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Fred and Rose West: Inside One of Britain's Most Notorious Criminal Cases · The conspiracy

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  Speaker 1: Crime, conspiracy, cults, and murder. All things that I love
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  Speaker 1: I like to talk about with you because I find
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  Speaker 1: And today I thought we'd delve into something I have
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  Speaker 1: not talked about yet on this channel and that is
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  Speaker 1: a couple serial killers. Not a couple serial killers. Serial
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  Speaker 1: killers who are a couple. Specifically Fred and Rose West.
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  Speaker 1: Names synonymous with horror, depravity, and unspeakable acts. This was
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  Speaker 1: a married couple that collectively murdered up to 30 young
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  Speaker 1: women over the span of two decades. Together they would
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  Speaker 1: build a torture dungeon in their home at 25 Cromwell
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  Speaker 1: Street in the small English town of Gloucester.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry if I said that wrong.
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  Speaker 1: And it is there that they would murder runaways, hitchhikers,
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  Speaker 1: and even family as a part of their regular sejual life.
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  Speaker 1: treating these strangers as nothing more than trash. And it
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  Speaker 1: is at this address where they would dispose of the
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  Speaker 1: girls as well. In this video, we will delve into
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  Speaker 1: the chilling chronicles of their lives from their births to
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  Speaker 1: their eventual demise. So let's unbuckle our seat belts, go
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  Speaker 1: this video. Let's get back to it. Also, I know
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  Speaker 1: I am not in my regular space. I am in
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  Speaker 1: Texas and I do look like I am OompaVille, but
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  Speaker 1: I'm not. I am just in his space using his
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  Speaker 1: stuff because I don't have mine yet. So we're just gonna,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna have this. this questionable background for today. So
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  Speaker 1: let's start with Fred West. Fred was born on September 29th, 1941,
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  Speaker 1: in a rural town of McMarkle, England, again, sorry if
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  Speaker 1: I said that wrong, to a very, very poor family.
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  Speaker 1: His parents were named Walter and Daisy West. And although
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  Speaker 1: those names sound very pleasant, they were in fact the
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  Speaker 1: exact opposite. Not only were they hideous on the inside,
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  Speaker 1: they were hideous on the outside as well, being called
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  Speaker 1: literal ogres by people that knew them. And don't take
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  Speaker 1: my word for it, look at them for yourself. I
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  Speaker 1: can only make fun of them because I know they're literal.
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  Speaker 2: Pieces of shit.
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  Speaker 1: So Fred would be the firstborn of five children, one
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  Speaker 1: of which was a raging psychopath, just like Fred. And
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  Speaker 1: his name was John West. He was later found to
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  Speaker 1: be a possible accomplice to Fred and Rose West later
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  Speaker 1: on for the grapes and murders committed against Fred and
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  Speaker 1: Rose's victims. But that's actually very new information. So we
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  Speaker 1: don't have a lot on that right now. So for now,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to focus on Fred. So Fred's family was
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  Speaker 1: the accomplices. epitome of poverty, turmoil, and mistreatment. If you
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  Speaker 1: were to know nothing about his crimes as an adult
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  Speaker 1: and just heard about his childhood, you could guess pretty
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  Speaker 1: quick that this kid was going to grow up pretty
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  Speaker 1: fucked up and into some weird ass shit. Not that
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  Speaker 1: there's anything wrong with growing up poor. I think a
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  Speaker 1: lot of us did and turned out not to, you know,
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  Speaker 1: murder everyone we know.
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  Speaker 2: But when it's coupled with.
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  Speaker 1: and brainwashing and severe head trauma, it might lead.
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  Speaker 2: To a different story like it did for Fred.
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  Speaker 1: Not making excuses for him, by the way, I hate
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  Speaker 1: this man with all of my being, but I think
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  Speaker 1: the history of these people becoming who they are is
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  Speaker 1: extremely interesting. So like I said, Fred's parents were far
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  Speaker 1: from well-off and were even further from being sane.
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  Speaker 2: But before anything crazy... happened to Fred. He was known
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  Speaker 2: to be.
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  Speaker 1: A very boring and dull child and would routinely get
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  Speaker 1: bullied and beat up by his peers in school, along
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  Speaker 1: with his teachers, you know, back in the good old
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  Speaker 1: days when your teachers beat you for not writing a
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  Speaker 1: cursive word correctly. So because he got beat up so
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  Speaker 1: much in school, his mother would often step in and
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  Speaker 1: come to his aid, and he would become quite the
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  Speaker 1: mommy's boy. And this was more true than anyone could imagine,
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  Speaker 1: because when he turned 12 years old, Daisy West began
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  Speaker 1: having sejual inter-you-know-what with.
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  Speaker 2: Her oldest son, Fred, aka Daisy. mommy's boy.
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  Speaker 1: And this was normal for them. Obviously, Fred didn't know
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  Speaker 1: any better because he was a little child at the time,
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  Speaker 1: but it was not incredibly unusual for the time for
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  Speaker 1: this to be taking place in families in this area
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  Speaker 1: specifically as well. Don't get me wrong, most people did
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  Speaker 1: find this appalling and it wasn't necessarily normal or that
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  Speaker 1: everybody did it, but there was more families than you
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  Speaker 1: would like to believe that practiced this More so between
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  Speaker 1: cousins doing the dirty with each other, not necessarily, you know,
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  Speaker 1: mothers and sons. But it still flew under the radar
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  Speaker 1: amongst a lot of people. Fred's father, on the other hand,
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  Speaker 1: told and encouraged Fred to use an.
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  Speaker 2: other children.
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  Speaker 1: He said that it was just the natural thing to do.
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  Speaker 1: And Fred would internalize this to the fullest extent and
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  Speaker 1: terrorize other kids in the neighborhood as much as he could.
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  Speaker 1: Even after he was caught and scolded about assaulting multiple
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  Speaker 1: girls in the community, he was bewildered by the fact
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  Speaker 1: that anyone really cared. Him saying that, well, everyone did it,
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  Speaker 1: so why can't I do it? That's kind of what
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  Speaker 1: he sounded, that's not exactly what he sounded like. That's what,
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  Speaker 1: that's what he's going to sound like in this video, right?
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  Speaker 2: As a 12 year old.
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  Speaker 1: So you'll start to see how Fred's family basically groomed
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  Speaker 1: him to believe anyone besides yourself is disposable playthings that
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  Speaker 1: you can use and throw out anytime with zero repercussions.
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  Speaker 1: Now by 15, Fred left school barely able to read
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  Speaker 1: or write above a second grade level. And although dumb
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  Speaker 1: and cruel, people did think he was one of the best.
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  Speaker 2: Looking teens in town. What the f * * *?
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  Speaker 1: And for the most part, besides occasionally trying to be
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  Speaker 1: a creep and girls and bullying other kids, he was
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  Speaker 1: probably going to stay a pretty mild criminal like his father,
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  Speaker 1: according to professionals that psyche-vout him later in life and
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't become the sadistic murderer he was come to be
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  Speaker 1: known as.
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  Speaker 2: But what is assumed to have.
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  Speaker 1: Sparked those murderous psychopathic sadistic tendencies was an event that
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  Speaker 1: happened when he was 17 years old. One day, he
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  Speaker 1: was riding his motorcycle while a girl was riding her
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  Speaker 1: bicycle in the opposite direction toward him. And Fred, being
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  Speaker 1: the little that he was, tried to intentionally run her over,
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  Speaker 1: but in doing so, he crashed his bike and flew
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  Speaker 1: over the handlebars, landing right on top of his head,
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  Speaker 1: putting him into a seven-day coma. Or should I say
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  Speaker 1: seven-day karma?
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  Speaker 2: Am I right?
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, and that injury to his frontal cortex alone would
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  Speaker 1: have probably put him right in with plenty of other
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  Speaker 1: serial killers.
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  Speaker 2: Brain chemistries.
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  Speaker 1: But this dumb little bastard ended up hitting his head
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  Speaker 1: again shortly after the first time he did. And this
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  Speaker 1: happened when he was trying to grab a girl on
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  Speaker 1: a balcony inappropriately.
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  Speaker 2: Shocking. Classic Fred.
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  Speaker 1: But she ended up punching him in the face and
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  Speaker 1: he ended up falling off the two-story building and landing
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  Speaker 1: on his head, losing consciousness again. So having two severe
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  Speaker 1: concussions back to back at the time. At this point,
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  Speaker 1: I think there was some higher power trying to get
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  Speaker 1: rid of Fred West, but this mother was gifted with
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  Speaker 1: the nine lives of a.
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  Speaker 2: Cat at birth. So I digress.
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  Speaker 1: So when Fred recovered from these injuries, everyone around him
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  Speaker 1: said that he changed for the worst, being more short-tempered
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  Speaker 1: and violent than before. And this is a very common
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  Speaker 1: thing among serial killers. For those of you who don't know,
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  Speaker 1: frontal lobe injuries in the early years of serial killers
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  Speaker 1: are said to be one of the causes of later
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  Speaker 1: crimes due to the reduction of size and.
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  Speaker 2: Activity in their prefrontal cortex.
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  Speaker 1: This is the area of the brain that's responsible for
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  Speaker 1: decision making, impulse control, and epathy. And neurologists have studied
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  Speaker 1: at length that individuals who have undergone damage to their
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  Speaker 1: ventromedial frontal cortex and who had normal personalities before the
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  Speaker 1: damage developed abnormal social conduct, leading to negative personal consequences.
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  Speaker 1: And although this is true for some serial killers, brain
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  Speaker 1: damage cannot be the motivator for serial killing alone. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: 46% of all confessed serial killers have no frontal damage whatsoever.
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  Speaker 2: Or any brain damage at all.
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  Speaker 1: The majority admits that they were perfectly aware of the
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  Speaker 1: acts that they were doing before, during, and after committing
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  Speaker 1: the crimes. It's often a mixture of nature and nurture,
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  Speaker 1: but when both those aspects of their life are negative
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  Speaker 1: and you throw in a little frontal lobe injury, it's
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  Speaker 1: a recipe for disaster. Anyway, neurological lesson over. Let's get
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  Speaker 1: back to it. Now, after Fred sustained his head injuries,
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  Speaker 1: he started to go off the rails. When he was 19,
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  Speaker 1: he began having a relationship with a 13-year-old girl.
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  Speaker 2: That's a crime.
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  Speaker 1: And proceeded to also get her pregnant. That's also a crime.
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  Speaker 2: It's a two-for-one.
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  Speaker 1: And he would be arrested for this initially, saying that
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  Speaker 1: it was having unlawful carnal knowledge of a child, whatever
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  Speaker 1: that means. So after his charges in trial, Fred would
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  Speaker 1: quickly become known as the town brain-damaged violent child And
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  Speaker 1: with this astounding reputation, believe it or not, he couldn't
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  Speaker 1: get a job. So he would move to another town
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  Speaker 1: called Ledbury and would do odd manual labor jobs in
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  Speaker 1: construction mostly. And this would be the job he'd do
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  Speaker 1: for the most part in and during his adult life.
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  Speaker 1: And these would be the skills he'd use in building
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  Speaker 1: the torture chamber that came to be in his family
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  Speaker 1: home in the years to come as well. So Fred
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  Speaker 1: now working and stealing in Ledbury, he was also a kleptomaniac,
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  Speaker 1: can you believe it? He had an ex-girlfriend named Rena
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  Speaker 1: Costello return home from traveling.
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  Speaker 2: They had dated.
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  Speaker 1: Previously years before for a short period of time, and
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  Speaker 1: then she had left, and then she had traveled back,
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  Speaker 1: and they hit it off again. And also, she was
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  Speaker 1: pregnant with a Glasgow bus driver's child. And after finding
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  Speaker 1: out the child would be mixed race, Fred took it
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  Speaker 1: upon himself to offer slash convince to abort the child
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  Speaker 1: for her in the woods.
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  Speaker 2: What a gentleman.
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  Speaker 1: But luckily, while he was performing the abortion in the woods,
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  Speaker 1: they would get caught by somebody and be forced to stop.
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  Speaker 1: And Fred would then agree to raise the child instead
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  Speaker 1: of trying to abort it. What a swell guy. So
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  Speaker 1: in 1962, Fred and Rena would get married. And can
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  Speaker 1: you believe it? The guy that wanted to rip out
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  Speaker 1: a child from the woman's body wasn't the best husband.
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  Speaker 1: Immediately after they got married, Fred treated Rena like a
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  Speaker 1: sejual object and nothing else, demanding it constantly and treating
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  Speaker 1: her like she was less than human, which you'll find
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  Speaker 1: a major pattern in with Fred's MO. And this next
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  Speaker 1: part probably seems like it's not important to the rest
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  Speaker 1: of this story, but Fred was a constant premature ejaculator.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: And when I say premature, I mean literal seconds. He
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  Speaker 1: was known as the one pump and dump on the
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  Speaker 1: streets and in the sheets if you're picking up what
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  Speaker 1: I'm laying down.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't actually known as that. I just wanted to
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  Speaker 2: say that.
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  Speaker 1: So life was shitty for everyone involved at this point,
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  Speaker 1: mostly being Rena. But things would get substantially worse when
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  Speaker 1: Rena gave birth to that other man's mixed child in
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  Speaker 1: March of 1963. And the baby ended up being a
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  Speaker 1: girl and they named her Charmaine. Now Fred was too
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  Speaker 1: embarrassed to have a mixed race baby. So he would
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  Speaker 1: convince everybody in their neighborhood that Rena's child was a
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  Speaker 1: stillborn and that they got Charmaine in replacement of the stillborn,
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  Speaker 1: so it wasn't his kid, which it wasn't in the
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  Speaker 1: first place. He just didn't want to be associated with
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  Speaker 1: having a wife that had another man's child, basically. But
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  Speaker 1: Fred would still hate the child and end up leaving
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  Speaker 1: Rena for a new life in Glasgow anyway.
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  Speaker 2: So none of it really mattered.
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  Speaker 1: And in Glasgow, he would somehow manage to become an
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  Speaker 1: even creepier piece of shit, driving around in ice cream
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  Speaker 1: truck van as a new job. Just it's, he's just
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  Speaker 1: a stereotype at this point. It's like a movie was,
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  Speaker 1: this is like a true horror movie, truly. And we're
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  Speaker 1: not even, we're not.
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  Speaker 2: Even scraping the surface yet. Just hold tight.
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  Speaker 1: And with this truck, he tried to pick up teenage
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  Speaker 1: girls to get with in the truck. And it is
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  Speaker 1: unconfirmed how many girls he got successfully into the truck.
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  Speaker 1: And it's unknown how many he but we know that
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  Speaker 1: once he did get them into the truck, he most
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  Speaker 1: likely dismembered and murdered them from crimes we will see
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  Speaker 1: in the future. After Fred would get arrested for his
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  Speaker 1: crimes with Rose, later in the future, police would trace
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  Speaker 1: him back to living in Glasgow. At the same time,
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  Speaker 1: four young girls fitting Fred's victim type went missing without
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  Speaker 1: a trace, so we can comfortably assume that he was
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  Speaker 1: responsible for that, but we don't know for sure. They
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  Speaker 1: would also find out that he had a garden plot
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  Speaker 1: in the community garden that he would demand be kept
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  Speaker 1: clear from everybody in the community for something special. That
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  Speaker 1: something special most likely being the girls that he murdered.
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  Speaker 1: And we also can assume that because that's how he
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  Speaker 1: disposed of bodies in the future when he murdered girls
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  Speaker 1: with Rose West as well. And by the time police
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  Speaker 1: would find Fred's first victim, they could clearly see that
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  Speaker 1: he had murdered before, so they can safely assume that
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  Speaker 1: he had murdered girls in Glasgow as well. But they
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  Speaker 1: couldn't check this because by the time they learned about
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  Speaker 1: these murders and about the garden that was in Glasgow,
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  Speaker 1: there was 13 lanes of traffic built over top of
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  Speaker 1: the garden.
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  Speaker 2: So we'll never know for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Now, unfortunately, Rina would eventually join Fred again in Scotland
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  Speaker 1: and shortly after that become pregnant with Fred's first child,
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  Speaker 1: and she would give birth to another girl named Anne-Marie.
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  Speaker 1: This guy was getting bitches pregnant left and right, by
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  Speaker 1: the way. You'll see in the story. I can't even
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  Speaker 1: remember how many kids he has.
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  Speaker 2: At least 10. 8?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I can't remember. We'll get to it, but it's insane.
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  Speaker 1: And Fred would also get two other women in Glasgow
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  Speaker 1: pregnant and have two sons named Stephen and Garrett. And
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  Speaker 1: we'll hear about these boys later in the story as well.
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  Speaker 1: And Rena wasn't much better. I mean, she wasn't killing
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  Speaker 1: people or anything, but she would go off and sleep
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  Speaker 1: with another bus driver.
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  Speaker 2: This woman had a thing for bus drivers. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know what to tell you.
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  Speaker 1: And she would temporarily leave Fred for John, the bus driver.
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  Speaker 1: But eventually she would do what she always does and
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  Speaker 1: return back to her original shit-stained husband, Fred. And you're
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  Speaker 1: probably wondering what the hell Fred did with all these
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  Speaker 1: kids that were running around while he was off murdering
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  Speaker 1: people and trying to get people into his ice cream
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: truck and whatnot. Well, he would just drop them off
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: at a babysitter's. Just kidding, he dropped them off at
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: foster care for days to weeks on end. So he
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: would go through the trouble of putting his kids into
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: the system so he could get his knob wet for 2.5
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: seconds uninterrupted, and then he'd go grab him when he
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: felt like it. Dad of the year, truly. Rita would
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: also hire a live-in nanny to help. And also so Fred,
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: you know, wouldn't keep putting his kids into foster care,
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: because he was a lazy piece of shit. And this
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: nanny was named Issa McNeil. And from what Issa claimed,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: Fred used to make his two daughters sleep in the
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: bottom bunk where there was two slats that pin them
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: into a literal frame like animals. And they would only
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: be let out when he went to work. So they
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: were literally treated worse than dogs. And again, this, it
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: gets just so much worse. And eventually Issa would introduce
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: Rina to a 16 year old runaway named Anna McClure.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: Fall and she would actually move into.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Fred and Rena's house as well and you'll see this
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: become a pattern and a tactic Fred and Rose would
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: use to gather people in the future and they would
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: gather people like this that they liked and then eventually
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: dispose of them but we'll get to that and it
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: was also around this time that Anna moved in with
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Fred that Fred would accidentally run over a boy with
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: his ice cream truck and kill him but not be
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: charged because that was just a thing that happened enough
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: for him to just not get charged, which is.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: Crazy. But after this incident, he decided he wanted to
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: go back to Much Markle. Much Markle? Muck Markle? I'm
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: sorry if I'm saying that wrong. Muck Markle.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Rena would follow in toll with her two kids and
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Isa and Anna, but they all would collectively at this
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: point live in a caravan. So naturally things were always
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: filthy and disgusting and tense to say the least. I
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: couldn't even spend two hours in a van with my
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: entire family. I can't imagine the hell hole that this
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: caravan was. So in 1966, Fred got a job at
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: a slaughterhouse. Yeah. But this job was to actually move
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: product from one place to another. So he wasn't actually
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: slaughtering anything.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: But he was, but he was. It just wasn't animals.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: And at this point, he was pretty comfy moving dead
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: bodies around, if you know what I'm saying. So while
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: Fred was working at the slaughterhouse, Rena made a plan
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: to go back to Glasgow to be with bus driver
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: John again, taking the kids and the nannies with her.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: But Fred would come back to them packing up everything
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: that evening and threaten to kill them if they did
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: ditch him. Serena, being the protective, devoted mother that she was,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: packed up her shit and got the hell out of
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Dodge and just left her kids behind with a- murdering Fred. Anyway,
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: so Rena left with Issa, the babysitter, and the kids
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: were left with Fred and Anna. Anna decided to stay
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: back because she was, you know, responsible and wanted to
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: take care of the kids because their mother just left
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: to go bounce up and down on a bus driver's prindle.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: But unfortunately, this would prove to be a fatal decision
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: for Anna. See, Anna was somehow infatuated with Fred. Reasons
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: are which unknown because... I don't know. But it was
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: most likely because she developed some sort of Stockholm syndrome
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: with Fred, both fearing and wanting him to love her,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: even though he did horrible things to her. And when
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Rina would end up coming back to get her children
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: after she was done, you know, bouncing up and down
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: on the bus driver's prindle, she would find that Fred
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: and Anna were actually together. But Fred would gather a
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: whopping eight. eight essay charges against other women during this
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: two-year period. So he wasn't exactly the faithful type, but
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't expect anything less from, you know.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Murdering asshole.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: And also years and years after Fred got caught, investigators
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: would take another look at Fred's case and find that
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: essentially everywhere he went, there was a trail of missing
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: bodies or cold cases in his wake. So police are
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: almost certain Fred alone killed dozens more women than we know.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: So in 1967, Anna fell pregnant with another one of
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Fred's children. Oh, and I forgot to mention she's 17.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: She's 17 at this point. He loves getting children pregnant,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: which is just Terrible. And at this time, he was
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: around 26 or 27. And speaking of crimes, Anna would
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: up and disappear in the summer of 1967.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: And Fred wouldn't be asked about it really because she
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: was a runaway, if you remember.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: And nobody really took notice or cared about runaways at
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: that time. but her body would be discovered in 1994,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: 27 years later in Fingerpost Field, almost surgically dismembered with
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: the head being detached from her body along with her limbs.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: And it was almost certainly not Fred's first kill. Fred
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: also at some point had cut the unborn child out
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: of Anna as well, after death, Fred would confess that
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: he would dismember their bodies because it made it easier
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: to bury.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Them in a more shallow grave.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: So he's not only a murdering piece of shit, he's
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: also a lazy piece of shit. In murdering and then
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: dismembering the bodies as well, he would also slice off
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: the corpse's fingers, toes, ankles, wrists, and kneecaps. Although he
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: would claim it was to make it harder to identify
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: the bodies for the police if they ever found them,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: police believe he just kept them for himself as trophies
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: or possibly to consume. So Anna now being out of
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: the picture and Rina growing tired of the bus driver,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Rina decided to come back to Fred and start a
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: new job. A job Fred very much encouraged her to do.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: And that was to be a lady of the night,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: if you know what I mean. Fred loved that Rina
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: got into this kind of work. He was like a
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: sick little 15-year-old schoolboy that liked to show off his
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: girlfriend's nudes to his friends. He just loved to show
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: all of her off to everyone that would look, basically.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: And it was around this time that Fred picked up
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: a girl named Mary Bastam, and he would kill her.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: This would be a murder that Fred would confess to
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: to his son, Steven, after his arrest, but the body
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: was never found, so he was never charged for it.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Which also begs the question, How many bodies did we
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: not know about? And it could be in the dozens.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: But shortly getting back with Rena, Fred somehow, being the
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: ladies man that he is, found his one true love,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: his partner in crime, his match made in hell, the
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: woman he'd create a murderous homemade dungeon with, Rose Pauline.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Now Rose Letts was born on November 29th, 1953 in Northam, Devon,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: England to William Letts and Daisy Fuller. Yes, Rose and
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Fred both had mothers named Daisy, but just like Fred's mother,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Rose's mother Daisy was not so.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Sweet as her name proclaimed.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Rose's mother in fact suffered from a postpartum depression after
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: having four children. and she would go on to have
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: seven children in total. But to cure her PPD, doctors
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: prescribed her electroconvulsive therapy. Therapy so intense that teeth would
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: literally shatter out of patients mouths. Pretty sure that would
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: cure you because all you could think about was the
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: pain instead of your depression.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: But I digress.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: When Daisy was pregnant with Rose, the doctors convinced her
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: to continue these electroconvulsive therapy sessions.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: So Rose was literally just being microwaved in the womb.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: And as a result of that, Rose's brain was essentially
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: being fried in utero, shadow to Nirvana. Now, did this
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: make Rose a psychotic, narcissistic murderer that she became? No,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: but it definitely played a small part in her brain
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: not developing to its full potential. So having a not
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: so premium brain coupled with the fact that she lived
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: with literal monsters helped in facilitating who she became later
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: in life. One of the bigger factors being meeting Fred.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: So as a child, Rose was known to have a
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: very dull, empty, doe-eyed look at her eyes.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: The 30-yard stare, if you will.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: So her siblings would naturally make fun of her and
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: call her Dozy Rosie, which I think is actually a
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: cute nickname for a terrible, terrible human being. I hate
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: this woman more than anything.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: And you'll see. You'll see down the line.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: So Rose would naturally spend most of her time alone
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: with her six hamsters.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Who the fuck? His six amps.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: Whatever.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: But what screwed up Rose most as a child was
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: her piece of shit father, William Letts. Now, William was
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: a schizophrenic diagnosed at a very young age and would
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: constantly suffer from severe psychotic episodes in front of his
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: family and on his own. But he would just not
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: tell him that he was schizophrenic. He just kept that
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: to himself. So the family literally just thought he was
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: genuinely schizophrenic. just a psychopath because they didn't know about
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: his condition. But diagnosis aside, Will was.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: An absolute piece of shit like I was saying.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: He would often beat his children, throwing them against walls,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: beating them with poles, and even pouring boiling water over
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: their skin because unlike Fred's family who were extremely filthy,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Rose's dad was extremely OCD and wanted to keep everything
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: clean at all times. So he made them do chores
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: that they didn't do it right. They got beat to
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: an inch of their life or they were cleaned constantly
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: with boiling water that would leave welts on their skin,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: et cetera. But he would not treat Rose the same way.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: In fact, Rose would play dumb a lot and whine
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: and say that she doesn't want to do her chores
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: and she would end up getting her siblings to somehow
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: do her chores. And Will was actually very amused by that.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: But it's not all sunshine and rainbows. It wasn't necessarily
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: a good thing that he favored Rose, because despite not
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: getting physically beat by her father, she was allegedly a
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: victim of S.A. from her father, which is terrible, and
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: I hope he is rotting in hell. But it does
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: not remotely excuse what she did later on in life. Now,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: as Rose grew up, she became somewhat of a mini-psychopath
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: that lied, bullied, and became violent towards boys and girls.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: And she would become.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: hypersexual as soon as she hit puberty, which is not
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: uncommon for people that experience SA as a child. And
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: she would even go as far as to commit SA
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: on her own younger brothers by the time she was just.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: 15 years old.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: So seeing some similarities here between Rose and Fred's upbringing,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: between the brain injuries, essay victim history, and essay perpetual
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: history of them committing it against other people, you can
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: kind of see how they were a match made in hell.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: So by the time Rose was 15, she was doing regular,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: sejual work. at a local bus stop. And this is
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: when she would inevitably meet Fred, of whom was about
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: 27 years old at this time, and she was only 15.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: So he's got a pattern here. And us knowing Fred now,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: he almost certainly sought her out as a victim of
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: SA and most likely murder. But they would start talking
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: and immediately hit it off because they found so many
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: things in common with Whether it be that their mothers
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: had the same name, or that they had similar family history.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Rose worked at a bakery and Fred had an ice
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: cream truck, so that's sweet.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: And you know, that they're both pieces of shit, so
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: they would hit it off.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: But what Fred would like most about Rose is that
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: she was just as, if not even more so, sigil
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: than Fred. When Fred would bring up very crude and
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: vulgar topics, Rose wouldn't flinch at all. In fact, even
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: add on to it. So he saw the potential immediately.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: So Fred and Rose would hit it off and Rose
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: would bring the 12 year older Fred back home to
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: meet her parents. And her parents naturally hated Fred because
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: But Rose would try to sell him off as that
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: he was very rich and he was very successful. But
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: the only thing he was rich and full of was shit.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: So after meeting Fred, Bill and Daisy would put their
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: daughter Rose into a home for troubled teenagers because parenting
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: in the house is too hard apparently. And they would
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: just forget her there. Classic middle child trope. So Rose
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: would spend months in the home until she turned 16
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: and 16 year olds at that point were considered adults
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: and they wouldn't be able to be in a troubled
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: teenager home anymore. But who was ready to come swoop
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: her up off her feet? The 12-year-old Fred. And shortly
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: after picking her up, he would get Rose pregnant. And
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: they would move into a building in Gloucester at 25
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Middlin Road. There, Fred and Rose would live with Fred's child, Anne-Marie,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: and Rena's child, Charmaine. So on October 1970, Rose gave
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: birth to her first of eight children. Like goddamn, by eight,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: they're probably walking out with a top hat twirling a cane.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: But her firstborn, was named Heather Ann.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: And when she was born, Fred would be back in
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: jail for about three months because he had gone in
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: and out of jail for very long. minor charges, but
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: this would be at this point the longest stint he
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: had been in jail and it was for stealing five
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: car tires from his place of work. So Rose being
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: 17 years old and taking care of three children, two
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: of which were not her own, and being a child herself,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: shit started to hit the fan fast at home. Rose
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: would be seen by a child neighbor beating Charmaine with
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: a wooden spoon as she tied Charmaine's hands up by
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: a belt and hunger from the roof while she stood
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: barely on a chair. And at other times, the children
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: would show up to emergency rooms with literal stab wounds,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: but Rose would just explain them away somehow. Fred, on
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: the other hand, was having a gay old time in jail,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: just writing dirty letters back and forth with Rose on
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: the daily. So while Rose was beating her kids and
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Fred was getting off in jail, Rose took it upon
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: herself to commit her first murder, and that murder was.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Committed against her.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: And this is what's interesting about this couple specifically. When
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: you see other serial killer couples, usually the man is
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: the dominant one that usually convinces the partner, their female
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: partner to commit the crimes. But this couple on their
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: own were murderers. So, and in fact, Rose was the
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: instigator in a lot of situations. So they both had
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: committed crimes unprovoked by the other. And this is just
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: another thing that they would see in common with each
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: other and love each other more for. So one day,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Rose took her children, Charmaine and Anne-Marie, to see Fred
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: in prison for a visit. And after their visit, we
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: don't know why, but Rose would beat and stab Charmaine
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: to death. And she would put her corpse in the
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: building cellar. Ed wouldn't tell Fred until he was released
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: from jail a few weeks later. And Fred, being the
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: piece of shit he is, was completely unfazed at all
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: that Rose had killed his daughter.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: In fact, he would.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: go on to gush about some of the murders that
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: he had committed in the past.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: This was essentially just a f * * * ed.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Up bonding moment between two psychopaths at this time. So
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: after Fred found out where Rose put Charmaine's body, he
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: would cut off her fingers, toes, knees, caps, ankles, and
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: wrist as he did with the other victims, and he
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: would move it into the yard and bury it near
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: the back door. We with the idea in mind of
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: extending the house out later and layering the body with
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: a concrete foundation, which is something that he did do
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: shortly after. Now, not long after Fred had buried and
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: covered up Rose's murder, Rose would leave Fred temporarily. And
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: good old Rena, Fred's first wife, would come back into
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: the picture trying to gain custody of her two children,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Charmaine and Anne-Marie. But... Naturally, one was missing and that
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: was Charmaine. So naturally, Rena was flipping out asking where
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: her daughter was and Fred played it off saying, okay,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: you know, come in my car. I'll take you to
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: where she is right now. So Rena hopped in her
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: car and Fred immediately would kill her by shoving a
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: length of chromium tubing down her throat. And that was
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: just a horrendous way to go. After reading that, I
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: had to like take five minutes just to process that.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: This man is sick, like just a sick psychopath and
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: I hope he's burning in hell and I just Anyway,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: so after he murdered her, he would dismember the body
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: and keep his usual body parts as trophies and would
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: bury her at Fingerpost Field, near the grave of Anne McFall,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: his previous victim. And neither Charmaine's nor Rena's disappearances would
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: be noticed, given both their track records. And it would
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: go unnoticed for another 13 years. So after these events,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Rose would return and she would turn 18. allowing her
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: to legally marry Fred.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: And that is.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: When they would move into their infamous murder house of horrors,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: 25 Cromwell Street. And this would be the house that
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Rose and Fred would build their torture and kill dungeon
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: that looked and became something straight out of a horror movie.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: So the house at 25 Cromwell Street was three stories,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: an attic and a cellar. And Fred and Rose would
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: move in with their two surviving children, Anne and Heather.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: And right out the gate, Fred and Rose plan to
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: expand and renovate the cellar to be their personal play place.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: But the crazy thing about the Cromwell house was that
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: they weren't the only ones that lived there.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: There were other tenants that lived there as well.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: The Wests live on the first floor and they had
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: the cellar and there would be tenants that took up
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: the second and the third floors. So the Wests moved
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: in and quickly Rose began to do sejual work again
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: in the cellar at Fred's request, because this was a
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: win-win for.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Both of them.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Rose was a sick psychotic sociopathic nymphomaniac and Fred was
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: a giant and liked to watch Rose have relations with
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: other people among many other things of which we'll talk about.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: So they would dub the cellar room as mom and
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: dad's room and there would be a plaque on the
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: wall with Rose's name on it which sounds sweet, doesn't it?
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: But no.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: It was just to cover up the hole that Fred
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: would look through to watch Rose commit unspeakable acts to
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: other men and women. But Rose was well aware of this,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: it just was the strangers having relations with her that weren't.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Fred and Rose would also partake in threesomes pretty often,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: because Rose claimed that she was bisexual, so they would
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: often pick up these women in gloucester and bring them
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: back to the cromwell house most of these women being
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: runaways and drifters and this was their pattern that they
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: did they would go out in a car and it
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: was easy for rose to lure women into the car
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: because fred had trouble doing that on his own but
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: when you have a female companion it just seems less
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: threatening and we see this time and time again with
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: couples or even with previous serial killers that i've talked
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: about where it's a man and they get a child
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: to help them lure etc. So they would use this tactic,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: and it would work very well. But at this point,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: they're not killing anybody together. They were only using the
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: dungeon as a sigil room. But they would evolve and
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: test it out as a torture room soon after, and
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: they would do that using their own daughter. So they
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: would bring in Anne Marie, and they would bring her
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: down to the cellar, and Rose would hold her down,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: and Fred did... the unspeakable to his own daughter. And
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: then Fred would proceed to remove her hymen and collect
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: it into a bowl for reasons unknown. Probably just because
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: he was a sick And I hope he dies in
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: hell and rots there forever. But most people and professionals
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: assume that Fred was actually a cannibal, given all the
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: body parts that he kept and that were never found.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: But that was never actually proven. So that's just speculation.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: But I think it's pretty fair and safe to say.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: But the torture with Anne would not stop there. Shortly
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: after the first incident, Fred would make a U-shaped metal
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: bar with two handles on it at his place of
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: work and bring it down again. to the cellar at
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: 25 Cromwell and hook it up. And shortly after that
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: would bring Anne down and tie her to this device
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: and Rose and Fred would take turns torturing her for
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: an entire day. And to add salt to the wound literally,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Rose would draw her a bath at the end of
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: the day and she would pour hordes of salt in
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: it so that Anne's open wounds would burn when she.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Got into the bath.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: And all the crimes and horrendous acts we are going
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: to talk about can't be covered completely. I can't go
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: through all the details. This video would literally be 24
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: hours long. If I got into all the minute details
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: that took place in that cellar, the amount of torture
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: and abuse that went on in.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: That house is exponential. It's insane.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: So I'm going to try to you know, glaze over everything,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: just give you all the knowledge, but not go into
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: every single detail because I honestly don't want to. So
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: shortly after these incidents, Rose would give birth to her
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: second child. And let me tell you, you're going to
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: lose track of how many kids pop out of this bitch.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: All right, there's a lot.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: But let's talk about the tenants that lived on 25 Cromwell.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: So for the most part, they were all young men,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: at least at the start. And for the most part,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: those young men.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Were railing Rose.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: So it was quite literally a tacky corn video around
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: every corner of this house. And the kids would just
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: be walking around. They'd either be in the room or
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: in a different room when this was taking place.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Rose would even walk.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Around scantily clad to seduce the tenants on a regular basis.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: This house was.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: Essentially a brothel at this point, with Rose being the
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: only person that worked there. So since there was so
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: much tomfoolery going on in this household, the Wests had
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: to hire another nanny, a 17-year-old named Caroline Owens, working for.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: Three pounds a week.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Three pounds?
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's a lot. I know it's a
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: different time, but that doesn't seem like enough.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: And Caroline hated Fred especially because, you know, he's a
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: creepy piece of shit. So naturally, after only a few
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: weeks of working for Fred and Rose, Caroline decided to
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: get the hell out of Dodge. But Rose was mad
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: because she hadn't gotten to have relations with her yet. Oh.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: And knowing that Caroline wouldn't want to be any part
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: of that, Rose conducted a plan with Fred to kidnap
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: her and grape her Knowing full well the endeavor would
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: almost certainly end in murder. So on December 6, 1972,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Fred and Rose followed and confronted Caroline in their car,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: and they would convince her to get in, and Rose
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: would try to make advances towards Caroline, but she would refuse,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: and after she refused, Fred would begin to beat her unconscious,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: and by the time Caroline woke up, she was being
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: bound by her wrist and ankles and also getting brown
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: packing tape wrapped around her head. And she could hear
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Rose laughing maniacally in the background. And you will find
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: that this is a pattern as well. Rose took extreme
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: pleasure in Fred doing these things to the girls and
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: in Rose doing it to them herself. She was literally
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: a sociopath. So Fred and Rose would take her back
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: to 25 Cromwell and take her down to the cellar
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: where she was bound and gagged for two days. After
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: which Fred would come down and come to her crying
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: and asking Caroline if she'd.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Still wanna be their nanny.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: And Caroline, obviously seeing a way out said yes and
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: agreed to be their nanny. But only a couple weeks
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: later when she found an out while they were walking
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: to a local laundromat with the kids, She would sprint
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: to her mom's house and tell her everything that happened.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: So after this, Caroline's parents would go to Rose and
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: confront her about everything that Caroline told them. And Rose
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: would just say, Don't be f * * * ing daft.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: Who do you think I am?
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: That's how she talked. Terrible. But police would search their
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: car and find tape and.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: And that was enough to arrest and detain them temporarily.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: So Rose and Fred would admit to just a little
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: physical assault. And when it came time for Caroline to
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: tell her side of the story to police and get
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: it on record, she got nervous and scared and didn't
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: want to relive the events. So she backed out, leaving
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Fred and Rose with minimal assault charges. With the police
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: report saying about Fred, he's.
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: A docile sort who did not look like he could
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: commit violence. What?
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: You don't think this can commit violence?
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: So at this point, Rose was pregnant with her third
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: child and Fred had minimal past theft charges. So the
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: police agreed to let them off with a 25 pound
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: fine and.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: They'd just be set free. Judicial system, you know?
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: And this whole ordeal would just teach Fred and Rose
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: that they could not leave any witnesses behind. So this
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: is when they would start their killing spree. So it
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: would be nine years until they would be in any
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: sort of other police investigation looking into Rose and Fred
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: West and nine women would end up dead and buried
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: at 25 Cromwell Street as a result. But the true
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: number of victims is thought to be upwards of 30.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: But at this.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Time it was essentially if there's no bodies, you can't
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: be charged for it. So Linda Gough would be their
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: first victim they killed together, from what we know. A
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: 20 year old that agreed to babysit their kids for them.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: But on April.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: 19th, 1973, Linda would disappear. The only thing being left
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: behind was a note for her mother, saying that she
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: got a flat on the way home and that she'd
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: be back sometime in the future. This note obviously being
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: written by Rose, which she did multiple times with multiple
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: victims to keep them at bay so they wouldn't make
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: a report of their children missing. in reality, Linda was
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: taken down to the cellar of 25 Cromwell, having her
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: entire head wrapped tightly in packing tape and being given
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: only a tiny tube to breathe through.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: That would be my worst goddamn nightmare. These people are
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: just sick.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Now, we don't know exactly how Linda died, whether it
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: was during the sejual torture or just being killed on
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: purpose at the end of them torturing her, but she
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: would die and Fred would dismember and take his trophies away.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: As he always did. And then they would bury her
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: beneath the.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Garage at 25 Cromwell in what he called the inspection pit,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: where they could hide the pit with a car over
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: top of it. A few weeks later, Linda's mother would
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: come to the West asking where her daughter was and
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Rose being the sadistic, that she was have the audacity
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: to answer the door wearing some of Linda's clothing that
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: she was last seen in and also having some of
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: Linda's clothing hanging up on the drying wire outside 25 Cromwell.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: But Rose would convince Linda's mother that she was beating
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: Rose's kids so she kicked her out of the house.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: Linda's mother didn't ask any more questions and just left
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: and never reported her missing. Meanwhile, Fred would continue to
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: renovate and expand his torture room in the cellar, putting
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: hooks in the ceiling to be able to dangle girls
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: from and other various homemade torture devices being put in place.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Fred's son, Steven, would also later say that his father
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: didn't only use the cellar to dismember bodies, they actually
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: had a farm not too far out of the town
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: that they lived in that he would take them to
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: to dismember them. So Fred has a new and improved
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: torture chamber and Rose is hungry for more victims at
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: this point. So they set out to find them. Carol
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Ann Cooper and Lucy Parrington would be the next victims.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Being held in the cellar, for seven whole days while
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: being tortured and eventually murdered and dismembered as well, like
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: the other victims. And this is when Fred and Rose
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: began to get into the groove and started to develop
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: plans and patterns in their crimes. They found that it
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: was easy to lure people in for sexual acts, but
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: at the time they were mostly only doing that with
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: men and not murdering them.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: But they didn't really want to deal with.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: A threat like that, like a giant man, so they
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: exclusively switched to only picking up girls. So as we know,
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: some of the victims were familiar faces and some of
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: them were complete strangers, often runaways and drifters. And one
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: of those drifters was Therese Siegenteller.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: Siegenteller?
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: She was Swedish, so I'm sorry if I'm saying that wrong.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: But Therese was picked up while hitchhiking from London to
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: Wales by Fred and Rose. And they would do what
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: they always do and take her back to 25 Cromwell
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: and put.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Her down in the cellar.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: They would continue to torture and kill and dismember and
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: bury her body beneath the garage as well.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: And the West would.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Just continue to escalate through each murder. Seven months after
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Teresa's death, they would pick up Shirley Hubbard at a
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: bus stop and would take her back home into the.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Cellar as well.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: They would tape her entire head with that brown packing
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: tape as they did with previous victims and would shove
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: that small tubing three inches inside her nasal cavity giving
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: her just barely enough air to breathe. And after she
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: inevitably died of asphyxiation, Fred would cut her head off
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: with the tape mask still on and would bury her
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: body in the part of the cellar that had a
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: shrine above it dedicated to Marilyn Monroe. Now, although Fred
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: and Rose often took their victims from the streets, they
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: would also take advantage of the tenants in their own home.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Juanita Mott had been living at 25 Cromwell Street for
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: almost two years at this point. which is crazy to
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: think about, just knowing that all those people that have
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: died just below her. But this was most likely because
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: the rates at the West's house were so cheap. I
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: wonder why. If it's too cheap to believe, you're probably
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: gonna get murdered. So on April 12th, 1974, Juanita would
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: go into the cellar and never come out alive again.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: She would be one of the first to be strung
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: up by the seven-foot noose he had placed in the
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: cellar and also be tied up in bondage knots, and
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: she would be killed by a blow to the back
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: of her head after hours and hours of... And then
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: later buried under the house with the rest of the victims.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: And Fred would talk about these murders so callously in
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: interviews after he got caught, saying that they asked for
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: it or that the murders were never really planned and
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: it was just something that happened.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: He was just full of shit from start to finish.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: During all these murders, you're probably wondering why no one
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: reported anybody missing. That was because most of them were runaways.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: And at this time, nobody really reported those just because
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: they just assumed that they lived somewhere else. If they
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: were reported, Rose and Fred were easily and strategically able
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: to talk their way out of it. So another victim
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: of Fred and Rose was a 50-year-old 15-year-old runaway that
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: they snagged from a children's home, Jordan's Brook House. And
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: she was only known as Miss A. And they would
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: take her back to 25 Cromwell Street to live with
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: them in the summer of 1976. And she would live
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: with them for a very short period of time, but
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: she would be made to have a horrific orgy consisting
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: of the entire family, children included. Rose would force her
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: children to suck on Miss A's hair as Fred... and
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: Rose committed unspeakable acts to her. All while Rose was
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: laughing maniacally as she always did during these events.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: And later on, her children would.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: Say how they actually had some fond memories with Fred
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: as a father, albeit mostly horrible, but they did not
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: recall one good memory of Rose as a mother. They
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: said that she was always the one to carry out
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: the abuse and the violence in the home for.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: The most part.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Now, Miss A was lucky enough to be allowed to leave,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: but she would later return with a full tank of
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: gas in hand and a lighter ready to light up
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: 25 Cromwells. But she got too nervous to do it
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: and she went back home. But she would later testify
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: against Rose in the trials later in the future. So
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: the Wests are still under no suspicion and they are
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: regularly getting new tenants in the house. One of which
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: was Shirley Ann Robinson. Now Shirley would be a lot
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: different from the others. She actually had a relationship with
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: Fred and Rose. They were kind of like a throuple,
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: if you will. So at the start, this was a
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: very consensual relationship. Rose and Shirley would even get pregnant
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: at the same time together and be excited to raise
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: the children together at some point. But this throuple situation
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: would eventually fizzle out for reasons unknown, but most likely
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: because Rose grew jealous and this was a pattern that
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: happened as well and that we'll see in the future
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: as well. So Rose gave birth to her child and
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: shortly after decided that Shirley could no longer be around.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: So Rose herself would strangle Shirley in eight-month pregnant woman,
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: and dispose of her like trash, just like the other girls.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: So after this murder in particular, Rose and Fred would
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: take a break and just focus on the sejual work.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: That Rose would do.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: And also having a couple more kids in the meantime,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: because you know, six or eight or however many they
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: have right now wasn't enough. Please stop procreating you monsters.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: I still stand behind my statement that I think there
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: should be a psych eval test for any people wanting
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: to have children. But this downtime period wouldn't last because
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: a trigger event would happen And that was the death
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: of Rose's father, Bill Letts. He would die of mesothelioma.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know what that is, but here's the description.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: This would inevitably release the Kraken within Rose. And she'd
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: demand to go out hunting with Fred again for another victim.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: And unfortunately, that next victim would be Allison Chambers. She
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: was another girl that came from Jordan's Brook House. This
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: would be a house that they would often... go to
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: and prey on their victims just because they're helpless kids
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: that don't have parents, basically. So they were They didn't
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: have anywhere else to go. And they would hire Allison
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: as a nanny for their children, just like they did
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: with previous victims as well. But she would unfortunately meet
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: the same fate as the other girls, being tortured, beat,
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: and murdered, and buried in their garden. The only difference
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: with her disappearance is that it was actually reported. She
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: had written a letter to Jacob's house saying that she
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: got a job, but she would not specify where she
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: got the job, so... The trail ran cold, unfortunately, because
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: she didn't mention that the job was at the West's house.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: If she did, they may have gotten caught, but we'll
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: never know. So by 1980, there was six kids living
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: at 25 Cromwell. And after years and years of abuse
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: by the hand of her own parents, Anne Marie escaped
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: and left her family behind. But when she did that,
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: Heather became the eldest in the house and inherently became
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: the sole focus of her parents' abuse, replacing her sister Anne.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: After a while of being away though, Anne was forced
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: to move back in with her parents at 25 Cromwell,
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: but insisted that her boyfriend be with her at all times.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: so she wouldn't be exposed to her parents alone anymore.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: But this would leave Heather very vulnerable as well. And
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: during this period, Rose would give birth to two more children, somehow,
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: most likely being sensual work babies and not Fred's children,
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: which he didn't even really care about at this point.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: But Fred would.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: Say that he would only hurt and abuse his children
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: by blood, because he said it was his... Heather getting
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: most of the treatment at this time, though. And during
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: this time, too, and we're now in the 80s, it
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: is assumed that Fred and Rose were killing many more girls.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: But since they didn't have proof and were never charged
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: for it, we don't actually know. But given their lifestyle
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: patterns and consistency... of their past murders, it's basically a
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: guarantee that they were continuing to murder and dispose of
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: girls at the time. So naturally at this point, Heather West,
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Fred and Rose's daughter, was tired of being tortured day
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: in and day out.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: And I mean, they tortured her.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: There was like, I don't even know how many pages
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: in about how she got afflicted.
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: With this torture. It is absolutely horrendous.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: But being tortured, extremely tired of it, she decided she
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: needed to plan an escape from 25 Cromwell. And she
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: would beg her older sister Anne to help, but Anne
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: knew it was kind of a pointless venture given how
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: her situation turned out with running away.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: So she didn't help Heather in doing that.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: So one day Heather decided that today was the day
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: and she got up to leave the house, but wouldn't
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: make it out of the house. Rose and Fred would
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: say that they thought Heather might be a graping her
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: out of it and eventually strangling her to death. And
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: they would say this in later interviews after they were
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: arrested for all of the murders. It is thought though
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: that Rose was the one to murder and dismember her
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: because of how sloppy it was handled compared to Fred's
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: victims' remains from previous murders. And this was also thought
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: because Rose was most likely jealous of Heather getting all
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: of Fred's attention at the time as well, just like
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: a few other murders that happened. So after Heather was murdered,
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: she was stowed away under the steps of their back
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: porch as they figured out how to get rid of
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: her body at the time. Because at this point, they
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: literally just ran out of room to bury bodies in
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: and outside of their house. And this alludes to the
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: idea that they murdered more girls, they were just burying
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: them somewhere else because they had nowhere else to put
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: them on the property. So the rest of the children
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: would come home from school that day and obviously Heather
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: had disappeared so they were asking questions and the way
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: they covered it up was saying that Heather got a
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: job at a summer camp and wouldn't be back until
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: the fall. So Fred would ask Stephen West, his son,
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: to help him dig a hole in the backyard. not
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: knowing that he was digging his own sister's grave.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: And after the.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: Hole was dug, Fred would dump her body in the
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: hole and later build a patio over top of the grave,
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: sealing her body beneath. Shortly after Heather's murder, though, Fred
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: decided that he would put all of his remaining children
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: in the cellar permanently, locking them behind an iron gate
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: and never letting them out.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: And you would see.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: The childlike graffiti on the walls and the odd drawings
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: that the kids would do to just pass the time
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: being locked away in a cellar.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: It's just so incredibly sad to see. and to hear.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: So Fred and Rose decided to make the first floor
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: into a full-on brothel at this point while their children
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: were being kept away in the cellar at all times.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: And this would be the case for the next five years. Now,
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: during these years, it's not officially known if Fred and
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: Rose actually murdered any more girls, but it was known
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: that they regularly abused and graped many. And one of
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: these girls in 1992 would tell her friends about what
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: was happening to her with Fred and Rose, and it
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: would eventually reach the police. And Detective Hazel Savage would
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: be put on the case.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: What a badass name.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: Now, Detective Savage didn't only have an insanely badass name,
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: she was also just a badass, being one of the
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: first female detectives in England, and she was literally known
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: as a super cop amongst all other cops and civilians.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: This woman is my goddamn hero.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: Now, Detective Savage had already actually had a run-in with
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: Fred 30 years earlier. When Irina was arrested for petty theft,
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: Irina had told Detective Savage about Fred and his violent.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: up tendencies.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: And Detective Savage would remember this case 30 years later
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: when his name came up again. This woman had the
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: memory of a goddamn elephant. So sure enough, Savage looked
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: into Fred's past offenses and she would find assault charges
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: from back in 1973, warranting her the ability to start
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: a case on the Wests. And before long, Fred and
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: Rose West were arrested based on that one charge assault
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: for the time being. But Detective Savage knew that there
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: was probably far more going on behind closed doors. So
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: the interviews and searches began. Savage would uncover the abuse
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: of Anne Marie, as well as the disappearances of Charmaine
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: and Heather, warranting further investigation. Rumors also arose about what
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: might be buried under the patio, which we know was Heather.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: The younger West children were taken into care and Rose
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: tried to take the easy way out at the time
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: and attempted suicide, but was unsuccessful because her son, Stephen,
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: found her and revived her. The case against the West
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: collapsed when two key witnesses, though, decided not to testify
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: against them. Savage would continue to pursue her or Heather,
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: questioning the West's children repeatedly. But they had been extremely
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: well trained by their parents and failed to cooperate because
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: they had been being brainwashed their entire lives. Five years
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: of their lives they were locked away in a cellar,
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: for God's sake. But in February 1994, a warrant was
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: obtained to search the Cromwell property and the garden. Police
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: would find the remains of two dismembered and decapitated women,
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: one of which they assumed was Shirley Robinson. Red West
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: would claim sole responsibility for these murders, and when Rose
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: heard of the confession, she denied all knowledge of Heather's death,
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: which we know is complete buchlaka. Then inexplicably, Fred admitted
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: the presence of the body in the cellar to the police.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: This guy, he loved to talk in these interviews. He
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: would just like, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk. There is
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: plenty of tapes of him speaking, which I will probably input.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: I said, you bitch, because I'd already, whenever she said that,
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: I realized that I thought.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: Maybe she'd killed her and had her clothes on. She's
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: wearing the girl's shoes and she killed her, for fuck's sake.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: And in the cellar, they would discover the remains of
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: nine individuals. Establishing the identities of each victim was a
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: huge task, to say the least. And continuing to cooperate,
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: Fred revealed the location of the remains of his first wife, Rena, lover,
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: Anna McFall, and daughter, Charmaine, who were all buried away from.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: The Cromwell Street house.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: And as the case against them would develop, Rose tried
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: increasingly to distance herself from Fred, claiming she was also
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: a victim. But police were not convinced, thankfully, given the
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: sheer number of murders which had occurred and her participation
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: in the grapes. So on December 13th, 1994, Fred West
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: was charged with 12 counts of murder and taken into
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: custody at Winson Green Prison in Birmingham, where on January 1st, 1995,
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: he unfortunately took the easy way out, or not fortunately,
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: I don't really know, and he hung himself in his
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: cell via bedsheets. And this was predicated on the fact
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: that Rose had distanced herself so much from him. not
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: responding to his letters from jail, of which he said things.
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: Like, as in life, as in earth, our love will
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: never die. Rose and I will live together in heaven.
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: I will wait for you, darling, so please come to me. Gross.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: Who's going to tell him he's going to hell? And
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: don't worry about it, she's got a VIP pass down there,
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: so she'll meet you there. But anyway, he felt rejected
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: enough to take his own life, basically. His devotion to
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: his wife, Rose, was most apparent in the paperwork found
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: in the prison cell following his sluerslide. He had even
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: drawn a gravestone for himself and his wife, Rose, along
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: with the words saying, in loving memory, Fred West, Road West,
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: rest in peace where no shadow falls. In perfect peace,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: he waits for Rose, his wife. And rather than Rose
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: thinking that was a sweet gesture done by the love
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: of her life, she just saw it as a get-out-of-jail-free card,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: trying to use his death as a means of making
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: him more guilty than her.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: But luckily, it didn't work.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: Rose West went to trial on October 3rd, 1995, and witnesses,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: including her stepdaughter, Anne Marie, testified to her participation in
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: the sigil assaults on young women. Her defense counsel tried
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: to argue that evidence of assault was not evidence of
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: a murder, but when Rose testified on her own behalf,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: her violent nature and dishonesty became clear to the jury,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: and they saw right through her lies. And they unanimously
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: and thankfully found her guilty on 10 separate counts, of
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: murder on November.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: 22nd, 1995.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: She received a life sentence having to serve a minimum
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: of 25 years in jail. Rose West's sentence was later
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: extended to a whole life order sentence by the home secretary,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: effectively removing any possibility of parole, thankfully.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: And Rose West refused to accept her.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: Fate and launched an appeal in 1996 and in 2000,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: claiming variously that new evidence clearing her had come to
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: light and then that huge media interest had prevented her
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: from receiving a fair trial at the time. The 1996
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: appeal was rejected and she dropped the later one. So
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: she remains incarcerated to this day. and the West's home
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: on 25 Cromwell Street, or the House of Horrors, as
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: in dubbed by the media, was torn down to the
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: ground October 1996. In its place now is a pathway
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: that leads to the town center. now. So holy shit,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: that was a really long one. I appreciate if you
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: stuck to the stuck here, stick around.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: I can't even speak now.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: I appreciate if you stuck around to the end. I had,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: you know, a time and a half researching this. But
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: like I always say, I enjoy doing these videos. So
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: if you have any suggestions, let me know down below
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: for the next true crime episode. But in the meantime,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: I hope you have a wonderful night, wonderful day, wonderful afternoon,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: wherever you are, and I will see you a beautiful
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: face in the next video.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: All right.