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The New Woo: How Consciousness, Compassion & Presence Can Transform Your Life | Lawrence Ellyard · Willow Healing Matters Podcast

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  SPEAKER_02: Hey everybody,
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  it's Catherine Crestani with another episode of Willow Healing
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  Matters and today I
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  SPEAKER_02: am joined by Lawrence Eliard.
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  SPEAKER_02: He is a visionary behind the new Woo documentary,
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  bringing more than three decades of experience as a wellness
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  practitioner,
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  SPEAKER_02: educator and global industry leader.
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  SPEAKER_02: As a founder,
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  SPEAKER_02: producer and casting director,
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  he is known for identifying emerging movements to list sick
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  health and connecting
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  SPEAKER_02: the people and ideas shaping the future of well-being.
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  He's the founder and director of the International Institute of
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  Complementary
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  SPEAKER_02: Therapists,
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  a global professional body representing more than 36,000
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  wellness professionals
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  SPEAKER_02: across 1,400 plus modalities in 37 countries.
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  SPEAKER_02: Through IICT,
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  SPEAKER_02: which is the abbreviated version of that,
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  SPEAKER_02: Lawrence has played a pivotal role in elevating professional standards,
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  SPEAKER_02: supporting practitioner recognition,
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  SPEAKER_02: and expanding access to natural therapies worldwide.
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  SPEAKER_02: As a respected author,
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  SPEAKER_02: speaker,
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  SPEAKER_02: and thought leader,
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  Lawrence's work has received endorsements from prominent
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  figures including His
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  SPEAKER_02: Holiness,
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  SPEAKER_02: the 14th Dalai Lama,
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  SPEAKER_02: Jack Canfield,
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  SPEAKER_02: Dr.
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  SPEAKER_02: Mizaru Emoto,
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  SPEAKER_02: and Sir Richard Branson.
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  His academic background includes a master's qualification in
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  transpersonal
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  SPEAKER_02: medicine,
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  complemented by decades of martial arts training and extensive
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  study in Tibetan
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  SPEAKER_02: Buddhism and indigenous shamanic traditions.
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  Lawrence is widely regarded as a master connector and
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  integrated thinker who
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  SPEAKER_02: bridges ancient wisdom and modern innovation.
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  SPEAKER_02: His leadership combines entrepreneurship,
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  SPEAKER_02: vision with spiritual depth,
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  SPEAKER_02: uniting global networks to create meaningful impact.
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  SPEAKER_02: So a big welcome to the space, Lawrence.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hey, thank you.
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  SPEAKER_00: That was quite the epic introduction.
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  SPEAKER_00: I hope I say something very intelligent while we're talking together.
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  SPEAKER_00: I will.
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  If that's okay,
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  if you don't,
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  then it's on me as the host not pulling it out of you,
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  right?
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  It's great to be here and always love to share some ideas and
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  wisdom and different
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  SPEAKER_00: ways to view reality because there are many,
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  many ways to explore consciousness and how we relate to our
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  world and particularly
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  SPEAKER_00: through the lens of wellness and our personal prosperity,
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  SPEAKER_00: all of these things.
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  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I'm really delighted to be here.
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  SPEAKER_02: The first thing that's sticking out to me,
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  how did you end up studying Tibetan Buddhism and doing
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  transpersonal holistic
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  SPEAKER_02: health and those sorts of things?
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  SPEAKER_02: What led you to those different paths?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
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  SPEAKER_00: well,
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  SPEAKER_00: look,
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  I've always had an interest in spirituality and consciousness
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  and all the different
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  SPEAKER_00: things that are not ordinarily seen in our five senses.
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  And I think as a child,
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  we had these books,
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  you know,
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  Mysteries of the Unexpected,
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  explained and like all those things about UFOs and sightings of
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  yetis and you name
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  it like all those mysterious mysterious things we had these
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  coffee table books I
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  used to pour over them for hours I just was really fascinated
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  by anything like that
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  SPEAKER_00: as a child so an early teen
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  SPEAKER_00: I got exposed to formal meditation practice when I was 11 years old,
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  pursued a career or started to do a career in art direction and
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  graphic design and
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  SPEAKER_00: realized it wasn't for me and decided in my late teens to just do
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  SPEAKER_00: Spirituality,
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  SPEAKER_00: Wellness,
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  Natural Therapies full-time and I had collisions with some
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  incredible mentors and
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  teachers so I was very very fortunate to have incredible
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  teachers and I was
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  actually looking for somewhere to live and I met a Tibetan
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  Buddhist monk in the
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  SPEAKER_00: street as one does and I said hey do you know of anyone you know looking
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  SPEAKER_00: for someone to have a room and to stay.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he said, oh, we have a room at our place.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, cool, go check it out.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then as it turns out, it was a Buddhist monastery.
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  And so I checked in and,
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  you know,
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  did a three and a half year stint in that place.
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  And,
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  you know,
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  it was very much not a full monastic experience,
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  but not too far off it.
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  SPEAKER_00: So daily meditation practices and
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  Living a fairly astute lifestyle and I had the opportunity to
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  meet with a lot of
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  the lineage holders of that tradition and meet with some great
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  teachers and travel
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  with them and yeah so it was a huge honor and opportunity and
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  into mixed with that
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  SPEAKER_00: I was studying transpersonal counseling and
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  Psychology and all these different approaches to deal with our
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  minds and emotions
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  so went full deep into all of that world you know and so it's
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  been an incredible
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  journey but I would say I was just being very very fortunate to
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  have very wise and
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  SPEAKER_00: wonderful teachers that I got to spend time with and
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  SPEAKER_00: and develop myself, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's been a real amazing journey from that standpoint.
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  And I think I've always had this natural drive to think about
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  that the others are
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  SPEAKER_00: many and I'm one.
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  SPEAKER_00: So therefore, how do I make myself become of service?
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  SPEAKER_00: How do I bring contributions
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  SPEAKER_00: into the world.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm, you know, such a visionary and big thinker by default.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so for me,
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  SPEAKER_00: it's like a no brainer to go,
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  SPEAKER_00: well,
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  how do we reach as many people as possible for as long as
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  possible to create the
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  SPEAKER_00: biggest positive impact in the world as possible?
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  You know,
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  so that's been the journey for the last,
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  I don't know,
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  30 years or so.
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  SPEAKER_02: There's so much in there I love.
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  But firstly,
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  I do love that you just met your roommates through some meeting
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  on the street.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: But you can't,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: I know that we're the creators of our,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: reality and that sort of thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: But,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: sometimes you look back at your script and you go,
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  SPEAKER_02: wow,
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  SPEAKER_02: that was a cool meet cute before that was that moment.
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  Well these are like little knocks from the universe right so we
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  get nudged and we
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  get little cues and of course some of us we listen and we take
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  action other people
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  we need to have the knock and that gets louder and louder and
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  eventually you know
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  usually there's some massive disruption in our lives if we
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  don't take notice of
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  SPEAKER_00: those signals you know from the universe let's call it
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  Or God Or Good Or Whatever You Want To Put On There So Yeah So
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  I Think A Lot Of
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  This On Some Level You Know Represents The Accumulation Of Good
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  Merit From Former
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  Lives And A Great Yogi I Spent Some Time With He Said Don't
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  Worry If You Don't
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  Believe In Past Lives Because In Your Next Life You Will For
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  Sure You Know Which Is
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  SPEAKER_00: A Great Joke
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  SPEAKER_00: And yeah,
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  so it's been just a fortunate time to meet with some of these
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  great teachers who
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  SPEAKER_00: were really in their prime at the time as well.
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  So I got to study a lot of different spiritual practices,
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  different paths.
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  I got to work with some very accomplished practitioners in an
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  array of different
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  SPEAKER_00: wellness modalities.
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  SPEAKER_00: So all of this has been good.
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  SPEAKER_00: Raw Materials to fine-tune this thing,
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  SPEAKER_00: whatever we want to call,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: this living,
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  SPEAKER_00: direct experience,
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  SPEAKER_00: avatar in life,
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  SPEAKER_00: and,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: make a positive contribution where possible.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, beautiful.
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  And then how did you now find yourself in this role of creating
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  or being part of
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  SPEAKER_02: one of the many creators on this documentary,
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  SPEAKER_02: The New Woo?
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  SPEAKER_02: I got that right, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: The New Woo?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: You did, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, people talk about, you know, that's all woo-woo.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it used to be that years ago, woo-woo was like, oh, that's fluffy.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not really real or useful.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hug a tree.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hug a tree and stuff like that.
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  And so I think it's about embracing that we all have different
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  aspects of woo if
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  SPEAKER_00: we're open to that,
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  SPEAKER_00: like we're open to things that are non-ordinary.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  There's a lot of wonderful emerging technologies and practices
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  and awareness of
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  teachers now hitting more mainstream audiences with these
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  different wellness
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  SPEAKER_00: modalities and so forth.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you just look at the rise of biohacking and so forth.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I was on a media tour in the U.S.
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  last year and at a biohacking conference and I met with the
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  founders of the Biohack
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  Yourself magazine and their documentary filmmakers and having
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  wonderful impact all
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  SPEAKER_00: over the world,
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  SPEAKER_00: massive reach.
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  And I was supposed to be in one of their documentaries and I
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  had missed the filming
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  SPEAKER_00: window and I was talking to the director saying,
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  SPEAKER_00: oh,
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  SPEAKER_00: it's a shame,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: we can't do this filming.
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  And I said,
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  oh,
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  it'd be really cool if we could do a film about the whole
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  wellness industry.
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  SPEAKER_00: and named a few of the modalities.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he was like, oh yeah, all the woo-woo modalities.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, yeah, all the woo-woo.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he said, well, what would you call it?
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  SPEAKER_00: And I said, I don't know, the new woo.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so that's how the name kind of just happened.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was a bit of a download in the moment.
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  and so it was like okay well let's see let's let's put it out
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  so I shared it with
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  some you know people in my community a lot of the thought
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  leaders and practitioners
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  we already represent through the global accreditation body that
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  I run and founded
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  and so we started socializing the idea of putting this film
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  together and you know
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  very quickly pulled together an incredible cast of the world's
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  greatest thought
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  leaders in the human potential movement and founders and
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  pioneers of different
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  SPEAKER_00: natural therapy modalities
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  SPEAKER_00: And yeah,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  we start filming in October this year and building up this
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  incredible ecosystem
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  that celebrates the world of wellness and bringing it to our
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  mainstream audience.
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  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, it's been quite a journey for sure.
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  SPEAKER_02: Which I love and I love that you're bringing the new woo.
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  and I'm laughing because I was doing something in chat GPT and
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  I put in this prompt
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  to not be so nice and it said stop being so woo with this
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  actually it's like a
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  really hard point stop bringing this the woo into it that's
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  what actually what chat
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  fed back to me so it's become this term right of like oh don't
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  be so woo or that
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  sort of thing but it's like you can't turn it off it's just
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  like once you once you
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  SPEAKER_02: open the faucet it's it's gonna keep running
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's entering more mainstream and being in this space now,
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  I'm starting to see the use of that term everywhere and of
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  course it's like,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: if there's a particular car you want to purchase,
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  SPEAKER_00: you just see it everywhere,
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  SPEAKER_00: right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Because your mind is suddenly...
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  tuned into that thing so I mean I'm seeing woo everywhere I
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  look these days which
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  is great and not lots of people using the term so I think it's
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  a great name for the
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  film it's a bit tongue-in-cheek as well you know it's but it's
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  claiming yeah okay
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  SPEAKER_00: let's own the woo let's let's
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  SPEAKER_00: own the parts of us that are outside the usual.
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  So it has almost a bit of a rebellious aspect to it as well and
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  a disruptive aspect to it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's great, you know, because the world does need shaking up.
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  SPEAKER_00: We do need to, you know, get the mud from our
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  SPEAKER_00: and see another way of being in the world.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  through offering great services to help other people and to
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  elevate health that's
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  SPEAKER_00: not necessarily limited to a medical or pharmaceutical model.
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  SPEAKER_00: And,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: of course,
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  SPEAKER_00: these things definitely have their merits,
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  but it's also about how do we embrace complementary and
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  wellness therapies that
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  SPEAKER_00: some of them have,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: lineages of thousands of years old.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's about embracing both and, not either or.
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  and there's been lots of great people that have pioneered this
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  for decades.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I think humanity is really at this precipice, this turning point to
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  Embrace the world of the Wu and the world of wellness and to
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  bring this to the
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  SPEAKER_00: group consciousness,
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  SPEAKER_00: the collective consciousness.
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  SPEAKER_00: And a lot of the individual people that we have confirmed in the cast,
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  SPEAKER_00: people like Saad Guru,
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  SPEAKER_00: people like Jack Canfield,
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  SPEAKER_00: Michael Beckwith,
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  SPEAKER_00: they've built their own empires,
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  SPEAKER_00: you could say,
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  SPEAKER_00: but they're individually,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: they had their collective audiences.
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  SPEAKER_00: But it's like if we bring
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  SPEAKER_00: All of these four leaders into one ecosystem,
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  SPEAKER_00: it's not like a ship on the water,
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  SPEAKER_00: it's the actual tide that rises consciousness,
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  SPEAKER_00: that rises humanity to a new way of being in the world.
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  So that's the opportunity,
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  I think,
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  is this a great way to view reality through a new lens.
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  SPEAKER_00: to see that,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: it's not just about our own,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: what's in it for me and my survival and what can I get out of this?
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  SPEAKER_00: It's more about what can I give?
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  SPEAKER_00: How can I be a contribution in the world?
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  SPEAKER_00: How can we benefit each other,
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  SPEAKER_00: whether it's just my neighbor or my community or my city or the country?
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  SPEAKER_00: You know,
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  SPEAKER_00: like thinking big and thinking wide,
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  SPEAKER_00: that's where the greatest leverage lies,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know?
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  SPEAKER_00: So this is something I'm really excited to be part of.
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  And I feel it's very beautiful timing because it's reflecting
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  that shift of people
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  SPEAKER_02: starting to move away from just using Western or allopathic medicine,
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  SPEAKER_02: right?
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  They're starting to look at different things because those
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  systems are letting them
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  SPEAKER_02: down to a point because they're missing the holistic aspect of that care,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: and that there's other things that are at play.
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  SPEAKER_02: But then also the shift from a
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  you know frequency level you know everyone talks about moving
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  to this 5d and
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  everything and everyone has their own perspective of what that
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  looks like but no
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  one can deny there is this frequency shift where you talk to
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  more and more people
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  and people aren't as afraid of the woo anymore they're like oh
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  yeah you know you
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  know I was doing an oracle card reading the other day and
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  sometimes it's from
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  people so left field I'm like really you know and even I had
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  another client and she
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  SPEAKER_02: was saying that
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  she was asking for someone to come teach her more about plants
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  and connecting with
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  plants and one of her persons she walked in a very formal
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  business setting says oh
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  yeah I do all of that after work she's like no like she just
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  had no idea because
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  it's people learning to embrace that you know we've got that
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  duality component of
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  being human but at the same time there's still this fluidness
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  that is starting to
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  evolve of realizing that you know you don't have to be one or
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  the other your life
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  SPEAKER_02: can be
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  you know mixed with the both yeah absolutely i think that's
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  important to not work
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  you know walk in one camp or the other especially to embrace
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  life through the
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  mindset of curiosity and assuming we don't know all the answers
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  and i don't i'd
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  have never really met anybody that has right so it's like uh
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  yeah we we have this
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  SPEAKER_00: opportunity to
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  Identify Wellness through the lens of prevention rather than
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  being asymptomatic and
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_00: dealing with symptoms.
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  SPEAKER_00: So if we look at the Western allopathic model,
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  we're waiting till we get sick and then we go see our health
• 14:41
  professionals.
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  right or whether it's a doctor or allied health or
• 14:45
  pharmaceuticals or whatever it
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  is but it's like what if we are approaching life through the
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  lens of how do we
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  optimize our longevity and health and our diet our exercise
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  getting enough sunlight
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  like doing all the things that support our emotional well-being
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  as well because
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  that's obviously you know the mind and the emotions and body
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  are so deeply
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  SPEAKER_00: interconnected and a lot of the ancients knew this you know we
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  SPEAKER_00: We see,
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  SPEAKER_00: if we identify like a lot of the more ancient approaches to wellness,
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  SPEAKER_00: you would engage a physician or a medical practitioner,
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_00: whatever you want to call it,
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_00: particularly in the ancient sort of Asia,
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  SPEAKER_00: a physician would be retained
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_00: by the family to keep them well and so they'd pay while you were well.
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  SPEAKER_00: As soon as you got ill,
• 15:29
  you stopped paying and it was their job to return or restore
• 15:32
  you to wellness.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's a complete invert of the current model.
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  SPEAKER_00: So when we talk about what inputs come in and that means the food,
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  SPEAKER_00: the rest,
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_00: the positive thoughts,
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_00: not just what we say outwardly but what we say to ourselves internally,
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_00: this is incredibly powerful because we start to
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_00: Be in control of the creation of our world,
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  SPEAKER_00: how we create and how we show up with our friends,
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  SPEAKER_00: our family,
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_00: our communities.
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  SPEAKER_00: When that is dialed in from a place of being conscious and being aware,
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  we have an opportunity to take greater responsibility for our
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  health and wellness
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_00: and also how we show up in the world,
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  SPEAKER_00: in the marketplace,
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  SPEAKER_00: do the right thing.
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  If you look at all the religions,
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  they have this commonality around compassion and
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  you know do others as they would do for others as they would do
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  to you or whatever
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  the saying is but you know that idea that you know having the
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  right approach to
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  being kind in the world that is going to cultivate good
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  outcomes over time right
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  and it's about repetition too it's not like I do my one good
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  deed for the day or
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  the year or the month or whatever and then the rest of the day
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  I'm completely you
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  SPEAKER_00: know switched off
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm a terrible person to be around.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like,
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  SPEAKER_00: no,
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  SPEAKER_00: it's about a daily experience of bringing love and kindness,
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_00: a contribution in the world.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's where we get the, you know, it's like going to the gym.
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  You don't lift weights once a month and expect to,
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  you know,
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  have a miracle.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not going to happen like that.
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  It's through consistency over time that we leverage compassion
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  and we leverage
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  SPEAKER_00: kindness and cultivate good merit in ourselves.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that starts to naturally spill into our community.
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  yeah and I love that and it really does come back to the only
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  thing you can control
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  is you right so when you take control of what you're choosing
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  to put in your field
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  and what you're choosing to watch say and how you act around
• 17:34
  others then that can
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  ripple out I truly believe it can ripple out to other people
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  and it can lead to
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  SPEAKER_02: those shifts in in those around you and if it's not
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe look at the spaces you're putting yourself in as well,
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_02: and maybe you need to make change with that too.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and that takes courage, right?
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_00: So people often say, just be confident.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like, well, I can't be confident unless I have proof.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_00: And proof comes from showing up courageously in life.
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  And then through extending ourselves and pushing ourselves that
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  little bit extra,
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  and leaning into the fear or leaning into the challenge we get
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  you know the good
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  outcome and then that gives us the confidence so I always say
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  you know if there
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  were two pillars or really three I'd say one is definitely you
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  know show up with
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  kindness where possible two I would say show up with curiosity
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  because you know we
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  SPEAKER_00: might wake up in the morning and be deluded and think we know
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  SPEAKER_00: And usually we don't, right?
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_00: So like I'd say,
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  SPEAKER_00: be like superiors,
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  like what's it like from the other's perspective and what's
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  really potentially
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  SPEAKER_00: happening here?
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  And,
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  you know,
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  from that place,
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  we will build more muscle with confidence.
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  And the third,
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  of course,
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  is the aspect of being courageous in our life and that
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  means their doors open where they wouldn't otherwise because we
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  are actually
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_00: extending beyond the comfort zone.
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  SPEAKER_00: If we look at most of us as modern people in the first world,
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  SPEAKER_00: incredibly privileged,
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  SPEAKER_00: everything's like instantaneous and,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: we haven't had to work overly hard for it.
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  You don't have to go too far back in history to realize that
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  we're an incredibly
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  SPEAKER_00: privileged space with options.
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  SPEAKER_00: We switch on a tap and there's clean water and
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  SPEAKER_00: Switch on the light and there's light,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: we can go to our fridge,
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  SPEAKER_00: we can pretty much get whatever we've purchased,
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  SPEAKER_00: right?
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_00: So it's a very different situation to how it used to be.
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  SPEAKER_00: And yet we're so distracted, yet we're so disconnected.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know,
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  we have all this technology and everyone's got their heads in
• 19:31
  their phone and
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  SPEAKER_00: they're missing information.
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  you know the the beautiful uh experience of life unfolding all
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  around them you know
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  so i think it's it's about making sure there's a good measure
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  between identifying
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  where the human animal needs to come back to literally getting
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  your feet on the
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  grass and you know getting it back to grassroots and meaningful
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  connection that
• 19:53
  happens sitting across from you know your family and having a
• 19:57
  meal together not you
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  SPEAKER_00: know like we have a rule no no phones
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  SPEAKER_00: When we're eating, we're just literally away.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_00: And just that naturally conversation occurs,
• 20:07
  but otherwise we're in this constant state of distraction where
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  we miss the moment.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_00: I was with my family and we went to this fireworks display.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is a few weeks ago and there was a beautiful fireworks going.
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  I looked around and about 90% of the parents were filming the
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  fireworks and they
• 20:23
  were not just in the present moment watching this incredible
• 20:27
  thing unfold.
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  SPEAKER_00: You look at the kids,
• 20:29
  the kids are just looking there and completely attuned to
• 20:34
  what's unfolding.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're not trying to save the moment.
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  SPEAKER_00: And how many times do we video something incredible?
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  SPEAKER_00: We go back and maybe we watch it once, maybe we watch it never.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's quite interesting what happens with that.
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  Just looking through the lens of being present in life and not
• 20:52
  missing life because
• 20:53
  we're trying to capture it through something we'll never watch
• 20:56
  again anyway.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's really interesting.
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  Well that was like when my son was younger and he was a baby I
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  used to take a lot
• 21:03
  of photos and I just would send them to the grandparents but I
• 21:06
  was more taking them
• 21:07
  for my husband because he wasn't home you know and he was at
• 21:10
  work and so then when
• 21:12
  we flipped roles and I went back to work he didn't take many
• 21:15
  photos and then so the
• 21:17
  grandparents are like where are all the photos of our
• 21:18
  grandchild and I'm like
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, you can come and visit.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_02: And then they would come and visit and instead of spending time with him,
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_02: would start taking photos.
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  I'm just sitting there going,
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  oh my goodness,
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  just exactly like you said,
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  enjoy the moment.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they could have done that without coming over.
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  Yeah,
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  so I think it's,
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  you know,
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  media is an affliction for young and old,
• 21:42
  right?
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  SPEAKER_00: And I mean,
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  I think some of the boomer generation missed the boat with the
• 21:48
  tech or they might
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  SPEAKER_00: just have a little bit.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_00: Fathered, but not, you know, not super accomplished.
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  But,
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  you know,
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  certainly millennials onwards,
• 21:55
  it's,
• 21:56
  you know,
• 21:56
  it's rampant,
• 21:57
  right?
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_00: So I think having discipline around that,
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
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  even like charging or putting your phone in a room separate to
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  where you sleep.
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  Or getting off screens an hour before you go to bed and read an
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  actual book,
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_00: not on a tablet,
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_00: like something where you turn the pages,
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_00: like things like that,
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_00: that we can wind down,
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_00: we get good sleep.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that is the elixir of life.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know what we're like,
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_00: you can see why people say,
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_00: oh,
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_00: it's a form of torture to keep people up for a really long time.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_00: People start going out of their minds,
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_00: because,
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_00: sleep is so critical,
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_00: a quality of sleep.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_00: And when we don't sleep well, we're usually worried
• 22:37
  about the future or we're lamenting the past which we can't
• 22:40
  change you know so it's
• 22:41
  about having kindness towards ourself and forgiving ourself for
• 22:44
  the the things we
• 22:45
  did when we didn't know and if we do have the fortune to know
• 22:49
  better then we can
• 22:50
  say okay well this is what I want to dream into my future and
• 22:53
  what do I want to
• 22:53
  create that would be more meaningful so that my future self
• 22:56
  will come back not look
• 22:58
  back and lament the past but look back and congratulate me and
• 23:01
  say thank you for
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_00: doing
• 23:03
  the action or saying the thing or daring to say I love you or
• 23:06
  daring to say I'm
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_00: sorry or whatever it is,
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_00: right?
• 23:09
  Like that's the opportunity we all have and the beautiful thing
• 23:12
  about all this is
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_00: that it doesn't cost us anything.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_00: It just costs us with some courage and curiosity.
• 23:18
  So this is the gift that's there all the time and we miss it
• 23:22
  because we think,
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_00: oh,
• 23:22
  I've got to go do the course or I've got to pay the
• 23:24
  subscription or I've got to go
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_00: sit at the feet of the guru.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_00: Well, the guru is right here in the mirror, you know?
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_00: That's the saying,
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_00: you bring,
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 23:34
  all the zen that you looked for when you climbed the mountain
• 23:38
  to sit in the temple,
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_00: you carried it with you.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_00: It was always there.
• 23:42
  So my Buddhist teacher had a great saying and he just passed
• 23:46
  away actually a couple
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_00: of weeks ago,
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_00: which is a massive contribution he brought to the world.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_00: And he used to say to us,
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_00: he said,
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_00: if you could see yourself as I see you,
• 23:58
  you would be walking around with a mirror all day just looking
• 24:01
  in the mirror going,
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_00: oh my God,
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_00: so beautiful,
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_00: so beautiful.
• 24:04
  because it was like that he he was I wouldn't say he was
• 24:07
  completely enlightened I'd
• 24:08
  say he was very liberated but he could just treat you know he
• 24:12
  just met and saw
• 24:13
  people from their true nature and what a beautiful thing that
• 24:17
  is you know so I
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_00: think it's the idea to
• 24:20
  open our eyes and we do that by working on ourselves by
• 24:23
  improving ourselves seeing
• 24:24
  how we can heal our trauma elevate our awareness bring more
• 24:29
  consciousness into each
• 24:31
  moment then we get to experience the moment not miss it and
• 24:34
  then we've got
• 24:35
  something meaningful to give in the world as well yeah and it's
• 24:40
  it's all about that
• 24:41
  you know you're unique and you have something special to offer
• 24:44
  the world and also
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_02: again it's that
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_02: That whole thing of presence, right?
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_02: Like the more you can practice presence,
• 24:50
  the more you can be with yourself and you can be with the
• 24:53
  others around you.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_02: And,
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_02: and then I love that you brought up as well that,
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 24:58
  it's the courage to move forward and make those changes that
• 25:02
  you want to see in
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_02: your life.
• 25:04
  I think it's Mahatma Gandhi and he said you know be the change
• 25:06
  you want to see in
• 25:07
  the world I so love that that I live by that because it's like
• 25:11
  she on the previous
• 25:12
  recording I just had we were talking about this you know if you
• 25:15
  walk past rubbish
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_02: and you're constantly thinking I want someone should pick that rubbish up
• 25:20
  Well no one's going to pick that rubbish up because you're
• 25:22
  thinking about it you
• 25:23
  pick the rubbish up because if you don't start doing that no
• 25:27
  one else is going to
• 25:27
  pick rubbish up and I used to do this at my old office where I
• 25:31
  would pick up
• 25:32
  rubbish out the front if I had the space or the time and could
• 25:35
  do that and I
• 25:36
  purposely bring like this little garbage picker up thing
• 25:38
  because it was so bad
• 25:40
  and I actually was really becoming really sad about it I was
• 25:43
  like how am I the only
• 25:44
  one that's seeing this and concerned about it and then the next
• 25:48
  day Lawrence I was
• 25:50
  leaving and I didn't have time and I picked up a few things and
• 25:54
  then all these
• 25:55
  other people started picking up rubbish as well and I was like
• 25:58
  it happens it
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_02: happens but it was just holding on to that
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_02: and creating that change in my world so that other people could see,
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_02: yeah,
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_02: okay,
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_02: I can do that too and I can bring that back to me.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so that's it.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_00: That's absolutely wonderful.
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  So,
• 26:14
  you know,
• 26:15
  you're being the living example of the change you want to be.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so you demonstrate that, then others follow.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_00: So you give the invitation for others to
• 26:26
  make a contribution whether it's small or big it doesn't matter
• 26:29
  so this in Native
• 26:30
  American Indian tradition they talk about this concept of the
• 26:33
  caretaker philosophy
• 26:34
  and it's like when you come into a situation or an environment
• 26:38
  but also when you
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_00: meet somebody like if you can leave them better the way
• 26:42
  Better Than The Way You Found Them Or If You Can Come Into The
• 26:44
  Environment And Do
• 26:45
  That Little Bit Extra Extend Yourself Just That Bit More Then
• 26:49
  You're Making Some
• 26:50
  Small Imprint And Again It'S Usually Something Very
• 26:54
  Inconsequential Like It'S Small
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_00: But The Ripples Are Huge
• 26:58
  So it's this incredible opportunity we have in each moment to
• 27:01
  do just the right
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_00: thing and to do a bit more.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_00: That's asked, you know, to add a bit more value.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_00: We see that in business.
• 27:07
  If we have a fair or above expectation exchange with someone,
• 27:14
  then we,
• 27:15
  you know,
• 27:15
  we open doors.
• 27:17
  It's like if you go out to dinner and you get your meal and
• 27:21
  then based on the
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_00: experience,
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_00: you decide what kind of tip you want to give at the end.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_00: or no tip, right?
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, in the States, that would be like a huge insult, right?
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_00: I've had many stories, don't worry, I'll tell you another time.
• 27:35
  Being in the US and they're like,
• 27:38
  what are you doing or not tipping enough?
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_00: But the point I'm making is like,
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_00: what does it like to come into an interaction and actually tip before the
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_00: experience?
• 27:48
  What kind of service would you get if your person is coming to
• 27:52
  the table and you say,
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you and give them tippy feet before anything has even happened.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_00: What kind of interaction would occur?
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_00: And so it's really about like being courageously extending ourself into a
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_00: situation,
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_00: adding value and contributing and then seeing what happens to your world.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's absolutely phenomenal.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_00: But again, it takes courage, right?
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_00: Because we're so used to like, ooh,
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_00: you know what's in it for me and will they will it be met no show up with
• 28:22
  generosity and kindness and see what opens in your world it's
• 28:26
  absolutely phenomenal
• 28:28
  yeah a hundred percent and as we start to finish our time
• 28:31
  together Lawrence I know
• 28:32
  you've got so many wisdom nuggets there but we've got to we've
• 28:35
  got to wrap up I
• 28:36
  asked the guests that come on the show if you could heal or
• 28:39
  change something in the
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_02: world what would it be
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean, I've been pointing to some of these concepts, I suppose.
• 28:46
  It's showing up with this idea of what is my,
• 28:50
  probably two things,
• 28:50
  can I have two?
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_00: I'd say compassion.
• 28:53
  Yeah,
• 28:53
  show up from the place of compassion and the extension of
• 28:57
  compassion is contribution.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_00: So if I go from me to we, that's a very interesting conversation.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_00: That's a very interesting way to be in the world.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_00: That opens doors, that opens...
• 29:08
  connection it engenders love and you know the spirit of
• 29:13
  generosity and keeping that
• 29:14
  alive you know so I think that's there's some of the things
• 29:17
  that I would say that's
• 29:19
  that's the medicine the world needs right now yeah beautiful I
• 29:23
  love it and if
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  people want to come and connect with you Lawrence or find out
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  more about what work
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  you do or even where to keep an eye out for when your
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  documentary is released
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  SPEAKER_02: where's the best place they can go
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  Yeah,
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  well,
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  I'd say Instagram's a fairly reliable source for what I'm up
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  to.
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  So my handle is lawrence underscore elliard,
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  and I guess that'll be in the show notes.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you can also go to my website, lawrenceelliard.com.
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  A third shout out I guess would be for the global accreditation
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  body that we have
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  which is myiict.com so that's for any wellness practitioners
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  but yeah certainly
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  reaching out on any of those channels or you know you'll
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  probably get to talk to me
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  not you know an AI agent or something like that I'm very much
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  like old school let's
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  let's actually have conversation versus automating absolutely
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  everything but yeah
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  you know happy to to talk with people and you know riff on
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  ideas I think that's
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  SPEAKER_00: where the magic happens
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  I so agree and thank you Lawrence for sharing your journey and
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  your perspectives
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  and how you're creating impact as big a scale as you possibly
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  can so that you can
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  share and pay it forward and contribute right with compassion
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  so for everyone
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  listening if you enjoyed this episode please remember to like
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  share or subscribe or
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  if you're curious about what Lawrence is doing in the world or
• 30:41
  you want to know
• 30:41
  more about the IR please check out the links in the show notes
• 30:44
  they'll all be there
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  SPEAKER_02: for you
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  and Lawrence thank you again for sharing your time with me and
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  just your journey
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  and how you are who you are awesome well thank you and I'm so
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  grateful for what
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  you're bringing as well right because we need as many voices as
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  possible to make
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  positive change so amazing contribution on your side as well
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  thank you thank you
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  appreciate that hey beautiful souls I wanted to have a chat
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  with you about a really
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  SPEAKER_02: amazing
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  cacao that I drink to help me get in ceremony to help me ground
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  but also just
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  SPEAKER_02: because it tastes freaking good.
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  So if you're curious and want to know about drinking something
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  other than coffee or
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_02: your standard tea why not check out Creation Cacao.
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  I love this with a bit of honey and cinnamon sprinkled in and
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  just letting it brew
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  SPEAKER_02: and having that whole intention as you create this cup
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  So if you're curious about want to know more check out the link
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  in the show notes
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  SPEAKER_03: and enjoy your cup of cacao.
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