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Vegas hero driver 'Eric' & Natalee Holloway's bone update · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: February two thousand four, Maura Murray empties her bank account,
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Speaker 1: drives four hours from school, crashes her car, and vanishes.
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Speaker 1: Joined the search as an investigative reporter, uncovers new evidence,
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Speaker 1: interrogates new witnesses, traces down new leads in this riveting
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Speaker 1: x Him Triumph Channel one thirty two. A chillingly meticulous
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Speaker 1: plan put together by Stephen Pattock, which included weapons modified
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Speaker 1: into machine guns be fired off and on for somewhere
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Speaker 1: between nine and eleven minutes. He was perched high above
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Speaker 1: the roof ninety one Harvest Festivals. We finally realized to
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Speaker 1: his bullets when and Jason Aldean actually missed the lyrics
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Speaker 1: and was looking less and he kind of stopped singing
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Speaker 1: that the band was playing, and then he stuck and
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Speaker 1: ran off the stage. I turned around and looked at
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Speaker 1: my husband and we knelt down on the ground and
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Speaker 1: we immediately prayed. It was just amazing to see her
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Speaker 1: and kneel down and immedid we start praying, and I
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Speaker 1: dealt down with her and started praying as well. It
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Speaker 1: sounded like the closest thing I could imagine to be
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Speaker 1: in an a war. You're pretty much caged in there.
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Speaker 1: There was no way out. The gunshots were reverberating, so
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Speaker 1: he couldn't tell where they were coming from. And we
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Speaker 1: saw boots laying on the ground where people have literally
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Speaker 1: ran out of their boots just escaping the situation. Saw
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Speaker 1: a guy, a young guy, dropped down the street and
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Speaker 1: he just flagged them down. And this young man, his
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Speaker 1: name was Eric kept herd call was able to pick
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Speaker 1: us up on the street and he was he was
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Speaker 1: driving blind into it as well, he didn't know. He
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Speaker 1: took us back to our hotel. It was a couple
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Speaker 1: of blocks away, and before he left, he said, you know,
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Speaker 1: I just I live in that area and I'm going
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Speaker 1: to go back and see if I can get some
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Speaker 1: more people out of there. That's incredible. Whoever he is,
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Speaker 1: God bless him. We actually have his picture. She took
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Speaker 1: his picture when we got out of car, because he
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Speaker 1: was you send it to me and I'll pay it
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Speaker 1: on crime online. We'll try to find him and saying
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Speaker 1: him in the midst of all of the trauma, the
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Speaker 1: strown bodies out in the field, littered with trash and
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Speaker 1: shoes and fast food rappers, something good, something good has happened.
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Speaker 1: We did just that. We found the driver, the mysterious
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Speaker 1: driver that drove Barry and Josh to safety. I Meanancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is crime stories. Thank you for being with us,
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Speaker 1: with me. That mystery driver we have been searching for,
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Speaker 1: Eric Gomez is with us. Barry Adams, She and her
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Speaker 1: husband somehow managed to survive the Vegas massacre. Alexas Torres
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Speaker 1: Chuck investigative reporter with Radar Online dot Com and death
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Speaker 1: scene investigator, Professor forensics at Jacksonville State University, Joseph Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: and of course the Duke, Alan Duke joining me from
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Speaker 1: l A but most important with us, you. Thank you
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Speaker 1: for being with us. Barry Adams. Can you believe we
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Speaker 1: have somehow managed to find Eric Gomez. I cannot believe
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Speaker 1: that you found him. That is so amazing. I really
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Speaker 1: can't believe it either, Eric Gomez, thanks so much for
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Speaker 1: being with us. Eric. You know you're a hero. You
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Speaker 1: are a hero. You drove not only Barry and Josh
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Speaker 1: to safety, but others as well. Tell me your recollections
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Speaker 1: the night of the Vegas shootings. I want to hear
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Speaker 1: something good, Eric, before I go into the fact that
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Speaker 1: the Vegas shooter has now been sleeping with prostitutes offered
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Speaker 1: up by a Vegas casino news. His girlfriend always felt
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Speaker 1: nervous and jittery whenever she was around him, according to
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Speaker 1: family and friends, the way he mowed down hundreds of people.
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Speaker 1: Out of all that, I want to hear something good.
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Speaker 1: So tell me your story. Eric Gomez, Absolutely, thank you
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Speaker 1: and Nancy for having me. And of course, um, I
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Speaker 1: like to say I did very as well. I it
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Speaker 1: was a really crazy right, Um. I think I will
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Speaker 1: never forget this. Of course, it's something really crazy and unexpected. Um. Absolutely,
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Speaker 1: I just recalled, you know, um driving tours um the
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Speaker 1: street and seeing a bunch of people. I mean I've
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Speaker 1: seen thousands of people running towards my car. Of course,
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Speaker 1: I was going to freak out. I didn't know what
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Speaker 1: to do. Well, have you heard the bullets? Yeah? Did
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Speaker 1: you hear anything? I didn't hear anything. I was listening
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Speaker 1: to music, you know, commuting to my house. Um, and
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Speaker 1: of course I was never overhear or anything. Until I
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Speaker 1: saw everybody running towards my car. Um, you know, it
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Speaker 1: was like a sci fi movie. What time wasn't What
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Speaker 1: was that? I'm sorry? What time was it? Um? I
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Speaker 1: believe it was around seven pm. I really can't rea
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Speaker 1: all the time. I was just coming to my house.
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Speaker 1: It was dark, Yes it is. It was in the dark.
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Speaker 1: You're driving them on, listening to music, and you see
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Speaker 1: people running toward you, like the apocalypse, running towards your car.
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Speaker 1: What happened? Um? Actually, you know, everybody started knocking on
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Speaker 1: my windows asking for help, um, and telling me to
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Speaker 1: turn around, that there was a shooter. UM. I was
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Speaker 1: just speechless and I wasn't shocked for a little bit.
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Speaker 1: Then I saw Barry and Jason knocking my way on
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Speaker 1: my window to lit them in. I didn't hesitate in
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Speaker 1: my car, Eric Mass When you saw everybody running toward you,
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Speaker 1: you see Barry and her husband, Josh, What did they
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Speaker 1: look like? Uh? They were just petrified, really scared. I
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Speaker 1: just remember that he was really, um, you know, scratched
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Speaker 1: from her body. Um. They told me that they had to,
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Speaker 1: you know, put out defense, and I was just in shock.
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Speaker 1: Then what happened? Eric you see her all scratched up
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Speaker 1: and blading. Everybody is panicking, mamming on your car. What
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Speaker 1: did you do? You know a lot of people have
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Speaker 1: just driven off, and I'm not letting a stranger in
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Speaker 1: my car. No way go ahead, you know. UM, at
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Speaker 1: that point, things so many people. I wasn't able to
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Speaker 1: really think who I was going to let inside my
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Speaker 1: car because I knew something wrong was happening. Of course,
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Speaker 1: in that moment, I was just thinking about my family,
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Speaker 1: because I was asking where we're you know, I was asking, um,
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Speaker 1: everyone what was going on, and they told me it
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Speaker 1: was shooting. They learned they didn't know where it was
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Speaker 1: coming from, but it was near the Strip. I lived
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Speaker 1: near the Strip. My family lives near the Strip. We
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Speaker 1: actually lived in front of the men La Bay. To
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Speaker 1: my surprise, I was not even able to get home
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Speaker 1: because of all the traffic, of other people running, of
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Speaker 1: everybody screaming. It was unbearable. Honestly, I when I took
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Speaker 1: them to their hotel, the first thing I did was
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Speaker 1: to call my mom, call everyone to see if they
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Speaker 1: were safe. Um. I saw so many people crying and
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Speaker 1: limping and injured. Honestly, I offered so many people to
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Speaker 1: use my card to get to their hotels. But some
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Speaker 1: of them they're really scared, so they didn't know to
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Speaker 1: trust or not. UM. Honestly, I have no words to
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Speaker 1: explain this situation. It was something eric that you see people.
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Speaker 1: You saw people crying and limping and just were they
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Speaker 1: just sitting on the side, what were they doing there?
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Speaker 1: Really was just trying to look for a safe place. UM.
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Speaker 1: They didn't know where the shooting was coming from, and
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Speaker 1: I didn't either, So I was also scared for my life.
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Speaker 1: And when you refer to your family, who's your family?
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Speaker 1: My family was um actually at the shooting. UM. The
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Speaker 1: only thing that I can tell you that we were
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Speaker 1: really scared. When I called my aunt, she was the
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Speaker 1: one that picked up a phone and she said that
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Speaker 1: to not come to the house because there was a
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Speaker 1: shooting going on and that they were saved and they
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Speaker 1: would try to stay safe, but to not go there
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Speaker 1: because I don't know, it's just unexplainable. The feeling is
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Speaker 1: still there. Did you ever think that you would see
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Speaker 1: or hear from these people again? I honestly didn't know,
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Speaker 1: not at all. It will never pass in my mind
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Speaker 1: that will ever see them again. You know. The last
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Speaker 1: words that I remember, Um, I'm very telling me before
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Speaker 1: she got out of my car, was that if it
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Speaker 1: was okay for her to take a picture of me,
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Speaker 1: because she wanted to remember me forever. And she thanked me.
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Speaker 1: And I had no no words, of course too to
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Speaker 1: say anything to her, but to say goodbye and I
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Speaker 1: hope you guys get home safe. When they were in
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Speaker 1: your car, Eric Gomez now held as a hero across
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Speaker 1: the country. When they were in your car, what were
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Speaker 1: they saying? What was their demeanor? Um, they were, of
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Speaker 1: course really scared. UM. I remember very like Harley speaking.
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Speaker 1: She had a broken voice. UM. Of course I understand
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Speaker 1: why she was that way. Um. She was not even
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Speaker 1: able to speak at moments. She was just you know, thinking,
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Speaker 1: please can you get us in to to a hotel?
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Speaker 1: Please get it to a hotel, please. That's all I
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Speaker 1: remember her saying. Court. That was traumatic. Barry Adams is
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Speaker 1: with us, whose husband Josh managed to excuse me. Jason
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Speaker 1: managed to pull her to safety. And I've been thinking
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Speaker 1: about him, Barry and him standing there exposed in the
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Speaker 1: open as he tried to get you and some other
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Speaker 1: ladies over that huge fence. He was just standing there
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Speaker 1: as a shooter unleashed a hell of bullets and then
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Speaker 1: stop to help the other woman who got her legs
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Speaker 1: stuck in a fence and everybody was about the trampler
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Speaker 1: he stopped to help her. You stopped as well, Barry,
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Speaker 1: And then you find Eric. Here's my question, Barry, when
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Speaker 1: you hear him like what, I go through my life
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Speaker 1: every day not thinking about my fiance's murder because if
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Speaker 1: I do, if I let myself do it, it will
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Speaker 1: mess my head up for I don't even know how long,
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Speaker 1: maybe a day, maybe a week, maybe a month. And
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Speaker 1: I don't want to do that to my twins. I
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Speaker 1: want them to have a happy mommy, not a sad mommy.
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Speaker 1: So I don't think. I don't let myself think about it.
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Speaker 1: When you hear Eric recounting you bloody and scraped up
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Speaker 1: and your voice breaking in the car, what is going
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Speaker 1: through your mind? What are your recollections of that car
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Speaker 1: ride very that you took with your husband Jason? Well,
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Speaker 1: my recollection is very similar to what Eric just told you,
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Speaker 1: um and makes me very emotional. I haven't gotten very
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Speaker 1: emotional up until this point, but just hearing him tell
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Speaker 1: that story again makes me very emotional. I remember when
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Speaker 1: he let us in that car, when he opened that door,
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Speaker 1: it was the first time that I felt remotely safe.
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Speaker 1: And I was scared to get in the car because
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Speaker 1: I didn't know who he was. I didn't know, you know,
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Speaker 1: there's a shooter out there. I don't know how many,
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Speaker 1: but I was more scared not to get in that car.
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Speaker 1: And when I got in that car, it was the
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Speaker 1: best feeling in the world. Um, he did not hesitate,
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Speaker 1: like he said, he let us in and he was
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Speaker 1: so kind and he was so brave. I just, um,
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Speaker 1: I'm forever grateful, and I don't know how. I'm not
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Speaker 1: a documenter. Um, the last thing I would do is
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Speaker 1: pull out my phone and video what would have been happening.
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Speaker 1: But I knew I needed something good to hold onto
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Speaker 1: from that night, and that was the good that I
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Speaker 1: needed to hold onto forever. So I just asked him
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Speaker 1: to please take his picture. And I wanted to be
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Speaker 1: able to think him when I could form complete sentences
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Speaker 1: because I really couldn't talk. I couldn't. I just couldn't talk.
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Speaker 1: Just hearing the two of you. It's just I don't
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Speaker 1: know why. It's just so upsetting to me. Because it's
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Speaker 1: happy that you both lived and you have found each other.
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Speaker 1: It's happy. But when I think about that moment of
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Speaker 1: you running and you're bleeding in your with your husband,
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Speaker 1: I can just see the two of you holding hands
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Speaker 1: and you can still hear the bullets in the background,
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Speaker 1: and it just makes me think of all the people
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Speaker 1: that heard that and we're trying to get away, and
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Speaker 1: they didn't make it, and they lost their lives right
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Speaker 1: there in our great country where you think this wouldn't happen.
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Speaker 1: You know, you hear things stories like this about other countries,
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Speaker 1: you know, withs ISIS or uprisings or upheaval or unstable governments,
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Speaker 1: and you read the stories and it sounds so awful.
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Speaker 1: But here in our country, one of the greatest cities
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Speaker 1: tour response in the world. And I just think about
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Speaker 1: all the people that experienced what you did, but they
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Speaker 1: lost their lives. And think about you Berry trying to
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Speaker 1: get away and thinking he told me you immediately when
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Speaker 1: you realized it was good to fire, you got down
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Speaker 1: on your knees and started praying. And I think about
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Speaker 1: how many times that I have done that and your
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Speaker 1: prayers were answered, and um, you know, I mean I'm sorry,
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Speaker 1: I answer. Sorry to interrupt you, but I I am
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Speaker 1: proud to be an American. But the only thing that
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Speaker 1: I'm not proud is how the government doesn't really have
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Speaker 1: any solution to this, and it is a tragedy. And
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Speaker 1: I think we should all be aware that we need
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Speaker 1: conscious minds in the world. We need to put aside hatred,
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Speaker 1: start building a new place where we all feel safe,
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Speaker 1: especially for the children that our future. We need to
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Speaker 1: nurture and understand that violence is not the answer and
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Speaker 1: for America shouldn't be impossible to handle these situations improphibit
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Speaker 1: the gun to use. I think that's that's something that
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Speaker 1: we should be aware of any I hope somebody, the government,
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Speaker 1: I hope our president can really find its a way
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Speaker 1: to stop this because this should not be happy. That
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Speaker 1: you a right, I pray to God you're right. Um.
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Speaker 1: I'm very torn, always have been, because I'm a victim
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Speaker 1: of gun violence, as you two are now as well.
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Speaker 1: And why would someone need assault weapons. Why. On the
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Speaker 1: other hand, I've prosecuted so many crimes where it looks
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Speaker 1: like the only people normal people follow the laws and
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Speaker 1: follow the rules. It's only the bad guys that get
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Speaker 1: their hands on and create weapons like this. I don't
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Speaker 1: know the answer, but I agree with you, Eric that
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Speaker 1: there has to be an answer. I also want to
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Speaker 1: take this moment which I don't really get the chance
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Speaker 1: to do that much. And thank Alan, thank Jackie Lee,
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Speaker 1: all the wonderful people that joined together at Crime online
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Speaker 1: dot Com and Crime Stories here on Sirius, and thanks
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Speaker 1: serious for letting us somehow pulled together Barry and Eric,
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Speaker 1: because from now on their fates and their futures will
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Speaker 1: always be linked together. And Barry, it was such a
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Speaker 1: fluke that I found you. My daughter had had an
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Speaker 1: orthodonic emergency and we raced in and everyone was talking
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Speaker 1: about Vegas and what had happened. And my friend there,
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Speaker 1: who deals with my daughter, we were all sitting there
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Speaker 1: as she worked on Lucy, and she told me about you,
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Speaker 1: and that's how I found you. And then you told
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Speaker 1: us about Eric, and we've made a really big, scary,
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Speaker 1: cold world a little bit warmer today. You know, Eric,
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Speaker 1: I'm so grateful to meet you, and God willing will
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Speaker 1: meet in the flesh. Marry, Thank you, my friend, Thanks
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Speaker 1: for letting giving me the opportunity just to thank Eric again. Eric,
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for um just being so brave
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Speaker 1: and so kind and and letting us into your car
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Speaker 1: and taking us back to our hotel. It was just
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Speaker 1: such a I mean, it wasn't I don't know. There's
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Speaker 1: just not any work. It won't be right back with
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Speaker 1: Barry and Eric and joining in will be a luxus.
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Speaker 1: of survivors and thinking about those that didn't make it,
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Speaker 1: I almost feel sick to my stomach when I'm hearing
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Speaker 1: about the Vegas shooter. Um was sleeping with hookers offered
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Speaker 1: by cass he knows, according to reports, This makes me sick.
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Speaker 1: He's doing that ordering room service as he mounts his
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Speaker 1: weapons and prepares for the worst shooting in US history. Alexis,
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Speaker 1: what do we know? We also know he was camped
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Speaker 1: these rooms like he was such a high roller in Vegas.
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Speaker 1: He spent so much money gambling that the casinos gave
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Speaker 1: him rooms for free, to gave the meals for free,
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Speaker 1: and apparently, according to some reports, they gave him hookers
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Speaker 1: for free. And his girlfriend Mary Lou Danley, her sister's
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Speaker 1: boyfriend has spoken out and he has said that he
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Speaker 1: has no doubt in his mind he knows that when
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Speaker 1: Paddock was offered these hookers that he accepted them. He
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Speaker 1: said he was a creepy man, he was a mean man.
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Speaker 1: He was very mean to Mary Lou. And he said
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Speaker 1: he kept an arsenal of weapons in his home, not
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Speaker 1: a gun cabinet, which a lot of gun owners have.
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Speaker 1: My cousin has one. You have about six weapons in there,
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Speaker 1: an entire room of weapons, which we know because when
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Speaker 1: the police raided the home, they found all of them.
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Speaker 1: They found the thousands of browns of ammunition. And this
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Speaker 1: family member, his boyfriend says, this guy was somebody that
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Speaker 1: he thought was mean, he thought he was cold, and
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Speaker 1: he but he still said he was shocked by this
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Speaker 1: murder because he could never imagine Mary Lou being with
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Speaker 1: with somebody, and somebody that he's hung out with that
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Speaker 1: caused this mass murder. You know, it's it's a conundrum
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Speaker 1: people are close to killers, and I mean I was
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Speaker 1: thinking of b t K by torture kill. Uh. I
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Speaker 1: believe his name was Dennish Raider and he was a
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Speaker 1: dog catcher of all things, with a wife and a
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Speaker 1: family and nobody they had no idea what he really was.
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Speaker 1: To Joseph Scott, Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, Joe Scott,
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Speaker 1: that's funny how the people around these killers can be
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Speaker 1: so blind to what they're dealing with. But I did
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Speaker 1: notice this just Scott is very telling. Other people would
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Speaker 1: say they always felt nervous and jittery when they were
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Speaker 1: around him. The just some kind of freaky vibe he
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Speaker 1: gave off. And I mean, be honest, don't name them
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Speaker 1: right now, but don't you know people in life that
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Speaker 1: they just put you on edge. You never know if
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Speaker 1: they're going to be you know, I tell a joke,
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Speaker 1: it's kind of like a bully joke, or their sense
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Speaker 1: of humor is kind of like always got a kind
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Speaker 1: of a little bit of a mean edge to it,
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Speaker 1: or you just never know how they're going to react,
22:22
Speaker 1: or people like that, You know there are clues, Joe Scott,
22:27
Speaker 1: there are clues. Yeah, yeah, there are and uh, you know,
22:31
Speaker 1: I think they will term the old adages they set
22:33
Speaker 1: my teeth on edge when you're around certain people like that.
22:37
Speaker 1: I think that if the family and friends of this
22:39
Speaker 1: fellow retrospectively looked back, they might very well be able
22:43
Speaker 1: to see indicators, uh, in the past, with interactions they've had,
22:47
Speaker 1: within comments that he's made and this word thing, and
22:49
Speaker 1: lots of times with these types of cases, people become
22:52
Speaker 1: very reflective and sensitive to what they what they remember
22:56
Speaker 1: things he may have just said in passing. And sometimes
22:58
Speaker 1: when the police go back and interviews with these individuals
23:01
Speaker 1: these principles in their lives, um, they can begin to
23:04
Speaker 1: put a picture together. And this is a picture that
23:07
Speaker 1: up to this point is still incomplete. But I don't
23:10
Speaker 1: like the way it's going at this point. It's it's
23:12
Speaker 1: painting a very very dark image. You know what's funny,
23:15
Speaker 1: Alexis to rest Chuck Radar Online dot Com. I'm gonna
23:18
Speaker 1: be right back with Eric and Barry, who are with
23:20
Speaker 1: us who survived this. Alexis. I'm all about the Constitution.
23:25
Speaker 1: I have studied it. I know it like the back
23:26
Speaker 1: of my hand. It is a living and breathing document
23:29
Speaker 1: that protects us all and it does give us the
23:31
Speaker 1: right to bear arms. And I get it. I get it,
23:34
Speaker 1: we need the right to bear arms. But why is
23:37
Speaker 1: it so many freaks gun freaks. They're not out hunting
23:42
Speaker 1: or shooting or protecting themselves. They're freaks, and they'll have
23:45
Speaker 1: like an arsenal of weapons. Why and then they hide
23:49
Speaker 1: behind the right to bear arms. This is not what
23:52
Speaker 1: the founding fathers intended when they gave the right to
23:55
Speaker 1: bear arms. That was to protect American colonists against British
24:01
Speaker 1: officers and others. That's what that was about. You know,
24:06
Speaker 1: Stephen Paddock was very deceptive. I spoke with one of
24:10
Speaker 1: the gun owners the gun works in Dixie. Gun Works
24:13
Speaker 1: is actually the name of it in Nevada, which is
24:15
Speaker 1: about I'm sorry and Utah, which is about a forty
24:17
Speaker 1: five minute drive from where Paddock lived in Nevada. And
24:21
Speaker 1: they told me so. He came in there three different times,
24:24
Speaker 1: and they said, these guys have owned gun shops, they've
24:27
Speaker 1: owned this for over twenty years. They know their clients
24:30
Speaker 1: and their customers, and they said they never saw this
24:33
Speaker 1: about him. They said he was. They called him John Q. Neighbor.
24:37
Speaker 1: They said he was very nice, he was very respectful,
24:40
Speaker 1: and they questioned him extensively, which they do with everyone
24:43
Speaker 1: who purchases a gun. He passed all the background checks,
24:45
Speaker 1: of course, but they still talked to him, and he
24:47
Speaker 1: just said he just moved to the area. He was
24:50
Speaker 1: concerned about home defense. He just said, with the things
24:53
Speaker 1: that are going on in this world, defense he had
24:57
Speaker 1: that went off. The whole garage. Have you seen his house.
25:00
Speaker 1: I mean his garage is like I'm sure the neighbors
25:03
Speaker 1: love this. The whole garage is like plywooded shut. And
25:06
Speaker 1: that was that's where he barricaded all those guns and
25:09
Speaker 1: arsenal of weapons. And I mean he had pounds and
25:13
Speaker 1: pounds tennantite in his car. He could have blown up
25:17
Speaker 1: his car at any moment. How many people would that
25:19
Speaker 1: of kil That is not what the Constitution is talking about.
25:23
Speaker 1: And he but he hit it from people. He hit
25:25
Speaker 1: it from gun store owners. He hit it from so
25:27
Speaker 1: many people. He portrayed himself as just this awe shucks,
25:31
Speaker 1: down home guy who just you know, wanted to make
25:33
Speaker 1: sure that if somebody was banging on his door in
25:35
Speaker 1: the middle of the night that he would have a
25:36
Speaker 1: small weapon to protect himself. He was so deceptive, He
25:40
Speaker 1: is such a mastermind criminal that he was able to
25:43
Speaker 1: convince people who are in this business, who know they
25:46
Speaker 1: recognize people when they come in, and they did not
25:49
Speaker 1: see this at all. And three different occasions with him,
25:52
Speaker 1: you know, the gun store owner just got Morgan. The
25:57
Speaker 1: whole thing with the hookers and the guns and berating
26:02
Speaker 1: the girlfriending the people at the coffee shop. Can tell
26:04
Speaker 1: you that it's all about a feeling of power and control.
26:08
Speaker 1: And that's just what he had. When you look at
26:11
Speaker 1: the Mandalid Bay Hotel, the way he's broken out windows
26:17
Speaker 1: at two areas, it looks like, you know, just huge.
26:20
Speaker 1: They're huge penthouse rooms adjoined. So he had two gigantic rooms,
26:25
Speaker 1: you know, much bigger than my little apartment in New York.
26:28
Speaker 1: I mean huge, huge, huge, huge expands, bigger than homes
26:32
Speaker 1: for Pete's sake, And he had broken out windows on
26:34
Speaker 1: either end. He had the power, he had control over
26:38
Speaker 1: people like Berry Adams and Eric Gomez down below him,
26:41
Speaker 1: like ants, That's what I'm saying, Joe Scott Morgan. Yeah, yeah,
26:46
Speaker 1: And isn't it interesting that he kind of takes this, uh,
26:49
Speaker 1: this eagle eye view over over the crowd and is
26:53
Speaker 1: looking down well, well well above three feet in the air,
26:57
Speaker 1: down in a crowd of twenty two people that essentially
27:00
Speaker 1: are in a huge killbox. Let's not forget as well,
27:03
Speaker 1: and this needs to really be emphasized moving forward. This
27:06
Speaker 1: is not something that this guy just decided to do
27:09
Speaker 1: on a spur of a moment. This was a planned action, Nancy.
27:12
Speaker 1: He had over those period of days that he was
27:16
Speaker 1: in that hotel room. Let's just wrap our mind around this.
27:19
Speaker 1: He had transported roughly eight hundred pounds, eight hundred pounds
27:25
Speaker 1: worth of equipment up into that huge room that he had,
27:28
Speaker 1: which you know, by the way, is actually bigger than
27:30
Speaker 1: my home. Eighteen hundred square feet and eight hundred pounds.
27:34
Speaker 1: How do how do you even begin to do that?
27:36
Speaker 1: This took careful planning. He had picked up points along
27:40
Speaker 1: the way in order to to tap this particular area.
27:43
Speaker 1: And now it's coming out that apparently he had been
27:46
Speaker 1: scoping out other concert venues in other locations. Yes, that's
27:51
Speaker 1: what I'm hearing with me survivor Barry Adams and the
27:54
Speaker 1: hero driver Eric go Mans. Eric, you refused to take
27:59
Speaker 1: money that when you were offered money, by absolutely, I
28:04
Speaker 1: mean I wouldn't be able to be so heartless and
28:07
Speaker 1: not to do a favor that I know it's going
28:09
Speaker 1: to be this for somebody else. I think. I think
28:13
Speaker 1: it's no brainer, of course, to reject something that it's
28:16
Speaker 1: not supposed to be there. I it's it's something that
28:20
Speaker 1: I wouldn't do. I was not raised in a in
28:24
Speaker 1: a home where I'm trying to take at bachelor people.
28:27
Speaker 1: Of course not. My mom never told me that I
28:30
Speaker 1: wanted to say, of course that um that it's not
28:35
Speaker 1: capable of how everything happened. You can see the broken
28:39
Speaker 1: window from my room. In my room, it's actually closer
28:43
Speaker 1: than than the event where he was shooting at. So um,
28:48
Speaker 1: it's something crazy, something that it should have been prevented.
28:52
Speaker 1: I don't know how the security guards from the Metal
28:55
Speaker 1: with A didn't know that he broke a window. What
29:00
Speaker 1: you made by that? Yes, I mean there's a lot
29:04
Speaker 1: of security guards um throughout the property devil morale of course,
29:08
Speaker 1: just to check on that make sure everything he is trying. Um.
29:13
Speaker 1: I don't know how they did not find where he
29:16
Speaker 1: was shooting from because he can see from one of
29:19
Speaker 1: my cousin's videos. He can see the gunfires, and I
29:24
Speaker 1: don't know why the police was not able to really
29:26
Speaker 1: locate the shooter. I'm just wondering, Alexis to rest check
29:31
Speaker 1: writer online dot com if he broke out the windows
29:36
Speaker 1: right before he started shooting at people like Barry and Jason.
29:40
Speaker 1: I mean, it all probably happened so fast. I mean, Alexis,
29:43
Speaker 1: you can get off hundreds of rounds with an automatic
29:46
Speaker 1: and you know, just minutes. He was only shooting for
29:50
Speaker 1: about ten minutes, and he didn't he got I want
29:54
Speaker 1: to say, thousands of rounds out in the in those
29:57
Speaker 1: few minutes. I mean, hey, there were study done with
30:00
Speaker 1: where you they did. They listened to the recording and
30:02
Speaker 1: what he was shooting. He was shooting like a hundred
30:05
Speaker 1: bullets in seconds, I mean, just crazy things like that.
30:08
Speaker 1: So he was But the police actually that there was
30:11
Speaker 1: a security guard who actually was the first person at
30:14
Speaker 1: his room, and I believe it was within twelve minutes.
30:17
Speaker 1: They found him very quickly. They worked and he at
30:20
Speaker 1: that point had stopped shooting and they were trying to
30:22
Speaker 1: negotiate with him. He then exchanged gunfire. He shot through
30:26
Speaker 1: the door. He shot the security guard he shot another man.
30:28
Speaker 1: But the police actually did get there very quickly that
30:32
Speaker 1: I don't believe they broke into the room as quickly
30:34
Speaker 1: as perhaps we would have liked. But I think that
30:36
Speaker 1: as the professionals and what they were doing, they had
30:38
Speaker 1: stopped the outside gunfire and they were trying to negotiate
30:41
Speaker 1: with him, And I think everybody would have probably liked
30:43
Speaker 1: to have had him be alive and been arrested so
30:46
Speaker 1: that we could get an answer as to the reason
30:49
Speaker 1: behind this cruelty. But that didn't happen. He took his
30:52
Speaker 1: own life, but the police were there very quickly, and
30:54
Speaker 1: and it was a mantel security bullets at the security
30:58
Speaker 1: guard the shot him through the door. Through the door,
31:02
Speaker 1: you know, Barry Adams survivor. I want I wonder if
31:06
Speaker 1: you ever thought that would be attached to your name,
31:08
Speaker 1: Barry Adams survivor. You know, sometimes people break down after
31:14
Speaker 1: the danger has passed, because during the danger, all you
31:18
Speaker 1: you told me all you were thinking about was getting
31:21
Speaker 1: back home to your boys and did not want them
31:24
Speaker 1: to be raised without a mother. But now that you're
31:28
Speaker 1: safe and your home, what thoughts are going through your mind?
31:32
Speaker 1: Barry Adams. I think it's starting to settle in now
31:38
Speaker 1: for my husband and those we were just talking about
31:41
Speaker 1: this yesterday. We're starting to get a heavy feeling. You
31:45
Speaker 1: start to think about all of the people that didn't
31:48
Speaker 1: make it out. You start to wonder, why not you?
31:52
Speaker 1: Why them? You know, you realize that so many of
31:55
Speaker 1: them didn't even have a chance. He had gotten off
31:57
Speaker 1: so many rounds before anybody even your life. It was gunshots.
32:02
Speaker 1: Those people didn't even have a chance to run, you know,
32:04
Speaker 1: which was the only thing you could do, which run um.
32:09
Speaker 1: So it's it's starting to take a toll on us
32:12
Speaker 1: um and just become a heavy feeling. And then you
32:17
Speaker 1: start to think about, you know, things that you have
32:20
Speaker 1: planned in the future. We actually have concert tickets for
32:23
Speaker 1: sorta Georgia line coming up in just a few weeks,
32:26
Speaker 1: and you know, we have to make a decision. Are
32:30
Speaker 1: we gonna go through with that? Are we going to
32:33
Speaker 1: be afraid? Are we not going to be afraid? And
32:36
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts? What are you gonna do? We're
32:42
Speaker 1: gonna go. If we don't go, then he wins. You know, Barry,
32:48
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you said that. Eric go miz now
32:54
Speaker 1: Hill does he hero Berry Adams Alexis, Joe Scott, thank
32:59
Speaker 1: you friends. You spend your whole life working for your children.
33:05
Speaker 1: You know, people say, um, what do you do When
33:07
Speaker 1: I say, I worked for John, David and Lucy. They're
33:10
Speaker 1: my boss. I wake up in the morning, five thirty
33:13
Speaker 1: in the morning and hit the ground running trying to
33:16
Speaker 1: make their life great. Okay. Imagine you spend your life
33:21
Speaker 1: devoting it to your children, to your daughter, and um,
33:27
Speaker 1: she goes away on a high school senior trip and
33:30
Speaker 1: you're so proud that you could give her a trip
33:33
Speaker 1: that's probably pretty expensive, going on a fancy cruise to Aruba,
33:40
Speaker 1: and then you never see her again, alive or dead.
33:45
Speaker 1: That waving goodbye, that by my by dad, I'll see
33:48
Speaker 1: you in a week. That's it. That's your memory. You
33:54
Speaker 1: never see them again, dead or alive. I Nancy Grace,
33:59
Speaker 1: this is cry Stories. Thank you for being with us
34:03
Speaker 1: as we seemingly head to a new chapter in the
34:08
Speaker 1: search for Natalie Holloway. Joining me right now. Investigative reporter,
34:16
Speaker 1: five time Emmy Award winner Art Harris also with me,
34:22
Speaker 1: forensics investigator, Professor of Forensics at Jacksonville State University, Joe Scott,
34:27
Speaker 1: Morgan death scene investigator. We are now learning the very
34:34
Speaker 1: latest in the search for Natalie Holloway Art Harris. For
34:39
Speaker 1: those people just joining us that may not be familiar
34:42
Speaker 1: with Natalie's story, the straight a honor student from Alabama
34:48
Speaker 1: Mountain Brook Area already had a scholarship flag Girl. I'll
34:53
Speaker 1: never forget the video of her dancing out on the
34:56
Speaker 1: football field at halftime and our little dance Tuxsie with
35:00
Speaker 1: all her little friends just in a nutshell are if
35:04
Speaker 1: you could start at the beginning and bring me up
35:07
Speaker 1: to date, Joe Scott jumping when you need to, Okay, Nancy,
35:11
Speaker 1: she goes down to Aruba with high school classmates graduation trip.
35:16
Speaker 1: They are having a great time going to the bars
35:18
Speaker 1: of Ruba, and so she is going to giffing bars
35:22
Speaker 1: with the girls and winds of the place called Carlos
35:25
Speaker 1: and Charlie's is last seeing leaving with a tall a
35:30
Speaker 1: Reuben guy. Identify as you're in vander Slute, you know
35:33
Speaker 1: it's one of the first things you see. You can
35:35
Speaker 1: see it that the minute you see the island, you
35:37
Speaker 1: can see Carlos and Charlie's. It's not it's not hard
35:40
Speaker 1: to find, Okay. So she goes she's not alone. She's
35:43
Speaker 1: following all the rules that we put on people for
35:45
Speaker 1: a good reason. I'm right about that, Joe Scott. Don't
35:49
Speaker 1: go to bars and drink ladies by yourself. Is it fair?
35:54
Speaker 1: Is it fair? No? It's not fair that we have
35:56
Speaker 1: to live with those rules. Do you want to get
35:58
Speaker 1: a rufi at g h B, A Gamma Hi Joxy
36:01
Speaker 1: beauty rate date great drug in your drink? No, So
36:03
Speaker 1: stick with your friends and keep your drinks attended. Back
36:07
Speaker 1: to um, aren't Harris Police. So she's at Carlos and
36:10
Speaker 1: Charlie's with her friends, and she's last seen leaving. Her
36:14
Speaker 1: friends report leaving with with this guy and a couple
36:17
Speaker 1: of others, the Akalpo brothers, and there are and the
36:20
Speaker 1: judge's son, yourn Vander Slut Mayhew wrought in Hell. And
36:24
Speaker 1: I don't really feel bad about saying that Joe Scott.
36:27
Speaker 1: I think that she had already been slipped a g
36:30
Speaker 1: HB in her drink right then, because Natalie Holloway, to
36:33
Speaker 1: all of her friends and mother's accounts, had never once
36:37
Speaker 1: left with an unknown person. This is a rule follower,
36:41
Speaker 1: and I usually don't like that term because it makes
36:43
Speaker 1: you sound like your pigeonholed. What I mean is this
36:46
Speaker 1: is a girl who did what her parents asked. She
36:48
Speaker 1: wasn't somebody that snuck out at night or did drugs
36:51
Speaker 1: or got tattoos on her private parts. This was a
36:54
Speaker 1: good girl in the classic sense of the word. And
36:58
Speaker 1: suddenly she leaves with these right, And you know the
37:02
Speaker 1: thing about it is, you need to throw in one
37:03
Speaker 1: more word. Uh. At this age, it's not like she's
37:07
Speaker 1: a senior in college, all right, she's uh, you can
37:10
Speaker 1: still actually use this word innocent. And she she doesn't
37:13
Speaker 1: know this. This vander Sleut character is very worldly and
37:17
Speaker 1: and God only knows what else he's been involved in.
37:20
Speaker 1: And the thing about it, if this was g h B,
37:21
Speaker 1: which now we will never ever know, Uh, if this
37:25
Speaker 1: was g HB, you know, anybody can have their way
37:29
Speaker 1: with somebody with the stuff. It's that powerful. It's a hypnotic.
37:32
Speaker 1: It is that powerful of a drug. And Lord only
37:35
Speaker 1: knows what they can do or did with her at
37:37
Speaker 1: that point in time. So she's in the car. Go ahead,
37:42
Speaker 1: go ahead, dear, go ahead. Yeah. This was a common
37:45
Speaker 1: uh theme in Vandersloot's life. He would go to Parlison
37:48
Speaker 1: Charlie's and sources telling me that that she was not
37:50
Speaker 1: the first woman he had dosed as it were, so
37:54
Speaker 1: there they knew who he was. But but girls like
37:56
Speaker 1: Natalie did not know. Not to turn your head. You
37:58
Speaker 1: understand something, guys, and this is painting quite the picture.
38:03
Speaker 1: But when you are under the influence of g HB,
38:06
Speaker 1: a guy puts it in your drink and then they
38:10
Speaker 1: have relations with you, it is like, um, you're unconscious.
38:14
Speaker 1: You're it's like a bag of sand, you're just laying
38:17
Speaker 1: there right. Yes, yes, there's there's a They say that
38:22
Speaker 1: there's kind of a sleepy awareness, if you will. I
38:24
Speaker 1: think back to the you know, to the movie Rosemary's
38:27
Speaker 1: Baby where she wakes up in the nightmare and says,
38:29
Speaker 1: you know, I can't believe this is happening. There's nothing
38:31
Speaker 1: she can do about it. It's kind of like that,
38:33
Speaker 1: it is a hellish nightmare. Uh, there's only a slight awareness.
38:37
Speaker 1: Le let's think about it. This is on the same
38:39
Speaker 1: level almost with light anesthesia, if you will. And it's
38:44
Speaker 1: that's what makes it just a horrible set of circumstances.
38:47
Speaker 1: Can you imagine just being completely helped. I can't understand
38:50
Speaker 1: why a guy would be interested in that experience. But Okay,
38:53
Speaker 1: she's in the car, she leaves. Aren't what happens next, Nancy.
38:57
Speaker 1: They reportedly go to a beach where you're in at
39:02
Speaker 1: reports that she has had a seizure uh and chokes
39:07
Speaker 1: cotting to the trade on her own vomit. And then
39:10
Speaker 1: the question is what to do with the body. But
39:12
Speaker 1: I'd like to point out Aunt Harris that he told
39:15
Speaker 1: he described her underwear that she was wearing that night.
39:18
Speaker 1: So more than her choking on the beach happened, Another
39:22
Speaker 1: story he told was that she wanted to sleep with
39:25
Speaker 1: him and he said no right and left her there
39:29
Speaker 1: on the beach alone. Then there's the seizure story, then
39:33
Speaker 1: there's the underwear story. But what we know for sure
39:37
Speaker 1: all these stories come from you're in Vanderslout, the judge's son,
39:40
Speaker 1: the judge who covered up for his son. All we
39:43
Speaker 1: know for sure is she was never seen alive after
39:45
Speaker 1: that night by her friends or family. Now giant search ensued.
39:49
Speaker 1: Aunt Harris was there on the island of Aruba as
39:53
Speaker 1: I covered it live. Remember aren't you joined me practically
39:56
Speaker 1: every night on our achill In show and to this
40:01
Speaker 1: day bring me up to date. Now, Art Nancy. There
40:06
Speaker 1: were so many searches for her, uh that were led
40:10
Speaker 1: by tips from questionable characters who were friends with with Vanderslut.
40:14
Speaker 1: She was she was dumped in the ocean, she was buried,
40:19
Speaker 1: and the police did not find anything. So here we are.
40:24
Speaker 1: The Holloways are desperate to find out what happened to
40:27
Speaker 1: their daughter. No one can get answers from the Uruban
40:30
Speaker 1: authorities because everyone seems to be tied to your end's father,
40:35
Speaker 1: who is a very connected judge. And this is something
40:39
Speaker 1: that to this day, uh, you wonder what will be
40:43
Speaker 1: able to be pride out of that place on the case.
40:46
Speaker 1: But getting back to what we left out, one thing,
40:49
Speaker 1: five years to the day of her going missing. Stephanie
40:55
Speaker 1: Tasiana Flores, another beautiful young girl that you are Ander Salute,
41:00
Speaker 1: meets in a casino slash bar, is murdered by your
41:05
Speaker 1: Vander Salute. So there's two dead bodies. Okay, back to
41:09
Speaker 1: now in the search for Natalie in Peru and so
41:12
Speaker 1: he is in he is in prison, but before he
41:14
Speaker 1: leaves a Ruba, he is befriended by this character in
41:19
Speaker 1: our search for Natalie h a character named John who
41:23
Speaker 1: is becomes his friend and John's parents are. John's relatives
41:28
Speaker 1: have a business on the island of a Ruba in
41:32
Speaker 1: the real estate business. So John reaches out. He's smitten
41:36
Speaker 1: with your end like some groupie, contacts him and Orin
41:41
Speaker 1: doesn't respond, but finally he goes and he meets him
41:43
Speaker 1: in a Ruba and they become fast friends because he
41:46
Speaker 1: likes the same things as John. And finally John Urin
41:50
Speaker 1: trusts him enough to ask him to help him bury
41:55
Speaker 1: cover a dig up Natalie's bones to rebury them. Uh
41:59
Speaker 1: we now here uh someone in the States, here's this
42:03
Speaker 1: uh named Gabriel, who contacts Natalie's father and the hunt
42:10
Speaker 1: is on. There's a plan to go back to Aruba
42:15
Speaker 1: and see if this friend of your ends by now
42:20
Speaker 1: he's in prison in Peru, will lead them to the grave,
42:24
Speaker 1: lead them to sites where her remains can be found. Now,
42:27
Speaker 1: this is the guy yourn Vanderslute asked to dig up
42:30
Speaker 1: Nowly's remains and put them somewhere else. And according to reports,
42:36
Speaker 1: your Vanderslute then crushed the bones as best as he could,
42:40
Speaker 1: mixed them with dog remains, and tried to burn them.
42:45
Speaker 1: Remains were found, and this is what we hear about
42:50
Speaker 1: the bones. We're going to meet with Chief Richardson and
42:54
Speaker 1: his team to discuss the bones that were turned into
42:57
Speaker 1: him Gabriel several weeks ago. They had indicated they were
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Speaker 1: not human. Now what about the bones? Animal bones? What
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Speaker 1: kind of animal was it? You know, just animal bones,
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Speaker 1: not human bones. Is there any reports or anything you
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Speaker 1: don't give us about the bones? No, you have nothing.
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Speaker 1: That enforcement we don't give reports out the third party.
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Speaker 1: Can we look at them the bones? We've got to
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Speaker 1: get any question of doubt and we get up the bulls.
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Speaker 1: Can we got us? Okay, this is what what's happened.
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Speaker 1: It was the ribbon police are saying these bones are
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Speaker 1: animal bones, but they haven't had those bones long enough
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Speaker 1: to have them properly tested. So, you know, I have
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Speaker 1: my doubts, and I think what I will do is
43:48
Speaker 1: have the bones tested myself to make sure that they
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Speaker 1: are non human or exactly what they are. So the
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Speaker 1: fact that dog bones were mixed in not a surprise.
43:57
Speaker 1: We knew that you're in Van Slut had tried to
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Speaker 1: mix in dog bones with Natalie's remains. What effect would
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Speaker 1: that have? Joe Scott Morgan, this is gonna throw off
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Speaker 1: the testing Nancy, because we've got bones that are what
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Speaker 1: are referred to as co mingled, and so you will
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Speaker 1: get a it's good and that it gives us a
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Speaker 1: different type of result. We can, uh, you know, test
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Speaker 1: the d NA for the dog will look completely different
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Speaker 1: than the DNA for say a human. You got it,
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Speaker 1: so it would just throw off the test. Take a listen. Well,
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Speaker 1: one thing, the fact that there were dog bones really
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Speaker 1: corroborates part of what these informants were saying that you're
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Speaker 1: in vander Sloop did. Now this is the latest. A
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Speaker 1: world renowned doctor, a DNA expert here in the US
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Speaker 1: who worked at Ground zero, has established a DNA unit
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Speaker 1: at a college. It's Dr Kolkowski says the following. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen. When we actually took the DNA extract and
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Speaker 1: ran it through this screening process, it came back positive.
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Speaker 1: It came back human. No, I'm not you say those
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Speaker 1: are human bounds. There is human DNA and these bone samples. Yes,
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Speaker 1: as to which one of the four is human? Are
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Speaker 1: all of them? That's where some additional testing is going
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Speaker 1: to need to be done. So these are human bounds human,
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Speaker 1: there's human mitochondrial DNA and these bones and that I
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Speaker 1: think is fairly significant. Yeah, I wouldn't expect the nation.
45:36
Speaker 1: And there's even a more interesting aspect here. So the
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Speaker 1: test we ran right now is designed to screen in
45:42
Speaker 1: a very broadway just look to see if there's any
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Speaker 1: human mitochondria there. It's really interesting because not only does
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Speaker 1: it align perfectly to our standard reference sequence that we
45:51
Speaker 1: use in MITO, there are no differences to the reference sequence.
45:55
Speaker 1: The reference sequence was actually built on a European Caucasian
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Speaker 1: d A sequence of fact here is that that's the
46:03
Speaker 1: that's the ancestry that we're questioning. Yeah, you caught me
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Speaker 1: by surprise. I never expected this. All of these dominoes
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Speaker 1: are tipping over the right way telling us that we
46:18
Speaker 1: need to proceed forward with some testing. There's a possibility though,
46:21
Speaker 1: that this could be somebody else. There is take a
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Speaker 1: listen to Dave Holloway, this is Natalie's father. They're human
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Speaker 1: bones and they're from either Natalie or somebody else. And uh,
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Speaker 1: basically it's inconclusive. So um, he wouldn't he wouldn't know
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Speaker 1: until October the sixth, that um, until they see DNA
46:44
Speaker 1: on each each individual bone. So that's where there aren't
46:48
Speaker 1: out so So there you hear Natalie Holloway's father who
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Speaker 1: has been on a quest since his daughter disappeared. I've
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Speaker 1: spoken with him many many times. He's traveled the world
46:58
Speaker 1: as far as Nick roa Qua trying to find out
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Speaker 1: what happened to his daughter. So Art Harris, after all this,
47:08
Speaker 1: all of this, we learned that it's not Natalie, but
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Speaker 1: there is human mitochondrial DNA of an Eastern European descent woman. Yes,
47:21
Speaker 1: that's right, Nancy. This raises questions, who is this victim?
47:26
Speaker 1: Who is this woman who it was supposedly dug up
47:31
Speaker 1: near his house? Was this possibly another victim of yourn
47:36
Speaker 1: vander Salute. We do not know that. I'm just sick.
47:39
Speaker 1: Are I'm sick? A that it's not Natalie, and b
47:43
Speaker 1: that this is another woman that you're in Vander Salute
47:46
Speaker 1: had dug up and her remains hidden, I mean and destroyed.
47:51
Speaker 1: This is the response from a Reuben police. We're going
47:55
Speaker 1: to solve this game is one of these days. Because
47:57
Speaker 1: it's an ongoing investigation. We're up, we end up. I
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Speaker 1: want reveal everything, but let's put it like this. We
48:04
Speaker 1: obtained a lot of information and have a lot of information,
48:07
Speaker 1: and we didn't give up. So there you hear a
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Speaker 1: Ruben police saying they have information we don't know about
48:14
Speaker 1: and someday the case and Natalie Holloway will be solved.
48:18
Speaker 1: Well not if they have anything to do with it.
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