaker 2: come out with a brilliant idea He said that within
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  Speaker 2: twelve months they want all asylum seekers out of hotels
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  Speaker 2: and into military bases. Now this proposal has been made before,
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  Speaker 2: Kiirs Starmer has reheated it and put it out there,
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  Speaker 2: I think as a way of trying to deflect attention
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  Speaker 2: from Nigel Farag. The problem, of course, Freyre is that
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  Speaker 2: people don't want these migrants rehoused from hotels to military bases.
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  Speaker 2: People want them removed. Why simply put them in a
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  Speaker 2: different location, Why not just deport them?
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  Speaker 4: It really reminds me of when during the election campaign
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  Speaker 4: Kis Starmer said he would stop the boats. He borrowed
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  Speaker 4: line from John Howard. I think we will decide who
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  Speaker 4: comes to this country and the terms on which they come,
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: and literally re ran to stop the boat's campaign.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: Except the boats haven't stopped.
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: They've now got thirty two thousand people in these migrant hotels.
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: And it's costing the taxpayer one.
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: Hundred and forty five pounds per night per person to
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: put them up in hotels. Now it will be cheaper
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: to put them in military accommodation.
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: Keep in mind, Labor laughed.
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: At this proposal when it was put forward by the Tories.
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: Now they're going, hmm, maybe it's not such a bad idea.
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: But the problem is they're still in the country. You're
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: still in the European Human Rights Convention, which gives them
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: a lot of rights, endless appeals processes, means they can
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: stay in the country for years indefinitely. And so unless
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: you change those structural elements and actually enforce the border,
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: stop the boats, this.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: Won't do anything to solve the problem.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Yeh, and actually said they would pull out of that,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: and rightly so I think, I mean, anyone who is
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: serious about fixing this problem has to pull out of
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: that Human Rights Convention, which plus the EU as well,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: and just say look, it's all over. We're not doing
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: any of this. It does not work. You can say, okay,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: we won't put you in a hotel, will put you
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: in a military base. And sure it might be attractive
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: for some people that they're going to be put up
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: in a nice hotel. I'm sure it's lovely when they
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: get their buffet breakfast every morning, etc. But if you
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: get a shot at living in the UK, if you've
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: got to live on a military base, you'll live on
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: a military base. Who cares like if the option is
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: you know whatever Timpot Diskpot joint that I've come from
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: in Africa and made my way to France and across
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: the Channel. I don't care if I have to live
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: on a military base for a while to get a
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: shot at living in the UK, because it's a damn
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: site better than where I've come from. It's not a
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: disincentive to going to the United Kingdom. The only real
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: disincentive if you want to put them somewhere else is
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: to have them somewhere other than the United Kingdom, as
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: of course we did with offshore detention, and they were
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: trying to do previously under the Sunak government by sending
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: them to Rhodesia, but then that all fell apart the
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Rwanda we go and going back in time, there different
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: wrong ah, But if you don't house them somewhere other
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: than the UK, they will keep coming no matter where
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: you put them, because they're in the UK.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: The other irony here, of course, is you know the
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: threat from Russia and the need to upgrade the military.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: At the very time they're talking about we've got to
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: boost our defense, We've got to boost our military. They're
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: filling military bases with not soldiers, not troops, but asylum seekers.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it's absolutely absurd. And again you don't know
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: who's coming. You don't know what sort of criminal background
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: they have, and the idea that you've just got this
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: open flow thousands of young men of military age coming
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: into your country, no idea who they are. I mean,
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: I can see why people are out there protesting at
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: these migrant hotels.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Indeed, while we're in the United Kingdom, Megan markele well,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: she used to be in the United Kingdom. She's back
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: in the US of course these days. But she's released
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: a candle. I'm sure you will be glad to hear it.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: It's going for forty eight quid or that's ninety six
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Australian dollars if you can bear to punt up your
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: money for it. But it is apparent. It's called number
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: eighty four, which is a nod to her birth date, apparently,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: and it is a signature scent that warms her family home,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: and it's described as an elegant mix of sandalwood, water,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: lotus and California poppy. Look, if you're the sort of
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: person who wants to punt up one hundred dollars to
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: get your hand on one of these candles. You know,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: it's a bit like they say with cocaine. It's God's
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: way of telling you you've got two much money. I
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: suppose at least it's not like Gweneth Poultrow, who, of course,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: sir put to her candle out under her brand Goop,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: which allegedly smells like her near the region. So thank
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: you to Megan Markle for saving us from that. But look,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: if you want your place to smell like they're joined
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: in Montecito, he is your opportunity.
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: I just love the way this candle was described on
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: Megan Markle's website. They said, hand poured into our elegant
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: ceramic vessel Number eighty four fillsia with fragrance, sweetwood, delicate florals,
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: and California wildflowers for an elevated coziness that feels like
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: a hud. Each candle in this series reflects a memory
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: or mood connected to Meghan's own rituals and joyful memories.
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: I'm not exactly sure what that last sentence means. And
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: when they say hand poured, do they mean hand poured
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: in a sweatshop in China? Because who's hand pouring these candles.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: It's not Meghan markle well Well.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: In series with Meghan so from Meghan with Love and
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: I've watched a little bit of it because you know,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: I do these things so you don't have to. She
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: gets a mate of hers around and teaches him how
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: to make candles, so you know she's at least selling
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: the idea that it is made by her, because she's
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: demonstrated on the televisual service that she's doing.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: That entire series claims to be in her kitchen, filmed
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: in a rental down the road. So maybe this actually
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: just smells like.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: The trying to get my head around a candle that
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: feels like a hug. If the candle you're burning starts
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: to feel like a hug, you should probably roll on
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: the ground. It smells to me more like desperation with
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: a whiff of hypocrisy.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: Oh, well done, and the constant just trying to monetize
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: every single aspect of herself, including her birthday.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: Now it is getting a bit old.
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: But something else people are monetizing is our extremely high
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: tobacco excise and lacks. Lauren Enforcement, the head of British
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: American Tobacco, has come out in a rare intervention, slamming
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: Australia saying our illegal tobacco.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: Market is the worst in the world.
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: He said he thinks sixty five percent of all cigarettes
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: and eighty percent of nicotine are illegal, and this is
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: what he said. I was pretty shocked. It's the worst
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: I've seen. I've not seen or heard of firebombings, retribution,
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: or gang warfare on this level before in any market.
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: The UK, for example, has a long standing illicit problem,
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: maybe a third of the market, but it's not creating
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: the level of social upheaval we're seeing in Australia. I mean,
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: that's a pretty extraordinary intervention. It's not anything we don't
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: already know, but it is true. We are seeing almost
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: weekly fire bombings. One crime bust, the exiled Iraqi criminal
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: Kazem Hammad, has reportedly made around one point two billion
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: dollars dollars in just two years from the illicit tobacco trade.
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: Just extraordinary levels of illegality.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: Going on seemingly without any punishment.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: And still no one's doing anything about it. And this
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: is what I don't get is, you know, for years
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: I've been talking about the Excise argument that I think
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: the Excise is too high. I mean, I think that's
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: just unfair to begin with, but clearly it has contributed
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: to this market. But a lot of people say, because
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: you know, the smoking rate in Australia is between eighteen percent,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: so a lot of people say, well, to hell with them.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: I don't care whether you charge one hundred backs for
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: a Packet's not my bloody problem.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: I don't smoke, except spoke coming out problems because coming
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: out crime factor.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: And surely at this point, even if you don't care
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: about the excise you start to go. If you've got
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: shops regularly being fire bond it is causing major crime issues.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: There are at least five people who've been killed in
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: relation to the tobacco wars in this country so far.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: If you live in an apartment building that has a
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: tobacconist down below, insurers are reticent to ensure you or
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: charge you higher premiums because of the risk of the
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: building going up. If you're another small business who is
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: in the same block as a tobacconist, now they're being
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: charged as much as fifty percent extra on their insurance
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: premium because of the risk of a tobacconist being fire bombed.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: This is at the point now where like any other
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: discussion we would have had about you big drug problems
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: on the street or whatever, this is a major crime problem,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: not just about the cigarettes. It's about what's going on
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: everywhere else. And apart from that, it's just a blight
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: on all of our high streets. So the fact that
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: both federal and state governments have really done very little
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: about this, and are still doing very little about it,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: to be perfectly honest, is staggering.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Well, the head of British American Tobacco said that the
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: problem is pretty simple. It's an economic problem. And buy
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: a pack of cigarettes for fifteen dollars instead of forty dollars, Well,
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: most people are going to go for the fifteen dollar pack,
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: and that's why eighty percent of the nicotine trade in
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Australia now is illicit. And what started with good intentions,
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: as you said, the intent was to dissuade people from
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: smoking and the cost that that has on the health system.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: But now the unintended consequences are far worse, and surely
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: the government have to make a decision.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Stuff like the vape.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: They can't keep going this way like the.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Vapes, like they ban them and you can go and
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: get a prescription vape. There's like a thousand people in
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: the country who do that. The rest of it is
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: the illegal mark.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Talk to any teenager about where they can get vapes
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: and they will tell you immediately where they can find them.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: I won't tell you how I know that, but I
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: know that for a fact. He's asking for a freedom,
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: well for friends of friends. Yeah, Chris means typically is
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: doing a pretty good job I think running New South
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Wales on the whole. But one of his most controversial
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: decisions is trying to divide the more Park golf course,
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: which is a beautiful eighteen whole course. He wants to
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: turn it into a nine hole course and convert the
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: rest into parkland for those who don't play golf. Now
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: he pretty much seems to have made up his mind,
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: and this statement today caught our attention. Chris Minn said
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: state governments are criticized for not making decisions, having endless negotiations.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: We've got to press ahead. I'm not sticking my finger
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: up at those people who want the government to change
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: its position, but we've considered alternative plans and we think
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: this is the right one for the city. Now that's wonderful,
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: just a slight problem. The government is currently asking the
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: public for feedback on the plans, and feedback is open
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: until November twenty four, which begs the question is it
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: really worth submitting your feedback when the Premier himself is
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: saying we've already made up our minds the feedback of
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: they're looking for Freyer, I.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: Think perhaps only feedback that agrees with them.
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: Who would have thought there's been an alternative proposal for
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: the golf course put forward by a bunch of golf
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: groups Golf Australia, PGA of Australia, Golf New South Wales,
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: et cetera.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: And they think they can basically meet.
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: All of the New South Wales government's requirements for housing
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: and everything while still keeping a championship golf course and.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: Making everybody happy. But the chrismins has gone up.
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: We've already decided, even though technically consultation is still open.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: But I think this is.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: The problem now. I am pro housing. I am a yimbi.
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: I think we need to build more housing, for sure,
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: but you can't build those communities, and you can't destroy
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: the local character of an area and turn us into
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: some global metropolis where we're living in soulless Soviet style
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: apartment buildings because you just want to build everywhere with
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: no concern for the community. And so we've got to
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: strike the balance between yes, build, yes taking action, yes
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: doing something, but also actually talk to the community. Don't
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: destroy neighborhoods, destroy perfectly good golf courses just to slap
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: up a few exports.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: It seems to me he is going to talk to
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: the community and then he's going to do what he
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: decided to do.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Scisely, precisely, and he's just exposed the great window dressing
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: that public consultation, right, And you know, we all kind
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: of knew that this is how public consultation worked, right,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: But it's not often that you see someone you say, yeah,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: I really don't give a toss what the public think.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Here's the public consultation link. Look it up. It's available
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: in Tim November twenty four. But I've already made my
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: mind up, which kind of makes me think, why don't
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: we just get rid of the preteints of public consultation.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, we know they're not going to listen to it,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: so just get on with the job. I don't want
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: him to cut up more Park golf course. But if
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: you've already decided that's what you're going to do, why
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: do we go through this weird dance of saying we're
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: we'll ask the public what they think and then we'll
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: come back and write a report. We get a public
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: servant to write a report about what you said in
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: the public consultation, and then we'll tell you all the
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: ways in which you've got it wrong, and then we'll
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: do what we were always going to do in the
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: first place. If that doesn't mean anything, they just get
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: rid of it.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you're a really good politician, you get
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: the public to come up with your idea so that
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: you can then do it. That's the art of engaging
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: with stakeholders, right. So anyway, if you want to submit
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: your contribution to the New South Wales State government, you've
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: got until November twenty four to completely waste your time.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Indeed, good luck with that. Speaking of wasting your time,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: that's what some people in the coalition I think Susan
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Lee has been doing of late. Now you would be
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: aware of the Joy Division t shirt that, of course,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Anthony Albanezi walked down the plane wearing the other day
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: after he'd been over to visit Donald Trump in the
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: United States, and this has cues are caused furor again
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: as I'm sure you are wear because of the connection
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: to Joy Division, which was a band. He's wearing a
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: band T shirt but the band was named for wings
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: of Nazi concentration camps where they kept women in sexual slavery,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: known as Joy Divisions, and so Susan Lee over the
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: last few days has been running with this and saying
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: that the Prime Minister needs to apologize he she is.
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: I don't take a back with step on my comments
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: and I don't know that people realize that the Prime Minister,
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: in wearing the T shirt was well aware of the
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: dark history behind the words on the.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: T shirt, but not everyone in the coalition thinks this
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: is a winner. On Sunrise this morning, they spoke to
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Clara O'Neil, of course from the government and you know
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: what she's going to say. I'll show you in a
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: sec but pay attention to Bridget McKenzie from the Nationals
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: who speaks after her.
• 31:53
  Speaker 7: I really think this one takes the cake. I'm just
• 31:56
  Speaker 7: so staggered. I actually think this kind of ridiculous tree
• 32:00
  Speaker 7: trivializes and politicizes the serious anti senitism that communities around
• 32:05
  Speaker 7: our country are facing. And I just want the Coalition
• 32:07
  Speaker 7: to get with the program here.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: I just on the T shirt issue.
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: Look, there's a lot to legitimate, legitimately criticize the Prime
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: Minister about wearing a T shirt.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: Is it one of them?
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Just another hard day for Susan Lee, it would seem.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know if there's anything on which members of
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: the Coalition are united at the moment, this is just
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: another one of them. Is it a winner? Though? I mean,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: who's right? Is Susan Lee on the right track by
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: pursuing this, or is Bridget Mackenzie making the point. Look,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: we've got other things that we could be nailing him
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: him on that would probably have more impact than this.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: I think it's poor judgment on both their parts. It
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: was poor judgment by the Prime Minister to wear that
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: T shirt, especially when, as Sherry Markson has pointed out,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: he knew the history of that shirt. Maybe he forgot
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: I don't know, poor judgment to wear it, But I
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: also think it's poor judgment again from Susan Lee, to
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: think of everything they could have a go at the
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: government on right now. And I'm not saying that he
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: was right to wear this T shirt or he should
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: get away with it, But is that really where Susan
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Lee wants to invest her leadership right now, especially when
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: things are so tenuous. I wouldn't suggest that is the
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: hell you want to die on at this moment.
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: Well, look, I'm not so sure because I just think
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: how I mean. Firstly, the prime minister we know, travels
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: with about sixty staff.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: He has a hole entourage.
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: He has people that are looking at every single sign
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: he might walk under to see if there are any
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: awkward photo ops. He has people who do his wardrobe,
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: his makeup, everything. How did he not have somebody on
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: his team who could go hang on at least put
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: on a college shirt.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: Why are you stepping out in a T shirt? Full stop?
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: You're the prime minister.
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: Have some decorum, treat the office with some respect. So
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: that's the first thing. Clearly it's a failure from his team.
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: But yes, the problem is as an opposition leader, you
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: only have limited time in the media cycle.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: You only have soundbites. If we're all obsessing about.
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: A rock band from the nineties that a lot of
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: people probably like I mean, this is not a winning
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: issue for the coalition. Having said that, though I think
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: he should he should apologize, But how much of the
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: media cycle do you want this to dominate if you're
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: Susan not a whole lot.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: He's not going to apologize for Kevin Rudd. He's not
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: going to apologize for that. But here's the thing with
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Susan Lee. Right, so you've decided I'm pin the Prime
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: minister on this issue, right, she talked about it in Parliament,
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: she's made a big deal of it, and then in
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: front of the media cameras she makes a brief statement
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: and then puts up her hand and says, I'm not
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: going to say any more than that, if the argument
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: is legitimate, stand there and make the argument, take the
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: question from the journalist, push back, win the argument, don't
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: run away from it. And I think that is one
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: of the problems that Susan Lee now has, whether it's
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: true or not, there is a perception that she's weak,
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: that she lacks conviction, and she's a little bit all
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: over the place. And I think she's just demonstrated that.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: The game and that the coalition is radderless. And that's
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: how you end up with people freelancing all the time,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: and that's what you're seeing. The leaders is one thing,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: and others are out freelancing saying other things. And you know,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: in politics, perception is reality, and it starts to create
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: that perception that things just aren't well.
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: But the other funny thing about this whole story is
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: Susan Lee owns the fact that she was a punkin.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Rock back in the day.
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: So are we going to troll through every band she
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: liked in the nineties that may have had dubious songs,
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: of which I'm sure there are many. No, this is
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: not the path we want to go down.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Unless she wears a T shirt tomorrow, then it might
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: be legitimate.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: And I don't want them. Any of them were in teacher.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Remember what happened when I called out David Pocock for
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: wearing a T shirt in Parliament House. You shouldn't be
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: wearing T shirts. The Prime Minister, for Christ's sake, put
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: on a shirt and a tie and a suit. Live
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: up to the off us.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: All right, We're going to go to a break. When
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: we come back, we'll look at what's making news tomorrow,
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: including householders told not to expect a rate cut for
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: a couple of years after inflation rises again and a
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: top physician says Saint Vincent Hospital's policy of treating Indigenous
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: patients first is counter to the medical code of conduct.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: That and more in just a moment. Well, welcome back
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: to the program. Let's take a look at what's making
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: headlines in tomorrow's papers, and Freyer, The controversy over Saint
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Vincent's hospital policy continues tomorrow in the papers.
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. The headline is eer policy bad conduct. An
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: ex president of the Royal Australasian College of Physicians has
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: slammed the Saint Vincent's hospital policy of fast tracking Indigenous patients.
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: Professor John Wilson said the move contradicted medical code of conduct. Now,
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: finally a medical professional who's actually speaking some common sense
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: in this country.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: What a breadth of fresh air.
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: But you'll, of course remember this policy that Saint Vincent's
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: put out saying if an Indigenous person shows up they
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: need to be treated within thirty minutes, they get bumped.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: Up in the queue.
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: And he's totally right, that is contrary to basic common sense.
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: But medical stentards you should be treated based on need,
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: not race.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: I'm just shocked that we needed an ex president of
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: the Royal Australian College of Physicians or Australasian College rather
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: to point this out. It should be obvious to everybody,
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: certainly everybody who works at Saint Vincent's and even to
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: people who aren't in the medical profession. It's pretty clear
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: you treat the most serious injuries. First. I'm shocked that
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: we need this guy. Good one him for speaking out.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: I'm shocked that we need him too, and even more
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: so than it makes the front page.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: What do you mean, charge of the hospital?
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Sky is blue boy?
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: I know it is extraorine. Some days I wake up
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: and I go, am I living in a simulation at
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: the moment or something. But this is what happens when
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: you become so obsessed with race that you failed to
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: see that your obsession with race is in and of
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: itself racist. And this is where we end up. Let's
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: go to the front of the Australian tomorrow. Only way
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: is up for URBA inflation surge takes rate cuts off table.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: A household sorry, should not expect any interest rate cuts
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: for years and prepare for higher rates. In twenty twenty seven.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Leading economists have warned after Jim Charmers and the Reserve
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Bank were blind started by a surgeon inflation driven by
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: rising electricity prices. Inflation recorded its highest quarterly rise in
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: more than two and a half years, hitting an annual
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: rate of three point two percent, with electricity prices up
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: twenty three point six percent, placing further political pressure to
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: extend the Albanezy government six point eight billion dollar federal
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: rebates that Choos were played down the higher inflation reading,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: comparing it to the rate of inflation during the COVID pandemic. Well,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you've noticed, mister Chalmers. We're no
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: longer in the COVID pandemic. Mate, that was a little
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: while ago. And as for the idea that the government
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: needs to maintain the rebates, the rebates do not fix inflation.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: All they do is cover up just how expensive energy
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: actually is, because the government is just handing the money
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: directly to the energy retailer, and the energy retailer then
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: deducts that from the bill that they send you. So yes,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: in effect, you are paying lower bills, which helps you
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: to reduce the inflation rate because you are spending less.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: But it doesn't actually fix the main problem. Which is
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: the cost of energy. And until you address that, this
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: ain't going to be fixed.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm really disappointed to hear that, because I'm sitting
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: here thinking they can fix inflation, just rebates for everything.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: Inflation is fixed.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: Why do they do.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: This so stupid?
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: The article alsays that members of Albani's's Welfare Working Group
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: want them to end the subsidies in December as scheduled
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: and use that money to build more renewables. I hate
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: to break it to them, but more renewables in the
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: grid equals higher power prices. They've got to get this
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: through their head. Renewables are not free the sun. Yes,
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: it does shine, but to actually capture that story, transport it,
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: make it usable.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: That's all very very expensive.
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: And we know we are in for more pain as
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: labor continues down net zero, But how much more can
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: Australian families actually take.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: This might be a bigger issue than the PM's T shirt,
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: I would suggest, indeed.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: And you know I had heard that doctor Jim Chalmers
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: had been quite fond of playing status quos down down
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: in his office, but he may not be doing that anymore. No,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: I haven't actually heard that, but it does sound like
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: something he would have been doing and to which he
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: is no longer entitled. Another headline on the front of
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: The Australian Tomorrow, Jim Soup tap darts speaking of Jim
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Charmers to net billionaires, Jim Charmers is exhilarating government plans
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: to unlock billions of dollars from Australia's four point three
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: trillion dollar superannuation system to underwrite Labour's policy priorities through
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: an overhaul of rules that will remove quote unnecessary obstacles
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: to investment.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: Hmmm.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: Addressing an Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry dinner on Wednesday,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: after inflation rose above market expectations to an annual three
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: point two percent, the Treasurer said new investment was needed
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: to boost productivity in growth amid rising geopolitical tensions and
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: complex transactions in energy and technology. Now. The only problem is, though,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: if he wants to talk about inflation, if you're saying
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: we're actually going to get more money being spent, that
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: doesn't do much for inflation. I'm sorry to tell you,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: mister Charmers, but more or less, you know when Paul
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Keating set up compulsory superannuation it was a great gift
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: to the unions because the union set up the industry
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: super funds, and there is now all this money, huge money,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: swimming around in these super funds, and so the Labor
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Party says, well, why don't we get a slice of
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: that pie. I'm sorry that money is there for the
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: benefit of my retirement and I expect my superannuation fund
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: to be investing it in a way that returns me
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: the most money, not a way that benefits you. Thank
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: you very much.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: Just a little thought on this. Remember we were told
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: that we can't possibly ditch net zero because if we do,
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: no one will want to invest in Australia. And yet
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: the government are positioning super to invest in the United States,
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: where they have ditched net zero. I don't understand how
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: that works.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: It is really bizarre.
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: But I feel like at this point the whole superannuation
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: industry is just full of contradictions. Even the percentage of
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: funds that are invested overseas, it's now almost at fifty percent.
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: So we are earning this money here in Australia, then
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: we're investing it in overseas business and economies. Yes, you
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: might generate returns, but it's not helping Australia. It's not
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: helping our economy or our businesses. So I do see
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: what Charmers is saying here we should have more of
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: that money being invested in Australia. But that's probably just
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: a sign of how bad our economy is that you
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: can't get the returns here. So why would you invest
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: the money?
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: Do you want your super to help the country or
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: to help you in your retirement both?
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: I mean, I actually think we should be putting Australia first.
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: And I think when you have billions, probably trillions at
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: this point of dollars going overseas to fund other people's
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: economic development, where you want.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: Your money going highest return, right.
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: Highest return.
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: But I think you could do that in Australia as
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: well if we had a better government and better economic.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Put it in the renewable energy superworld that Albow wants.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: That's what they want you to do.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Well, speaking of a higher return, the Sultan of Brunei
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: is about to cash in on a block of land
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: he's held for thirty years on the Gold Coast. The
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: Goal Coast Bulletin is reporting the Sultan site hits market
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: after decades. Finally for sale. The Sultan is selling his
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: giant Surface Paradise property after nearly thirty years and never
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: turning the sod on a tower. The Sultan bought the
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: vacant site in nineteen ninety seven, bought it for fifteen
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: million dollars and is ignored all calls to develop it,
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: including several letters from the Gold Coast mayor. But it's
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: now been announced that it's on the market, described as
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: a generational opportunity. As I said, he bought it for
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: fifteen million in nineteen ninety seven. In twenty nineteen it
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: was reportedly worth thirty million, so who knows what it's
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: worth now, But good it's being sold because it's sat
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: there as a bit of an I saw in Surface Paradise,
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: right in the heart.
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: So ugly, but what a big payday for him. That's
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: very exciting. In the advertiser tomorrow. Not so happy now
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: there are everyday South Australians among fifty five arrested police
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: in early morning raids linked to the encrypted messaging app
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: and nom. Police rated twenty three homes and seize twenty
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: five point eight million dollars in assets after the High
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: Court struck down a challenge.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: Over the use of the app in prosecutions.
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: Now and nom is it is the app that the
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: police developed themselves, the encrypted messaging app. So all these
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: criminals went on there thinking they were doing encrypted messaging.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: But no, no, no, Buster buttercups.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: There you go to go to a break. When we
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: come back, UNI students court using chat GPT on their
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: exams write an apology using chat GPT. That's coming up
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: after the break. Well, everyone's well aware there's a crime
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: crisis in Victoria, but what to do about it? The
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Cold Supermarket at Paran claims to be one of the
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: most targeted stores by shoplifters, and they've come up with
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: a novel idea. They've received permission from the council to
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: blast Beethoven and Pavarotti through loud speakers, presumably to deter
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: young people from hanging around and committing crimes. Now, this
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: has got precedent. Back in twenty nineteen, Transport London said
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: that the robbery's declined by thirty three percent and vandalism
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: by thirty seven percent after they started playing classical music
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: at Tube stations. So we'll see if this works. Even
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: if the shoplifting doesn't go down. People were pirouetting in
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: with their shopping trolleys down the aisles as the classical
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: music plays.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: I think Caleb's booking is flight. So the Coals per
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: had I.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Know, I'm wondering why I ever left Melbourne. I was
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: in South and so prem wasn't that far away. I mean,
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: this sounds fabulous. I want them to roll it out
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: at every Coals and every Woolies and every Ald and
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: every Harris Farm everywhere, because I think that's making you know,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: you go to the shopping and you can listen to
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: some classical music as you go. I reckon that sounds fantastic.
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: There are a lot of neural benefits to listening to
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: classical music. It would probably help soothe everyone lower the
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: blood pressure while they're stressfully shopping.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: So I back this move.
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: But over at the University of Illinois in the US,
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: students were called cheating using chat GPT and then they
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: wrote an apology email using chat GPT, and so they've
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: been busted twice for using AI and the professor's noticed
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: this because there was the same phrase that appeared in
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: every single one of the student email.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: Saying, sincerely apologize.
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: You don't all sign off on emails using the exact
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: same phrase and sign off. And so guys, jen Zen,
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: just just stop, just learn to use your brain.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: What if you were the one student who sincerely apologized
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: by saying, I sincerely apologize.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: You're stuffed. This is the problem I've had, right because
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: I have, forever a day used M dashes in my copy.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: You know, it was something I learned in news writing.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Was that was the power and the use of an
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: she's a copy, it's it's the you know, data sentence
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: dashed goes on right, so you can sort of separate
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: clauses in a sentence with an M dash rather than
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: a comic. There's too many commas that have becomes claiming
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: gives a bit of impact. But AI now uses that
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: in everything it writes, and so people assume if you
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: use an M dash that it's written by AI. But
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: that's how I've always done it, anyway, that you.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Can tell stuff written by AI, because usually it's one
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: word and a comma yes, and you know it's computer
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: at that.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: And some sad news overnight that Prunella Scales. Of course,
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: Sybil Faulty from Faulty Towers has died at the age
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: of ninety three. He's a little snippet.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: Just checking the doors.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: All right, what's going on?
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: I was in the bathroom.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: Because she was doing so I just popped and have
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: a look at these hinges. Do you really imagine, even
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: in your world dreams, that a god like this.
• 48:58
  Speaker 6: Could possibly be interested in an aging, brilliantine stick in
• 49:02
  Speaker 6: sect light.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: You award was faulty towered. She was watching the show
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: the day before she died. Of course, John Clice is
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: still alive. I'm not sure i'd let Basil faulty round
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: the hotel.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: Indeed, all right, that's it from us. Stick Around coming
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: up in just a moment. It is the Reader Penney Show.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: Good Night,