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The New Age of the Sorcerers: UFOs, MKUltra and the Cold War · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the UK column. I am delighted
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Speaker 1: today to be joined by Matt Eric. Welcome back to
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Speaker 1: the UK column. Matt. The last time we spoke was
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Speaker 1: about your episode two of The Hidden Hand of the
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Speaker 1: Leaden Hand behind UFOs and episode three. As I it's
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Speaker 1: another spectacular piece of work. But I noticed that you
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Speaker 1: began just with a little bit of a recap on
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Speaker 1: It's G. Wells in particular.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I did, I did, thank you for having me back,
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Speaker 2: and yeah, it's a fun ongoing series. I'm thinking to
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Speaker 2: tell the whole story will probably be about eight or
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Speaker 2: nine episodes, but yeah, we did HG. Wells for the
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Speaker 2: episode two and the Thomas how X Club thing that
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Speaker 2: a lot of people haven't paid an appropriate amount of
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Speaker 2: attention to to understand how it is that the mind
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Speaker 2: of all of us became the battlefield over a century
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Speaker 2: and a half ago, and how especially one of these
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Speaker 2: prodigies of Thomas Huxley became a pioneer of a new
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Speaker 2: aspect of this mind battle in the figure of HG. Wells,
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Speaker 2: who generated who recognized that it was much more valuable
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Speaker 2: to act upon the collective imagination through the medium of
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Speaker 2: entertainment and specifically science fiction to generate what I guess
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Speaker 2: later came to be known as predictive programming, to shape
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Speaker 2: the ideas of what human so that people could could
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Speaker 2: accept ideas under the radar of logic or critical thinking
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Speaker 2: in the form of entertainment that would infuse concepts of
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Speaker 2: what human nature was, what the future was, that we
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Speaker 2: would possibly subconsciously even adapt to instead of fighting against
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Speaker 2: if something evil was being put into motion. And also
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Speaker 2: you know, questions of like extraterrestrials and how to unite
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Speaker 2: humanity around a common threat from outside of this the
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Speaker 2: plane of the Earth where all things innovated very much
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Speaker 2: so by HQ. Wells.
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Speaker 1: Yes, the people that we're talking about here, Huxley Wells,
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Speaker 1: their names crop up everywhere, not just with respect to
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Speaker 1: this particular effort. And you know, when we look at
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Speaker 1: Wells in particular, he was writing a whole swidth of
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Speaker 1: science fiction books in his life, but he was also
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Speaker 1: writing you know, nonfiction books as well, the you know,
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Speaker 1: whole host of them. And my first sort of question
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Speaker 1: is where do these guys get the time?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I guess it's part of They are very hyperactive.
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Speaker 2: It's quite astounding when you when you see the output,
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Speaker 2: the qualitative output of these figures, it is shocking. And
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Speaker 2: I guess part of it is just not having a
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Speaker 2: regular job. You know, there's there's something that comes with,
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Speaker 2: you know, being brought into the upper clubs, whether you're
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Speaker 2: born into one of these these higher establishment families, and
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Speaker 2: you know, you have a fondie, you have untold, ungodly
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Speaker 2: hereditary properties and you know, things that that all of
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Speaker 2: a sudden you've been born into. But you've also got
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Speaker 2: access to, yeah, uh, a special type of experience within
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Speaker 2: a university system at Eton or or Cambridge or whatever.
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Speaker 2: And and coming out of that, you don't have to
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Speaker 2: work for a living, you don't have to worry about money.
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Speaker 2: You've got a certain set of of expectations of you
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Speaker 2: if you've chosen to accept them, that will give you
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Speaker 2: a lot of leisure in some ways to not again
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Speaker 2: not have to do a normal job. And uh, And
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Speaker 2: I think that there's a quality of education which there
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Speaker 2: the oligarchy is reserved for those expected to rule. That
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Speaker 2: is not the same thing that is granted to the
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Speaker 2: to the pleabs. I mean, I think the old you
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Speaker 2: would rather nobody have education. But since they that that
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Speaker 2: geniees out of the bottle. It's very easy to get
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Speaker 2: put it put back. It's very difficult to put that
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Speaker 2: genie back in the bottle. What they can do is
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Speaker 2: try to create a two tiered educational system where those
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Speaker 2: who are part of the elite, the the the establishment
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Speaker 2: class and are going to be vetted to be brought
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Speaker 2: into the higher reins of control will be given something
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Speaker 2: of a different experience than your typical community college student
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Speaker 2: that will allow them to tap into a greater portion
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Speaker 2: of their of their minds uh creative reasoning powers, but
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Speaker 2: without the morality. So the first thing they do is
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Speaker 2: they find a way to groom the morality that the
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Speaker 2: the the the the weight of conscience that all human
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Speaker 2: beings naturally have when you're a baby, you know, we
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Speaker 2: all have conscience to temper our logic, that the thing
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Speaker 2: that ties our hearts and our minds together. They find
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Speaker 2: a way to group there's there's i think, been a
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Speaker 2: way to groom that out of the young by by
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Speaker 2: whatever it is. There's a variety of techniques. I'm sure
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Speaker 2: traumatic trauma, a variety of abuses they have to go
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Speaker 2: through in boarding school or whatever else. Other things that
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Speaker 2: are unimaginably horrific to think about. And then when and
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Speaker 2: then when that's done, then they can access a broader,
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Speaker 2: more holistic mode of thinking, that think that thinks about
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Speaker 2: a whole that's more than the some of the parts,
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Speaker 2: so that when they go into the world they have
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Speaker 2: more to work with as far as tools that could
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Speaker 2: see how the scientific, the artistic, the political domains are
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Speaker 2: all connected as part of one system of control that
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Speaker 2: you could influence and divide your labor up as Huxley did.
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Speaker 2: Thomas Huxley did very, very cogently, competently, although in an
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Speaker 2: evil way, through his EX Club that oversaw the growth
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Speaker 2: of Darwinism, the promotion of a Darwinian gradualistic interpretation of
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Speaker 2: the universe in every domain. And you had members like
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Speaker 2: Matthew Arnold, he's a scientist brought into the inner core
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Speaker 2: of the X Club. You know, you had John Tyndall.
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Speaker 2: You had a variety of people who were specialists in
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Speaker 2: various fields who would all reinterpret their fields in a gradualistic,
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Speaker 2: ultimately random perspective. Like Darwin denies any moral orientation to evolution.
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Speaker 2: It's not it's not possible. It's all random mutations. It's
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Speaker 2: not creative leaps in the Darwinian system. It's all gradualism.
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Speaker 2: And they did that to geology, chemistry, optics, even they
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Speaker 2: brought it into sociology. And so again you see how
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Speaker 2: this this command and control is very useful in the
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Speaker 2: domain of science fiction. Through became super important and hgu
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Speaker 2: Well's you know, they divvy up their labor through certain
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Speaker 2: think tanks that have various specializations or groups that they
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Speaker 2: cater to with different techniques that are complementary. So the
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Speaker 2: Fabian Society has a cert a sort of approached different
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Speaker 2: from that of the Rhodes Milner group. You know, one
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Speaker 2: is utilizing a socialistic principle that was innovated by people
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Speaker 2: like John Ruskin was with Robert Morse overseeing the growth
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Speaker 2: of what became community communism. You know, they created salons
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Speaker 2: with Robert Morse, the uh, the guy who was a
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Speaker 2: key figure influencing Friedrich Engels. And again Ruskin's idea of
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Speaker 2: communalism little communal living processes and his aesthetical ideas also
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Speaker 2: shaped Cecil Roads and inspired Cecil Roads to do his thing,
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Speaker 2: which appears to be more of a movement of the
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Speaker 2: Roads trust that that group that was designed for the
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Speaker 2: more you know, right leaning old school conservatives at least
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Speaker 2: at the beginning, and the Fabians appeared to be more
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Speaker 2: left leaning socialistic e but they're all misanthropic anti humanists
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Speaker 2: at the end of the day. And HG. Well was
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Speaker 2: moving in and out of these circles, as was Bertrand
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Speaker 2: Russell and the others.
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Speaker 1: Just before we move on to post war stuff, one
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Speaker 1: of the nonfiction books at Wells wrote, of course, was
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Speaker 1: entitled New World Order. Is that the first use of
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Speaker 1: the term.
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Speaker 2: No, Now, that was nineteen forty, but he popularized it
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Speaker 2: quite a bit. And I think his nineteen twenty nine
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Speaker 2: Open Conspiracy was also complementary to the New World Order book,
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Speaker 2: where he lays out in a more supposed cogent manner,
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Speaker 2: the method of how this type of recapturing of humanity
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Speaker 2: under an elite class of high priests was going to
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Speaker 2: work the rebirth and rebranding of the British Empire. His
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Speaker 2: Open Conspiracy and New World Order, I think are two
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Speaker 2: very important blueprints for how the macro structure you know,
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Speaker 2: unfolded over the ensuing Cold War and post Cold War period.
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Speaker 2: But I think i'd read any Bessant using the terminology
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Speaker 2: New World Order before hqu Wells did, who was a
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Speaker 2: leading Fabian and Theosophist as well, which also plays into
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Speaker 2: this the you know, like I said, there there's different
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Speaker 2: different think tanks broken off to accommodate certain functions as
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Speaker 2: part of a division of labor. And while they had
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Speaker 2: the Fabian Society, the roads trust think tanks, as you
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Speaker 2: could call them, proto think tanks, you had the Theosophists
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Speaker 2: also set up similarly to manage the spiritual warfare component,
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Speaker 2: because you if you're going to have a durable control,
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Speaker 2: you have to have almost like a religiosity in your
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Speaker 2: in your pleabs, in your in your slaves that have
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Speaker 2: to have a they have to believe a certain superstitious
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Speaker 2: cosmology that allows them to want to be in a
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Speaker 2: system that will be controlled by a higher priests class
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Speaker 2: that controls the shadows of the things they think are gods,
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Speaker 2: which has been going on since ancient times. It's an
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Speaker 2: old tic technique. But the Theosophists, where I think the
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Speaker 2: syncretic organization that any Bissant was was assigned to lead
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Speaker 2: at a certain moment when Blovotsky died, and she also
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Speaker 2: plays into the Fabian overlap too, and also the reconquest
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Speaker 2: of places like India through you know, the creation of
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Speaker 2: things like and the overseeing of things like the India
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Speaker 2: Congress Party, which on the one hand, absorbed a lot
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Speaker 2: of the revolutionary energy of the Indian freedom movement when
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Speaker 2: it was created by a theosophist, you know, what's his name,
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Speaker 2: Octavian Home. Alan Octavian Home, who was a theosophist, hosted
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Speaker 2: Blovotsky in his house in India, British civil servant, and
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Speaker 2: he set up the India Congress Party to create pressure valves,
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Speaker 2: you know, to undo this steam. She she ended up
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Speaker 2: overseeing and running this thing as the president, as did
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Speaker 2: many many theosophists. So they're they have both a political
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Speaker 2: but also a spiritual control because they're also taking that
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Speaker 2: time to extract the most superstitious, worst elements of Indian
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Speaker 2: civilization and infusing that back into like whether it's the
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Speaker 2: worship of Kali Shakti Shiva, other other forms of tantric
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Speaker 2: black magic that that have been practiced ritualistically. They're they're
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Speaker 2: trying to extract the most violent, subterranean uh uh thoughts
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Speaker 2: from Indian cosmology and then put it back in their soup.
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Speaker 2: You know that it that infuses what from Hermeticism, Nastasism,
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Speaker 2: all this other demonology stuff to create sort of a
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Speaker 2: new syncretic religion with an outward and an inward teaching order,
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Speaker 2: an esoteric and an exoteric structure of teaching, which was
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Speaker 2: I think something that people like Bertrand Russell, like h
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Speaker 2: u Well's were attracted to in their own way too,
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Speaker 2: because that's the way the ol any oligarchy can only
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Speaker 2: work by having an outward story and an an inward story.
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Speaker 2: You know, something that the the high priests know is
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Speaker 2: the truth, and then something that the the masses believe
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Speaker 2: to be true, as as as as basically a lie
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Speaker 2: wrapped in the truth. So yeah, that all of that's
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Speaker 2: part of the story too.
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Speaker 1: Well, since you've brought up the issue of the spiritual
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Speaker 1: side and theosophy and so on, a thread that sort
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Speaker 1: of runs through runs through this third episode is the
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Speaker 1: mind control aspect, the use of mk ultra, the use
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Speaker 1: of psychedelics, but also the fact that we've got people
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Speaker 1: involved in this process that not only involved with theosophy,
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Speaker 1: but Rosicrucianism and in fact, i'd write Satanism as well.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Yeah, and there there are a number
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Speaker 2: of figures. The one that really I think was the
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Speaker 2: most influential in shaping the UFO narrative as sort of
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Speaker 2: a new religion, a new a new sacred lore coming
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Speaker 2: out of the Cold War, out of World War two
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Speaker 2: was a figure that many people may not even know
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Speaker 2: so much. J L. And Heinech, who was in a
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Speaker 2: astronomer who worked within the Manhattan Project complex, which was
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Speaker 2: sort of the first real secret science program that was
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Speaker 2: set up to create sort of a parallel science outside
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Speaker 2: of the public domain. Nominally in order to you know,
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Speaker 2: do battle with Hitler, but there was another dual aspect
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Speaker 2: to it which didn't end after World War Two. Now
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Speaker 2: jail and Heinich, as did many of these vetted scientists
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Speaker 2: who were part of not all there were some very
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Speaker 2: good scientists in Manhattan Project. It was so huge and multifaceted,
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Speaker 2: you know, very compartmentalized. Too many many scientists didn't even
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Speaker 2: know what another department was doing. The need for secrecy
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Speaker 2: was so high, so many of them were perfectly duped
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Speaker 2: and did you know, find find science. But some of
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Speaker 2: them were also recruited to unders to be allowed to
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Speaker 2: know a little bit more what the whole was doing,
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Speaker 2: and the Manhattan Project continued after World War Two. Now
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Speaker 2: jail and Heinich oversaw the creation of the First Government,
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Speaker 2: the official Government projects on Flying Saucers, Project Grudge, Project Sign,
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Speaker 2: the Robertson Commission as well. You know, he did all
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Speaker 2: these things. He also oversaw Project Blue Book, which ran
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Speaker 2: from the early fifties through sixty eight or sixty nine.
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Speaker 2: He unders he oversaw the Blue Ribbon Committee. After Blue
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Speaker 2: Book was nominally ended. He then oversaw, you know, the
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Speaker 2: creation of what was known as the Invisible College, a
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Speaker 2: network of like minded scientists that took the name their
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Speaker 2: name from the Rosa Cruscian Invisible College that created the
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Speaker 2: Royal Society of England, and that people like Sir Isaac Newton,
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Speaker 2: the alchemist numerologist, was also a devoted member to this,
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Speaker 2: Robert Boyle being another one earlier on. So this, this,
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Speaker 2: this Invisible College was a Rosa Krusian's secret society that
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Speaker 2: followed the hermetic alchemical teachings of a fictional character named
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Speaker 2: Christian Roysen Kreutz. Don't think it ever existed as a person,
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Speaker 2: but it was created as an image which had an
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Speaker 2: associated it seems to have been to have attempted to
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Speaker 2: do what Theosophy rebranded itself a little bit later, as
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Speaker 2: far as creating a secret gnostic teaching order that would
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Speaker 2: bring in her Meticism, alchemy, Cabbalism under a very highly symbolic,
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Speaker 2: highly superstitious worldview that would involve channelers witches. I think
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Speaker 2: this thing was behind the growth also of the Health
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Speaker 2: Fire Club at the inner core, the seating of which
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Speaker 2: Covin's all over Europe and especially the American colonies in
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Speaker 2: the seventeenth century eighteenth century. Sir Francis Dashwood was a
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Speaker 2: big member of this Health Fire Club operation as well.
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Speaker 2: So this is what, literally, in my assessment, was key
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Speaker 2: in transforming the British England into an empire in a
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Speaker 2: very vitriolic way. It was already being nudged in that
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Speaker 2: direction earlier, but that was like really the big part
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Speaker 2: of the secret sauce that that locked it in was
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Speaker 2: this high order of occult priests that created again the
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Speaker 2: British Royal Society was very powerful at trying to control
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Speaker 2: the interpretation of all science. You know, you had this
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Speaker 2: battle between continental science and and British science. The empiricist
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Speaker 2: school of Francis Bacon, who was again an occultist on
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Speaker 2: the followers of John D. Robert Flood as well. We're
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Speaker 2: all playing into this thing. So Alan heine created his
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Speaker 2: own invisible College. She was a student of Manly P. Hall,
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Speaker 2: a figure who was a thirty third degree Freemason, wrote
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Speaker 2: you know the Secret, the Secret Teachings of All Ages,
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Speaker 2: very influential Rosicrucian handbook, sort of his own version of
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Speaker 2: Albert Pike's Morals and Dogma or Blovotski's Uh Secret Doctrine.
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Speaker 2: So another one of the key members of that Invisible
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Speaker 2: College that comes up in the documentary is is Jacques Valet,
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Speaker 2: who was another a student of of Heineck. Valet goes
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Speaker 2: on to work for the Stanford Research Institute all of
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Speaker 2: these things to infuse this rosa Crucian teaching structure, which,
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Speaker 2: by the way, earlier on Alistair Crowley also was playing
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Speaker 2: a role in advancing a left hand path version of this,
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Speaker 2: which was taken up by one of his students who
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Speaker 2: also saw himself as the reincarnation of the Beast named
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Speaker 2: el Ron Hubbard. So l Ron Hubbard was that in
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Speaker 2: charge of the California Uto Templey orientis that Crowley led
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Speaker 2: and el Ron Hubbard created a school a thought of
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Speaker 2: a religion called scientology, a UFO cult, and his students
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Speaker 2: became very close to Jacques Vallet within the Stanford Research Institute.
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Speaker 2: They are the ones who also are very much working
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Speaker 2: with the CIA, Ingo Swan and others at trying to
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Speaker 2: utilize MK ultra techniques as you alluded to, silent cybin,
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Speaker 2: d MT, other forms of LSD research that were all
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Speaker 2: developed by the military industrial complex and British intelligence. They
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Speaker 2: were all developed by these institutions and then they were
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Speaker 2: using them to create different forms of depatterning psychological trauma
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Speaker 2: to help people tap into controlled schizophrenia that was believed
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Speaker 2: to give people access to higher paranormal powers of telepathy,
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Speaker 2: astral plane projection, pretty much everything. And that's what they
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Speaker 2: were doing under Jacques Vallet's lead with this team at
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Speaker 2: SRI in the seventies under what became the Stargate project.
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Speaker 2: This fed directly into the Changing Images of Man operation
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Speaker 2: with Willis Hartman and Willis Harmon. By the way, his
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Speaker 2: his his assistant was the woman who wrote Age of
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Speaker 2: the Aquarium Conspiracy, which was a direct take from hgu
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Speaker 2: Wells's earlier open conspiracy directly. So this is what was
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Speaker 2: all done to try to change the idea of what
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Speaker 2: human beings thought. We were utilizing a variety of techniques
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Speaker 2: of hypnosis, matters of union, and Freudian psychology, they Burian sociology,
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Speaker 2: a little mix of all of these things to then
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Speaker 2: bring about a new age of sorcerers with a highly
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Speaker 2: superstitious population that would perhaps believe that the religions that
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Speaker 2: they thought they were a part of were actually the
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Speaker 2: constructs of UFOs from or aliens from either other galaxies
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Speaker 2: or maybe even other dimensions, which is what both Allen
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Speaker 2: Heinek and Jacques Vallet also innovated, was the interdimensional alien
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Speaker 2: hypothesis in the sixties, together with the Valet's Road to Magonia,
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Speaker 2: and that that also is the idea that you know,
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Speaker 2: we'll take, well, well, we'll take the new the new
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Speaker 2: interpretation of science and the atom of the standard model
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Speaker 2: cosmology and atomic theory, which was garbage. It was always garbage.
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Speaker 2: It was always a rejection of the method of thinking
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Speaker 2: of people like Max Plank, meda'me. Currie, Albert Einstein who
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Speaker 2: were making discoveries. The people making discoveries didn't agree with
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Speaker 2: this new method that was brought about through the the
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Speaker 2: nineteen thirties forties and became the standard that we all
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Speaker 2: had to adopt if we wanted to be a scientist
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Speaker 2: that would have jobs NAC DEMI or get grants, and
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Speaker 2: the standard model presumed kind of like h what Thomas
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Speaker 2: Huxley's network did at the X Club earlier is they
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Speaker 2: basically said, there's certain assumptions that you have to pay
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Speaker 2: fealty to that are unquestionable about the structure of space,
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Speaker 2: time and matter, of which one of those things is
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Speaker 2: that all matter is organized by fundamentally irrational behavior, randomness,
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Speaker 2: stochastic motion on the very small and that to account
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Speaker 2: for things like the assumed Big Bang, that we assume
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Speaker 2: happy and you assume that there are other dimensions, because
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Speaker 2: something can't come from nothing unless you're a gnostic, you know,
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Speaker 2: follower of some you know mannekein universe where where nothing
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Speaker 2: and everything or co equal or good or evil or
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Speaker 2: co equal. But you know, the Big Bang presumes that
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Speaker 2: nothing existed forever and then something happened thirteen billion years ago,
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Speaker 2: and that something was everything at a point mass. But
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Speaker 2: what made the point mass. Well, then they said, well,
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Speaker 2: we need to come up with mathematical abstractions like other dimensions,
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Speaker 2: to account for what might have existed before the singularity
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Speaker 2: that created the macro blast of energy that is all
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Speaker 2: that is which is winding down in the heat death.
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Speaker 2: And so they just made it up as a mathematical
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Speaker 2: fiction to accommodate for trying to paste over an irrationalism.
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Speaker 2: And then the people like Valet and Heinek would use
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Speaker 2: this garbage. Copenhagen's school promoted interpretation that was funded by
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Speaker 2: the Rockefellers to justify how drugs might be helping us
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Speaker 2: tap into other dimensions. And maybe there are these other
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Speaker 2: entities in those dimensions that we thought were angels are
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Speaker 2: deemed when we maybe a primitive person ate a magic mushroom,
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Speaker 2: or or they they you know, chewed on some opium
22:07
Speaker 2: or cocaine and all of a sudden got an altered state,
22:10
Speaker 2: and they thought they saw, you know, some force talking
22:14
Speaker 2: to them from inside the brain. Maybe that force that
22:17
Speaker 2: was that was what the profits of the of Elijah
22:20
Speaker 2: and the profits of the Old Testament, and maybe Jesus,
22:23
Speaker 2: when they thought they were speaking to God were getting
22:25
Speaker 2: alien communications from another dimension, so he just this stuff
22:29
Speaker 2: just adds up, you know, the fallacies of composition build
22:32
Speaker 2: upon fallacy, but but by in an organized way to
22:36
Speaker 2: get a certain effect. And that's what they've been doing.
22:38
Speaker 1: We talked about it's she Wellson and I found time
22:42
Speaker 1: and what to do things and whatnot. And clearly you've
22:44
Speaker 1: got to assume that he was to some degree a
22:46
Speaker 1: capable person. Whether you agree with them or not. Vallet,
22:50
Speaker 1: of course was good. Myths with Anton Lavy and the
22:53
Speaker 1: fact that they're their their names rhyme I always find
22:56
Speaker 1: quite amusing. But anyway, uh, you know, Anton LaVey, when
23:00
Speaker 1: you look at his photograph, his picture on the internet
23:05
Speaker 1: or whatever he looks, he comes across as having real presence,
23:09
Speaker 1: you know that he's a real demonic personality and whatnot,
23:12
Speaker 1: because of course he was head of the Church of Sitton.
23:15
Speaker 1: But any you know, when you go and actually watch
23:19
Speaker 1: video of him speaking, he comes across as being really
23:25
Speaker 1: a bit wet. He's pathetic, he's not much of a character. Really, actually,
23:31
Speaker 1: there's nothing there. He's empty, And I wonder how much
23:36
Speaker 1: these other people are are like that as well.
23:39
Speaker 2: It's true what you say, you know, you read the
23:42
Speaker 2: writings of some of these figures. You look at their images,
23:46
Speaker 2: the type of projection that they're all about, projection right
23:50
Speaker 2: of the image that they want to convey into their audience.
23:54
Speaker 2: But when you actually hear them off the cuff trying
23:57
Speaker 2: to speak, it's so underwhelming. Including hgu Wels the few
24:02
Speaker 2: recordings I have of hgu WEL's, he's this very effect,
24:07
Speaker 2: you know, tenor he's not very comfortable with his with
24:11
Speaker 2: his voice almost, I don't know. It's underwhelming. And the
24:15
Speaker 2: same thing for for Aquino, who comes up more prominently
24:18
Speaker 2: in our in our episode three, Michael Aquino, who had
24:21
Speaker 2: been a secondhand lieutenant, a second in command of Levey
24:27
Speaker 2: at the Church of Satan for a number of I
24:29
Speaker 2: think five or six years, and he plays a prominent
24:32
Speaker 2: role in this whole revival of of of a new
24:41
Speaker 2: religion worldwide religion. But with his focus in his assignment
24:44
Speaker 2: was particularly the military, because that that is a very
24:47
Speaker 2: important aspect of control. You need to if you have
24:50
Speaker 2: a patriotic human quality within your intelligence and military, it's
24:54
Speaker 2: much more difficult to subvert a society if the military
24:57
Speaker 2: is actually a citizen's military, with people who access to
25:00
Speaker 2: their their their their wits and morals, very very very
25:05
Speaker 2: difficult to subvert such a society. So a high priority
25:10
Speaker 2: for the oligarchy, I think has been especially how to
25:14
Speaker 2: drive the military nuts, whether British, American, whatever, And I
25:18
Speaker 2: think a big part of what they did with the
25:25
Speaker 2: the Flying Saucer SIOP after World War Two had a
25:30
Speaker 2: big focus on giving creating a creating within the military
25:38
Speaker 2: itself and within intelligence itself a culture because it's a
25:42
Speaker 2: very it's a very compartmentalized world that that these many
25:46
Speaker 2: of these people are living within. You know, they they
25:48
Speaker 2: there's a lot of need to know and a lot
25:51
Speaker 2: of things most people are not allowed to know who
25:53
Speaker 2: are who feel like they they should know whether whatever
25:56
Speaker 2: the rank they happen to be in the in the army,
25:58
Speaker 2: or they're the Air Force or the Navy. Intelligence similarly
26:01
Speaker 2: very compartmentalized. So they wanted to create a gossiping culture
26:05
Speaker 2: where people would feel, on the one hand that maybe
26:07
Speaker 2: the government is maybe we are participating in some weird
26:10
Speaker 2: X file scenario, maybe there are shadowy departments that are
26:14
Speaker 2: maybe protecting or keeping secret information about UFOs and other things,
26:21
Speaker 2: and they would put out different types, you know, those
26:23
Speaker 2: who are overseeing this operation around Jaalen Heineck would put
26:27
Speaker 2: out or Alan Dulles and his colleagues, his closest colleagues
26:33
Speaker 2: who all got fired by JFK. We're putting out various
26:37
Speaker 2: forms of messaging that on the one hand, would encourage
26:41
Speaker 2: the media to promote the idea with official stories from
26:45
Speaker 2: the government that indeed, aliens and alien craft have been
26:48
Speaker 2: recuperated in these things. But then inside the military they
26:52
Speaker 2: would tell people anybody who speaks about things that they've
26:55
Speaker 2: seen in the night sky will be facing a ten
26:57
Speaker 2: thousand dollars fine, and you know you'd have these very
27:00
Speaker 2: or court martial. So you create again, it's it's this
27:03
Speaker 2: the which the sorcerers would create a magic show in
27:05
Speaker 2: a sense, playing on the psychology of the of the groups,
27:09
Speaker 2: to create within the military a detachment from common sense.
27:15
Speaker 2: And and the more this got softer and softer minded
27:19
Speaker 2: over the decades, especially the Cold War was a crazy
27:22
Speaker 2: period of deceit, of lies. Cold War secrecy was everywhere.
27:26
Speaker 2: We were working with Nazis, right the highest level of Nazis,
27:29
Speaker 2: and we were told not to ask questions because it
27:32
Speaker 2: was in the greater good Operation Gladio. You know, that's
27:35
Speaker 2: what NATO was employing were unreconstructed Nazis to fight the
27:38
Speaker 2: Cold War and to also fight the population mentally, including
27:41
Speaker 2: those in the UK and Europe and America. The population
27:44
Speaker 2: became the battlefield. So anyway, a Quino couple of Set
27:50
Speaker 2: and his Temple of Set as a breakaway from the
27:54
Speaker 2: Church of Satan, he comes. He himself is a colonel,
27:56
Speaker 2: a very high level above top secret clearance in almost
27:59
Speaker 2: every thing. He teaches it several military colleges. He oversees
28:04
Speaker 2: the psychological warfare operations at Fort Bragg in a variety
28:07
Speaker 2: of other places in America, and he writes, you know,
28:11
Speaker 2: he becomes a reformer. He's assigned the role of reforming
28:14
Speaker 2: the military through a colleague of him of his own
28:19
Speaker 2: named Paul Vallet, who authored the mind Wars paper. And
28:23
Speaker 2: they're essentially using the works of Jacques Valet and the
28:28
Speaker 2: the SRI team on on on special paranormal powers of
28:35
Speaker 2: telepathy and remote viewing and things like that that they
28:38
Speaker 2: were doing on a lot of human guinea pigs al
28:40
Speaker 2: at mk Lture in the seventies. They were using a
28:42
Speaker 2: lot of that information to create elite super soldiers or
28:47
Speaker 2: modern Jedi warrior knights that would utilize almost like this.
28:51
Speaker 2: They would use language from the Grail myths of Excalibur,
28:55
Speaker 2: that this power of mind wars would be like the
28:58
Speaker 2: sort Excalibur that would be a magic or like what
29:00
Speaker 2: Hitler had with his Uh was it sort of destiny
29:03
Speaker 2: or not? Sort of spear of destiny? That was this?
29:07
Speaker 1: Was this this stuff that was sort of the feature
29:10
Speaker 1: of The Man that Starret Goats or whatever that book
29:12
Speaker 1: was called. That is that the kind of thing we're
29:14
Speaker 1: talking about here?
29:15
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, you've seen that movie. Yeah, anybody's it's
29:17
Speaker 2: a decent It's a that was a BBC movie. It
29:20
Speaker 2: was weird, but yeah. They they popularized this story, which
29:24
Speaker 2: was non fiction, into a movie with George Clooney that
29:26
Speaker 2: called The Men Who Stare at Goats Going through What
29:29
Speaker 2: this mind wars thing was that drove the revolution in
29:32
Speaker 2: military affairs and it involved, you know, sending out soldiers
29:36
Speaker 2: into esselin to do sacred orgies, drugs, do transcendental meditation,
29:41
Speaker 2: learned to tap into their mind powers and then feedback
29:44
Speaker 2: into reorganizing platoons to blow up the hearts of an
29:47
Speaker 2: enemy using goats or rabbits, you know, to just folks,
29:51
Speaker 2: your mind to run through walls by aligning your your
29:54
Speaker 2: your atoms by intention with those of the wall that
29:58
Speaker 2: you could then pass through. And it was it was.
30:01
Speaker 2: It was a crazy land, but it but but it.
30:03
Speaker 2: But it also was very much infused with the Jedi.
30:05
Speaker 2: They had one program called the Jedi Warrior Program. And
30:09
Speaker 2: if it makes sense when you think about what what
30:11
Speaker 2: it was that people like George Lucas was doing. George
30:15
Speaker 2: Lucas called anyway, I'm not gonna go into that right now,
30:19
Speaker 2: but yeah, that that that that became the driving force
30:21
Speaker 2: of the the the elite commandos, but also people who
30:24
Speaker 2: became part of the high Joint chiefs of Staff of America,
30:28
Speaker 2: people like General Stubblebeam, who was the head of military
30:31
Speaker 2: Intelligence in the eighties, was a patron of this and
30:35
Speaker 2: a promoter of this. And these are the people who
30:37
Speaker 2: then oversaw things like like why did America start acting
30:40
Speaker 2: so crazy? You know, by after it Ran Contra especially,
30:44
Speaker 2: but with Desert Storm and then the Forever Wars in
30:47
Speaker 2: nine to eleven. These the these were of people like
30:50
Speaker 2: Michael Aquino, oh, who I never said, Yeah, it was
30:53
Speaker 2: just the most unimpressive person to talk to, listen to
30:55
Speaker 2: when you when you listen to him speaking on Oprah Winfrey,
30:57
Speaker 2: he's just like this, this little nerdy office cubicle, you know, employee,
31:04
Speaker 2: and you wouldn't guess that he thinks that he's the
31:07
Speaker 2: embodiment of Alistair Crowley, which he does and and kind
31:10
Speaker 2: of like kind of Himilar the Nazi, you know, head
31:14
Speaker 2: of the on an elbow, which he actually is doing
31:16
Speaker 2: work rituals, black magic rituals in Vevelsburg Castle in Germany,
31:20
Speaker 2: which is where Himmler had his you know, occult headquarters
31:25
Speaker 2: that ran the inner core of the s s as
31:28
Speaker 2: a new templar order of of Grail myths, of of
31:31
Speaker 2: Grail knights, you know, with with mind powers that could
31:34
Speaker 2: tap into spirit beings using witches from the real society
31:38
Speaker 2: that would be channelers all the ship. It's it's, it's
31:41
Speaker 2: it's it's crazy, it's crazy land.
31:43
Speaker 1: And I suppose the next question that is, if we
31:45
Speaker 1: talked about a Quano in particular. There he was with
31:48
Speaker 1: his dodgy bowl haircut and his his little his eyebrows
31:51
Speaker 1: sort of pushed up like little hids and stuff like this.
31:54
Speaker 1: But but what was was his public persona an expression
31:59
Speaker 1: of the of the mind war of the sye op
32:01
Speaker 1: or was he is this what he actually was, what
32:06
Speaker 1: we saw in public, that then was brought into that
32:09
Speaker 1: was then channeled into the military to make changes in
32:13
Speaker 1: a particular direction.
32:14
Speaker 2: I'm seeing a theme in a lot of these characters.
32:17
Speaker 2: Even John Podesta has an altar named some some weird
32:23
Speaker 2: name like Squeegee or something, and people who've worked with
32:26
Speaker 2: John Podesta talk about how how nice and meek John
32:29
Speaker 2: Podesta is, but you don't want to meet I'm gonna
32:32
Speaker 2: call it Squegee because I don't remember, but it's a
32:34
Speaker 2: it's a goofy name like that. You don't want to
32:35
Speaker 2: meet Squeegee. Uh. And that's the the the like the
32:40
Speaker 2: thing that that will destroy you and tear you down.
32:43
Speaker 2: Like there's this other thing he just taps into. And
32:45
Speaker 2: people who've worked with Podesta are like, Yeah, there's this
32:47
Speaker 2: other weird thing. We're all afraid of it. You don't
32:50
Speaker 2: want to you don't want to let that thing out.
32:53
Speaker 2: I I get the sense that there is some form
32:55
Speaker 2: of controlled schizophrenia, some some some some personality split personality
33:04
Speaker 2: complex that is pervasive amongst the occult, the higher occult
33:11
Speaker 2: oligarchs who are assigned to carry out something so that
33:15
Speaker 2: in the daytime they can have one persona that seems
33:19
Speaker 2: maybe even pleasant, you know, like I'm thinking like an
33:22
Speaker 2: Obama has almost charisma, and then at night, you know,
33:27
Speaker 2: there's another thing that can can be induced to come out,
33:30
Speaker 2: maybe through certain ritual, which is demonicas sin. You know. So,
33:38
Speaker 2: I mean, Michael Aquino has a huge trail of of
33:43
Speaker 2: of children who he molested. There is there is there
33:47
Speaker 2: are a whole slew of of children molested. And I've
33:53
Speaker 2: seen enough enough evidence that's convinced me that that it's
33:56
Speaker 2: it's legit that Aquino and his wife Claire I forgot
34:01
Speaker 2: her name is, but she was Lilith Claire, that they
34:05
Speaker 2: were they had control of a daycare on I forget
34:10
Speaker 2: which military base that they were living near, And yeah,
34:12
Speaker 2: children were getting molested left and right, and there was
34:17
Speaker 2: a huge scandal in the eighties around this thing. I
34:19
Speaker 2: think that's part of part of the reason why he
34:21
Speaker 2: was brought onto Oprah Winfrey in nineteen eighty eight was
34:24
Speaker 2: to try to sort of defend himself against all of
34:26
Speaker 2: these accusations. But they were coming. But so, you know,
34:28
Speaker 2: you got this he's doing, he's doing, God knows what
34:31
Speaker 2: he's part of Operation Phoenix, you know, like he's doing
34:34
Speaker 2: on Holy Evil in Vietnam under Edward Lansdale, who's overseeing
34:40
Speaker 2: Operation Phoenix, which murders, you know, whole villages. The Mili massacre,
34:46
Speaker 2: there's like forty thousand at least people murdered tortured Vietnam.
34:52
Speaker 2: I think, just like the Boer War earlier that generated
34:55
Speaker 2: the Milliner Kindergarten, I think the war, the Vietnam War
34:59
Speaker 2: was an important ritual initiatory process for an inner Satanic
35:04
Speaker 2: elite that would be given the reins of power or
35:07
Speaker 2: influence in managing systems, and that particular grouping really was shaped,
35:13
Speaker 2: you know, where you do the sorts of things that
35:15
Speaker 2: that Marlon Brando's character has to or ends up doing
35:20
Speaker 2: in Apocalypse. Now, you know, it does something to you,
35:24
Speaker 2: and there's something that only war can provide the opportunity
35:27
Speaker 2: to do that level of mass murder to children and
35:30
Speaker 2: torture that you won't be held accountable for. So it's
35:33
Speaker 2: it's it's it's it's part of that. So the fact
35:36
Speaker 2: that Aquino came out of that immediately had upon his
35:39
Speaker 2: return to America, and by the way he's in, he's
35:41
Speaker 2: going in and out of things like he's tied. There's
35:44
Speaker 2: the Manson family, there's the Process Church, there's the the
35:49
Speaker 2: the the Church of Satan operators that are all kind
35:52
Speaker 2: of overlapping in some weird ways throughout the story. The
35:56
Speaker 2: Zodiac Killer is overlapping in this stuff in in the
36:00
Speaker 2: late sixties, which he then all of a sudden has
36:05
Speaker 2: you know, his his insight from uh demon forces or
36:09
Speaker 2: whatever that convinced him that he is the Messiah, the
36:12
Speaker 2: the the the Messiah of the New Age. Of of
36:15
Speaker 2: set Set being a reference to the the Lucifer Jesus
36:20
Speaker 2: figure of the of the Gnostics the Sethian Gospels. That
36:24
Speaker 2: that presumed that the the the spirit of set, the
36:28
Speaker 2: spirit of Lucifer, the light Bringer, was the thing that
36:31
Speaker 2: that gave, that infused the words into the snake to
36:37
Speaker 2: to get Adam and Eve, to get you know, to
36:40
Speaker 2: eat from the tree of knowledge. And then it's the
36:42
Speaker 2: same thing that infused itself into the body of Jesus
36:45
Speaker 2: when he became the Christ, which was actually Lucifer. That
36:49
Speaker 2: Christ is actually the the not the figure from the
36:53
Speaker 2: Nicean scriptures of the of the New Testament. It's actually
36:57
Speaker 2: the figure of the Gnostics, which was teaching secret teachings
37:02
Speaker 2: to Mary Magdalene, his his sacred prostitute, horror wife who
37:08
Speaker 2: gave birth to his babies, who taught, you know, the
37:11
Speaker 2: how to integrate good and evil, how to integrate opposites
37:14
Speaker 2: into wholeness, so that we would transcend the realm of
37:17
Speaker 2: opposites of creation and go back to the great nothingness
37:19
Speaker 2: which was the cause of everything. That's why I said gnostic.
37:22
Speaker 2: That's the sort of the type of thing you would
37:24
Speaker 2: find in a lot of the The Naghammadi popularized Gnostic
37:30
Speaker 2: scriptures that have been i think known and maintained by
37:34
Speaker 2: this this the Satanic core, going back for two thousand years.
37:39
Speaker 2: But they made it popular, they brought it, they had
37:43
Speaker 2: a coming out party for it during the Cold War.
37:46
Speaker 2: And so the Temple of Set got its name from
37:49
Speaker 2: that that idea, you have to do good, to do
37:52
Speaker 2: to do evil, to do good, you got to you
37:53
Speaker 2: gotta do these rituals that evolve finding a way to
37:56
Speaker 2: break the initiate, the adept from any type of influence
38:02
Speaker 2: that their conscience would have over their ability to do
38:06
Speaker 2: what they wilt. That to be perfectly you know, individualized,
38:11
Speaker 2: as Carl Jung would say, it free agents, you have
38:13
Speaker 2: to do these these ritual acts were part of that.
38:20
Speaker 2: So yeah, a Quino had his own approach to that
38:23
Speaker 2: that was slightly different, but I think very synergistic with
38:25
Speaker 2: with with his former mentor and people like Edward Lansdale,
38:29
Speaker 2: I believe were absolutely Satanic, and many of these Satanists
38:32
Speaker 2: were again overseeing things that involved the creation of QAnon,
38:39
Speaker 2: which has a certain numerological Rosicrucian foundation to it, utilizing
38:45
Speaker 2: very cryptic messaging that's highly encoded, that involves you know,
38:50
Speaker 2: Michael Aquino was also a promoter of QAnon early on,
38:52
Speaker 2: so was Paul Vallet, the two authors of Mind Wars,
38:55
Speaker 2: they were both promoters of q Andon. So you know,
38:57
Speaker 2: I mean I think that this this is how they're
38:59
Speaker 2: sort of try to play this thing to get the
39:02
Speaker 2: population into a certain dynamic.
39:04
Speaker 1: Let's move back in history again a little bit, because
39:07
Speaker 1: one name that came up in the early part of
39:10
Speaker 1: the documentary that I think we should talk about since
39:14
Speaker 1: he was one of the great mentors of our president king,
39:17
Speaker 1: and that was Louis Montbatten.
39:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, I mean Mount Baden. Yeah, he was a
39:21
Speaker 2: surprising one. I didn't think that he was gonna come up,
39:23
Speaker 2: but he does. And he was actually one of the
39:25
Speaker 2: earliest promoters of UFOs in the early fifties. He came
39:30
Speaker 2: out speaking about, you know, his belief that these alien
39:34
Speaker 2: craft had landed on one of his estates and his
39:37
Speaker 2: butler you know, saw it and interfaced with the aliens,
39:39
Speaker 2: and he came out really promoting this and he actually
39:42
Speaker 2: got his He got his nephew Philip to become really
39:50
Speaker 2: devoted to this story. Now, again I don't believe personally
39:54
Speaker 2: that Mount Baden or Philip actually believed in that, but
39:58
Speaker 2: after Philip died, that's the message that was promoted is that,
40:01
Speaker 2: oh yeah, he had a lifelong passion since he was
40:03
Speaker 2: recruited to the cause of UFO disclosure by his uncle
40:07
Speaker 2: and he had a bounty of like UFO literature. Again,
40:10
Speaker 2: I think they sort of saw that as the joke
40:12
Speaker 2: that it was, but that was the messaging for the masses. Now.
40:17
Speaker 2: Mount Batten was the supreme Allied commander during World War
40:23
Speaker 2: Two of I think Theater of the Eastern the Pacific Front.
40:28
Speaker 2: He was the governor general in Viceroy of India, a
40:30
Speaker 2: very very powerful guy. He ended up becoming a top
40:34
Speaker 2: dog at NATO in the fifties. And yeah, he was,
40:42
Speaker 2: according to Sir Henry Tizard, the most powerful scientist of
40:46
Speaker 2: the British Empire, the chief scientist of the UK Ministry
40:49
Speaker 2: of Defense. He was the guy who assigned Tizard to
40:52
Speaker 2: establish the Flying Saucer Working Party in the UK in
40:57
Speaker 2: nineteen forty nine, which for eight months was using taxpayer money,
41:03
Speaker 2: highly secretive agency. They only discovered this thing decades and
41:07
Speaker 2: decades later when it was declassified more recently. I think
41:10
Speaker 2: Nick Pope might have had a role in that. Anyway.
41:12
Speaker 2: This this is actually a thing that investigated the various
41:17
Speaker 2: reports of unidentified objects flying around in the night sky
41:22
Speaker 2: that people started seeing after nineteen forty seven or forty
41:25
Speaker 2: six really, but forty seven, Yeah, this big breakout all
41:28
Speaker 2: of a sudden, specifically mostly around military bases in the
41:33
Speaker 2: UK and across the United States, mostly military bases. And yeah,
41:37
Speaker 2: mont Batten needed to think. He seems to have been
41:41
Speaker 2: the one who was playing the biggest role in trying
41:45
Speaker 2: to capture or create a new narrative of control over
41:50
Speaker 2: capturing the testimonials of what people, even civilians as well
41:55
Speaker 2: as unvetted military people would be seeing that in the
41:59
Speaker 2: night sky and then testing it out and well running
42:04
Speaker 2: this eight year this eight month report that Tizzard was
42:08
Speaker 2: overseeing directly. And now Tizzard plays a very important role
42:11
Speaker 2: because he's also the guy who was brought into establishing
42:15
Speaker 2: the Manhattan Project in nineteen forty through the Tizzard Commission
42:18
Speaker 2: of Washington. He's the one who taught Washington how to
42:21
Speaker 2: do secret science in the way that I described earlier,
42:25
Speaker 2: utilizing British standards of secrecy. Britain was sort of they
42:29
Speaker 2: honed the art of spycraft and secrecy, so they had
42:32
Speaker 2: a lot to teach their underlings in the United States.
42:35
Speaker 2: So the Manhattan Project grew out of his directum's directions.
42:39
Speaker 2: The growth of radar. He was overseeing the creation of
42:44
Speaker 2: radar systems, which could also play a role and did
42:47
Speaker 2: play a role in the creation of the UFO story.
42:50
Speaker 2: You know, you could easily create radar blips that would
42:53
Speaker 2: convince radar operators that they were seeing something that wasn't
42:55
Speaker 2: actually there, and like ninety percent of a lot of
42:58
Speaker 2: the sightings was things like that, and then other things
43:01
Speaker 2: was like you know, he oversaw in nineteen fifty one
43:06
Speaker 2: the creation of Project Artist Choke in America that became
43:09
Speaker 2: mk Ultra, which I also document a little bit. So
43:13
Speaker 2: he's a very very high level person in charge of
43:15
Speaker 2: a lot of moving parts that seemed different but the
43:18
Speaker 2: same thing, and Project blue Book in America that Charles Cabal,
43:23
Speaker 2: the second in command under under Ellen Dulles at the
43:26
Speaker 2: CIA overseas, he creates Project blue Book that's immediately done
43:31
Speaker 2: in the wake of the UK Flying Saucer Working Party
43:35
Speaker 2: to sort of continue that, and that goes on for
43:37
Speaker 2: many more years again to largely groom a new culture
43:43
Speaker 2: of UFO believers inside of the military and intelligence circles themselves.
43:48
Speaker 2: That's really the biggest focus during that time. Capture the
43:51
Speaker 2: minds and the minds of those who would normally be
43:56
Speaker 2: the defenders, the guardians of the society against the old.
44:00
Speaker 2: They have to be made more and more superstitious, and
44:03
Speaker 2: that was sort of the high task. And then when
44:05
Speaker 2: that could be done, then you have something sufficient that
44:07
Speaker 2: will either participate in or shut up. When you kill
44:11
Speaker 2: a John F. Kennedy or a Bobby Kennedy, you know
44:13
Speaker 2: you got something in there that will we'll be more
44:16
Speaker 2: useful at playing the game because all of a sudden,
44:19
Speaker 2: if there's if you're living in a universe where we're
44:22
Speaker 2: in our elites are interfacing with aliens that must be
44:26
Speaker 2: more than human, you know, deeper down the evolutionary plane,
44:29
Speaker 2: or that are interfacing from another dimension. Then there's a
44:33
Speaker 2: mystical universe that evil might be needed to do the good,
44:37
Speaker 2: you know, and all of a sudden, people can rationalize
44:39
Speaker 2: things and go along with things that they would normally
44:44
Speaker 2: never go along with if you could make them crazy
44:46
Speaker 2: enough so that that I think was the big driver
44:49
Speaker 2: of mount Batten and tiz Art and what they're doing,
44:53
Speaker 2: and Cabbell and Ellen Dellis and what they're doing politically
44:56
Speaker 2: should not be separated from what they're doing on the
44:59
Speaker 2: UFO research front. It's it's again, I know so many
45:04
Speaker 2: people who compartmentalize those things because they really want to
45:07
Speaker 2: believe the UFO story that's been sold to them and
45:09
Speaker 2: that they that's sort of replacing their old perhaps Uh,
45:14
Speaker 2: it's it's become a new religion for so many people
45:16
Speaker 2: that they're they're willing to compartmentalize and overlook the political,
45:21
Speaker 2: destructive evil that was done by those very same people
45:24
Speaker 2: who are creating the foundations for this sacred lore because
45:29
Speaker 2: it troubles our our our whatever, but we have to
45:32
Speaker 2: see them as two sides of the same thing.
45:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. It is an incredible story how that
45:37
Speaker 1: has going going on. No, sorry, I just want to
45:39
Speaker 1: come back for a second to what you're saying about
45:41
Speaker 1: gnoscissism and whatnot. I realize them jumping around a little
45:43
Speaker 1: bit here, but but nonetheless, it was something occurred to
45:46
Speaker 1: me because you were talking about this gnostic urge to
45:50
Speaker 1: sort of merge good and evil and whatnot, and you
45:53
Speaker 1: were hinting at at George Lucas and I I realized
45:56
Speaker 1: that you were about to have done a rabbit hole there,
45:57
Speaker 1: and you don't want to go down there for this program. Peo,
46:00
Speaker 1: we'll do that in the future. Maybe we should do
46:01
Speaker 1: that in the future. But I just wanted to get
46:03
Speaker 1: your thoughts on It struck me that perhaps the whole
46:08
Speaker 1: Star Wars narrative, the you know, the light in the
46:11
Speaker 1: dark side of the Force, is just gnosticism pot repackaged.
46:15
Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, I like Star Wars the first three,
46:18
Speaker 2: the first three elast yes absolutely start Okay, So here's
46:23
Speaker 2: the thing I was and this I'm only going to
46:26
Speaker 2: scratch something that could be really unpacked. So George Lucas
46:31
Speaker 2: described as his yoda a man named Joseph Campbell and
46:37
Speaker 2: Joseph Campbell is a figure who was on the SRI
46:42
Speaker 2: Changing Images of Man projects, which was tied to the
46:45
Speaker 2: CIA in the nineteen seventies and nineteen seventy four to
46:47
Speaker 2: seventy five with Willis Harmon and Madeline Marilyn Ferguson right,
46:52
Speaker 2: the acquiring conspiracy woman who is Willis Herman's assistant and
46:57
Speaker 2: a follower of H. G. Wells. So anyway, Joseph Campbell
47:02
Speaker 2: is a follower and an innovator of directly Carl Jung.
47:07
Speaker 2: He was. He was part of something called the Aeronos
47:10
Speaker 2: conferences that Young had spearheaded in nineteen from nineteen thirty
47:14
Speaker 2: three until I think it's still going on every year.
47:18
Speaker 2: But he was an early founder and disciple of Young
47:21
Speaker 2: on this. He was also before that a follower of
47:27
Speaker 2: any Besons world teacher. What was this Christian Mordy, So
47:32
Speaker 2: he was he went to Christian Mordy's castle. Christian Mordy
47:35
Speaker 2: had some Norwegian royal donated castle to him in the
47:38
Speaker 2: twenties to teach you know, Enlightenment, the New Age. Before
47:45
Speaker 2: that was before Christian Mordy broke away and said, I
47:46
Speaker 2: don't want to be the Messiah anymore. So Joseph Campbell
47:50
Speaker 2: was was pretty deep in it early on, and and
47:53
Speaker 2: again he was the one who co founded the Bowlinggen Conferences,
47:56
Speaker 2: the Bulligan Institute that that that codified all of Carl
48:00
Speaker 2: Jung's works and promoted that with the Melon family. Very
48:03
Speaker 2: very deeply embedded in this was the Melon family. Mary
48:06
Speaker 2: Melon and Paul Melon were some of the earliest promoters
48:09
Speaker 2: and disciples of Jung, who was also an agent for
48:14
Speaker 2: the OSS. He was giving from Switzerland a variety of
48:20
Speaker 2: insights to Ellen Dellis directly, who was also deployed to
48:22
Speaker 2: Switzerland on psychological warfare during the war and after the war.
48:28
Speaker 2: All I have to say, Joseph Campbell writes the Hero
48:30
Speaker 2: with a Thousand Faces, he's looking at how to create
48:32
Speaker 2: sacred stories, and his assignment with mercea Eliad who's also
48:37
Speaker 2: part of the aeronos conferences that become the basis for
48:40
Speaker 2: the Esslent Institute in America in sixty two. It's but
48:44
Speaker 2: the first the first iteration of this was aeronos At
48:48
Speaker 2: in Switzerland Montevrita. So he he's looking at all of
48:53
Speaker 2: the sacred lures of indigenous societies, African societies, like, what
48:59
Speaker 2: are what are the common traits of the sacred stories
49:02
Speaker 2: of these various tribal cultures to try to extract, well,
49:06
Speaker 2: what are the essentials what are the essential behavioral traits
49:10
Speaker 2: of these tribal cultures in terms of you know, ayahuasca, peyote,
49:14
Speaker 2: other things. But but but the attributes he's looking for
49:17
Speaker 2: the stories are the archetypes where and he developed some
49:20
Speaker 2: a thesis around the hero's journey and the the idea
49:23
Speaker 2: of like interfacing within any type of story that will
49:27
Speaker 2: have any claim to universality, you have to have these
49:30
Speaker 2: attributes of the hero's journey of somebody who uh goes
49:34
Speaker 2: to the guardian of the threshold sort of their shadow
49:36
Speaker 2: self that they they have to do battle with. You know,
49:39
Speaker 2: you have that definitely that with with Luke Skywalker and
49:42
Speaker 2: his father. There's a there's a certain mother quality h
49:45
Speaker 2: that that that that's pervasive within these stories. And there's
49:48
Speaker 2: there's certain light darkness, dualisms, a battle of demons and
49:53
Speaker 2: angels that you know, manifest in different cultures in different ways.
49:58
Speaker 2: But he he right, the hero with a thousand faces,
50:02
Speaker 2: a very popular book that George Lucas is super influenced by.
50:05
Speaker 2: He calls him his Yoda, like I said, his mentor,
50:08
Speaker 2: and a number of occasions, and it gives him the
50:10
Speaker 2: key to craft this very what, what is very self
50:14
Speaker 2: consciously new sacred lore for America. Because he's like Lucas
50:18
Speaker 2: gave an interview, is like the problem was there wasn't there.
50:21
Speaker 2: America didn't have sacred folk stories. All we had were
50:24
Speaker 2: cowboy westerns. And he's like, we needed to create something
50:28
Speaker 2: new for the twenty first century and beyond that would
50:30
Speaker 2: infuse the best of Grail myths. You know, the Grail
50:35
Speaker 2: myths were the things that were a big propaganda tool.
50:39
Speaker 2: A lot of it was being promoted by the troubadours
50:42
Speaker 2: during the Middle Ages that would that that batalized and
50:46
Speaker 2: created these these over the top accounts of you know,
50:50
Speaker 2: King Arthur and Galahad and the Excalibur and the Knights
50:53
Speaker 2: of the Roundtable that had nothing to do with the
50:55
Speaker 2: real Arthur from the sixth century, like these are all
50:57
Speaker 2: just made up six hundred, seven hundred years later as
51:02
Speaker 2: as ways to romanticize going off to fighting demons and
51:06
Speaker 2: dragons and things and saving dambles that want to, you know,
51:09
Speaker 2: and so you had this. This was part of the crafting,
51:11
Speaker 2: the grooming of the new knighthoods, the Teutonic Knights, the
51:15
Speaker 2: Spanish Knights, the Templar, the hospitaleries, like the way you
51:18
Speaker 2: would recruit useful idiots to go off and fight crusades
51:22
Speaker 2: and be a part of these these complexes which themselves
51:26
Speaker 2: had a Gnostic inner core, the Hospitalleries which became the
51:28
Speaker 2: Knights of Malta, the Templars, which were nominally taken down,
51:33
Speaker 2: but they took on a few different forms iterations going
51:36
Speaker 2: up through the Jesuits. As Albert Pike had said, they
51:38
Speaker 2: were all part of this Gnostic inner. I guess you
51:43
Speaker 2: could think of them as like the the stay behinds,
51:46
Speaker 2: you know, like they nominally took down the Gnostics in
51:49
Speaker 2: the fourth century, but they actually didn't go away. Some
51:52
Speaker 2: of them left, but other ones were rebranded into various
51:55
Speaker 2: Christian veneer and and worked to subdue the the the
52:02
Speaker 2: viable parts of Christianity from within. And this is what
52:05
Speaker 2: seated things like the Templars, is what oversaw the crafting
52:08
Speaker 2: of the Crusades, the forever wars of religions that undid
52:13
Speaker 2: so much good that was happening prior to that, in
52:15
Speaker 2: the eighth and ninth centuries, eight tenth centuries, there was
52:17
Speaker 2: a lot of good happening amongst various cultures that were
52:20
Speaker 2: learning how to work together on a higher on a
52:23
Speaker 2: higher moral plane, that was avoiding wars and creating all
52:28
Speaker 2: sorts of Renaissance dynamics left and right, from the the
52:32
Speaker 2: Abbasid dynasty, the Krolinian, the Chinese Tang dynasty, you all
52:36
Speaker 2: had this this wonderful synergy going on that all had
52:40
Speaker 2: to come undone, which again the Grail myths, the Grail
52:44
Speaker 2: knights that were managing the the the new forever wars
52:50
Speaker 2: that were the Crusades. That was what was re revived
52:53
Speaker 2: with the new Crusaders in America and Aquino and others like.
52:59
Speaker 2: That's why they that's why Himmler called his his inner
53:01
Speaker 2: guard SS the new Templars. That's why this thing, this
53:07
Speaker 2: this sort of templar cult was part was also infused
53:12
Speaker 2: into it was it was heavily rosecicrusion. The rose acrusion
53:15
Speaker 2: symbolism involves the integration of of of the male and
53:19
Speaker 2: the feminine right. You have these androgenous symbols and imagery.
53:24
Speaker 2: It's not just just bath Met, but it's also bath Met.
53:27
Speaker 2: A lot of it continued on, and that's a that's
53:30
Speaker 2: a big part of the Temple of Set. That's a
53:32
Speaker 2: big part of a lot of these things. And anyway, yeah,
53:36
Speaker 2: I think that I guess I made a short story
53:38
Speaker 2: long because that is actually what George Lucas is animated by,
53:43
Speaker 2: is how to create a new set of sacred stories
53:46
Speaker 2: that would create And I think he was taking a
53:47
Speaker 2: lot of this from l Ron Hubbard and l Ron
53:49
Speaker 2: Hubbard's cosmology that he popularized in his science fiction books
53:53
Speaker 2: before enduring his space operas, before and during the creation
53:57
Speaker 2: of Scientology, which involves, you know, a galaxy seventy billion
54:00
Speaker 2: years ago in a galaxy far far away, you have
54:02
Speaker 2: a galactic federation and rebels battling the federation. That it
54:06
Speaker 2: also involves channeling demon spirits and astral projection, and some
54:10
Speaker 2: of these followers of one of the key bad guys
54:14
Speaker 2: ends up like coming into this zone of Earth and
54:17
Speaker 2: get Yeah, they tied into a nuclear bomb and they're
54:20
Speaker 2: just living in torture like hell fire, like like like
54:24
Speaker 2: or hell Raiser, you know that horror movie it's like
54:25
Speaker 2: that's what they're living in for for millennia, and then
54:27
Speaker 2: all of a sudden they get out and they just
54:29
Speaker 2: infuse themselves into the new beings of that that are
54:32
Speaker 2: human beings that come out of of, you know, some
54:35
Speaker 2: weird spiritual war, and that we're all composed of different
54:38
Speaker 2: particles of these demonic tortured beings, and that's the cause
54:41
Speaker 2: of all mental sickness. And you can get out of
54:44
Speaker 2: that if you go through scientology and do diynetics. So anyway,
54:49
Speaker 2: that all has a lot of overlap, and I think
54:51
Speaker 2: a lot of that cosmology played into the creation of
54:53
Speaker 2: the general framework of Star Wars, which again, like you said,
54:57
Speaker 2: has a very force of dark. Force of good is
55:01
Speaker 2: equal counterbalancing forces that can be tapped into by generally
55:06
Speaker 2: hereditary bloodlines. Most of the Jedi have some form of
55:10
Speaker 2: hereditary power latent within their blood. So you have this
55:14
Speaker 2: sacred blood idea that allows you to tap into the
55:17
Speaker 2: real force, the force. I think that's what the real
55:19
Speaker 2: force was of bulber Ritten and the real society of
55:22
Speaker 2: the Nazis and the Theosophists earlier. They all have this
55:26
Speaker 2: idea and you could use it for good or for
55:27
Speaker 2: bad and you have it in the New Age Christian cults.
55:29
Speaker 2: You know, like a lot of a lot of modern
55:31
Speaker 2: Christians or a lot of the people who are good
55:34
Speaker 2: people support Donald Trump and others, but a lot of
55:36
Speaker 2: them you listen to them talk, they think like this,
55:39
Speaker 2: that they their relationship to Jesus or the Bible is
55:42
Speaker 2: like invocations of you know, a prayer is an invocation.
55:47
Speaker 2: They think that you could do good white magic through Jesus.
55:51
Speaker 2: That's what they're thinking of when they think of their
55:53
Speaker 2: relationship to Jesus as white magic versus the counterbalance black
55:56
Speaker 2: magic that needs like white warriors to counterbalance the Black Lodge,
56:01
Speaker 2: the Great White Lodge versus the Great Black Lodge of
56:03
Speaker 2: Blovatsky right that has its white hats versus black hats.
56:07
Speaker 2: And they're all like using secret powers. But it all
56:10
Speaker 2: just becomes like like like a Marvel Comics fairy tale
56:14
Speaker 2: where you're just a plead wondering, like what these superheroes
56:16
Speaker 2: are doing. You can't really know the superheroes are gonna
56:19
Speaker 2: save the world. And it seems to me that Jack,
56:22
Speaker 2: Kirby and Stanley are also part of this too. That's unfortunate.
56:25
Speaker 1: That is fascinating it's been a fascinating conversation. But just
56:28
Speaker 1: just to finish off, they it sort of hawks back
56:31
Speaker 1: to the same question asked about. Okay, no bit if
56:33
Speaker 1: we Obviously, one of the other big sort of popular
56:36
Speaker 1: culture television shows that was really influential in this area
56:39
Speaker 1: of UFO was the X Files, as you mentioned them already.
56:43
Speaker 1: Was that when we see, you know, a product like
56:47
Speaker 1: that coming out of a television studio or whatever, is
56:53
Speaker 1: is that a group of writers reflecting what they say
56:56
Speaker 1: around them or is that in fact centrally channeled that's
57:02
Speaker 1: something that's come from the psychological operation people have been
57:05
Speaker 1: effectively employed to produce a narrative over an x number
57:09
Speaker 1: of series.
57:10
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's a bit of both. You know,
57:11
Speaker 2: like this, this thing took on a life of its own.
57:14
Speaker 2: I think people were probably more self aware of what
57:17
Speaker 2: this was when HG. Wells was very self aware of
57:20
Speaker 2: the joke that he was putting out there, and who
57:23
Speaker 2: would be allowed to know what the joke was about,
57:25
Speaker 2: and who was supposed to believe the you know, who
57:28
Speaker 2: was not supposed to be in on it. But the
57:30
Speaker 2: more this thing takes hold of our culture, which is
57:33
Speaker 2: a very very powerful thing the culture. It shapes our
57:36
Speaker 2: subconscious qualities in a deeper way than people realize it.
57:41
Speaker 2: People could think that they're having their own creative ideas
57:44
Speaker 2: and it's actually not really coming from them, you know.
57:46
Speaker 2: Like I remember being younger and getting stoned, you know,
57:51
Speaker 2: sitting in a in a in a in a field
57:54
Speaker 2: with some friends looking at the stars and thinking that
57:57
Speaker 2: we're all in a computer simulation in and maybe we're
58:02
Speaker 2: all a video game being played by aliens. And I
58:04
Speaker 2: remember thinking like how profound and original those thoughts were.
58:07
Speaker 2: And now, in hindsight, it's just pathetic to think, like
58:10
Speaker 2: now that those thoughts didn't come from any of us. Now, imagine,
58:14
Speaker 2: you know, if we actually had if me or any
58:16
Speaker 2: of my friends actually had skills at going or a
58:20
Speaker 2: desire to go into creative fiction writing, we might get
58:23
Speaker 2: a contract, you know, and obviously our stories that we
58:26
Speaker 2: would come up with from either a book or a
58:28
Speaker 2: comic book that we would create, or maybe a script
58:31
Speaker 2: that we would do for Netflix. Maybe it would have
58:34
Speaker 2: our own coloring of our personality that would uniquely distinguish it,
58:38
Speaker 2: but the general archetypal stories that we would be channeling,
58:42
Speaker 2: thinking that they are our own, would actually not be
58:45
Speaker 2: coming from us. So I think the vast majority of
58:47
Speaker 2: people probably are just being themselves on the script team,
58:52
Speaker 2: on the production teams. But I do think that you
58:56
Speaker 2: have key figures from the top, not very many who
59:00
Speaker 2: are nudging the thing overseeing what what elements go into
59:05
Speaker 2: Certain scripts get infused into even vocals within within musical
59:09
Speaker 2: sort music musical compositions from Lady Gaga or others. I
59:13
Speaker 2: don't think that they're in control fully of their of
59:16
Speaker 2: their production in any way, so that if you want
59:19
Speaker 2: to have like some predictive programming thrown into some Simpson
59:22
Speaker 2: episodes or in some some X Files episodes that might
59:26
Speaker 2: put forth some messaging that might be useful later on,
59:29
Speaker 2: you know, it's a gamble because the only gar Kid
59:31
Speaker 2: doesn't control everything. They want to give us the impression
59:33
Speaker 2: that they controlled everything, but they will infuse a lot
59:36
Speaker 2: of things that are part of scripts that they have
59:40
Speaker 2: in play. They're operating on scenarios like you know, Molder
59:44
Speaker 2: and Scully all of a sudden having a discussion about
59:49
Speaker 2: some some biological warfare operation done to shut down, to
59:53
Speaker 2: take away civil liberties and to get everybody to wear
59:56
Speaker 2: masks and to get you know, experimentally. Jack gans to like,
1:00:01
Speaker 2: they'll have this little five minute aside during one of
1:00:05
Speaker 2: the stories in the X Files that I think was
1:00:07
Speaker 2: put there, not to say that they weren't necessarily going
1:00:09
Speaker 2: to do it that way, but it was it was
1:00:11
Speaker 2: something that they were gaming, so they're like, well, if
1:00:13
Speaker 2: we do it, then these things become like signals that
1:00:20
Speaker 2: we can refer back to that will create a certain
1:00:23
Speaker 2: psychological effect on the population. They do it in QAnon
1:00:26
Speaker 2: a lot too. You know. QAnon has all sorts of
1:00:28
Speaker 2: things within the messaging that sort of came about in
1:00:31
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen that are very cript.
1:00:33
Speaker 1: And of course that psychological effect is massive when somebody
1:00:37
Speaker 1: then comes along and posts the clip on the social
1:00:39
Speaker 1: media and says, look what I find. And the effect
1:00:42
Speaker 1: that that has on people, you know, the Simpsons predictions
1:00:47
Speaker 1: are key quite is huge.
1:00:49
Speaker 2: So big. Yeah, that has a huge effect on people's
1:00:51
Speaker 2: minds and drives some kind of nuts because then they'll
1:00:53
Speaker 2: then you get a whole bunch of people who are
1:00:55
Speaker 2: walking around saying, look, this is all a conspiracy. It
1:00:58
Speaker 2: was on the Simpsons, and then you kind of undo
1:01:01
Speaker 2: the potential disruptive influence of people who are actually truth
1:01:05
Speaker 2: seekers trying to do something about the conspiracy. Well, you've
1:01:08
Speaker 2: just castrated them. You've made them impotent because they're referring
1:01:11
Speaker 2: back to the Simpsons or X files for their reference point,
1:01:14
Speaker 2: and people who are who are totally immersed in the
1:01:17
Speaker 2: normal narratives are just going to immediately shut that down. Yeah, totally.
1:01:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to say thank you very much. This
1:01:24
Speaker 1: has been a fascinating conversation. What comes in the next
1:01:27
Speaker 1: episode and when can we expect it?
1:01:29
Speaker 2: These things do take time and energy and everything and
1:01:33
Speaker 2: money to have to raise money, but each one is
1:01:36
Speaker 2: a real endeavor. But the next one we're hoping to
1:01:40
Speaker 2: get out maybe spring twenty twenty five. They're a bit slow,
1:01:45
Speaker 2: but it's like I said, when people watch them, they
1:01:47
Speaker 2: they'll see why it takes time. They're real full productions.
1:01:50
Speaker 2: And again we have Jason Dahl, my video producer friend
1:01:54
Speaker 2: genius and Cynthia and myself. We're really just three people
1:01:57
Speaker 2: making these things happen. But the next one is going
1:02:00
Speaker 2: to be about UFO cults, so that that that that's
1:02:05
Speaker 2: gonna be something that surprises people. Going back to we're
1:02:08
Speaker 2: gonna we're gonna look at the Mormons, the Swedenborgians. But
1:02:10
Speaker 2: we're gonna, like obviously look at a lot of the
1:02:12
Speaker 2: stuff that really burst it out onto the scene, coming
1:02:14
Speaker 2: out mostly of Rosa Crucian groups and Theosophy groups in
1:02:18
Speaker 2: the United States especially, but you had it in Europe
1:02:21
Speaker 2: as well throughout the Cold War. And how that stuff
1:02:25
Speaker 2: impacts political intelligence and geopolitical operations that happen on the Earth.
1:02:31
Speaker 2: And you know, like the way things are going and
1:02:33
Speaker 2: the way things are being set up, they're gonna be
1:02:37
Speaker 2: doing the Edward Lansdale operation sooner than later. They're already
1:02:40
Speaker 2: starting it, like in the in the the mainstream messaging
1:02:43
Speaker 2: on CNN, they got congressional hearings on UFO disclosure, and
1:02:46
Speaker 2: there's already evidence that they've tried out holograms in the
1:02:50
Speaker 2: in the skies above above Brazil, showcasing in one case
1:02:55
Speaker 2: it was Jesus that was that was projected onto the
1:02:58
Speaker 2: skies just to see how people would react. This is
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Speaker 2: what Edward Lansdale was already innovating back in the in
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Speaker 2: the late fifties when they were trying to figure out
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Speaker 2: how to overthrow Castro or six early sixties by doing illumination,
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Speaker 2: elimination through illumination Project lights call it the Messiah's Come
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Speaker 2: wants the Cubans to and demand that the Cubans overthrow
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Speaker 2: Castro because he's the Antichrist. And that was actually Edward Lansdale,
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Speaker 2: the guy who runs Operation Phoenix and a Quino. So
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Speaker 2: they didn't have the technology to do it in a
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Speaker 2: convincing way then, although they did have certain you know,
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Speaker 2: certain things experimental aircraft that they were playing with that
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Speaker 2: they got from the Nazis that would give people a
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Speaker 2: bit of a confusion. But all that to say, we
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Speaker 2: are going to be seeing more holograms, you know, increasingly,
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Speaker 2: and as this technology has improved quite a bit. This
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Speaker 2: will drive people crazy if they're not mentally very well
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Speaker 2: equipped to understand how they're being played. And before you
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Speaker 2: know what, things that seem fringe easy like scientology could
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Speaker 2: become if we allow this, the the dominant mainstream churches
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Speaker 2: twenty years from now. So, you know, like I said,
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Speaker 2: it's really really important that people just think about the
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Speaker 2: UFO calls. We're going to do a whole thing on that.
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Speaker 2: We're going to have a whole show on the CIA's
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Speaker 2: influence over science fiction, especially in the fifties, and to
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Speaker 2: the present day, which will go deeper into the George
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Speaker 2: Lucas and Steven Spielberg operation, Spielberg having Jalen Heineck as
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Speaker 2: his advisor on close Encounters of the third third kind
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Speaker 2: and his work on et highly highly shaped by these
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Speaker 2: intelligence agencies. And then we're going to go back to
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Speaker 2: some some of the political story once again, so it'll
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Speaker 2: be it'll be a weaving effect, but it'll it'll come
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Speaker 2: together pretty well. And like I said, that can be
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Speaker 2: watched on Canadian patriot dot org or people can can
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Speaker 2: actually at Canadian patrio dot org or I guess the
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Speaker 2: description box under this video as you mentioned, will host
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Speaker 2: those those videos too.
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Speaker 1: Yes, we'll have legs to everything on in the show
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Speaker 1: notes for this, So Matt, I'm going to say what
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Speaker 1: we need to leave it there for today, but thank
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Speaker 1: you very much. That has been fascinating and looking forward
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Speaker 1: to the next one.
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Speaker 2: Mmmmmmmmmmmm