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Killers Amongst Us: Murder on the Waxworm Farm (part 2) · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here. Welcome back to Killers amongst Us,
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  Speaker 1: a production of iHeartMedia and Crime Online. Blooming Prairie, Minnesota.
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  Speaker 1: A loving dad and husband is found dead in his
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  Speaker 1: own home, in his own bathroom, multiple gunshots throughout the
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  Speaker 1: torso and body. How did that happen? And his wife
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  Speaker 1: apparently kidnapped? Wife Lois is missing, husband Dave dead? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: see Grace, This is Killers amongst Us. After a couple
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  Speaker 1: of weeks, Dave's co workers finally decided to call the
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  Speaker 1: police to report him missing. He hadn't been seen or
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  Speaker 1: heard from, and his wife no longer appeared to be
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  Speaker 1: in town. One of Dave's friends told the police that
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  Speaker 1: they received an odd text message from Dave. The content
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  Speaker 1: of the message wasn't what seemed off. What was striking
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  Speaker 1: to the friend was the fact that the message used punctuation.
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  Speaker 1: Dave never used punctuation, not even a period, whenever he
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  Speaker 1: wrote a text message or an email. On March twenty third,
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  Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, after receiving the missing person's report, the police
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  Speaker 1: discovered Dave's body in the bathroom of his home. The
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  Speaker 1: investigator and corner weren't able to pinpoint the exact time
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  Speaker 1: or date that Dave died. His cell phone was found
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  Speaker 1: on the kitchen counter. Police believe that Dave probably had
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  Speaker 1: been dead when his friend received the text message, which
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  Speaker 1: meant someone else had undoubtedly sent the text message. You
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  Speaker 1: are hearing our friend Aaron Blewie in his little town
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  Speaker 1: of two thousand people, a murder was unheard of. Well.
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  Speaker 1: Law enforcement swarm the Prairie wat Worm Farm. Listen. Deputies
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  Speaker 1: were at the Prairie wax Worm Farm Saturday night. I'm
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  Speaker 1: told Reesa lives where Dodge County authorities are investigating, just
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  Speaker 1: right outside of town. Is it next to that Prairie
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  Speaker 1: wax worm farm. Yes, yeah, the house is located on
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  Speaker 1: the same property. Many versions of the story of what
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  Speaker 1: people think happened are going around town, but one thing
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  Speaker 1: is for certain. It's a situation affecting the entire community
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  Speaker 1: of Blooming Prairie. I had gone to bed Saturday night
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  Speaker 1: thinking about what a wonderful community this is because we
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  Speaker 1: had our Blooming Prairie Education Foundation auction, and then the
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  Speaker 1: next thing I know, I hear this and it's just yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it just seems unreal for our little community. Unreal. It
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  Speaker 1: seemed like a nightmare, joining me right now. Ashley Wilcott, judge,
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  Speaker 1: trial lawyer, anchor Court TV at Ashley Wilcott dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall, psycho analyst from Beverly Hills at dodgor
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  Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall dot com. Cloyd Steiger thirty six years, Seattle PD,
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  Speaker 1: author Seattle's Forgotten serial Killer, Gary Jane Grant at Kloyd
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  Speaker 1: Steiger dot com. Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor forensics, Jacksonville State
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  Speaker 1: University and author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon.
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  Speaker 1: Tess Costerer, longtime friend of Lois Reese from Minnesota. Also
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  Speaker 1: with me. Killen Thompson, KIMT News three, Rochester, Minnesota crack reporter.
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  Speaker 1: At this point, nobody knows what to think, and I guess,
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  Speaker 1: Killen Thompson, this was the first murder in a really
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  Speaker 1: long time. You're absolutely right, I think. I mean, there's
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  Speaker 1: definitely not a run of the middle crime to day
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  Speaker 1: these authorities would deal with every day. You know, they're
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  Speaker 1: looking for Lois Reese and typically to you. Cloyd Steiker
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  Speaker 1: thirty six years, Seattle PD. Where do you start? I
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  Speaker 1: guess with the vehicle. There was a vehicle missing Cadillac Escalate. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the first thing you're gonna do is you're gonna put
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  Speaker 1: that bulletins out across, you know, at least in the
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  Speaker 1: state of Minnesota, maybe across for the car and for
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  Speaker 1: her as a missing endangered person and helping someone sees her.
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  Speaker 1: He might look for automated license plate readers in your
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  Speaker 1: region to see if they picked up that car anywhere.
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  Speaker 1: But those are the first steps you're gonna take, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Cloyd Steiger. I also noticed that Dave Reese is killed
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  Speaker 1: in the bathroom. You know what, maybe this is more
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  Speaker 1: for a shrink doctor Bethany Marshall, or now it psycholics
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  Speaker 1: joining me out of Beverly Hills. I see that over
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  Speaker 1: and over and over that people are hacked up, stabbed,
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  Speaker 1: shot in the bathroom. Why, Yancy, this is such an
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  Speaker 1: up close and personal crime. This is not somebody who's
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  Speaker 1: driving down the street and shoots into a house or
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  Speaker 1: shoots into a crowded mall. This is somebody who knew
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  Speaker 1: the family, who was familiar with the layout of the house.
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  Speaker 1: Think about it. He was in the bathroom. If you're
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  Speaker 1: going to go into somebody's house and shoot them in
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  Speaker 1: the bathroom, you're probably going to have access through the
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  Speaker 1: front door, and maybe maybe you could break him through
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  Speaker 1: a window. But this is somebody who knew the layout,
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  Speaker 1: caught him in the bathroom and was incredibly angry. We've
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  Speaker 1: been talking about grudges. Who could have had a grudge
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  Speaker 1: against Dave in this small town. Who did he owe
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  Speaker 1: somebody money? Was he having an affair with somebody? But
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  Speaker 1: you know, wait a minute, though, haven't you found Ashley
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  Speaker 1: Wilcot the grudge murders or a betterfit for a mystery
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  Speaker 1: novel or TV? You don't really see a lot of
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  Speaker 1: grudge murders where they not only shoot the person that
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  Speaker 1: let's just say, owes the money, but then they they
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  Speaker 1: take the wife too and rape and kill her. That
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  Speaker 1: that's more of a murder mystery novel or a movie
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  Speaker 1: than in reality. Well, I definitely don't think it's a grudge,
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  Speaker 1: but I will say this, I could see it happening
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  Speaker 1: if it was an emotional cry, meaning if one of
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  Speaker 1: them was having an affair. That's immediately where my mind
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  Speaker 1: goes to, which, yes, is the romance novel or a
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  Speaker 1: mystery novel? I should rather say? But that's when I
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  Speaker 1: could see him being killed and then her being kidnapped.
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  Speaker 1: You know what you're right to you, Jessica Morgan. I
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  Speaker 1: want to circle back based on what Ashley and doctor
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  Speaker 1: Bethany just said. Why the bathroom so often you and
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  Speaker 1: are analys and cases and the murder goes down and
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  Speaker 1: the bathroom? Is it something instinctive? You know what? I
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  Speaker 1: think it is, Nancy, this is the deal. That's an
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  Speaker 1: intimate space. That's something that very few people in our
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  Speaker 1: lives actually have access to, particularly when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: our own personal space. It also facilitates containment. You know,
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  Speaker 1: bathrooms tend to be in my case at least small
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  Speaker 1: in homes. Others are large. But it's also an area
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  Speaker 1: where you can clean up quite readily. You know what
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  Speaker 1: this makes me think of? It makes me think of
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  Speaker 1: and here's her name, Jodi Arias and Travis Alexander. Where
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  Speaker 1: did this begin? Well, it began in his bathroom. Think
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  Speaker 1: about it. How defenseless he was, he was nude, he
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  Speaker 1: was in the shower. It's an area that you could
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  Speaker 1: potentially clean up. And you could see this coming. When
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  Speaker 1: are we the most vulnerable? Well, we're using the facilities
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  Speaker 1: in there one way or another. And that's what this
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  Speaker 1: implies to me somebody that's within his intimate zone. Well,
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  Speaker 1: this is what I know. He's shot dead, multiple gunshot
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  Speaker 1: wounds across his body, each shot in itself deadly. The
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  Speaker 1: thinking behind someone shooting him doctor Bethany Marshall killing him
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  Speaker 1: many times over? Back to what Ashley said, does seem
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  Speaker 1: like an emotional killing. This is somebody who had been
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  Speaker 1: thinking about Dave for a long long time. We think
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  Speaker 1: about homicides as being like crimes of passion or something that,
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  Speaker 1: as you say, it just formed in a moment. But actually,
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  Speaker 1: in my field, we think that homicidal feelings foment over
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  Speaker 1: months or years. So it makes me think again, did
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  Speaker 1: he owe somebody money? Was he having an affair with somebody?
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  Speaker 1: Had he cheated somebody? Was somebody envious or jealous of
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  Speaker 1: his success? He had just started the Waxworks farms and
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  Speaker 1: he was extremely successful at that, so there were people
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  Speaker 1: in this town that maybe would look at him and say, hey,
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  Speaker 1: you're you know you're successful. I tried to start a
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  Speaker 1: bait shop and mine didn't work out, and yours has
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  Speaker 1: worked out. Why are you more successful than me? And
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  Speaker 1: back to the bathroom containment thing, I'm jo Scott Morgan
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  Speaker 1: pointed out that it's a contained area where you can
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  Speaker 1: easily clean up. A predominance of suicides occur in bathrooms too.
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  Speaker 1: The very same reason is that it is a contained space,
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  Speaker 1: and there's running water, there's usually tile, The paint on
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  Speaker 1: the walls is usually like a smooth finish, So it
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  Speaker 1: is a place where if you're going to suicide or
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  Speaker 1: to shoot somebody to death, you could actually clean up
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  Speaker 1: the space fairly easily. Guys were talking about the murder
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  Speaker 1: of David Reese, gunned down in his own bathroom and
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  Speaker 1: then his wife kidnapped. Where is Lois Reese? You know?
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  Speaker 1: To you Keillen Thompson joining me k I MT News three, Rochester, Minnesota.
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  Speaker 1: This is a really small town. I find it hard
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  Speaker 1: to believe that an affair is going on and nobody
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  Speaker 1: knows about it, right. I mean, in these kinds of
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  Speaker 1: communities where everybody knows everybody, you would know what's going
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  Speaker 1: on by word of mouth or I mean, people I
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  Speaker 1: spoke to knew where the Reese has lived. So it's
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  Speaker 1: like everyone knows everybody and everyone kind of knows what's
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  Speaker 1: going on. Okay, guys, you're gonna laugh at me, But
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I know all about Minnesota, and you
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  Speaker 1: know why, because of John Sandford. He writes all the
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  Speaker 1: Prey books, and he writes about a guy named Lucas
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  Speaker 1: Davenport and Virgil his psychic and they solve crimes all
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  Speaker 1: over Minnesota, especially the Twin Cities. So I actually have
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  Speaker 1: heard of Blooming Prairie, but in that context it was
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  Speaker 1: of a sleepy little town where nothing ever really happens.
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  Speaker 1: Well not so this time. Take a listen. There was
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  Speaker 1: a Dodge County Sheriff's Office patrol car guarding the Prairie
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  Speaker 1: wax Worm Farm location. Today it's located on a highway
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  Speaker 1: to eighteen, just outside of Blooming Prairie, and that's where
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  Speaker 1: they say a suspicious death took place over the weekend.
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  Speaker 1: The nearly two thousand people and Blooming Prairie are trying
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  Speaker 1: to piece together what happened just outside of town at
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  Speaker 1: the Prairie wax Worm Farm over the weekend. All I've
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  Speaker 1: heard is what is on Facebook so far. Those are
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  Speaker 1: the hands of one local business owner who didn't want
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  Speaker 1: to be identified. She tells me fifty six year old
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  Speaker 1: lowest Reeese is someone she's seen before. Authorities are looking
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  Speaker 1: for this lowest Reece. Is that a familiar name to you. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Authorities say Rees may have information for what they're calling
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  Speaker 1: a suspicious death in rural Dodge County. There was a
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  Speaker 1: Dodge County Sheriff's Office patrol car guarding the Prairie wax
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  Speaker 1: Worm Farm location. Today it's located on a Highway to eighteen,
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  Speaker 1: just outside of Blooming Prairie, and that's where they say
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  Speaker 1: a suspicious death took place over the weekend. The nearly
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  Speaker 1: two thousand people and Blooming Prairie are trying to piece
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  Speaker 1: together what happened just outside of town at the Prairie
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  Speaker 1: wax Worm Farm over the weekend. All I've heard is
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  Speaker 1: what is on Facebook, so fire. Those are the hands
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  Speaker 1: of one local business owner who didn't want to be identified.
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  Speaker 1: She told me fifty six year old lowest Reece is
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  Speaker 1: someone she's seen before southorities are looking for this lowest Reece.
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  Speaker 1: Is that a familiar name to you. Yes, Authorities say
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  Speaker 1: Reese may have information for what they're calling a suspicious
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  Speaker 1: death in rural Dodge County, and Rees herself missing. That
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  Speaker 1: was our friends joining us right now. Callen Thomson, Kimtam
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  Speaker 1: News three Rochester. You know two tests cost her longtime
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  Speaker 1: friend of the rees a family had them over, meeting
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  Speaker 1: many times, spent weekends to gather day fun to be around.
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  Speaker 1: Lois brings stakes for everybody and cook such breakfast on
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  Speaker 1: a lake weekend. Did you see talking about adultery? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: hold on, hold on tests first, to doctor Bethany Marshall,
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  Speaker 1: Come on, in a small town, you want to tell
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  Speaker 1: me everybody doesn't know who's sleeping with who? Nuncy, I
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  Speaker 1: went to a college where there were only four hundred
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  Speaker 1: and fifty three students. We knew everybody's business. It was
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  Speaker 1: a fish bowl in a very small town. You're going
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  Speaker 1: to ask somebody out on a date and go to
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  Speaker 1: the local diner and even pretend that you're just friends, like,
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  Speaker 1: the energy is not going to be picked up by
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  Speaker 1: everybody else in the diner. Everybody else was going to know.
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  Speaker 1: So an affair would have to have been with somebody
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  Speaker 1: out of town, somebody online, somebody on the internet, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: or something where there was a clandestine relationship between Dave
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  Speaker 1: and somebody in the town and a lover, a spouse.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody had began to become very angry and upset about it.
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  Speaker 1: But this is a powder keg. You know what's funny,
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  Speaker 1: asked Willcott, joining me judge and trial lawyer. My dad,
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  Speaker 1: who is really my soulmate, taught a Sunday school class
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  Speaker 1: forever and he taught it was one of my friends mother,
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  Speaker 1: miss Jeanette, and sometime over the weekend or during the week,
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  Speaker 1: they would get together for about one hour for coffee,
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  Speaker 1: and they'd always go to the same diner. I think
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  Speaker 1: it was in Byron Georgia, sit in the window, have
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  Speaker 1: coffee and go through the Sunday school notes. We had
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  Speaker 1: a field day with my father about meeting Miss Jeanette
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  Speaker 1: every week for coffee, and he would turn blood red.
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  Speaker 1: They would have their notes. I think they were teaching
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  Speaker 1: us from teaching Adam bird life in Wington, and it's
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  Speaker 1: really about people and all of their horrible traits. But
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  Speaker 1: they used birds like mister Crow and mister Owl, and
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  Speaker 1: mister Crow was jealous of mister Owl. Blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 1: My point is everybody knows when you even have a
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  Speaker 1: cup of coffee, much less doing it. You're so right.
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  Speaker 1: My grandparents lived in a tiny little town in South Texas,
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  Speaker 1: right on the border Mexico, Texas, and it was the
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  Speaker 1: same way he had coffee with his guy friends every
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  Speaker 1: single morning of his life. I think, and you are right.
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  Speaker 1: Within ten minutes, his wife, my grandmother, knew exactly what
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  Speaker 1: was going on, where they were meeting, the coffee they
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  Speaker 1: were drinking, the kind of coffee they were drinking. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's crazy. So I do agree. If it's a small
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  Speaker 1: community like this one was, even if it's not accurate,
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  Speaker 1: people are talking about it and saying what they want,
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  Speaker 1: and people would have had an idea. I do agree
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  Speaker 1: with that. I mean, come on, Klin Thompson, Kimt tells
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  Speaker 1: us she drove up, she goes, hey, where's the waxworm farm?
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  Speaker 1: And they all pointed, They told her exactly where it was.
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  Speaker 1: She didn't need her Google Maps or her what's the
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  Speaker 1: other thing? Ways, But back to you, test cost her
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  Speaker 1: joining me. A longtime friend of Louis Reese and Dave Reese. Test,
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  Speaker 1: I just don't see adultery, or everybody would have known
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  Speaker 1: about it. Did you ever see any hint of a
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  Speaker 1: problem between the two No, never, They seemed to get
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  Speaker 1: along just fine. By the time all of this was
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  Speaker 1: starting to take place, we were in Florida were snowbirds,
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  Speaker 1: so we weren't around. And according to some of the
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  Speaker 1: wex Worm employees, they were starting to fight and argue
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  Speaker 1: about money because she was starting to gamble a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Did he know she was gambling or was she doing
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  Speaker 1: it in secret? He knew she was gambling. Yes, she
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  Speaker 1: had also stolen money from her sister who she was
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  Speaker 1: her guardian guardian a item, and from her mother's They
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  Speaker 1: all saying money, not money itself, but the love of
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  Speaker 1: money is the root of all evil. Is money developing
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  Speaker 1: into a motive. But wait a minute, in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of Minnesota, where is their test cost or where is
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  Speaker 1: there in Minnesota to gamble? The ins have casino so
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  Speaker 1: her favorite one was Diamond Joe's, which is just across
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  Speaker 1: on the Iowa border. Minnesota Iowa border. She was known
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  Speaker 1: as Losing Lois there. Apparently she lost a lot. Ooh,
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  Speaker 1: that's a big sign. You know what's interesting, Tess, is
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  Speaker 1: that gambling is an addiction, just like drugs or alcohol
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  Speaker 1: or porn. I mean, remember we would read about you.
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  Speaker 1: Remember Ben Affleck was a big gambler and just like
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  Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of dollars down the crapper gambling, and
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  Speaker 1: I guess the gambler always thinks they can win it
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  Speaker 1: back somehow and get get out of the hole they've
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  Speaker 1: dug for themselves. Did she ever Was she open with
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  Speaker 1: you about her gambling problem? No, she didn't talk about
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  Speaker 1: it to anyone in town. Her husband Dave would talk
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  Speaker 1: about it to other people, but she did not. What
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  Speaker 1: would he say that her gambling was getting out of line?
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  Speaker 1: And you know, on favorite arts starting to argue about it. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: you know that's you just tell me something I didn't know.
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  Speaker 1: Test cost because to you, doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanist joining
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  Speaker 1: me out of Beverly Hills, as I was saying to test,
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  Speaker 1: gambling is just as much an addiction as you know,
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  Speaker 1: alcohol or drugs or porn or it gets a hold
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  Speaker 1: of you and you always, for some reason, gamblers always
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  Speaker 1: think they can win the money back, always, Nancy. So
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  Speaker 1: the dynamic of compulsive gambling is some future reward is
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  Speaker 1: going to compensate for everything that's going wrong in my life.
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  Speaker 1: Right now, I don't have to think about the present,
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  Speaker 1: even if I'm just scrounging through my sofa for old
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  Speaker 1: dimes and coins and things like that to drop in
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  Speaker 1: the slot machine. I'm not going to think about my
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  Speaker 1: current poverty, or my life situation, or my fights with
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  Speaker 1: my husband, because this future shoot award is going to
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  Speaker 1: compensate for everything. So therefore I'm not even responsible for
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  Speaker 1: what's going on in my life right now. I have
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  Speaker 1: a pot at the end of the rainbow, and I
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  Speaker 1: don't have to think about myself. I don't have to
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  Speaker 1: act on my own behalf, I don't have to be decent,
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  Speaker 1: I don't have to show up for the people in
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  Speaker 1: my life. That future reward is going to fix everything.
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  Speaker 1: So I think losing Lois was so obsessed with getting
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  Speaker 1: money she didn't really perhaps realize that she had family, friends, community,
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  Speaker 1: beautiful people all around her. The present really didn't matter,
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  Speaker 1: you know, to you. Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor friends at
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  Speaker 1: Jacksonall State University and author The state, of course never
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  Speaker 1: has to prove the motive. But now we've got the
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  Speaker 1: husband dead and the wife is missing. Typically when I
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  Speaker 1: hear about well, it's on TV and in movies, the
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  Speaker 1: mob comes and kills you or breaks your knees because
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  Speaker 1: you owe a money. Have you ever in real life
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  Speaker 1: had a murder where the mob kills you because you
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  Speaker 1: haven't paid your gambling debts. Have you ever had that
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  Speaker 1: in real life in your practice, Joe Scott? No, not
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  Speaker 1: relative to gambling. No, I have not. What do you mean,
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  Speaker 1: not relative to gambling? Have you had a mob yet? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I've had at least three, particularly in New Orleans, I
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  Speaker 1: had two or three that were connected with the organized crime.
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  Speaker 1: I've had a lot of murders that were drug related
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  Speaker 1: but actually tied into the mob drug business. What about it,
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  Speaker 1: Cloyd Steiger? Have you ever, neither Joe Scott, Morgan or
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  Speaker 1: myself have had a murderer that was over a gambling debt?
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Have you? I have never had a murder gambling debt,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: No drug debts, somethings, sure, but not gambling. I mean
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  Speaker 1: I could see someone coming after a Lewis Reese if
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: she owed a ton of money. But why kill the
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  Speaker 1: husband and then take her? Curious? Actually, we'll call it
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  Speaker 1: judge and trial lawyer, court TV anchor. Have you ever
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  Speaker 1: had a murder over a gambling debt? I know you've
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: had plenty of murders, but over a gambling debt? You know,
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  Speaker 1: I have to be honest, I have not. I cannot
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  Speaker 1: think of one. And I'm not just talking gambling debt though.
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking debt because I have seen crimes as a
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  Speaker 1: result of somebody owing somebody else, And I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: tell you I've seen one where it was as little
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  Speaker 1: as about ten thousand dollars that one person owed another
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  Speaker 1: person and that other person didn't pay it back, so
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  Speaker 1: the one person did shoot that person, but did not
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  Speaker 1: kill the person. So I haven't seen it, but I
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  Speaker 1: don't think it's that unfeasible, you know, I don't understand why,
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  Speaker 1: even when you're down so much money, you keep going
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  Speaker 1: back to the crap table. But now we are learning
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: there was more money involved than just the gambling losses.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Iris Perez at Fox
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  Speaker 1: nine Minneapolis. Reese was named her sister guardian in two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and twelve. Three years later, Reese moved Sanchez to
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  Speaker 1: an assisted living facility. Around the same time, Minnesota Prairie
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  Speaker 1: County Alliance reported Reese transferred funds from the guardianship account
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  Speaker 1: to her own, only to withdraw the funds at a
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  Speaker 1: local casino. That's when the Steel County Sheriff investigated Reese
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  Speaker 1: for financial exploitation. The investigator reported Reese wrote more than
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  Speaker 1: thirty grand worth of checks from her sister's account without permission.
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  Speaker 1: The withdrawals were made at the same time. Court documents
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  Speaker 1: show Reese's sister inherited two hundred thousand dollars. An audit
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  Speaker 1: later revealed the mishandling of her sister's money. In one instance,
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  Speaker 1: Reese made a fourteen thousand dollars debt payment to William Witty,
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  Speaker 1: Sanchez's dead father. In another, Reese paid herself eight thousand,
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  Speaker 1: five hundred dollars in guardian fees and then paid out
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  Speaker 1: fifteen thousand dollars worth of gifts to a niece and nephews.
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  Speaker 1: But all that came to an end after a social
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  Speaker 1: worker filed an emergency petition and in September twenty fifteen.
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  Speaker 1: Reese's guardianship has since been revoked. Reese was named her
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  Speaker 1: sister's guardian in two twelve. Three years later, Reese moved
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Sanchez to an assisted living facility. Around the same time,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Minnesota Prairie County Alliance reported Reese transferred funds from the
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: guardianship account to her own, only to withdraw the funds
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: at a local casino. That's when the Steel County sheriff
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: investigated Reese for financial exploitation. The investigator reported Reese wrote
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: more than thirty grand worth of checks from her sister's
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: account without permission. The withdrawals were made at the same time.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Court documents show Reese's sister inherited two hundred thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 1: An audit later revealed the mishandling of her sister's money.
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  Speaker 1: In one instance, Reese made eight fourteen thousand dollars debt
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  Speaker 1: payment to William Witty, Sanchez's dead father. In another, Reese
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: paid herself eight thousand, five hundred dollars in guardian fees
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  Speaker 1: and then paid out fifteen thousand dollars worth of gifts
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  Speaker 1: to a niece and nephews. But all that came to
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  Speaker 1: an end after a social worker filed an emergency petition
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  Speaker 1: in September twenty fifteen. Riese's guardianship has since been revoked.
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  Speaker 1: OUCH The reality is stealing from her disabled sister to
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: you Killen Thompson kimt needs three Rochester Killen. She was
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: stealing from the disabled sister. She was the guardian for
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: the sister. Was she using all that money to gamble
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: as far as I know, Yes, it sounds like she
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: had those lump sums amount what you just heard, and
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: she was heading over to the casinos to use it.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: So she was in so over her head regarding her debt.
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking by now, it had to be hundreds of
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: thousands of dollars, the price tag getting higher and higher
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: and higher to lower us Reese's gambling debts. So where
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  Speaker 1: is there around there to go? Keellen Thompson Kimt, a
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: test coster told me of a Diamond Jacks or Diamond Joe's.
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  Speaker 1: I had no idea that Minnesota had so many gambling casinos. Right.
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  Speaker 1: This Diamond Joe Casino is just across the Iowa Minnesota
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  Speaker 1: border in a little town called Northwood, Iowa. And it's
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: right next to the top of the Iowa Travel Center
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: where there is a come and go gas station. You know.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: To doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst joining me out of Beverly Hills.
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  Speaker 1: When I have been in gambling territory, you can even
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: gamble at gas stations. I forgot where were we? Oh?
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: I know we were on our first RV trip and
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: we had gone from Tucson to Vegas and we were
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: heading toward Death of Valley, and we went to a
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: gas station and to wasn't a waffle house, but it
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: was something like a pancake house. You'd have to go
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: through and minie casino to get to the pancakes. You'd
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: go through like a casino din to get back to
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  Speaker 1: the where the pancakes were. I mean, that is such
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  Speaker 1: a temptation. And Nancy, think about all those shining lights
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  Speaker 1: and the music that plays and the tinkling sounds. That's
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: like music to a gambler's ear. And think about it.
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  Speaker 1: Lois had taken money from her disabled sister. And what
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: gamblers do is they'll take money from one source and
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: then they'll think that they can pay it back. It's
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: like going into the grocery store and you steal I
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: don't know, you steal a six pack of pepsi, and
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: you think I didn't do anything wrong because tomorrow I'm
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: just gonna go back and I'll bring it back. I'll
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: replace it. So she kept getting in deeper and deeper
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: because she was robbing Peter to pay Paul. She was
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: taking from her disabled sister. She was giving gifts to
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: her nephews and nieces, and then every time she went
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: in through the casino section of the gas station. She
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: would think, I'll just make it right back and I'll
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: just I'll pay it back. But thank god that there
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: was a social worker who noticed this pattern of mouth
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: deeasons and began to investigate her stealing tens of thousands
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: of dollars from her disabled sister. So David Reese's dad,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: the search is on for Lois Rees. Is she dad? Whoever?
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: She owed all that money too? Had they come for revenge?
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Then the case cracked wide open in the search for
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Lois Reese. Take a listen to our friends at Kaar eleven.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Would you shake thirty five? So just keep going on
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: down to the next date. Is that's the way to go? Easy? Okay?
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Wait a minute, call and toss and kay amt news
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  Speaker 1: three Rochester. Who's that asking for directions at the Come
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: and Go? That's flaws three. She stopped at they Come
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: and Go that's right across the street from Diamond Joe Casino,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: and I think I had to grab lunch and grab
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: directions for her. She was gone to next And this
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: video captured at the Come and Go gas station in Northwood, Iowa,
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  Speaker 1: is the same day cops find the body of David
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Reese riddled with bullets in the bathroom of his Blooming
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  Speaker 1: Prairie home. Wouldn't you say, Joe Scott Morgan, that changes
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: the nature of the investigation. Yes, absolutely, it does. It
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: certainly narrows down our field, doesn't it. You know? And
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: all these kind of cases like this, Nancy, I say
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: over and over again, you're more e're and more danger
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: with those that are in your intimate sphere. You always
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: look at the intimates those individuals that surround your world. Hey, hey, hey,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: thanks for all the philosophy, preacher. But what I'm saying
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: as her husband's dead in the bathtub, and she said
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: the coming go asking for directions, And she sounds pretty
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: chipper to me, guys, listen to Aaron Bluie. The family vehicle,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: a two thousand and five Cadillac Escalade, was also missing.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Lewis didn't waste time getting out of town. She was
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: on the run driving the family Cadillac and had no
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: thought of returning to Blooming Prairie. She headed south with
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: the hopes that it wouldn't be discovered for a long time.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: What happened to her husband. It didn't take long for
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: the police to realize that Lois had kept down, and
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: they soon had her face plastered all over the media
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: with a label naming her fugitive Grandma. One of Lois's
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: first stops was at the Diamond Joe Casino, which was
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: just across the Iowa border. The employees at the casino
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: knew who she was and knew that blackjack was her
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: game of choice. Diamond Joe was only about a forty
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: five minute drive from Dave in Lois's home, and she
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: visited there often. At the casino and all throughout her
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: drive south, Lois used her husband's debit card and checkbook
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: to write herself checks and transfer funds to her bank account,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: totaling over eleven thousand dollars. And you think that's the
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: end of the story. Somehow, Lois Reese has to not
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: only fade herself, but her gambling addiction. Other victims are
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: yet to be targeted. Nancy Grace Killers amoxt Us signing
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  Speaker 1: off good Month