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Ari Temkin reacts to the Seahawks winning Super Bowl LX, No. 1 Arizona at No. 11 Kansas tonight in the Big 12 + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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Speaker 1: You tune a Sean O'Connell show from the Umburdoc Chevrolet
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Speaker 1: Studio of ESPN seven and one half m We welcome
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Speaker 1: Ari Tempkin to the show on a Super Bowl Monday
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Speaker 1: host Super Bowl Monday Baked twelve today on tune in Radio.
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Speaker 1: Friend of the program. All Right, Tempkin, welcome, how are you?
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Speaker 2: I'm great, brother, How are you doing?
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Speaker 3: Okay? How was your Super Bowl Sunday? Give me a
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Speaker 3: breakdown of how it went?
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Speaker 2: Pretty good? You know. So I'm I'm getting opportunity now
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Speaker 2: to do some hosting on the Westwood one Sports Network,
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Speaker 2: which is a you know, partnership between Cumulus and Odyssey,
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Speaker 2: And so I was on Saturday Night, which was great,
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Speaker 2: and I mean I was really really laying into the
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Speaker 2: I think the Seahawks win big narrative, and like, you know,
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Speaker 2: normally i'd fade the public. Seventy percent of public money
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Speaker 2: came out on the Seahawks minus the points, so that
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Speaker 2: tells you go, you know, go to New England, you know, close,
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Speaker 2: go New England plus the points. But it just felt
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Speaker 2: like the NFC this year was far ahead of the AFC.
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Speaker 2: Like I could probably give you two, three, four five
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Speaker 2: teams in the NFC that I think would have beaten
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Speaker 2: the Patriots. And you know, they even looked worse than
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Speaker 2: I even expected them to look. Drake May looks really bad.
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Speaker 2: And look, a lot of that does have to do
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Speaker 2: with Seattle's defense. Seattle's defense just is that good. And
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Speaker 2: I don't know, it feels like in some ways there's
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Speaker 2: a takeaway here similar to college football in that like, no,
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Speaker 2: I know, Mendez the Heisman Trophy, learned he was really good,
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Speaker 2: So maybe it's not an apple's tapples, but like just
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Speaker 2: one through fifty three, Seahawks were really freaking good. They
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Speaker 2: had no holes. And you know, you don't have to
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Speaker 2: have this elite quarterback. You don't have to have you know,
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Speaker 2: I mean even in this case Jackson Smith and Jig,
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Speaker 2: but who is an elite receiver like he was basically
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Speaker 2: a note didn't even matter. He was a non factor
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Speaker 2: in the game. And it didn't even matter because their
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Speaker 2: defense was so dominant. And it wasn't just one individual
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Speaker 2: performance on defense, it was a collective performance, you know,
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Speaker 2: whether it's to Marcus Lawrence or you know, in Jandy Reee.
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Speaker 2: So I just think, you know, it was I expected
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Speaker 2: to blow out we got to blow out. I didn't
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Speaker 2: expect New England to look that bad, but yeah, Drake
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Speaker 2: May was that bad.
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Speaker 1: Is this you know, we talk about it in college
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Speaker 1: football what Indiana did, like, oh, if if Indiana can
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Speaker 1: do it, why can't we do it?
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Speaker 3: In the NFL? You know, the Seahawks have won.
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Speaker 1: They haven't won I guess all that recently, but they
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Speaker 1: have one and they've been a respectable franchise for a
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Speaker 1: long time, and so they don't have that same kind
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Speaker 1: of wolf.
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Speaker 3: They can do it. Anyone can.
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Speaker 1: But I think the points you just made are well made.
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Speaker 1: That they didn't win because they had the best player
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Speaker 1: on the field, the best individual player on the field
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Speaker 1: in any given scenario or any given position. Necessarily, it
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Speaker 1: was not a star driven performance in the NFL very much.
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Speaker 3: Is the NBA is even more so?
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Speaker 2: So?
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Speaker 1: Is there anything informative for gms and coaches and other
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Speaker 1: franchises in how they got this done that might be
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Speaker 1: copycatd Well?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's sort of funny because you know there
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Speaker 2: was a point in time OC where offensive football was
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Speaker 2: ahead of defensive football, and you know that the elite
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Speaker 2: offenses were going to be beating the elite defenses. But
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Speaker 2: somewhere along the way within this last decade, defenses have
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Speaker 2: caught up. And so while we still see programs at
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Speaker 2: the collegiate level and at the NFL level that are
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Speaker 2: still searching for like the most brilliant offensive minds, when
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Speaker 2: it comes to hiring a coach, here's Mike McDonald like, Hello,
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Speaker 2: did you not see what I just did? Because I
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Speaker 2: put together an elite defense without any like again elite, Like,
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Speaker 2: there's elite players, don't get me wrong, there's a bunch
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Speaker 2: of elite players, but there's nobody. There's no like Aaron Donald.
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Speaker 2: There's just no individual player where you're like, that's an
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Speaker 2: all time great player. And so I think you know,
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Speaker 2: a lot of times the trends, like you know, people,
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Speaker 2: the reason they're they go one direction is it because
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Speaker 2: it's like, right now, it's a market in efficiency. Like
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Speaker 2: going for offensive minded coaches right now is a market efficiency.
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Speaker 2: Going for a defensive minded coach is more of a
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Speaker 2: market inefficiency. So in bringing it full circle here, you know,
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Speaker 2: Michigan did something and you rarely see, which is they're
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Speaker 2: hiring a new coach. They go and hire a defensive
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Speaker 2: minded coach with Kyle Whittingham, and of course we already
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Speaker 2: knew that Utah was hiring a defensive minded coach because
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Speaker 2: they had their defensive coordinator as the head coach and waiting. So,
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Speaker 2: you know, I think that we definitely hit a stretch
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Speaker 2: probably within the last decade where offenses were better than defenses,
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Speaker 2: and elite offense we're going to beat elite defense, and
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Speaker 2: I think it's gone the other now. I think it's
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Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty degrees. I think that's a good
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Speaker 2: example of how elite defenses have caught up, you know,
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Speaker 2: and whether it was the three three five with John
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Speaker 2: Haycock and Iowa State, the rush three drop eight, or
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Speaker 2: just a combination of getting more versatile players. You know.
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Speaker 2: Imin Ware for Seattle is a good example of that
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Speaker 2: as a rookie, probably should have been Rookie of the Year.
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Speaker 2: But he's kind of you non traditional safety who plays
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Speaker 2: you know, he's not a box safety, he's not a
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Speaker 2: coverage safety. He's more of a you know, hybrid linebacker
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Speaker 2: you know, can also play and coverage. So I think,
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Speaker 2: you know, it shows that right now defenses are more multiple,
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Speaker 2: they've got more versatile players. It confuses what offenses are doing,
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Speaker 2: and there's a reason why. Right now we're seeing an
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Speaker 2: elite defense be at the top of the food chain
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Speaker 2: in the National Football League.
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Speaker 1: All right, Tim Kidd is our guest here on the
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Speaker 1: Sean O'Connell Show, talking all things in sports. Coming off
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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl obviously now means we turn the page.
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Speaker 1: With college football being done, NFL football being done, We
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Speaker 1: turned the page, I guess to draft preparation in that world.
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Speaker 1: But college basketball gets this brief, you know, six eight
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Speaker 1: ten week period where they they're kind of the best
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Speaker 1: show in town until NHL and NBA playoffs start, and
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Speaker 1: college basketball in the Big twelve has been very fascinating
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Speaker 1: this year. We got a big matchup tonight Arizona Kansas
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Speaker 1: one versus nine.
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Speaker 3: Let's start there as we get into some hoops.
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Speaker 1: Arizona has been at the top of the rankings basically
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Speaker 1: all year long, and they're undefeated. So obviously it's for
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Speaker 1: good reason that they're number one in the country. Does
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Speaker 1: Kansas have anything that can knock them off that pedestal?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. I mean, look, if Arizona doesn't
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Speaker 2: go down tonight, they're going to go down soon. I
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Speaker 2: just don't see a way in which Arizona hits this
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Speaker 2: stretch unscathed. And you know, this kind of worked out
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Speaker 2: perfectly for the Big Twelve. First of all, the Big
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Speaker 2: Mondays have just been phenomenal, and not just tonight but
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Speaker 2: last Monday night than a Monday night before that, and
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Speaker 2: then moving forward you see the matchups, it's like really
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Speaker 2: good for the Big Twelve, and just the timing of
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Speaker 2: it where you had such a clunker last night with
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Speaker 2: the game, and you know, do I think we're going
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Speaker 2: to see a Super Bowl time bodies? Of course not,
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Speaker 2: But you know when when random Joe sports fan turns
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Speaker 2: on the TV and sees it, like, oh, Arizona Kansas
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Speaker 2: are playing tonight. Those are two obviously household names of
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Speaker 2: the sport, Like, I think this will be a this
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Speaker 2: will do a really really big number tonight. There's some
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Speaker 2: crazy statistical historical contexts involved in this game, like so,
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Speaker 2: Kansas is zero to five all time at Alan Field
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Speaker 2: House against the ap number one overall team, but it
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Speaker 2: hasn't happened since two thousand and three, and the last
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Speaker 2: time it happened was Arizona in two thousand and three
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Speaker 2: came into Allen Field House and beat the Jayhawks as
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Speaker 2: the number one team of the nation. Now Kansas and
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Speaker 2: O three ended up getting them back in the Elite eight,
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Speaker 2: I believe, of the INSTABA tournament and a tournament in
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Speaker 2: which Kansas loses eventually two Syracuse. But that's interesting. I mean,
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Speaker 2: it's they're ow and five all time. Only once it's
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Speaker 2: happened since eight and that was in two thousand and
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Speaker 2: three and it was Arizona. Kansas under bill self is
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Speaker 2: thirty eight and oh all time at home on Big Monday,
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Speaker 2: so something's got to give there. And then you know, look,
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Speaker 2: Kansas under bill self in top ten matchups games featuring
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Speaker 2: two top ten teams when Kansas is the lower team
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Speaker 2: in that top ten matchup, Bill self is thirteen and
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Speaker 2: two all time at home in those games. So just
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Speaker 2: some really interesting mind boggling stats associated with it. Look,
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Speaker 2: Arizona and Kansas, I think do play similar styles. They're
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Speaker 2: both for top ten teams in the country, not high
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Speaker 2: volume three point shooting teams. They're both physical. I actually
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Speaker 2: thought I think Utah was probably the worst team in
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Speaker 2: the Big Twelve this year. They did a really good
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Speaker 2: job at Outfield House on Saturday in matching the physicality
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Speaker 2: of Kansas for about you know, three quarters of that
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Speaker 2: game up until the final stretch where Kansas really exerted itself.
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Speaker 2: But Kansas is a physical team. I think the rebounding
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Speaker 2: number in this game is crucial, Like whoever look at
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Speaker 2: the box scraftter the game, whoever leads in rebounding. If
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Speaker 2: there's an overwhelming you know, margin there, that team will
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Speaker 2: definitely win. And even if it's like two or three,
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Speaker 2: I think, like, look at the rebounding team, look at
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Speaker 2: the better rebound team, that's probably the team that's gonna win.
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Speaker 2: But if even you know, that's gonna come down to
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Speaker 2: who executes better on offense. And Arizona just has so
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Speaker 2: much depth. I think that's what people miss about them,
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Speaker 2: is like they've got two really good point guards and
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Speaker 2: Bradley who's experienced, in Burry's who's the true freshman, and
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Speaker 2: they play inside out. They they just make you work
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Speaker 2: every possession. So this is going to be a really
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Speaker 2: good heavyweight fight today at Allenfield House.
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Speaker 1: You mentioned at the very beginning of that, well, yeah,
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Speaker 1: if Arizona doesn't go down tonight, it's going to be
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Speaker 1: sometime soon. Is that just because something's got a break?
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Speaker 1: Are you starting to see the wheels shake and rattle
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Speaker 1: a bit on that Arizona squad.
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Speaker 2: No, it's more to do with who they're playing, you know.
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Speaker 2: This is when you look ahead to what they have. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: I mean it's a really tough stretch. This is the
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Speaker 2: toughest stretch, like when you look at what they've done
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Speaker 2: so far in conference to play and I think a
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Speaker 2: lot of this is by design to where the Big
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Speaker 2: Twelve really wanted to put the majority of its best
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Speaker 2: matchups sort of post Super Bowl in order to try
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Speaker 2: to garner as much of an audience as they possibly can. So,
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Speaker 2: I mean it's not just Arizona, Iowa State, Kansas. All
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Speaker 2: the top teams of the Big Twelve right now are
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Speaker 2: about to hit stretches where they're going to play really
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Speaker 2: good teams. You know, And like Kansas plays Arizona still
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Speaker 2: has to play Houston twice. They still have to play
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Speaker 2: another they have another really tough matchup. Off the top
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Speaker 2: of my head, I can't remember, but in terms of
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Speaker 2: like the top Arizona, Kansas, Iowa State, Texas Tech, BYU,
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Speaker 2: and Houston, all those teams are going to be playing
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Speaker 2: against each other a lot. And you know, it quite
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Speaker 2: frankly by us in the middle of it right now,
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Speaker 2: and they're they're feeling it.
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Speaker 1: I wanted to get to that here in a second
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Speaker 1: before we do. Are you as high on Darren Peterson
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Speaker 1: as everyone else?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, see, I mean it's been a weird experience,
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Speaker 2: you know, as both an analyst and as a ku
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Speaker 2: alum to watch this happen, because you know, I mean
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Speaker 2: they dressed this up under the guise of, you know,
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Speaker 2: as he's missing time and games and not playing maximum
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Speaker 2: number of minutes and sitting and forth, you know, at
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Speaker 2: the end of games, the second half of games, where
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Speaker 2: these games are in doubt. As you're watching this, you're like, man,
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Speaker 2: he's sandbagging, Like this is he's taken rest. This is
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Speaker 2: not you know, the cramping issue that they've talked about
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Speaker 2: all year, or you know it was this quad or
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Speaker 2: it was a hamstring, like it was just this malady
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Speaker 2: of things over the course of the season. You're like, man,
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Speaker 2: still got paid three and a half million dollars to
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Speaker 2: come here and basically play as much as he wants,
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Speaker 2: which is not as much as he needs to play
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Speaker 2: for the team. And I mean he played thirty four
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Speaker 2: minutes on Saturday. He's become his His story of your
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Speaker 2: rest has become more of a footnote. And I think
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Speaker 2: think you know, you could look in hindsight and say, like, well,
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Speaker 2: we always expected it to be like this, Like he's
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Speaker 2: gonna play more at the end of the season, so
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Speaker 2: it's to not take on so much wear and tear
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Speaker 2: over the course of the beginning of the season. But
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Speaker 2: we didn't know that that was truly gonna be the case,
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Speaker 2: And it still remains to be seen if it will,
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Speaker 2: Like is he gonna play thirty four to thirty five
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Speaker 2: thirty six minutes time or we're gonna see him sitting
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Speaker 2: at the end because you know, of cramps or whatever else.
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Speaker 2: So I mean, I think if you sit that to
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Speaker 2: the side for a moment, I mean, the dude is unbelievable.
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Speaker 2: He's electric while he's on the floor. There's a reason
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Speaker 2: why there's so much emotion tied to him playing because
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Speaker 2: he makes Kansas say legitimate national championship contender, and without him,
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Speaker 2: they're not. And so I mean, he's so smooth on offense.
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Speaker 2: He has a killer instinct that you just love to
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Speaker 2: see in the game that reminds I think this is
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Speaker 2: where the Kobe Bryant cops come from, which is obviously
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Speaker 2: unfair to the kid. But like in Lubbock last Monday night,
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Speaker 2: you know they're they're they're screaming expert as him as
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Speaker 2: as he the Vall line calling him, you know, calling.
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Speaker 4: Him names, and he goes and hits the tie the
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Speaker 4: game and a three.
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Speaker 2: To send the game, you know, the three to win
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Speaker 2: the game. So he just has that killer instinct where
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Speaker 2: like any slight motivational tact to kill yous, he's a
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Speaker 2: silent killer. There just aren't many holes in his game.
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Speaker 2: And look, I think Utah did a good job defensive
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Speaker 2: on him. He played thirty four minutes and scored fourteen points.
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Speaker 2: He's probably his worst offense showing of the game of
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Speaker 2: the season. He also seems to play up and play
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Speaker 2: down in a way, like you know, in the biggest moments,
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Speaker 2: he's at his best against the best teams, and he's
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Speaker 2: at his best, you know when they played BYU and
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Speaker 2: it was him debtsa like, he shows up in a
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Speaker 2: big way and in some ways he probably felt like
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Speaker 2: the sleepwalk that Kansas was doing with Utah.
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Speaker 1: All right, Tamkin for a couple more minutes here on
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Speaker 1: the Sean O'Connell show talking to College Hoop. Now, you
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Speaker 1: mentioned BYU, and there's a couple of things to get
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Speaker 1: to with BYU. But the performance on the floor right now,
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Speaker 1: this is maybe the most expensive roster west of the
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Speaker 1: Mississippi or one of This is a very, very a
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Speaker 1: team with a ton of expectations because they got the
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Speaker 1: number one player at high school and aj Debonsa, who's
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Speaker 1: obviously a projected lottery pick, and they have a massive
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Speaker 1: amount of talent in that starting lineup. It does not
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Speaker 1: appear to be the depth that they thought they would
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Speaker 1: get or hope they would get out of some of
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Speaker 1: the guys that are riding the bench right now. And
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Speaker 1: it's just it doesn't feel like this is a team
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Speaker 1: that's going to hit another gear once we get to
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Speaker 1: tournament time. But I wanted your assessment on what is
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Speaker 1: going on with BYU.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and kind of as a side note, it does
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Speaker 2: sort of feel like the Jazz are really positioning themselves
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Speaker 2: to get Dabantsa and with kind of his history in
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Speaker 2: the state, wouldn't that be really interesting? So to your point,
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Speaker 2: as a lottery pick, I could see him being the
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Speaker 2: second overall pick to Utah, which is really weird because
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Speaker 2: a lot of things have to happen for that to happen.
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Speaker 2: And yet sometimes it feels like the NBA is that obvious.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of like Cooper Flag to the MAVs, you
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Speaker 3: know what I mean?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly like the dude who play prep ball at Utah,
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Speaker 4: college ball at Utah, the Jazz or sitting guys the
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Speaker 4: fourth quarter of games or to get there, Like there's
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Speaker 4: a little nudge nudge, wink wink thing going on there, which,
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Speaker 4: by the way, it would be amazing, and I hope
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Speaker 4: for it because we need the Jazz be good again.
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Speaker 2: But but I digress. So look a couple of things here.
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Speaker 2: Number one, like, is this a speed bump on an
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Speaker 2: otherwise you know, successful season, Yeah, to a degree, But
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Speaker 2: is this and I think the game against Houston tell
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Speaker 2: you kind of big picture what this team ceiling is. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I also think that's true too, meaning like they're a
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Speaker 2: finesse offensive basketball team like you got off the bus.
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Speaker 2: Kevin Young style is offense and finesse, and they get
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Speaker 2: really good players and Kevin Young is brilliant and they're
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Speaker 2: great at devising the right sets and offensive game plans,
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Speaker 2: and but Houston's the opposite. Houston is a we're going
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Speaker 2: to defend you and play physically for forty minutes, like
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Speaker 2: do you have they get off the bus and they're
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Speaker 2: physical with you. And this game was tied fifty four
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Speaker 2: with under ten to play, and it was as if
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Speaker 2: Houston was like, Okay, it's time and they just out
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Speaker 2: physical them. And like we've seen this before, they don't
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Speaker 2: have enough of Kaba kaitas on their team. They need
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Speaker 2: more of those guys. They need more rim protectors, shop walkers, rebounders,
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Speaker 2: guys that are willing to mix it up a little bit.
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Speaker 2: They just Houston has a team of them, and even
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Speaker 2: you know, even has five star freshmen doing that, and
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Speaker 2: and Byu does not. And you know they can win
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Speaker 2: a game or two in the tournament playing the style
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Speaker 2: they play with, I don't think they can win a
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Speaker 2: national championship or probably even get to a final four
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Speaker 2: unless they have a little bit more of that Houston
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Speaker 2: in them. And that's again, I think it's just so
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Speaker 2: obvious in watching these games, you know that like they're
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Speaker 2: gonna be out physical, Like they're gonna get out physical
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Speaker 2: by the physical teams in this conference, and this is
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Speaker 2: a physical conference that has physical teams. By the way,
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Speaker 2: You're gonna see that in the tournament eventually, even if
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Speaker 2: even if it isn't right away. So I think after
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Speaker 2: the season Kevin has to take a long, hard look
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Speaker 2: at the mirror and say, we need we need more
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Speaker 2: physical players, We need more Kibaktas on this team, because
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Speaker 2: we're going to keep losing these types of games to
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Speaker 2: these types of physical teams because we don't have them
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Speaker 2: physicality to match.
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Speaker 1: Another headline about BYU is of course related to offensive
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Speaker 1: chance coming from opposing fans, and the Big Twelve is
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Speaker 1: going to find I think the number was fifty thousand
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Speaker 1: for Oklahoma State. Now this is such a it's very
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Speaker 1: much a Utah thing. I don't know how much of
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Speaker 1: the nation cares, but it's a it's a big deal.
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Speaker 1: Here is the Big Twelve doing enough to deter fifty
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Speaker 1: grand doesn't feel like more than a slap on the wrist.
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Speaker 2: It's a great question. Oh see, I mean it's it's
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Speaker 2: really disheartening, you know from my vantage point, you know,
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Speaker 2: because number one, like, how is that acceptable? You know,
17:56
Speaker 2: how can we allow any religion to be thrown at
17:59
Speaker 2: the end of that expletive. But then, like, I mean,
18:03
Speaker 2: we're getting like the obvious humanity piece for a second,
18:06
Speaker 2: Like BYU is a fan base, Like they banned together
18:10
Speaker 2: and raised money for Big twelve schools for no reason
18:14
Speaker 2: other than like just being good people doing good things.
18:16
Speaker 2: I mean, there was a story during the season before
18:19
Speaker 2: BYU and Texas Tech played football where the Texas Tech
18:23
Speaker 2: team barber his wife got a really bad car accident
18:27
Speaker 2: and you know, was on life support basically, and they
18:30
Speaker 2: needed money to help. And here come BYU fans, like
18:34
Speaker 2: a group of them are raised hundreds of thousands of
18:36
Speaker 2: dollars for Texas Tech employee basically, you know, so like
18:42
Speaker 2: they didn't have to do that. It's just and by
18:44
Speaker 2: the way, we know that that's not the first time
18:46
Speaker 2: that something like that's been done before. So it's like, man, like,
18:50
Speaker 2: we should not allow that to be said about anybody
18:53
Speaker 2: in any capacity with that vitriol in terms of a
18:57
Speaker 2: you know, a specific religion or specific group of people.
18:59
Speaker 2: But then also like there are also great people who
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Speaker 2: have raised money for our universities and for our schools
19:02
Speaker 2: and for our people at these schools for no reason
19:05
Speaker 2: other than like to be good people. So I just
19:08
Speaker 2: wish that would resonate more with fans, especially student sections
19:11
Speaker 2: as you go to these games, you know, and yeah,
19:15
Speaker 2: you know, it's a good question see on whether or
19:17
Speaker 2: not the league is doing enough. It feels like the
19:18
Speaker 2: league's doing something, which like maybe we shouldn't award them
19:23
Speaker 2: for doing some some action, but it feels like that's
19:26
Speaker 2: something's better than nothing. And I feel like historically that's
19:28
Speaker 2: been the case. But we'll see. I mean, I think, yeah,
19:32
Speaker 2: if if, if it doesn't change. And I know BYU
19:35
Speaker 2: fans hear this and they're like, yeah, we've heard this
19:37
Speaker 2: for years. Right, It's like the old like there's a
19:38
Speaker 2: fine or a you know, a public raprimand and then
19:41
Speaker 2: you know they apologize say the same thing. It doesn't
19:44
Speaker 2: it doesn't reflect their values, YadA, YadA, YadA. Like I know,
19:46
Speaker 2: I know BYU fans have heard this before. So you
19:49
Speaker 2: kind of feel like if this just keeps happening, then
19:51
Speaker 2: you do probably have to go a little bit deeper
19:53
Speaker 2: and figure out how to stop it from happening. I mean,
19:55
Speaker 2: I think it's not their own possibility to say, like,
19:57
Speaker 2: if you're in the student section, you've got to have
19:59
Speaker 2: you know, ex security over there, and if something like
20:01
Speaker 2: this does start of a channel like that does start,
20:04
Speaker 2: you start kicking people out and taking away their ability
20:06
Speaker 2: to come back to games, because you know, yeah, it's
20:10
Speaker 2: really disheartening to continue to hear it in the Big Twelve,
20:12
Speaker 2: but especially given you know, get all the b y
20:14
Speaker 2: U and BYU fans have done for other teams within
20:16
Speaker 2: the Big Twelve.
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Speaker 3: Well said, We'll leave it at that.
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Speaker 1: Appreciate your time and your expertise as always, enjoy the week,
20:25
Speaker 1: Enjoy tonight.
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Speaker 3: I'll say, I'll say, go Jayhawks.
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Speaker 1: There's no reason not to go on on this air,
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Speaker 1: on these airwaves, so on behalf of our I'll say it.
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Speaker 2: Appreciate you, Josie, take care, brother, be well.