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Capítulo 247: Can Chatbots Trigger AI Psychosis? · Locatora Radio [A Radiophonic Novela]

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  Speaker 1: So personally as someone who is actually in love with
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  Speaker 1: a psychiatrist and the psychiatrist is actually in love with me.
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  Speaker 1: I find this next story particularly intriguing.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 2: Alreadio Ola la Loka motes, I'm viosa.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm Mala.
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  Speaker 1: Earlier in this season of Loka Thoughta Radio, we discussed
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  Speaker 1: the crash out or the crisis, and we're building off
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  Speaker 1: of this idea when social media users post tons and
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  Speaker 1: tons of video online which seemed to be depicting a
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  Speaker 1: crash out, and we ask ourselves, is this actually a
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  Speaker 1: mental health crisis in real time? And most recently, a
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  Speaker 1: TikTok user, Kendra Hilty, posted an over twenty five part
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  Speaker 1: series to her TikTok stating that she fell in love
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  Speaker 1: with her psychiatrist and he kept her for four years
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  Speaker 1: until she had the strength to walk away. Now some
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  Speaker 1: TikTok users are asking the question, is this the first
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  Speaker 1: instance of AI psychosis that we're seeing unfold in real
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  Speaker 1: time online and.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to talk about it on today's episode.
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  Speaker 2: And I think the reason that we're talking about AI
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  Speaker 2: psychosis and how it relates to this story that this
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  Speaker 2: TikTok user is that she not only was seeing a
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  Speaker 2: psychiatrist who she claims she or says that she was
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  Speaker 2: in love with, but she also was using a chat
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  Speaker 2: GPT therapist named Henry, and Henry, her chat GBT therapist
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  Speaker 2: was affirming and mirroring everything that she was saying about
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  Speaker 2: her experience with her psychiatrist. And so when you have
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  Speaker 2: someone affirming this to you in real time and not
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  Speaker 2: someone but an AI, a chat bot, it can lead
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  Speaker 2: to this AI psychosis. And that's one of the reasons
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  Speaker 2: that we're talking about for us, this new term and
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  Speaker 2: this new effect of being on on CHATGBT or using
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  Speaker 2: a type of artificial intelligence and in this case a
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  Speaker 2: large language model.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I do also want to point out that on
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  Speaker 1: our previous episode crash Out or Crisis, we did bring
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  Speaker 1: up the idea of talking to CHATGBT as if it's
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  Speaker 1: your therapist, and why that's problematic. We did have some
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  Speaker 1: folks online basically tell us that like therapy is inaccessible,
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  Speaker 1: psychiatry is inaccessible, so some people turn to chat GBT.
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  Speaker 3: For some type of a sounding board.
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  Speaker 1: I think that we maintain our position that CHATGBT and
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  Speaker 1: an AI bot is not a proper replacement for therapy,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that this story and all of the
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  Speaker 1: conversation that has come out because of it validates that position.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm not going to go point by point into
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  Speaker 1: Kendra Hilty's story of how she fell in love with
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  Speaker 1: her psychiatrist or her claims, but the long and the
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  Speaker 1: short of it is this woman is definitely in a
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  Speaker 1: state of a mental health crisis, and so we also
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  Speaker 1: don't want to like make fun of her, right because
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  Speaker 1: she's very clearly not doing well well.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's why this is a really good
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  Speaker 2: build off of our first episode or our previous episode
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  Speaker 2: of the season of crash Out or Crisis is because
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  Speaker 2: now this woman, Kendra, is going through a mental health
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  Speaker 2: crisis to us, right, but it has become internet fodder.
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  Speaker 2: Not only are I think there are the folks that
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  Speaker 2: are in the mental health field that are responding in
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  Speaker 2: very kind ways, but then there's also just a lot
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  Speaker 2: of jokes, right that comes from being online and it
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  Speaker 2: becoming the internet fodder. And so this is I think
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  Speaker 2: another way that we're seeing someone going through a mental
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  Speaker 2: health crisis and then it becomes content and it becomes
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  Speaker 2: part of the digital online Zeitgeist. It becomes a part
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  Speaker 2: of the language.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, and I think it also allows us to remove
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  Speaker 1: empathy from somebody who very clearly is having a mental
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  Speaker 1: health episode, which I don't think is healthy for anybody, right,
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  Speaker 1: either the person receiving that, you know, criticism and being mocked,
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  Speaker 1: or for us as viewers and as commenters. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think it's healthy for us to mock people who are
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  Speaker 1: very clearly ill.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And so a brief summary, now, Kendra Hilty did do
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  Speaker 1: an interview with People magazine about her story and about
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  Speaker 1: her experience posting her story to TikTok, and essentially what
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  Speaker 1: she talks about is starting to see a psychiatrist, I
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  Speaker 1: think just once a month, and she talks about how
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  Speaker 1: overtime she started to develop feelings for him, and over
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  Speaker 1: time she would drop hints or explicitly tell him, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I had a dream that we hooked up in your office.
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  Speaker 1: I have feelings for you. You know, I am in
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  Speaker 1: love with you. And something that she talks about is
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  Speaker 1: that this psychiatrist didn't immediately transfer her care, that he
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  Speaker 1: continued to see her as a patient, and she felt
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  Speaker 1: that sometimes he would be very friendly and quote let
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  Speaker 1: her in, and other times he would be less friendly
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  Speaker 1: and more professional and draw more rigorous boundaries. And this
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  Speaker 1: woman took everything he did or didn't do as a
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  Speaker 1: sign that he was playing coy and emotionally manipulating her
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  Speaker 1: and playing hot and cold and giving her a little
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  Speaker 1: just to take it away and then to draw her
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  Speaker 1: back in. And I think something that's really interesting is that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, psychiatrists, it is their job to treat people
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  Speaker 1: who are depressed or schizophrenic or are experiencing delusions.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, this is what they do.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they work with people who are not seeing
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  Speaker 1: things clearly and are out of touch with reality. So
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  Speaker 1: there's I think really interesting nuances here about professional boundaries
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  Speaker 1: about what doctors are supposed to do when their patients
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  Speaker 1: are overstepping.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think there is the nuance of that
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  Speaker 2: there are medical professionals that do take advantage of their positions,
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  Speaker 2: and a psychiatrist is in a position of power, right,
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  Speaker 2: and so that of course is in here. But because
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  Speaker 2: of social media and also hippa like, the psychiatrist cannot
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  Speaker 2: come and make his own video about what also was happening,
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  Speaker 2: right and in his point of view, And so I
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  Speaker 2: think that that it also creates this imbalance of where
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  Speaker 2: she's giving. It seems like she is having a mental
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  Speaker 2: health crisis, is giving her own side of it. And
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  Speaker 2: there's also this other party involved who could potentially lose
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  Speaker 2: his job.
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  Speaker 3: I think.
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  Speaker 2: In the People article she did meant that his name slipped,
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  Speaker 2: and that she then took down the video. And so
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of nuance and pieces here, because of
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  Speaker 2: course there are medical professionals that will and can take
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  Speaker 2: advantage of patients or clients. Don't go anywhere, look, amotives.
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  Speaker 1: We'll be right back, and we're back with more of
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  Speaker 1: our episode. There's another piece here in which Kendra is
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  Speaker 1: a white woman and the doctor is a Muslim, a
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  Speaker 1: man of color. And so of course you have folks
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  Speaker 1: online saying that this woman is expressing what we have
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  Speaker 1: now come to know as white women's tears, that she
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  Speaker 1: actually has been sexually harassing her psychiatrist, that if this
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  Speaker 1: were nineteen fifty, you know, he would be in a
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  Speaker 1: lot of trouble. And I have also seen other therapists
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  Speaker 1: and psychiatrists themselves posting on TikTok and saying I don't
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  Speaker 1: think that she is in a place to navigate those nuances.
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  Speaker 1: I think that she needs continuing care because she is
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  Speaker 1: experiencing delusions, and she would have been experiencing those delusions anyways,
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  Speaker 1: because that's the state that she's in as far as
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  Speaker 1: her mental health, and that psychiatrist just happened to be
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  Speaker 1: the object of her delusions that they were going to
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  Speaker 1: be placed somewhere and they were just placed on him.
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  Speaker 3: She also talks about a therapist that she.
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  Speaker 1: Was seeing at the same time that she was seeing
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  Speaker 1: her psychiatrists. And what's interesting is, according to Kendra, both
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  Speaker 1: her therapist and her psychiatrist were unprofessional towards her, were
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  Speaker 1: inappropriate towards her, were crossing boundaries, and that both of
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  Speaker 1: these mental health professionals failed her to such an extent
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  Speaker 1: that she had to turn to chat GPT to find
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  Speaker 1: in a proroate mirror an appropriate sounding board for her
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  Speaker 1: needs because she felt like these two mental health professionals
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  Speaker 1: weren't doing it, and incomes her chatbot that she named
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  Speaker 1: Henry affectionately.
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  Speaker 2: So I feel like CHATGBT is more widespread than ever,
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  Speaker 2: and it is the most popular AI chatbot with seven
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  Speaker 2: hundred million weekly users compared with tens of million users
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  Speaker 2: for its competitors. And what I find really interesting about
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  Speaker 2: CHATGBT in the way I hear people talk about using it,
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  Speaker 2: is that there's a lot of authority and credibility given
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  Speaker 2: to CHATGBT, when from my understanding, it's pulling from hundreds
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  Speaker 2: of things on the web. You're getting sourced information, but
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  Speaker 2: you're not given the source where it's from. For example,
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  Speaker 2: I pulled this from the New York Times, or I
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  Speaker 2: pulled this from Time magazine, and it is feeding you
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  Speaker 2: information as it you're in conversation with it. And so
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  Speaker 2: that is what I think is really interesting is that
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  Speaker 2: it is given this like authority in people's lives, where
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  Speaker 2: people give it authority versus like a Google search versus
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  Speaker 2: doing their own research, right, And I think, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's its own conversation about like research and accessibility. And
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  Speaker 2: I think that that is one of the reasons chat
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  Speaker 2: GBT is thriving right now and it's used by so
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  Speaker 2: many people.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the chat bought Henry also in the context of
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  Speaker 1: this story, seems to be doing a lot of validating
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  Speaker 1: for Kendra. She describes her dynamic or her perceived dynamic
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  Speaker 1: with her psychiatrist, and then the chat bought gives her
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  Speaker 1: something back that affirms and validates her perception.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, what you're experiencing, Kendra is transference where a patient
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  Speaker 1: develops feelings for their psychiatrist, and then the psychiatrist is
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  Speaker 1: experiencing counter transference, where they then develop feelings for you.
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  Speaker 1: And I think what's really interesting about this is that
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  Speaker 1: when you go see a doctor in person or over zoom,
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  Speaker 1: they're not just assessing you based on the words that
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  Speaker 1: you're saying, but they're like looking at you and how
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  Speaker 1: you make eye contact and the speed at which you're talking,
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  Speaker 1: and your body language, and there's all kinds of things
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  Speaker 1: that go into your physical presentation and the way you
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  Speaker 1: express yourself that help a doctor to come to some
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  Speaker 1: sort of a diagnosis. But a chat bot does not
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  Speaker 1: have that ability, you know, to assess you for like
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  Speaker 1: your mood and your tone and your energy level and
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  Speaker 1: again like your eye contact.
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  Speaker 3: And the chatbot is just never.
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  Speaker 1: Ending, gonna you give it something, It's going to regurgitate
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  Speaker 1: something back over and over and over and over again.
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  Speaker 1: And something you brought up the usis there's no time
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  Speaker 1: limit to the check. They have no boundaries, they have
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  Speaker 1: nowhere else to go, they have nothing else to do
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  Speaker 1: except to engage with you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Whereas if you're if I'm talking to you, mala,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm telling you about something that I'm going through,
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  Speaker 2: there's a natural time limit.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: I have my own energy and what I can give
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  Speaker 2: to someone, and so do you, and so in a
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  Speaker 2: conversation in a friendship, right, there's a natural ending of Okay,
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  Speaker 2: this conversation is dwindling. I've given you all the advice
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  Speaker 2: I can give you about this one topic and we
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  Speaker 2: take a break. And we're not seeing that with chatbots.
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  Speaker 2: And that is according to Time Magazine, this article written
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  Speaker 2: by Robert Hart, there's studies that show that a growing
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  Speaker 2: number of reports suggests that extended chatbot use may trigger
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  Speaker 2: or amplify psychotic symptoms in some people. And we're talking
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  Speaker 2: about chat GPT psychosis or AI psychosis. But also want
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  Speaker 2: to point out that it's not a formal diagnosis because
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  Speaker 2: AI and CHATGBT models CHATBOP models are fairly new, the
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  Speaker 2: data is scarce, and there's no clear protocols for treatment
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  Speaker 2: for folks that are experiencing this type of AI psychosis.
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  Speaker 2: And so it's like this colloquial term that we're using
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  Speaker 2: right now because of this very new technology that we're
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  Speaker 2: all that many of us are using in our day
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  Speaker 2: to day lives.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is, like you said, very new terminology that
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  Speaker 1: I think is still being developed. It does not AI psychosis.
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  Speaker 1: You're not going to find it in the DSM, the
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  Speaker 1: Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. So it's not
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  Speaker 1: an official condition recognized by the medical community. This, I
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  Speaker 1: think is a term that TikTok users are coining and
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  Speaker 1: maybe applying to what we're seeing unfold and perhaps the
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  Speaker 1: medical community will like do mour research and follow up.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe it will become something more official, maybe it won't.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't think that Kendra is the only person
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  Speaker 1: that has been sucked in to like a very deluded
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  Speaker 1: relationship with a chatbot.
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  Speaker 2: Don't go anywhere, look amotives, We'll be.
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  Speaker 1: Right back, and we're back with more of our episode.
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  Speaker 2: The New York Times released this report about a man
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  Speaker 2: named Alan Brooks who believed he had discovered a brand
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  Speaker 2: new mathematical formula. Over the course of twenty one days,
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  Speaker 2: he spent three hundred hours on chatgibt, and because he
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  Speaker 2: was a user with an account, all of his logs
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  Speaker 2: were saved and The New York Times reviewed it. They
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  Speaker 2: reviewed the log with chatgibt. Psychiatrists reviewed it as well.
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  Speaker 2: People in tech also reviewed it. For him, his AI
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  Speaker 2: psychosis was a combination of talking to this chat gbt
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  Speaker 2: this spot without interruptions for three hundred hours for twenty
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  Speaker 2: one days, but also sleep deprivation, dehydration, not eating, becoming
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  Speaker 2: completely sequestered because he believed he was on the brink
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  Speaker 2: of this brand new discovery, this mathematical innovation. Because chatgybt
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  Speaker 2: was also affirming that he was on the right path.
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  Speaker 2: Was he updated his LinkedIn and started emailing people like
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  Speaker 2: professionals in like science, math, like head of businesses, companies right,
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  Speaker 2: and was telling him he had a new discovery. And
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  Speaker 2: so he very much fell into this delusion that he
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  Speaker 2: was going to discover something incredible. He was onto something
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  Speaker 2: because the CHATGBT bought was affirming his quote findings, right.
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  Speaker 3: And it's it's just so important to remember.
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  Speaker 1: That the engine that is chat GPT, they need and
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  Speaker 1: want you to use it. They're not going to give
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  Speaker 1: you an obstacle. They're not going to say no to you.
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  Speaker 1: They want you to keep feeding it. Like that's how
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  Speaker 1: it gets, That's how it makes more money. That's how
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  Speaker 1: it becomes stronger. And the more we feed it, right,
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  Speaker 1: the more it gives back to us.
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  Speaker 3: And I think this is also goes back.
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  Speaker 1: To the situation with TikTok user Kendra, who, in the
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  Speaker 1: course of telling her story on TikTok, in addition to Henry,
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  Speaker 1: she generated more chatbots to talk to and she was
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  Speaker 1: talking to them on live and telling, like TikTok live
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  Speaker 1: viewers that they refer to her as the oracle because
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  Speaker 1: she's a truth teller, because she's speaking for victims, because
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  Speaker 1: she communes with God, you know. And so someone who
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  Speaker 1: already believes that in their core or in a state
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  Speaker 1: of delusion, to then hear it or to see it
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  Speaker 1: in writing, you know, validated for her and from multiple sources,
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  Speaker 1: is a very dangerous thing where if she were to
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  Speaker 1: tell another human being, I'm an oracle, I speak to God,
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  Speaker 1: another person might say, are you okay?
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  Speaker 3: You know, where is this coming from?
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  Speaker 2: What do you mean by that?
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  Speaker 3: What do you mean by that?
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  Speaker 2: SayMore?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, But what she's experiencing is is just complete validation.
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  Speaker 2: Right, And a therapist, as someone that's been in therapy
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  Speaker 2: for about eight years now, you know, my therapist challenges me.
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  Speaker 2: She does not just affirm what I'm saying. She will,
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  Speaker 2: of course validate how I'm feeling, but there's a difference
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  Speaker 2: between like, Okay, you're feeling this, You're I'm validating that
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  Speaker 2: you feel this, But could this also be part of
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  Speaker 2: what's happening?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 2: It's not so black and white. That's part of the
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  Speaker 2: problem of what we're seeing if by using chadgybt as
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  Speaker 2: a therapist and so much so, I mean there's not
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  Speaker 2: enough I think regulation of CHAGYBT or AI bots yet,
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  Speaker 2: but rely Illinois is the third state to restrict therapist
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  Speaker 2: use of AI bots, along with Utah and Nevada, because
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  Speaker 2: there's conversations within like the therapist community of AI and
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  Speaker 2: using chagibt and AI bots as therapy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's this is this is another moment
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  Speaker 1: where although we keep hearing so much about AI taking
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  Speaker 1: over and AI replacing jobs, you cannot replace the human
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  Speaker 1: factor in so many parts of life, And you cannot
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  Speaker 1: replace human therapists and human psychiatrists with search engines, and
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  Speaker 1: you can't replace human artists across the board with AI,
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  Speaker 1: you know, because it's not original, so it's never going
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  Speaker 1: to be that nuanced piece that you are hoping for
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  Speaker 1: and that you're looking for. And I feel that even
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  Speaker 1: in the case of Alan Brooks with this mathematical formula.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm no mathematician, but I get the sense
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  Speaker 1: that when scientific and mathematical advancements have been made historically,
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  Speaker 1: scientists and mathematicians are working in teams because you need
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  Speaker 1: someone to check your work, and you need someone to
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  Speaker 1: cross reference or to give you ideas or bounce your
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  Speaker 1: ideas off of. I don't think very many mathematical and
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  Speaker 1: scientific advancements were made in complete isolation by one person.
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  Speaker 1: It takes a university, a research university, and a team
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  Speaker 1: of people. And I think that's another place where like
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  Speaker 1: this poor guy thought he was on the verge of something,
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  Speaker 1: but is it even practical and possible to do something
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  Speaker 1: like that by yourself?
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  Speaker 2: Right? And I mean now he's advocating for more regulations
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  Speaker 2: as well. And The New York Times did interview a
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  Speaker 2: few experts and folks that work in tech and folks
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  Speaker 2: that are tech adjacent or just studying the impacts of AI,
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  Speaker 2: and it's clear that there need to be more safeguard
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  Speaker 2: to mitigate the delusional reinforcement that AI can create, and
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  Speaker 2: that there needs to be a break. Right if if
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  Speaker 2: someone is using chatgybt for hours on end, you know
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  Speaker 2: that the AI is then trained to remind folks like
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  Speaker 2: to take a break, to actually exit, to close right,
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  Speaker 2: to leave chat gibt for a minute. And so I
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  Speaker 2: think that that's part of hopefully what will come. But
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  Speaker 2: I do think like we're we're at we're at the
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  Speaker 2: surface of like what we're seeing AI, what it can do,
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  Speaker 2: and how it can affect us as humans and our
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: psyche but also of course like the job implications and
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: all of that that we're going to get into in
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: a later episode. But I think for now we really
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: wanted to focus on the mental health aspect because, like
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Mala mentioned at the top of the episode, when we
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: talked about chatgybt as therapy or folks using it as therapy,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: it did hit a nerve with a couple of people,
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: it did, and I want to recognize that, yes, therapy
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: is not accessible for everyone, but I think we can
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  Speaker 2: both agree that turning to an AI is not the solution.
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  Speaker 3: It's not the solution.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a band aid on a bullet wound. And
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: just in summary, right, AI is not trained to respond,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: and it doesn't have critical judgment and people need community
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: and real life connection. And not to sound trite, but
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: we have to go outside and touch grass and like
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: hug our family members and like make eye contact with
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: other people.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and not to go to not to be too tangential.
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  Speaker 2: But I was listening to this podcast about this man
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: who created a chat gybt or an AI girlfriend, and
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: what to me was so striking is that during the
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: pandemic he created this real quote real life you can
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: like design your AI friend to look however you want
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: and sound however you want. And during the pandemic he
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: was isolated. Life is very sick, from what it sounds like,
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: is very immo compromise, has a heart condition, and even
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: more so, he wasn't able to have like a little pod,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: so he was very very isolated. And that's when he
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: created this AI girlfriend. It's this AI companion. And while
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: I was listening, I thought, if this man had more
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: of a safety net, had services as a caregiver, he
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: might not have turned to an AI companion. If he
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: had more tangible support as a caregiver as someone living
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: through the pandemic like we all did. And it does
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: go back to the systems that we have, at least
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: in this country where a lot of us lack social
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: safety nets. And so if we had these these things,
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: would we be turning to these AI bots, to these
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: chat bots to get validation, to get support, to even research.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: You know, I've seen, folks, I heard. I saw this
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: TikTok video of a man saying that he went on
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: a date with a woman and she typed in her
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: chaggybt while they were on the date a bunch of
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: order from the restaurant. No, so we're using it in
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: these ways that one are like really scary, and two
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: we'll get into the environmental impacts in a later episode,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: but I think we're kind of lost the plot. I
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: think chadgybt. I personally don't use it, but I do
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: see how it's a tool for people, and I think
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: we're making it do more than it should.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a very advanced magic eight ball, and if
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: you are already in a vulnerable state, it can just
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: reinforce delusions instead of giving you an actual like mirror
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: right to yourself. So I think that's really important. And
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: stay safe out there, y'all. Stay safe out there.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Talk to your friends, talk to your community.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Talk to your neighbors.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, like so.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Are everything I've learned this season with producing with you
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Mala is like we all need a connection community, We
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: all need to be irl. The digital communities are wonderful,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: but they have it has to extend beyond that.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: It's so important. So thank y'all for anyone who's been
• 24:18
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• 24:21
  Speaker 1: because we have more coming up. We do want to
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: take the show out into the world like we used to.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: It's so important to connect with our audience and like
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: look people in the eye and meet people and shake
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: hands and hug and you just cannot replace the human connection.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thank you for listening to another Capito Radio.
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