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#168: Gill1918 presents Track Tribe LIVE: (Part 3) "Getting Paid to Run" with Tyrone Ross hosted by Kyle Jones · The Gill Athletics Track and Field Connections Podcast

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  Now let's get into today's topic.
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  I believe I believe it, man. I know that.
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  Again, I, I try to stick to this man, this is so good.
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  I I feel like we're 100% going to need a Part 2 and tell tell
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  Mama Ross to fix me a. Plate too.
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  I got you. I, I want to, I want to be there
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  with a, with a pork chop. I don't eat pork, but you know.
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  I want to be there whatever you need, whatever you need.
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  My mother's fried pork chops will get you in trouble, but
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  they. Don't even eat pork anymore.
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  That's the funny part. Yeah, whatever.
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  Whatever it is. Her spaghetti is real.
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  Whatever, whatever it is, but I do know Jesus going to eat good
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  when he come back. Yeah, the seven meal fit fried
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  fish and spaghetti right. That's real.
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  There you go. There you go.
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  OK, So what I would love to do, because again, I try to stay
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  relatively around our our one hour time frame, I feel like
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  we're going to need to do a Part 2.
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  I want to get some feedback from the audience.
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  What are some other things they really want to know about?
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  I know we dug into NIL today. We dug a little bit into what
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  that transfer portal was like and when you can transfer.
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  I think we touched on that just a bit.
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  The stipulations that the schools are putting forth, how
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  money is being transferred from, you know, or just used from a
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  school's perspective versus the collective perspective and how
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  the individuals, you know, where, how that money is
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  distributed to you. We also touched a little bit on
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  what it's like to run on a pro level and just how difficult it
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  is to make money at that level and how long it takes to get
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  paid, which is insane to me, you know, and you know, there
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  there's a lot of experience that you have obviously at that
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  level. Of course, I, I've never got
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  there. I got to get through college and
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  that was it for me. I tried to hit that hit that
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  Olympic standard in 2004 for the decathlon.
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  And I just, man, I, I took a beating, man, I tore, I stepped
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  in a hole throwing a javelin and tore the muscle my back.
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  So yeah, that was fun. I couldn't sit up on my own for
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  like 667 weeks kids. So, you know, there, there's
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  still a lot of information out here that parents need to know.
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  I think you gave some really good pointers on questions that
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  they should ask. If you did, if you missed that,
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  y'all make sure y'all go back and catch all the notes on that.
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  Is there are there any other final words that you'd like to
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  share as we start to kind of wrap this thing up?
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  And thank you everybody who's on board with us or bear with us.
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  I don't know the words. What's the opposite of are they
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  past tense of bear board? Oh, we do have a question here
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  is all. And you see me looking to the
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  rights. I got my screen.
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  Oh, all good. Is all NIL through the school
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  now and are the deals that can be made through?
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  Are there deals that can be made through third parties?
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  So is all are all NLLNIL through the school and are there deals
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  that can be made through third parties?
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  Great question. Yeah.
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  So yes, they can be made through third parties.
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  It's not only through the school, but it's primarily
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  through the school now. So I can sign an agreement with
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  my school for NIL and I can sign an agreement with New Balance or
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  Nike. Like you see.
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  Yeah, you can have third party or the local dealership is all
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  the football players who drive the Hellcats.
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  Yeah. So yeah, you can't have third
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  party deals, but primarily they wanted because NIL was out of
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  control. So now the power for schools and
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  any school that opts in, there's very few that opted out, but the
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  ones that opted out is it's only third party, but the majority of
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  the schools and all the power for conferences opted in so they
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  could pay the 20 1/2 million to their program.
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  Now what's crazy is you got some football programs that are going
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  to spend $40 million on a football roster next year, which
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  means they blew through all of all of that 20 1/2, the portion
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  of that 20 half, because we all know most of it is going to
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  football and basketball, and then added another 20 +
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  1,000,000 on top from outside entities to be able to pay A to
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  pay a roster of players. It's insane.
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  Yeah, well, when you have schools and no disrespect, I'm
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  let me state this and then you have Indiana International
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  Championship, you know, and they have a a roster and you, you
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  never would have seen this a few years ago because everybody went
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  to those Power 5 or power Fours, right.
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  And so now, now the money is changing the landscape and
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  competitive edge across the country for other programs too.
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  Right, I don't want to be quoted here.
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  I think is is you can look it up, but I think Indiana has the
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  wealthiest alumni base of all the universities.
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  Also for the parents, for the parents out there, there's two
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  things before we go, I was actually going to ask you if I
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  could have a little time to say something because one of the
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  things I always say is, is don't don't miss the moment.
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  I don't want to miss the moment here, but to the parents really
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  quickly. And I found this fascinating.
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  I if I I may try to send it to you after this.
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  But if you look at a map of where all the Division One
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  schools are, they're all clustered on the East Coast and
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  you got a few out here. I couldn't believe it, how few
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  Division One schools they were here in California.
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  It blew me away. Like the clusters all up and
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  down the Eastern seaboard and a few in the middle of the
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  country. And then there's it's disparate
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  out here. So here's here's the last thing
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  that I want to say, which I, which I think is important and
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  kind of piggybacking on what I said at the beginning of the
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  meeting. And I think this is really
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  important based on some of the things that I hear from my, you
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  know, my former teammates, friends that are my age that
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  have kids and everything else. I, I don't, I don't have
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  children. All I got is my plant back there
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  and I try to keep a lie right? That plant be so thirsty
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  sometimes and tap me on the shoulder like, hey, bro, can you
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  remember to put some water here? So I'm not, I haven't been
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  blessed enough to, to have children yet.
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  I have a niece and 33 great nephews that I absolutely adore.
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  So I'm not, I'm not a parent, but I, I absolutely honor my
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  parents and I Revere them for what they've meant to me.
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  And I referenced something about how I almost took my life when
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  my Olympic dream didn't come true.
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  So if you are a parent right now and you just, I don't care if
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  you're watching this live or you eventually get to see it,
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  parents are the most important people you will ever get to know
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  in your entire life. If you do have the benefit of
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  being a parent and you have a child, to me, because of what my
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  parents represent to me, the best thing you can do for that
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  child is 2 things and still in them.
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  An unwavering belief in themselves and an unwavering
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  belief that whatever they want for themselves is limited.
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  And what I mean by that is this a limited view of what they may
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  say they are. All I wanted to be was an
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  Olympian. All I wanted to be was an
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  Olympian. My mother would always say to
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  me, son, you're more than just a runner.
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  And I hated it. Son, you're more than just a
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  runner. You're more than.
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  That's all she would say, but I would be disappointed.
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  You're more than just a runner. So I say all that to say,
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  support your kids. Go to all of the events, do all
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  the things, do all the homework, do all the tournaments, do all
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  of that stuff. Send them on their way.
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  Don't prepare the path for the child.
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  Prepare the child for the path. And then at the end of that
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  path, there will be disappointment, there will be
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  fear, there will be frustration, there will be heartbreak.
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  You know that it's going to happen, but let them know
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  whatever they sunk their heart into, it's just a fraction.
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  It was limited in their thinking.
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  And then you say, I wanted you to experience that.
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  But when I created you and God was blessed enough to give me
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  you, He didn't just limit you to this.
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  You can draw, you can sing, you can do all those things.
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  Don't just football, football, football, track, track, track,
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  basketball back. Don't do that.
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  Let them do it. Let them go their way, but
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  remind them. Give them constant reminders
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  that I've given you more than just athletic talents.
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  I've given you a wonderful brain.
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  I've given you the ability to speak.
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  I've given you the ability to be magnanimous and make friends.
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  I've given you the ability of leadership.
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  You're you're a future entrepreneur, you're a future
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  financial advisor. You're not just a runner.
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  So again, I'm not blessed enough to be a parent.
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  But my parents, to me, I would. I can't express the love for
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  what I've seen them go through and what they've done and what
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  they mean to me and to me. If you are a parent, I think
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  that's all you want for your kids is just to look at you the
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  way that I look at my parents. And all I think about now, I
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  have a life I never dreamed of, never dreamed that I would be
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  living the way that I'm living. And it was only because my
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  mother would say you're not. You're more than just a runner
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  son. You're more than just a runner
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  son. And when I went up, when I woke
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  up that morning and I bought the ticket to kill myself, it wasn't
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  resonating. I'm starting to get a little
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  emotional, but it wasn't resonating.
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  And when God held me off that sidewalk and that truck went by
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  and it shook me out of it, I was forced over the next couple of
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  years ago, Man, I could do all of these things.
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  I can speak, I'm really good at this.
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  I'm really good at that. I can, I can build companies.
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  I can do all these other things. So anyway, love on your kids.
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  Send them on the way. Let them do whatever it is they
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  want to do. But when they fall, when they're
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  on their knees, when they have nothing but broken tools and
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  glass in their hands and there's nothing left, you go.
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  There's more to you than this and there's so many black men
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  that struggle with they would have, they would athlete, they
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  were this, that or whatever the world is.
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  You're tall, so you're this the average height of a Fortune 500
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  CEO is 6/2, right? So anyway, not blessed enough to
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  be a parent. But if you are a parent, love
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  when your kids send them on their way, but give them
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  constant reminders that there's so many different themes inside
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  of them that they can pull out when something that they wanted
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  to put their all in doesn't go their way.
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  Yeah, I love that, man. That, that, that is an awesome
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  message. And guys, I, I echo that.
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  I appreciate you taking the moment and seizing that moment
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  to share that because somebody needed to hear that.
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  And I would impart something in Utah.
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  Only reason why you got pulled back from that is because you
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  have a purpose and you're still here because you need to still
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  continue to deliver messages because in my opinion, this is
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  just me. From what I've noticed our, our
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  class in that, in that, that late 90s, man, we're all bridge
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  builders, right? We all try to bridge the gap
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  between our generation and the next or, and the one that came
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  before us. I'm noticing that about our
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  everybody that was kind of like 96 to 99 range kind of that
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  late, maybe even 2000, right? Which is kind of that, hey,
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  here's what the older or elders taught us, but also here's what
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  we can learn from our youth. And I know our youth get a bad
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  rap sometimes and they go, man, these kids are crazy.
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  They do this stuff, man. I'm going to tell you that I
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  don't know that there's, there's a more creative group or
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  generation out there. So they, every generation has a,
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  an outstanding thing about them. There's some drawbacks for every
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  generation. There's some outstanding things
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  about every generation too. So I appreciate you taking that
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  because there are athletes here that really need to hear that
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  because just like you, all I wanted to do was go to the
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  Olympics. I didn't do anything.
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  I didn't know anything else so amazing.
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  So I appreciate you for sharing that.
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  There is one more question before we go.
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  I think Coach Ruby here is are there any financial indicators
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  that parents or students can look for to see that track, that
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  track and field is at risk of being cut in the future?
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  That's an excellent question too.
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  So are there any financial indicators that they can look
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  for to see if track and field is at risk of being cut in the
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  future? Yeah, I we can use, we can use
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  an example from our home state that just went viral about the
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  financial condition of the athletic department at Rutgers.
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  A high school coach went to Rutgers.
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  I just saw him and I know a few kids from my high school
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  recently went there. But when you have an athletic
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  athletic department that has that has lost in total $500
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  million and I believe $78 million lost by the track
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  program, I think that's a good sign that there will be some
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  type of cuts at some point. I don't know how there's not
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  across the across the athletic department.
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  But what's going to be the first to go, you know, Olympic sports,
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  right? So I would be very, very, very
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  cautious of sending my child to any sport at Rutgers right now
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  until you figure out what's going on there.
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  And this is all public information.
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  The donors are not donating. They move to the Big 10, which
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  is supposed to be lucrative, but you somehow still lost all of
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  this money. Something's wrong and it is a
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  miss. And which means so even if they
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  don't cut the program, there still needs to be investment in
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  the program, which means they're not even to invest any of them
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  in the money in the in the student athletes.
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  So that's an example of what you look for.
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  But there's a there's and this is easily searchable.
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  You can look at the the athletic departments of all these
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  schools, right, that your kid may being recruited by or
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  whatever and look up their financials.
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  They they have to you know, they report it more.
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  The majority of them do and and you can see and if not, they
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  went when they reach out and the coach want to talk to your
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  child, ask. Yeah, yeah.
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  And the small world portion again, thank you for that.
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  To the room, first of all, that my high school track coach,
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  Coach Esophie is the Sprint coach up there at Rutgers now.
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  Oh wow, that's crazy. Yeah, so it's like, wow, the the
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  small word, the guys and there was so much knowledge dropped
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  here. I'm going to go back and listen
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  to it because it was just the amount of amazing Nuggets that
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  were shared here today. And I hope this was valuable for
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  you as the reason, one of the reasons why I like to have these
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  real transparent conversations with people who are very
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  knowledgeable, who love the sport of track and field, love
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  athletes, love coaching, love the entirety of what we do here,
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  right? The community of track and
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  frame. You guys, by the way, if you
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  haven't yet, find us on the school app SKOOL.
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  It's called the Track Tribe. I'm trying to bring all these
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  people together who love track and field.
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  Doesn't matter if you're a coach, a parent and athlete.
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  Come on. We're going to try to grow this
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  as much as possible. I would like to have these
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  conversations to help our track community thrive and I'm telling
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  you right now there's there's not a tougher group of parents
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  out there than track parents because man, I'm going to tell
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  you what happened and this is a quick story.
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  I watched the football games and it started raining and everybody
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  scattered like roaches when the light came on.
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  I was in a track meet the other week.
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  It started raining. Everybody started clapping.
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  They threw their umbrellas up and they sat right there.
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  The track parents don't move. They do not care.
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  It can be sleeping frogs out there.
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  They. 98° sitting out there in the sun, I am not going to miss
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  my baby running in the ninth heat of the 100 meters.
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  Right know when they run they on the boys section run 13 four but
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  that's my baby. That's my, that's my baby.
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  Is it? Is what it is it?
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  Is man, that's my baby and like the track parents are some of
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  the toughest parents out there and and the coaches are right
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  there with them just as tough. And so, you know, if you're if
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  you're attract community is free.
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  By the way, the track tribe. I'll take on all and incur all
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  those costs. So come on and join us and have
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  a conversation, ask questions. We got tons of information in
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  the classroom there. You can go in and learn about
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  track and field. If you don't know anything, we
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  got instructional videos. We add more and more resources
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  every single month. So, you know, join the track
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  tribe again, it's free, 100% free.
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  It will stay free because I don't think that we need another
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  pay wall for the sport that we love.
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  Did that on purpose. And so and Tyrone, dude, I, I
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  just, I can't thank you enough. We're definitely going to have
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  to do a Part 2 to dive more into, you know, the collegiate
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  scene and what athletes need to do to get prepared for that, you
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  know, from your experience. And then maybe even if they're
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  so blessed enough to make a transition to the pros and think
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  about what that looks like as well.
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  Because that's a, that's a whole nutshell.
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  That's a whole ball game right there that they need to
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  understand. You dropped a lot of wisdom here
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  and I appreciate you all. And guys, if y'all didn't know,
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  again, I said I was going to bring this up and we mentioned
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  it very briefly. So small world moment #2 me and
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  Tyrone actually ran in the same track meet together at the Meet
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  of Champions back in 1997, one of the best races in the history
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  of New Jersey. And we were having a
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  conversation. I was like, hey man, I know that
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  guy. I'm saying he was, he was a
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  really fast guy back in Jersey, Man, I don't know.
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  I don't know if y'all do that or not, but that.
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  So that was a small, small world moment that, you know, I'm, I'm
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  excited to hopefully see that race one day.
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  Yeah. We're.
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  Going to get it to. You Yeah, I'm, I'm really, I'm
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  the geek man. So guys, that is it for the
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  Track Tribe session tonight with Tyrone Ross, who dropped an
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  incredible amount of wisdom. I hope that it was valuable for
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  you. Thank you all to all.
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  You are all people in the chat. Thank you for sticking with us
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  through this conversation, man. You guys have been amazing.
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  We had some some moments here where we're emotional and it's
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  great. I love that transparency.
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  We had some laughs. We had some teary eyes somewhat
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  man, some of that was part of laughter.
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  But again, please find us on the school app.
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  And then Tyrone, how can they reach out to you if they have
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  more questions? Because you've got a wealth of
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  knowledge in the finance area. So if they need you and they
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  want to ask more questions for about you know from you and you
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  know what you know, how could they reach you?
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  Yeah, I'm on all socials. If you go to LinkedIn and search
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  my name, Tyrone V Ross Junior, I'll pop up there.
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  Every one of my social names have four O 1 in it so I'm tyron
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  4 O one on Instagram, TR four O 1 on X and then on Instagram.
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  I mean on Facebook. Again you can just put in my
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  name but feel free to reach out, DM me.
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  Happy to answer questions and be a resource if needed there.
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  You go and your company website do you have?
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  Fouro1financial.co. Allright4o1financial.co.co
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  y'all, so make sure you go in and check out Tyrone and and I
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  would reach out and get some information, especially if you
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  guys are trying to get those nil things going on.
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  Make sure that you tap them and and ask some questions, man, and
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  you know, have some have your team put together, right?
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  Get the people on your team that know what they're doing.
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  They could protect you and put you in the best position to win,
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  right? Because our net worth is
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  determined by a network and you want to have somebody like
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  Tyrone in your corner. And I'm also available for some
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  really, really hard, difficult old school 400 meter workouts.
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  Not only will I give you to you, I'll do it with your kids.
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  Because I ain't got no teenage kids.
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  I could beat up on a mom. But you, you come to Atlanta,
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  we'll put you on the track with the with our kid.
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  Let's do it. Let's do it.
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  I'm. All for a tremendous some.
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  Tempo tubes. Yeah, well, I don't know if he
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  he might just try to give it to you, man.
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  He's Yeah, I. Know I see I tried to all that
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  we going to run these and pace 2 minutes rest repeat.
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  You can pace because he's an 800 kid, but he can run to four too.
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  He just rent like 2-2 flat sophomore.
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  So yeah, he's he's really doing his thing over there.
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  Get my get him out there and maybe even get my daughter to
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  chase him too. I'm excited, Tyrone.
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  Thanks again, man. In the tribe session, y'all
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  appreciate you remember the track tribe.
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  And if you need to e-mail the track tribe, you can do it at
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  the track tribe@gmail.com. If you need to find me, it's
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  easy. Track Coach Jones on everything.
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  All right? Yeah, everything.
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  Holla at me, y'all. If you got questions, feel free
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  to shoot us a message. We'll see you in the tribe.
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  I appreciate you. Thank you so much.
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  It's been great. God bless we.
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  Got you. Hey gang, Mike Cunningham here.
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