Latest / The Difficult Boss Podcast with Fexingo: Managing Up, Toxic Managers, and Workplace Survival / Why Good Managers Let You Fail
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- Lucas: I was talking to a former colleague last week who just left a mid-level product role after three years, and her reason for leaving wasn’t conflict with her team. It was actually the opposite. She said her manager never corrected her, never steered her, and never challenged her assumptions until it was too late. Luna: That sounds frustrating. So she felt unsupported? Lucas: Exactly. But here is the twist. Her manager wasn’t trying to sabotage her. He believed that if he stepped in every time she made a minor error, she would never develop the muscle memory to handle ambiguity on her own. He called it benign neglect. He thought he was building resilience. Luna: But clearly, it didn’t feel like support to her. It felt like abandonment. Lucas: Right. And that disconnect is where most careers get stuck. We tend to think good management means constant guidance. But there is a specific type of leadership that prioritizes autonomy over accuracy, and if you don’t know how to navigate it, you end up doing all the heavy lifting while they take the credit for the structural setup. Luna: So the issue isn’t necessarily the lack of feedback, but the lack of calibration? Knowing when to step in versus when to step back? Lucas: Precisely. Because there is a difference between a manager who is disengaged and a manager who is strategically distant. The latter is actually quite common in high-growth environments where speed matters more than perfection. But the employee has to be able to read the room and ask for the right kind of help. Luna: That requires a level of self-awareness that a lot of junior employees just don’t have yet. They wait for the hand-holding. Lucas: They do. And if you’re waiting for permission to fail safely, you might be waiting forever. The manager who practices benign neglect usually expects you to bring them the solution, not the problem. If you bring them the problem, they say no. If you bring them the solution, they nod and move on. Luna: So the test becomes: can you solve it before they even see it? Lucas: Yes. And that is exhausting if you’re not used to operating at that level of independence. I’ve seen it in investment banking too. The associates aren’t told what to model; they’re expected to build the model correctly the first time because the partner doesn’t have time to teach them. If you mess up, you don’t get a lecture. You just lose the opportunity for the next deal. Luna: That sounds incredibly high-pressure. How do you survive that environment without burning out? Lucas: You have to shift your mindset from student to operator. In school, you learn so you can pass the test. In these roles, you operate so you can generate value. The feedback loop changes from academic correction to market validation. And that is a hard pivot for a lot of people coming out of traditional education. Luna: It feels like the burden of proof shifts entirely onto the employee. They have to prove they are ready before they are actually given the chance to learn. Lucas: That is the paradox. You have to demonstrate competence to get mentorship, but you only get competence through mentorship. It’s a catch twenty-two that these managers seem happy to let you wrestle with alone. Luna: So what is the practical takeaway for someone listening who feels like they are drowning in autonomy? Lucas: First, stop asking for instructions. Start asking for context. Instead of saying how do I do this, ask what does success look like for this task. Get the criteria right, then execute. If you execute within those criteria, you won’t get corrected. Luna: That is such a subtle but critical distinction. Instructions are tactical; context is strategic. Lucas: Exactly. Context lets you adapt. Instructions lock you into one path. If your manager is distant, context is your only lifeline. You need to extract the boundaries of the problem, not the steps to solve it. Luna: And if they refuse to give you context? If they just say figure it out? Lucas: Then you have to decide if this is a developmental challenge or a toxic void. A good distant manager will eventually circle back to review your work and give you high-level feedback. A bad one will just ignore you until the deadline passes. You have to watch for that post-mortem conversation. Luna: So the presence or absence of the debrief tells you everything about their intent. Lucas: It does. If they care about your growth, they want to know what went wrong so you don’t repeat it. If they don’t care, they just want the risk off their plate. The debrief is where the truth comes out. Luna: This reminds me of how we talk about investors in startups. Some founders are very hands-off, letting the CEO run wild. Others are micromanagers. The hands-off ones usually have more respect for the founder’s expertise. Lucas: That is a great analogy. Because investors are also looking for returns, not involvement. They want you to win, but they don’t want to drive the car. Your manager should view you the same way. They want you to succeed, but they aren’t going to hold your hand while you walk. Luna: But walking blindfolded is different from walking independently. Lucas: True. And that is where the risk lies. You can walk independently and hit a pothole. But if you are blindfolded, you might fall down a staircase. The manager needs to ensure you aren’t blindfolded, even if they aren’t guiding your steps. Luna: How do you tell if you are blindfolded or just independent? Lucas: Ask yourself if you have clear goals. Independence means you know the destination and choose the route. Blindfolded means you don’t even know where you are supposed to go. If you are confused about the outcome, you are blindfolded. If you are confused about the method, you are independent. Luna: That is a really helpful framework. Outcome clarity versus execution autonomy. Lucas: Right. Most good managers will give you the outcome and leave the execution open. That is where you grow. But if they are vague on both, you need to escalate. Not by complaining, but by proposing a plan. Say here is my understanding of the goal and here is how I plan to get there. Does that work? Luna: So you force the calibration by making your assumptions explicit. Lucas: You force them to engage. If they say yes, you are good. If they say no, you finally get the correction you needed. It breaks the cycle of silent failure. Luna: It takes the guesswork out of the relationship. You turn ambiguity into a negotiation. Lucas: Exactly. Ambiguity is the enemy of progress. By negotiating the terms, you create structure. And structure is what allows you to perform well without constant supervision. Luna: I think a lot of people fear that asking for clarity looks like weakness. Like they are admitting they don’t know. Lucas: That is the biggest misconception. Asking for clarity shows you are serious about getting it right. It shows you respect the outcome. Silence is what looks like weakness because it suggests you are hiding your ignorance until it costs the company money. Luna: So proactive clarification is actually a sign of confidence. Lucas: It is. It signals that you are in control of the process. You are not waiting for rescue. You are steering the ship. Luna: I love that. Steering the ship rather than waiting for a tugboat. Lucas: Precisely. And if the captain disappears, you still have the wheel. You just need to make sure you know where the port is. Luna: This whole conversation makes me realize how much we rely on external validation for our sense of direction. Lucas: We do. And in the modern workplace, that validation is becoming scarcer. You have to become your own source of alignment. That is the new skill set. Self-alignment. Luna: It feels like a lot of responsibility to put on the individual. But maybe that is just the reality of how organizations are structured now. Lucas: It is. And those who master it will move faster than those who wait to be led. The question is whether you are willing to carry that weight. Luna: That is the real test. Are you ready to carry the weight of your own direction? Lucas: If you want to hear more stories like this and keep the show ad-free, consider supporting us directly. If we've helped you think through a career move or decision, your contribution helps us keep producing this content for free. You can find us at buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. Any amount helps keep the lights on and the mugs full. Luna: Thanks for keeping this space honest and useful for everyone listening. Lucas: Back to the topic. So if you are currently in a role where your manager is distant, try this experiment. For one week, stop asking how to do things. Start asking what success looks like. See if the dynamic shifts. Luna: And pay attention to whether they engage with your proposed outcomes or just ignore them. Lucas: Yes. Their reaction will tell you everything you need to know about whether this is a place where you can grow or a place where you will stagnate. Luna: It turns the passive experience of working into an active diagnostic tool. Lucas: Exactly. You are not just an employee. You are a researcher studying your own environment. And that changes everything about how you approach your day. Luna: I think that reframing alone is worth the price of admission. Just being curious instead of frustrated. Lucas: Curiosity is the antidote to helplessness. When you are curious, you are looking for data. When you are helpless, you are looking for blame. Which one serves you better? Luna: Definitely curiosity. It keeps you moving forward instead of standing still. Lucas: So as you head into your week, ask yourself which hat you are wearing. The victim or the investigator? And remember, the investigator always finds a way to learn something.