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Tech Friday w/ Dave Hatter - Sponsored by Intrust IT - 9/25/2026 · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: The Talk Station. 630 at 55 KRC, The Talk Station. Friday,
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  Speaker 1: that means Dave Hatter, IntrustIT.com. Dave Hatter's company, a business
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  Speaker 1: owned by the employees for all of your computer needs.
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  Speaker 1: You've got the business courier in their corner saying IntrustIT
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  Speaker 1: is the best in the business. So business owners out there,
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  Speaker 1: you've got computers, and Dave doesn't care how small you are,
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  Speaker 1: you will be and are the subject of people trying
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  Speaker 1: to steal your stuff and things and rip you off. Right,
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  Speaker 1: Dave Hatter? Welcome back, my friend. It's always great having
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  Speaker 1: you on the show.
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  Speaker 2: Always good to be here. And sadly, Brian, you are correct.
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  Speaker 1: InterestIT.com sponsors this segment, and God bless them for it.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Mayor of Fort Wright, is that hat you
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  Speaker 1: got on? You don't have flock cameras in your neighborhood,
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  Speaker 1: do you, Dave? Because you don't like them. They're an
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  Speaker 1: intrusion into privacy.
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  Speaker 2: We do not. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: How about the university?
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  Speaker 2: We've not had them. Not going to have them.
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  Speaker 1: Is the University of Kentucky installing artificial intelligence facial scanning
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  Speaker 1: technology any different, really, just in a broader view than
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  Speaker 1: flock cameras?
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  Speaker 2: Not in my opinion, no. With the possible exception, Brian,
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  Speaker 2: of if you go to UK or pick any college,
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  Speaker 2: fill in the blank, you choose to go there.
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  Speaker 1: That's the option.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. As a student, you're choosing to go there. As
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  Speaker 2: an employee, you choose to work there, et cetera. So
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  Speaker 2: in my mind, it's a little different. And also, depending
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  Speaker 2: on how the technology works and who has access to
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  Speaker 2: that data and so forth versus... You're just driving down
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  Speaker 2: the street and you're getting sucked up by all these cameras.
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  Speaker 2: So I think you could potentially make an argument that
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  Speaker 2: it's not as invasive and intrusive as what has been
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  Speaker 2: done with Flock. But yeah, I'm not a fan of
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  Speaker 2: the idea in general. This stuff is abused. It's misused.
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  Speaker 2: There are data and security problems with these things.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, and they try to address that. I saw the
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  Speaker 1: WKYT article that you have over at LinkedIn.com as a
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  Speaker 1: resource material. They pointed out a couple of things. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: much like you have a choice whether or not to
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  Speaker 1: go to UK and face this technology, but they said
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  Speaker 1: it's optional. You sign up for it and you agree
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  Speaker 1: to have your face scanned so AI can let you
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  Speaker 1: in or out of residence buildings. Now, a card, as
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  Speaker 1: everyone knows, can get lost or stolen. Of course, it
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  Speaker 1: can be duplicated and scanned. And that was kind of
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  Speaker 1: the point they were making, why they were embracing this technology.
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  Speaker 1: But you're not forced to use it. But also, and
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  Speaker 1: I wanted you to address this because it sounds good,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't know. In terms of who gets the
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  Speaker 1: data and where it's stored and how it's stored, they
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  Speaker 1: say they don't store it, but they only keep a
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  Speaker 1: digital map of the face, which is ones and zeros.
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  Speaker 1: It's a mathematical layout, so it's not actually a photograph.
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  Speaker 1: In today's technological realities, Dave, is ones and zeros digital
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  Speaker 1: mapping of someone's face really any different than a photograph?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm not a mathematician, Brian, so I'm not sure
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  Speaker 2: I can answer that with the same certainty that the
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  Speaker 2: people who've built this stuff can. But in general, I
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  Speaker 2: would put it this way. A, your photo's probably already
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  Speaker 2: out there somewhere anyway, so I'm less concerned about that. But,
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  Speaker 2: you know, in terms of this isn't just your biometric data,
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  Speaker 2: it's your activity data. You know, if let's just say,
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  Speaker 2: for example, someone wanted to stalk you or something and
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  Speaker 2: they could access this data. And I know this sounds
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  Speaker 2: far fetched to people sometimes. But if you look at
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  Speaker 2: the security of some of these systems that have been
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  Speaker 2: exposed in the recent past, it's terrible. Right. These things
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  Speaker 2: are in general. My issue with so much of this
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  Speaker 2: stuff is as a guy who was a software engineer
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  Speaker 2: for 25 years, software. which is what powers all of
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  Speaker 2: this stuff. Call it AI, call it whatever you want.
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  Speaker 2: At the end of the day, it's still software. And
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  Speaker 2: generally speaking, most software is not designed with privacy and
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  Speaker 2: security in mind. It's designed with things like speed to market,
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  Speaker 2: market share, ease of use, timelines, budgets, and collecting as
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  Speaker 2: much data as possible. And we see how either terrible
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  Speaker 2: security and or misconfiguration which is basically nerd speak for
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  Speaker 2: there were options you could have turned on and did not,
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  Speaker 2: which then led to some kind of security issue. Because
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  Speaker 2: even if I build something that is like the Fortress
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  Speaker 2: of Solitude, if it's not configured correctly, right, if you
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  Speaker 2: leave the front door unlocked, well, what good is it? So,
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  Speaker 2: It's not just the biometric data itself. It's all the
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  Speaker 2: other data these things collect. Again, where does this data go?
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  Speaker 2: Is it only accessible to UK? Is it accessible to
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  Speaker 2: the company that built this stuff? What are they doing
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  Speaker 2: with it? What are their terms of service say? We've
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  Speaker 2: talked about this so many times, Brian. Most of the time,
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  Speaker 2: terms of service is an 80-page confusopoly of mumbo-jumbo that
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  Speaker 2: even if you're an attorney, you may not understand. So
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  Speaker 2: I have those concerns above and beyond the biometrics. But
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  Speaker 2: generally speaking, the way these things work, is yes, they
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  Speaker 2: look at some aspect of your physical form, right? Iris, retina, fingerprint, gait, face,
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  Speaker 2: something like that. And they reduce that down to some
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  Speaker 2: sort of math, through a mathematical algorithm to just data, right?
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  Speaker 2: Measures the distance between your eyes. It measures the height
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  Speaker 2: of your nose. Again, I'm not truly an expert on
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  Speaker 2: the inner workings of that stuff. But I will say this,
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  Speaker 2: you know, depending on how that works, You know, you
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  Speaker 2: can't get a new fingerprint. You can't get a new face.
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  Speaker 2: I wish I could, but I can't. Right. Because I
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  Speaker 2: could like Brad Pitt or something. But, you know, I can't.
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  Speaker 2: I can't do that. So, yeah, I have a lot
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  Speaker 2: of concerns about this. And frankly, I am not a
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  Speaker 2: fan of the Orwellian surveillance state that we seem to
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  Speaker 2: be headed towards. And I'm happy that the people are
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  Speaker 2: starting to question these things. And I just want to
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  Speaker 2: say one last thing because Flock has caught all the news.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Flock is not the only company that's making this. Flock
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  Speaker 2: has sort of become the Kleenex or the Coke of
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  Speaker 2: this space. But there are lots of companies that are
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  Speaker 2: making this kind of technology. And just because someone doesn't
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  Speaker 2: have Flock doesn't mean they don't have something else. So
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad people are questioning this. I do not like
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  Speaker 2: the overall direction. I can tell you that.
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  Speaker 1: At least you still have some measure of control over
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  Speaker 1: it in any jurisdiction. If you want them, you can
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  Speaker 1: get them. If you don't want them, you know. Don't
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  Speaker 1: get them. And if you want to go to UK,
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  Speaker 1: go to UK. If not, you don't have to. 636
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  Speaker 1: right now. Get rid of or actually disconnect your Deep
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  Speaker 1: Talk Station. It's 640 at 55 KRC, Deep Talk Station
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  Speaker 1: over at LinkedIn.com. Search for Dave Hatter. You will find him.
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  Speaker 1: And that's where throughout the week he posts tech-related issues.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, he is InTrustIT's principal. InTrustIT.com for your computer
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  Speaker 1: needs for businesses. This was, well, the headlines enough to be, whoa,
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  Speaker 1: do I even, I don't have an LG television, thank God,
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  Speaker 1: but disconnect your LG television from the internet now, reads
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  Speaker 1: the headline from Apple Insider's Malcolm Owen. Dave, seriously?
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  Speaker 2: Well, so now they've come out and disputed some of
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  Speaker 2: the findings of this initial research. But I'll just say
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  Speaker 2: this and then we'll talk specifically about this. As you know, Brian,
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  Speaker 2: because we've been talking about this now for more than
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  Speaker 2: 10 years, I am not a fan of the Internet
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  Speaker 2: of Things, a.k.a. smart devices, doorbells, thermostats, coffee makers, dryers, cars,
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  Speaker 2: you name it. Everything is, and you can't see my
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  Speaker 2: air quotes here, smart now, right? It's got software inside it.
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  Speaker 2: It's connected to the Internet. In many cases, it has
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  Speaker 2: a microphone and or camera. you know, ostensibly to make
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  Speaker 2: your life better, right? Make things quicker, more convenient, easier
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  Speaker 2: for you.
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  Speaker 1: Right. It comes at a price. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: As I've said to you many times, I understand both
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  Speaker 2: the wow factor of some of this stuff for people
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  Speaker 2: and the fact that in many cases, it does make
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  Speaker 2: your life more convenient, but you have to understand the trade-offs.
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  Speaker 2: And this particular story Nicely illustrates this because what I
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  Speaker 2: often struggle with trying to explain to people why I
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  Speaker 2: don't have any of this stuff, don't use any of
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  Speaker 2: this stuff and don't intend to use any of it,
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  Speaker 2: goes back to what I said in the last segment
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  Speaker 2: that most software is not designed with privacy and security
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  Speaker 2: in mind or to be, it's not favoring you, right?
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  Speaker 2: It's favoring the people that built it. I would remind folks,
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  Speaker 2: if you're buying something that is dirt cheap, that has
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  Speaker 2: all of this capability or possibly free, the people building
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  Speaker 2: this stuff have mortgages. They have to eat. They have cars, right?
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  Speaker 1: You are paying a price. You just don't see it
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  Speaker 1: in the form of dollars. That's the point.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it's surveillance capitalism. I can't remember who coined that term,
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  Speaker 2: but it nicely fits the entire model of the Internet now.
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  Speaker 2: This stuff isn't free. It's being given to you at
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  Speaker 2: no cost. You are paying for it with your data.
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  Speaker 2: You are not the customer. You are the product. That's
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  Speaker 2: the name surveillance capitalism. And increasingly, as the technology advances
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  Speaker 2: and as the technology often, in terms of the hardware, again,
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  Speaker 2: has microphones and cameras. And I'll just point out, you
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  Speaker 2: mentioned LinkedIn. Yes, you can find me there. I share
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  Speaker 2: all this stuff there. I set up a sub stack,
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  Speaker 2: which is basically just like a web hosting platform where
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  Speaker 2: people use it to publish articles and so forth. And
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  Speaker 2: as these kinds of stories like this LG story, which
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  Speaker 2: I'll get back to now, come out, I set up
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  Speaker 2: a page basically explaining why the Internet of Things is
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  Speaker 2: risky for you. If you're working from home, for example, right,
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  Speaker 2: and you're connecting to your corporate environment, whatever that might
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  Speaker 2: be from home. And you have these kind of devices.
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  Speaker 2: They are potentially exposing your corporate devices and capturing sensitive
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  Speaker 2: data that, you know, whether you own the business or
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  Speaker 2: you're just an employee, may not be beneficial to that organization.
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  Speaker 2: There's so much risk from this stuff because, let's be real, Brian,
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  Speaker 2: much of it, if not most of it, is coming
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  Speaker 2: from China. It's full of software. I just posted a
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  Speaker 2: story the other day. I know we only have time
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  Speaker 2: for today. Maybe we hit it next week. How these
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  Speaker 2: consumer-grade Wi-Fi routers coming from China, they're finding actual software
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  Speaker 2: backdoors in them that would allow a remote attacker to
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  Speaker 2: take control of it.
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  Speaker 1: Right. And those things are … ubiquitous. They are literally everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: But pivoting over, so are LG televisions. What's the risk
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  Speaker 1: here with LG? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So basically, you know, LG has claimed that it's not
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  Speaker 2: doing a lot of the stuff this researcher said, which
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  Speaker 2: basically it's listening to you. And even if you disconnected
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  Speaker 2: from the Internet, it's storing transcripts and will upload them later.
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  Speaker 2: They say, you know, automatic content recognition, all these new
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  Speaker 2: TVs have this. And it's another reason why I don't
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  Speaker 2: like the Internet of Things. In many cases, you have
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  Speaker 2: to opt out. You have to know some feature that
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  Speaker 2: is potentially not beneficial to you is turned on and
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  Speaker 2: you have to go in and figure out how to
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  Speaker 2: turn it out. Often they usually make that difficult. Automatic
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  Speaker 2: content recognition basically is– and nearly every one of these
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  Speaker 2: TVs does it. Well, yeah, that's the microphone capability.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: It's taking a picture of everything you watch every so
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  Speaker 2: often and sending it off somewhere. So bottom line to
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  Speaker 2: save time is whether you have an LG TV or not,
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  Speaker 2: whether you believe what they say versus these researchers– and
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  Speaker 2: I encourage you, go look this up. If their TVs
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  Speaker 2: are really doing what they said, I find it completely egregious.
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  Speaker 2: I can tell you that at the city building, we
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  Speaker 2: have eliminated all LG TVs because of this. But that said,
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  Speaker 2: do your own research. Figure out how to turn these
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  Speaker 2: features off on whatever TV you have. Turn off automatic
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  Speaker 2: content recognition. Turn off voice recognition. Turn this stuff off. While, again,
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  Speaker 2: it may be cool, it is not beneficial to you
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  Speaker 2: unless and until we have a national privacy law or
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  Speaker 2: until consumers finally say enough is enough of this. You're
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  Speaker 2: going to continue to see these kinds of things and
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  Speaker 2: these kind of problems. Frankly, the less of the stuff
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  Speaker 2: you have, the better. Go see what LG said. Again,
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  Speaker 2: I can only tell you what has been alleged. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the less of this stuff you have, the better.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's alleged, but you know, because it's been well documented,
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  Speaker 1: this kind of thing actually does happen. Whether or not
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  Speaker 1: it happens all the time with LG, certainly the possibility
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  Speaker 1: exists because the technology is built into it. Unplug it.
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  Speaker 1: Good advice from Dave Hatter. Don't go away. Next, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to find out exactly who is tracking you. Apparently,
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  Speaker 1: there's a new service out there. The Talk Station. 650-55KRC,
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  Speaker 1: The Talk Station. Businesses, remember, intrustit.com for your computer-related needs.
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  Speaker 1: Dave Hatterton and the team will take care of you,
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  Speaker 1: as they have been for years and years. Pivoting over,
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  Speaker 1: who is tracking us, Dave, and how do we find out?
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  Speaker 2: The better question probably, Brian, especially in light of the
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  Speaker 2: last two segments, yes. Who isn't tracking you?
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  Speaker 1: No, it's so sad.
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  Speaker 2: Well, again, surveillance capitalism powers so much of what we
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  Speaker 2: do today. This stuff that's free, these apps you download
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  Speaker 2: to your phone or your computer for free, these Internet
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  Speaker 2: of Things devices, they're not free, right? You're paying with
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  Speaker 2: your data. As I've said to you so many times,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that is necessarily nefarious. But what I
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  Speaker 2: am saying is that is the trade-off you're making to
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  Speaker 2: use things at no cost to you. It's not free.
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  Speaker 2: There's no financial cost to you today because they're collecting
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  Speaker 2: all your data. Brian Krebs is a fairly well-known security expert.
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  Speaker 2: He's been around for a while. He's got a website
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  Speaker 2: called Krebs on Security where he delves into a lot
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  Speaker 2: of the sort of stuff you and I talk about
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  Speaker 2: on a regular basis. So he's a good source for
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  Speaker 2: this sort of thing. So if you're Interested in the
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  Speaker 2: sort of stuff you and I are talking about all
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  Speaker 2: the time. That's a good site. Again, it's just Krebs
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  Speaker 2: on security. He's easy to find. So he has this article,
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  Speaker 2: who's tracking you use this new service to find out.
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  Speaker 2: And I'll just read from his article, powerful and free
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  Speaker 2: new service called decrypt ads, scrapes and correlates ad tech data.
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  Speaker 2: It makes it simple to quickly learn a great deal
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  Speaker 2: about the entities that are tracking you. So to give
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  Speaker 2: you an idea, and he gets into this, but did
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  Speaker 2: we talk about the, it was a wired article. where
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  Speaker 2: the reporter did a story on he requested his data
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  Speaker 2: from the McDonald's app. Did we talk about that at all?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm hard-pressed to remember, Dave Hatter. It sounds something
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  Speaker 1: like we have talked about or that maybe I stumbled
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  Speaker 1: upon elsewhere, but I can't remember specifically if the listeners
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  Speaker 1: heard that.
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  Speaker 2: I'll send it to you. Maybe we get to it
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  Speaker 2: at some future point because it to me, it really
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  Speaker 2: points out the sort of stuff we're talking about here.
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  Speaker 2: But in really interesting and in my mind, disturbing details.
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  Speaker 2: So this reporter has the McDonald's app. He goes to McDonald's.
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  Speaker 2: He's a McDonald's fan. People have apps because, of course,
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  Speaker 2: you get loyalty points and such. Right now, I get it.
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  Speaker 2: And at least there's some direct financial benefit to you
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  Speaker 2: of letting them track you at this level. But he
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  Speaker 2: asked for his data directly. 515, 515, 515 pages of
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  Speaker 2: data on this guy, Brian. Now think how often you'd
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  Speaker 2: have to eat at McDonald's to generate 515 pages of
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  Speaker 2: stuff unless they're collecting all kinds of insane stuff about
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  Speaker 2: you that you probably did not realize.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting since you mentioned that because, of course, that will
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  Speaker 1: be an indicator maybe you should quit eating the processed
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  Speaker 1: fast food at McDonald's given that George Brenneman's coming up
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  Speaker 1: to talk about health in the next hour.
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  Speaker 2: Warning sign.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe you guys should dig into that. But my point
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  Speaker 2: is they're collecting an enormous amount of data. That's where
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  Speaker 2: a site like Decrypt Ads that he's talking about here
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  Speaker 2: will give you some insight into this. Now, this is
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  Speaker 2: a little bit different what they're shooting for here. They're
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  Speaker 2: trying to get at when you visit a website, how
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  Speaker 2: many trackers and so forth are built into it that
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  Speaker 2: are collecting data from your device, your phone or your
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  Speaker 2: computer when you hit that website through third party trackers
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  Speaker 2: that are being sent elsewhere. So in this case, you
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  Speaker 2: can see a screenshot, it's showing ESPN, okay? So the
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  Speaker 2: idea is you've gone to ESPN because you care about sports, right?
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  Speaker 2: But then it shows you all of the different tracking
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  Speaker 2: and so forth that's happening behind the scenes while you're
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  Speaker 2: reading a story about the Reds or the Bengals.
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  Speaker 1: Is that cookies that they're looking at?
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  Speaker 2: It's cookies, it's browser fingerprinting, you know, cookies, just as
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  Speaker 2: a reminder for folks, a cookie is nothing more than
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  Speaker 2: a text file. Like it's downloaded to your device So
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  Speaker 2: they can track you. Now, that's usually not necessarily nefarious.
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  Speaker 2: It may be that's the way you stay logged into
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  Speaker 2: the site. You don't have to keep any username and password.
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  Speaker 2: But as people have gotten wise to blocking cookies and
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  Speaker 2: third party tracking cookies and so forth, they're using things
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  Speaker 2: like browser fingerprinting, which are reading the settings off your computer.
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  Speaker 2: So they don't even need cookies. But real quick for
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  Speaker 2: a round of time, a search and decrypt ads for
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  Speaker 2: hugely popular sports network ESPN reveals. Wait for it. 143
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  Speaker 2: ad partners and 19 registered data broker domains listed within
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  Speaker 2: the text files that this thing is reading. So there's,
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  Speaker 2: as of when this article was published, 143 different companies
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  Speaker 2: getting information about you because you went to ESPN. And
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: then reminder, data broker are companies, they're companies that do
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  Speaker 2: nothing but buy and sell your data. They're usually behind
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  Speaker 2: the scenes buying and selling this. This is how all
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: this data gets collected. So, you know, This company buys
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  Speaker 2: data from that company, buys data from this company, puts
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: it all together, builds these incredibly granular dossiers about you,
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  Speaker 2: like 515 pages of McDonald's data. So if McDonald's were
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: to sell that data to someone else, that just gets
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  Speaker 2: put in the pool. And that's why there's so much
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  Speaker 2: information out there about you now. Again, just ESPN, according
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  Speaker 2: to this article, 143 partners, 19 data brokers. All right.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's say we delete all of our cookies. How
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  Speaker 1: do we delete the other information they're stealing from us?
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  Speaker 1: Can we?
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  Speaker 2: Not really. There are things you can do. There are
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  Speaker 2: things you can do. A, use a site like this
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: to figure out who's tracking you like this and stop
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: using their sites. You can use browser, web browsers that
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: are more privacy friendly than Google Chrome. You can use
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: things like Brave, Firefox, Safari. I use all three of
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: those to some extent.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Brave, at your recommendation, I've been using Brave for years.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: There are browser plugins like EFF's Privacy Badger. A browser
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: plugin is just software you install in the browser to
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: add functionality to it. EFF is Electronic Frontier Foundation Privacy Badger.
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  Speaker 2: And And by the way, Brian, going back to my Substack.
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  Speaker 2: So I have a page on my Substack that is
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: every time I find these stories about egregious Internet of
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: Things issues, I put it on there. So I have
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: a long list showing you how crazy this stuff is
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: because I get that people get bits and pieces of it.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard to put together. DaveHatter.Substack.com. Look for my IoT article.
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  Speaker 2: And then I have an article out there. that lists
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  Speaker 2: all of the privacy-friendly stuff I use personally in my
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  Speaker 2: daily life as Dave Hatter.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Joe Strecker, I just checked with Joe Strecker. It's
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: all there on 55KRC. com, your Substack link, and, of course,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: all your other links. LinkedIn.com to find Dave, and Joe
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: will take care of the Substack to help those like
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: me who can be internet challenged from time to time.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Dave Hatter, thank you so much for Interest IT sponsoring
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: the segment and all that you do for your clients,
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: and congratulations on business success brought about by you doing
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: wonderful work and keeping us informed every Friday.