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Dan Carroll in for Brian Thomas this morning · Brian Thomas

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Speaker 1: The talk station.
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Speaker 2: Fifty five KRCD Talk Stations five oh five. Wednesday morning,
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Speaker 2: June the seventeenth, Allred, another year is flying by. Good morning.
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Speaker 2: I'm damn Carol. Brian Thomas has the day off, thanks
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Speaker 2: to Joe Strecker for letting me come back to the
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Speaker 2: big chair. Brian Thomas just one day off. He will
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Speaker 2: be back tomorrow, so we are all looking forward to that.
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Speaker 2: I sit down in the chair today and I see
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Speaker 2: Joe Strecker has put before me. Joe, this is the
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Speaker 2: entire report from Campaign zero. Okay, page one. It's going
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Speaker 2: to take me the whole show to read this whole report, Joe.
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Speaker 2: I haven't ai to it to get an encapsulation yet,
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Speaker 2: but look, I think we pretty much know. And I
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Speaker 2: was listening yesterday and am I right? Signal nine was
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Speaker 2: here for an hour. Half an hour felt like an hour.
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Speaker 2: But Signal ninety nine has a pretty good, I think,
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Speaker 2: pretty good take on the organization that put this out,
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Speaker 2: and I read where they were standing behind their methodology
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Speaker 2: and standing behind Look, this is campaign zero and the
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Speaker 2: tagline that's on the front page of their report. Joe,
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Speaker 2: I think this tells you a lot about what Campaign
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Speaker 2: zero is. Here's their tagline, we can live in a
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Speaker 2: world beyond policing. We can live world beyond police. So
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Speaker 2: I think that tells you a lot about what Campaign
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Speaker 2: zero is about. And if I've got to, I'm gonna
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna get into this a little bit heavier, a
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Speaker 2: little bit late. We've got Ken Kober on the show today.
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Speaker 2: I texted Ken the other day. I guess it was
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Speaker 2: yesterday or the day before. I don't know when I
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Speaker 2: knew I was going to be on today and Joe,
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Speaker 2: to my understanding, Kenkober has not yet been on to
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Speaker 2: address this and give his feelings on this. Is that correct?
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Speaker 2: So we will hear from here on the on this audience,
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Speaker 2: the fifty five k SEE Morning Show audience will hear
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Speaker 2: from Ken Kober. That is going to happen at what
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Speaker 2: time I've got him from seven thirty today. Jack Atherton
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Speaker 2: will be here with the Big Picture, as Jack always
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Speaker 2: does on Wednesdays, so it's always great to hear from Jack.
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Speaker 2: Apparently he'll be talking about the is it the founders
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Speaker 2: of the Democrat Party, Democrat founding fathers? Okay, and it'll
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Speaker 2: be great to get Jack's take on that State rep
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Speaker 2: Adam Byrd will be here at eight oh five, and
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Speaker 2: a couple of things I want to ask him about.
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Speaker 2: One is that Mike the Wine is abandon abandoning any
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Speaker 2: support that he had for the death penalty. I never
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Speaker 2: really had a sense that Mike the Wine was a
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Speaker 2: huge proponent of the death penalty, although he apparently did
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Speaker 2: help or did had a big hand. I guess in
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Speaker 2: Ohio's current policy as it relates to the death penalty,
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Speaker 2: but it's been what has it been fourteen years something
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Speaker 2: like that since the death penalty has been used in Ohio.
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Speaker 2: And now, of course we have Connie Pillach who has
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Speaker 2: stepped up her efforts to make sure that no one
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Speaker 2: or I guess the people on death row get let
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Speaker 2: out of death row. She's hired the head lawyer from
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Speaker 2: the Innocence Project to lead her her team that is
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Speaker 2: going to review Hamilton County convictions. Cincinnati lawyer Donald Caster
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Speaker 2: spent the past two decades taking on Hamilton County prosecutors
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Speaker 2: and court challenging convictions he considered to be wrongful, fighting
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Speaker 2: the free people that had spent years in prison. Now
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Speaker 2: he gets to do that work. I guess he'll have
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Speaker 2: an office inside the Prosecutor's office. Her conviction Integrity Unit
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Speaker 2: is up and running, and Connie Pilach is going to
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Speaker 2: ride to the rescue of many who have been wrongly convicted.
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Speaker 2: So I think Darcher's frantistic. Let's see, yeah, yeah. Here's
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Speaker 2: the group that spoke about their findings. The Campaign Zero
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Speaker 2: Defense did its report on Cincinnati police stops. Sixty seven
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Speaker 2: page report examines racial disparities and police stops. Also stated
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Speaker 2: that black individuals were more likely to be searched arrested subjectively.
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Speaker 2: And I thought Chris Smithmon was great on this when
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Speaker 2: he was on with the Smither event the other day
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Speaker 2: and he said, look, I mean these communities where these
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Speaker 2: stops are happening, the people from these communities have come
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Speaker 2: and said, please come and police our communities. The vast
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Speaker 2: majority of people in Cincinnati, the vast majority of people everywhere,
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Speaker 2: do not want to live in a crime ridden area.
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Speaker 2: That's it. The vast majority of people want to be
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Speaker 2: able to walk down the streets without having to look
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Speaker 2: over their shoulder. The vast majority of people would love
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Speaker 2: to live in an area where there's not bars on
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Speaker 2: the windows. Vast majority of people want to be able
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Speaker 2: to go to bed at night and not worry about
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Speaker 2: someone breaking into their house or kicking the door down,
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Speaker 2: or having bullets come through their walls and windows. The vast,
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Speaker 2: vast majority of people simply want peace and quiet and
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Speaker 2: to have a neighborhood where they can live and not
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Speaker 2: worry about their kids playing outside. So and Chrismytham and
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Speaker 2: made the great point the other day that these communities
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Speaker 2: where you have largely black populations have come in and said,
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Speaker 2: please have more patrols in our neighborhood, please come in,
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Speaker 2: crack down on crime. So what happens. We acquiesced those requests,
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Speaker 2: and then he comes here comes Campaign zero saying, oh,
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Speaker 2: look at these disparities. So, oh my god, look at this.
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Speaker 2: And and to the credit of and I was very
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Speaker 2: impressed with it all. Going to talk to Ken again,
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Speaker 2: Ken Kobert is. I'm not going to get into a
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Speaker 2: big long thing on this right now, but I was
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Speaker 2: very impressed with the letter the Chief Handy put out
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Speaker 2: to the men and women who wear the uniform every day.
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Speaker 2: And he and he simply said that the you know,
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Speaker 2: this notion of pointing the racial finger at the men
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Speaker 2: and women who put on the uniform every day and
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Speaker 2: go out on the streets and put their well being
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Speaker 2: and their lives on the line every single day, that
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Speaker 2: he is going to stand with them. So I appreciate that.
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Speaker 2: I also appreciate the fact that he said that the
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Speaker 2: city manager is in agreement with him. Let's see Campaign
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Speaker 2: zero welcome the city man's decision to conduct an independent review.
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Speaker 2: During the press conference, the organizations organization revealed it had
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Speaker 2: held two community Leader information centers. Let's see. I thought
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Speaker 2: I read where in one of these stories, and I'm
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Speaker 2: going now, I'm now, I don't have it in front
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Speaker 2: of me right now, but I thought I read where
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Speaker 2: they also, I guess offered to come in and this
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Speaker 2: is where that I guess where they want to get paid.
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Speaker 2: They want to come in and I guess get paid
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Speaker 2: by the city to to help fix these things, to
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Speaker 2: help correct you know. Now, I guess, I guess now
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Speaker 2: they have you know, whatever the fix is that needed
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Speaker 2: for this, and I guess that's where they want to
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Speaker 2: get paid. So we'll see what ken Komer has to
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Speaker 2: say about it. And that's coming up a little bit
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Speaker 2: later on. Also, I was looking at Joe, did you
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Speaker 2: watch over the weekend the UFC fight at the White House.
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Speaker 2: I know you had to come in early Monday morning,
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Speaker 2: so I guess they got started a little bit late.
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Speaker 2: The dagone thing ran till one o'clock in the morning,
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Speaker 2: but it was absolutely fantastic. And I just love all
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Speaker 2: the Democrats and the leftists who are bent out of
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Speaker 2: shape because we had this spectacle at the White House,
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Speaker 2: but for TV purposes, for the show that was put on,
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Speaker 2: the talent that was on display, the flyover, the patriotism,
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Speaker 2: all the rest of it just absolutely fantastic. And then
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Speaker 2: of course we come to find out that there was
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Speaker 2: a terror plot that was associated with this as well,
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Speaker 2: and the FBI broke it up. And I love the
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Speaker 2: headline that the New York Post put on this heavily armed,
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Speaker 2: ticked plotted to attack UFC Freedom two fifty White House
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Speaker 2: event after railing against Trump, billionaire and Israel is what
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Speaker 2: the FEDS had to say. And of course the initial
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Speaker 2: reporting said the first arrest that was made in this
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Speaker 2: happened where do you know where, Joe right here in Cincinnati.
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Speaker 2: Now I think that's been changed since the initial reporting
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Speaker 2: came out on that, but it turned out it's someone
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Speaker 2: in Ohio. Charges happened in at least four states, California, Missouri, Ohio,
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Speaker 2: and Nebraska. So we'll get into some details on that
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Speaker 2: as well. So a whole lot of stuff to get
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Speaker 2: to today and including our great guests. So it's going
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Speaker 2: to be a big day and we hope you can
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Speaker 2: stick around for it. On fifty five, KRCP talks to Strong,
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Speaker 2: I could listen to the whole thing. Love me a
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Speaker 2: little heart now, but you gotta love the New York
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Speaker 2: Post Only The New York Post writes headlines like this,
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Speaker 2: TikTokers heavily armed TikTokers plotted to attack the USC Freedom
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Speaker 2: to fifty. Fanatical TikTokers armed with assault rifles plotted to
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Speaker 2: attack UFC Freedom Too fifty at the White House Sunday
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Speaker 2: night after revving each other up over Jeffrey Epstein, billionaires, Israel,
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Speaker 2: and a hatred for President Trump. According to court papers
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Speaker 2: and sources who spoke with The Post, the multi phaced
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Speaker 2: plot called for explosive drones to strike the South lawn
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Speaker 2: during the event, forcing attendees to flee outside the White House,
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Speaker 2: where a sniper team could pick them off. The FBI
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Speaker 2: foiled the plans by infiltrating signal chat groups where they
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Speaker 2: were planning a coordinated attack to kill President Trump and
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Speaker 2: other government officials. According to federal crime complaints and affidavits
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Speaker 2: unsealed Tuesday, at least five's suspects were arrested and up
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Speaker 2: to ten others wanted in connection with the plot, law
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Speaker 2: enforcement officers said, and ten others are wanted, I should
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Speaker 2: say the sucks best face life in prison for the
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Speaker 2: murder charge and up to five years for conspiring to
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Speaker 2: commit an act of violence at the White House. You
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Speaker 2: only get five years for that. So just me, Joe,
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Speaker 2: does it seem like if you conspire to commit an
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Speaker 2: act of violence at the White House, this five years
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Speaker 2: seem like the right? Seems like you should be a
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Speaker 2: little little stiffer than that. Yeah, Judge Samantha Silverstein, we'll
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Speaker 2: take issue with that, right.
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Speaker 1: Uh.
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Speaker 2: The ultra religious Gorillas espoused anti government or anti Israel
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Speaker 2: views and had initially started plotting in a tik top
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Speaker 2: group called Vanguard of the Old. So just let me look,
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Speaker 2: I'm not on TikTok and maybe if you are, you
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Speaker 2: can help. Maybe Jack Atherton's on TikTok is Jack Atherton
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Speaker 2: on TikTok, is he I'll have to ask Jack about this.
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Speaker 2: If you're going to plot an attack on the White
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Speaker 2: House and a terrorist style attack with drones and snipers
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Speaker 2: and all the rest of it, is it a good
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Speaker 2: idea to go on TikTok and discuss those plans? Just
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Speaker 2: asking you if you have any intention of actually carrying
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Speaker 2: those plans out and keeping these things under wraps? Is
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Speaker 2: that Is it a good idea to do that on
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Speaker 2: TikTok or any social media? You know? Dave Hatter could
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Speaker 2: probably answer that question. I don't. I don't think it's
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Speaker 2: a good idea. But they had a TikTok group called
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Speaker 2: a group called Vanguard of the Old. This was going
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Speaker 2: on in March before they moved conversations to a private
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Speaker 2: signal group called Hunters. So if if they knew all
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Speaker 2: about it, the FEDS did, I'm not sure how private
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Speaker 2: it really was. The quintent was charged in at least
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Speaker 2: four states, California, Ohio, Missouri, Nebraska with conspiring to murder
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Speaker 2: members of the government and others after the parent of
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Speaker 2: one of one of them alerted local police. President Trump,
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Speaker 2: Vice President A. JD. Vance Elon Musk, Prime Minister Benjamin,
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Speaker 2: and Yahoo were all named as potential targetsition to members
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Speaker 2: of Congress and a West Virginia state lawmaker. According to
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Speaker 2: court documents, as many and as deadly as we can get,
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Speaker 2: said suspected ringleader Abraham her most Sillo Alvarez said in
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Speaker 2: one of the messages. Another tyson, Proper, was arrested June
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Speaker 2: tenth after his mom notified the Danville, Ohio Police Department
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Speaker 2: and Knox County Sheriff's Office. So good for you, mom,
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Speaker 2: dropping dime on your own son. That is outstanding. You
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Speaker 2: see something, say something, and in this case it worked.
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Speaker 2: How many times have we seen people frustrated that they
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Speaker 2: actually saw something, they actually said something, and then nothing
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Speaker 2: gets done. Well, in this case, it apparently did. She
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Speaker 2: was concerned about her son's recent firearms purchases and communicating
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Speaker 2: with certain individuals online. According to the affidavit, those persons
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Speaker 2: claim to be ex military and Christian based. The mother
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Speaker 2: later said in a phone interview with an FBI Task
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Speaker 2: Force officer their grievances included government corruption, the handling of
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Speaker 2: the Jeffrey Epstein files, data centers, taking up all the
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Speaker 2: water in the communities, and other government actions as well
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Speaker 2: as billionaires and capitalist elitist. That sounds like the Bernie
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Speaker 2: Sanders agenda right there, doesn't It doesn't that sound like
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Speaker 2: all the kind of stuff that Bernie Sanders talks about.
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Speaker 2: And maybe AO a little bit AOC right there. Maybe
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Speaker 2: they should be questioned about this, Maybe their rhetoric needs
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Speaker 2: to be examined. Maybe maybe you know, they should be
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Speaker 2: questioned because it seems like this plot and the kind
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Speaker 2: of things that these folks were upset about comes right
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Speaker 2: out of the dnc TO talking points. So I don't know,
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Speaker 2: maybe someone will be asking those questions, but we will see.
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Speaker 2: We got to get to a quick break, but uh,
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Speaker 2: way to go mom. One call from mom, and the
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Speaker 2: whole thing just unraveled like a chief suit. But good
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Speaker 2: work by the FEDS and good work by the FBI.
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Speaker 2: The terror plot did not happen. God Bless America five
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Speaker 2: His Story five twenty nine fifty five KRC Dan Carroll
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Speaker 2: and for Brian Thomas. And usually around this time in
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Speaker 2: the morning we hear from Tom and Tom is back
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Speaker 2: on the line again this morning, and Tom, how are
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Speaker 2: you this morning?
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Speaker 1: Oh? I'm all right, Dan, How are.
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Speaker 2: You doing all right? What you got out for me today?
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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I'm listening to the stuff you're talking about, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and uh, scratching my head and wondering how anyone could
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Speaker 1: possibly believe that we do not need policing. I mean,
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Speaker 1: your your story you ended the last segment with, is
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Speaker 1: is more proof that See mom is policing her children,
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Speaker 1: right My mom is walking over mom? Is mom is
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Speaker 1: keeping an eye on things to make sure that the
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Speaker 1: the young wings are on the straight and narrow, see
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Speaker 1: something that's that's not correct, and then does what you
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Speaker 1: supposed to do well, and then you know the rest. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I read the tagline that's right on the Campaign zero
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Speaker 2: report and it says right here, we can live in
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Speaker 2: a world beyond policing.
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Speaker 1: So no, we can't. We can't because according to.
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Speaker 2: Them, according to them, we can. And I know, I know,
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Speaker 2: I know, you know our public office is relying on
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Speaker 2: their expertise to point out the racial disparities that that
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Speaker 2: exists in the in the Cincinnati Police Department.
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Speaker 1: Well, if there are racial disparities in the number of arrests,
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Speaker 1: the number of stops, or whatever, maybe it's may it
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Speaker 1: may not be due to the police going after a
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Speaker 1: certain race and not going after others. It may be
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Speaker 1: due to who's actually doing the things that are causing
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Speaker 1: to get pulled over or searched or whatever. I mean,
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Speaker 1: that's you know, that might have something to do with it.
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Speaker 2: You know, Tom, that way of thinking, that way of
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Speaker 2: thinking when it comes to arresting people who commit crimes,
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Speaker 2: or actually knowing who commits crimes, that is so nineteen seventies.
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Speaker 2: That think you so outdated. You just really are not
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Speaker 2: very progressive in your thinking at all.
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Speaker 1: My friend, what do they want tos to do? Sit
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Speaker 1: there and look sit there and look at somebody doing
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Speaker 1: something suspicious and go, oh, wait a minute, black, I've
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Speaker 1: already searched two black people tonight. I'm going to leave
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Speaker 1: that one go. Isn't that racism?
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Speaker 2: Well, apparently apparently this group has the answers for these problems,
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Speaker 2: but you know, uh, the money, the money is going
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Speaker 2: to have to flow before those answers are right, right. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: So that's a great point.
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Speaker 1: That's actually probably the best point of that whole story
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Speaker 1: is if somebody wants to get paid, And isn't that
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Speaker 1: pretty much the story of how everything goes, somebody just
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Speaker 1: wants to get paid. I want to get paid, Well,
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Speaker 1: you go ahead.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. They were talking to local media. They were talking
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Speaker 2: to local media yesterday, and and what I glean from
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Speaker 2: that is that, hey, we've pointed out the issues. We
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Speaker 2: can come in now and we can uh, you know,
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Speaker 2: get things squared away here. But of course there's going
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Speaker 2: to be you know, a contract with probably uh you know,
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Speaker 2: seven or eight figures attached to it.
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Speaker 1: Huh at least, yeah, at least. So I want to
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Speaker 1: get paid. So but I'm on the thinking that I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and sit in this line of traffic
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Speaker 1: to get into my job site today, and I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: work ten hours and do the things that I gotta
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Speaker 1: do that my boss has asked me to do so
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Speaker 1: I can get a paycheck. And that's how I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: get paid. I'm not gonna get paid by making up
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Speaker 1: some BS crap and and then trying to trying to
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Speaker 1: pilfer off of the off the taxpayer. And that's I'm
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Speaker 1: not gonna do that because I got a bit of
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Speaker 1: a conscience and I realized that I need to work
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Speaker 1: for what I get, just like most everybody else does.
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Speaker 1: The vast majority of people do. And I know that
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Speaker 1: probably one hundred percent of his listening audience believes that
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Speaker 1: you want something, you got to get up and go
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Speaker 1: earn it and then you'll get it.
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Speaker 2: That's a very nineteen sixties or seventies.
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Speaker 1: Should I should I apologize? Should I should able apology?
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Speaker 1: Out there? At the bottom of my apology, it's gonna say,
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Speaker 1: don't vote Democrat, have a great day.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Tom's not really what the program Tom, that's just
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Speaker 2: his uh doesn't really have his progressive bona fides going
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Speaker 2: on there. Three shot. I'm waiting. Let me let me
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Speaker 2: try this again. Oh yeah, shopping center shooting Injures three. Okay,
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Speaker 2: so three shot in Corain Township. This is under investigation.
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Speaker 2: Joe has put some local news in front of me
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Speaker 2: this morning. Three men injured in the shooting. Happened around
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Speaker 2: one pm Tuesday and the shopping center on Compton Road,
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Speaker 2: Compton and Pippin. The men were taken to the University
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Speaker 2: of Cincinnati, conditions unknown. A photo from the scene shows
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Speaker 2: evidence markers, including one next to what appears to be
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Speaker 2: a clothing and shoes Crome Coraine Township Police or crime
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Speaker 2: Stoppers five three two one, cops, if you have any information,
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Speaker 2: cops that thirty forty. Yeah, Joe, what happened? We haven't
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Speaker 2: done a crime stoppers, sec. We didn't do one last
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Speaker 2: week on Friday. Just on Fridays. Now, Okay, let's see.
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Speaker 2: Person hospitalized after shooting in Cleeves inmont County. Sheriff's Office
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Speaker 2: is investigating. Deputies responded to the US fifty and Mountain
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Speaker 2: Nebo Road for the report of the shooting. One person
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Speaker 2: in custody. According to deputies, westbound US fifty and Mountain
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Speaker 2: Nebo and Harrison are both closed temporarily. That was yesterday,
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Speaker 2: so I'm sure they're open now. The Bethel police chief
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Speaker 2: has waived extradition from Florida on the sex abuse charges. Joe,
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Speaker 2: did you see the picture of the chief and then
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Speaker 2: the shirt he was wearing when he got arrested. What
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Speaker 2: that shirt say day drinking with Lincoln. I mean he
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Speaker 2: was in Florida, so I guess he was having a
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Speaker 2: good time. But oh man, this whole thing with the
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Speaker 2: police chief out there in Bethel, Chad assert does not
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Speaker 2: look good, does not look good or all. So that
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Speaker 2: is extremely unfortunate. So we will see what comes of that.
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Speaker 2: But sorry to see that happen. Five thirty six, fifty
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Speaker 2: five KRCV talk station.
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Speaker 3: Friday, June nineteenth, Nashville becomes.
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Speaker 2: The talk station fifty five KRCD talk station fifty five.
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Speaker 2: I just said fifty five krc but it's it's Dan
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Speaker 2: Carrolyn for Brian Thomas. Here's the way WCPO wrote it up.
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Speaker 2: Nonprofit behind the report detailing a worsening racial disparity in
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Speaker 2: Cincinnati police stops stood by their methodology. D Ray McKesson,
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Speaker 2: executive director of Campaign Zero, which researches policing practices and
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Speaker 2: proposes policies for reform, said the nonprofit did an independent
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Speaker 2: review of the city's data on traffic stops and pedestrian stops,
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Speaker 2: not speaking with any outside groups like public defenders, community leaders,
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Speaker 2: or officials until it finished its analysis. What is true
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Speaker 2: is that this is an independent report. There is no
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Speaker 2: contractor employee of the city or elected official who has
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Speaker 2: had a decision making authority about the content of this report.
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Speaker 2: McKesson said they met with the community and city leaders,
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Speaker 2: including city Manager Shareah Long and interim Police Chief Adam Henny,
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Speaker 2: to discuss their findings. During the meeting with the city.
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Speaker 2: The city offered to give them data that is not
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Speaker 2: publicly available to provide further context, resulting in the nonprofit
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Speaker 2: withholding their release until further analysis was completed. However, before
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Speaker 2: that data could be released, both Long and Heney had
25:52
Speaker 2: released memos questioning the nonprofits methodology. Despite McKesson saying Henny
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Speaker 2: was silent in their private meeting discussing the analysis, asking
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Speaker 2: no questions nor providing any feedback, Campaign Zero was given
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Speaker 2: the additional data provided by the city the details when
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Speaker 2: nine to one one calls dictate officer movements. However, McKesson
26:18
Speaker 2: said they believe that data does not suggest that the
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Speaker 2: majority of police stops were due to nine to one
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Speaker 2: one calls. The city's argument is that nine one one
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Speaker 2: calls in the data called calls for service dictate movement
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Speaker 2: of police across the city, and that it is not
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Speaker 2: one cause that determines and that it is not one
26:43
Speaker 2: cause that determines who the police stopped. McKesson said, we
26:47
Speaker 2: think that is an interesting way to think about it,
26:50
Speaker 2: though we think that that does not reflect reality. We
26:57
Speaker 2: reached out to it a Cities First a spokesperson asking
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Speaker 2: the city's Officer on office. The city manager's office had
27:04
Speaker 2: any statement to share. In response, the spokesperson wrote back,
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Speaker 2: the city has been clear on next steps, so that
27:11
Speaker 2: we're moving forward. So the city has been clear on
27:15
Speaker 2: the next steps, so that's what we're moving forward on
27:19
Speaker 2: the Mayor's comments from last week's stands, he expects a
27:21
Speaker 2: four review of the report and supports the administration's outlined
27:27
Speaker 2: next steps. Mayor Pervol's chief of staff said in a statement,
27:32
Speaker 2: resources will be there to implement any necessary studies, problem
27:36
Speaker 2: solving projects and recommendations. Again, if the finding show a
27:41
Speaker 2: racial bias, it has to be fixed. McKesson and other
27:48
Speaker 2: members of Campaigns Here then provided their full, complete report,
27:51
Speaker 2: which shows that while stops have fallen dramatically since two
27:56
Speaker 2: thousand and nine, there remains a racial disparity in traffic
28:00
Speaker 2: and pedestrian stops within the city limits. And that was
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Speaker 2: the initial thing when I first saw this report that
28:06
Speaker 2: jumped out at me about the way the overall number
28:11
Speaker 2: of stops has dropped off dramatically. Is there a correlation
28:18
Speaker 2: there between the number of stops? And again, this goes
28:23
Speaker 2: back to the whole notion of proactive policing. Since we
28:27
Speaker 2: have gotten away from that, is there a direct correlation
28:31
Speaker 2: between that and at least the perception of crime that
28:36
Speaker 2: goes up on the rise and how many, how many
28:40
Speaker 2: stops don't happen, how many crimes don't get reported. It's
28:46
Speaker 2: a it's a complex it's a complex picture. And just
28:52
Speaker 2: to to chalk this up as simply racial disparity, I
28:57
Speaker 2: think doesn't serve anyone. Well, let's see and then then
29:05
Speaker 2: they get into more details of the of the alleged
29:10
Speaker 2: racial disparity. Cincinnati Council member of former Cincinnati police officer
29:15
Speaker 2: Scotti Johnson was among the multiple city leaders to question
29:18
Speaker 2: the findings. He pointed to patrol geography as a potential factor.
29:23
Speaker 2: What part of town of these officers patrolling it. If
29:25
Speaker 2: you think about a community like wint And Terrorists, probably
29:27
Speaker 2: ninety five percent plus black. If an officer is showing
29:31
Speaker 2: that he or she is stopping more black people than
29:33
Speaker 2: white people and they patrol wint And Terrorists, the fact
29:37
Speaker 2: that the populations ninety five percent black would tell you
29:39
Speaker 2: would tell that story. The city is planned said that
29:44
Speaker 2: it's planning for a separate review with an additional context
29:48
Speaker 2: to provide a thoroughfare and full picture of policing in Cincinnati.
29:54
Speaker 2: So again, Ken Kober is going to be here at
29:59
Speaker 2: seven point thirty this morning, and we will run all
30:04
Speaker 2: this stuff by him and get his take on all
30:06
Speaker 2: of this. Five fifty five KRCV talk.
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Speaker 4: Station years of early mornings every weekend the talk station.
30:21
Speaker 2: One of the headlines said, came out of the big
30:24
Speaker 2: UFC fighting event, the UFC two fifty at the White
30:28
Speaker 2: House over the weekend. And by the way, I did
30:30
Speaker 2: stay up and watch the entire thing, and that last
30:33
Speaker 2: fight was unbelievably brutal. But one of the headlines that
30:37
Speaker 2: came out of there was Josh Hockett, who won his fight.
30:41
Speaker 2: I don't know. I guess he was the third or
30:43
Speaker 2: fourth fight of the night. And then after the Joe
30:47
Speaker 2: do we do we have the audio of that around?
30:49
Speaker 2: I know I didn't. I didn't send it to you, Okay,
30:53
Speaker 2: I guess he said, Mochelle Michelle Obama is a man.
30:56
Speaker 2: Am I right, America? I guess. I guess there was laughter.
31:00
Speaker 2: I don't know if there was huge applause after that.
31:03
Speaker 2: But Dana White has come out and finally spoken about that,
31:09
Speaker 2: and here's what he said. He said, I understand that
31:11
Speaker 2: the Obamas or public figures. But I'm completely against saying
31:15
Speaker 2: nasty and false things about people's families. Everyone knows my
31:18
Speaker 2: position on free speech, but I hate that kind of nonsense.
31:25
Speaker 2: Let's see, I guess. In January, during comments in the Octagon,
31:29
Speaker 2: hockets similarly target Britney Griner, saying the basketball star as
31:34
Speaker 2: a man. White said he heard about the comment but
31:37
Speaker 2: had not seen it. He said, I don't love it,
31:39
Speaker 2: he said. And that's why. One thing I love about
31:42
Speaker 2: Dana White is he gives his fighters their freedom of
31:50
Speaker 2: speech and he lets them say what they want to say.
31:53
Speaker 2: They of course have to own what they say, so
31:57
Speaker 2: it's not to my way of thinking, it's not really
31:59
Speaker 2: on him. Here's another thing I love about this. Joe Rogan,
32:02
Speaker 2: who was interviewing this guy, Well, I guess when the
32:06
Speaker 2: guy said that, and I missed that. I must have
32:08
Speaker 2: been out of the room when this guy said what
32:10
Speaker 2: he said, because I didn't hear about this this dust
32:14
Speaker 2: up until the next day. But after Hockett said what
32:18
Speaker 2: he said about Michelle Obama, all Joe Rogan said was
32:23
Speaker 2: ladies and gentlemen Josh Hockett. So Hackett has received a
32:30
Speaker 2: ton of criticism for his comments. Many feel that Joe
32:34
Speaker 2: Rogan did not condemn the comment the comments quickly enough.
32:37
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's spoken about it since then.
32:40
Speaker 2: Former ESPN host Jammel Hill is among those calling out
32:45
Speaker 2: Joe Rogan. He said he should apologize too. So, Joe,
32:50
Speaker 2: I'm sure that maybe you'll agree with me that Joe
32:53
Speaker 2: Rogan is fretting now that Jamel Hill has called for
32:58
Speaker 2: him to apologize. I don't think, Jue. I don't think
33:02
Speaker 2: Joe Rogan is going to give Jamil Hill the time
33:05
Speaker 2: of day. And by the way, did you know that
33:08
Speaker 2: there was counter programming led by Hanoi Jane uh and
33:14
Speaker 2: and so she had she had a show on that
33:17
Speaker 2: apparently was not very well not very well viewed. And
33:21
Speaker 2: what was this thing called? Let me see? It was
33:23
Speaker 2: called something about Stanton, Rise Up and sing Out concert
33:28
Speaker 2: all about the First Amendment. I guess Hillary Clinton made
33:31
Speaker 2: an appearance or maybe did a videotaped appearance, but there
33:34
Speaker 2: was singing and uh, look, I'm sorry to do this
33:38
Speaker 2: to you, but here's a little taste of some of
33:40
Speaker 2: the entertainment that they enjoyed. Joe, let's hear cutting them
33:43
Speaker 2: a four please.
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Speaker 5: No line is getting left behind this time, no line,
33:57
Speaker 5: not this time. No one is getting left behind.
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Speaker 6: It's time.
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Speaker 2: How do we get there together?
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Speaker 1: Orgever cut there right all?
34:11
Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, so Jane Fonda and her friends. That is
34:15
Speaker 2: some of the entertainment that they put on. There's actually
34:17
Speaker 2: a cut from Bett Midler too, and trust me, it
34:20
Speaker 2: wasn't much better. I would have played it in this segment,
34:23
Speaker 2: but we are up against the clock so that we
34:24
Speaker 2: gotta go. Sorry about your luck there, Hanoy Jane five
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Speaker 2: fifty five on fifty five KRC, the talk station at
34:33
Speaker 2: the top of the hour. Here the top story talk Station,
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Speaker 2: fifty five KRC, the talk station rolling out the Van
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Speaker 2: Haalen as we we always do, top of every hour
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Speaker 2: thanks to Joe Strecker. Six oh six on this Wednesday morning,
35:08
Speaker 2: Dan Carroll in for Brian Thomas as Brian enjoys a
35:11
Speaker 2: day off after a big, big night for him last night.
35:15
Speaker 2: I'm told he went to a very nice concert last night,
35:18
Speaker 2: so I'm sure he can tell you all about it
35:20
Speaker 2: tomorrow when he is back in the big chair. But
35:22
Speaker 2: today you got me and Jack Atherton coming up in
35:25
Speaker 2: one hour from now. Big day for jd Vance yesterday,
35:30
Speaker 2: Yes he was he I guess he started his day
35:32
Speaker 2: at Fox News on the Curvy Couch with Fox and
35:36
Speaker 2: Friends there and then he made his rounds at Fox.
35:39
Speaker 2: I believe he also did a segment with CNN during
35:44
Speaker 2: the day, and then it was a trip to visit
35:47
Speaker 2: with the Ladies of the View and look. I from
35:55
Speaker 2: time to time I talk about what goes on at
35:58
Speaker 2: the View. I decided a long long time ago, and
36:01
Speaker 2: I've mentioned this before on this show, that I decided
36:04
Speaker 2: a long time ago that I simply am not going
36:07
Speaker 2: to roll audio clips from the Ladies on the View.
36:12
Speaker 2: It is just it is just such a stupid show,
36:17
Speaker 2: such stupid commentary, really not overloaded with serious content, and
36:30
Speaker 2: they're so predictable that they're going to say something that
36:35
Speaker 2: is just as dumb as can be. And so it
36:39
Speaker 2: makes it easy pickings for a radio talk show, because
36:44
Speaker 2: every day you could pick out something that Anna Navarro
36:48
Speaker 2: or Joy Baha or Whoopee or any of the other
36:53
Speaker 2: ladies on the View. You can pick out something almost
36:55
Speaker 2: every single day that they say, it's, oh my god,
36:58
Speaker 2: how stupid. And I thought to myself alone, and this
37:01
Speaker 2: goes back I don't know four or five years. I
37:05
Speaker 2: just said, you know, what, I'm going to leave the
37:06
Speaker 2: View alone. I mean, every once in a while they'll
37:09
Speaker 2: say something beyond ridiculous and I'll talk about it, but
37:14
Speaker 2: I usually do not play audio cuts from the View.
37:19
Speaker 2: But in this case, I'm making an exception. Why because J. D.
37:22
Speaker 2: Vance was on with the Ladies of the View, and
37:24
Speaker 2: I want you to hear what he had to say.
37:27
Speaker 2: And it is I think unusual in the extreme for
37:33
Speaker 2: the Ladies of the View to have a guest on
37:36
Speaker 2: that disagrees with them, meaning a guest on that has
37:40
Speaker 2: conservative views on almost a legitimate conservative views on almost anything.
37:46
Speaker 2: I know they've had. I think years ago, Sean Hannity
37:50
Speaker 2: was on the View. I don't know if they asked
37:53
Speaker 2: him to come back on a regular basis. But here's
37:55
Speaker 2: what will be, Goldberg said yesterday when she was interviewed
38:01
Speaker 2: or introducing the Vice President. For twenty nine seasons, this
38:06
Speaker 2: show has invited thousands of guests with all kinds of
38:09
Speaker 2: diverse viewpoints on the View. I guess technically that's true,
38:14
Speaker 2: but generally speaking, the viewpoints that are shared on the
38:19
Speaker 2: View are usually right in line with what the hosts
38:23
Speaker 2: of that show think and the audience too, and that's
38:28
Speaker 2: one of the things that gets me on that. And look,
38:31
Speaker 2: I see clips so that when I'm getting ready for
38:34
Speaker 2: the shows that I do, either here or down the hall,
38:37
Speaker 2: I see clips of the view all the time, and
38:40
Speaker 2: they say these just insipidly stupid things, and the audience
38:44
Speaker 2: is like, oh, and then they're clapping, and I guess
38:49
Speaker 2: I get you know, the applause light is going on,
38:51
Speaker 2: so they have to applaud. They're like train seals. But
38:55
Speaker 2: here's what Goldberg said, for twenty nine seasons, they've invited
38:58
Speaker 2: thousands of guests with all kinds the verse view points,
39:01
Speaker 2: and we have been asking our next guest to join
39:04
Speaker 2: us for a while.
39:05
Speaker 7: Now.
39:08
Speaker 2: I'm a little bit dubious on that part of the statement.
39:11
Speaker 2: I don't think they've been asking JD Vance to join
39:15
Speaker 2: them for a while now, she says, So we're glad
39:18
Speaker 2: he's taken us up on our offer today. So there
39:21
Speaker 2: was a plight applause as JD walked out, went to
39:24
Speaker 2: the hand, went to the table, shook hands with Joy Behar,
39:29
Speaker 2: Alissa Fara Griffin, Sarah Haynes, Sonny Hasten, Annonavarro, and of
39:34
Speaker 2: course Whoopee was out there. So you know they asked
39:38
Speaker 2: a couple of questions, and look, I'm actually one thing
39:41
Speaker 2: I do do is I give credit where credit is due,
39:46
Speaker 2: and I'm going to give credit to the Ladies on
39:51
Speaker 2: the View because at least they did enough homework to
39:54
Speaker 2: know that JD. Vance is a smart guy. They know
39:59
Speaker 2: that attacks on him are not going to work. They
40:04
Speaker 2: know that they're not going to be able to throw
40:06
Speaker 2: him off his game, that he is very well equipped
40:13
Speaker 2: to handle himself from the attacks, that he is likely
40:17
Speaker 2: going to get it from the Ladies on the View,
40:19
Speaker 2: and I think they understood that going in, so they
40:21
Speaker 2: didn't really have the claws out. Although Whoopee thought she
40:26
Speaker 2: could get at JD. Vans on the angle of race
40:31
Speaker 2: and it didn't work out that well. And here's a
40:34
Speaker 2: little bit of what that sounded like. And this is
40:36
Speaker 2: the short version of this. You can go and find
40:39
Speaker 2: there's a version of this. It's like four minutes long.
40:41
Speaker 2: This one's just about a minute long. But you get
40:45
Speaker 2: the sense of how JD. Vans handled this question from
40:49
Speaker 2: Whoopee as it relates to race. Joe, that's your cut
40:52
Speaker 2: number two.
40:52
Speaker 8: Please, yes, I do, because you're talking you were talking
40:56
Speaker 8: about people. What did black people do to this administration
41:02
Speaker 8: that has allowed it to really stigmatize folks of color.
41:10
Speaker 8: And you know how hard it is you have you
41:13
Speaker 8: have folks of color in your family. So when you see,
41:19
Speaker 8: you know, things the matil stuff coming down, or them
41:23
Speaker 8: doing all kinds of removal of information of black heroes,
41:29
Speaker 8: how do you how do you? How does that sit
41:32
Speaker 8: with you?
41:33
Speaker 3: Well?
41:33
Speaker 9: What do you what exactly are you talking about?
41:35
Speaker 1: What?
41:36
Speaker 10: Because you're talking about no, you don't know what it's
41:42
Speaker 10: talking So in a lot of the museums just there's
41:50
Speaker 10: so many I just you know, where they're taking down
41:54
Speaker 10: the actual history that happened in this country, slavery.
41:59
Speaker 2: Because Joe chimed into my ear washingle whoope was forming
42:02
Speaker 2: that question and he says, what the hell is she
42:05
Speaker 2: talking about? And that's exactly what JD Van said, what
42:08
Speaker 2: are you talking about? And she well, there are so
42:15
Speaker 2: many I mean, come on, whoopee. I tried to give
42:17
Speaker 2: her a little bit of credit for not going trying
42:21
Speaker 2: to go in for the kill on JD. Van's and
42:23
Speaker 2: then of course when he challenged the slightest little back
42:26
Speaker 2: of pushback, what are you talking about? She cannot answer.
42:31
Speaker 2: She's stumbling bumbling, fumbling all around, and that shows on
42:35
Speaker 2: her part at least exceedingly poor preparation. She should have
42:40
Speaker 2: been aware that if she was going to take an
42:43
Speaker 2: angle like that, she should have had Well, let me
42:45
Speaker 2: give you an example. Boom boom boom, How about this, this,
42:49
Speaker 2: and this. The notion that the Trump administration is trying,
42:54
Speaker 2: to her words, stigmatize black people is beyond ridiculous. It's
42:59
Speaker 2: ridiculous on its face. And the moment he says, what
43:05
Speaker 2: are you talking about, she's got nothing in response, and
43:09
Speaker 2: it was I think it was Joy Behar or one
43:11
Speaker 2: of the other girls said well, museums, Oh yeah, museums,
43:16
Speaker 2: and she just repeated out the first thing that went
43:18
Speaker 2: in her ear. I guess she was relying on a
43:20
Speaker 2: producer to give her a stream of information that she
43:25
Speaker 2: could regurgitate back to him, but apparently that didn't happen.
43:31
Speaker 2: So I could only imagine that when that show was
43:34
Speaker 2: over there was a strongly worded session between Whoopie and
43:41
Speaker 2: her producers because they made her, you know, let her
43:45
Speaker 2: look and look. She did it to herself. She made
43:48
Speaker 2: herself look like an absolute fool on that question. So
43:56
Speaker 2: very good for Jade Vance and he wasn't done to
44:00
Speaker 2: some more of his cuts after this, but we got
44:01
Speaker 2: to check the weather and take a little what did
44:06
Speaker 2: what did? Rush Limbo used to call them a profit
44:08
Speaker 2: center timeout. We'll do that on fifty five KRC, the
44:13
Speaker 2: talk station.
44:14
Speaker 4: I heart radio music festivals.
44:15
Speaker 5: See the talk station.
44:23
Speaker 2: And I just want to go on record as saying
44:25
Speaker 2: that I did not watch the View yesterday. I do
44:29
Speaker 2: not watch the View. Back in my Channel nine days,
44:35
Speaker 2: when I was flying around in the helicopter, there were
44:37
Speaker 2: times when we would be up covering new stories or
44:41
Speaker 2: getting some footage of certain things from Chopper nine. And
44:45
Speaker 2: so when you have your head and I was in
44:49
Speaker 2: the in the back of the helicopter, I was not
44:51
Speaker 2: a lot of people think I was a pilot flying
44:52
Speaker 2: the helicopter around.
44:53
Speaker 1: I was not.
44:55
Speaker 2: I sat in the I was the reporter. I sat
44:57
Speaker 2: in the back around the camera, communicated with station, reported
45:00
Speaker 2: on traffic and breaking news and those sorts of things.
45:05
Speaker 2: So there were times when we flew and the view,
45:09
Speaker 2: I guess it's still on Channel nine. I don't know.
45:11
Speaker 2: I've not watched it never. I've never watched the show,
45:15
Speaker 2: but the view was on. And when you have the
45:18
Speaker 2: headsets on and you have to communicate with the station.
45:21
Speaker 2: You're getting a constant stream in your ear of what
45:24
Speaker 2: is on the air. And there were times when the view,
45:28
Speaker 2: the view was on the air and it was getting
45:30
Speaker 2: pumped into my head. That's that's like a torture, that Joe.
45:34
Speaker 2: That's like, I mean, imagine that that can be if
45:39
Speaker 2: you were if you want to, I mean, you know,
45:43
Speaker 2: you really want to torture someone, You force them to
45:46
Speaker 2: wear headsets and you just constantly stream the view into
45:48
Speaker 2: their head, and it's a terrible thing. It's a terrible fate,
45:54
Speaker 2: worse than death. But again, and so I'm just reading
45:59
Speaker 2: the re cap from USA today on this. But again,
46:03
Speaker 2: it was a long day for jd Vance because he
46:05
Speaker 2: did the rounds at Fox News in the morning, then
46:07
Speaker 2: he went to CNN, then he went to visit with
46:09
Speaker 2: the ladies on the View, then he came back to
46:11
Speaker 2: Fox and sat in on the five. I've got a
46:14
Speaker 2: cut from that too. But back to the View. Here
46:16
Speaker 2: he is with Anna Navarro and of course she is there.
46:20
Speaker 2: I guess they're resident expert on immigration and DACA, you know,
46:26
Speaker 2: and the Dreamers and all that kind of stuff. And
46:29
Speaker 2: she thought she might be able to get under JD's
46:32
Speaker 2: skin with a very tough question about illegal immigration in
46:36
Speaker 2: this country. And here's how JD. Vans handled that cut one.
46:40
Speaker 4: And I believe as a Christian, I can tell my
46:43
Speaker 4: kids why it's important to have borders. I get that
46:46
Speaker 4: there are laws, there are resources. I get all that things.
46:48
Speaker 4: It's much harder to explain when I see someone dragged
46:50
Speaker 4: out of a house or wrongly take into a thing
46:54
Speaker 4: that isn't a violent cinio. That is, it's a little
46:57
Speaker 4: more nuanced as a parent to try to say when
47:00
Speaker 4: someone's referred to as vermin ors come when I teach
47:03
Speaker 4: them in school about people that have done that before,
47:05
Speaker 4: but this is different. It's very hard as a parent
47:07
Speaker 4: and a Christian to say both things.
47:10
Speaker 11: And you actually say in the book, you talk about this,
47:12
Speaker 11: you talk about this struggle, this internal struggle in the book,
47:15
Speaker 11: and you talk about moral trade offs that result in
47:18
Speaker 11: favoring a strict migration policy without dehumanizing anyone. But listen,
47:24
Speaker 11: over fifty people have died in ice custody. There are
47:28
Speaker 11: thousands of children, sixty two hundred that are being held
47:31
Speaker 11: in places like Dailly Detention Center. The people that have
47:34
Speaker 11: visited those detention centers. I don't know if you have
47:37
Speaker 11: talk about the sub human infrahuman conditions, the lack of
47:40
Speaker 11: clean water, the lack of medical attention, the lack of education.
47:44
Speaker 11: I would urge you, as a Christian and as a
47:47
Speaker 11: father to visit those detention centers where the children are
47:50
Speaker 11: being held and make sure that the conditions relate to
47:54
Speaker 11: the values that we hold in this country.
47:57
Speaker 9: So you guys have thrown a lot at me, and
47:58
Speaker 9: I say, we've got thirty seconds left here, But let
48:01
Speaker 9: me say number one. I'd like to pick up on
48:04
Speaker 9: this theme because I think it's really important. We do
48:06
Speaker 9: have to strike a balance, of course, between enforcing our laws.
48:09
Speaker 9: We don't want to humanize people. That is the balance
48:11
Speaker 9: that look law enforcement. What I'd say about this, law
48:14
Speaker 9: enforcement is always inherently not a very pretty process, especially
48:18
Speaker 9: when you're dealing sometimes with violent people, with people who
48:21
Speaker 9: are resisting arrest. Some of the people that I've been
48:24
Speaker 9: told by the media were completely peaceful, had never violated
48:27
Speaker 9: any laws. You actually look into the record and you
48:29
Speaker 9: find out that those people were actually being violent, or
48:32
Speaker 9: they did have a criminal record.
48:34
Speaker 2: They had a sex.
48:35
Speaker 12: Traft conviction, you have criminal records so the majority of
48:38
Speaker 12: people that ICE is rounding up and taking taking out
48:42
Speaker 12: of their homes from their families. They're separating families, they're
48:46
Speaker 12: using children as bab but not criminal.
48:48
Speaker 9: But can I respond to that, Guys, let me just
48:50
Speaker 9: say this. Okay, so you talk about the children, Here's
48:54
Speaker 9: what I'd say. Do we know that during the last
48:57
Speaker 9: administration we had tens of thousands of children who were
49:01
Speaker 9: sex trafficked by the cartels, who are brought into our
49:04
Speaker 9: country in profoundly dangerous and predatory conditions. But here's the point,
49:10
Speaker 9: unless you enforce the border, you invite that kind of conduct.
49:14
Speaker 9: You think that our immigration policies are inhumane based on
49:18
Speaker 9: the reporting of one person with a political bias. What
49:21
Speaker 9: I'm telling you is that it's inhumane to allow cartels
49:24
Speaker 9: to sex traffic people across from the And by the way, John,
49:30
Speaker 9: I appreciate that.
49:32
Speaker 13: And jd.
49:33
Speaker 2: Vance of course is one hundred percent right. And it's
49:36
Speaker 2: not tens of thousands, it's hundreds of thousands. We have
49:41
Speaker 2: the news conference the other day from the Department of
49:46
Speaker 2: Homeland Security, from the Attorney General's office about the number
49:52
Speaker 2: of I believe the number is fifteen hundred people indicted
49:57
Speaker 2: for falsely bringing these kids and falsely claiming they were
50:01
Speaker 2: going to sponsor these kids, when in fact they were
50:03
Speaker 2: trafficking these kids into some of just the absolute worst
50:08
Speaker 2: situations imaginable, and then sell you that. That was Sonny Hostin
50:14
Speaker 2: you heard there saying, let's talk about this administration. Fine,
50:19
Speaker 2: let's talk about this administration because this administration is seeking
50:23
Speaker 2: to rescue these kids and seeking to prosecute those who
50:31
Speaker 2: committed the crimes against them. That's what this administration is doing.
50:36
Speaker 2: The other administration, the Joe Biden administration, is the one
50:40
Speaker 2: that allowed these kids to come into the country illegally,
50:45
Speaker 2: go to sponsors who did not have their best interest
50:48
Speaker 2: at heart, that sought to get these kids in the
50:52
Speaker 2: child pornography, pimping them out to the sex trade, slave labor,
50:59
Speaker 2: and possibly even worse, if that's even imaginable. And then
51:04
Speaker 2: we've got over three hundred thousand kids who they have
51:08
Speaker 2: no idea where they are. Over one hundred thousand have
51:11
Speaker 2: already been rescued, but there's about three hundred thousand to go.
51:15
Speaker 2: That's the past it that's the administration that they want
51:18
Speaker 2: to talk about. And these ladies idiotically want to claim
51:22
Speaker 2: of well, they're being separated from their families. You know,
51:26
Speaker 2: look at the facts, ladies. And again just another reason
51:30
Speaker 2: why if you spend time watching the View, you're going
51:33
Speaker 2: to be dumber for it. Six twenty seven, fifty five
51:36
Speaker 2: KRC The Talk.
51:37
Speaker 6: Station, five KRC the Talk Station.
51:45
Speaker 2: So JD Vance on the View yesterday, I give him
51:48
Speaker 2: great credit because Joe, I think you'll agree with me.
51:51
Speaker 2: He could easily go in there and just eviscerate these ladies,
51:55
Speaker 2: but he took he takes it easy on them to
51:57
Speaker 2: a degree. He's stands his ground, but he does it
52:01
Speaker 2: in a way that I that I say is highly respectful,
52:05
Speaker 2: never gets bent out of shape, never gets flustered. And
52:08
Speaker 2: so to my way of thinking, that makes JD. Vance
52:12
Speaker 2: and Marco Rubio two of the real superstars. And I
52:15
Speaker 2: think Scott Pissent could have gone and I think really
52:18
Speaker 2: almost any member of the Trump cabinet could have gone
52:22
Speaker 2: in there and done maybe I don't want to say
52:27
Speaker 2: an equally good job, but maybe very close to a
52:30
Speaker 2: good job, as JD. Vans did yesterday. One of the
52:34
Speaker 2: things that JD Vance did was he started out of
52:36
Speaker 2: Fox News, went back to Fox News for the five
52:39
Speaker 2: and he was a co host on the Five yesterday,
52:41
Speaker 2: sitting right next to Jessica Tarlov, and so they got
52:44
Speaker 2: on the subject of the Iran deal, and Jessica Tarlov
52:48
Speaker 2: tried to throw out the canard that saw you know,
52:53
Speaker 2: part of the deal includes all these I guess millions
52:57
Speaker 2: or billions of dollars going to the Iranian regime. And
53:01
Speaker 2: that didn't work that well with JD either. And here's
53:04
Speaker 2: how that went down. Cut number three, Joe.
53:07
Speaker 9: They talk about the benefits to the Iranians without any
53:10
Speaker 9: of the things the Iranians would have to give up
53:12
Speaker 9: and have to change in order to get those benefits.
53:14
Speaker 9: So you mentioned a three hundred million dollar fund. I
53:16
Speaker 9: got to be very clear about this. Not a single
53:18
Speaker 9: cent of American money, under any circumstance, no matter what
53:21
Speaker 9: the Iranians do, goes to Iran. Not a single scent
53:24
Speaker 9: of American money.
53:26
Speaker 2: Here's what this says. This says for example, let's say
53:28
Speaker 2: that the.
53:29
Speaker 9: United Air Memorirates, who have been a great ally. Let's
53:31
Speaker 9: say they want to invest in a power plant in Iran.
53:34
Speaker 9: What this deal provides is that if the Iranians have
53:38
Speaker 9: done everything we require them to do, then we will
53:40
Speaker 9: allow the United Air memborates to do that, because they
53:43
Speaker 9: can't do that right now without American approval. So we're
53:45
Speaker 9: fundamentally saying, if the Iranians transform how they interact with
53:49
Speaker 9: the world, we will transform how the world economy interacts
53:52
Speaker 9: with Iran. But if they don't do any of that stuff,
53:54
Speaker 9: they don't get any of these benefits. So I think
53:57
Speaker 9: all the Democrats who are saying, well, the Iranians get
54:00
Speaker 9: all these things, they don't get anything unless the total
54:04
Speaker 9: and there's been a complete transformation of how our interacts
54:07
Speaker 9: with the world. That would be a huge win for America.
54:09
Speaker 9: And at Jesse's point, if they don't do any of
54:11
Speaker 9: these things, we don't give them anything. They don't receive anything.
54:15
Speaker 9: Their nuclear program is still destroyed, their military is still destroyed,
54:18
Speaker 9: their missile program, an industrial base is still destroyed. We
54:22
Speaker 9: fundamentally have transformed the Middle East. Whether they comply or not,
54:25
Speaker 9: this is just icing on the cake, assuming they do
54:27
Speaker 9: all the right things.
54:29
Speaker 2: So JD. Vans again making some excellent points there, and
54:32
Speaker 2: you can go back and this cut initially was about
54:35
Speaker 2: four and a half minutes long, and we only hear
54:38
Speaker 2: her just a little bit of a more than a
54:41
Speaker 2: minute right there. But jd Vance apparently it sounds to
54:45
Speaker 2: me at least like he knows this deal inside and out.
54:47
Speaker 2: And by the way, Reuters has obtained what they claim
54:52
Speaker 2: is the fourteen point draft memorandum of I'm not Reuters,
54:56
Speaker 2: but on Bloomberg News has obtained this and on the
55:00
Speaker 2: next segment, I'm going to go through the points that
55:04
Speaker 2: are in the memo here. So if this is actually
55:07
Speaker 2: the memo that Iran has, I think it reinforces exactly
55:14
Speaker 2: what jd Vance is saying, although there is a lot
55:18
Speaker 2: of details that need to be worked out in the
55:20
Speaker 2: future according to what's in this memo, So we will
55:23
Speaker 2: talk about that coming up. But a great day for
55:25
Speaker 2: jd Vance, I think yesterday. Of course, he has a
55:27
Speaker 2: book out called is it called Communion? I'm going to
55:34
Speaker 2: have to look up the title of the book, but
55:35
Speaker 2: it talks about his journey to become a Catholic and
55:40
Speaker 2: his conversion to Catholicism, and so it's I guess it's
55:44
Speaker 2: personal memoir. But that's the reason he was making the
55:47
Speaker 2: rounds yesterday and appeared on the View. So I give
55:51
Speaker 2: credit to the ladies of the View for having him on.
55:54
Speaker 2: They tried to vector in and attack him, but it
55:58
Speaker 2: did not work. And great credit to JD Vance for
56:02
Speaker 2: taking it a little bit easy on the ladies of
56:05
Speaker 2: the view. He could have lowered the hammer, but he
56:07
Speaker 2: chose not to, and again that's to his credit. I
56:10
Speaker 2: don't know if I could have been as uh as
56:16
Speaker 2: contained as he was, but great job by JD. Six
56:20
Speaker 2: thirty six at fifty five KRC, the talk station crack stained,
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Speaker 2: slippery spots. Your concrete is more than annock station. You
56:40
Speaker 2: get it ship, get in the dog, get some rain.
56:43
Speaker 2: The meantime six forty on this Wednesday morning, Dan Carroll
56:47
Speaker 2: and for Brian Thomas, Jack Atherton and the Big Picture
56:51
Speaker 2: coming up the top of the hour. So we're all
56:53
Speaker 2: looking forward to that. So Bloomberg News says it has
56:57
Speaker 2: a copy of the memorandum of untanding. It's amazing to me, Joe. Look,
57:03
Speaker 2: these memorandums of understanding happen all the time, but it's
57:07
Speaker 2: amazing to me how many people in the media acted
57:10
Speaker 2: as if they've never heard of a memorandum of understanding
57:14
Speaker 2: before you did you get any of that from the
57:16
Speaker 2: news coverage, Joe, that they they're acting like, well, what
57:20
Speaker 2: is this memorandum? It happens all the time. I mean,
57:28
Speaker 2: this is just look, look, we're going to negotiate for
57:31
Speaker 2: sixty days, and this is the framework under which we're
57:34
Speaker 2: going to negotiate. That's all this is. This is not
57:37
Speaker 2: a finalized deal, but this is how things are going
57:41
Speaker 2: to move forward under this framework. And they're going to
57:44
Speaker 2: sign this deal on Friday, and then then you know,
57:49
Speaker 2: the hard work, the heavy lifting of the negotiations continues
57:53
Speaker 2: under these provisions. So this is Bloomberg News. I put
57:56
Speaker 2: this out yesterday and they claim they have seen the
58:00
Speaker 2: random of understanding. And Number one, the Islamic Republic of
58:04
Speaker 2: Iran and the United States, together with their allies in
58:07
Speaker 2: the current war, declare upon the signing of this memorandum
58:11
Speaker 2: and immediate and permanent end to the war on off
58:13
Speaker 2: fronts including Lebanon, and undertake that from now on they
58:17
Speaker 2: will not launch any hostile actions against each other and
58:21
Speaker 2: will refrain from the threat of use of force against
58:23
Speaker 2: each other. So the final agreement will confirm the provisions
58:27
Speaker 2: of this article. Number two, the Islamic Republic of Iran
58:31
Speaker 2: the United States undertake to respect each other's sovereignty and
58:34
Speaker 2: territory integrity, and refrain from interfering in each other's internal affairs.
58:41
Speaker 2: Number three, the Islamic Republic of Iran, the United States
58:44
Speaker 2: undertake to negotiate and reach a final agreement within a
58:47
Speaker 2: maximum period of sixty days, extendable by mutual consent. Number four.
58:53
Speaker 2: Immediately upon signing this Memorandum of Understanding, the United States
58:58
Speaker 2: lift the naval blockade and prevent any interference or obstruction
59:02
Speaker 2: against the Islamic Republic of Iran, and restore traffic within
59:06
Speaker 2: a maximum of thirty days to its full capacity. The
59:11
Speaker 2: traffic of ships shall be proportional to the pre war
59:14
Speaker 2: volume of traffic on the part of the Islamic Republic
59:18
Speaker 2: of Iran. The United States also takes to withdraw its
59:22
Speaker 2: forces from the surrounding areas within thirty days after the
59:27
Speaker 2: final agreement. So read what that says, er look at
59:33
Speaker 2: what it says. The United States undertakes to withdraw its
59:37
Speaker 2: forces from the surrounding areas within thirty days until after
59:42
Speaker 2: the final agreement. So American forces will remain in the
59:46
Speaker 2: area until the final agreement is signed, sealed, and delivered.
59:52
Speaker 2: Upon signing the MoU the Islamic Republic of Iran will
59:56
Speaker 2: immediately take steps to ensure that the movement of merchant
59:58
Speaker 2: ships from the Persian Gulf to the Sea of Aman
1:00:02
Speaker 2: and vice versa is resumed within thirty days to pre
1:00:06
Speaker 2: war volume, taking into account the need for the removal
1:00:10
Speaker 2: of technical obstacles and the neutralization of minds by Iran.
1:00:17
Speaker 2: So that is the Strait of Hormuz opening again. The
1:00:22
Speaker 2: United States undertakes together with its regional partners to create
1:00:26
Speaker 2: a comprehensive plan agreed upon by both parties for the
1:00:30
Speaker 2: rehabilitation and economic development to the Islamic Republic of Iran.
1:00:35
Speaker 2: So there's been a ton of damage to the infrastructure,
1:00:38
Speaker 2: there's been a ton of damage to the military capabilities,
1:00:44
Speaker 2: there's been a ton of damage to their industrial capabilities,
1:00:49
Speaker 2: and all the rest of that. So they're talking about
1:00:52
Speaker 2: a three hundred billion dollar plan with their partners in
1:00:57
Speaker 2: the region. So as JD you just heard JD Events
1:01:00
Speaker 2: talk about. And this goes back to the Abraham Accords
1:01:06
Speaker 2: in which and which under the there can be regional
1:01:10
Speaker 2: cooperation in that area. And so if this comes to pass,
1:01:15
Speaker 2: I think this is going to be a tremendous thing.
1:01:18
Speaker 2: And I heard I think believe it was Kat MacFarland
1:01:22
Speaker 2: providing some analysis on this last night. And if you
1:01:26
Speaker 2: get if you get involvement from other nations in that
1:01:31
Speaker 2: region in Iran, they are going to be very highly
1:01:37
Speaker 2: interested in seeing to it that Iran lives up to
1:01:41
Speaker 2: its end of the deal that they signed with the
1:01:44
Speaker 2: United States. And so that creates a natural, natural enforcement
1:01:49
Speaker 2: mechanism that that was not there before. And so this
1:01:55
Speaker 2: could lead to long term changes within the region and
1:02:00
Speaker 2: that could be a hugely beneficial part of this deal. Again,
1:02:07
Speaker 2: if it gets done within sixty days, we shall see
1:02:10
Speaker 2: six forty five fifty five KRCV talk station honoring life
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Speaker 2: for Brian Thomas. Brian Thomas back tomorrow. Continuing on the
1:02:31
Speaker 2: fourteen point memo that is the framework for negotiations for
1:02:37
Speaker 2: the next sixty days between the United States and Iran.
1:02:41
Speaker 2: Point number seven, the United States commits to ending on
1:02:44
Speaker 2: a schedule to be agreed upon as part of the
1:02:47
Speaker 2: final agreement, all types of sanctions currently facing the Islamic
1:02:52
Speaker 2: Republic of Iran, including resolutions of the United United Nations
1:02:57
Speaker 2: Security Council and Board of Governor of the International Atomic
1:03:04
Speaker 2: Energy Agency, and all unilateral US sanctions, both primary and secondary.
1:03:11
Speaker 2: So that talks about the sanctions coming to an end.
1:03:16
Speaker 2: The Islamic Republic of Iran reiterates it will never produce
1:03:20
Speaker 2: nuclear weapons. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United
1:03:25
Speaker 2: States have agreed that the fate of enriched material and
1:03:29
Speaker 2: the fate of all other mutually agreed nuclear related issues,
1:03:33
Speaker 2: including Iran's nuclear needs, will be adequately addressed in the
1:03:39
Speaker 2: final agreement. The final agreement will confirm the provisions of
1:03:42
Speaker 2: this article. So what did I say at the beginning.
1:03:46
Speaker 2: There's a lot of heavy lifting that needs to be done.
1:03:49
Speaker 2: This is only the framework under which these negotiations are
1:03:53
Speaker 2: going to proceed. Let's see. Let's see point number nine.
1:04:02
Speaker 2: The Islamic Republic of Iran in the United States agree that,
1:04:06
Speaker 2: pending a final agreement, they will maintain the status quo.
1:04:10
Speaker 2: Iran will maintain the status quo of its nuclear program.
1:04:14
Speaker 2: So what does that mean? By all indications, their nuclear
1:04:18
Speaker 2: program has been decimated is in very bad shape right now.
1:04:23
Speaker 2: They are not able to produce any nuclear weapons or
1:04:26
Speaker 2: enriched material. So if that is the current status quo
1:04:33
Speaker 2: of the nuclear program, it is not going to progress
1:04:36
Speaker 2: from this point, which would mean that they are not
1:04:39
Speaker 2: able to produce a nuclear weapon. Again. I think that
1:04:43
Speaker 2: is going to be some very tricky negotiating, some very
1:04:47
Speaker 2: rough waters right there, but we will see what happens
1:04:49
Speaker 2: over the next sixty days. The United States undertakes immediately
1:04:54
Speaker 2: that after the signing of the memorandum and until the
1:04:58
Speaker 2: date of the lifting of sanctions, United States Treasury Department
1:05:01
Speaker 2: will issue waivers for exports of Iranian crewd oil, petrochemical
1:05:05
Speaker 2: products and they're derivatives, and all related services including banking, insurance,
1:05:11
Speaker 2: transportation in the like. So this is obviously a benefit
1:05:15
Speaker 2: to Iran to get its economy up and running again,
1:05:19
Speaker 2: which of course has been decimated. Things are not good
1:05:23
Speaker 2: economically speaking in Iran right now. And part of the
1:05:27
Speaker 2: way you get a deal done like this is to say, look,
1:05:30
Speaker 2: here's a chance to at least economically to get back
1:05:33
Speaker 2: on your feet. So that's got to be part of
1:05:36
Speaker 2: the deal. Point number eleven, the United States undertakes that
1:05:40
Speaker 2: in light of the progress of negotiations towards a final agreement,
1:05:45
Speaker 2: frozen are restricted funds and assets of Iran will be
1:05:49
Speaker 2: released and made fully available. And this is the point
1:05:52
Speaker 2: that I guess Jessica Tarlov was trying to say, Well,
1:05:58
Speaker 2: we're just going to give them a bunch of money.
1:06:01
Speaker 2: We're going to ship a bunch of money over there. Well,
1:06:04
Speaker 2: these are Iranian assets that have been frozen or restricted
1:06:09
Speaker 2: and if they again, like JD Van said, this is
1:06:13
Speaker 2: going to be performance based. Look, there's a lot of
1:06:15
Speaker 2: there's a lot of promises being laid out here, and
1:06:21
Speaker 2: this is this is a key moment for Trump and
1:06:25
Speaker 2: his administration. They cannot come out and make promises like
1:06:30
Speaker 2: this and talk about how things are going to be beneficial,
1:06:35
Speaker 2: mutually beneficial to the United States, to Iran, to the Midiast, reason,
1:06:40
Speaker 2: to Israel, that all these things are going to be beneficial,
1:06:45
Speaker 2: and then not get it done. So Trump is, in
1:06:49
Speaker 2: my estimation, putting out a lot of political capital on this.
1:06:54
Speaker 2: He is really sticking his neck out, I think, letting
1:06:59
Speaker 2: us all know that this deal is going to get
1:07:01
Speaker 2: done and saying that it's going to get done and
1:07:04
Speaker 2: it's going to in the end be something that has
1:07:08
Speaker 2: staying power and something that is going to lead to
1:07:13
Speaker 2: a more stable situation in the Middle East. That happens,
1:07:18
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be great. If it doesn't happen,
1:07:21
Speaker 2: then politically the fallout is going to be disastrous. So
1:07:28
Speaker 2: I'm not ready to throw in the towel yet, But
1:07:30
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a there's a lot being laid out
1:07:32
Speaker 2: on the line right here, and it's it's it's gonna
1:07:38
Speaker 2: it's a it's a high wire act and we will
1:07:41
Speaker 2: see what happens. So uh again, that's the the fourteen
1:07:45
Speaker 2: point memo. I haven't seen anything from the Trump administration
1:07:49
Speaker 2: saying this is fake news or false or not accurate.
1:07:53
Speaker 2: But I think there there's a lot to a lot
1:07:56
Speaker 2: to look at and a lot to work with in
1:07:58
Speaker 2: that memo that could be mutually beneficial. Six fifty five.
1:08:02
Speaker 2: We got to get to a break. Jack Atherton on
1:08:04
Speaker 2: the other side, and we'll see what his big picture
1:08:06
Speaker 2: is about. As we roll on till nine o'clock this morning,
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Speaker 2: Dan Carroll for Brian Thomas fifty five KRC the talk station.
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Speaker 2: a memorable day, in part because we get to have
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Speaker 2: our weekly conversation with our old buddy, Jack Athtack. How
1:09:00
Speaker 2: are you this morning.
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Speaker 6: It's great to be back with your old friend. Are
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Speaker 6: you getting excited about Father's Day coming up? Fans the family.
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Speaker 2: Have, Yeah, of a big weekend on Father's Day. I
1:09:11
Speaker 2: think there will be some some grilling to be had,
1:09:14
Speaker 2: and you know, kids running around the house, that sort
1:09:17
Speaker 2: of thing. So I always look forward to Father's Day,
1:09:20
Speaker 2: and I hope you do too.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm all about it.
1:09:33
Speaker 6: If Democrats seem less jubilant than we are about the
1:09:37
Speaker 6: two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of our independence, maybe that's
1:09:42
Speaker 6: because they're founding fathers are not Washington and Jefferson, but
1:09:47
Speaker 6: instead Karl Marx and Jean Jacques Rousseau. We talked about
1:09:52
Speaker 6: last week. We can get back to him. They were
1:09:56
Speaker 6: terrible father's dead in every sense. We all talk about Marx.
1:10:01
Speaker 6: Let's focus on his mentor Rousseau. A century before Karl
1:10:06
Speaker 6: Marx took game at private property in des Capital, Rousseau
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Speaker 6: had already written that the state, the big state, has
1:10:16
Speaker 6: the right to seize all property for the common good.
1:10:20
Speaker 6: While America's founders insisted that God given individual rights, including
1:10:25
Speaker 6: the rights to life, liberty, and property. That's what Jefferson
1:10:29
Speaker 6: wanted to insist on, that they precede government, and that
1:10:33
Speaker 6: legitimate government exists to protect individual rights, which was a
1:10:38
Speaker 6: revolutionary idea in seventeen seventy six. Rousseau and Marx and
1:10:43
Speaker 6: today's social democrats want to scramp all that, at least
1:10:47
Speaker 6: for ordinary folks like you and me. Now for their
1:10:50
Speaker 6: own elites, you remember, or well, all animals are equal,
1:10:55
Speaker 6: but some are more equal than others, including Democrat elites.
1:11:00
Speaker 6: Jean Jacques Rousseau was born in Switzerland. He spent a
1:11:03
Speaker 6: lot of his time in France. He and his mistress
1:11:06
Speaker 6: had five children, put only for a few days. Dan
1:11:11
Speaker 6: Jean Jaques insisted that he could have been a great father,
1:11:14
Speaker 6: just as Marlon Brando could have been a contender, but
1:11:17
Speaker 6: the philosopher explained that working to support a family would
1:11:21
Speaker 6: have cut into his time as a social reformer. So
1:11:25
Speaker 6: Rousseau abandoned his newborn babies, one after another, to an
1:11:30
Speaker 6: orphanage where seventy percent of all children had a life
1:11:34
Speaker 6: expectancy of one year or less. Most survivors at that
1:11:39
Speaker 6: orphanage grew up to be beggars or thieves by Charles Dickens'
1:11:43
Speaker 6: Oliver Twist. Not coincidentally, Karl Marx, a German immigrant in England,
1:11:51
Speaker 6: spent all of his time writing about how to destroy
1:11:54
Speaker 6: the country that had welcomed him. In kind of like
1:11:57
Speaker 6: today's elan Omar. Karl Marx kept his seven children good
1:12:02
Speaker 6: for him, but he let them starve. Only the charity
1:12:07
Speaker 6: of family and friends kept them alive. Like Hillary Clinton,
1:12:10
Speaker 6: Marx believed it takes a village to care for your children.
1:12:15
Speaker 6: Rousseau and later Karl Marx also believed the children of
1:12:18
Speaker 6: all ages, both the youngsters and adults who never become
1:12:22
Speaker 6: responsible adults, everybody has to submit to the collective will
1:12:28
Speaker 6: of the totalitarian state. At some unspecified time, Marx and
1:12:33
Speaker 6: his partner Fridi Engels believed their big state would wither away.
1:12:39
Speaker 6: Thank goodness. Meantime, though from each according to his ability,
1:12:44
Speaker 6: to each according to his needs. The mayor of our
1:12:48
Speaker 6: biggest city, Kami Mamdani adheres to that Marxist creed, and
1:12:52
Speaker 6: it's driving people who can afford to leave out of
1:12:55
Speaker 6: New York by the hundreds of thousands. They're emigrating the
1:12:59
Speaker 6: estates where ability is incentivized, low tax, business friendly, job
1:13:05
Speaker 6: creating states Florida, Texas, Tennessee. And we can only hope
1:13:10
Speaker 6: dan Ohio if we elect a Republican governor Vivek Ramaswami, who,
1:13:16
Speaker 6: unlike today's rhinos, values makers, not takers, not the descendants
1:13:21
Speaker 6: of Jean Jacques Rousseau and Karl Marx. Because socialism ruins character.
1:13:28
Speaker 6: That's my theme almost every week. It keeps adherents in
1:13:32
Speaker 6: a state of arrested adolescence. The state will bring up
1:13:36
Speaker 6: my kids, or better yet, I won't bother to keep
1:13:39
Speaker 6: my kids or even give them to an orphanage. I'll
1:13:42
Speaker 6: just abort them. During this two hundred and fiftieth anniversary
1:13:46
Speaker 6: of America's independence, which we declared just before Jean Jacques
1:13:51
Speaker 6: Rousseau died, let's celebrate the parents, the entrepreneurs, the skilled workers,
1:13:57
Speaker 6: the service members like you, Dan, firefight police. The adults
1:14:02
Speaker 6: who have made this country the greatest in the history
1:14:05
Speaker 6: of the world. The adults who came here seeking opportunity,
1:14:09
Speaker 6: not handouts, much less Minnesota style fraud, who learned a
1:14:14
Speaker 6: new language, learned American history and Civics. They used to
1:14:17
Speaker 6: teach that so they could assimilate, not to surrender their
1:14:21
Speaker 6: religion and cultural backgrounds. Nobody is asking that America's melting
1:14:26
Speaker 6: pot makes us all the richer for being exposed to
1:14:29
Speaker 6: different cultures, but to embrace the American ethos that each
1:14:34
Speaker 6: of us has God given rights, including freedom of religion,
1:14:38
Speaker 6: free speech, and freedom from totalitarian communist government. As we
1:14:44
Speaker 6: honor our founders, Dan for all their flaws, because great
1:14:48
Speaker 6: leaders usually have flaws that are easier to criticize than
1:14:52
Speaker 6: to weigh against their achievements. And yes, I am thinking
1:14:55
Speaker 6: of Donald John Trump as we honor our founders brought
1:14:59
Speaker 6: let's give thanks that the fathers of our country were
1:15:02
Speaker 6: not Jean Jacques Rousseau and Karl Marx, two of the
1:15:06
Speaker 6: worst fathers in history. So what do you say, Dad.
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Speaker 2: Well, Jack, it's amazing how the common thread of what
1:15:16
Speaker 2: these individuals believed. When you talk about Marx, when you
1:15:20
Speaker 2: talk about Rousseau, It's amazing how much of the common
1:15:24
Speaker 2: thread is still prevalent today in much of what you
1:15:27
Speaker 2: hear from the left and from the Democrat Party, the
1:15:31
Speaker 2: idea that there can be this reliance on socialism, that
1:15:36
Speaker 2: there can be this reliance on big government to do
1:15:40
Speaker 2: everything for the individual from womb to tomb. It reminded
1:15:45
Speaker 2: me of the if you remember, when Obama was president,
1:15:49
Speaker 2: they put out this animated cartoon showing how this girl
1:15:54
Speaker 2: is born, and from the moment of her birth, all
1:15:57
Speaker 2: the way through her educational period, all the way through
1:16:00
Speaker 2: through her working life, all the way through her retirement,
1:16:03
Speaker 2: all the way up until her final breath, there was
1:16:06
Speaker 2: government involvement in her life, in every single stage of
1:16:10
Speaker 2: her life. And I think that is the ultimate goal
1:16:14
Speaker 2: of people like Bernie Sanders, of people like AOC of
1:16:18
Speaker 2: people like that who populate the Democrats by and large,
1:16:22
Speaker 2: and much of what we I think Amy Acton is
1:16:27
Speaker 2: thinks along those exact same lines, and we need to
1:16:30
Speaker 2: get away.
1:16:30
Speaker 6: Obama cartoon was called the Life of Julia, Yes, and
1:16:34
Speaker 6: that's what he aspired for everybody. Now for himself, he
1:16:37
Speaker 6: wanted to be able to build the big houses in Hawaii,
1:16:39
Speaker 6: and he wanted the huge library that's now opening up.
1:16:44
Speaker 6: But for all the rest of us, it was enough
1:16:45
Speaker 6: that government gave us crumbs. It's human nature, But there
1:16:50
Speaker 6: are different ways of looking at human nature. Rousseau and Marx,
1:16:54
Speaker 6: but especially Russell, believed, Oh, people are naturally good, they're wonderful.
1:16:58
Speaker 6: Just leave them alone, give them a little bit that
1:17:01
Speaker 6: they need to be able to get by. Other people said, no,
1:17:04
Speaker 6: human nature involves backsliding unless people are challenged to be
1:17:09
Speaker 6: their best, to aspire to something better, to take care
1:17:12
Speaker 6: of others, starting with their children. But as we've said,
1:17:15
Speaker 6: those two guys whore So and Marks didn't want to today.
1:17:20
Speaker 6: Getting back to ilan Omar, who certainly aspires for a
1:17:24
Speaker 6: life of Julia for all of us, again, not for herself.
1:17:28
Speaker 6: She's now a multimillionaire today. Too many illegal immigrants forget
1:17:33
Speaker 6: that they are fleeing from tyranny and are instead they're
1:17:36
Speaker 6: taught as soon as they arrived that America is the
1:17:39
Speaker 6: land of tyranny, and always has been that immigrants, legal
1:17:44
Speaker 6: and especially illegal, are entitled to reparations for America's original
1:17:49
Speaker 6: fundamental sinfulness, and of course America's own people are taught
1:17:53
Speaker 6: this too by schools, left wing media, and especially pop culture. Elections,
1:17:59
Speaker 6: even if they're elections, won't change this. Instead, each of
1:18:03
Speaker 6: us has to offer our children the truth about America.
1:18:08
Speaker 6: One great place to start is to see before it
1:18:11
Speaker 6: leaves theaters, Amesley and I just did Hillsdale College's new
1:18:15
Speaker 6: film called Revolutionary America. It's the story of our rebellion
1:18:20
Speaker 6: against Britain's big government and the fight for individual rights.
1:18:24
Speaker 6: I heartily recommend it.
1:18:26
Speaker 2: Well, that sounds good and Jack will continue the conversation
1:18:29
Speaker 2: right after this on fifty five KRC Station seven nineteen.
1:18:38
Speaker 2: Dan Carroll four Brian Thomas. We continue on now with
1:18:42
Speaker 2: Jack Aveton and the Big Picture and Jack, I always
1:18:45
Speaker 2: find it interesting when you have individuals who want to
1:18:49
Speaker 2: call for the implementation of a socialist style government, of
1:18:53
Speaker 2: a communist style government, that when they call for this
1:18:57
Speaker 2: and they say this is the way to go, the
1:18:59
Speaker 2: people who do that always want to put themselves at
1:19:02
Speaker 2: the top of that food chain and really don't want
1:19:04
Speaker 2: to live under all the accoutrement that comes with a
1:19:10
Speaker 2: socialist or a communist style government. So on one hand,
1:19:14
Speaker 2: it's good enough for the rest of us, but for them,
1:19:17
Speaker 2: you know, they need to be the ones calling the shots,
1:19:19
Speaker 2: and they need to be the ones who benefit in
1:19:22
Speaker 2: a large way from what it provides those at the top.
1:19:28
Speaker 6: My fame, as I said, is that socialism ruins character.
1:19:33
Speaker 6: And that's because the even bigger theme is that power corrupts,
1:19:38
Speaker 6: and absolute power corrupts absolutely even for the people who
1:19:41
Speaker 6: are most idealistic and seek to go into political office,
1:19:46
Speaker 6: they may compromises, they have to build coalitions with the
1:19:49
Speaker 6: best of intentions, they start to give up their ideals
1:19:52
Speaker 6: and eventually they just become power hungry. That's all it is.
1:19:56
Speaker 6: And as far as the rest of us go, you know,
1:19:58
Speaker 6: they'll use us as long as they can. And when
1:20:01
Speaker 6: we get wise to their game and start electing conservatives, populists,
1:20:07
Speaker 6: maga people, what do they do. They have to bring
1:20:10
Speaker 6: in a new population, and of course they try to
1:20:12
Speaker 6: make us feel bad for being worried about that. They say, oh,
1:20:16
Speaker 6: you know, you're a racist if you criticize the fact
1:20:18
Speaker 6: that we're letting in ten million or more people completely unvetted,
1:20:23
Speaker 6: many of them criminals, immediately receiving benefits from the state,
1:20:27
Speaker 6: not like you know, the people who came here generations ago.
1:20:31
Speaker 6: But you can't feel bad about it. You have to
1:20:34
Speaker 6: say no, you know, we have to have an orderly
1:20:36
Speaker 6: process for allowing people the privilege that you and I
1:20:40
Speaker 6: were born with. But we should never forget of being Americans,
1:20:44
Speaker 6: and we can't allow the country to be taken over
1:20:46
Speaker 6: wholesale just so the Democrats socialists can have a new
1:20:50
Speaker 6: voting base.
1:20:52
Speaker 2: You know, Jack, When I saw when I was watching
1:20:55
Speaker 2: the process of Zorhan Mondani in New York City and
1:21:00
Speaker 2: how how he was accepted, how his voting base was
1:21:04
Speaker 2: largely younger Americans, I saw this as a complete failure
1:21:08
Speaker 2: of the educational system that we have in the United States.
1:21:12
Speaker 2: When I was younger, and I'm sure you too, when
1:21:14
Speaker 2: you were in your formative years, we were constantly told
1:21:18
Speaker 2: about why capitalism is so beneficial, what living under at
1:21:25
Speaker 2: that time, the Soviet Union and China was really like
1:21:28
Speaker 2: under the idea of communism, And those things were talked
1:21:32
Speaker 2: about repeatedly as I was growing up, and I came
1:21:36
Speaker 2: out with an understanding of why the United States is
1:21:40
Speaker 2: the greatest country on the face of the planet, why
1:21:42
Speaker 2: capitalism works, why we have the the political system that
1:21:47
Speaker 2: we do. Ideas about freedom of speech, free will, natural law,
1:21:51
Speaker 2: all the rest of that. But I think those types
1:21:55
Speaker 2: of teachings have been largely abandoned, and I don't I
1:21:59
Speaker 2: just don't think that much of the education base that
1:22:03
Speaker 2: we have in this country right now, especially with young
1:22:05
Speaker 2: people coming through the educational system, have a clear understanding
1:22:08
Speaker 2: of that. And that's why ideas like socialism gain the
1:22:12
Speaker 2: popularity that they do.
1:22:14
Speaker 6: Left has been trying to make us feel guilty for
1:22:17
Speaker 6: opposing communism ever since the days of Joe McCarthy. Joe
1:22:21
Speaker 6: McCarthy in the fifties was a creep, there's no doubt
1:22:24
Speaker 6: about it. Should we have been worried about the Soviet Union, absolutely,
1:22:29
Speaker 6: especially after they got atomic weapons. We had to put
1:22:33
Speaker 6: up a fight. We had to be worried about mutually
1:22:35
Speaker 6: assured destruction, just as we have to be worried now
1:22:38
Speaker 6: about Iran. And we should not have felt the least
1:22:42
Speaker 6: bit guilty about opposing communism because we only had to
1:22:45
Speaker 6: look at what Stalin and his successors were doing there,
1:22:48
Speaker 6: and the great achievement, of course of Ronald Reagan was
1:22:51
Speaker 6: bringing down that regime. No, we can't feel guilty. We
1:22:56
Speaker 6: have to be willing to uphold our values the greatest
1:23:00
Speaker 6: in the history of the world. The reason that we
1:23:03
Speaker 6: talk about history every week during this section the session
1:23:07
Speaker 6: that we have is that people have to put that
1:23:11
Speaker 6: into perspective. You only realize what you have when you
1:23:15
Speaker 6: look around the rest of the world now, and especially
1:23:17
Speaker 6: when you look back on history.
1:23:19
Speaker 2: Okay, tell me one more time. The name of the
1:23:21
Speaker 2: movie that you saw that came out from Hillsdale, because
1:23:25
Speaker 2: I'm interested in this now.
1:23:26
Speaker 6: Yeah, this is much more important than listening to me.
1:23:28
Speaker 6: It's called Revolutionary America. It's not a fictional film. It's
1:23:34
Speaker 6: Larry arn the president of Hillsdale, and a bunch of
1:23:37
Speaker 6: other really compelling, wonderful speakers. The thing is beautifully produced,
1:23:42
Speaker 6: and you can only see it at a few theaters,
1:23:45
Speaker 6: I think once a day. At this point, I hope
1:23:47
Speaker 6: they're going to hold it through July fourth. But you know,
1:23:50
Speaker 6: there's another movie that's coming out for July fourth called
1:23:52
Speaker 6: Young Washington. He's my hero. We have a bust of
1:23:56
Speaker 6: him and a painting of him here in the house,
1:23:59
Speaker 6: and yeah, I would see them, both Revolutionary America and
1:24:03
Speaker 6: Young Washington. I haven't seen Young Washington yet, but you
1:24:06
Speaker 6: can't kill that story. It's one of the best.
1:24:08
Speaker 2: Well maybe that'll be what next week's A Big Picture
1:24:11
Speaker 2: is all about. Jack Atherton. Is always so great to
1:24:14
Speaker 2: have your thought provoking commentary, and we'll certainly look forward
1:24:18
Speaker 2: to next week when you join us again for the
1:24:20
Speaker 2: Big Picture with Jack Atherton. Jack, thank you so much.
1:24:23
Speaker 6: Happy Father's Day, Dan and everybody.
1:24:26
Speaker 2: The talk station seven thirty on this Wednesday morning. I
1:24:38
Speaker 2: sent a text message to Ken Kober the other day
1:24:41
Speaker 2: and I said, have you been on fifty five KRC
1:24:43
Speaker 2: to respond to this? I don't. I guess it's not
1:24:50
Speaker 2: a report. They call it a review of racial bias
1:24:54
Speaker 2: in police stops that came out from Campaign zero. I said,
1:24:58
Speaker 2: have you been on fifty five k respond to that?
1:25:00
Speaker 2: And he said no, he has not, So I said, well,
1:25:02
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm doing the show Wednesday and I
1:25:05
Speaker 2: would like to have you on to respond to that.
1:25:07
Speaker 2: So lo and behold, here's Ken Coober, the main man
1:25:10
Speaker 2: at the Cincinnati FOP, and Ken, great to have you
1:25:13
Speaker 2: on this morning. How are you.
1:25:15
Speaker 7: I'm doing good, Dan, Thanks for having me.
1:25:16
Speaker 1: How are you doing?
1:25:16
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for being here. All right, complete
1:25:18
Speaker 2: this sentence. For me, the purpose of a review like
1:25:24
Speaker 2: this is to blank. Fill in the blank, is to
1:25:29
Speaker 2: what's the purpose of a review like this?
1:25:32
Speaker 7: Well, when you have Campaign zero and with their headlines
1:25:35
Speaker 7: are there review the purpose of it is to try
1:25:38
Speaker 7: to stoke flames between the community and the police. And
1:25:41
Speaker 7: that's nothing more. They have no interest in changing anything,
1:25:44
Speaker 7: They have no interest and actually working collaboratively. It's nothing
1:25:47
Speaker 7: more than to try to try to drive a wedge
1:25:50
Speaker 7: between the police and the community.
1:25:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, individuals from Campaign zero apparently spoke to the media
1:25:57
Speaker 2: yesterday or the day before, and what I glean from
1:26:00
Speaker 2: that is that they want to put themselves in a
1:26:04
Speaker 2: position to where they I guess they come in and
1:26:08
Speaker 2: provide solutions for this or offer alternative whatever the case
1:26:12
Speaker 2: may be. But it seems to me that they are
1:26:14
Speaker 2: trying to get themselves in line for a nice contract
1:26:18
Speaker 2: and maybe a nice payday from the City of Cincinnati.
1:26:23
Speaker 7: If you look at the history of the city, it
1:26:26
Speaker 7: doesn't surprise me that that's what they're trying. But I
1:26:28
Speaker 7: do appreciate and the rank and file appreciates that the
1:26:30
Speaker 7: city administration has come out pretty strongly and said listen,
1:26:34
Speaker 7: we don't agree with this. This is flawed, this is wrong.
1:26:37
Speaker 7: We don't need this nonsense in our city.
1:26:39
Speaker 2: Is that refreshing that there doesn't really seem to be
1:26:42
Speaker 2: And I was thinking about this the last couple of days.
1:26:45
Speaker 2: There doesn't really seem to be much of an appetite
1:26:47
Speaker 2: on part of city council and even the city manager
1:26:51
Speaker 2: to bite on this thing and to just sort of
1:26:54
Speaker 2: run wild with this and wave it around and say, oh,
1:26:57
Speaker 2: look we've got problems in the police department. We need
1:27:00
Speaker 2: to do something about that. Doesn't seem like that is
1:27:03
Speaker 2: the angle that at least the majority of council is
1:27:06
Speaker 2: taking on this.
1:27:07
Speaker 7: No, I agree, not only council, but the community as
1:27:10
Speaker 7: a whole. I said, community members reach out to me.
1:27:13
Speaker 7: I've had city council members reach out and say, listen,
1:27:15
Speaker 7: this is nonsense. We don't buy this. We don't have
1:27:18
Speaker 7: these problems in our city, and we're not going to
1:27:20
Speaker 7: just we're not going to just lay down and take this.
1:27:22
Speaker 7: You know, we'll do our own independent investigation and we'll
1:27:26
Speaker 7: see what it shows, which they believe. What I believe
1:27:29
Speaker 7: is it's going to show that the police go out
1:27:31
Speaker 7: and what they do is they look for criminals. They
1:27:34
Speaker 7: don't look for people of any particular race. They look
1:27:36
Speaker 7: for criminals that are committing crime. And if you look
1:27:39
Speaker 7: at the some of the names that they published, eighty
1:27:43
Speaker 7: percent of the quote unquote top ten are either officers
1:27:47
Speaker 7: or supervisors that are in violent crime squads, that are
1:27:50
Speaker 7: in our Crime Gun Intelligence Center, whose sole responsibility is
1:27:54
Speaker 7: to reduce crime in this city. And that's exactly what
1:27:57
Speaker 7: they're doing, regardless of what these folks look like. They're
1:28:00
Speaker 7: taking bad people off the streets. And you have this
1:28:02
Speaker 7: anti police defund the police group that wants to come
1:28:05
Speaker 7: in and try to make some big deal about it.
1:28:07
Speaker 2: Well, I don't think there's any question that this group,
1:28:10
Speaker 2: Campaign zero, comes with an agenda and brings that agenda
1:28:13
Speaker 2: to the table. So when the Hamilton County Public Defender's
1:28:17
Speaker 2: Office requests this group to come in and do this
1:28:20
Speaker 2: review again, what's what's their endgame here? What is the
1:28:25
Speaker 2: benefit to the Public Defender's Office and Campaign zero as
1:28:31
Speaker 2: you see.
1:28:31
Speaker 7: It, Well, the Public Defender's Office has already been trying this.
1:28:35
Speaker 7: They'll bring up officer at work. You know one officer
1:28:39
Speaker 7: in particular who works in Avondale that's eighty nine percent
1:28:41
Speaker 7: African American and you know, they tried to throw this
1:28:44
Speaker 7: during a trial and say, oh, this officer, he's just
1:28:48
Speaker 7: a racist. That's why my client was arrested. It's because
1:28:51
Speaker 7: its officers are racist. But in fact their client was
1:28:54
Speaker 7: arrested because of their criminal behavior. But this is just
1:28:58
Speaker 7: smoking mirrors to try to convince a I'd said, maybe
1:29:01
Speaker 7: there's some doubt that this person wasn't stop legitimately, And
1:29:05
Speaker 7: it's alte nonsense. In the day of body cameras, you know,
1:29:08
Speaker 7: in Parcas, all of these things, it's just nonsense that's
1:29:12
Speaker 7: been trying this. They're trying to destroy the last twenty
1:29:15
Speaker 7: five years of collaboration, and it's the citizens. Thankfully, they're
1:29:21
Speaker 7: just not falling for it. They're seeing it for what
1:29:22
Speaker 7: it is.
1:29:23
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was impressed with the letter that Chief Henny
1:29:26
Speaker 2: put out immediately after this, and he wrote it to
1:29:30
Speaker 2: the men and women who wear the uniform every day,
1:29:33
Speaker 2: and in part he writes, based on the information available
1:29:36
Speaker 2: to me, I believe the mythology employed is flawed and
1:29:39
Speaker 2: the conclusions drawn are misleading and failed to provide important context.
1:29:43
Speaker 2: The city manager shares these concerns and is committed in
1:29:46
Speaker 2: supporting the men and women of the Cincinnati Police Department.
1:29:50
Speaker 2: So with that line in there, the city manager shares
1:29:53
Speaker 2: these concerns. That seems to me that at least from
1:29:57
Speaker 2: the chiefs perspective, and I don't want to put words
1:30:00
Speaker 2: in your mouth, but from your perspective, that that you
1:30:03
Speaker 2: and and the city manager appear to be on the
1:30:05
Speaker 2: same page when you look at this without a doubt.
1:30:09
Speaker 7: Actually had a meeting with the assistant city manager on
1:30:12
Speaker 7: Monday and we discussed this, and you know, he wanted
1:30:16
Speaker 7: to reiterate his full support, the city manager's full support
1:30:19
Speaker 7: for the rank and file, and that they're they're not
1:30:22
Speaker 7: going to just, you know, you'll wash this away. They're
1:30:25
Speaker 7: going to take a look at it, because these allegations
1:30:27
Speaker 7: are serious. However, when you even.
1:30:36
Speaker 2: All right, Joe, I'll tell you what, Let's put Ken
1:30:37
Speaker 2: on hold and we'll let's see if we can reconnect
1:30:40
Speaker 2: with him and maybe get a better connection. We'll get
1:30:42
Speaker 2: to a quick break here and then continue on with
1:30:44
Speaker 2: Ken Kober on the other side. Talkstation seven Carol for
1:30:53
Speaker 2: Brian Thomas. Continue our conversation with Ken Kober, Cincinnati FOP
1:30:57
Speaker 2: and Ken. Your phone was breaking up on that last
1:31:00
Speaker 2: that last segment, but let me ask you to recap
1:31:02
Speaker 2: your thought on that when I talked about you and
1:31:04
Speaker 2: the chief and apparently the city manager all on the
1:31:07
Speaker 2: same page when it comes to the way you're looking
1:31:10
Speaker 2: at this review done by Campaign zero.
1:31:13
Speaker 7: Sure, you know, it's refreshing to see that we're all
1:31:16
Speaker 7: on the same page. But we're taking these allegations seriously,
1:31:20
Speaker 7: but they're they're baseless allegations. That the city's going to
1:31:23
Speaker 7: do an independent review. I mean, we have a wonderful
1:31:26
Speaker 7: crime analyst in our police department that even said that
1:31:30
Speaker 7: this is wrong. It's going to take a look at it,
1:31:33
Speaker 7: and you'll provide some context to what's actually going on
1:31:36
Speaker 7: instead of you know, just you know, insinuating that the
1:31:39
Speaker 7: police are racist and there's a problem in Cincinnati when
1:31:42
Speaker 7: there clearly isn't.
1:31:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if there's anything legitimate to this report,
1:31:47
Speaker 2: the one thing that jumped out at me as I
1:31:50
Speaker 2: read about this was the overall number of stops. And
1:31:54
Speaker 2: if you go back to two thousand and nine, which
1:31:56
Speaker 2: this report did, you're looking at a total of about
1:32:00
Speaker 2: black and white combined of about sixty thousand total stops
1:32:03
Speaker 2: there for the year, maybe sixty five thousand, and then
1:32:07
Speaker 2: you get down to twenty twenty five, and then you've
1:32:10
Speaker 2: got less than less than twenty five thousand stops, so
1:32:15
Speaker 2: the total number of stops, and I guess the proactive
1:32:18
Speaker 2: policing has dropped off significantly from twenty twenty nine to
1:32:22
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. That to me may be a legitimate
1:32:27
Speaker 2: basis for review and ask why we have so many
1:32:32
Speaker 2: fewer stops now in total. And then on the other hand,
1:32:37
Speaker 2: it seems that you have a corresponding number of crime
1:32:42
Speaker 2: related issues that are happening in the city.
1:32:45
Speaker 7: No, no, without a doubt, and I think there's a
1:32:47
Speaker 7: couple of reasons I think that will explain why there's
1:32:51
Speaker 7: been so less police stops. Number one is you look
1:32:56
Speaker 7: at what staffing was in two thousand and nine compared
1:32:58
Speaker 7: to twenty twenty five.
1:33:00
Speaker 1: I mean, we have.
1:33:01
Speaker 7: Consistently been down between one hundred and two hundred officers
1:33:05
Speaker 7: for a long time. From two thousand and nine to
1:33:07
Speaker 7: twenty fifteen, we never hired anybody. So that number one,
1:33:11
Speaker 7: and then you look at okay, well we're short staff.
1:33:13
Speaker 7: We're still one hundred officers short. These these officers are
1:33:16
Speaker 7: going from radio run to radio run to radio run.
1:33:19
Speaker 7: When they actually do get a moment, you know, to
1:33:22
Speaker 7: be able to take take a break, you know, do
1:33:24
Speaker 7: they want to go do proactive work? And I think
1:33:26
Speaker 7: what a lot of them are saying is no, absolutely not.
1:33:29
Speaker 7: I'm getting, you know, drug through the mud for ten
1:33:32
Speaker 7: hours a day and when I do get a break,
1:33:34
Speaker 7: I want to take a break, maybe get a bite
1:33:36
Speaker 7: to eat, use the restroom. But then the other thing
1:33:39
Speaker 7: that you have to look at too is what's going
1:33:41
Speaker 7: on in society villainizing the police. You know, politicians villainizing
1:33:45
Speaker 7: the police. You have these anti police groups. You know,
1:33:47
Speaker 7: officers are only going to take being called a racist
1:33:50
Speaker 7: for so long before they decide, you know what the
1:33:53
Speaker 7: heck with this? This is going to affect retention. It's
1:33:56
Speaker 7: going to affect recruitment. Is those that have twenty five
1:33:59
Speaker 7: years on are just They're just going to walk out
1:34:00
Speaker 7: the door and go, yeah.
1:34:01
Speaker 2: I've had enough.
1:34:02
Speaker 7: I'm not dealing with this nonsense. And then you look
1:34:04
Speaker 7: at the eighteen, eighteen, twenty year old kid that's going
1:34:06
Speaker 7: to go, man, these headlines look terrible, but then they
1:34:10
Speaker 7: see that, oh, well, this is a bunch of nonsense.
1:34:12
Speaker 7: This is just people that hate the police. Is this
1:34:15
Speaker 7: a profession? I want to join, and I think what
1:34:16
Speaker 7: a lot of young people are saying is absolutely.
1:34:18
Speaker 2: Not Yeah, when you put out a report like this,
1:34:23
Speaker 2: it doesn't really I don't think it really serves anyone well,
1:34:27
Speaker 2: especially when you don't have the complete context and look
1:34:31
Speaker 2: at this from a perspective of what is really going on.
1:34:35
Speaker 2: And Chris Smithman was on this radio station on Monday
1:34:39
Speaker 2: and he was talking about this, and he was talking
1:34:41
Speaker 2: about if you look at the communities that are talked
1:34:44
Speaker 2: about in this report, he said, these communities have repeatedly
1:34:48
Speaker 2: come to Cincinnati Council, come to the mayor, come to
1:34:52
Speaker 2: the police department and said, we want more policing in
1:34:56
Speaker 2: our neighborhoods. We want more policing in these areas because
1:35:01
Speaker 2: we don't want to live in crime ridden areas. When
1:35:05
Speaker 2: Chris Mitheman says something like that, does that ring true
1:35:08
Speaker 2: to the experience that you've been.
1:35:11
Speaker 7: Sure? There was a survey that the city just did
1:35:13
Speaker 7: about all city services a couple of months ago, and
1:35:16
Speaker 7: one of the big takeaways is from the police perspective
1:35:19
Speaker 7: is they want more police in their neighborhoods and out
1:35:22
Speaker 7: on walking patrols. So they've made an effort to do that.
1:35:25
Speaker 7: And in response to that, we went from May of twenty
1:35:28
Speaker 7: twenty five, we had like one hundred and twenty walking
1:35:31
Speaker 7: patrols where officers get out, you know, they got some
1:35:33
Speaker 7: spare time, they're on a radio run, they'll go walk
1:35:35
Speaker 7: around the community, engage the community. May of twenty twenty
1:35:38
Speaker 7: six we had eight hundred and fifty six walking patrols.
1:35:42
Speaker 7: That is the direct result of what the community is
1:35:45
Speaker 7: asking this police department to do, which certainly is the
1:35:48
Speaker 7: opposite of what this Campaign zero is is alleging. And
1:35:53
Speaker 7: it's because none of these people are actually from Cincinnati.
1:35:56
Speaker 7: You know, the people in this community have asked for
1:35:58
Speaker 7: a service, and that's exactly what we're going to do.
1:36:01
Speaker 2: None of these people are from the city of Cincinnati.
1:36:04
Speaker 2: How many times, I mean, how many times have we
1:36:06
Speaker 2: seen that in the past, where people come in from
1:36:08
Speaker 2: outside and then seek to tell us how how we
1:36:12
Speaker 2: ought to conduct business here?
1:36:15
Speaker 1: Right?
1:36:15
Speaker 7: And you look at the response from like the Cincinnati NAACP.
1:36:19
Speaker 7: Absolutely I thought it was a fantastic response. It's like, hey,
1:36:22
Speaker 7: these these allegations are serious. The city's going to take
1:36:25
Speaker 7: a look at it. Let's look at it. They didn't
1:36:27
Speaker 7: come out and go, ah, the police are racist. We
1:36:29
Speaker 7: knew it. They took a very very level headed stance
1:36:31
Speaker 7: of this, which shows you exactly the temperature of this
1:36:35
Speaker 7: of the city going on, which is these perceived race
1:36:38
Speaker 7: problems that we have, they're just that they're they're made
1:36:41
Speaker 7: up nonsense. That the city's not falling.
1:36:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, and don't we don't We have layers of oversight
1:36:47
Speaker 2: in place right now to do self policing on this,
1:36:51
Speaker 2: to keep an eye on this sort of thing in
1:36:53
Speaker 2: real time. Are we looking at this kind of stuff
1:36:55
Speaker 2: all the time?
1:36:57
Speaker 7: Well, yeah, I mean you have Irish ROLLI who you know,
1:37:01
Speaker 7: you're controversial or not. She's been hired by the city
1:37:05
Speaker 7: for the collaborative agreement. Do you have the citizens complain
1:37:08
Speaker 7: Authority that is tasked with looking at these things? And
1:37:13
Speaker 7: if they're not coming out saying hey, this is a problem,
1:37:17
Speaker 7: that's very telling of what's going on.
1:37:19
Speaker 2: All right, ken Kber, I know you've got a lot
1:37:21
Speaker 2: going on today. I appreciate the time as always, Keep
1:37:24
Speaker 2: up the great work, my friends, Stay safe out there,
1:37:26
Speaker 2: and all the best to you and all the men
1:37:28
Speaker 2: and women who wear the uniform doing their best to
1:37:31
Speaker 2: keep us safe every day. Thank you so much for
1:37:33
Speaker 2: the time today. I appreciate it.
1:37:35
Speaker 7: Sure, thanks for having me. Dan take here.
1:37:36
Speaker 2: All right, there you go. Ken Cober from the FOP
1:37:39
Speaker 2: and his response to Campaign Zero. I thought I was
1:37:44
Speaker 2: pretty good. Seven forty seven fifty five KRCP talk station
1:37:48
Speaker 2: a U line the the talk station seven fifty one
1:37:59
Speaker 2: on this Wednesday morning, Dan Peril and for Brian Thomas.
1:38:04
Speaker 2: We've got State Representative Adam Byrd coming up the top
1:38:08
Speaker 2: of the hour. Mike de Wine yesterday saying that he
1:38:10
Speaker 2: is no longer in favor of the death penalty. We'll
1:38:13
Speaker 2: ask him about that and a number of other issues happening.
1:38:17
Speaker 2: Campaign zero. Just a quick Google AI for Campaign zero.
1:38:26
Speaker 2: It talks about Campaign zero comprehensive policy platform and research
1:38:32
Speaker 2: based organization that aims to ultimately end police violence. How
1:38:40
Speaker 2: do you ultimately end police violence? Are police? Don't they
1:38:44
Speaker 2: deal with violent criminals all the time. Don't they deal
1:38:48
Speaker 2: with individuals who want to inflict violence on others in
1:38:53
Speaker 2: order to get what they want? Drugs, money, cars, your
1:39:00
Speaker 2: personal belongings, your property. So they want to end police violence.
1:39:09
Speaker 2: And this is the part that I did not know, Joe,
1:39:11
Speaker 2: did you know? According to again, AI, AI claims that
1:39:17
Speaker 2: project or Campaign Zero was created by activists associated with
1:39:22
Speaker 2: the Black Lives Matter movement. Did we know that, Joe?
1:39:26
Speaker 2: You heard that? The core categories are limit use of force,
1:39:33
Speaker 2: restricts when and how officers can use deadly and physical force,
1:39:39
Speaker 2: including banning chokeholds and strangleholds. So again, this is this
1:39:44
Speaker 2: is an anti police agenda driven organization, and I don't
1:39:50
Speaker 2: think there's any question about it. They want to establish
1:39:54
Speaker 2: civilian oversight to independently investigate misconduct. We already and as
1:39:59
Speaker 2: ken Kober talked about, we already have that in place
1:40:02
Speaker 2: here in Cincinnati. Community representation requires police departments to fairly
1:40:08
Speaker 2: represent the communities they serve. I think we already have
1:40:11
Speaker 2: that in place here in Cincinnati. Body cams and transparency
1:40:17
Speaker 2: mandates the use of body worn cameras publicly accessible data
1:40:22
Speaker 2: on police behavior. We already have that in place in Cincinnati.
1:40:28
Speaker 2: So the notion that Campaign zero is going to come
1:40:33
Speaker 2: in here and undoubtedly charge a fee to talk about
1:40:39
Speaker 2: solutions and the way out of this is preposterous. The
1:40:45
Speaker 2: organization consistently analyzes local law enforcement data to find and
1:40:50
Speaker 2: combat racial disparities in policing. So I think it really
1:40:56
Speaker 2: when you look at what they talk about in the
1:41:02
Speaker 2: very beginning of this that this was an organization created
1:41:08
Speaker 2: by activists associated with Black Lives Matter. I think that
1:41:10
Speaker 2: tells you a lot of what you need to know.
1:41:16
Speaker 2: They've got a priority state campaign already underway in California, Illinois, Georgia, Maryland,
1:41:24
Speaker 2: Washington aimed at ending harmful gang enhancement laws that lead
1:41:29
Speaker 2: to disproportionately long and racially targeted prison sense. So if
1:41:35
Speaker 2: you're a member of a gang and you get involved
1:41:38
Speaker 2: in violence as part of a gang, they want sentencing
1:41:42
Speaker 2: to go easy on you. They want to get rid
1:41:45
Speaker 2: of spots, a shot spotter, and it's just again, this
1:41:52
Speaker 2: is an organization that has an agenda, and they've reared
1:41:55
Speaker 2: an ugly head here in Cincinnati. Thankfully, though, as I'm
1:42:00
Speaker 2: mentioned with Ken Kober, it doesn't seem like there is
1:42:02
Speaker 2: much of an appetite to bite from on behalf of
1:42:05
Speaker 2: city council and the city manager's office. So we can
1:42:09
Speaker 2: be thankful for that. Seven fifty five at fifty five
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Speaker 2: KRCV talkstation, we put the app in Happening station fifty
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1:42:34
Speaker 2: June seventeenth, Good morning, glad to have you here. Glad
1:42:37
Speaker 2: to be here, Dan Carroll, and for Brian Thomas. Brian
1:42:39
Speaker 2: Thomas is back tomorrow. Just taking one day off this
1:42:43
Speaker 2: time and always a great when I get to welcome
1:42:46
Speaker 2: in my next guest, state Rep. Adam Bird. And Adam
1:42:50
Speaker 2: Bird has been a little while. How you been, man,
1:42:52
Speaker 2: What you been up to?
1:42:53
Speaker 13: I'm knowing. Well, you know, we had a really active
1:42:56
Speaker 13: and busy week in Columbus last week and we got
1:43:00
Speaker 13: a lot of bills passed and moved on to the
1:43:02
Speaker 13: governor and hopefully for his signing before our summer break.
1:43:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, when when you're out talking to the people you
1:43:10
Speaker 2: work for, do they talk about a lot about Hey,
1:43:15
Speaker 2: you know, you guys need to get some legislation passed.
1:43:18
Speaker 2: We need to we need to see some activity up there.
1:43:21
Speaker 2: To do people bring that up to? Is that? Is
1:43:23
Speaker 2: that a topic of conversation? You don't need to get
1:43:26
Speaker 2: busy up there, get some laws passed.
1:43:30
Speaker 13: Uh, you know, sometimes it's that, damn, But sometimes it's
1:43:33
Speaker 13: the other, you know. Uh, for some they may like
1:43:37
Speaker 13: to see us do a little less, but uh, you
1:43:39
Speaker 13: know it's just uh, you know, we we we got
1:43:42
Speaker 13: a lot done last week. We got done some work
1:43:44
Speaker 13: on Medicaid fraud. We got s j R. Ten, which
1:43:47
Speaker 13: is going to put the issue of Photo I D
1:43:50
Speaker 13: before the Ohio voters and whether to put that in
1:43:53
Speaker 13: the constitution or not. And we we spent some money
1:43:57
Speaker 13: that we found. For some of the money that we found,
1:44:01
Speaker 13: we're spending on homestead exemption credit, which is helping to
1:44:07
Speaker 13: pay the property taxes for you know, people who are
1:44:09
Speaker 13: sixty five and older and make less than forty one thousand.
1:44:12
Speaker 13: So I thought we were very active in a positive
1:44:16
Speaker 13: way for Ohioans last week.
1:44:17
Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about the breaking news from yesterday.
1:44:20
Speaker 2: Mike DeWine comes out talks about how he is now
1:44:22
Speaker 2: opposed to the death penalty once to once Ohio lawmakers
1:44:27
Speaker 2: to abolish the death penalty here in Ohio. Were you
1:44:32
Speaker 2: taken by surprise at all that Mike the Wine would
1:44:34
Speaker 2: come out and in the twilight of his time as
1:44:38
Speaker 2: governor make make an announcement like this.
1:44:43
Speaker 13: Was I surprised? I don't think so, because when you
1:44:46
Speaker 13: see the kinds of the way that this governor has
1:44:49
Speaker 13: continued to not faithfully execute the laws of our state
1:44:54
Speaker 13: on the issue over the last his eight years, I
1:45:00
Speaker 13: don't think anybody would be surprised. And Dan, I'll read
1:45:02
Speaker 13: to you. Article three, section six of the Higher Constitution
1:45:05
Speaker 13: says that the governor shall see that the laws are
1:45:09
Speaker 13: faithfully executed, which means that if he doesn't decide what
1:45:14
Speaker 13: the laws are, the state legislature decides what those laws are,
1:45:18
Speaker 13: and he has to faithfully And by the way, let
1:45:21
Speaker 13: me remind you, Dan, he took an oath of office
1:45:24
Speaker 13: that said he would see that the laws are faithfully executed,
1:45:28
Speaker 13: and so for him to not carry out certain parts
1:45:31
Speaker 13: of the law that he disagrees with, I just that's
1:45:35
Speaker 13: not that's not where we should be. We're a nation
1:45:40
Speaker 13: of law, not a nation of men. And I think
1:45:43
Speaker 13: it's a very dangerous path for a Republican conservative government
1:45:49
Speaker 13: to go down that path. We're used to seeing people
1:45:53
Speaker 13: ignore the law sometimes in Democrat states, but we should
1:45:58
Speaker 13: not be that way as Republicans.
1:46:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ohio's last execution was in July of twenty eighteen,
1:46:03
Speaker 2: So I think it's easy for de Wine to make
1:46:07
Speaker 2: the case, or at least make the statement that he
1:46:11
Speaker 2: doesn't see the death penalty as a deterrent in Ohio.
1:46:15
Speaker 2: But when you don't use the death penalty when you
1:46:17
Speaker 2: have it available to you and you don't use it,
1:46:20
Speaker 2: then I think it's it's easy in a crutch to
1:46:23
Speaker 2: make that case that it doesn't serve as a deterrent.
1:46:28
Speaker 13: Well, I would agree with that. And you know he
1:46:32
Speaker 13: cannot just decide what to enforce and what not to enforce.
1:46:36
Speaker 13: He took an oath of office that said that he
1:46:39
Speaker 13: will see that the laws are faithfully executed. And it
1:46:42
Speaker 13: doesn't matter whether you think it has an effect or not.
1:46:46
Speaker 13: It doesn't matter whether you, as a governor, thinks that
1:46:49
Speaker 13: this is a motivation motivating factor or not. You said
1:46:53
Speaker 13: you would faithfully execute the laws, and you're not doing it.
1:46:57
Speaker 13: And I will remind you I'm from Clermont County and
1:47:00
Speaker 13: you may remember the case man a couple of years
1:47:03
Speaker 13: ago of a father who executed his three young.
1:47:07
Speaker 14: Boys terrible and deserved the death penalty, and the Clermont
1:47:15
Speaker 14: County prosecutor decided not to go for the death penalty
1:47:19
Speaker 14: because he knew that the governor would.
1:47:21
Speaker 13: Not allow it to happen anyway. So answer me this, Dan.
1:47:26
Speaker 13: You know, as as the governor, he's not judge jury,
1:47:31
Speaker 13: he's not the prosecutor, he's not the law enforcement of
1:47:34
Speaker 13: a county or a local government that decides to implement
1:47:38
Speaker 13: capital punishment. This is a local decision made by a
1:47:42
Speaker 13: local judge, a jury, jury of their peers. And if
1:47:46
Speaker 13: they decide that this man who executed his three sons
1:47:50
Speaker 13: in his front yard deserves the death penalty, who is
1:47:53
Speaker 13: he is the governor to stop that? Both of office
1:47:58
Speaker 13: says that he shouldn't anyway.
1:47:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, but isn't it up to the governor to sign
1:48:03
Speaker 2: off on all these executions though, if if they were
1:48:06
Speaker 2: to happen on a regular basi, or if they were
1:48:08
Speaker 2: to happen at all, is that doesn't the governor have
1:48:10
Speaker 2: the final say so on.
1:48:12
Speaker 1: That he does?
1:48:15
Speaker 13: And I just I am very bothered that he would
1:48:19
Speaker 13: decide not to implement that when the law says what
1:48:24
Speaker 13: it says, and and a judge, a jury, a prosecutor,
1:48:29
Speaker 13: and everybody here locally has followed the correct steps to
1:48:34
Speaker 13: give someone the death penalty who deserves it before they're
1:48:37
Speaker 13: horrific act and a governor swoops in parachutes send at
1:48:40
Speaker 13: the last minute and says, no, no, no, we're not
1:48:42
Speaker 13: going to let you do that.
1:48:44
Speaker 2: The fact that the wine has done this now, is
1:48:47
Speaker 2: that going to make this an issue in the governor's race,
1:48:51
Speaker 2: Amy Acton and the vike Ramaswami.
1:48:54
Speaker 13: I think how can it not. I think people want
1:48:58
Speaker 13: to know where they stand on these issues, and I
1:49:00
Speaker 13: think there will be more and more questions on that
1:49:03
Speaker 13: and a variety of issues. And you know what, am
1:49:06
Speaker 13: I a supporter of the A promise farming? Of course
1:49:08
Speaker 13: I am. But I want to know whether he's going
1:49:11
Speaker 13: to faithfully execute the laws of our land or is
1:49:15
Speaker 13: he going to pick and choose which wants to enforce.
1:49:19
Speaker 2: Has he spoken on this issue? I can't. I've seen
1:49:23
Speaker 2: a lot of his speech. I haven't been to a speech,
1:49:25
Speaker 2: but I've seen a lot of his speeches, and I
1:49:27
Speaker 2: do not recall him speaking on the issue of the
1:49:29
Speaker 2: death penalty. But I guess he's going to have to now.
1:49:33
Speaker 13: Yeah, I haven't seen that either, Dan, And you know,
1:49:37
Speaker 13: it's it's something that we deserve to know. And and
1:49:41
Speaker 13: you know this, this goes for a lot of areas
1:49:44
Speaker 13: of the law, including medicaid. You know, this is we
1:49:49
Speaker 13: we've got to make sure that we are protecting the
1:49:51
Speaker 13: Ohio tax payer. And and so if he decides, you know,
1:49:56
Speaker 13: not to not to protect the Ohio taxpayer, through the
1:49:59
Speaker 13: medic CAD system. You know that's a problem too. I mean,
1:50:03
Speaker 13: we we've got to we've got to act in all
1:50:09
Speaker 13: ways the taxpayer when it comes to all of the
1:50:12
Speaker 13: money that it's like forty nine percent of our total
1:50:16
Speaker 13: budget is on medicaid, and we want to make sure
1:50:18
Speaker 13: that people are taking care of but we also want
1:50:22
Speaker 13: to make sure there will be more money to take
1:50:23
Speaker 13: care of people if we're making sure that others are
1:50:27
Speaker 13: not frauding the system.
1:50:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want I want to I want to ask you.
1:50:30
Speaker 2: I've got a couple of questions about the whole Medicaid
1:50:33
Speaker 2: fraud issue, and I definitely, I definitely want to to
1:50:36
Speaker 2: get to that. But as it relates to the upcoming
1:50:40
Speaker 2: election between Acting and the vike Ramaswami, Brian Thomas has
1:50:44
Speaker 2: been making the case repeatedly about and I guess he's
1:50:49
Speaker 2: seeing an increasing number of individuals who are saying they
1:50:53
Speaker 2: are going to choose to stay home and not vote
1:50:58
Speaker 2: in this upcoming election. And I just I just think
1:51:02
Speaker 2: that is a horrible decision on the part of anyone
1:51:06
Speaker 2: who would decide to stay home and not vote in
1:51:09
Speaker 2: the upcoming election.
1:51:13
Speaker 13: Well, that's that's just so damaging to our constitutional republic
1:51:18
Speaker 13: and it's damaging for the state of Ohio. And you
1:51:21
Speaker 13: didn't say this, but but I'm sure what Brian Thomas
1:51:24
Speaker 13: is talking about are typically conservative and or Republican voters
1:51:29
Speaker 13: and when they yeah, so, if they're going to do that,
1:51:32
Speaker 13: it's handing over the keys to liberals to democrats. And
1:51:37
Speaker 13: I mean, can you imagine if if the mayor of
1:51:40
Speaker 13: Cincinnati who has has uh has turned Cincinnati upside down
1:51:46
Speaker 13: in a in a bad way, you allow people like
1:51:49
Speaker 13: that to become governor of our state. I mean that
1:51:51
Speaker 13: that's uh. We cannot let that happen. And when you
1:51:54
Speaker 13: see what's happened in a state like Virginia, where Abigail
1:51:57
Speaker 13: Svansberger campaigned as a acted like she wasn't going to
1:52:02
Speaker 13: do do anything extreme or radical, and then within days
1:52:06
Speaker 13: of entering the office, turns that stayed upside down with
1:52:11
Speaker 13: a variety of laws that have dramatically impacted the life
1:52:16
Speaker 13: of those people. I mean, we can't let that happen
1:52:19
Speaker 13: in Ohio. In and you know that is discouraging to
1:52:23
Speaker 13: hear people say that, But let me remind you, Dan,
1:52:25
Speaker 13: it's only June. We've got a long time and people
1:52:28
Speaker 13: will get energized. People will realize that if we send
1:52:31
Speaker 13: Shared Brown back to Washington, d C. That that's going
1:52:37
Speaker 13: to be terrible for our country. And we need people
1:52:41
Speaker 13: to show up. And yes, we we as Republicans, have
1:52:45
Speaker 13: got to show that people who trust us to faithfully
1:52:51
Speaker 13: execute the laws of our land and to pass conservative laws,
1:52:55
Speaker 13: that we're going to do what we said we were
1:52:57
Speaker 13: going to do.
1:52:57
Speaker 2: All right, Adam Burg say right there, we got to
1:52:59
Speaker 2: get to a quick break and then we'll continue on
1:53:01
Speaker 2: fifty five KRCV talk station our.
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1:53:09
Speaker 2: Fifty five krc the talk station having a conversation with
1:53:15
Speaker 2: State Representative Adam Bird. And Adam Bird, when you're up
1:53:18
Speaker 2: in Columbus and we see the news that broke a
1:53:23
Speaker 2: week or so ago about all the indictments and the
1:53:27
Speaker 2: all the just the massive fraud that has been going
1:53:31
Speaker 2: on as it relates to medicaid medicare here in Ohio,
1:53:35
Speaker 2: is there is there a sense in Columbus that someone
1:53:37
Speaker 2: was asleep at the switch. We that that whatever oversight
1:53:42
Speaker 2: we had in place really wasn't getting the job done
1:53:45
Speaker 2: that allowed this to go on. And the notion that
1:53:48
Speaker 2: we've had the governor come out and say during the
1:53:51
Speaker 2: initial reports about this that that it's racist to target
1:53:56
Speaker 2: a certain community where this may be going on, and
1:53:59
Speaker 2: essentially there was nothing to see here.
1:54:02
Speaker 13: Well, Dan, you asked me, is there a sense that
1:54:06
Speaker 13: someone's sleep at the switch? No, the sense is frustration.
1:54:11
Speaker 13: And let me tell you why there's frustration, because the
1:54:14
Speaker 13: state legislature in twenty nineteen passed a bill that would
1:54:18
Speaker 13: provide better and more oversight to medicaid in Ohio and
1:54:23
Speaker 13: the way our moneys are spent, and the governor vetoed
1:54:27
Speaker 13: that in twenty nineteen. In twenty twenty two, we passed
1:54:31
Speaker 13: another bill that would provide more oversight to the medicaid system.
1:54:37
Speaker 13: The governor vetoed that bill as well, and so a
1:54:41
Speaker 13: year ago, we passed a bill last summer that would
1:54:45
Speaker 13: require that the Director of Medicaid come to the state
1:54:49
Speaker 13: legislature and report on what's going on regarding anti fraud measures.
1:54:55
Speaker 13: To this point, the Director of Medicaid has not complied
1:54:59
Speaker 13: with that law. And so it's it's not that we're asleep.
1:55:03
Speaker 13: We're frustrated. And it's very frustrating when when those kinds
1:55:09
Speaker 13: of things happen and you know again, I point out,
1:55:12
Speaker 13: I'm not against helping people in need with the Medicaid system,
1:55:16
Speaker 13: but there's more money to spend in the system when
1:55:20
Speaker 13: we're keeping fraudsters keeping their hands out of the system.
1:55:25
Speaker 2: I talked with Luke Rosiak, the investigative reporter from the
1:55:29
Speaker 2: Daily Wire who did the major investigative, the really the
1:55:33
Speaker 2: story that broke this thing wide open, and he talked
1:55:37
Speaker 2: about and I think he's testified up in Columbus before
1:55:40
Speaker 2: a committee there in Columbus, and he talked about how
1:55:45
Speaker 2: he and how can it be Adam Bird that he
1:55:48
Speaker 2: was able to walk into an office building that is
1:55:52
Speaker 2: largely abandoned, that is, with the smoke detectors constantly beeping,
1:55:59
Speaker 2: that there are one empty office after another, that at
1:56:03
Speaker 2: one single address there may be ninety or one hundred
1:56:08
Speaker 2: or more home healthcare companies at one single address. And
1:56:13
Speaker 2: you go up to the door and there's nothing more
1:56:15
Speaker 2: than a piece of paper taped to the door that
1:56:18
Speaker 2: has a company name on it. You go in there,
1:56:21
Speaker 2: there's no one there. The offices are empty, there's old
1:56:24
Speaker 2: male that's sitting around. I mean, the place looks like
1:56:29
Speaker 2: it's abandoned. There's no one there, but yet somehow these
1:56:32
Speaker 2: companies are billing millions and millions and millions of dollars
1:56:35
Speaker 2: through the Medicare and medicaid system. How is it that
1:56:38
Speaker 2: something like that And I'm sure people have asked you
1:56:41
Speaker 2: that something like that can exist, And apparently if not
1:56:45
Speaker 2: for investigative reporters like this, that this would still be
1:56:50
Speaker 2: going on unabated.
1:56:53
Speaker 13: Well, how can it happen? Yes, I agree with you.
1:56:57
Speaker 13: The level of frustration is real. It's real with the
1:57:00
Speaker 13: state legislature, it's real with my constituents. And people don't
1:57:05
Speaker 13: want to hear about how the uh that the You
1:57:10
Speaker 13: don't want to hear that the system is being frauded,
1:57:13
Speaker 13: and and and you know, I point out Dan that
1:57:15
Speaker 13: that thank you, Luke, and to others, it would be
1:57:19
Speaker 13: nice if we had more sediment, investigative journalism that would
1:57:24
Speaker 13: attack issues from a fair, unbiased point of view. And
1:57:29
Speaker 13: and instead what we get in Columbus, Dan is that
1:57:33
Speaker 13: legacy media instead want to push back and say, well, Luke,
1:57:37
Speaker 13: he's all right, he's far right, he is you know,
1:57:41
Speaker 13: he's a conspiracy theorist, instead of saying, you know, we
1:57:44
Speaker 13: should check into this ourselves. We don't have a legitimate
1:57:47
Speaker 13: media who's willing to attack issues from a nonpartisan UH
1:57:52
Speaker 13: point of view. And and so I again I point
1:57:55
Speaker 13: out that that as a state legislature, we become frustrated
1:57:58
Speaker 13: because we tried to pass law, and we do pass law,
1:58:02
Speaker 13: and but it's not our job to enforce the law.
1:58:05
Speaker 13: And that's why it's so important that we electavak Ramaswami
1:58:11
Speaker 13: because I do think that he will faithfully execute the
1:58:14
Speaker 13: laws of Ohio and make sure that the system isn't
1:58:17
Speaker 13: being depraveded.
1:58:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we were really short on time here, but
1:58:22
Speaker 2: we had the indictments that came out from the Department
1:58:25
Speaker 2: of Homeland Security, whether in the indictment's World War on
1:58:28
Speaker 2: behalf of the Justice Department and the Attorney General of
1:58:31
Speaker 2: the United States talking about just the huge amount of
1:58:36
Speaker 2: child trafficking that has been going on in Ohio for
1:58:40
Speaker 2: a long long time. How did how did that announcement
1:58:43
Speaker 2: come out and how was that received amongst you and
1:58:47
Speaker 2: your peers up in Columbus.
1:58:50
Speaker 13: Well, I think we've heard, we've heard that that that
1:58:54
Speaker 13: human trafficking is an issue in Ohio just because we
1:58:58
Speaker 13: are the convergence of ICE seventy one I seventy five
1:59:02
Speaker 13: I seventy. We're in the heartland of America, and yes,
1:59:05
Speaker 13: these kinds of things are going to be traveling through
1:59:08
Speaker 13: our state. And we've passed bills on this, and I
1:59:11
Speaker 13: think the governor has supported our efforts in this area
1:59:15
Speaker 13: by signing them into law. But we've got to be
1:59:20
Speaker 13: good enforcers. We're passing law, and now we need the
1:59:25
Speaker 13: enforcement of those laws to happen, and so we'll do
1:59:28
Speaker 13: anything that we can to help in this area. Stile
1:59:31
Speaker 13: trafficking is an abomination and it's horrific and we must stop.
1:59:35
Speaker 2: It, all right, Adam Bird, so many more issues we
1:59:38
Speaker 2: can talk about, but we're up against the clock, my friend.
1:59:40
Speaker 2: I appreciate the time as always. Keep up the great
1:59:44
Speaker 2: work out there in Claremont County and Adams County and
1:59:47
Speaker 2: New Richmond and all the rest of it. Have a
1:59:49
Speaker 2: great Father's Day and we'll talk to you again before
1:59:52
Speaker 2: too long.
1:59:53
Speaker 13: Awesome, thank you so much. Standing to an honor to
1:59:55
Speaker 13: be with you and appreciate the work that you're doing.
1:59:59
Speaker 13: Help to expose and show people the need to have
2:00:03
Speaker 13: conservative leadership in Columbus.
2:00:05
Speaker 2: Adam, thank you so much. Have a great day, my friend,
2:00:07
Speaker 2: and with that we will get to a break eight
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Speaker 2: twenty seven fifty five KRCV Talk station eight thirty On
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Speaker 2: this Wednesday morning, Dan Carroll in for Brian Thomas. Brian
2:00:23
Speaker 2: is back tomorrow. Glad to be here, Glad you are
2:00:26
Speaker 2: here as well, and always glad when I get a
2:00:28
Speaker 2: chance to talk with Corey Bowman, the man who would
2:00:31
Speaker 2: have been mayor should have been mayor, and the man
2:00:33
Speaker 2: I like to call the man in the arena, Corey Bowman.
2:00:35
Speaker 2: How you doing today?
2:00:39
Speaker 3: Hey, good morning, Dan. Great to be on. I'm still
2:00:41
Speaker 3: trying to be in the arena.
2:00:44
Speaker 2: You do what you can, my friend, and you're doing
2:00:47
Speaker 2: You're doing great. How's everything at the church?
2:00:51
Speaker 3: It's going great. We are going to be celebrating our
2:00:53
Speaker 3: Father's Day Sunday this week. We usually give a free
2:00:57
Speaker 3: gift to all fathers coming in. And yes, it's gonna
2:01:00
Speaker 3: be a great It's gonna be a great time.
2:01:02
Speaker 2: That is fantastic. Let me let me get your take
2:01:05
Speaker 2: on the report that came out about racial disparity. I mean,
2:01:11
Speaker 2: and Joe's got Joe put the whole report in front
2:01:13
Speaker 2: of me today and I've got all what forty five
2:01:16
Speaker 2: pages right here and campaign zero that we can live
2:01:21
Speaker 2: in a world beyond policing. What is that when you
2:01:23
Speaker 2: see that, that notion that we can live in a
2:01:26
Speaker 2: world beyond policing, What does that say to you?
2:01:31
Speaker 3: I believe it's just, you know, from my opinion, it
2:01:35
Speaker 3: sounds like something my toddler would say if he didn't
2:01:38
Speaker 3: if you want to play his video games all day.
2:01:43
Speaker 3: You know, I've got an eight year old, a six
2:01:46
Speaker 3: year old, a four year old, and a about one
2:01:48
Speaker 3: year old, and you know they don't like the dad
2:01:52
Speaker 3: policing that happens in the house, But it doesn't matter.
2:01:55
Speaker 3: It's got to happen to create some order in the house.
2:01:58
Speaker 3: So the biggest thing I would probably say about this report,
2:02:02
Speaker 3: we were actually at a roundtable yesterday with Thomas and
2:02:05
Speaker 3: Warren Davidson and several other representatives from public safety, which
2:02:11
Speaker 3: I mean it was people on both sides. We were
2:02:13
Speaker 3: just kind of talking and you know, there's there's a
2:02:16
Speaker 3: lot of different things to consider when it comes of
2:02:19
Speaker 3: public safety, but I think the ultimate thing is you
2:02:22
Speaker 3: got to get criminals off the streets, and you've got
2:02:24
Speaker 3: to support your local policing. Obviously, there's things that need
2:02:28
Speaker 3: to happen to create accountability. That's why we have accrediting.
2:02:33
Speaker 3: When it comes to the police force. The Ohio State
2:02:36
Speaker 3: Public Safety offers a free accrediting to all state law
2:02:40
Speaker 3: enforcement officers or all agencies, and then nationally you've got
2:02:46
Speaker 3: accreditation through KALIA and other organizations as well. This accreditation
2:02:51
Speaker 3: helps keep accountability and transparency a lot of things that
2:02:55
Speaker 3: are included in you know, things that in Cincinnati we
2:02:58
Speaker 3: say like the collaborative and other things that prevent racial
2:03:03
Speaker 3: bias and things that are happening. This organization that came
2:03:07
Speaker 3: in the first thing I did was look at the
2:03:09
Speaker 3: background of it, because if somebody comes in and says, hey,
2:03:12
Speaker 3: this is what's happening, is there going to be political
2:03:15
Speaker 3: motives to it? And when I looked at it, it
2:03:17
Speaker 3: says that they're tied in with Black Lives Matter, which
2:03:20
Speaker 3: we've seen in retrospect that the organizers of this organization
2:03:24
Speaker 3: they've wasted donations on their own million dollar mansions and
2:03:28
Speaker 3: they haven't put the money toward the community that they
2:03:31
Speaker 3: said they represent. And I'll tell you this right now,
2:03:34
Speaker 3: pastoring the inner city. Inner city residents are very frustrated
2:03:38
Speaker 3: with organizations like this. But then also looking at the
2:03:41
Speaker 3: motives of the report, I mean, I would ask you
2:03:44
Speaker 3: if the KKK came out with the report, and that
2:03:49
Speaker 3: report said that all black people are criminals, how much
2:03:53
Speaker 3: credibility would you give that report? And That's what I'm
2:03:56
Speaker 3: seeing right now is there's a lot of bias, and
2:03:58
Speaker 3: if they look for something, they're going to cherry pick
2:04:01
Speaker 3: a lot of things in order to find find whatever
2:04:03
Speaker 3: results they want. I think that ultimately, the police, when
2:04:08
Speaker 3: it comes to a creditation, when it comes to all
2:04:10
Speaker 3: the third party accountability that they already have in place, obviously,
2:04:14
Speaker 3: always look at those situations, Always look at those things
2:04:17
Speaker 3: to make sure that your officers are adhering to that
2:04:19
Speaker 3: and making it better. But I would be very hesitant
2:04:23
Speaker 3: to look at this report and see it as a
2:04:26
Speaker 3: completely unbiased report.
2:04:28
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was talking to Ken Kober about this a
2:04:30
Speaker 2: little while ago, and and he, like I, we're both
2:04:36
Speaker 2: glad to see that. Apparently there doesn't seem much of
2:04:39
Speaker 2: an appetite on behalf of city council to bite on
2:04:43
Speaker 2: this report, to take this and run with it and
2:04:47
Speaker 2: talk about, hey, we need to you know, we need
2:04:49
Speaker 2: to start to have meetings, We got to have reforms,
2:04:51
Speaker 2: we got to start firing people. Nothing like that. Has happened,
2:04:55
Speaker 2: so thankfully, it appears Corey Bowman that that there's not
2:05:00
Speaker 2: an overreaction to this, which I quite frankly find a
2:05:04
Speaker 2: little refreshing that that has that head really has not developed.
2:05:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that that all stems from where
2:05:12
Speaker 3: the report came from. And if you go back to
2:05:15
Speaker 3: the background of this organization, then you kind of realize, hey,
2:05:18
Speaker 3: there's a lot of bias to this. Doesn't mean that
2:05:22
Speaker 3: we don't need to be accountable, doesn't mean that we
2:05:24
Speaker 3: don't need to keep officers accountable toward issues such as this.
2:05:28
Speaker 3: But this report itself, I think it's just falling flat
2:05:31
Speaker 3: because of the background of where it's coming from.
2:05:33
Speaker 2: Very good. I love that response, Corey Bowman, stay right there.
2:05:36
Speaker 2: We got to get to a quick break and we'll
2:05:38
Speaker 2: have more with Corey Bowman, the man in the arena
2:05:41
Speaker 2: on the other side of this. On fifty five KRC,
2:05:43
Speaker 2: the talk station Father's Day Weekend, Dad's shoot Station fifty
2:05:53
Speaker 2: five KRC, the talk station eight forty on this Wednesday morning,
2:05:57
Speaker 2: we are chatting with Corey Bowman, the man who would
2:06:01
Speaker 2: have been mayor, and Corey Bowman, Cincinnati City Council is
2:06:05
Speaker 2: going to take its final vote today on the budget
2:06:07
Speaker 2: that includes two million dollars for the Farmer Music Center. So, uh,
2:06:11
Speaker 2: I guess you're you're glad about that that we're we
2:06:14
Speaker 2: found two million dollars to send to the new music
2:06:18
Speaker 2: venue down there at Coney Island.
2:06:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, just trying to figure out where they found it from.
2:06:23
Speaker 2: Still, you know, there's a lot of drawers down there
2:06:26
Speaker 2: at City Hall and people stuff money in them. You know,
2:06:31
Speaker 2: they look they you know, they they look in a
2:06:34
Speaker 2: dword and say, oh, look at what's in here. They
2:06:35
Speaker 2: found some money. It's amazing how that word.
2:06:39
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:06:40
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously, we ran a race for mayor of
2:06:42
Speaker 3: Cincinnati and one of the biggest things that we had
2:06:44
Speaker 3: to run on was the budget. And you know, I
2:06:48
Speaker 3: I tell people that when it comes to whether it
2:06:50
Speaker 3: be personal finances, business find finances, nonprofit finances, no budget
2:06:55
Speaker 3: is perfect. It's about reworking and making sure that your
2:06:58
Speaker 3: principles and your priorities are first. And you know, am
2:07:03
Speaker 3: I extremely mad that there's a music center going in,
2:07:07
Speaker 3: or that they're considering new stadiums, or they're considering all
2:07:10
Speaker 3: this new improvement to the city. Absolutely not. We love Cincinnati.
2:07:13
Speaker 3: It's our home. But when it comes to this city budget,
2:07:16
Speaker 3: the more that we dived into we realized that the
2:07:19
Speaker 3: principles and the priorities need to be readjusted. What I
2:07:23
Speaker 3: mean by that is that when you look at your
2:07:25
Speaker 3: let's say, your family budget, and you're saying, hey, we
2:07:28
Speaker 3: have the opportunity to go bungee jumping this Saturday, but
2:07:33
Speaker 3: we don't we won't have food on the table for
2:07:35
Speaker 3: the next three days. Well, yeah, it'd be nice to
2:07:38
Speaker 3: go bungee jumping, but the kids need food for the
2:07:41
Speaker 3: next three days. So your priorities is what keeps you
2:07:43
Speaker 3: in line and making sure that you're not spending money
2:07:46
Speaker 3: in areas that you shouldn't before you reach things like
2:07:50
Speaker 3: let's say infrastructure like roads, like when it comes to
2:07:55
Speaker 3: making sure that the money is going to the right places.
2:07:57
Speaker 3: With law enforcement and the fire department, we're still if
2:08:00
Speaker 3: the numbers are still the same, we're at sixty four
2:08:04
Speaker 3: percent of our fire trucks either need replaced or repaired.
2:08:08
Speaker 3: When it comes to a lot of different equipment issues.
2:08:11
Speaker 3: When it comes to our tactical teams with Cincinnati Police,
2:08:15
Speaker 3: we've seen that they get denied for a lot of requests.
2:08:19
Speaker 3: So these are just things that I feel like the
2:08:21
Speaker 3: priorities of the budget need to be there first, and
2:08:24
Speaker 3: I don't believe a lot of people at city Hall
2:08:25
Speaker 3: have those priorities. Their priorities kind of lie in a
2:08:29
Speaker 3: lot of other areas, whether it be with affordable housing
2:08:32
Speaker 3: or whether it be with other things that I think
2:08:35
Speaker 3: that your city services need to kind of be reprioritized.
2:08:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I believe there's about a thirty million dollars
2:08:43
Speaker 2: shortfall that the city has as well, and I don't
2:08:47
Speaker 2: see that really being addressed in a meaningful way here.
2:08:51
Speaker 3: Yeah, You've got a lot of things that from a
2:08:53
Speaker 3: long term perspective, we need to figure out. You know,
2:08:56
Speaker 3: let's look at the pension front, let's look at and
2:08:58
Speaker 3: then also the way that the railroad funds are being spent.
2:09:02
Speaker 3: There's a full never debacle there because the thing is
2:09:05
Speaker 3: that everybody voted under the guise of, hey, we have
2:09:08
Speaker 3: the capacity of using these funds through the trust which
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Speaker 3: they're investing. We get dividends from that, We're going to
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Speaker 3: get payments from the interest on that to be able
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Speaker 3: to spend to fix our roads at a rapid pace.
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Speaker 3: This was never meant to be a shell game to
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Speaker 3: where we use those funds out instead of certain allocated
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Speaker 3: funds for the budget. And then also what we're seeing
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Speaker 3: is that we don't have the capacity to spend it.
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Speaker 3: If you gave city council one hundred and fifty million
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Speaker 3: dollars a day in say Coades, they couldn't do it
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Speaker 3: because they don't have the capacity. They don't have the
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Speaker 3: right contracts in place, they don't have the right relationships
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Speaker 3: in place. If you're loing long term, you've got to
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Speaker 3: set stuff like that up to be able to be
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Speaker 3: ready to take care of your city properly. And that's
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Speaker 3: not what's happening.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it certainly seems that way. Corey Bowman. Tell me
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Speaker 2: again what events you have going on this weekend for
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Speaker 2: Father's Day.
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Speaker 3: Well, we simply just have our Father's Day Sunday, which
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Speaker 3: at ten thirty we start. We're at five oh three
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Speaker 3: Clark Street, right in the shadow of TQL Stadium there,
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Speaker 3: and yeah, we have a gift for fathers and we started,
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Speaker 3: like I said, ten thirty. We go into prayer time
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Speaker 3: and worship and then go into the word. We usually
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Speaker 3: get out about twelve thirty one o'clock and gifts for
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Speaker 3: every father. So we always always base it on the
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Speaker 3: word of God, based on community. You know, the more
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Speaker 3: and more that I dive into politics, the more I
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Speaker 3: realize the foundation of my life of Jesus is more
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Speaker 3: important than ever before. And you know, when you have
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Speaker 3: all these issues, a lot of people just want to
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Speaker 3: blame the government for everything, but you know, the foundation
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Speaker 3: of our hope is a relationship with Jesus Christ. And
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Speaker 3: I would, you know, want to encourage anybody watching that
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Speaker 3: that is something that will dramatically improve your life in
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Speaker 3: every area.
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Speaker 2: Corey Bowman, always great to have you on. Always appreciate
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Speaker 2: your message, and keep up the great work, my friend,
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Speaker 2: and we'll be talking again before too long. Corey Bowman,
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Speaker 2: thank you, Dan, thank you so much for having me
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Speaker 2: all right, Corey Bowman me. It's my way of thinking
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Speaker 2: the man who should have been mayor