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Get Influenced by Carrie Berk · Miss Understood with Rachel Uchitel

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  Speaker 1: to Misunderstood. I'm Rachel Yucatel. Today, I got to chat
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  Speaker 1: with the adorable Keri Burke. She is a writer, an activist,
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  Speaker 1: a social media influencer, and she's only 20 years old.
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  Speaker 1: Keri's new book, My Real Life Rom-Com, comes out tomorrow,
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  Speaker 1: September 19th, and you must get yourself a copy. She
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  Speaker 1: opens up about love, dating, anxiety, and what it's really
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  Speaker 1: like out there for young adults. And coming from another
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  Speaker 1: young adult, it really ups the reliability factor. I got
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  Speaker 1: an early copy and my daughter already stole mine. We
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  Speaker 1: talk about Carrie's involvement with NoBully.org, how COVID affected her
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  Speaker 1: high school years, and get the scoop on what's happening
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  Speaker 1: in fashion and beauty. She also gives us a peek
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  Speaker 1: behind the curtain of life as an influencer. It's not
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  Speaker 1: all rainbows and lip gloss. So Carrie was such an
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  Speaker 1: honor to meet, such an honor to talk to, and
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  Speaker 1: I think you guys will really enjoy her. So sit back, relax,
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  Speaker 1: and listen to Carrie Burke. All right, so Carrie Burke,
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  Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us on Misunderstood. How
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  Speaker 1: are you?
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  Speaker 2: I'm good. Thank you so much for having me.
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  Speaker 1: So you're based in New York, yeah?
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  Speaker 2: I'm based in New York.
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  Speaker 1: So it's so interesting to me. You're 20, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And it's crazy because you're so young. You've accomplished so much.
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  Speaker 1: It's pretty incredible. I want to start from the beginning, though.
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  Speaker 1: How did writing become a part of your life?
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  Speaker 2: So I started writing as early as eight years old.
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  Speaker 2: I had been learning about realistic fiction in school, and
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  Speaker 2: I was always fascinated that you could take these real
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  Speaker 2: life themes and place them inside of fictional scenarios. So
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  Speaker 2: that gave me the idea for a fictional book series.
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  Speaker 2: It was a children's book called The Cupcake Club. So
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  Speaker 2: for years, I wrote these children's books with my mom,
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  Speaker 2: and that's kind of how I got my start. in writing,
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  Speaker 2: but that was never really what I wanted to do.
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  Speaker 2: You know, my end game is to be a journalist.
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  Speaker 2: So that's what I've been doing more lately. That's what
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  Speaker 2: I'm studying in college. And in terms of my new book,
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  Speaker 2: my real life rom-com, that kind of just fell into
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  Speaker 2: my life naturally. That was never the plan. Right.
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  Speaker 1: So your book is coming out tomorrow by the time
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  Speaker 1: we air this, but I want to just get into
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  Speaker 1: those three, I think it was three books that became series, correct?
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  Speaker 1: And two of them became off-Broadway plays?
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  Speaker 2: Correct.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, explain to people, first of all, that's hard
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  Speaker 1: for an adult to figure out. How did you navigate that?
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  Speaker 1: How did that come about? I mean, obviously you wrote
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  Speaker 1: a great story, but tell me the details of that.
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  Speaker 2: Sure. So I was... kind of like born into a
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  Speaker 2: writer family. My mom is a celebrity ghostwriter. She was
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  Speaker 2: the founding editor-in-chief of Life and Style. So it's kind
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  Speaker 2: of in my blood. And when I pitched her this
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  Speaker 2: idea for a children's book series, she pitched it to
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  Speaker 2: her book agent and they loved the idea because there
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  Speaker 2: was nothing really out there that was a mother-daughter book series.
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  Speaker 2: So that's kind of how I got that book to
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  Speaker 2: come about. in terms of the off-Broadway show, it was
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  Speaker 2: really all about networking. I think the two of us
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  Speaker 2: wrote a really great story that resonated with a lot
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  Speaker 2: of kids, not just about these four girls who had
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  Speaker 2: a cupcake club, but just really important themes like anti-bullying
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  Speaker 2: and the importance of staying true to yourself. These themes
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  Speaker 2: that tweens really needed to hear. So I think that's
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  Speaker 2: really what helped us move move this book along and
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  Speaker 2: see so much success.
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  Speaker 1: And the Cupcake Club went on to publish 12 books,
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  Speaker 1: I think, selling over 300,000 copies. And you were also
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  Speaker 1: in that, correct?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So the off-Broadway musical of the Cupcake Club, I was actually,
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  Speaker 2: I had the opportunity to star in it, which was
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  Speaker 2: really cool. At the time I was doing theater, So
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  Speaker 2: I got the opportunity to be the lead, Kylie. And
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  Speaker 2: that was a really fun experience. Obviously, I don't do
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  Speaker 2: theater anymore, but that was really, really fun because nobody
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  Speaker 2: knows the characters better than people who write them in
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  Speaker 2: the story. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And and how much of a desire to act do
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  Speaker 1: you have? Did that give you the bug or you
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  Speaker 1: were over it because you don't do it anymore?
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  Speaker 2: Zero desire. I don't do it anymore. Yeah. I think
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  Speaker 2: back then I was acting a lot. I was going
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  Speaker 2: on auditions. I was in ballet school. So I loved
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  Speaker 2: it back then, but now not at all. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: But you won an award. It looks like you got
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  Speaker 1: critical praise and an award for outstanding individual performance. So
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  Speaker 1: you obviously did a very good job.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. I hope so.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you definitely were acknowledged for it. So that's great.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's really spectacular, those books and the fact
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  Speaker 1: that it created a series for kids, because it's so
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  Speaker 1: important for kids to find books that they can connect with.
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  Speaker 1: And then once one book is over, the fact that
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  Speaker 1: it has other books to follow up and you get
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  Speaker 1: to hear more about the characters and the characters are
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  Speaker 1: developed is it's such a great thing for children. I
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  Speaker 1: have a, an 11 year old daughter myself who when
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  Speaker 1: I told her I was interviewing you she was like,
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  Speaker 1: Oh my God, she's one of my favorites. I love her.
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  Speaker 1: I'm obsessed. You know, the word they all use, but
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  Speaker 1: I think it's great that, you know, and she had
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  Speaker 1: read your books, you know, she knows of your books.
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  Speaker 1: And so I, I think that's a real testament to,
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  Speaker 1: to the work that you've done and how you've touched.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you could sell a bunch of copies, but
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  Speaker 1: when you know you've touched an actual individual and see
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  Speaker 1: their reaction when you say their name, I think that's
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  Speaker 1: pretty impressive. So my hat is off to you about that.
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  Speaker 1: So talk to me about mental health and how it
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  Speaker 1: came to play in your life. How did bullying become
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  Speaker 1: an issue in your life that you wanted to discuss?
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  Speaker 2: So I think my journey with mental health has several
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  Speaker 2: different layers in my life. So back then, I actually,
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  Speaker 2: for a long time, I was never bullied myself. So
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  Speaker 2: when I was writing The Cupcake Club, I was a
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  Speaker 2: peer mediator at my school, which meant that I would
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  Speaker 2: walk around the schoolyard. And if it looked like two
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  Speaker 2: people were having a conflict, then I would intercede and
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  Speaker 2: I'd help them talk through their issues.
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  Speaker 1: My daughter was also in that. Did you go to PS6,
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  Speaker 1: by the way?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I did.
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  Speaker 1: Amazing. I love that program that they have. That's hysterical.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I absolutely loved it. I was never bullied myself,
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  Speaker 2: but I would intercede and I'd help with that. So
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  Speaker 2: I loved that program. But yeah, I think once I
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  Speaker 2: started in social media, that's when I really saw or
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  Speaker 2: I guess felt what it was like to be bullied.
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  Speaker 2: Bullying is so prevalent today. And I was... public figure.
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  Speaker 2: I'm starting to gain a following on TikTok over the pandemic.
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  Speaker 2: And it was just, it was kind of crazy just
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  Speaker 1: So yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that was like really difficult, obviously for me
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  Speaker 2: to deal with.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, for sure. It's difficult for anyone at any age,
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  Speaker 1: but especially a child. And also you were going through
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  Speaker 1: such a difficult, I mean, you were of the class,
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  Speaker 1: the high school graduating class that did not have, um,
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  Speaker 1: that was not able to graduate in person. Correct. In
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  Speaker 1: the year 2020. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So I was class of 2020. Uh, I had no prom,
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  Speaker 2: no graduation. Um, None of that. My first year and
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  Speaker 2: a half of college was online. So that was really difficult.
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  Speaker 2: I think just my generation had a really hard during
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  Speaker 2: the pandemic, as did everybody. But it's just really hard.
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  Speaker 2: You put in like 12 years of work at a
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  Speaker 2: school and you don't even get to graduate. So that
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  Speaker 2: was really hard. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And you've talked openly about how that was one of
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  Speaker 1: the first times, correct me if I'm wrong, that you
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  Speaker 1: really felt the feeling of panic attacks or anxiety or depression.
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  Speaker 1: Talk to me about what that was like for you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm very open about this in my real
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  Speaker 2: life rom-com, my new book. The last chapter is actually
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  Speaker 2: all about my anxiety journey. So it's a book about dating,
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  Speaker 2: but the last chapter I dedicate to myself and what
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  Speaker 2: I went through. So basically- During the pandemic, I didn't
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  Speaker 2: really understand what it meant to be anxious. That's not
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  Speaker 2: something you learn in schools today. So when I was
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  Speaker 2: experiencing anxiety and panic attacks, and I had all of
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  Speaker 2: these physical symptoms and mental symptoms, I didn't really understand
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  Speaker 2: what it meant. So when I started seeing a therapist,
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  Speaker 2: I thought there was something wrong with me. I asked her,
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  Speaker 2: why do I keep.
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  Speaker 2: Why do I keep going to bed feeling like I
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  Speaker 2: can't breathe? Why am I waking up in the morning shaking?
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  Speaker 2: Why do I have these dark thoughts just randomly when
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  Speaker 2: there's nothing really wrong with my life? And I talk
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  Speaker 2: that it's OCD. But to me, at first, at least,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't believe her because you see things like anxiety
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  Speaker 2: and OCD represented in the media so poorly. Like you
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  Speaker 2: hear the word OCD and a lot of people just think,
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  Speaker 2: you know, excessive cleaning or just staying super organized when
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  Speaker 2: it was really starting from ground zero. I had no
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  Speaker 2: basis of education from school about it. And that's why
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  Speaker 2: I think talking about it openly in my book is
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  Speaker 2: so important because there's really nobody who's stepping into that
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  Speaker 2: role today to do so.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's really important. What do you think is
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  Speaker 1: a good... is good advice for parents that have teenagers,
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  Speaker 1: things that they can look out for, ways they can
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  Speaker 1: talk to their kids. I mean, my daughter's not in
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  Speaker 1: she grew up in New York, a PS6, you know,
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  Speaker 1: all this stuff. And they are like 11 going on 17.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they are very mature. she's already started to
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  Speaker 1: hide things from me. She doesn't want me to get
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  Speaker 1: involved in things at her school. I don't know that
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  Speaker 1: she tells me everything. And they are so, because of
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  Speaker 1: into YouTube, into TikTok. And it's a different world than
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  Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing is listening to your child.
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  Speaker 2: If they say, there's something wrong, listen to them. If
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  Speaker 2: even if it sounds, you know, crazy or out of
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  Speaker 2: the ordinary, just listen to them. I mean, especially at
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  Speaker 2: a young age, our emotions fluctuate so much. So I
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  Speaker 2: think it's really important to just hear them out and
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  Speaker 2: listen non-judgmentally to what they want and what they need.
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  Speaker 2: And oftentimes that's just space. If they want to close
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  Speaker 2: the door and take a nap or read a book, don't,
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  Speaker 2: you know, press on them too hard, give them the
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  Speaker 2: space to process their emotions themselves. And then, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you can try again and talk to them later. But
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  Speaker 2: I think that's the main thing, just listening non-judgmentally. I
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  Speaker 2: always say, you know, this last chapter in my book
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  Speaker 2: in particular is a great conversation starter between moms and daughters,
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  Speaker 2: because you can gift this to your child and say,
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  Speaker 2: you know, here's, this is not a medical journal. This
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  Speaker 2: is not saying, you know, this is what anxiety is.
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  Speaker 2: And here are the symptoms listed. No, this is a
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  Speaker 2: teenage girl who went through anxiety and here's what she felt.
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  Speaker 2: And showing this to your child, I think can be
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  Speaker 2: a really great natural way to ease into a conversation
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  Speaker 2: like that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So bullying, it's handled so much differently now than when
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  Speaker 1: I was young. People were very mean.
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  Speaker 1: You know, when I was growing up in Manhattan, I
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  Speaker 1: went to an all-girls private school. That's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: times where a lot of the bullying festers in between
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  Speaker 1: girls in particular. And, you know, I was never able
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  Speaker 1: to talk about it. And I really, I had a
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  Speaker 1: difficult time. I ended up being sent to a boarding
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  Speaker 1: school because I couldn't verbalize what was going on. And
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  Speaker 1: I became so withdrawn. Nowadays, you see people, kids committing suicides.
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  Speaker 1: over words that are spoken to them or fears that
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  Speaker 1: something is gonna come out about them, whether it's sexually
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  Speaker 1: explicit photos or rumors that are not true, things that
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  Speaker 1: may be true, but that are too embarrassing to handle
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  Speaker 1: and they can't talk to their parents about it. Do
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  Speaker 1: you have some advice for people going through this or
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  Speaker 1: parents dealing with a child who seems really ostracized for things?
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  Speaker 2: I think... the main thing is just surrounding your child
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  Speaker 2: with all the love and support they need. Even if
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  Speaker 2: they try to push you away, realizing that it's nothing
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  Speaker 2: really to do with you. It's just a really hard
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  Speaker 2: age and we're all going through a lot and try
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  Speaker 2: to introduce more things into their life that bring them joy.
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  Speaker 1: So that's good advice. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Really, really small things can bring someone joy. So for example, if,
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  Speaker 2: you got them their favorite snack after school one day
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  Speaker 2: and you saw them like crack a smile for just
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  Speaker 2: like a second. I feel like as a mom, you
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  Speaker 2: pick up on those things. So just look for small
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  Speaker 2: things that bring your child joy and introduce more of
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  Speaker 2: those things organically into their life. If they play a
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  Speaker 2: sport and they enjoy that sport and they retreat into
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  Speaker 2: it a lot of the time, don't try and like
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  Speaker 2: push on them and try and get them to talk
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  Speaker 2: to you. If that sport is something that they really enjoy,
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  Speaker 2: then support them, go to their games. You know, just really,
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  Speaker 2: I think listening to your child to what they need
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  Speaker 2: in the moment is important and only really step in
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  Speaker 2: and talk to them when it seems like a good time.
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  Speaker 1: You've been an ambassador for NoBully.org. What is that?
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  Speaker 2: So NoBully.org is a nonprofit organization and they teach kids
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: how to practice empathy towards each other from a young age.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: Like I said, there's a lack of education in schools
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: about bullying and about mental health and no bully is
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: really targeting the issue from as early as kindergarten and
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: teaching kids how to respect each other and why bullying
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: is bad, the consequences of bullying from as early as kindergarten.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: So just imagine if we all learned the importance of
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: respecting one another from that young an age, it probably
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: would have you know, at least helps the issue in
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: middle school and high school when bullying is rampant.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. So you brought up earlier that during COVID
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: is when you got more into social media and became
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: somewhat of an influencer or a public figure. So for
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: those of us that are a little older and don't
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: understand this whole world of being an influencer, getting into that,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden having over a million followers, How
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: did you get into that? And I know that comes
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: with a lot of people's opinions, especially when you have
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: such a big platform. So what's that like for you?
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: So in terms of how I got into it, it
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: really just happened organically. I fell into it over the pandemic.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Like everyone, I was bored at home, nothing to do.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: And I always enjoyed creating content. I was like a
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: micro influencer on Instagram. I loved posting the fashion photos,
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: but never on TikTok. I had a lot of friends
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: in TikTok, but it was never my thing. I never
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: saw much success on it. But over the pandemic, I
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: just thought, why not? Why not try creating videos? So
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: I made this one fitness tutorial video that went viral overnight.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: It has to date about 10 million views. And that's
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: really when my account started to take off.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: So how did you do that? I think people all
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: over the world want to know how to create a
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: viral video. How did you do that? Was it a
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: total fluke or what?
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: It was a total fluke. I mean, there's really no
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: secret sauce. I wish I could tell you what type
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: of video goes viral, but it really depends on the person.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: It varies. So many random things can go viral. I
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: think the main advice I would say for going viral
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: is just to stay consistent and posting as much as
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: you want, experimenting with different things. I was experimenting a lot.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: I was doing dance videos and they weren't performing well.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: And then one day I posted a fitness video that
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: went crazy. And I thought to myself, okay, I guess
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: I should make more fitness videos. Did that for a
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: while until that died out. And then one day I
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: was like, okay, like let's try a beauty video, just
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: trying a full beauty product. And that did well. Okay.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: So now what should we do? So kind of just
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: assessing your platform, like self-analyzing, seeing what performs best for you,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: because it's really different for every single person.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: So again, correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: like one of the biggest things you do right now
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: is the product reviews. Is that still something that's really
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: popular for you? So do these companies send products to
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: you and it's a barter deal? You talk about them.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: How many products are you getting on any given week?
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: What's that like?
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: So it depends. Not every video I post is a
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: sponsored post. So I do get lots of products gifted
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: during the week. But a lot of the stuff I
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: post is just products that I like and that I
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: already use and that I buy because I want people
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: to look to me as, you know, kind of the
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: every girl, like someone who actually is using these products.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: It's not stuff that I just, you know, look out for,
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: I guess, and like request, I guess, the film. So
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: I think, yes, I do a lot of brand promos
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: because it's easy for me because it authentically like folds
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: into my page. Like I do product reviews across the board.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: I can promote a fitness product, a beauty product, fashion product.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: It's very easy to pick up any niche for a
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: brand promo, but it's not every single video I make.
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: And now you, I mean, in the past, and even
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: now you're like a contributing editor talking about different things
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: with all sorts of mediums, right? So, I mean, do
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: you consider yourself someone who is heavily invested in beauty
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: and fashion? Do you like that, those trends? Do you
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: follow them closely?
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: So I used to a lot. I actually used to
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: have a fashion blog and I definitely follow the fashion
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: very closely. I think.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I go to like New York Fashion
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Week every year. Over the past like year or so,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: I've tried to like branch out a little more and
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: explore like all niches. I didn't know much about sports
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: and I was like, OK, this might be something that
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: I need to write about one day. So I'm going
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: to try and explore that a little more.
• 23:38
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• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Because as a journalist you have to be well-versed and
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: i feel like i had so many years like working
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: on the beauty and the fashion stuff so i'm trying
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: to work on my weaknesses and try and improve on
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: types of writing that i'm not used to doing. Right.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: What are some of your favorite products that someone has
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: sent you that you were surprised about that you didn't
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: know of before?
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: I've done a lot of fake freckles. I think those
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: perform well on TikTok.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: What is that?
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: I have no idea. People are obsessed with getting fake
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: freckles for some reason. So I've tried like every fake
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: freckle product on the market.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: I didn't even know that a product existed for that.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: That's hysterical.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Okay. So that maybe that's one type of thing that
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: I probably wouldn't wear on the daily, but it's interesting
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: to people. And I just tried it in a funny way.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: It looked terrible on me, but I just wanted to
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: show what it was like. That was a funny one.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: I did. I do a lot of like cool makeup collabs.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: So one of my most viral videos is Mac stranger
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: things collection and So it really varies. I mean, you
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: never know what you're going to get out of my
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: page in a week.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Right, right. That's amazing. And that's why I think people
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: keep coming back, right? Okay, so let's get into your
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: book that comes out tomorrow. I have it right here.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: I thought it was adorable. My daughter stole it from
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: me halfway through and was like, Mom, I'm reading this.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: So which is super cool. It's partly a memoir, but
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: it's really giving advice. for teens about how to navigate
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: in the world of love and all sorts of stuff.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: How would you categorize it? What's your favorite part? What
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: do you want people to take from it?
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Okay. So this book, I really did not want it
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: to be a dating guide. I feel like that word
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: I associate with, you know, like a middle-aged woman writing
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: a book, telling teenagers how to date. And like, that's
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: really the only type of dating guide you have out there.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: So this is Part memoir, part manifesto is what I say.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: So it's a memoir. Each chapter is dedicated to one
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: of my personal experiences in dating. So each chapter represents
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: a different guy that I crossed paths with. And sprinkled
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: in there are little tidbits of helpful advice that I
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: learned along the way. But it was really important for
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: me not to tell teenagers how to date, who to date,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: or a give them rules for dating. I really just
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: wanted them to enjoy themselves, read through my experience and
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: be able to organically relate. And as I'm learning the lessons,
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: they learn along with me. As I'm making mistakes, they're
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: hopefully making mistakes in learning with me because they're going
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: through this as I'm going through this. I'm their peer
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: in this experience. That's my main hope, I think, for
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: the book, just that people are able to Relate, feel
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: like they're not alone in going through dating because it's
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: really hard. And some of those dating guides out there
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: just don't depict it in an authentic way. And, you know,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: as I wrote this when I was a teenager, as
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: a teenager, I know more than anyone what they're going through.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: And what you will learn as you get older is
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: that those first loves and those teen relationships actually stay
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: with you forever. My first kiss was somebody that I've
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: dated on and off for 25 years. And, uh, it's
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: someone that, you know, you always remember your first love
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: it's different or those first experiences while you're a teenager. It,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: it's never really the same as you get older. And
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: it's a different innocent love, which also affects you in
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: a way that can be more, you know, you get
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: more of an effect than when you're older and your
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: life experience has already, you know, been integrated into your life.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: So I think, you know, those teen years of love
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: and experience are so important to, and impactful and people
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: need to give them more credibility as well. I think
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: it's an adorable book. I hope it does really well
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: for you. And I think that you talk about something
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: at the end that the most important love you should
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: have is the love for yourself and your self-esteem. Talk
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: a little bit about that and how you came up
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: with that.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: So as I mentioned, each chapter is dedicated to a
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: different guy and a different relationship that I had. And
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: the at the end, I was really struggling with how
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: to end the book because I didn't want it to
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: be just another guy. I didn't want to, you know,
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: be fine. Like a guy that was like the hero.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: Like I was my own hero.
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: That's so important.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: That's, that's how I really wanted to end the book.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: I was going through anxiety as I was writing the book,
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: just in my own personal life. And I was kind
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: of keeping both worlds separate. So, you know, like I mentioned,
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: directing your directing your energy into something you're passionate about
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: when you're feeling anxious. My outlet was my book and
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: I never really tied those two things together, my anxiety
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: and my book until I needed an ending for my book.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: And I realized that all of these things I'd been
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: going through, all these anxious thoughts that I had been
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: having only made me a stronger person in life, in
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: love and dating. And I feel like after going through
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: this whole anxiety journey I have such a strong sense
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: of self-worth and I came out the other end just
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: knowing you know the type of person I am and
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: the type of love that I deserve and that's why
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: I wanted to end this book about self-love you hear
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: all the time you can't love others until you love yourself,
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: but that could not be more true. You hear it
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: all the time, but I really elaborate on what it
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: means to love yourself. It means to look in the
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: mirror and not love yourself every day, but realize that
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: you are a wholeheartedly a good person and that you
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: deserve everything and owning your emotions and owning your vulnerability
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: when when it's hard and all all of those aspects
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: are self-love it's not just looking in the mirror and
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: hyping yourself up and saying you know I look hot
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: today it's so much more than that and that's the
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: type of message that I want to give my readers.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: At the end of this book Yeah, I mean, it's
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: different than like an ego kind of putting yourself on
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: a pedestal, but it's really choosing yourself when situations you're
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: in might not be the best situation or you think
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: you need a guy or a girl, whoever you're dating,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: and you realize you're better off without them because your
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: self-worth is much better than the way that they're treating you.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: So I think that's a really important lesson to learn
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: early in life because so many people, it takes them
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: decades to learn that lesson. So I think that's terrific.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: So I just have a couple of quick questions for you,
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: short questions. What is your binge on TV right now?
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: My binge on TV right now. Okay, this is so
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: random and don't make fun of me. I haven't had
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: much time to watch TV lately with the book. But
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: the one thing that I go to when I have
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: time is It Cake on Netflix. Oh, yeah.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: To verify, contact info.ireland.baylor.com.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Yes, I know that.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Okay. It's a cooking show. It's just so fun, but
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: it's like so cringe, but it's so fun. That's why
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: I watch it anyway.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Okay, good answer. Do you watch reality TV?
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Hell yeah. I was on a reality TV show. I
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: have a chapter in my book about it. I'm not
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: going to give too much away, but I give some
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: behind the scenes secrets. It was not all that. So
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: I watch it, but I'm not a big fan. Well, okay.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: So we won't give too much away there, but can
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: we say you are on the next influencer and what
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: that was like for you being on a show like that?
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, it was horrible. I'm so open about it now. Yeah,
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: it was horrible. I mean, it's just like reality TV
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: is not reality. I'm a huge fan of shows like
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: The Bachelor and I watch shows like that and think
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: like it's all real until I was in a situation myself.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: And I realized like, it's just, it's not like everything
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: just feels, feels like you're in like a manufactured universe.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Like it just does not feel realistic. And I mean,
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: without talking too much about like the actual reality show,
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: I think I went into it thinking it was going
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: to be like a bachelor type scenario. Like I'm in
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: a content house with a bunch of influencers. Maybe I'll
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: find like a guy for me. And I only found
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: like assholes. Right.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: And then also I saw that there was some conflict, right.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: With a girl, um, you had thought she, or you
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: felt bullied, um, within the group. She suggested that you
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: were making that up and that became kind of a
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: bully moment in and of itself. Um, just watching some
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: of those videos of how that went down in the confrontation.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: How did you feel about being put in that situation?
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: It was super frustrating. I mean, As someone who's like
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: a no bully ambassador, I feel like when I say
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: I'm feeling bullied, that's like not to be taken lightly.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: And in the reality TV world where I'm in a
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: house with people who are like over the age of 21,
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: they don't want to be called a bully. They don't
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: want their reputation to be wrecked. So as soon as
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: I break out, you know, the bully word, it's like,
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: you know, all claws are out. So it was really
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: tough to try and like defend myself against that. I
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: think there were like 11 people in that house, let
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: alone like producers running around, playing into the whole thing.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: So I think overall, it was really tough, but it
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: made me a stronger person. And I think, you know,
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: in my chapter about it, you really hear my side
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: of the story. Yeah.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: And you definitely, just from the videos I've watched, held
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: your ground in a respectful way. So I thought you
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: did a good job. Who do you follow? Like, who
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: do you think is just the coolest right now?
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Like an influencer? Yeah.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Anybody really?
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Basic answer, but I will explain why. I think the
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: D'Amelio girls, Charlie and Dixie D'Amelio are fantastic influencers.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Like I think there's a reason why they have the following.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: They do.
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Like Charlie's a great dancer. Dixie's a great singer. They
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: are so much more than that. I think the way
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: that they're so open about their mental health and how
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: difficult it is to just fall into the spotlight randomly
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: and get overnight fame. It's relatable not only to me
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: as an influencer, but to so many young girls out
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: there who are struggling with their own self-esteem to see
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Charlie post a photo with her acne or Dixie talk
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: about her anxiety. I think they're both fantastic role models
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: and people that people should look up to, young girls
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: should look up to.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: And my daughter is obsessed with them. And I remember
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: they got a show and kind of really showed a
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: different side of them. I mean, you only saw them
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: on Instagram or wherever, looking like they were having the
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: time of their lives. And then that show really translates
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: to the fact that it was very hard for them
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: to deal with the mental health that came with it
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: and to deal with being in the public eye like
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: that and having producers follow them. Do you agree with that?
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Did you notice that?
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: I think the show is... it was great. And I
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: could relate a lot because on the outside, you look
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: like you're having a time. You have all these followers,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: all these perks of being an influencer, but behind the scenes,
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: it's really hard. You know, sometimes you can't hang out
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: with your friends as much as you want to. I
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: have this sentence in my book. Like I may seem
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: like the girl who has it all on the outside,
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: but I'm just a normal 20 year old girl going
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: to college, trying to make friends, trying to, you know,
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: make a name for herself in like the journalism world.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Like I'm working just as hard as every other person
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: out there. And sometimes you don't, you don't realize that
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: when you just see a number online. Right.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Okay. Let's talk about fashion for one second. What are
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: we wearing this fall?
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  Speaker 2: What?
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: So my daughter only freaks out over Lululemon and Aviator Nation.
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  Speaker 1: Like that cannot keep.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, I love your daughter. That's me.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: So those are still in style. Give me, give me
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: something that, that is like a tip for later on
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: in the next couple of months so that I can
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: get there before everyone else.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Okay. So Lululemon, Aviator Nation, Love Shot Fancy, that's all
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: like crappy style. So I feel like those will always
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: be staples. Like no matter what season, I think it
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: depends on what age. I think as a 20 year old,
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: I can talk for like people in Gen Z, like
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: my generation. Okay. I, It pains me to say this,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: but blazers. I used to hate blazers, but blazers are
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: so chic now. Like you see everyone wearing a blazer,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: not just to the office, but to school, like a
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: brightly colored blazer. I interned this past summer at the
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: New York Post and I get compliments every day on
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: my blazers. So apparently blazers are the way to go.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: I was just at Fashion Week yesterday and this is
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: for the spring season, but I guess I'm well this
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: is a trend for the spring season but there's a
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: lot of roses coming up and I feel like I
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: have to mention it because you know roses oh yes
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: amazing I was like texting my mom and I was
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: like you would not believe like what the trend is
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: for this spring this is perfect like everyone's wearing roses
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: this fashion week so that's a big one that's two
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: seasons two seasons.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: Away okay And what about for teens in particular? Is
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: there something new besides Aviator Nation that's going to be cool?
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: I think hot take here. I think originality is trending.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Wear whatever you want. Okay.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: That's the main thing.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: I don't really look to trends as much as I
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: used to as a fashion blogger. I think you should
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: just wear what makes you feel comfortable.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: That's a really good answer. Okay, so what can we
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: expect from you in the future? I know you shut
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: down the fact that you are going to turn into
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: some big actress. So short term, is there anything you're
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: working on? And then big term, what's on your bucket list?
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Sure. So short term, I want to finish college. I
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: have two more semesters left. So that's mostly, I guess,
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: top priority list next to promoting the book. I'm going
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: on a book tour in two weeks, which is really exciting.
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: Well, I guess.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: By the time this episode comes out, it's going to
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: be the week. So that's exciting. But I think in
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: terms of a long-term goal for my book, I'd love
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: to see this turn into a TV series. At one point,
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: a Gen Z sex in the city that teenagers will
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: love and enjoy on the Disney channel, on Netflix. I
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: feel like that would be so fun. Having each episode,
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: a different guy experienced.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Gold. That is amazing.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: You've heard it here. We're putting that out in the universe.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: What is the most misunderstood thing about teens and mental health?
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: That we go through it. I mean, it sounds so basic,
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: but just because we're young and we don't have a
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: lot of life under our belt, doesn't mean that we
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: don't feel things and you know hurt sometimes and really
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: hurt not just because you know we got a bad
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: grade on a test but because adulting is hard so
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: I think you look at a teenager who cries for
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: help sometimes and you see him and you go you
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: know oh she's just being a kid like oh it's
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: not a big deal but when when your kid cries
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: for help you should listen no matter how old they
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: are So I think that's the biggest misunderstanding, just that
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: we do go through things. And just because we're under
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: the age of 21 doesn't mean we don't hurt sometimes
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: just like adults do.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: And I feel like for even your very young age,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: you've been through it. What would you say is something
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: that you've been through that you feel misunderstood that is
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: kind of a universal theme that people can understand? I mean,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: I think it's pretty universal that everyone feels misunderstood, if
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: not now in the past. What's something misunderstood about you
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: that you want people to know?
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: I think for me as an influencer, I often feel
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: misunderstood because people look at my social media and they
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: don't see me as anything more than just an influencer.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: And that's something other people can relate to as well
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: because we see these photos online and it looks like,
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: you know, this perfect, a picture, perfect life. And we
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: don't really think about what goes on behind the scenes,
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: but you know, for me and for so many other
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: people behind the scenes, we could be struggling. It doesn't
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: really matter what's going on in the outside. I mean,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: I'm just a normal 20 year old girl. And just
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: because I have a million followers on Instagram doesn't mean
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: that I'm not going through it myself.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that is so actually important to
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: mention because social media, it's a lot of smoke and mirrors, right?
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: So people get so swept up in thinking that that's
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: what people's lives are like. They're just showing the best photos, clearly,
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: of what's going on. And it's okay to go through
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: bad times. It's okay to have a pendulum of life.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: In my opinion, you have to experience that pendulum. you
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: have to experience one side, which is the sadness, the hurt,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: the feeling really low, and kind of marinating in it
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: and learning from it to be able to experience that
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: same level of happiness and the highs and feeling proud
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: of yourself. Because with that pendulum, you get to see
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: the arc of life. And I think it's really important.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: And People should remember, especially young people, that you don't
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: always have to be happy. You don't always have to
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: be looking in love and like things are great. It's
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: okay because everyone understands what it's like to not have
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: your best day, right?
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: I always say joy and anxiety can coexist at the
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: same time. You can be enjoying, I don't know, a
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: picnic at the park, but at the same time, be
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: feeling super anxious for no particular reason. And that's okay.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Like our emotions... negative and positive can coexist. And that's
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: something that I feel like is often misunderstood as well.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Like teenagers feel like they're having a good time and
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden they get like a negative thought or,
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: you know, like a burst of anxiety or like a
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: heart palpitation. And it's like, Oh my God, look, something's
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: wrong with me. And you kind of just have to
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: stay grounded and realize like, it's okay. I'm present in
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: this moment. Yes. I'm having fun right now. And I'm
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: also having anxiety and those two things can coexist. Yeah.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great advice.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: Where can people get my real life rom-com? Let them
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: know where they can buy it.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: So by the time this podcast comes out, the book
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: will be out tomorrow. You can get my real life rom-com.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: You can pre-order it now if you can't wait, but
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: it's officially available tomorrow on Amazon, Barnes and Noble, Walmart, Target,
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: basically anywhere that they sell books. Awesome.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: It's a great read. If you feel like it doesn't
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: apply to you, it definitely applies to someone you know,
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: your child, your cousin, whoever. I'm telling you, my daughter
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: is working her way through it and I read it
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: myself and I thought it was fantastic. So good luck
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: to you, Carrie. I wish you the best and I
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: can't wait to see what you come up with in
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: the future. You're such a superstar, but I really appreciate it.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: I thought it was a great episode.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Thank you. I'd love to meet you and your daughter sometime.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: She sounds so cool.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, you're so cute. And I love the fact that
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: you guys went to PS6.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: I love PSX. I'm still like, I know, was Miss
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Fontana her principal? Yes. Yeah, we're still very close with
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Miss Fontana.
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: Oh.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: That's great. It was such a great school. And she
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: loved the peer mediator program. And we just moved to
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Palm Beach and she goes to a private school down here.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: And I actually brought up to the school that they
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: should start a peer mediation program because PS6 did such
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: a good job. So no one had ever heard of
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: that before. I was like, oh my God, this was
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: the greatest program. So I love that it had such
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: an impact on you.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: It did. I've been talking about it since I was eight.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: I'm 12 years and I'm still talking about it.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And my daughter is such a sweet girl because like,
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: you can't, even if I find that I say something,
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: the slightest bit with a tone, she's like, mom, that
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be the way that you think about things. You know,
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: she's really calm. I know it really is good. So
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: I really attribute that to PS six. I'm very lucky
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: that you went there and I pulled her out of
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: private school to send her there during COVID. So I
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: feel like she really did get a good education. I'm
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: proud of that school.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: It's, it's a fantastic school. And it, I, happy that
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: it's still, you know, continuing the legacy.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Yes, for sure.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: So if we're ever in New York, I'm going to
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: text you. And if you ever make it down to
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: the Palm Beach.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Area, I'll be there.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, cool. Talk to you soon.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 45:49
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