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Ex-Illuminati Reveals Plans for Coming Lockdowns & AI Takeover of the World · Man in America Podcast

• 1:31
  Seth Holehouse: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. So have you ever heard of the Illuminati? The word that's whispered and talked about, and maybe you heard about it and you saw the doll dollar bill, the triangles, and everyone's accusing everyone of being part of the Illuminati. And the question is, is it real?
• 1:51
  Is it something that actually exists, or is it some wild conspiracy theory? Well, my guest today, a man by the name of Leo Zagami, was actually part of the Illuminati. He was part of a long bloodline of people, of family that was part of the Illuminati. He ran a lodge, a freemaid, a Masonic lodge in Europe, and he was intimately involved in the plans of this. And it got to a point where he reached a crossroads in life where he decided that he could not go along with that anymore.
• 2:22
  And so he has had to flee his country, leave behind a child. He's now living in America, safer than he was over in Europe, where his life was being threatened. And now he's devoted his life to exposing the plans, the inner workings, the individuals, the goals of the Illuminati. And I have to say, you know, and watch the interview for yourself, make up your mind, but I would say it's a very real thing. Whether you want to laugh at it or not, it's a very real organization, the secret societies, it goes deep.
• 2:56
  So this is going to be an interesting interview. And look this guy, he's written books and books and thousands and thousands of pages, and he's got so much information. So I hope that you can just enter into this and think, this is kind of like getting a lecture from a professor on the inner workings of the Illuminati. He talks quite quite a bit, which is good because he's got so much brilliant information to put out there. So, folks, enjoy this interview with Leo Zagami.
• 3:27
  Leo, it is great to finally have you on the show. Thank you so much for being here today.
• 3:33
  Speaker 2: Always a pleasure to meet somebody who is a fellow info warrior of sorts, who is trying to get the news out about what really matters for mankind. So thanks for having me on Man in America.
• 3:45
  Seth Holehouse: Of course. Of course. I've got a bunch of your books in the library, which we'll be diving into that later in the show. But how about let's let's first just jump into your background. I first discovered you I think I saw you on an Alex Jones interview.
• 4:00
  And, you know, the perspective that you had was so unique. It wasn't just whatever you know, you have, like, the mainstream narrative. I think you have a few variations of, say, the alt right narratives, and you seem completely independent, but also very based in your research and experience. And when I as I looked into you more and found your books, it was like, oh, so you're someone that you could say was part of the Illuminati, right? You refer yourself as an Illuminati insider that's now obviously defected and come out, which is just highly interesting because not many people could say that.
• 4:32
  So how about we just go to something with a little bit of your background because I think it's a really important background to touch upon.
• 4:40
  Speaker 2: Well, I started my mission in unveiling what was really, for me, the New World Order and my own involvement with it in 02/2006 with the blog in the February that quickly gained recognition from such luminaries as David Hayek, who gave me the opportunity to then bring out also some of my first articles denouncing my involvement. And that, of course, immediately attracted the attention of the authorities. I was living in Norway at the time and I ended up after a couple of years refusing their values. They came actually knocked on my door and they started to threaten me. So it was pretty clear.
• 5:22
  I mean, they were not hiding, they were doing it in my face. And so in the end, I ended up with an accusation of espionage in Norway that was cleared in 2010 because it's within, of course, a NATO environment. So in the end they have to clear it. In any case, my experience comes from my family background. I was born in 1970.
• 5:45
  I'm half Sicilian, half English and Scottish. My mother is related to the Queen Mother and so to the royal family, as well as my father being a Sicilian aristocrat. My grandfather was also a Sicilian politician, a Senate representative first for the Monarchic Party and then later on for the Social Democrats. And he was a Freemason. That is another tradition that both on my father's side as well as my mother's side has been present in my family.
• 6:13
  And not any kind of Freemason because of course when you have your aristocratic background and at times royal, like in my case linked, for example, to King Robert the Bruce and so on, you are linked to a tradition which is transmitted very much from father to son, but at the same time has some formal reunions and knighthoods that then bring you in when you are ready, basically. And I was ready when I joined the military, I was in the Air Force in the Ministry of Defense. And at that point, it was the last year of Operation Gladio, so there was a lot of things to do. I was involved in some of these operations, especially regarding the Ex Yugoslavia. And then after that, after I briefly was in the military because I only went on to simply do what was my civil duty at the time.
• 7:16
  You have to enroll for at least a year. Though with my family connections, it became, of course, quite clear that things were not normal even in that environment for me. But my plan was to work within the music industry. I had already started within the radio at a very early age because my mother was involved with the Vatican media and with Monsignor Mario Pieracci, who is the founder of SAT two thousand, which is the Episcopal conference official TV in Italy. So I started very early within the media and I worked from 10 years old doing, you know, I was actually working with fairy tales for children, doing some voiceovers until I had my own show already when I was 13.
• 8:07
  And later on, I started also studying journalism with my mentor, Dino D'Arcangelo at La Repubblica, which is one of the Italian main newspapers. So I had also that experience. But I was also a very famous and popular DJ and record producer, went around all over the world. I was the first DJ to ever play at the Bolshoi for Vladimir Putin and his entourage. It was, of course, very elusive things to do, mean, and very unusual I guess because in the ball show you usually have a ballet, you don't have a DJ playing.
• 8:43
  But as a DJ I was also involved in the esoteric because my music wasn't really commercial per se. It was more of music connected to the esoteric world, what I was doing behind the scenes. I had been initiated in Freemissio in April 1993 by Prince Liata di Monterielle, who was a family friend. He was the person in charge of the Italian Illuminati of the New World Order. You can check that even on his own Wikipedia.
• 9:14
  So it's not me just making things up, but you can always and that is what I said also before we started the show, I always base my assertion, what they say, on facts rather than speculation because I know that I will be immediately attacked. I'm here in America because I had to flee Italy in 2019, in May 2019, otherwise I would be arrested and my passport would be taken from me because of my activities, in particular with INFO Wars as a Vaticanist for a few years, also my political activity in Italy. I was the president of Italians for Trump. The only organization outside of Italy, and you can check this for yourself on Huffington Post or all the other related publications, the only organization that really made a big effort in the Italian American community since 2015 to bring Donald J. Trump to the candidacy.
• 10:06
  And then after we celebrated with an official celebration in front of the American embassy, in front of the Italian parliament in a prestigious building with the main Italian authorities. And this was also something that created some problems once, of course, we were heading towards the end of the Trump presidency and all his enemies in Italy wanted also my head. So it is a country that unfortunately doesn't give us the first and the second amendment. It doesn't give us the opportunity neither to free in what we say, neither to carry weapons. And so I was literally threatened, my wife was American, I was threatened.
• 10:45
  And so in the end, we had to leave. And I'm now changing, of course, my citizenship and in the hope of avoiding any further persecution by the Italian Republic, which I deem a corrupt republic because it was simply the result after the war of a compromise in 1946 with the American Democrats and the, of course, occupation troops in Europe. But that compromise brought us unfortunately to the European Union, which is a nightmare and a technocratic nightmare that you want to avoid and you don't want to imitate. That's why you should always do the opposite of what goes on in Europe. So I'm glad to be here.
• 11:26
  I'm glad to continue my career as a writer. You can find of course my website, riosagami.com, there filled with articles, but then you have my books, which are also linked there. And my latest book, which is Volume nine, which is the first book which you can actually read without reading the other books because it lives in a dimension of its own. I wanted to make a seven chapter book, self explanatory and also following a path which really reveals to you which is the ultimate goal of this new world disorder, which for at least what I have laid down in the thesis of my books with all my documentation and all my personal experience, as well as being an historian within the Masonic Order. I was a member of the Canobel Masonic Research Centre of what used to be the Deputy Grandmaster of the United Grand Lodge of England, the MacKees of Northampton.
• 12:27
  I was involved with the Ordo Templorientes for a number of years. I was involved as a commander of the Rose Quoi for the British Isles with the Fruhtan in the Serosec Christian Antigua. I was a member of several other civil societies and eventually I was also the grandmaster of the strict emperor of servants in Italy, which aimed to bring back Christianity within free missionary. So this is a little bit summarizing why my work is unusual, why some people at times have problems in accepting this this work and that's why I stick to facts and not speculate in any way possible. Because of course the attacks on my person from the very first moment I came out with the first documents I remember in the February were very and at the same time I was getting the visits of the Secret Service in Norway with the PST threatening me, which eventually led to the fact that I haven't seen my son since 02/2008.
• 13:24
  I have a son that was at the time a year and a half old and I never saw him again. So I had to sacrifice that opportunity to ever see him again to avoid the persecution, of course, of the Norwegian as well. The Scandinavian authorities are well known with what they did, of course, with WikiLeaks, with Assange. They were known to be a little bit on the dodgy side of things. And to give also all the opportunities and importance to the female side rather than the male side when there is any problem with the child.
• 14:01
  But in this case, it was a particular child because my first wife was involved with the Clinton Foundation and those people, of course, don't like me at all. So here in America in 2023, I aim to continue my mission as a writer, as an investigative journalist, for those who are interested in listening to what I have to say. And I continue in one way or another with people like you who call me on their shows or with my own shows which are, of course, censored left, right and center. I mean, I have the 70 channels removed since 2020 on YouTube and the censorship started already ten years ago when they started to remove some of my channels, but also some of my Facebook profiles before anybody even suffered any kind of censorship. Then I guess that my involvement with my friend Alex Jones didn't really help out that much in that.
• 15:02
  Seth Holehouse: Got a quick message for you. So folks, thank goodness inflation is going down. Thank you, Biden. But wait, if inflation is going down, then why are food prices going up, energy prices going up and gas prices going up? Well, because they're lying to us.
• 15:18
  Imagine that. You see right now, the real rate of inflation is closer to 25%, not the 5% the White House wants you to believe. You can see this with your own eyes and your own wallet. What this means is that if you had a hundred thousand dollars in your savings account just one year ago, today, it's only worth about $75,000 in terms of your actual buying power. Your money is losing value by the day.
• 15:45
  If you went back to 1920, and you had a $20 bill or a one ounce gold coin, you could walk into a men's clothing store and buy an entire suit, jacket, shoes, pants, belt, everything. But think about it, what would a $20 bill buy you today? Maybe some socks, but an ounce of gold will still buy you that same suit. And this is why I believe that now more than ever, it's a good time to consider transferring at least a portion of your wealth into physical gold and silver. Real world assets have stood the test of time.
• 16:20
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• 16:45
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• 17:07
  Speaker 2: And now we are, like I said, I think in a turning point in history where my books are laying the foundation for preparing people, preparing people for what is coming because we have only seven years. Two thousand and thirty is the UN agenda, but it's also the greater set agenda. It is the agenda of the Davos Illuminati as well as the people behind them. And when people ask me, Who is behind this Illuminati? Who are the Illuminati really?
• 17:37
  And so when it comes to my new book, for example, I show how the modern Illuminati, Doctor. Nicholas Laus of the Academy of the Illuminati of Giuliano di Bernardo, is writing treaties on transhumanism. I mean, they're not just well versed in alchemy or occult sciences of sorts. They are actually very much in the now when it comes down to their influence in our society. So they are already, you know, about how they're going to work out this AI, the quantum AI computing, which is the ultimate stage that will manifest what I call cyber satan.
• 18:13
  It's very important to understand also the involvement of the Vatican, as well as understanding this information around the Khazarian Jews and all that rubbish because there is the Sabbathian Frankists which are the real heretical movement within Judaism, which has created many problems. So in my book I try to make this clear. And also on top of that, in volume seven, for example, I exposed the occult roots of the greater reset because the great reset doesn't just, you know, it's just not something that comes in the early seventies out of nowhere in Davos with Klaus Schwab coming out of nowhere. I mean, of course, the guy came from a particular family background linked to the Nazi party, also himself as a mentor had Harry Kissinger. Was inspired by the Club of Rome and at the same time he was inspired by the local Illuminati in Switzerland, in Stein, who have their own headquarters there for many years.
• 19:13
  It is a little but very active group. So I made my research and I discovered that in the end he was also linked very much with the Vatican. He had called in the middle of the 70s Bishop Camara, the red bishop, who was involved in this pact of the catacombs at the end of the Second Vatican Council, which was this revolutionary moment that transformed the Catholic church in this progressive nightmare it is today. And so I kind of exposed there the fact of the Catacombs and its link to the great reset, how Kamara arrived in Davos and how he was already at that time known as a communist, and it was a bit of a controversy. But now, you see, they have completely embraced this ideology.
• 19:58
  They have come out of the closet because this ideology is the product and not only, of course brainwashing and operations that go down from the Frankfurt School all the way to us, but it's also the product of the seventeen seventy six Adam Beyshap group, which promoted two things mainly within the order of the Illuminati. Because then you see people when they say Illuminati, you know, I I explained it from volume one of my confessions. For me, Illuminati is a mystery schools that go back thousands of years. It's not only the Illuminati Radha and Bay shop. That will be a little bit limited either.
• 20:35
  And already in this time, they were the Illuminati of Bay shop, the Illuminati of Avignon, the Martinists to photo themselves. So there was a lot of people already photo themselves as Illuminati. So I wanted to explain this network of these mystery schools of the Western Asiatic system mainly, and then of course explaining their contacts with the Middle East, their contacts with the Far East, and how the Sabbathian Frankists and the Jesuits are on the top of this system, which then manifests all the secret society, free mainstream and so on. Mean, the Illuminati themselves, the real Illuminati, and not the Nigerian ones that send you a diploma over the internet or some scammers that pretend to be, you know, this mysterious secret society. They of course manifested with other names because under the name Illuminati in the 1790s they were already disbanded.
• 21:27
  They were disbanded because they were discovered and bays shops have made it very clear. When you get discovered you simply have to change a name and represent yourself under other disguises. That happened very much as I explained in my books, especially in volume nine, I explained how the Shalalafia, which is a German secret society, which is not really secret, it's a society that kind of parades a certain secrecy, does these meetings in this castle all over the world. There are over 12,000 I think and they have 1,000 members only here in The United States. They are of German descent.
• 22:05
  They make this particular kind of retreats a little bit like the Bohemian Grove and the Bohemian Club. In fact, they were the main influences of it together with the Sattbai Group and a lodge which was based in Prague. So they influenced the very birth of the Bohemian club here in The United States and not many people know this link. And the Schaller Rafia was also the one that initiated the car Maria Villegut, who was the guy who designed the SS ring and inspired Himmler to buy the, and of course refurbish and recreate the Castle Of Wesselburg, became this centerpiece of occultism that then was also used by people like Michael Aquino in the early eighties. Michael Aquino, for those who don't know it, of course, the late Michael Aquino was the head of the Temple of Set, as well as being involved in the pastor with the Church of Satan.
• 23:07
  So in my books I try to explain all this. The only book, I guess, this one, the latest one, volume eight, is the one that stands on its own, you can read on its own. But then you have also volume eight, sorry, volume nine stands on its own. But volume eight insisted another book that stands on its own because this is a book about show business and how show business and how Hollywood was literally created as a playground for the Sabbatian Frankist has enormous influence by people like Alistair Crowley. And I go into an historical research that starts from the very early movie of D.
• 23:45
  W. Griffith in North America back in nineteen o nine, nineteen ten when he arrived there in this dirt road that will become Hollywood Boulevard. So it is an historical research that brings a lot of lot of experience, which I had directly because my grandmother used to teach acting, Felicity Mason. She was involved also during the war, that's when she met my grandfather, translating cryptic messages that were of course codified and then had to be uncodified by the receivers between the English prime minister and the American president. That was what my grandmother and basically the office where my grandfather was working in New York.
• 24:33
  It was for intelligence offices of Great Britain. So I was born in this environment, this environment made of people who kind of like, you know, lived between their own, of course, elitarian upbringing and then at the same time had this experience with the arts, which was very strong, especially in the case of my grandmother. But then also when it comes to the arts, I had also my grandfather's sister who was involved in ballet. So they had some attractiveness towards the arts. When it comes to the arts, though, I'm talking with my grandmother, she was a very good friend of Bill Briner, best friend of Rock Hudson.
• 25:23
  She was teaching acting at the Actor's Studio. I'm talking about somebody who was learning the Chekhov method directly from Chekhov, and it's very important with the Stanislansky method. Of course, as you know, enacting is a very important method. So I rebelled to what was really my family background in a way. I could have had probably a much more tranquil life if I just stayed silent about what I saw.
• 25:49
  And I could have, but I didn't want to because I saw the injustice that went with it. And I really think that the people who come from a certain social environment should give more in the terms that I am giving more. Because giving more is not just participating to some donation, some group that does some help charity fund or whatever, you know, like these rich people do. I think that it was important also for me to renounce though, to my connection with my origins. And that was the heavy thing I had to do.
• 26:34
  I had to renounce, I had to argue with part of my family, and I had to renounce to a lot of money also because, you know, I could just be a guy living on a trust fund without having to work one day in my life and not having published books to make a living or anything. And that was something I renounced because I think that at one point in life, you have to decide. You have to decide, and my call wasn't for just being part of this sick system that's been going on for thousands of years. I wanted to pass on to my child, even if I haven't seen him, like I said, for years, but to pass on to my ears a legacy of somebody who had done something to break from the past. You see, for example, part of my family was brought up also in Chile.
• 27:31
  And in Chile, some of the main representatives of the Jesuit order are members of the Lyon family because my middle name is Lyon, which is the family of the Queen Mother. And so two of my cousins became some of the most distinguished representative of the Jesuits. But that really, for me, is something that I came to despise in the end. This part of my family that was just working along with the system. I couldn't just, you know, go along with the system because I feel that the system is bringing us towards the wrong decision and actually is bringing us to embrace that evil, which is cyber satan, which is the AI, which is something that will enslave mankind.
• 28:20
  Christians, of course, have called the mark of the beast and all the rest because then you have the microchipping, transhumanism, embracing the machine. So I wanted to oppose all that and I did it I think in the best way possible. Of course I renounced to a lot, don't think that many people were renounced to what I was offered, because along, you know, during my destroyed all the absolute monarchies, There was a choice to be made here between a system which is of course monarchy that was kind in decline and the Illuminati were attacking that system. And the reason was that the main thing, the order of the Illuminati was the most influential one, wanted that really launched also a way for the secret societies to become really political. Well, they wanted to eliminate the monarchies because they were connected with the religion, they wanted to eliminate religion and the monarchies.
• 29:26
  So, you know, the head of a state like the czar was basically the head also of the Orthodox faith. He needed to be eliminated. The same can be said for other monarchs. The only one that survived this purge was the the the English monarchy, but only because they were the heads of Freemasonry and so they were not attackable. They kind of made a deal within their system.
• 29:51
  Say if you want to call it a luminary system, but it's more complex. Of course, like I explained in my books, there is a variety of Masonic rights and orders that even kind of from the very from the very first start of Freemasonry started to fight against each other. Two factions, two factions that were of course pushing either the Hanoverian ideal, which became the Windsor, source, became the Protestant, and the other one wanted to bring in back the Catholics, so the Jesuits were kind of pushing that part of Freemasonry, but it didn't work out because the Stoics didn't come back in power. So Freemasonry in itself today, a lot of people are attracted by the mystery of Freemasonry. They don't really understand what Freemasonry is all about, and there is a lot of misconceptions about what Freemasonry really is.
• 30:42
  However, Freemasonry today, in 02/2023, which is basically three centuries after speculative Freemasonry was formalized in a grand lodge and then given a constitution because there was the 1717 constitution of the first grand lodge and then later on the constitution made by Reverend Anderson, was actually a way of bringing Christians back together. Instead, within one century, the Gnostics, the Occultists, the various branches that then started to popularize what are known as the Masonic rites, which tend to take once you are a master mason, a little bit like, you know, going into a university course rather than another one. You know, they are taking this path maybe and they go into the York rite or they get the other path and they go into the ancient Anastasia. These are the main rights here in America, but then you have many others also around the world.
• 31:43
  Seth Holehouse: Alright, folks. I've got a quick message for you. I have one simple question. If today you could no longer go purchase more food for your family with the food stores that you have in your home, how long would you be able to feed your family? Would it be a week, three weeks, a month, two months, a year?
• 32:03
  This is a really important question folks that we have to be very realistic about because the elites are proactively trying to put us into a state of food crisis and a state of famine. I'm sure you've seen all of the different food processing plants and farms that are blowing up. You've got cattle dying by the tens of thousands. They're proactively trying to collapse our food system because they know if they can control our food, they can control us. And so one of the best ways to be outside of their control is to be able to have our own stores of food and to be able to produce our own food.
• 32:36
  So there's really two things I would recommend. One is having heirloom seeds that you can grow your own food with, making sure that they're non GMO heirloom seeds that that way you can harvest your seeds this year, use them next year. You can use these seeds for generations. Literally, it's how it will work. The other thing though is this high quality storable food.
• 32:56
  This is food that's sitting somewhere, it's hidden in your basement, buried in your backyard, whatever it ever it is. So that way, if there is a crisis, if there is an emergency, you might have three months set aside to get through that time period. And so for this, I would highly recommend a company called Heaven's Harvest. This is an amazing Christian owned patriot company, and what they're doing is they're making high quality storable food. Again, lot of the food companies, they say these food buckets, they're all about maximizing calories per dollar.
• 33:26
  They're filling the buckets with a bunch of filler and junk like sweet beverages, etcetera. But Heaven's Harvest, they focus on very high quality food that will last up to twenty five years on the shelf. They also sell heirloom seeds. You can buy all of your seed, you can buy all of your restorable food. And look folks, personally, I would recommend having at least three months per person in your household, if not six months or even a year.
• 33:50
  Again, depends on your budget, but I'll definitely make sure you have some seeds because that seed, those seeds could be worth their weight in gold, if not more in the future. So to go ahead and do this right now, go put up a new tab and go to heavensharvest.com. And if you use the promo code Seth, that's s e t h, promo code Seth, you'll save 15% off of your entire order. So again, folks, the time is running out and you'd rather be three months or one year early than one day late. Again, heavensharvest.com and use promo code Seth to save 15% today.
• 34:26
  You know, one thing I wanna I wanna look at is the, you mentioned agenda 02/1930, and how we're seven years out from that. I, you know, you're seeing that, you know, within, you know, a lot of the political elites and a lot of the people coming out of the WEF and the UN, they're talking about these agendas. You know, we look around right now, we've got, you know, wildfires raging. We have land grabs. We've got the fifteen minute cities.
• 34:52
  It just feels like this agenda is really, really accelerating. And I know that back in was kind of crazy, but back in 2015, in one of your books, mentioned you talked about people can go look at it, that you said that in 2020, there's gonna be a virus that's gonna lock people in their homes, and how that is gonna be a significant part of this agenda. And so we've gotten through COVID one point o. Now there's this article going around. There's a video from Alex Jones going everywhere talking about this specifically, about how the Biden admin is preparing to bring back full COVID restrictions in mid September.
• 35:27
  And you can see the writing all over the place that they're they're trying to bring this this back. But from what you're seeing because I think that what's unique about the perspective that you bring is you're not just looking at these into these events through a a a very narrow range. You understand the bigger plan, like, extremely well. So, you know, with what what are your thoughts about kind of a COVID two point o coming back through? On top of all the other stuff happening with the climate and like, you know, the the new, you know, discussion about climate lockdowns, etcetera.
• 36:00
  As we're heading into this COVID two point o, what do you think about that? And how does that fit into the next stage of this plan?
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: As we are transmitting here, I'm in Palm Springs, as you know, which has been one of the main victims, let's say, over this overly hyped hurricane Hillary. In any case, I can say one thing and I want all our viewers to know that and it's very clear to everybody. Climate change depends only from one factor, which is the sun. Everything else is propaganda. That's it.
• 36:36
  It's very simple. Once you understand that there's been, for example, in the last couple of months, some of the most in the last month, one of the most powerful solar storms that has knocked out satellites, then you know where this climate change is coming from. And it's not a human factor. And it's something of course humans like the demon crates are associating with a human factor because they want to then sell you their electric grid and their electric cars, which is another way of controlling us. So now I explained this of course in volume seven, how the smart world is anything that smart is actually satanic.
• 37:14
  Anything that is called smart is actually, you know, a smartphone is a satanic phone, a smart house is a satanic house. Everything that is controlled by the AI generated world, which is about to do literally a quantum leap because it's about to embrace the reality of quantum computers, which in volume nine I discovered being probably the biggest danger for mankind at the moment because that's where cyber satan will take over the show. So 02/1930 is the moment in which the AI fully manifest. Politicians at that point are declared just like the rest of us a useless class. And at that point, a limited amount of technocrats will power grab everything and from their castles, just like in the old days with the feudalism, you will have techno you will have people with quantum computers that cost millions of dollars that can do things that you will never be able to do, I'm sorry, with your little computer.
• 38:19
  So you will be left in a very modest situation in front of a quantum computer that cost millions to of course maintain with helium cooling system, all the rest. And they will be able to destroy first of all, the blockchain system. That means that your Bitcoin will be worth nothing. That's it. You can throw your Bitcoin out the window.
• 38:39
  That's it. It's destroyed. Blockchain is a system that people really heavily rely at the moment for a number of things. Well, that system in front of quantum computing is nothing. So who is behind all this?
• 38:50
  And when I say cyber Satan, this is literally Satan's work. And when I say the foreign angel, I say an alien, I say something that we consider an interdimensional, multidimensional creature, which has a legion, a legion that has basically given us this technology with reverse engineering and we have got it out of these so called UFOs. But now that technology is a Trojan horse that captures all of us and within the next seven years, that's when they will grab this last amount of, you know, of people who are still going around thinking they can live freely, they will be just So then at that point how you come out of all this? You come out of all this simply by coming out of the grid, not living in cities anymore. Cities will be completely, I mean, if you consider the possibility of living in a city in ten years, well then you have to consider the fact that you're going to have to be fully vaccinated with a number of vaccines that are infinite.
• 39:50
  That change every year, that will probably kill you because you said that, you know, you have, you you actually said earlier, Leo, you have a different view of things from your own perspective, you can see things in a different way. Well, I can see things like, for example, this COVID upcoming other COVID scare as another biological warfare which is inflicted upon people simply because either through that biological warfare, either through the vaccines, you will end up either castrating yourself, your children and everybody that comes after the infertility problem, the women will not be fertile, the men will not be fertile, They want to eliminate the majority of human race. They don't, they're not interested. And if people say, but they need us to buy their products. No, they used to need you to build the pyramids, but those days are over.
• 40:44
  Now they have robots, they don't need you. They have robots, they have AI, they literally don't need you. You are called the useless class by you and Noah Harari, and that is basically a concept of course that I talk about in my books. I mean, I started to talk about the cyber sanitary concept, as you know, in volume 6.66, to also explain how the Vatican involvement, how there is this link directly with the demonic world. But then now we are literally in a situation in which they are forcing us into abandoning the Homo sapiens because they want to create something new.
• 41:20
  Their aim, their old aim has always been the same: immortality. The Illuminati are obsessed with immortality. That's their thing. It's just a constant obsession. It's been going on since the Renaissance, in the castles of Europe, in search of the philosopher's stone, the Ligzier beat, know, a lot of people associate of course with the making of gold, but it's also associated with immortality concept.
• 41:48
  So we can discuss maybe the making of gold can be more of an allegoric, a symbolism and all the rest. But in reality, transhumanism is the new alchemy. And this is actually something that the luminary themselves say. It's the new way for them to transform mankind. It's the new form of freemasonry in which they can transform mankind.
• 42:10
  So I hope that our viewers, mine in America, understand the importance of the times we are living and the importance of being informed about the times we are living in a correct way. Because there is so much disinformation and you can really get lost, you know. But I mean, when you're seeing something like this info regarding the next scare, the next pandemic scare, well, what's new under the sun? Nothing. We know what I mean, we know what they're trying to do.
• 42:41
  You know, we know that they already managed to forge an election and the only way they can create the same kind of forging, the same kind of result is by locking people in their homes and then getting us to vote in the sale. So what is the surprise here? The surprise is that they don't want Donald Trump. Is that a surprise? I don't think it is a surprise.
• 43:06
  I don't think it is a surprise because here we're seeing a president which is a risk in jail every day. And so what is the solution though? Well, the solution is for America the solution is this: either we create our own communities off the grid and well equipped for what is coming, which is a societal collapse at one point, which will of course not affect the cities. The smart cities of the future will be completely controlled left, right and center. But I'm not, I don't want to be there.
• 43:38
  I don't want to even enter them because I know that the moment I drive into San Diego, have 800,000 cameras with, you know, with the facial recognition. I am not interested in that. So I want to live a different life and I propose already from volume seven, the project of the great reject of creating alternative communities of the grid. At the same time though, we are risking a civil war. It's obvious that we are risking a civil war.
• 44:04
  And if Americans are accepting another result like the one of 2020 and then they think that they can literally do an assault on Capitol Hill like the solution of our problems. That is the most demented thing I ever witnessed. In fact, I was the one who went on Infowars at the end of '20 '20, warned the people at the right, at the last day of 2020 that the next week they shouldn't go to Washington because for me personally, I knew what will happen. It was a trap. It was obvious that it was a trap and I advise all my friends and a lot of people are still thanking me for, you know, for not going to Washington and not getting involved in what become for many, well, a big problem for the future.
• 44:57
  I mean, you see, I mean, Eric Ettario, I interviewed Eric Ettario and he's going to face probably thirty three years in jail and the same Joe Biggs who used to work at him. I mean, this is really sad. Their families are ruined. It's a very sad thing. So I was, I mean, you want to do a civil war, well then you have to constitute a militia, which is a military then at that point becomes a military because it's a little bit like 1776 at that point.
• 45:25
  You have to have generals, you have to have so you have to have officers, you have to have not you have to have a whole range of soldiers that I mean, it's not a joke. It's not just an assortment capital here with a few flags and maggots. I mean, that is ridiculous. That is ridiculous and it's actually then puts us not only we give the possibility to the enemy to describe this event like some kind of nine eleven event which was completely rubbish, you know, we all know that by now. But then of course the persecution that followed, the FBI which is completely corrupt.
• 46:02
  The FBI that basically works as the Stasi of Eastern Germany these days and it's just like punishing the political opposition of the person who is in power. This is not America. This is really not America. And so I think that in 2024 there will be really the decision for the future of America and there shouldn't even be this presidential candidate supposing Trump and the GOP. That is ridiculous.
• 46:35
  This should be simply Trump re proposing himself and this time possibly winning with the support of the whole party. This whole internal squabble is weakening. But at the same time, let's remember one thing. Whoever goes to Washington is going to be weakened the moment it arrives in Washington because unfortunately, the republic is a great thing. Democracy is a great thing.
• 46:59
  Okay. We can elect our leaders and they go to Washington. But unfortunately that is also very weak position when you have your enemy which has a dictatorship, which is like completely on one man focus Vladimir Putin in Russia for the last twenty more years. The same can be said for Xi Jinping. And these people will stay there until the end and they will be able to do things that we are here every four years having to debate, debate, debate.
• 47:30
  In the battle for the future of the world, and this battle is against also a materializing force which is alien, which is the AI, well that is the weakness. And you know, we can, we see it, everybody goes to Washington, everybody gets by it. Now that is the weak position really of the republic. The fact that, and you can't buy a king. You can't go to Prince Charles and say I want to buy you Prince Charles.
• 47:58
  They tried and actually I think there was some discussion that he might even fallen for it and given a title, a royal or some kind of title to somebody just for some interest. And that is something that still lurks in closet of Prince Charles. But now it's King Charles. He should, of course, he's unattachable. No?
• 48:21
  He's a guy that you can't go to King Charles. I want to buy you. How much do you cost? You can't do that with a royal. You can't do that with a guy who is in charge of his kingdom.
• 48:33
  And you can't do that with Vladimir Putin in charge of Russia or with Xi Jinping in charge of China or with Kim Jong Un in charge of North Korea. This is almost like monarchies. So you are here debating, debating, debating and China in the meantime buys the whole democratic party. They even have a big Masonic lodge of Chinese people here in San Francisco, which is one of the biggest ones. They buy, they they they simply, know, make their shopping.
• 49:02
  Who is in who who who can we buy today? Who is for and I'm not talking only about Democrats. There is also a lot of Republicans.
• 49:09
  Seth Holehouse: It up a question actually that I so I know in in one of your books, I think it was maybe volume eight. I forget which one. You talked about how the basically, the the Illuminati, the the controllers, how they their favor has shifted from the West to the East, and how they they've kind of abandoned the West in support of a China led new world order. And there's a lot of
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Being a Russian. Let's say China Russian.
• 49:38
  Seth Holehouse: So there's a lot of people, especially, you know, on the more conservative side of things that say, wow. Look. You know, Putin is fighting the deep state, and Xi Jinping's fighting the deep state, and they're gonna help free The United States from the deep state. Whereas I'm concerned because I know what life is like in China. Right?
• 49:55
  I've done a lot of human rights work, you know, related to that, and it's not good. So can you explain that? Because if someone were to come to you and say, look
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: China is doing the interest of Chinese. Russia is doing the interest of Russia. America is not doing the interest of America. Simple as that. So until we don't understand that we need to put people in charge to make the interest of our country and forget all this rubbish that has been unfortunately populating American politics because American politics has a very weak spot.
• 50:27
  And when it comes to financing, you know, your politicians and then the money influx and then all the dirty interests that appear in Washington DC. Well, we need a completely new political class that is not made of corrupt people like the Bidens who arrive in the White House or like a mafia family that is taking over this, that and all the other. Okay, how much money you can make Hunter? How much money you can make my brother? How much money you can make my sister?
• 50:58
  You know, this is like how this is a crime. It's a crime and it's a family that continues to indulge in crime. And we permit it. So our weakness is to permit all this, permit Joe Biden every day to wash off of this with a laugh. And we are supposed to accept that?
• 51:20
  Well, that is a weakness. So I hope that of course, Trump manages in some way to save the day. The problem is that inevitably, if Trump wins, will still trigger internal problems. Just like if Trump doesn't win, it will trigger internal problems. So the big problem here is will The United States stay united or will it separate?
• 51:47
  And then at that point in the separation, you know, like in all divorce, there is some problems, you know, who takes what and all of this. So I hope that we don't arrive to that. But I see it happening when I don't see a United States of mind here in America. While before, regardless of our political, you know, regardless you were Democrat or Republican in the sixties, until the seventies, you were still part of the American dream. So that was it, you know.
• 52:18
  Above all, if you met an American abroad, you were American. And nowadays it's not it's not the same thing. It's Democrats, it's Republicans. Wherever you are in the world and they are really bitter the way the the Democrats in particular don't accept anything, even a fault from the Republican realm, which means the death of democracy. It doesn't mean it doesn't have to do it really doesn't have to do with what you believe in, either Republican or Democracy, each have their issues.
• 52:52
  It's about the fact that one wants to prevail on the other and doesn't want to listen to the other, which is something that hasn't happened before in the history of America. So a man in America today is of course watching all this thinking maybe I can't help all this, I'm just going to indulge in drugs, I'm going to indulge in drinking, I'm going to and it becomes a sour loser in a way sometimes or maybe just a loser. And at that point he thinks, no, we can't do anything. Well, to those people I say, America relies on you. Clear your act up because you need to fight the war which is coming and you need to do it with a clear mind.
• 53:39
  So that is also a very important thing that we can't indulge in what the system wants to feed us because the system wants to feed the useless class like Harari himself admitted with video games and drugs. And then, you know, you stand there on the couch. It's just like this pandemic was filled with the QAnon disinformation operation. Now there is a lot of people that still figure out that QAnon is a good thing to have on board of this conservative movement because it, no, it's not. I don't see it that way.
• 54:12
  And so on the contrary of some of my colleagues who still indulge in wanting to, you know, accept this QAnon nonsense, I denounce it as being a disinformation operation, which brings you some truth with a lot of lies though that can lead you to the terrible consequences of January 2021. And it's an operation led by the AI because behind the whole QAnon project there is a SIOP unit which generates its info with AI. So if you want to be enslaved by cyber seidom, continue to follow the lies of QAnon And, you know, but people like me or Alex Jones, David Daikin, everybody else that, you know, that was before QAnon, because QAnon is a rather recent phenomenon. When, you know, people should understand why did they suddenly bring into the equation this QAnon thing and we don't know who generates this info. And at times the info could be interesting, be fascinating, you know, we're talking about the ray of lights, here, things that and all the other.
• 55:28
  Now stop the speculation, let's consider the facts of what is happening here. And the fact is that you only have seven years before the AI will take over your civilization. And at that point, you know, we will no longer even have political representatives that pretend to represent us. No, we will have simply the AI. And dealing with an algorithm is not really something very democratic as you know.
• 55:57
  So it's either, you know, one plus one is two and it's never three and that's it. So I'm in front of a country that is in decline, but I am still positive that people like me, you, others can maybe, thanks to also the benefits of having a guy like Donald J. Trump fighting for us. Now I don't know if that's going to be successful and if he's going to manage, but I really pray that in 2024, goes back into the White House, at least to manage to preserve the last remains of American democracy before the ultimate takeover, which will be inevitable in any case and will have to push many of you right now to decide where to be in ten years from now. 02/1933, don't be in a position that is weak because you're not going to be able to get you and your family protected from what is coming.
• 57:00
  You have to produce your own food. You have to remember that, like in Volume nine, one of the biggest concerns that I have when I push through is like insect farming. It's not just to make you eat insects, it's because you are what you eat and so you become an insect. And because insects have always been portrayed as demons since ancient times, the insects are basically this powerful tool that they want to use to submit us even more into the realm of being just, you know, useless class. Eat your ze itzy bugs, itzy bugs, itzy bugs.
• 57:40
  Then you have, of course, this lab grown meat, which has just been accepted for public consumption here in The United States on egg. I mean it's a monstrosity. GMO, GMO is a monstrosity, guys. And when I arrived here in America and I went through the aisles in the supermarket and I was like oh, oh. And when I made the mistake one or two times to eat GMO, I felt so sick, I mean my stomach immediately feels bloated and I can't eat that stuff, I'm sorry guys.
• 58:16
  So remember that they want to kill us so they're not going to give us some nice things to eat. They're not going to make it easy for us to survive. So you have to wake up to that. And when it comes to the witchcraft that is, I call the insect witchcraft, well, remember that the Theosophical Society is behind the United Nations and the Theosophical Society is expecting a sort of messianic figure which is Apollo. Apollo was the god of the locusts in ancient Rome.
• 58:53
  It's not a positive figure, the god of the locusts. The locust, like many other insects that they want to put on a table for public consumption, is something that shouldn't be close to our table in any way, shape or form. So we are really being put in front of all this evil and a lot of us unfortunately wash it off in hope that they can survive it, you know, and so they give in, they give in. But we never need, you know, once you give in, that's it, you will and you will decline. And you see it already from the people who gave in during the pandemic to the vaccine, you know.
• 59:37
  They are already in health decline. And I'm sorry really to see all these people feeling sick and dying every day because it's not right. But they made a choice. A lot of people say, but know, I couldn't renounce to it because they wouldn't permit me to work and I had to feed my children. Well, now you know, once you die, who's going to feed your children?
• 1:00:02
  And will your children take that vaccine and end up sterile, end up with big problems in the future? Well, that short term solution really is not the solution. So thank you for giving me this opportunity today, sir.
• 1:00:18
  Seth Holehouse: Oh, of course. And I know it would be a very just interesting interview covering a lot of different things. I know that in your in your books, you cover a thousand different topics in 10 different ways each. And so there's just there's so it's such a complex thing to understand how this all works and what's behind it. And and I agree in a lot of ways with a lot of your your your takeaways.
• 1:00:41
  It's just that we have to become more resilient. We have to become more independent of their system. Before we sign off, though, I just wanna bring up your website here. This is where I've oftentimes gone to to read your information, read your articles, which is leozagami.com. And also, you have your books on here or where are the what are the best ways to find your books?
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: You can actually go on leozikami.com and you find the links to all my latest books. So otherwise, you can go directly on Amazon. But as you can see, the links are on my website already. So you can see from there directly. And I advise people to read the books because, you know, books like mine are very complex and at the same time they're very detailed, they end up being almost, most of them, 500 to 600 pages.
• 1:01:31
  And it's not topics that you can really bring on the table in one hour or two hours.
• 1:01:35
  Todd Callender: No, no.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: So They're textbooks.
• 1:01:38
  Seth Holehouse: Yes. It's like they're for studying. They're dense. Yeah.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: Scratching the surface is good because now people can have a sense of what they can find maybe in my work. But, you know, these books are made for preparing people and for laying the foundations hopefully of a different society in the future. This is the hope for people like me and you in some way, you know, we are trying. I decided, you know, when I was in Italy and I became president of Italians for Trump, I really thought at that point in my life, maybe ingeniously, that maybe some kind of help for Italy could come from America again. But then I understood America needs actually to help itself.
• 1:02:27
  And so the best thing I could do was actually to come here and become America rather than try to help America from Italy or try to wait for some help from America to Italy. And I think that Europe is already been taken over. So there is no possibility for Europe to come back and be a relevant participant to the discussion because they are in the hands of these Satanists to imagine, Like I write in my last book on the May 1, we're doing an exhibition in the gallery of European Union with Jesus surrounded by drag queens and other monstrosities. So the thing is, you know, they are pushing transgenderings because that is trans, it's going beyond. And from beyond that, you're going to go to transhumanist.
• 1:03:17
  And so the transformation of man into a monstrosity that in ten or fifteen, twenty years from now will be unrecognizable. You will see people in the streets that will be half man, half cyborgs, half animals, half I don't know what. And this because we are permitting it. But of course, I don't want my family to follow this trend. I want my family to follow another trend and I hope the family of mankind that we are gathering with this video and with the work that we are doing helps building something new.
• 1:03:52
  So I'm still positive. I'm still positive. I still think that we can save part of humanity, but we will not be able, like some people have fought, you know, especially in the QAnon community or the other, we can save everybody, everybody will be saved and we will suddenly have everybody understanding the truth and we will have this moment of illumination that is like, you know, Paul on the way to Damascus. No, it's not going to happen. It's not going to happen.
• 1:04:25
  I'm sorry. Ninety percent of the people probably, In Italy we have ninety three percent getting vaccinated of the general population of 60,000,000 individuals. Those ninety three percent are finished. The Italian race is finished, it's dead. Now America was more resilient, resisted more because we resisted the lockdowns more.
• 1:04:47
  We resisted the impositions more here. And I was very glad to be here to see and witness the resistance really of the American people towards this concept of, yeah, they actually called it resilience themselves, you know, the leftist. But in reality, we have been at least perseverating, you know, in a group of people, I think here in America, I don't know how many you think here in America have not been vaccinated. What is your percentage? You
• 1:05:18
  Seth Holehouse: know, I've talked to a few different people about this exact thing, and though they have the numbers they publish, I my gut is that it's less than forty percent of the people that could have been.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: The official what are the official numbers?
• 1:05:32
  Seth Holehouse: Gosh. I haven't checked it recently. It was sixty, seventy percent. I mean, it it was up there. But I think it's actually much less than what they because I think that's what they do in America, especially with with the manipulation.
• 1:05:44
  They say, oh, the polls shows this. And a lot of people don't have they don't have made their mind up. They say, oh, that's what the group is doing, so I'll go with it. But I think actually a lot of people while a lot of people did get it, I think that a larger portion of people did not. And especially now, they're just, they're they're awake to it.
• 1:06:01
  And those who did get it, I think now
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: I think I noticed in America that during the pandemic it was much more easy for people to fake what in Europe was this, you know, this card where it will give you your medicinal status, your COVID status, your COVID card, however you want to call it. And so people didn't have in Italy instead, it became all immediately like in the rest of Europe and in some other countries like South Korea or whatever, all connected to apps and digital tracking and you couldn't really fake it. You couldn't, you know, just show some kind of paper saying, Oh, I've been vaccinated. Let me into your restaurant. Let me eat.
• 1:06:46
  Didn't happen. Here it happened much more. So definitely, like you said, there's probably many, many people that didn't get vaccinated and survived. We saw also that a lot of people died within the minorities, which were probably the ones that were more brainwashed and took the vaccine, unfortunately, because, you know, they were forced into it by their political overlords, which is the demon crux. So I think I know that people really have realized a lot of things in the last couple of years.
• 1:07:17
  I had somebody who, you know, I used to know many years ago, and suddenly I saw on his Facebook, he said, you know, after three vaccines, I finally realized I have a problem now with my heart. And I was like, jeez, man. He finally realized it. Wow. It's like realizing that you are hurt after shooting yourself three bullets in your feet.
• 1:07:42
  Know, I mean, oh, yes. I'm hurt. Well yeah, you are head, of course you now have a permanent problem. You should have listened to people like me that have always said that that wasn't the right solution. And that's why I got all my channels removed from YouTube and all that over and over again.
• 1:08:03
  But we have to persist and we have to also convince even the most sceptics people within our family. I had my own mother who after two vaccines suddenly realized that it was the wrong thing to do. And she said, Oh, you were right, you were right. I said, Well, thanks God you realize now that I was right. And the same things for my brother who suddenly felt sick and I was like, you see, I'm living on the other side of the world.
• 1:08:32
  I don't really have much contact with them. They did what they wanted to do. I don't, I'm not somebody who goes around preaching to my family to do things. I mean, I told them what was my view, they decided to do what they wanted. My mother herself actually said, Well, darling, here with a very British accent, I'm doing it.
• 1:08:51
  It was like an experiment. I did everything in my life. I had the Asian flu, I had this, I went through the war, the missiles from the Nazis. What else? I said, well, if you want to experiment, it's up to you.
• 1:09:03
  If you want to play Russian roulette too, I said, you know. So I mean, she played the Russian roulette and she realized after the second one that it was a bad thing. So, and she started to have consequences unfortunately for her health. So it is about, you know, giving the possibility of people to do their free, you know, they're free to decide what they want to do. So I, you know, if you want to play Russian roulette, you can do it.
• 1:09:30
  For me, it's no problem. But don't come back after to me and say, well, I played Russian roulette and I got shot. Course you got shot, idiot. Yeah. So I hope that this is clear and that people realize that the Illuminati, call them the Illuminati, call them however you want to call them, this new world order, the Sabbatian Franks and the Jesuits who well, the Jesuits are basically the ones in charge of the one world religion which is coming together.
• 1:09:57
  Sabbathian and Francists are more of course in their nature in charge of the economic side of things. But these forces that control our world want us to die. I know it might, you know, sound as a novelty for some people, but wake up, they want us to die. So if they can kill us in any way, they will do it. You just need to realize that and to not take their advice on anything, especially if it comes out of their mainstream media.
• 1:10:29
  So men in America think that I was able to cover quite a few things today.
• 1:10:36
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. And and we ended on some good points there, which is just resist. Do not comply. Leo, thank you again so much for being here. Thank you for what you're doing.
• 1:10:45
  I encourage folks to check out your website, your books, you know, follow you. Just follow what you're doing. So thanks again for coming. It has been a pretty mind bending conversation. I appreciate it.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: Thank you for having me on. I mean, of course, we could have focused on many things, but I think we focus on the things that matter most for people who are watching us at the moment. And as we don't have much time and we need to work fast through this process, also making people aware of the importance of the twenty twenty four elections, as well as the future and what the future holds for us, regardless who wins the twenty twenty four elections. Because the attack on the American way of life has just started. And we need instead to preserve what has really made America special.
• 1:11:36
  The American dream is a dream not only for Americans but for people all over the world that believe in it. And the people in America have the responsibility to perpetrate this dream also for the generations to come and not transform it into a nightmare. So God bless you, God bless America, thank you for having me on.
• 1:11:55
  Seth Holehouse: Great. Thank you.