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Ep. 226 - Uprooting “Christless Conservatism” · The Living Waters Podcast

1:05
Jon Root: I think we need to understand that we can't put any idol above Christ.
1:08
Jon Root: That's what people are doing.
1:10
Jon Root: There's an idol problem and then we're seeing that now with Trump.
1:13
Jon Root: Like Trump, we would all agree, had some good policies, the way he went about things in his personal life and his personality, that's not really just going to jive with Christianity in the way that we're called to be as Christians.
1:25
Jon Root: But we do say, like some of those policies made America thrive.
1:30
Jon Root: We love that.
1:32
Jon Root: The justices he put in again for pro-life, we can accept that and say that was a good thing.
1:37
Jon Root: But I think it just comes down to being an idol problem.
1:41
Jon Root: And right now people I think especially too, we're seeing younger people that they don't recognize what is evil and what is good because they're biblically illiterate.
1:51
Jon Root: So there's going to be times, unfortunately, if you don't know what is good and what is evil based off Scripture, you're going to team up with a lesser evil to feel like you can do some sort of eternal good, and that's why you're seeing young people be so attracted to people like Andrew Tate.
2:08
Jon Root: They're going to see some of these clips and it's like, yes, this strong guy, he's ripped, he's got money, he's got girls and he's talking about non-woke stuff.
2:19
Jon Root: It's so eternally empty.
2:21
Jon Root: He's basically just a non-woke Dan Bilzerian.
2:23
Jon Root: And then when it comes to politics outside of that, in this political sphere each side is corrupt.
2:34
Emeal Zwayne: Would you or would you not accept $5 million to allow a skunk to live in your house for a whole year?
2:44
Emeal Zwayne: Of course, absolutely, and it's not deskunk.
2:49
Mark Spence: That's crazy.
2:49
Mark Spence: What are you?
2:50
Emeal Zwayne: a $35 million.
2:52
Ray Comfort: Yes, because you get used to the smell.
2:53
Ray Comfort: That's what the smell does.
2:54
Ray Comfort: It just gets used to it.
2:56
Mark Spence: And you have to leave your house, Ray.
2:59
Oscar Navarro: Well, I'd imagine that it would only be terrible for a few weeks, and then you'd become friends with it.
3:04
Ray Comfort: Yeah, I was going to say you're just nice to the skunk feed it and say, okay, I'm not going to do that anymore.
3:09
Mark Spence: I love the idea of a deskunk skunk Ray.
3:10
Mark Spence: You had that idea many years ago.
3:11
Ray Comfort: I wanted to get one.
3:12
Ray Comfort: California doesn't allow it.
3:12
Ray Comfort: You can have abortions when you're a kid, but not allowed a skunk in your home.
3:15
Ray Comfort: Ray, are you sure?
3:17
Ray Comfort: Yes, well, find out.
3:18
Ray Comfort: And you find it's different?
3:19
Ray Comfort: I'll get one.
3:20
Emeal Zwayne: If the law changed, you'd get one.
3:21
Emeal Zwayne: Now I'd love to With Lucy in the house.
3:24
Ray Comfort: Yeah and Sue yeah.
3:26
Ray Comfort: Well, they wouldn't last long.
3:27
Ray Comfort: I think it'd be a wonderful evangelistic tool, seriously.
3:33
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, I wonder what the plan was in the Lord creating the skunk.
3:38
Mark Spence: So you had the choice of the deskunk skunk or Lucy on the front of your bike.
3:41
Mark Spence: There I choose Lucy.
3:42
Ray Comfort: I've become friends with her.
3:43
Mark Spence: I'm not saying get rid of Lucy.
3:45
Ray Comfort: No, I just she looks forward to going on it and she just she does what Sam never did.
3:50
Ray Comfort: She turns around and looks at me while we're riding along, just like this is so cool and I just love it.
3:57
Ray Comfort: She does, yeah, turns completely around.
3:59
Ray Comfort: You can have a skunk in Oregon and in Florida.
4:02
Ray Comfort: Yeah, I know let's go.
4:04
Ray Comfort: Okay, I lost him.
4:05
Ray Comfort: Why did you move to Florida?
4:07
Ray Comfort: Skunks.
4:08
Emeal Zwayne: They got skunks 24 skunks or the skunks touching us 24 skunks.
4:15
Ray Comfort: Oh, skunks laid eggs.
4:15
Ray Comfort: Oh, that would be wonderful.
4:19
Emeal Zwayne: Ray would have his dream fulfilled.
4:21
Emeal Zwayne: Skigs, skagigs, yeah.
4:23
Emeal Zwayne: But seriously though, I think, ray, if you took a skunk on the basket on your bike, I didn't have a basket on my bike, do not even minch Basket.
4:36
Ray Comfort: Can you give me a three wheeler bike to go with my basket, with the little blocks for the wheels?
4:40
Ray Comfort: Seriously, that hurt my side.
4:40
Ray Comfort: I'd love to take a skunk onto a plane.
4:45
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, you could.
4:45
Emeal Zwayne: What therapy skunk.
4:46
Ray Comfort: Yeah, wait, what do they call?
4:47
Ray Comfort: Those Dogs Support dogs, yeah, therapy dogs, or whatever Therapy dogs.
4:51
Ray Comfort: You could let it go after you've taken off therapy skunk.
4:55
Emeal Zwayne: Ray, don't you think seriously, though if you took a skunk on your bike, you'd get more people coming up and in the dog.
5:00
Emeal Zwayne: I don't think so.
5:00
Ray Comfort: Not many people, like those ladies who went when I went past it wouldn't do that with a skunk, yeah, but I think they'd be fascinated, I don't know Lama.
5:08
Ray Comfort: No like young people might be.
5:11
Emeal Zwayne: Lama on your bike Lama.
5:16
Mark Spence: Lamas are fascinating Tire tackle.
5:18
Mark Spence: Loss of wrapper.
5:20
Ray Comfort: Unlike ostriches, because of the size eggs they lay.
5:22
Ray Comfort: But you used to have one in your house, not an ostrich, it was an ostrich egg.
5:26
Ray Comfort: They lay an omelet.
5:27
Ray Comfort: Yeah, they lay an omelet, they seriously no, but those eggs are like super hard.
5:32
Ray Comfort: No, they mean the shells, the shell.
5:35
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, the eggs.
5:36
Emeal Zwayne: What's in the inside?
5:36
Emeal Zwayne: No, you can't just crack it, you have to use it like a rock or something.
5:39
Emeal Zwayne: Right?
5:39
Emeal Zwayne: The eggs were a lie, stephen.
5:40
Ray Comfort: No, no, if it's empty they do crack, if they're on end, you can actually stand on them if you want to, if you can, they're pretty strong Really.
5:46
Ray Comfort: Yeah, you should try it right.
5:48
Emeal Zwayne: All right, friends, wait now, I was going to say something else.
5:51
Emeal Zwayne: 25 ostriches.
5:53
Emeal Zwayne: That'd be great, I was going to ask you for $100,000.
5:54
Emeal Zwayne: You'd let a cat live in your house for its entire natural life.
5:58
Emeal Zwayne: Forget it.
6:01
Ray Comfort: I like cats, I do, they're okay.
6:04
Mark Spence: Mark, I absolutely love cats.
6:11
Emeal Zwayne: But you can't eat a whole one.
6:12
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, that's the punchline.
6:14
Emeal Zwayne: All right, friends Comet.
6:17
Emeal Zwayne: This is from TOT TOT TOT.
6:21
Emeal Zwayne: This is a sad face, awesome.
6:25
Ray Comfort: Why did they speak to me?
6:26
Emeal Zwayne: Hi, I'm Hayak.
6:26
Emeal Zwayne: It's nice to be able to go to bed or to eat breakfast and listen to a holy funny podcast.
6:32
Emeal Zwayne: Keep at it, guys.
6:35
Mark Spence: Are you learning how to read English?
6:37
Ray Comfort: I was just going to say that I don't know why I can't read.
6:40
Ray Comfort: It's because we've done nine.
6:41
Ray Comfort: Keep at it, guys.
6:42
Emeal Zwayne: No, you are looked up to by me and others, no longer for my reading skills.
6:46
Emeal Zwayne: No, I have an idea.
6:46
Mark Spence: Why don't you just read these beforehand to see where they're going, and then you just read it, Ray.
6:51
Oscar Navarro: is that the first time anyone's ever said they looked up to you?
6:52
Oscar Navarro: Good idea, yes, PS.
6:55
Emeal Zwayne: my name is hard to say so it's fine if you get it wrong.
6:56
Emeal Zwayne: I think this might be the second comment from them, but I thought I read one with that name.
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Emeal Zwayne: Anyways, it's okay to be wrong.
7:01
Emeal Zwayne: All right, friends.
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Emeal Zwayne: This podcast is brought to you by.
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Emeal Zwayne: Think on these things.
7:07
Emeal Zwayne: Devotional by Raymond Comfort Ray you like that?
7:13
Ray Comfort: No, I don't like Raymond.
7:14
Ray Comfort: That's what atheists call me in sarcasm Raymond.
7:20
Ray Comfort: That was just Raymond.
7:20
Ray Comfort: It does sound sophisticated, though.
7:23
Ray Comfort: No, I don't think so.
7:23
Ray Comfort: We should change it, isn't it already?
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Ray Comfort: That's just my full name.
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Ray Comfort: I don't care about the Mond, I don't care Mond.
7:34
Mark Spence: Did your parents ever call you by your first and middle name when they were really upset?
7:37
Mark Spence: No, my dad was named.
7:39
Ray Comfort: Ray, what's your middle name?
7:40
Ray Comfort: Marshall, marshall, I'm a holder of the law.
7:43
Ray Comfort: I'm Marshall, wow.
7:44
Ray Comfort: I was going to say that but I didn't know if you wanted it out there.
7:48
Ray Comfort: Yeah, I like it out there.
7:49
Ray Comfort: I didn't mind, I was embarrassed, but I'm not.
7:51
Mark Spence: Well, it's because it's your password for everything.
7:56
Emeal Zwayne: There goes today's information.
7:58
Emeal Zwayne: That's fine.
7:58
Emeal Zwayne: All right, friends, don't forget the Living Waters mug and have it at StudyBibleLivingWaterscom.
8:03
Emeal Zwayne: All right, g3 journey continues.
8:08
Emeal Zwayne: I hope you're not sick of this, friends.
8:10
Emeal Zwayne: If you are.
8:11
Emeal Zwayne: If you are, you've got a problem.
8:13
Emeal Zwayne: We interviewed 11 of our friends and those of you watching this, by the way, yeah, we did not change.
8:18
Ray Comfort: Couldn't you just done a living on a panel all at once?
8:21
Emeal Zwayne: That would have been something that would have been long, but anyway, yeah, and for those of you watching, yeah, we kept the same wardrobe because we topped and tailed all of these in one setting.
8:29
Emeal Zwayne: What are you smelling right now?
8:32
Emeal Zwayne: Sweaty shoes, Lots of sweat for this.
8:36
Emeal Zwayne: All right, we had with us on this episode our friend John Root and great guy bold huh.
8:44
Mark Spence: Mark, yeah, listen, he's under fire all the time.
8:47
Mark Spence: He does a lot of kind of sports, commentating things of that nature.
8:51
Mark Spence: He's in that sports realm.
8:53
Mark Spence: How about us fit Wearing a sweatshirt underneath the sports coat?
8:57
Mark Spence: I like that.
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Mark Spence: You said fit.
8:59
Oscar Navarro: I knew you were going to comment on that.
9:01
Mark Spence: Let me throw something other that Oscar's going to comment on.
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Mark Spence: But he's able to.
9:04
Mark Spence: I can't pull that out because I have like three inch pythons, but the guys have got like really big biceps.
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Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, yeah, really great guy.
9:11
Emeal Zwayne: Anyway, friends, he's going to talk to us about uprooting Christless conservatism.
9:16
Emeal Zwayne: Ooh, very interesting.
9:18
Emeal Zwayne: We like that.
9:19
Emeal Zwayne: Uprooting John Root, alrighty.
9:22
Oscar Navarro: Yeah.
9:23
Emeal Zwayne: I didn't even do that on purpose, but it worked out All right.
9:25
Emeal Zwayne: Friends, without any further ado, here is John Root Friends.
9:31
Emeal Zwayne: We do so many controversial things in and through Living Waters and on the Living Waters podcast.
9:37
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, we do.
9:38
Emeal Zwayne: And so today we thought we'd bring in a very passive, mellow, non-controversial dude, and so we thought who else but John Root?
9:50
Emeal Zwayne: John Root, we're blessed to have you, brother.
9:54
Emeal Zwayne: Thanks for joining us in the midst of your busy schedule here.
9:57
Emeal Zwayne: Yes, friends, still at G3, as you could tell, and we've been watching you interview one person after the other, like right in the middle of the walkway, everyone's going.
10:07
Emeal Zwayne: You got an audience sitting there.
10:08
Emeal Zwayne: So, brother, we're blessed to have you.
10:10
Emeal Zwayne: And for those who don't know John Root, he's an independent content creator, writer and speaker who covers a bunch of things Faith, sports, culture, all that.
10:19
Emeal Zwayne: How's your boring life going, bro?
10:21
Jon Root: Oh, it's just like just kind of yawn being here.
10:25
Jon Root: There's not a lot going on.
10:27
Jon Root: It's kind of good to see you guys.
10:28
Jon Root: Such a low energy guy yeah just like no spicy conversations, not bringing up the mark triskles of the world with Phil Johnson or anything like that.
10:38
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, I can't say that there was Phil.
10:40
Emeal Zwayne: I'm like there's danger right there.
10:42
Emeal Zwayne: You bring Phil in, you got danger.
10:44
Jon Root: Before you interview somebody and they're like ask me anything, shall, we, shall, we Bring it on.
10:51
Mark Spence: I think your nickname should really be BB, like Bridge Burner, because you have like a flamethrower, that as you go it seems like everybody knows you were there, but it's not enough, right?
11:00
Mark Spence: It seems like you get into a conversation with, like, candace Owens or whoever may be.
11:05
Mark Spence: It's like no, I don't know if you really heard what we were saying here.
11:08
Mark Spence: I'm okay with whatever takeaway you're going to have, as long as you understand my position here and I want my audience to understand what you're really all about.
11:18
Mark Spence: And that's what I might take away from you is really listen, do we understand what's happening in the room right now?
11:25
Mark Spence: Right, we're just going to allow them to get away with that, let's not.
11:30
Mark Spence: And you're not out to beat a dead horse, right?
11:32
Mark Spence: I mean, it's just like I just want to make sure that everybody understands what's going on.
11:36
Jon Root: All right, then I'll move on to the next and then the big thing we're seeing now too, is that conservative media there's a lot of like oh, I'm just going to be outraged, outraged culture all the time.
11:45
Jon Root: I hope that people don't see my content like that, but when you're referencing the chosen controversy like that was something that just was massive in these Christian circles and when you have someone like Candace Owens, I mean most of the time I don't really feel I have to defend myself with a bunch of trolls on Twitter or other people that are just saying nasty things that I mean you can say anything to me at this point, it's really not going to hurt me.
12:11
Jon Root: But when you have someone like Candace Owens, it basically doesn't.
12:14
Jon Root: Basically did lie about me, lied about the whole situation, didn't have journalistic integrity about the way she shared the chosen controversy.
12:22
Jon Root: I'm going to come out and say, hey, this is not about gay.
12:26
Jon Root: People can't work on a Christian production.
12:29
Mark Spence: I never said that and we had a film, a Dacity in our lead role, his, he said his best friend, was homosexual.
12:36
Mark Spence: This guy was not a Christian.
12:37
Mark Spence: He was the best person for the position, that which we casted him for.
12:43
Mark Spence: So we put him in there.
12:44
Mark Spence: Not a Christian playing a Christian inside of the film, ended up becoming a Christian inside the film.
12:48
Mark Spence: But you're not against that.
12:50
Mark Spence: You're not against secularists playing inside of a Christian production.
12:54
Jon Root: And then that's.
12:54
Jon Root: The thing too is like hopefully you realize that that's a ministry.
12:57
Jon Root: You see that person there and then they have homosexual friends.
13:01
Jon Root: Obviously that doesn't mean that that makes them sinful based on somebody else's sin.
13:06
Jon Root: But if you freely allow sin to not just be talked about but displayed on the set of a show, supposedly about honoring the authentic Christ, that's the real conversation.
13:17
Jon Root: Are you actually reaching out to them and telling them this is what the authentic Jesus looks like?
13:22
Jon Root: I don't believe that it's actually represented in that show and a lot of people.
13:25
Jon Root: I said this that got people riled up me.
13:28
Jon Root: Getting people riled up strange is like I think you believe in the inerrancy of the chosen more than you believe in the inerrancy of the scripture.
13:35
Mark Spence: Take us back for a moment.
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Mark Spence: What was the controversy?
13:38
Mark Spence: What was it that?
13:38
Mark Spence: You saw that took place.
13:40
Oscar Navarro: I'm going to do that because I'm not really a social media guy, so I have no idea what any of you are talking about right now.
13:44
Emeal Zwayne: by the way, let's back up first before we jump into that, because I have a few things I want us to deal with.
13:47
Emeal Zwayne: But give us context to man, what you do, what's caused all this stuff that people are just hearing about for the first time?
13:53
Emeal Zwayne: Oh, I just create controversy, that's it.
13:55
Jon Root: No, I'm sure there's people listening who are like what does?
13:58
Emeal Zwayne: this guy actually do.
13:59
Jon Root: All right, I'm obviously an independent content creator and I was in sports media for almost a decade.
14:05
Jon Root: I was a host and reporter.
14:06
Jon Root: I was super lucky to work in sports and I still cover sports right now on YouTube, instagram and X right now, just covering the cultural side of these conversations within sports.
14:17
Jon Root: Like something I shared that popped off on X over the last few days is the Carolina Panthers have a transgender cheerleader.
14:24
Jon Root: The first transgender cheerleader in the NFL is coming back for the second season and that cheerleader ended up reaching out to me and there were some hateful comments.
14:32
Jon Root: Sometimes we need to have better political discourse, cultural discourse and faith discourse that if you're just going to throw blows in the comment section, you're not really changing hearts, you're not changing souls.
14:45
Jon Root: But I had that cheerleader reach out to me in the comments and basically said I feel comfortable with who I am.
14:52
Jon Root: I can look at myself in the mirror and we all just need to represent God inside and out and I'm like hold on, you're bringing God into this conversation.
15:00
Jon Root: Let me go ahead and reach out to you with the truth in love, because your teammates aren't telling you that, your organization's not telling you that and the world's not telling you that.
15:08
Jon Root: And then I have a YouTube channel.
15:09
Jon Root: I'm trying to grow a little bit, covering more of the political side of things filtered through scripture, because I think right now too I know we're going to touch on it is I'm trying to harp on the dangers of Christless conservatism and how many people think that if you just vote for the right person or you're affiliated with the right party, that that can save you and that will be the savior of the country.
15:30
Jon Root: And when I cover those things, especially as an independent content creator, writing about it, talking about in front of a camera, hopefully it creates more conversation and it's unique and it's something that leads to people hopefully understanding that our faith needs to be in Christ.
15:44
Jon Root: Everything needs to be filtered through scripture.
15:46
Emeal Zwayne: So let's get into that Christless conservatism that's associated with what Mark mentioned, the whole thing with Candice Owens and other things that chosen and all that.
15:56
Emeal Zwayne: But specifically on that, what do you mean by that Christless conservatism?
16:01
Jon Root: We have a lot of people that are claiming Christ and they aren't actually living for Christ and a lot of people feel as Christians.
16:07
Jon Root: Well, I'm not supposed to judge A lot of people.
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Jon Root: Are the nominal Christians, very cultural Christians?
16:13
Jon Root: It's like no Jesus told us how to judge, yeah, and also seeing that judgment as accountability.
16:18
Jon Root: So when we have Congresswomen that are going out and dressing scantily clad while still going through a divorce process with their husband, they are in public and they're getting groped and they're also groping somebody and then they're just trying to avoid the situation and then they kind of have a half-hearted apology.
16:37
Jon Root: And then you have a former president that's trying to compromise on the abortion issue and calling anybody that has a heartbeat bill because of Roe v Wade being overturned because of the judges that he had in there.
16:50
Jon Root: He's calling those people and that legislation terrible.
16:53
Jon Root: And then you also have other politicians that are speaking at these prayer breakfasts and these prayer events and trying to say you know what I told my living boyfriend like no sex this morning, maybe later.
17:06
Jon Root: I got to go to this prayer thing and that's where we're seeing so much from these politicians, from these parties.
17:11
Jon Root: And I think the main thing is people are so politicized and they just feel conservatism will save this country so eternally empty.
17:24
Jon Root: Yes, we can do some moral things.
17:26
Jon Root: We can agree with that and you guys go in the field all across the country and you talk to people that are really set in this moralism and I feel like that's all that is.
17:36
Jon Root: You're not going to go up to heaven and hear from a guy like well done, good and faithful conservative.
17:40
Jon Root: You're going to hear well done, good and faithful service, that's good.
17:43
Oscar Navarro: Man, one of the best political science books that I've ever read.
17:47
Oscar Navarro: And if you're going to read Run One, which some people will be like, why would I read One that sounds boring?
17:51
Oscar Navarro: If you were going to read One, it would be Political Visions and Illusions, and in that book, what he does is he goes through each political ideology and he shows how each of them has their own.
18:04
Oscar Navarro: What happens is that we, as idol makers, turn political ideologies into functional saviors, and he shows how we apply the same gospel narrative to our political ideologies.
18:15
Oscar Navarro: So he says if you listen closely to libertarianism, traditional libertarianism, modern liberalism, conservatism, on and on and on what he says, if you listen close enough, you will hear a creation, fall, redemption, restoration story within them.
18:30
Oscar Navarro: This is where we were, this is how we can get back to utopia, this is how we can make America great again.
18:36
Oscar Navarro: All of these ideologies have a air quote gospel narrative hidden within them, and what ends up happening is that we buy in them and they become our functional savior.
18:48
Oscar Navarro: And so I guess the question is how do we recognizing that we need to participate in the political sphere and partner with political ideologies for the sake of good?
18:58
Oscar Navarro: How do we do that, while maintaining our focus and our allegiance to Christ and Christ alone.
19:04
Jon Root: Well, I think we need to understand that we can't put any idol above Christ.
19:08
Jon Root: That's what people are doing.
19:09
Jon Root: There's an idol problem and then we're seeing that now with Trump.
19:13
Jon Root: Like Trump, we would all agree, had some good policies, the way he went about things in his personal life and his personality, that's not really just going to jive with Christianity in the way that we're called to be as Christians.
19:26
Jon Root: But we do say, like some of those policies made America thrive, we love that.
19:32
Jon Root: The justices he put in again for pro-life, we can accept that and say that was a good thing.
19:37
Jon Root: But I think it just comes down to being an idol problem.
19:41
Jon Root: And right now people I think especially to we're seeing younger people that they don't recognize what is evil and what is good because they're biblically illiterate.
19:51
Jon Root: So there's going to be times, unfortunately, if you don't know what is good and what is evil based off Scripture, you're going to team up with a lesser evil to feel like you can do some sort of eternal good, and that's why you're seeing young people be so attracted to people like Andrew Tate.
20:08
Jon Root: They're going to see some of these clips and it's like, yes, this strong guy, he's ripped, he's got money, he's got girls and he's talking about non-woke stuff.
20:19
Jon Root: It's so eternally empty.
20:20
Jon Root: He's basically just a non-woke Dan Bilzerian.
20:23
Jon Root: And then, when it comes to politics outside of that, in this political sphere, each side is corrupt, each side is godless.
20:30
Jon Root: But there's too many people that feel like, oh man, it's so corrupt, it's so godless Like I can't really hold them to that standard.
20:36
Jon Root: No, if they claim Christ, the standard is Christ and we can hold them accountable and we can call them out.
20:43
Jon Root: And I'm sick and tired of media members that are bought and paid for, that are silent about these issues, especially when it comes to the pre-born.
20:51
Jon Root: I don't care how you feel about Donald Trump, you have to call that out, and if you don't call it out now, we're going to compromise more and we're not even really going to recognize conservatism a decade from now.
21:07
Emeal Zwayne: And I wanted to ask you this, john, because there seems to be a hypocrisy, and a lot of times conservatives they'll point this out with liberals and they'll say, oh, they'll just give that guy a pass because he's a liberal like them, and so they won't really talk about the horrendous things they've done.
21:24
Emeal Zwayne: And it seems like that's what's happening in conservatism as long as he's a conservative, he's got a pass, no big deal, and they're almost Christianizing everybody.
21:32
Emeal Zwayne: He's a conservative, oh yeah, he's great.
21:34
Emeal Zwayne: But seriously, we have people like Ben Shapiro great guy, he says a lot of great things, but they almost act like, yeah, well, he knows God, no, he doesn't.
21:43
Emeal Zwayne: You take people like Glenn Beck conservative, lots of great stuff that he says, but there are people that almost join, link arms with him, like, oh, he's a Christian.
21:53
Emeal Zwayne: I mean, it's heartbreaking.
21:57
Emeal Zwayne: So what's going on with that?
22:00
Jon Root: Well, I think this is when we go to statistics and we got to understand the amount of people that actually have a biblical worldview.
22:06
Jon Root: The Barna group out in Arizona, where I lived, did a great study about how many self-proclaimed Christian adults actually have a biblical worldview.
22:16
Jon Root: They said it is about 6% and it could be as low as 4% 3 or 4%, which is crazy.
22:24
Jon Root: And then they said a biblical worldview.
22:26
Jon Root: I'm pretty sure I remember this correctly.
22:28
Jon Root: I agree with about 80% of the Bible and a line with about 80% of the Bible.
22:32
Jon Root: So people, again, they don't understand the Word of God.
22:36
Jon Root: They're gonna be like well, I mean, they seem to be wearing the same jersey as maybe they seem to be on the same team.
22:41
Jon Root: Steve Dace is someone that I think has done an incredible job.
22:44
Jon Root: He works at the Blaze.
22:45
Jon Root: Over the past few months I've been listening to him calling this kind of stuff out is we know that liberalism is so godless, but we have conservatism that's been packaged in this godly wrapping and this nice bow that's like oh, that looks good.
23:02
Jon Root: So Glenbeck's on our team, dennis Prager's on our team, ben Shapiro's on our team, michael Knowles is on our team and great people doing incredible stuff for the conservative movement moral stuff that they're talking about.
23:12
Jon Root: But there's going to be a compromise and there's going to be a misdirection.
23:16
Jon Root: Because they don't believe in the same God, they don't believe in the same Jesus, they don't believe in the same gospel.
23:20
Oscar Navarro: That Barna study.
23:21
Oscar Navarro: What it did was it took a evangelical self-proclaimed evangelicals that are active voters, and it said can you agree to these five things?
23:29
Oscar Navarro: It was that you attend and are a member of a church, that you read the Bible daily, that conversion is important for your salvation, that sharing your faith with others is apparent and the inerrancy of Scripture.
23:42
Oscar Navarro: And out of the 100,000 or whatever evangelicals they surveyed, only 3% could agree to those five things, which tells you that there's a disparity between self-proclaimed evangelicalism and Bible-believing Christians.
23:57
Oscar Navarro: Let me point this out, because in no way are we saying we can't fully agree or even work with people who are non-believers.
24:04
Oscar Navarro: You've named a few.
24:05
Jon Root: Oh yeah, there's a co-beligerence there, no doubt.
24:08
Oscar Navarro: And I think that we see this especially when the Jews were exiled in Babylon.
24:13
Oscar Navarro: The call to them was to work for the good of the city, but to remember that this is not your home.
24:22
Oscar Navarro: And so what you see, especially with the prophets of the new and the Old Testament, what you see is often the prophets will speak against the politicians and work alongside the politicians, and they were persecuted.
24:35
Oscar Navarro: Another one's like nobody knew what to do with the early, like no one knew what to do with Israel in Babylon.
24:40
Oscar Navarro: No one knew what to do with the early church in Rome, because they would partner on some things and call you out on others and they just didn't fit the cultural narratives.
24:50
Oscar Navarro: And I think that's what we're getting at here.
24:52
Oscar Navarro: We can say yes and amen to something that Dennis Prager says.
24:57
Oscar Navarro: We can come alongside and partner with people to vote for a moral law that will be good for the unborn, but we also cannot forget that our first allegiance is to Christ, and he calls us to stand for truth, even against people that are on our side.
25:16
Jon Root: And then I think if people started reading Daniel, they would start to understand that they don't need to assimilate to the world, because that's what's happening Now.
25:25
Jon Root: We're foreigners in this land right now.
25:29
Jon Root: As Christians, we're exiles in this land, and so many people are just assimilating.
25:34
Jon Root: So that's where we try to figure out what hills do we die on?
25:38
Jon Root: So someone like Daniel he allowed his name to be changed.
25:42
Jon Root: That was not the hill that he was going to die on, but when they said, hey, eat this food, I'm not going to do that.
25:49
Jon Root: I'm still going to honor my God.
25:50
Jon Root: Do not pray.
25:53
Jon Root: No, I can't stop praying.
25:55
Jon Root: There was hills that he was going to die on and that changed the heart of the King, and then it inspired an incredible amount of people.
26:04
Jon Root: And then, obviously, there's so many invisible idols.
26:07
Jon Root: Now we're going to see those photos and paintings and renderings of what that would have looked like the idols in Babylon.
26:13
Jon Root: We have idols that aren't so plain to see, but we're being asked to bow down to.
26:20
Jon Root: And a lot of people are just saying, all right, well, I'm just going to kind of take a knee right here right now.
26:25
Jon Root: I hope that not a lot of people are looking around and then hopefully I won't be held accountable for this.
26:31
Jon Root: It's like no, you have to speak to God, you don't have to speak to your neighbor or your family member when you're going up to the gates.
26:39
Emeal Zwayne: Well, you know, I love how, in Daniel 1.8, it says about Daniel, after the children of the nobility from Judah were taken captive by Nebuchadnezzar.
26:46
Emeal Zwayne: It says he purposed in his heart that he would not defile himself with the portion of the king's delicacies, nor with the wine which he drank.
26:54
Emeal Zwayne: He purposed in his heart and then took an extraordinary step to where it's like, yeah, give us some vegetables and water will be, will be fine.
27:01
Emeal Zwayne: I mean, talk about trust in the Lord.
27:03
Emeal Zwayne: And that's so, contrary to what's happening today Shadrach, meshach and Abednego, or Hananiah, michelle and Azariah, right to buy their godly names.
27:11
Emeal Zwayne: You know, they look at Nebuchadnezzar when he tells them bow or burn and they say we have no need to answer you concerning this matter.
27:19
Emeal Zwayne: Okay, you know, their commitment to God was predetermined and it was non-negotiable.
27:24
Emeal Zwayne: We don't, we didn't even have to talk about this because they were with Daniel when they didn't, you know, partake of the delicacies and drink of the wine, but it's because they believed in the power of God.
27:33
Emeal Zwayne: They banked on the providence of God.
27:36
Emeal Zwayne: Our God, whom we serve, is able to deliver us.
27:38
Emeal Zwayne: They knew his power.
27:39
Mark Spence: They banked on his providence.
27:40
Emeal Zwayne: But if not, we still won't bow.
27:42
Emeal Zwayne: And it's because they basked in the person of God, they knew our God, whom we serve, so they were able to stand.
27:49
Jon Root: And another thing I think we need to realize is Jesus called John the Baptist maybe the greatest human honor other than him and he did not get to see the fruits of his labor.
28:02
Jon Root: Head got cut off.
28:04
Jon Root: He spoke out against the king, against the authorities, and he was killed for it.
28:10
Jon Root: And that's what I think we need to understand is here in Western civilization, we don't really know what persecution looks like.
28:17
Jon Root: Are we going to be killed for our faith?
28:20
Jon Root: I don't recognize that here in the States.
28:23
Jon Root: Yeah, we're going to get persecuted with some filthy comments online, we're going to lose jobs, we're going to lose friends and family.
28:29
Jon Root: But if we start recognizing that example, saying that we need to speak truth to power, with faith, with biblical truth, that we might be persecuted and our following's gone, our platform's gone, but thank God, we were faithful to him and his word and hopefully that inspires the next generation family member, friend or whoever it may be.
28:50
Jon Root: Amen.
28:51
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, and you know, mark, I love that.
28:52
Emeal Zwayne: You mentioned that John, about John the Baptist.
28:55
Emeal Zwayne: But when you look at Hebrews 11, the Hall of Faith, it talks about all the things they went through.
29:01
Emeal Zwayne: I mean, some of them, what sawn, sawn of Sunder right, and it says they didn't realize the promise, but they're the ones of whom the world was not worthy and yet they stood, they didn't bound.
29:19
Mark Spence: You know, there's been more martyrs in this last, the last hundred years, then all the previous centuries combined, you think of?
29:25
Mark Spence: Recently, in Egypt, there were 21 Coptic Christians who were beheaded because they claimed the name of Christ.
29:31
Mark Spence: Not even because they were Christians right, we would have a strong disagreement concerning their theology, but they just claim the name of Christ.
29:39
Mark Spence: You know, scripture says all who desire to live Godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution.
29:43
Mark Spence: It doesn't say all who are.
29:45
Mark Spence: If you just desire to Right, there's a bullseye upon you.
29:49
Mark Spence: Now put yourself in the front lines, say that hey, I'm ready and willing to march.
29:53
Mark Spence: I understand this is not a playground, this is a battleground.
29:56
Mark Spence: This is a battlefield, not a playing field.
29:58
Mark Spence: So I'm going forward and I forget who we were talking about it with yesterday.
30:04
Mark Spence: But the average modern day Christian today is like a Easter chocolate bunny that he melts under the pressure of modern warfare.
30:14
Mark Spence: You know, you know what kind of a servant you are when somebody treats you like one, and you know what kind of a warrior you are when you're actually in the midst of battle.
30:21
Mark Spence: But, you don't decide in the midst of battle how you're going to fight.
30:25
Mark Spence: You decide before and it's like the war on pornography and sexual purity was fought yesterday and the day before to know how we're going to fight it today.
30:35
Mark Spence: Right, so this is what we're up against in today's culture.
30:39
Mark Spence: We need to determine here and now that we will not bow our knees to anything other than, to anyone other than Jesus Christ, no matter what the cost, no matter the cost and at all costs.
30:52
Oscar Navarro: I think it's good to do a diagnosis on how we got here too, and I think I've mentioned it before.
30:56
Oscar Navarro: Charles Taylor's book A Secular Age does such a great job of helping us kind of do an analysis of where we're at, and in his book he predicted that our understanding of the self was going to change.
31:09
Oscar Navarro: He said that traditionally, the self was viewed in light of our relationship with God, and then country, and then family.
31:18
Oscar Navarro: But he said that as we move to more of an expressive individualistic worldview, what would end up happening is that our sense of self would shift from the higher things to the lower things.
31:30
Oscar Navarro: And he predicted two.
31:31
Oscar Navarro: Actually, he predicted three.
31:32
Oscar Navarro: One of them, consumerism that we would find a sense of identity in what we own.
31:36
Oscar Navarro: And isn't that true?
31:37
Oscar Navarro: Like, if you were creating entrepreneur, then surely you have to have a Mac.
31:41
Oscar Navarro: Don't even shop for anything else.
31:42
Oscar Navarro: We identify with consumerism.
31:45
Oscar Navarro: The second thing he said was with our sexuality.
31:48
Oscar Navarro: Hello, we identify with our sexuality.
31:51
Oscar Navarro: Now it's like what are your pronouns?
31:53
Oscar Navarro: Like?
31:53
Oscar Navarro: Our identity is built in our gender or sexuality.
31:57
Oscar Navarro: And the third thing he predicted was politics that we would become self identified in our political views more than the view of God.
32:06
Oscar Navarro: And isn't that true?
32:07
Oscar Navarro: Like we look around and it's like, oh, my neighbor moved in.
32:09
Oscar Navarro: They seem really sweet, but how do they vote?
32:12
Oscar Navarro: You know what I mean.
32:13
Oscar Navarro: Wow, this pastor's really good but how would he vote on?
32:16
Oscar Navarro: Like we see everything we have.
32:18
Oscar Navarro: We've removed from our eyes a lens of the world through the gospel and we've put on lenses of political vision and we see everything as conservative or liberal.
32:28
Oscar Navarro: We see where we, you know when we I've said this before when I walk outside I live in California.
32:33
Oscar Navarro: When I walk outside, I'm like man, this liberal, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
32:37
Oscar Navarro: When I walk outside, you know what I see?
32:39
Oscar Navarro: I see God's creation.
32:40
Oscar Navarro: I see the trees blowing in the wind.
32:43
Oscar Navarro: If I go down the street I can hear the ocean.
32:46
Oscar Navarro: Like I see God's world.
32:49
Oscar Navarro: But so many of my neighbors don't see God's world.
32:51
Oscar Navarro: They see a political world.
32:54
Jon Root: Yeah, they think it's somehow.
32:55
Jon Root: God is not in blue states, or something like that, or blue counties Like.
32:58
Jon Root: I don't know where he went, but so so.
33:00
Jon Root: I got a flea, I gotta go to these.
33:01
Jon Root: I gotta go to these red ones I'm gonna Arizona.
33:05
Mark Spence: Yeah, that's turning pretty purple.
33:06
Mark Spence: I wanna make a quick point based off that.
33:09
Jon Root: I think there's so many people that are putting something before Christian as their identity.
33:12
Jon Root: So what if you're putting conservative before Christian?
33:15
Jon Root: Your priorities are totally out of whack.
33:17
Jon Root: It's just the same thing.
33:18
Jon Root: If, like, if I'm gonna call myself a white Christian, why would I ever do that?
33:21
Jon Root: If I call myself a straight Christian, why would I need to?
33:24
Oscar Navarro: do that.
33:25
Jon Root: We're Christian, we are Christ followers.
33:28
Jon Root: We don't need any sort of just word before Christian.
33:33
Jon Root: It doesn't make sense but a lot of people are starting to do that because it's tribalism within politics.
33:39
Jon Root: It doesn't make sense.
33:40
Emeal Zwayne: That's good.
33:40
Emeal Zwayne: You know, john, we talked with our good friend Owen Strand before this about Speaking of controversy.
33:48
Jon Root: let's go.
33:48
Jon Root: He's pulling no punches here.
33:51
Emeal Zwayne: But you know we talked to him about the vacuum that exists today in the world and how people are gravitating toward people like Andrew Tate.
34:00
Emeal Zwayne: For the life of me I can't put my head around it.
34:05
Emeal Zwayne: In one sense I can, in that there's that vacuum, but you would think Christians would have more sense than that, you know, and so you know I saw a video of you talking with Candace, talking about Candace Owens in her interview with Andrew Tate and kind of like talking about, oh, I wish you were a Christian and almost like we need him, kind of a thing.
34:24
Emeal Zwayne: But also this whole writing off of like this guy is so he's so antithetical in his life to Christ in like almost every way imaginable, but he throws in some masculinity stuff which is attractive to men.
34:40
Emeal Zwayne: But what's going on with that and what was your perspective on what Candace Owens was doing there?
34:44
Jon Root: And before I give that answer to you, I know we've talked a lot about Candace Owens and I know I shared too, even during the chosen controversy, and then her interview with Andrew Tate is.
34:52
Jon Root: I believe that she's done some good things.
34:54
Jon Root: I believe that she has exposed some really important things which led to good discussion and has led to a little bit more moral media or society.
35:04
Jon Root: But I think there's sometimes where we're gonna miss.
35:07
Jon Root: I think she missed mightily with Andrew Tate, where if you're gonna tell him like man, I wish you were still a Christian, like it just shows that your theology is all out of whack.
35:17
Jon Root: And we know that now too, that she's going Roman Catholic.
35:20
Jon Root: I don't know if she's full-blown Roman Catholic now she's married to a Roman Catholic.
35:24
Jon Root: She has a really interesting conversation with Ali Bestaki.
35:27
Jon Root: I think it's a two-parter with Candace and her husband.
35:31
Jon Root: But when you say somebody lost their salvation, I mean that was something I touched on too.
35:36
Jon Root: It's like clearly you don't understand the word, Like if you feel like Andrew Tate was actually in God's hand and then somehow Allah or the Muslim religion just stole him out of God's hands.
35:48
Jon Root: Like you don't clearly have a clear understanding, like we are here, of God's sovereignty, of his power, of the Almighty God.
35:56
Jon Root: And then when I share things like her interview, you didn't do the research.
36:01
Jon Root: You're trying to say that these things were 10 years ago and he talked about a pornographic webcam business a couple years ago and he's joking about his PhD program, which is a pimping hose degree.
36:14
Jon Root: That's the person that we need to elevate.
36:17
Jon Root: We don't need Andrew Tate.
36:19
Jon Root: We're fighting a spiritual war and we want to fight people that have the full armor of God.
36:25
Jon Root: He does not have that.
36:27
Jon Root: He's fighting for something completely different.
36:29
Jon Root: He's on a completely different road.
36:31
Jon Root: But when you have someone like Andis, who I don't truly believe is saved and doesn't have a clear understanding of scripture, she's not going to recognize that.
36:40
Jon Root: Yes, we can have a co-belligerence with people, but we just are desperately looking.
36:45
Jon Root: Especially young men are looking for a strong male role model and they're looking for it in the wrong places.
36:52
Jon Root: Someone they should look to and I'm glad that Ben Shapiro sat down with Vodibhakum.
36:56
Jon Root: Here's what biblical masculinity looks like.
36:59
Jon Root: Here's what dating actually looks like.
37:02
Jon Root: As a man, you should be a leader as a man.
37:04
Jon Root: That doesn't mean that everybody is going to be jacked and ripped and you're going to be super voiceless.
37:09
Jon Root: Luckily, we all are.
37:11
Jon Root: Praise God, we don't have any belly fat at all.
37:18
Emeal Zwayne: I don't.
37:18
Emeal Zwayne: I'm Gertl's brother, I'm Gertl's.
37:20
Emeal Zwayne: These two, they got Gertl's, not me.
37:21
Jon Root: But with those things I'm going to call it out and I know it starts ruffling feathers where people are just like stop talking about it.
37:28
Jon Root: She does so much good and I think that's where people are missing the point where we almost need to protect these politicians.
37:35
Jon Root: We need to protect these conservative media members.
37:37
Jon Root: I deserve to be held accountable for anything that I say and I hope that I let people know that if this doesn't line with scripture, if you feel like I have a bad witness in the way that I'm sharing these things, we might not agree with the messaging or the boldness.
37:51
Jon Root: Some people might not share it in that way.
37:53
Jon Root: Sometimes I feel like I need a hammer on this point and I want to do it in truth and love.
37:58
Jon Root: It might be different than the tone that you have, but I'm always supposed to be held accountable.
38:02
Emeal Zwayne: I think anybody else should too in conservative media.
38:05
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, so real quickly what happened with the whole LGBTQ flag thing and that whole controversy?
38:13
Jon Root: So with me.
38:13
Jon Root: I always want to make sure I do the research.
38:16
Jon Root: So, yes, I've been involved in some controversy, but with the Chosen I ended up seeing a smaller social media account on X.
38:23
Jon Root: It shared a screenshot from a YouTube video from the Chosen that showed there was a Pride flag on set in a behind the scenes video.
38:32
Jon Root: So what I did is I went to the Chosen's YouTube channel and I wanted to see is this actually there?
38:38
Jon Root: Is it pretty prominent?
38:39
Jon Root: I give them the benefit of the doubt.
38:41
Jon Root: It was a Pride flag prominent right there on the set on a rig of a camera, on the set of the Chosen.
38:51
Jon Root: So what I did was not just I can't believe you guys would do this.
38:54
Jon Root: This is great.
38:55
Jon Root: That's the way that Candice put it out there.
38:56
Jon Root: Almost I went 0 to 100.
38:58
Jon Root: I asked them.
38:59
Jon Root: I put it on Instagram and I also put it when it was still Twitter at the time.
39:03
Jon Root: Hey, at the Chosen TV, why do you have a Pride flag on set?
39:08
Jon Root: They responded to me and they defended it.
39:11
Jon Root: They, basically.
39:12
Jon Root: And then you had Dallas Jenkins who defended it with a video.
39:16
Jon Root: He came out with another video and then he started gaslighting people and then you have Candice that decided to jump on the train there too.
39:24
Jon Root: Obviously, that was a time where I lost a job, if people know my story and these things just need to be called out.
39:32
Jon Root: And it's not me saying, oh, gay people can't work on the set of a Christian show, but there's other videos that were showing this cameraman.
39:39
Jon Root: This gay cameraman was wearing Pride gear, rainbow t-shirts, while he's holding a rig and following Jonathan Rumi who plays Jesus in the Chosen.
39:51
Jon Root: They're not just saying oh and they try to say oh, we have just like a three inch Pride flag.
39:56
Jon Root: It's really not that big.
39:58
Emeal Zwayne: It's not that big of a size of that thing matters.
40:00
Jon Root: It's like cancer is cancer.
40:01
Jon Root: That's what it is.
40:02
Jon Root: That's what I was telling people.
40:03
Jon Root: You don't have a doctor that says I don't know, mark, the cancer is this big.
40:09
Jon Root: At least it's not like this big, so it's not that big of a deal.
40:13
Jon Root: Man, just come back if you're really not feeling well in a few weeks.
40:16
Jon Root: We need to call out sin and that is fully saying that something that is against God and trying to steal the rainbow, which is supposed to be a sign of God's promise, that's what everybody should be believing when they see.
40:29
Jon Root: The rainbow is now about hijacked and you see series like this compromising on this, so I decided to call it out and then it got a lot of attacks from different actors on the show trying to say that I was a hateful bigot, homophobe, not Christlike, and if anybody just looks back on my videos or the interactions, I showed the truth with love.
40:51
Jon Root: I didn't damn anybody to hell, but I was asking for answers and I believed that I went about it as probably about Matthew 18 as you can.
40:59
Jon Root: On social media it's like, hey, I'm looking for an answer for this, and it led to a lot of controversy, but I think it exposed it and let people know that, hey, this is not just the only issue with that show and you lost a job over that.
41:12
Jon Root: I can't really explain too much behind the scenes and I think mostly I say that because I just don't want to come across as vindictive.
41:21
Jon Root: But it was during a time where I'm very bold in my faith and there's times where if you're calling out certain things in conservative media, you're calling out people that are connected with certain spaces, connected with certain people, it's going to ruffle feathers and I felt like I went about it in a respectful, god-honoring way.
41:39
Jon Root: Not everybody's going to see it like that.
41:41
Jon Root: I truly believe that I was talking to my elders in my church, I was talking to my pastor in my church, I was talking to guys in my Bible study, like, hey, I'm sharing some of these things, this is the best way to go, but yeah, that was during the time and these things definitely played a fact.
41:55
Emeal Zwayne: Well, I think, at the end of the day, we just have to examine our hearts against what scripture calls us in terms of our conduct.
42:01
Emeal Zwayne: And conduct in terms of tone is different than content, in that we speak truth but we couch it in, like you said, love and grace and care and a pure motive.
42:17
Emeal Zwayne: But I think, at the end of the day, we have to understand that, as Mark referenced, those who desire to live Godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution.
42:25
Emeal Zwayne: We're not gluttonies for persecution, we're not trying to take it on as a badge of honor, but hey, woe to you if all men speak well of you.
42:33
Emeal Zwayne: I mean, you probably aren't doing something right there in that regard, because, especially in the day and age of the midst of which we live now, we have to speak or else we're really abdicating our duty as those who are called to be ambassadors of Christ and to be salt and light in the world and then sometimes people just won't have ears to hear.
42:53
Jon Root: Yeah that's true.
42:54
Jon Root: I mean that's such a tough thing that I've had to learn, especially over the past few years being involved in conservative media and being online and becoming I hate the term influencer, but I mean that's just a good way for people to kind of just like understand the space that I'm in.
43:08
Jon Root: I mean there's people that were trying to say that Satan was using me during that time Unreal, I mean, that sounds a lot like the deliverance ministries that we're seeing all across the country.
43:19
Jon Root: But it's one of those things that hopefully it did lead to some fruitful conversation, but sometimes I had to know that people will fight for whatever they idolize.
43:28
Jon Root: I feel like some people started to idolize the chosen yeah.
43:33
Emeal Zwayne: It's unfortunate, very unfortunate.
43:34
Emeal Zwayne: And look, I just want to say in conclusion I'm glad you mentioned the legitimacy of cobaligerence, but I think the key is clarity.
43:43
Emeal Zwayne: You know, I remember there was one notable Christian leader who spoke at an event with I think it was some Mormon event or something but he made it extraordinarily clear by saying look, the differences that we have deal with eternal matters and there will be eternal consequences in light of these differences.
44:02
Emeal Zwayne: I want to make that clear and then continue, went on to speak at the event or whatever, but that's so important.
44:08
Emeal Zwayne: But you're not getting that today, either nothing is said, which is saying a lot, or stupid things are said like yeah, we all worship the same Jesus, they love Jesus like we do.
44:19
Emeal Zwayne: No, you're talking about a different Jesus, you're talking about a different God, and that's a disservice to people.
44:25
Emeal Zwayne: And so, clarity if there's going to be cobaligerence, have clarity, make it clear, tiptoe around it, don't sugarcoat or candy coat.
44:33
Emeal Zwayne: Be clear, but speak truth.
44:36
Jon Root: And, like you were saying earlier, the Bible is inerrant and the Bible is authoritative.
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Jon Root: And I know I had just quickly, as we're wrapping up, here is the Dodgers protest.
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Jon Root: I was there and I spoke and I was going through the process of trying to put together a prayer walk and then unfortunately, it turned into something that just the police were great, the LAPD were awesome working with us, there was a Catholic group and I was on the Protestant side.
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Jon Root: We want to do a prayer walk because the cobaligerence there works out better.
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Jon Root: You guys can do whatever you want and this prayer line you can have whatever monikers you have, whatever you're going to do.
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Jon Root: And it turned into we had a parking lot space and then the Catholic group ended up securing the space.
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Jon Root: We didn't really know about it too much and they have idols up there and it was a really difficult thing for me because I know it's like why is Jesus still on the cross?
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Jon Root: He's risen.
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Jon Root: Why do we have pictures of Mary up here?
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Jon Root: But I went up there and I'm not a pastor, but I think I was the only one that actually had a Bible and read from the Bible Say, hey, this is how we need to look at this culture, but there was a cobaligerence there and I hope that's stuff that we start to recognize, and I've shared that publicly too, because I'm going to get scrutinized.
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Jon Root: I knew that would happen, this up with all the stuff that's around you on this stage.
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Oscar Navarro: Hopefully it leads to speaking of Catholicism.
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Oscar Navarro: Notice the easy's wearing his rosary.
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Oscar Navarro: Oh, I forgot, I had it on.
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Emeal Zwayne: Well, brother, thank you so much for coming on.
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Emeal Zwayne: We appreciate you.
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Emeal Zwayne: Tell people how they can get in contact with your ministry, where they can follow you on social media.
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Jon Root: Well, first and foremost, you guys are a blessing Thank you for everything you guys do.
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Jon Root: It's great.
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Jon Root: Even before I jumped on here, there's dozens of people that are like thank you so much for your guys's ministry.
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Jon Root: You guys have made such an impact on my life for Christ and I think you guys should be encouraged with what you guys are doing and I'm always happy to support you guys.
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Jon Root: But if you guys want to follow me online, I'm on X and Instagram.
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Jon Root: It's at Johnny Root, j-o-n-n-y-r-o-o-t.
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Jon Root: Underscore, and I'm also on YouTube at John Root, j-o-n-r-o-o-t.
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Jon Root: Trying to grow that a little bit and just keep the dialogue going, and I'm probably going to be involved in some controversies sometime soon, so be on the lookout for that.
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Emeal Zwayne: Well, brother, thank you so much.
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Emeal Zwayne: We wish you the best, and may the Lord continue to use you for His glory.
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Emeal Zwayne: Thanks for coming on.
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Emeal Zwayne: God bless you guys.
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Emeal Zwayne: Thank you, god bless you.
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Emeal Zwayne: Thank you, wow, oscar.
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Emeal Zwayne: That was a great intro of our brother to our audience.
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Emeal Zwayne: I'm not sure how many are familiar with him, but good guy.
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Oscar Navarro: Yeah, that was a really dynamic conversation and I think one of the big takeaways is as Christians, our primary allegiance is to the Scriptures and to God's Word, and sometimes that means God's Word is going to cause us to hold even our partners in other areas of our life accountable.
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Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, yeah, that's good.
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Emeal Zwayne: Amen and Mark, you've been familiar with.
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Mark Spence: John for a while.
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Mark Spence: Yeah, I love him.
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Mark Spence: I follow him on Instagram and he is doing an amazing job there on the social media sphere and he does not back down.
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Mark Spence: You tend to get tired when you go back and forth, back and forth, back and forth with someone who doesn't believe the same thing.
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Mark Spence: The guy doesn't get tired If he feels like you and your faulty theological reasoning have an audience amongst people who love God.
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Mark Spence: He's going to make sure that you're put in your place in a very loving, respectful way.
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Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, yeah, and he's paid a price for it.
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Emeal Zwayne: But again I was delighted to know that his heart is for the loss he wants to reach and would love.
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Emeal Zwayne: Do you like that, ray?
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Emeal Zwayne: I love it.
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Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, it goes to your favorite part here.
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Ray Comfort: I'm hearing banging on the roof of our studio.
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Oscar Navarro: Either of you guys.
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Oscar Navarro: Are they playing basketball up there?
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Oscar Navarro: No, no, we've got roofers working up there, get a new roof here.
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Oscar Navarro: Why did they feel like?
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Ray Comfort: they were going to hear banging, but we did.
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Ray Comfort: Yeah, well, we made it through most.
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Emeal Zwayne: All right, friends.
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Emeal Zwayne: There you have it.
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Emeal Zwayne: That was our friend John Root.
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Ray Comfort: Yeah, I can hear you from the house, Mark.
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Ray Comfort: That's what my kids?
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Emeal Zwayne: say too the whole world hears you, mark, that was a week.
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Emeal Zwayne: That's a real one, that's a real one.