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The Gulf Of ... · Conversations: Special Guests with Preston Scott

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the third hour of The Morning Show with
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  Speaker 1: Preston Scott. Fast Moving Thursday, and it's January thirtieth already. Thankfully,
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  Speaker 1: I'm no longer counting down the days that we are
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  Speaker 1: held hostage. We are liberated from that, and so we
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  Speaker 1: now move forward and we are joined each month by
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  Speaker 1: doctor Ed Moore and a little more history. Hello, my friend,
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  Speaker 1: how are you?
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  Speaker 2: I'm good, I'm good. But you just said, you know,
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  Speaker 2: we're January the thirtieth. My daughter posted up. I thought
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  Speaker 2: it was hysterical. How many more months are there in January?
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  Speaker 2: Was her comment. It just seem and it does when
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  Speaker 2: you sit and reflect on it. So much has happened
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  Speaker 2: in the month of January this year that it can't
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  Speaker 2: have all been done in just thirty days.
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  Speaker 1: So much has happened in ten days. Oh yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: mean it's crazy. But I joked about the fact that
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  Speaker 1: you got eight pages of notes and will you get
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  Speaker 1: through one? And the fact of the matter is you
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  Speaker 1: have eleven You said thirteen. Actually, that cut very good.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't want to short change you.
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  Speaker 2: There probably eight or nine that we won't even look
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  Speaker 2: at it.
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  Speaker 1: Well. Earlier I talked about the fact that we have
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  Speaker 1: this idea of what we're going to do, and then
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  Speaker 1: you inevitably say yeah, but and this is a yeah
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  Speaker 1: butt segment.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah it is. And it prompted me, as I've said
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  Speaker 2: before on this show, that I start researching something and
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  Speaker 2: then some little tidbit over here attracts my attention, and
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  Speaker 2: so I'm swimming over in this pond for a while,
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  Speaker 2: and then I go deep water and keep going and
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  Speaker 2: I that'd be an interesting topic to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: It, and he drags me along because I'm on the
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  Speaker 1: other side of the leash. Go ahead, there you go.
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  Speaker 2: I thought it'd be interesting to talk about. You know,
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  Speaker 2: President Trump is signing all kinds of executive orders, and
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  Speaker 2: one that he pretty much surprised everybody with was the
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  Speaker 2: renaming of the Gulf of Mexico calling the Gulf of America.
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  Speaker 2: And nobody would have forecasted that being an issue. But
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  Speaker 2: I thought, well, I wonder how it got its name,
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  Speaker 2: and where did all this come from, and how rigid
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  Speaker 2: is it? And where is really the golf? You know
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  Speaker 2: that's me, my squirrel, yep, yep. And the history on
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  Speaker 2: it is really fascinating. I mean, it's obviously it's about
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  Speaker 2: three hundred million years old and it didn't probably have
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  Speaker 2: a name for most of that time, sort of like
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  Speaker 2: my notes. You know, you'll never get to that, but
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  Speaker 2: it uh, you know, you'd call it what you want,
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  Speaker 2: and uh, you know, so he is I mean he.
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  Speaker 1: At least our portion of it?
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  Speaker 2: Well, or how we I mean when you think about
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  Speaker 2: the ramifications of that, if you rename something anything geographically,
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  Speaker 2: you know all the topographers, and you know that this
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  Speaker 2: map company and that map company, and you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got my world map back there.
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  Speaker 2: Go relabel it. I mean, all of these kinds of things.
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  Speaker 2: And uh, one of the interesting little tidbits I found
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  Speaker 2: was like Google, if you do a Google search, what
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  Speaker 2: their decision was on that and now technically based on
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  Speaker 2: the Department of an Interior and what goes on in
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  Speaker 2: the US government, it is now the Gulf of America.
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  Speaker 2: They're going to use that. They don't have to have legislation,
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  Speaker 2: No big deal. He's you know, it's the old Obama.
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  Speaker 2: I've got a pen, you know, I can make it happen. Well,
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  Speaker 2: that's true, So it is that So if you Google
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  Speaker 2: search going forward, I don't know if they've made the
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  Speaker 2: technical changes now, depending on where you are. When you
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  Speaker 2: ask the question what is this body of water called?
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  Speaker 2: Or however you phrase the question, it'll give you a
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  Speaker 2: different answer. I mean, if you're sitting in Tallahassee and
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  Speaker 2: you google search it it's.
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  Speaker 1: The Gulf of Florida.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, well it has been called that. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: so you know, it's had a lot of names going
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  Speaker 2: through time, and it's a hit on the history hook
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  Speaker 2: for why I've sitting in this chair going over history.
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  Speaker 2: It's had an amazing number of names, and it's fifteen
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  Speaker 2: early fifteen hundreds. It's been called all kinds of things
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  Speaker 2: depending on who's doing the naming.
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  Speaker 1: When did this trail start? For you? Going back how far?
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  Speaker 2: Talking about the name? Yep, as soon as President Trump
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  Speaker 2: said we're going to call this the go.
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  Speaker 1: But where did you find its first iteration of its name?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? You can go back to basically the Spaniards exploring.
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  Speaker 2: But bureaucracy is involved in everything. I mean, I get
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  Speaker 2: humor out of this. There's actually a federal body in
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  Speaker 2: our government called the Board on Geographic Names, established in
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  Speaker 2: eighteen ninety. Okay, that's how long it's been around. They
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  Speaker 2: probably don't meet very often because there's not now they're scrambling. Hope,
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  Speaker 2: we've got work to do it, but.
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  Speaker 1: We're not discovering anything new anymore. I could get it.
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  Speaker 1: Back then we were moving west, right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, a lot of new territory, new expansion. But
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  Speaker 2: they actually created a board. You see four guys sitting
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  Speaker 2: around a table going, hey, what are we gonna name this?
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  Speaker 1: I want to be on that boy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah, I don't know. I don't know what
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  Speaker 2: the perks are, just to say you got it, you're
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  Speaker 2: on it. And there's also in the Secretary of Interior
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  Speaker 2: there's a Geographic Names Information System. Uh so, I mean
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  Speaker 2: where I tech on this stuff? Now, okay, so the
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  Speaker 2: name changing to happen in a hurry Laughably. Mexican President
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  Speaker 2: Claudia shinbaumb Pardo, that's the President of Mexican now. She
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  Speaker 2: suggested that it shouldn't be called the Gulf of America,
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  Speaker 2: that we should rename most of America is Mexican America
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  Speaker 2: because there are maps pretty much that show you know, actually,
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  Speaker 2: and if you went back even further, most of it
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  Speaker 2: was originally called Old Spain. I mean so because his
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  Speaker 2: Spanish are coming you when you start researching this, you
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  Speaker 2: find all kinds of conflicts that occurred. I mean the
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  Speaker 2: first people going into Mexican you know, when the Spanish
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  Speaker 2: came over here. At first they conquered Hispaniola, which now
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  Speaker 2: is at the islands called Hispaniola, but it's the Dominican
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  Speaker 2: Republican Haiti. Two countries on one island, right, they call
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  Speaker 2: it Hispaniola. Then they moved from there and they conquered Cuba,
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  Speaker 2: took over Cuba, and then the Hernando Cortes they call
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  Speaker 2: them Hernan Cortes, and a couple of other Spanish guys
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  Speaker 2: trying to gain favor, wanted to go further and they
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  Speaker 2: discovered the Yucatan. Well, if you look at the map,
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  Speaker 2: the Yucatan Peninsula really sticks way up into the Gulf
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  Speaker 2: of Mexico and where the Gulf of Mexico slash America is.
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  Speaker 2: You know, growing up, I always thought it included basically
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  Speaker 2: the whole Caribbean. On old Spanish maps and some modern
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  Speaker 2: maps they call that whole basin, that whole entire area
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  Speaker 2: the American Mediterranean Sea. Said that takes in all of
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  Speaker 2: the care being in the Gulf of Mexico. So you
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  Speaker 2: start arguing about where were you really talking about? Which
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  Speaker 2: countries are on it. All those countries below Cuba are
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  Speaker 2: not in the Gulf of Mexico, and the northern part
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  Speaker 2: of South America would not be classified as being in
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  Speaker 2: the Gulf of Mexico. Really kind of is just Mexico,
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  Speaker 2: the United States, and then the top of Cuba. Everything
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  Speaker 2: in there is what they're referring to and now going
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  Speaker 2: to be called the Gulf of America. So a lot
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  Speaker 2: of arguing back and forth. But when they conquered Mexico,
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  Speaker 2: they discovered another civilization that they had no idea existed
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  Speaker 2: that was fairly modern and buildings and a lot of gold,
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  Speaker 2: and they got gold fever, which created all kinds of
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  Speaker 2: traffic within this gulf and why things started being settled.
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  Speaker 2: The time frames are huge when you look at the
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  Speaker 2: time frames, it might be from fifteen twenty to fifteen
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  Speaker 2: fifty before town are established. But they had to start
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  Speaker 2: establishing towns all around the Gulf of Mexico because they
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  Speaker 2: would have shipwrecks, a lot of shipwrecks, a lot of
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  Speaker 2: hurricanes that would take ships down full of gold, and
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  Speaker 2: in order to do rescue and salvage operations, they couldn't
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  Speaker 2: go all the way from Havana all the way from Mexico,
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  Speaker 2: so Mississippi where Ocean Springs, Mississippi is. They've created a
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  Speaker 2: little settlement there, Pensacola Settlement there. Both of those settlements
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  Speaker 2: were older than Saint Augustine, but Saint Augustine gets to
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  Speaker 2: capture the name the oldest permanent settlement because they stayed
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  Speaker 2: there and it grew from that. It's really growing now.
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  Speaker 2: But back then it was not much there and all
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  Speaker 2: those others kind of came and went. Pensacola was there then,
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't there. The fort close. A lot of changes
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  Speaker 2: that go on during this timeframe. Add the French to
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  Speaker 2: the mix.
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  Speaker 1: We always had the French to the mix.
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  Speaker 2: Man. Yeah, they came in. They settled all around Pascal
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  Speaker 2: in that area, and that Pensacola against right, So then
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  Speaker 2: the English came in. So it's been a mess. It's
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  Speaker 2: been I can go over the list. I'll find it
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  Speaker 2: and go over the list of what this thing has
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  Speaker 2: been called. It's incredible.
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  Speaker 1: I almost feel bad. Thirteen pages of notes and he said,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not even through my first.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can keep making fun of me.
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  Speaker 1: I almost feel bad.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I've talked about different things. Maybe that might be
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  Speaker 2: on another page somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: You know that it could be all these years, and
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  Speaker 1: you still just do all this digging and you end
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  Speaker 1: up leaving with all these extra pages. I said, write
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  Speaker 1: a book, man, write a block.
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  Speaker 2: Well, when miners dig for gold, they take out a
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  Speaker 2: lot of rock and dig a big hole to find
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  Speaker 2: a little piece of gold.
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  Speaker 1: Well done, okay, well done?
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  Speaker 2: All right? So the names, well, it's the way my
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  Speaker 2: mind works. I started thinking, Okay, are there other bodies
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  Speaker 2: of war anywhere around the world, or countries or anything
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  Speaker 2: that the names are in dispute? Okay? And what came
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  Speaker 2: to mind was, remember when the Brits invade invaded basically
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  Speaker 2: Argentine territory, the Falkland Islands. The Argentines called it Las
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  Speaker 2: Malvinas they it wasn't Falkland, that's a British name. So
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  Speaker 2: they kind of still argue about that. You go to
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  Speaker 2: the Sea of Japan, everybody calls this from the US
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  Speaker 2: calls it the Sea of Japan. Well, Korea is on
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  Speaker 2: one side of the Sea of Japan. They don't like it.
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  Speaker 2: They want to call it the East Sea. Okay, in Korean,
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  Speaker 2: but they actually even have a society for the East
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  Speaker 2: Sea in Korea, and there's a lot of animosity when
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  Speaker 2: you look back back to the Gulf our Golf. You know,
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  Speaker 2: the English came in, the French came in. They're you know,
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  Speaker 2: not battling over the water, but battling over the lands
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  Speaker 2: around that water. Well, the Korea and Japan when you
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  Speaker 2: get to them, Japan invaded Korea nineteen oh five. Around
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  Speaker 2: there until the end of World War Two, they ruled Korea.
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  Speaker 2: Japan ruled Korea.
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  Speaker 1: Much less and not necessarily nicely.
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  Speaker 2: Not nicely. That'sn't well. We could do a whole another
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  Speaker 2: story on that. And I did a bunch of work
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  Speaker 2: in Taiwan, and Japan controlled from the eighteen nineties to
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  Speaker 2: nineteen forty five Taiwan nicely. I mean, they did some
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  Speaker 2: bad things, but not like they did to Korea or
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  Speaker 2: the Chinese. Right, they treated Taiwan differently. It was maybe
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  Speaker 2: as it was their vacation spot, and they built road
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  Speaker 2: systems and schools and did I mean, they really developed
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  Speaker 2: Taiwan a little different than their attitude towards Korea and China.
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  Speaker 2: But huge dispate dispute there. I talked about the fault
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  Speaker 2: the South China Sea, pretty big body of water bigger
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  Speaker 2: than the Gulf of Mexico. China calls it Non High,
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  Speaker 2: which means South Sea. Pretty simple, but they dug deep
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  Speaker 2: on that one, didn't. Yeah. Yeah, It's called the West
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  Speaker 2: Philippine Sea by the Philipinos, it's called Indonesians call it
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  Speaker 2: the North Natuna Sea, and Vietnam.
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  Speaker 1: Does that mean there's no tuna to be found there?
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  Speaker 2: Okay? And then the Vietnamese call it Biendong, which means
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  Speaker 2: east sixty.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, hey, hey, they'll get a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: And all of the islands and the bays and the
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  Speaker 2: coves and everything that are part all around all those
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  Speaker 2: islands in the South China Sea all have multiple names.
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  Speaker 1: Oh well, you got two minutes to tell me about
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  Speaker 1: the Gulf of Mexico.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get there. There's twenty three sovereign states within
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  Speaker 2: what's called what they talked earlier about the American Mediterranean Sea,
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  Speaker 2: twenty three different countries. They can all call it whatever
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  Speaker 2: they want, basically the way these things are done. Sure,
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  Speaker 2: so you could have twenty three names for the Gulf
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  Speaker 2: of Mexico. There's fifteen dependencies that are lie within that
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  Speaker 2: body of area, and then eighteen marginally named seas, which
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  Speaker 2: took me to go, Okay, what is the sea? What
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  Speaker 2: is a bay? What is a gulf? And when you
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  Speaker 2: read up the definitions they bleed over. It's almost like
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  Speaker 2: we're not sure you can call it what you want to.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's surrounded by land. Well it's the Gulf
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  Speaker 2: of Mexico. Really surrounded by land. No, does it have
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  Speaker 2: land on three sides? No, not really, they use it anyway,
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  Speaker 2: so that's well kind of does sort of, but you
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  Speaker 2: know's I mean, if you were to.
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  Speaker 1: Put it on a compass, it would have you know,
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  Speaker 1: roughly two hundred and seventy degrees.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, Mexico and the United States, mostly Florida. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, our coach is bigger than all the Alabama, Mississippi,
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  Speaker 2: and Texas, right, all have borders there, So yeah, it's
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  Speaker 2: but it's also Mexican. Mexican bordering the Gulf of America
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  Speaker 2: is about thirteen hundred and seventy miles, and US territory
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  Speaker 2: bordering the Gulf of Mexico is about thirteen hundred miles,
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  Speaker 2: so it's almost exactly the same. So you're looking at
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  Speaker 2: me with this strange look.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I I keep waiting for all the names and
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  Speaker 1: you're out of time.
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  Speaker 2: I'm out of time. Oh well, save the names for
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  Speaker 2: another day.
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  Speaker 1: That's our invitation to read the blog.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been called so many things, depending on who
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  Speaker 2: was doing the calling. That's my basic point of Angers
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  Speaker 2: called it one thing, the Mexican people, the Spanish people,
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  Speaker 2: the French, everybody had a different name for it. Explorers
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  Speaker 2: all called it something different, Spain called it something different.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's going to be the Gulf of America because
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  Speaker 1: Google says, so if you're if.
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  Speaker 2: You're googling in Florida, you're a googlizer from Florida, you're
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  Speaker 2: going to get Gulf of America.
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  Speaker 1: What about if you're googling in.
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  Speaker 2: Texas, probably the Gulf of America.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's all that matters what we think here
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  Speaker 1: in America at.
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  Speaker 2: The wall, when they finished the wall, it would keep
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  Speaker 2: that information on one side, and you go right across,
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  Speaker 2: go to Warrez, and they're going to tell you, no,
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  Speaker 2: it's a Golf of Mexico.
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  Speaker 1: Well, of course, there's no reason to go to Warrez.
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  Speaker 1: There's no reason to go to anywhere in Mexico.
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  Speaker 2: Now right now, I wouldn't be doing it.
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  Speaker 1: Be well, thank you sir, Yeah, it's entertaining. Always doctor
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