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  Speaker 1: Latest interview of Elon Muss.
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  Speaker 2: How long is the trip from hosting too here quite lately, I.
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  Speaker 3: Think it's about eight or nine hours.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, so you're fresh like him in the first morning, Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 4: So first question is about demography, and I spoke with
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  Speaker 4: you in the past about that, and I think it's
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  Speaker 4: really important for you, and you pointed on that a
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  Speaker 4: lot of your discussion and your partners.
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  Speaker 3: Is it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, you know, I really want to emphasize
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  Speaker 1: that it's important to have children and to create the
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  Speaker 1: new generation. And as simple as it sounds, if people
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  Speaker 1: do not have children, there is no new generation. So
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  Speaker 1: so I very very much strongly recommend that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm very much in favor of humanity expanding and creating
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  Speaker 1: a bright and exciting future of the world. And but
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  Speaker 1: but but fundamental to the furtherance of human civilization is
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  Speaker 1: having humans as as simple and basic as that sounds.
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  Speaker 1: And uh, you know, every every year I look at
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  Speaker 1: the the birth rates and I'm like, it's it's kind
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  Speaker 1: of a bit depressing because, uh, birth rates seem to
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  Speaker 1: decline every year, and I think, uh, you know that
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  Speaker 1: pass my my biggest advice to leaders, to government leaders,
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  Speaker 1: and and and to to the people in general. Would
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  Speaker 1: would be to make sure to have children to create
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  Speaker 1: the new generation. And I think any any incentives that
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  Speaker 1: can be done to incent the new generation, to make
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  Speaker 1: it easier for men to have children and to support
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  Speaker 1: the children, I think would be very wise. This is
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  Speaker 1: so fundamental and I really can't emphasize that enough. If
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  Speaker 1: if you don't have a new generation, there is no
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  Speaker 1: new generation, or with current birth rates, I think it
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  Speaker 1: may be the generations are at birth rates maybe.
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  Speaker 3: Half half of the replacement rate.
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  Speaker 1: And what that means is in three generations the population
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  Speaker 1: will be one roughly roughly one tenth of its current size.
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  Speaker 1: In three generations maybe four generations that you'll have, the
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  Speaker 1: population will be one tenth of its current size. So
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  Speaker 1: I always want to emphasize this point because it is
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  Speaker 1: so basic and fundamental that if if there's not at
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  Speaker 1: least a birth rate which is keeping population constant, then
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  Speaker 1: a people will will will disappear, disappear, disappearer.
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  Speaker 4: We have a lot of immigration. Somebody says that immigration
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  Speaker 4: is important.
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  Speaker 2: For that reason.
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  Speaker 4: What's your point on that immigrations is coming in Europe
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  Speaker 4: and is coming in America from the south of America
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  Speaker 4: and then Europe from the south of the Mediterranean Sea.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think about that?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think one can't depend on other countries for immigration.
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  Speaker 1: And in fact, if you look at say the population worldwide,
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  Speaker 1: and this is almost everywhere in the world, and it
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  Speaker 1: seems to be a function of how once the country industrializes,
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  Speaker 1: once the country urbanizes, the population immediately starts to decline.
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  Speaker 1: So what one could say, for example, like like China
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  Speaker 1: could not possibly solve its population with immigration because if
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  Speaker 1: you you know, China's currently tracking to be maybe lose
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  Speaker 1: forty percent of its population every generation. You know, that
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  Speaker 1: would be seven hundred million, eight hundred million people.
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  Speaker 3: Or seven hundred roughly seven six seven hundred million people.
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  Speaker 3: It's a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Basically, you'd have to have the entire United States immigrate
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  Speaker 1: there twice every generation to simply maintain numbers just for China.
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  Speaker 1: So immigration there simply aren't enough numbers in immigration. And
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  Speaker 1: I think I think there is value to a culture,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and we don't want cultures. We don't want
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  Speaker 1: Japan to disappear. We don't want Italy as a culture
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  Speaker 1: to disappear. We don't want France as a culture to disappear.
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  Speaker 1: I think we have to have the maintain the sort
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  Speaker 1: of reasonable cultural identity of the various countries or they
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  Speaker 1: simply will not be those countries. You know, Italy is Italy.
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  Speaker 3: Is the people of Italy.
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  Speaker 1: The buildings are there, but really what is Italy Italy
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  Speaker 1: is the people of Italy, the probably person. So I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I just think it's a And I speak as someone
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  Speaker 1: who is very much, very much and I'm an environmentalist,
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  Speaker 1: and I believe in having, you know, building a sustainable
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  Speaker 1: future for the world. I think that there are very
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  Speaker 1: few people who, as an individual, who have done more
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  Speaker 1: than I have for to help the environment with electric
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  Speaker 1: cars and solar and and batteries to create a sustainable
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  Speaker 1: energy future, because we absolutely need a sustainable energy future.
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  Speaker 1: But but, but there is an aspect of the environmental
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  Speaker 1: movement that I think has gone too far.
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  Speaker 2: Really said from you.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, so said for me.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I think I am objectively one of the
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  Speaker 1: world's leading environmentalists in terms of doing things like I'm
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  Speaker 1: an environmentalist who does things up talk of action, not talk.
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  Speaker 3: I act.
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  Speaker 1: So I feel I can say, as as an environmentalist
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  Speaker 1: that the environmentalist movement has gone too far and in
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  Speaker 1: that if you in the natural extension of the environmentalist movement,
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  Speaker 1: if you go too far, you start to look at
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  Speaker 1: humanity as a bad thing. You start to look at
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  Speaker 1: humanity as though we are a plague on the surface
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  Speaker 1: of the earth, as though humanity is a bad thing.
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  Speaker 1: And in fact, there are some people who think and
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  Speaker 1: say explicitly that. In fact, there was on the front
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  Speaker 1: page of the New York Times there was a guy
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  Speaker 1: who said, there are eight billion people on earth. It
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  Speaker 1: will be better if there were none, which is.
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  Speaker 2: Crazy, definitely. So you taught me a joke about that.
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  Speaker 4: You told want to joke about the cows and the
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  Speaker 4: problem with the cows.
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  Speaker 1: You remember that, Oh, yeah, don't worry about the cows
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  Speaker 1: of tels A fine. Cows are not going to destroy
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  Speaker 1: the environment, hours are fine.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, you know, we.
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  Speaker 4: Have a a lot of lows European laws again against
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  Speaker 4: all the people who walk to them. You know, it's
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  Speaker 4: a big issue for it because it seems in green issue,
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  Speaker 4: but is a very industrial issue for us.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think farming and cows are not do not have
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  Speaker 1: any meaningful effect on the environment, Yes, underline please, I yes,
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  Speaker 1: objectively this is true.
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  Speaker 3: So so the if you say, like there's.
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  Speaker 1: There's really only one thing that matters from an environmental
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  Speaker 1: standpoint for carbon, which is that we are taking billions,
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  Speaker 1: eventually trillions of tons of carbon from buried deep with
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  Speaker 1: it under the earth and putting transferring it to the.
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  Speaker 3: Atmosphere and oceans. That's the that's actually really all that.
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  Speaker 1: Matters, is taking vast amounts of carbon from underground where
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  Speaker 1: it's buried and moving it into.
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  Speaker 3: The atmosphere by burning it.
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  Speaker 1: And if you do that for long enough enough, eventually
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  Speaker 1: you will get climate change. Now, I think the climate
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  Speaker 1: change alarm is somewhat overblown in the short term. It's
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  Speaker 1: still a concern in the long term, but I think
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  Speaker 1: it's exaggerated in the short term. Great Now I have
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  Speaker 1: to I'm trying to thread the needle here between what
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  Speaker 1: you know, like what is pragmatic and what is sensible,
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  Speaker 1: what really matters and what doesn't matter. What really matters
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  Speaker 1: is that over the long term, over the course of
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  Speaker 1: the next several decades, that we gradually reduce how how
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  Speaker 1: many millions and billions of tons of carbon that we
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  Speaker 1: move from underground and to the atmosphere. Because we're running
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  Speaker 1: sort of a climate experiment that is dangerous, but I
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  Speaker 1: also don't think that I'll think of it as a
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  Speaker 1: fundamental civilizational risk. It is it's not going to destroy
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  Speaker 1: life on Earth, it's not going to destroy humanity, but
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  Speaker 1: will it will create hardship if you change the climate
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  Speaker 1: over many decades. So it's it's I think my message
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  Speaker 1: is like I think much more pragmatic, and I think
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  Speaker 1: I think correct and sensible, and I don't think we
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  Speaker 1: should demonize oil and gas.
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  Speaker 3: I think we.
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  Speaker 1: Should say, look, that is obviously necessary in the short
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  Speaker 1: term and the medium term too, and a little bit
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  Speaker 1: take several decades to become sustainable. So I think if
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  Speaker 1: we just without getting too worried about it, seek to
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  Speaker 1: have a sustainable energy future gradually, then that's what will happen.
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  Speaker 1: And so I think that some of the environmentalists movement
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  Speaker 1: has is part of what is We're causing people to
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  Speaker 1: lose hope in the future. So I guess what if
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  Speaker 1: trying I say is that we should have hope in
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  Speaker 1: the future. We should be excited about the future, and
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  Speaker 1: we should both the future we want.
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  Speaker 2: What about and even.
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  Speaker 4: You call it the work mind, Yes, sure, it's the
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  Speaker 4: name you gave to the work work mind illness.
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  Speaker 2: What's that virus? Yeah, so so it's coming to Europe.
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  Speaker 1: I have to advise you, yes, well this is not
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  Speaker 1: something you should import from America. Please don't import the
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  Speaker 1: work mind virus is bad. So the I mean essentially
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  Speaker 1: that to summarize maybe the worklind virus, it consists of
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  Speaker 1: creating very very divisive.
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  Speaker 3: Identity politics. So it actually.
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  Speaker 1: Amplifies work virus, myn virus, in my view, amplifies racism,
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  Speaker 1: amplifies frankly, sexism and all the isms, and.
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  Speaker 3: While claiming to do the opposite, it actually.
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  Speaker 1: Divides people and makes them, uh sort of hate each other,
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  Speaker 1: and it makes people hate themselves. And it's also anti meritocratic.
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  Speaker 3: It's not like you know, it's not merit based.
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  Speaker 1: So you want you want to have people succeed based
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  Speaker 1: on how hard they work and the talents, not who
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  Speaker 1: they are.
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  Speaker 3: Whether the man, woman, what what what? Race or you know, gender?
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  Speaker 3: What's that?
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  Speaker 1: Stuff is all creating. It's an artificial uh you know,
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  Speaker 1: mental civil war that is created and it's not and
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  Speaker 1: let me say it's no fun, okay. It is like
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  Speaker 1: it is like woke mind virus and fun are incompatible.
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  Speaker 3: Is no fun in that.
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  Speaker 1: No joy, it's it's it woke mind virus is all
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  Speaker 1: about condemning people instead of celebrating people, you know, like
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  Speaker 1: when in the work, it just doesn't celebrate. It's all
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  Speaker 1: about condemning and being divisive and and being just I
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  Speaker 1: think it's just evil frankly, really yeah, yeah, it's.
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  Speaker 2: Bad, so bad.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but you get a lot of problems saying so
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  Speaker 4: on on your social and excel. Have this point of
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  Speaker 4: view you are good friend of about my administration, and
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  Speaker 4: now they don't really like you so much for this
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  Speaker 4: kind of speech you're doing in public or not.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, I just I'm very very
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  Speaker 3: pro human I'm very pro civilization.
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  Speaker 1: I'm in favor of humanity and our collective consciousness expanding
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  Speaker 1: on Earth and going beyond Earth, being a multiplanet species,
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  Speaker 1: a space bearing civilization, and being out there among the
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  Speaker 1: stars and finding out the nature of the universe, like
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  Speaker 1: all the things that you know, it's that seems like
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  Speaker 1: to me, and you know, exciting things.
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  Speaker 3: Something you can get really excited about, is you to.
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  Speaker 1: Get excited, like we want to have ideas that make
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  Speaker 1: you look forward to waking up in the morning, look
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  Speaker 1: forward to the day, look forward to the future, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, so you have to say what what excites
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  Speaker 1: you about the future, What moves your heart about the future,
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  Speaker 1: what makes you say like, yes, I'm glad about what
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  Speaker 1: will happen in the future. That's what we must, you know,
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  Speaker 1: focus on. And that's that's why we have to have
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  Speaker 1: a new generation. We've got to build, and we've got
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  Speaker 1: to grow and and uh, like I said, I understand this,
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  Speaker 1: understand the the the nature of this beautiful universe that
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  Speaker 1: we find ourselves in and the meaning of life or
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  Speaker 1: even what questions to ask about, you know, the meaning
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  Speaker 1: of life. Let us explore this wondrous creation and and
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  Speaker 1: have a good time doing it. Yeah, that's my philosophy.
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  Speaker 4: Let me go back for a little because I want
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  Speaker 4: to ask you about your perception of Europe as a building,
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  Speaker 4: not as people. Because of Europe do a lot of flow,
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  Speaker 4: us won, a lot of integration of cultures, different cultures
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  Speaker 4: and has different approach to the immigration. We heard Meloney
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  Speaker 4: did a lot on that with the Premier rama I
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  Speaker 4: see in the first line of Albania. What do you
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  Speaker 4: think about this approach of Europe approach as a building.
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  Speaker 2: I would say as an established building.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I should say, like to be clear on immigration overall,
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  Speaker 1: I'm very much in favor of legal immigration.
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  Speaker 3: I think that.
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  Speaker 1: Generally, I think which one should welcome to a country,
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  Speaker 1: anyone who is willing to work hard and is honest,
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  Speaker 1: you know, has high integrity, and will add to you know,
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  Speaker 1: any given country. If somebody is an asset to the country,
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  Speaker 1: why not have them drain. That's obviously a great thing
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  Speaker 1: to do. So I think it's good actually to have
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  Speaker 1: an increase in legal immigration and and a simple legal
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  Speaker 1: with paper, with just some some approval process, but with
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  Speaker 1: a simple requirement that look, if somebody is going to
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  Speaker 1: add to a country, like just really hard working and high,
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  Speaker 1: high integrity, let them in.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's great.
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  Speaker 1: But if there's if it's illegal immigration and there's no filter, well,
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  Speaker 1: how do you know who's coming and you don't know,
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  Speaker 1: So you have to have some you know, uh basis
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  Speaker 1: for saying somebody should come in or not come in,
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  Speaker 1: and and and my argument is like it should be
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  Speaker 1: a very simple basis. Will they will they add to
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  Speaker 1: the country, will they be a productive part of the economy, And.
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  Speaker 3: Do they admire the culture? Do they want to join?
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  Speaker 1: Because of the culture, then that's great, but if you know,
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  Speaker 1: if if there's no process for that, then you don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I think you know at least some number of the
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  Speaker 1: people that come in well will not be necessarily And
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  Speaker 1: I want to be careful because my words will be misconstrued.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying all illegal immigrants are are bad. I
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  Speaker 1: think probably perhaps most of them are good, but there
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  Speaker 1: will be some.
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  Speaker 3: If there's no.
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  Speaker 1: Process for reviewing not at all, then how can you
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  Speaker 1: say that everyone who is a legal immigrant is going
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  Speaker 1: to be honest.
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  Speaker 3: And hard working. You can't say that because you simply
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  Speaker 3: don't know.
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  Speaker 1: So I want to be clear, top line pro immigration,
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  Speaker 1: but let's increase legal immigration, but we should stop illegal immigration.
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  Speaker 3: I think this is just logical.
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  Speaker 4: You have a lot of company, so that's right. You
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  Speaker 4: can drink because I want to do the list of
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  Speaker 4: the company. Yeah, you have five to seven minutes to
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  Speaker 4: do that. I mean, I'm joking with space x X
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  Speaker 4: narrow len.
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  Speaker 3: That's already excess. Oh the ex guess what my favorite
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  Speaker 3: letter is.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, it's a good Pleased to invest Italy and it's
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  Speaker 4: a good place. Please to invest some of I mean
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  Speaker 4: not your money, but have some investment from your company,
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  Speaker 4: of the American companies, of the I would say competitive
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  Speaker 4: companies in this place.
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  Speaker 2: What's your opinion?
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  Speaker 1: No, I mean I think Italy is an incredible country,
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  Speaker 1: incredible culture. I love I love visiting, I love the
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  Speaker 1: Italian people. I think you guys are amazing, like.
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  Speaker 3: So tall. Yeah, so so I want, I you know, personally,
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  Speaker 3: I want.
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  Speaker 1: I want to actually I want the prosperity of Italy
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  Speaker 1: and I want the prosperity of every country. I want
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  Speaker 1: the prosperity of humanity as a whole. And like I said,
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  Speaker 1: I want, I have to ask to have an exciting
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  Speaker 1: future where we're fired up about what's going to happen
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  Speaker 1: and really excited. So uh, you know, and I think,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Italy is a great place to invest. It's
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  Speaker 1: a great, great country. And but but I do want
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  Speaker 1: to emphasize that the that I do worry that about
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  Speaker 1: the low birth rate. And you know, if if a
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  Speaker 1: if a company is to invest in Italy, they're like, well,
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  Speaker 1: you have to say, like will there be enough people
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  Speaker 1: to work there? You know, it's a simple question. You know,
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  Speaker 1: if if the workforce is declining, then if the workforce
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  Speaker 1: is declining, then then then then who will work at
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  Speaker 1: the company.
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  Speaker 3: Simple if there's no people, there's no people to work.
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  Speaker 2: I mean in fifty years, but I think it's even
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  Speaker 2: sooner than that though, you know, if we'll be so
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  Speaker 2: worried about that is the problem.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like a total Cassandra here because like I
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  Speaker 1: seem to be worried about it much more than other people.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, they're just needs to be people. If
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  Speaker 1: you don't make a new generation of people, there is
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  Speaker 1: no new generation of people.
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  Speaker 3: So that's it.
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  Speaker 1: And I know I'm I'm being you know, I'm being
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  Speaker 1: repetitive here, but I'm just I'm just trying to state
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  Speaker 1: state backed you know so, and uh.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's a good place to invest.
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  Speaker 1: I no, I agree, it's a good place to invest
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  Speaker 1: and uh and a wonderful country. So please make more Italians,
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  Speaker 1: is what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: You said once that the Internet that is the is
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  Speaker 4: the system is the new I've write down that your
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  Speaker 4: world the nervous system of humanity. What's it's once to
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  Speaker 4: me a long time religence for your artificially, if that
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  Speaker 4: is the nervous system inte artificial intelligence? Was I mean,
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  Speaker 4: use another metaphor.
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  Speaker 1: You asked me, what do I think of artificial intelligence? Obviously, well,
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  Speaker 1: you can think of artificial intelligence as.
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  Speaker 3: This is perhaps the.
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  Speaker 1: Biggest inflection point in intelligence since Homo sapiens. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: artificial intelligence is will be essentially a sort of a new.
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  Speaker 3: Species, or is a new species.
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  Speaker 1: So I think one of the biggest challenges if I
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  Speaker 1: look at say civilizational risk, you know, the risk to
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  Speaker 1: the future of humanity. You know, birth rate is one
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  Speaker 1: of them, if we just don't have kids and dwindle away.
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  Speaker 1: That's one which I've talked a lot about. The other is,
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  Speaker 1: you know, there's always like potentially nuclear war of course,
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  Speaker 1: that kind of thing that an AI is also an
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: existential risk, and we need to be I think we
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: need to be careful with the advent of AI. But
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: it is very much it's very much a double edged sword.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: You can think of AI as kind of like the
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: magic genie. You know that like digital superintelligence will be capable.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Of doing anything anything, pretty much anything, but he doesn't
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: have any consciousness. I'm wondering about that.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, there is a whole question of like what
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: is consciousness in fact? So here's like I always say,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: I've thought a lot about.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: What is consciousness and where does consciousness arise?
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: You know, to say, like, because I think in terms
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: of physics, you know, and at least if physics is true,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: then we go from a start of the universe where
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: things are almost entirely hydrogen.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: And then if you leave the hydrogen.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Out long enough, eventually it coalesces into stars, and then
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: those stars explode and then they recondense, you know, And
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: so like most of the mass in your.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: Body was once at the center of a star, which
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: is kind of wild, billions of years ago.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: And so where where along the lines of hydrogen to
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: human does consciousness arise?
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: You get very serious when you speak about that.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, always a real question.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: If you leave hydrogen out in the it's not long enough,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: it starts talking to itself.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: Here we are hydrogen talking to itself.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: How to deal with that?
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: So if it is so important, how to deal I mean,
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: right lows personal behavior?
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: How to deal with that? I think you intelligence because the.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Process I mean, I think we need to kill keep
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: a close eye on artificial intelligence. I mean I am
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: in favor of some regulatory insight, just so that there's
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: someone can at least be a referee, like if you
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: think of any game, like there's always a referee for
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: a game. For industries that affect the good of the people,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: there's there are regulatory agencies that oversee those industries. Anything
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: that's dangerous is overseen by some kind of referee or regulator.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: I think we should have the same thing for AI,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: just to help ensure that it is beneficial. The good
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: part of AI is that we are headed for a
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: future of abundance. So AI and robotics will mean that
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: there are no shortage of goods and services. There's there
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: will be goods and services. If you can think of it,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: you can have it, basically, So this is a quite
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: profound Like I said, it's the magic genie.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: AI. AI and robotics will get you anything you want.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Now, usually in these sort of fairy tales about magic genies,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: it doesn't turn out so well. You have to be
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: careful what you wish for, even if you wish for
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: our wishes. So it's just something we should be cautious about.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: On the plus side, it will bring many benefits.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Like I said, it will usher in an age of abundance,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: so that the positive scenario of AI is that there's
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: an age of abundance, and there are no shortage of
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: goods and services that any scarcity that is that exists
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: will be only because we define in it to be scuts.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: So and it just seemed to be somewhat of an
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: inevitable thing.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: AI.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: So you know there's that supposedly that that's Chinese saying
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: about may you live in interesting times? Well, I think
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: we currently live in the most interesting of times in
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: all of history right now. So anyway, so my recommendation
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: on AIS, I think we want some kind of regulatory
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: oversight just to make sure.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: That it's beneficial. AI.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Great, we hope.
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: So and what about what the governments like, I mean
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: they are elected by people like Maloney and this government
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: and the other government, they have any risks or what
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: do you think about these challenge for the for the
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: executive of the nations about all these new processes.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm not try to understand the question.
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: What's a risk for the government of these or if
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: you have intelligens, are they any risks?
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: I mean that democracy is finished.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Well, I think there's certainly risk of artificial intelligence affecting
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: voting opinion I suppose, and manipulating public opinion. So I
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: think there's there's some risk of yeah, AI manipulating the public.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: I think that's probably that's the risk of that. So yeah, okay,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: you know, but I think probably, like like I said,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: eighty percent probable that AI is beneficial, harmful something like that.
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: I'm always worried because you know, we have a new
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: government is two years, this government almost two years, and
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: who have a Europe for us is our artificial intelligence.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: It seems like artificial intelligence, but it's not very intelligent
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: sometimes Europe, and so I'm wondering what do you think
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: about the government and about Europe? For us, it's so
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: important the relation. I understand our different intelligence in the future,
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: but in the present we have laws, you know, constraints
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: that comes from Europe.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: What do you think about that? If you have any.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: Opinion that, what do you think about Italian government which
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: is trying to have a position. I would say a position, Meloni,
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: I don't know if there's more than a position. You
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: want need to be more tough than a position.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: It's okay, what do you think it's good to have
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: a position in Europe? To be I mean, I would
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: say different from the main course of European politics.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: You mean like country decisions versus decisions.
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: Or decision about green about the politics immigration.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Of I mean there's a separate question of like I
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: think regulations in Europe there are too many regulations in general.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: I'm not speaking about specific case of AI. I think
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: one could look at this as overall a fundamental function
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: of a stable civilization. The longer that any given civilization
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: is stable and does not have a big war, the
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: more rules and regulations will accumulate over time. So rules, regulations, laws,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: they are immortal, they never die, but people die. So
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: if every year more and more rules, regulations, and laws
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: are added, you will eventually make everything illegal. And you
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: can think of it sort of like Gulliver's travels, where Galiba,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: if the nation is Gulliver, is being tied down by
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: one little regulatory string at a time, and eventually you
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: have millions of strings, and then the giant can't move.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: And so I think there needs to be something where
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: we delete rules, regulations and laws, because if we keep,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: if we simply, if all we do is add them,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: eventually we will be able to do nothing.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: Okay, should I do some questions about your companies? Because
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: here there are all the young people not only the
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: young people from an important Italian party and they most
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: of them use the social network.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: They use X.
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: And I saw in the past days that the CEO
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: of this and they said, I don't want to invest
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: any advertising on X. And he's investing, for example, in
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: the May tie in the Instagram and he said that
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: there are problem.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know which kind of problem they find on
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: what's that? Yeah?
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: What?
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: What's what's going on? And why why an important investor
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: like this? They said something so tough on X? What's
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: going on there?
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Well, I think, first of all, I think X will
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: be will be fine, and we are actually already seeing
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: advertisers return to two X, so I guess they were
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know if set with something I said or
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: something I don't know, but they, you know, advertisers, I
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: think are the brand. Advertisers are a little they're always
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: worried about their brand, and you know, maybe I.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: Think maybe a bit more than they should be. But
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: I think it's a short term issue.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Like I said, the advertisers and sometimes get upset, but
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: then they usually calm down and they return to advertising.
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: So come on, you know that there's a walk virus
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: over there? Well, oh, yes, right to say, I don't
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: want to answer for you.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, no, you're right.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: You're right.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: If we're going to fight the work mind virus, then
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: the work work mind virus will fight back, and unfortunately
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Disney is deeply infected with the work mind virus. In fact,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: if you ask an ai what is the most work
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: company on Earth? It's Disney, you know.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: But and you have to say, what would I mean?
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: I think they should be asking themselves what would Walt
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Disney think of Disney today?
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: I think he's turning in his grave. I think he's
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: not happy. Sure, sure, you know, if the namesake.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Of the company is not happy, that's probably a bad sign.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: You know, because Walt Disney, what did he care about?
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: He cared about bringing joy to people's lives. He put up,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: you know, making wonderful things that children and families can
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: enjoy it. And you know, he was it created some
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: of the coolest, you know, art in the world and
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: stuff that even one hundred years after it's created, we
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: still remember it and it's still it's still a major thing.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: But you have to say, how great was Walt Disney?
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: Was amazing?
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: But now Disney, at least for now is deeply infected
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: with the work mya virus.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: I think that will you know, that will change?
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh I hope.
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: So right at that, the European Commission they're not investing
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: on excer Do you know that maybe they're a.
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: Little they got the work my envirus too.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't care, I think so, you know, And
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: and it's like, why are they importing this this crazy
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: thing from America? You know, It's like it's just some
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: thing that was created basically by sort of far left
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: crazy people in US colleges, and now it's spreading all
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: over the world. And it's it's like, you know, like
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: the thing is the work my Advice. It's it's not
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: a message of joy, it's a it's a message of division.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: It's not a message of love. It's a message of hate.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: And it's like and so I'm like, I'm like, like,
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: you know, let's.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm I'm in favor of like, let's
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: have a future that's got more love more like more
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: and let let us build a fun, exciting future. And
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: and and the work by Advice is all about condemning
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: one group and condemning this condemning that it's like and
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: and and and it's also like just being like it
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: just wants to scold.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: You all the time and and treat you like a
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: you know, I don't know if who wants to be scolded?
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: You know, it's not fun. So anyway, I think we
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: wanna you know, have a like. So I guess at
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: its heart, my concern is that the coin virus is anti.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Civilizational, end of civilization, anti civilization.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: I think it suld.
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: But if it represents a cost for your company, what's
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: you know, you have a trade off between the cost
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: of your position and and the cost for the company.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: What's your choice?
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: And what how much is important in your behavior? The
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: free speech standing, that's the question.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: But I do think free speech is incredibly important because
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: if people cannot speak their minds and then we won't
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: have a democracy. Democracy is the foundation of democracy is
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: freedom of speech.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: But also saying something.
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: Y so and Andrea is laughing at that because he
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: knows that it's so important for you. But tell me
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: more about the free speech because here is very important
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: person here couldn't speech for a lot of people because
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: they were considered with the Mavericks and worse than that,
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: free speech for everybody is important, not just for the
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: person who say the right things erect.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: Exactly, no, no, exactly. Free speech means that the free
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: speech is only relevant.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Free speech is only meaningful when if you allow people
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: you don't like to say things you don't like.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: So that's how you know it's working. That's how you
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: know it's working, because.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Once you start to censor people you don't like saying
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: things you don't like, it's only a matter of time
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: before that censorship turns on you eventually, you know, live.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: By the sword, die by the sword. Live by censorship,
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: die by censorship.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Hey, Giovanni Krushian comminity, coming from.
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: Bloom, I got to see what's.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Even why you spoke about free speech.
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: You're both Twitter for this free speech, just for the
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: free speech, not for the business inside you both.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, well I mean he here's the thing.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: So, you know, I think you have to say, like,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: if civilization is not strong, if civilization doesn't grow, then
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: nothing else matters. You know, profits doesn't matter. If civilization collapses,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: there's there's no profits, there's no you know, we were
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: not we cannot exist absence civilization. So sometimes people may say, like, well,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: is this an altruistic thing. I mean, I think it's
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: for me, it feels altruistic. But even if it's even
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: if one is not altruistic, even if one is very
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: self centered, you have to say, if you simply think
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: long term, you have to be pro civilization because you
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: cannot exist without civilization.
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: How important from zero to ten in the sky? From
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: zero to ten money you are the richest.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Person in the world. How is important money for you?
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: From zero to ten? Zero is the less important, and
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: then that is the good one.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't want to one or two
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: or something.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: Now, come on, no, I mean just one of them.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean the reason I guess I have what
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: so called wealth or it's really just shares in the company,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: is that I've created these companies, you know, in these
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: companies like SpaceX and Tesla.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: Tesla's one hundred and forty thousand.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Jobs direct wide, and five times that number, maybe maybe
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: almost a million jobs when you look at the whole
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: supply chain is what tells us created. And then SpaceX
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: is is about fifteen thousand people. And also you know,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: like maybe full total supply chain fifteen thousand people. So
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I basically with the help of
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: many talented people built these companies and then the circle
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: These wealth statistics simply they simply add up what the
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: ownership is in the companies and say, okay, this is
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: a certain amount of money, but I don't actually have
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: that in money, I have it in stock. Just it's
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: just it said that the companies have succeeded.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: But how was the last loanch of the SpaceX?
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: That me something last question, please Jomini the last lounch,
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: I see that are sitting on the floor. Why are
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: you sitting on the floor? Are you worried about the highness?
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: How was the last launch? Was you were optimist about
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: your space X?
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: The yeah, so we'll Starship.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: So the exciting thing about Starship is that it's the
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: first rocket design that could make life multiplanetary, that could
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: enable a self sustaining base on the Moon and a
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: city on Mars. So because it is it's not just
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: a very large vehicle, but it is designed for full
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: and rapid reusability, So that would lower the cost of
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: access to space by I don't know, maybe one hundred
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: or more. And so, and basically it's the it's the
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: first rocket that is capable of building a base on
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: Mars and a base on the Moon.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: Yes, that's that's that's yeah. So you know, you know,
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: there's the.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: The great Italian physicist Enrico Fermi. I'm a big admirer
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: of Furmi, and he had he was very good at
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: asking profound questions. And one of his questions, which is
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: called the Fermi paradox, is where are the aliens? And
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: one of the explanations is that, And perhaps I think
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: the one that I think is most appears to be
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: most accurate is that consciousness is extremely rare. That it's
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: you know, we people often ask me, have I do
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: I know about aliens or something like that, you know,
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: asked that a lot. And the crazy thing is that
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: I've seen no evidence of aliens whatsoever. This this means
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: that I think, most likely, at least in this part
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: of the galaxy, we are the only consciousness that exists.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: And so you can think of human consciousness really as
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: like a tiny candle in a vast to darkness, and
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: we must do everything we can to ensure that the
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: candle does not go out.
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: That's great.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: We can finish with that. We can finish with that.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Even okay, we can finish with this, and so, so.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: It's worth reading about the Fermi paradox, and because people
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: have thought very hard about.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: This, because there are these because one of the things
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: is like, well maybe they.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Are these great filters, and and and and these civilizations
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: don't pass these filters.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: One of the filters is do we become a multiplanet
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: species or not.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: If we do not become a multiplanet species, then eventually,
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: at some point something will happen to the planet. Either
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: it will be uh man made or it will be
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: something natural, like a media or like whatever killed the dinosaurs,
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: for example. And then eventually the sun will actually expand
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: and we'll destroy all life on Earth.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: So if one cares about life on Earth at all, we.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Should care about becoming a multiplanet species and eventually going
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: out there and becoming a multi stellar species and having
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: many star systems. You know, we want the exciting parts
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: of science fiction to not be fiction forever. We want
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: to make them real.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: And yeah, great, thanks for listening.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: See you in the next episode.