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(Transcribed by TurboScribe. Go Unlimited to remove this message.) He's Rick Tyler, and he's Dan Cashman.
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In Maine, we often hear, you can't get there from here.
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These are the stories of the risk takers, the trailblazers, those who turn obstacles
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into opportunities every day and found their way to get there from here.
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And today, they're on the Rick and Dan show.
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Are you the same guy you were 10 years ago?
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I don't know that I think about that.
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Well, now that I've asked you the question, now you've got to think about it.
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Well, I know, and I don't know that I want to.
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I just had a conversation with somebody about how deep I am.
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And I don't think of myself as a deep person, because I try very hard to live in the moment.
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And I try very hard to live in that moment through every situation, whether good or bad,
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and appreciate it for what it is, and try not to get too hung up on future casting or
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what's happened in the past.
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So I don't know that I have thought of this question until you just asked it to me.
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And I think any answer I give you would be a knee-jerk reaction.
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Well, let me ask you this.
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Have you always been that way?
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Have you always been, I must be in the present, I don't want a future cast, I can't dwell
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on the past.
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Have you always been that way?
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I think so.
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Really?
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Maybe not, but I think so.
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And I think about moments in my life, high school, high school graduation, college, college
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graduation, when I started my business.
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I pushed back so hard on a five-year plan.
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I did not want a five-year plan, because I was thinking, if I get too stuck in what the
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five-year plan looks at, then I don't know that I would take an opportunity to grow if
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it's not part of that five-year plan.
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And I just, the way that I think about things, because of my day job here at Sutherland Weston
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in public relations, I do try to analyze things for what could go right, what could go wrong.
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But I don't know that I analyze things from the perspective of looking back 10 years, looking
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ahead 10 years.
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It's very much in the moment.
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And I would say our world has changed from 10 years ago.
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So am I a different person?
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Quite possibly.
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What year is this?
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2026.
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So that would be 2016.
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So yeah, I had a one-year-old and a five-year-old, four-year-old, going to be five later in the
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year.
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So yeah, I must have been a different person then.
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This is a really long answer and not what you are looking for, I'm sure.
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It is what I'm looking for, because you intentionally did not put a plan in stone.
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You planned for the necessary flexibility to reinvent yourself if necessary.
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Yeah, because I don't know what's going to happen.
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And I did that with my business.
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I did that with the television show.
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I had a goal, a very broad goal, to get that show on statewide.
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And we did.
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But if you had come to me in 2010 when we started The Night Show.
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I did, as a matter of fact.
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You did.
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We actually came to each other a lot.
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We still do.
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And said, what's your financial outlook for this?
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And what are you looking for in terms of ratings?
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And what are you...
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I didn't know and I didn't care.
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My goal was to expand it statewide, but the immediate goal was to have fun on television.
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And we could control that every single time we recorded.
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And if we didn't have fun on television, then we had to make darn sure that we did the next
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time we recorded.
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So, some plans, some policies were in place and in stone.
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Hey, if we don't nail this, we're going to do better next time.
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But you still had the flexibility, again, I go back to the term, to reinvent yourself.
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How many times have you had to reinvent yourself?
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I don't know that I have.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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Let me take you back to when I first met you, when you weighed about four times the amount
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you are right now.
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And that's not a joke.
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I had three of me inside of me.
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And you were not only pursuing your dream and your passion of a television program,
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you were also working in radio.
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And you departed radio for a time.
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I did.
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And worked in the world of politics.
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And at some point you returned sort of fully to broadcasting because the show had gone
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and then came back.
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Today you are still a broadcaster in a public marketing and community relations professional.
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I've seen you reinvent yourself at least once, twice.
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The time you did work for the Blue Ox, do I count that one as well?
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But I think through it all, you're talking about professions.
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Yes.
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I'm talking about professional reinvention, which is what I think we all have to do, whether
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we like it or not.
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But I think going back to your question about whether or not I'm the same person today as
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I was 10 years ago, I think the foundation that I have had is still the same.
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Which is good because if you don't have a foundation, slightest tremor, you're going
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to collapse.
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Right.
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But that foundation is something that I don't talk about.
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The foundation is to live every day to the fullest.
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You never know when it's going to be your last day.
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So I try to do that.
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It is to try and have fun with everything.
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No matter how difficult it is, try and have some fun.
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It is to treat others the way that you want to be treated.
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And I'm sorry.
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Could you go back to that last one again?
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Because I'm thinking about some of the podcasts that you and I have shared together and you
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know, treated me a sip of water and think about, I need to think about, do you also
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trade barbs with me when I trade barbs with you?
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Oh no.
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I'm the innocent victim every time.
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No, that's not true.
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But I will say that the reason why I poke fun of you and other coworkers and people on
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the show is because I love it when people do it to me.
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I love a good laugh and it doesn't matter if it's at my expense or somebody else's
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expense unless they are very much down on their luck.
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In my opinion, if we're friends, it's fair game to have fun.
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As long as it's funny, it doesn't matter to me.
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I always in my head go for the laugh first.
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Now I have a filter.
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I've developed a filter.
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One, if it's not funny, I don't go there.
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Two, sometimes I think things are funny that are not.
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Three, sometimes the setting that we're in is not appropriate.
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I can think of a few times on the show that we were having a serious moment with a guest
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and an idea popped into my head that I knew would get a laugh and I left it alone because
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I thought this is not the right time because they are on a roll with something and it's
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a moment that just didn't need to be funny.
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And so I put it, I just put it in the back of my head and just left it.
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But my brain instinctively at this point goes to what's going to be funny.
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And not everybody likes that.
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I have found very few people like that, in fact, but that's where my head goes.
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So when having a policy in stone that says I'm having no policy in stone, I'm going to
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remain flexible enough so I can reinvent and I can enjoy life in the moment.
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I'm wondering what challenges come with that.
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I think you're thinking too hard about it.
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I don't have a policy in stone.
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I just, I live every day because that's, that's what I want to do.
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I'm not crazy about it.
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I have been working here at Sutherland Weston for 10 and a half years.
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I'm not the type of person that lives every day to say, I've spent three days in this
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job.
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I'm going to go look for something else now.
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I am a, like I'm stable about it, but I also recognize that you only get one chance to
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go through this life that we know of.
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So make the most of it.
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And if that means doing something that looks outwardly like reinventing yourself, okay,
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that's fine.
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But I have figured I still have the same foundation and ideals that I had 10 years ago, but I
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probably behave differently because like I said, I have a, I don't have a one year
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old anymore.
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So I tell a few fewer fart jokes.
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I still tell them.
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The audience is different though.
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I recognize I have to play to the audience.
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But what about you?
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I don't make fart jokes.
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You should, because we might laugh at those.
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You've reinvented yourself.
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I've had to.
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You've had to, but I don't know about that.
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So you, your career path, you were damaging the tune buggy at Kiss 94 FM back in the day
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and then twice and then Kiss in the seventies.
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And then you went on to do the weather at ABC seven.
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I think at the time it was news channel seven.
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And then you went on to do the news at whatever they called news center main back then.
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Just news center.
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I guess new center.
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Yep.
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And then you were doing news and weather and anchoring.
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And then you went on to do news talk radio and I see those as a great reinvention of
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oneself publicly.
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That's the reinvention I guess I was talking about, but you brought up the point that there's
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personal reinvention and this professional reinvention.
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I'd like to think that personally, I haven't had to reinvent myself to too much, but it's
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the forced professional reinvention that I think happens to everyone in their career.
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Probably when I was a kid, I grew up pretending I had a radio station in the basements.
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Always me too.
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Always.
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What was the name of yours?
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Oh, mine was WDAM.
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People were listening for me, not for the hits.
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I was WRNR for rock and roll.
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Nice.
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And I even picked the frequency as 100.
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So ours, ours, like we had a staff.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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We had Linda in the front and then, uh, yeah, this girl, uh, Sally was doing mid days for
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us.
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She was great.
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No, it was, uh, I didn't understand that the frequency had to be an odd number.
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So I picked one that I knew nobody had 103.6.
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I didn't even do the 0.6.
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Yeah.
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I was just somewhere around 100 because I'm older than you and at the time you were just
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tuning in manually.
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There was no digital tuning.
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Right.
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That's cool.
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It's a little staticky, but it's close enough.
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Is that Starbuck?
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Moonlight feels right.
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Sounds like it.
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Ah, just a little.
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Oh, it is.
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Um, what, what was your format?
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All rock and roll or rock and roll.
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Did you deviate?
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I deviated.
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I was, I was today's format of adult hits.
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I was way ahead of my time.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Uh, no adult.
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So like, like the Frank FM that plays everything that was sort of my format.
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Oh, okay.
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Yeah.
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So I was playing everything from John Davidson hit cause he only had one to Huey Lewis in
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the news.
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A lot of Michael Jackson, some Tone Loke made its way into it, uh, into the playlist.
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So it was pretty diverse and ahead of its time.
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I was WRNR 100, 100 WRNR, 100% rock and roll and, and I would do the liners like that and
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I took a piece of paper and I took thumbtacks and press them up under them.
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So it looked like toggle switches in front of me and I would go and I would click and
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I would click them and my dad would say, what are you doing?
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I'm like broadcasting.
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Right.
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And then eventually got the first full time gig, got fired, went to college, was doing
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the college radio and my summertime job was working at Jed's restaurant in Belfast.
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Jed's RIP.
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The day that I was scrubbing the bottom of the boat with bleach, ruining my yellow t-shirt
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as it dripped on me, I got home and I was just beat and I sat down and I was too tired
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to talk and my mom and dad were on the opposite side of the living room and they were looking
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at me.
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And finally I said, is something wrong?
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And dad let out a sigh and he looked at my mom and he said, you tell him.
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I'm scared.
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I'm like, something's gone wrong.
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And she said, Tom Shepard from Kiss 94 FM called and he wants you to give him a call.
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Whoa.
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I'd forgotten all about scrubbing the bottom of the Cathy K with bleach.
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Yeah.
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I picked up the phone and the next day I drove from Belfast to Ellsworth.
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There was a rip in the crotch of my painter's pants jeans.
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And as I sat at a table across from Tim Moore, who's now the president of Maine Association
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of Broadcasters, I sat with my legs as close together as possible and my hands wedged in.
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And it was a Friday and I did the interview and Tim said, come back here at midnight.
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I did one break and Tim stumbled in and he said, yeah, you sound like you're fine.
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I'll be back here at six.
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And he left.
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And I'm like, you're going to trust me to do this?
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Everything was, was carts there, right?
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Everything was carts.
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Everything was live.
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And did you have like a playlist that you had to adhere to?
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With the clocks there, you know, play a green, play a power, play a yellow.
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And so for people not in the industry, what that means is the carts would have colors
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on them.
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A color segment rotation.
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And so the, the, the color green might, what was, was that currents or was that a, like
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gold?
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It's archive tits.
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Archive tits.
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Yeah.
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Recent, recent archive tits.
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I said that too fast and it made me laugh.
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See, it's the, it's the modern fart joke for a 48 year old.
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But anyway, all that to say that I got to reinvent myself from kid that wanted to be
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in radio.
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The kid that was in radio got let go from radio, went to college, did college radio.
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Wow.
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Then started working again full-time.
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And by the time I was in college, I remember my junior, my senior year, I was working part-time
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at channel two, part-time at Kiss FM and then going to college full-time and then got out
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and went to radio full-time.
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Two questions for you.
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One, did those jobs feel like jobs?
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Because knowing you as I know you, you loved and love that work.
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You're absolutely right.
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And point two, did you feel like you were reinventing yourself in those times even back
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then?
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Yes.
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Really?
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Yes.
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Really?
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Not personally, but professionally.
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Because I'm going to, Tim Moore, Mark Osborne, Stu Marcoon, they were fun, but they were
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professional.
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Sure.
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And they had a very, let me use the word strict, let me use the word strict, but not in like
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a, this is going to slap your knuckles with a ruler.
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Very gentle, very understanding, but this is the way we do this.
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And the sound that Kiss 94 FM had was adult, bright, and friendly, never down, never dark.
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I never would have made it there.
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And I would, now listen, I would listen to you on Z107.3 and I would hear someone much
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different, someone sharp, someone in a good way, forceful, present, in the Z workforce,
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right?
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Yeah.
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When you were on mid days.
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Yep.
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I was.
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And then what was the, during the noontime, it wasn't the back in the day cafe.
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It was.
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It evolved to that, but it was the 80s retro lunch hour when it first, when I first started
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there.
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Yeah.
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And if you were lucky, you heard Pac-Man Fever by Buckner and Garcia.
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Which was not approved by corporate, by the way.
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I would slip that in.
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This is back before they could stream us.
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So there were a lot of things that were not approved by corporate.
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No clue.
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Isn't the best shows we ever had were the days when the bosses were away.
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Yeah.
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When our corporate consultant would fly into town, that playlist was tight.
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But when he was not there, that 80s hour was all gloves.
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All bets were off.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Bare naked ladies.
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Well, that would have been, I mean, that was an 80s, but, but that would have, that would
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have been a, if I had a million dollars, they would have been fine with that.
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But I was, I was playing some deep cuts from like Tiffany that nobody remembered.
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One song I always.
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Like what?
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Could have been?
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No, no.
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I don't even remember.
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I had, we had a cassette player back then, so I loaded in a couple of songs that I knew
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that I liked from her cassette into our computer system.
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So and I.
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How was the audio fidelity transfer on that?
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Not so good.
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I didn't think so.
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Not so good.
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But, but yeah, I would, I would play some deep cuts in that.
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And you know, I appreciate you saying that, but the, the, the type of stuff that I, I
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got the opportunity to do at Z107.3 was because there was little oversight creatively.
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So Bob Duchesne was my boss for a time and he put the trust in the people working for
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him to be creative.
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And I am forever grateful about that.
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However, the things that I thought were creative didn't necessarily translate to ratings successes.
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And one time I had an idea during the afternoon show to do a live remote, which the, the remote
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broadcast is when somebody is out somewhere on the road and then the person in the studio
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will throw to the person on the road to promote.
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Les Nesman's at the shopping mall watching the turkeys fall from the helicopter.
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Right, exactly.
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And most times if you listen to Kiss, you'd get Jordan's dogs on Nissen Rolls with ice
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cold Coca-Cola and free balloons for the kids from Taylor Rental Party Plus.
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Exactly.
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So I had an idea.
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It would be fun to do a remote from our first floor men's room.
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And kind of echoey, no, the acoustics were great.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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And I, but I, I set up back then cell phones weren't what we use because the technology
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wasn't great.
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So I said we had this thing that most radio stations had called a Marty and it would send
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a signal back to a tower and then that would go back to the studio comes up on the board.
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So I set up the Marty in the hallway outside the men's room with a mic cord going in.
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Nobody in the building cared.
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It was just, oh, they must be doing something.
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So it was, you were in the bathroom.
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Yeah.
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And Kid was on the air.
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This is where the fartokes came from.
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Always.
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Yeah, for sure.
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And he threw to me three times an hour for three hours and I'd just be like, yeah.
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Did you actually sit in there the entire time?
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My office was right outside it.
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So I would, I would.
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You had an opportunity to actually get some work done.
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I would get some work done.
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You were doing your business while you were doing your business.
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Exactly.
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But to the listener, I was just in the bathroom for three hours.
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I'm sure people grew tired of that bit.
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I'm tired of talking about it already.
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But it was stuff like that that just seemed fun at the time.
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And we were just able to do it.
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We had unlimited creative control with the exception of the music.
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Kid was the music director and he did a great job, an absolute great job calling out hits
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before they were hits.
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And he was always so good about that.
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We were right on top of music.
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But then corporate would sort of, actually the consultant we had at the time was, was
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pretty good.
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But eventually corporate sort of took over a little bit more than I think any radio station
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would like.
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Let me take this on a dark turn and talk about reinvention again.
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Because the Dan that I knew that I could come occasionally visit in the studio at Z107.3
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was the same Dan that one day had to give me the Sam Seaborn smackdown.
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Because at the time you had left radio and you were working for, as I recall, Governor
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John Baldacci.
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I don't know if I was yet.
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Well, why would you have been giving me the Sam Seaborn smackdown?
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Because you were talking about, what was it?
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I thought it was DeRigo Health.
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Yes.
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And the reason I gave it to you was because my aunt was going through, and I might get
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some of the details of this wrong.
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Your memory is far better than mine on things that happened 20 years ago.
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My aunt was going through cancer treatments and DeRigo Health basically is why she was
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and is still alive.
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And I remember talking to you about that, saying, it is not all bad.
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It has literally saved my aunt's life.
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And I don't think I was working in the administration yet.
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You were wearing a tie.
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Then maybe I was, or maybe I had just come from a funeral.
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You want to play that card?
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Hey, if you want to remember it this way.
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I don't know, but maybe I was.
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But I know that it was more about my aunt.
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And if I was working in the administration, it was less about that.
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I really recall, and maybe I'm wrong.
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And if I am, I will stand corrected.
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I was under the impression and the recollection you were working for the administration of
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John Baldacci and the work that, her name is going to elude me.
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She just got a university of Maine alumni award for her work in crafting DeRigo Health.
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Really, it was kind of the blueprint for what would eventually be the Affordable Care Act.
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It was like a precursor of it.
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And I remember that Elizabeth and I needed healthcare coverage.
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So we looked into DeRigo Health and it wasn't even going to come close to working for us.
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And then I started talking to others and they told me, no, it doesn't work.
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And here's why it doesn't.
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And this is why it isn't going to.
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I don't want to dig a past policy, but I had since reinvented myself again.
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And it's, this was in that time of I was in television.
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I quit everything.
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And I joined Elizabeth to start then Blue Paper Communications.
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There was a time I was out of broadcasting.
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But you must've been on the radio because I wouldn't have known.
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I was not on the radio.
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So why would I have known your thoughts on it?
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No, this didn't happen until I had gone back to radio and I went to work in talk radio.
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And suddenly my job was to ask questions.
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Yeah.
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Well, does it work for everyone?
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No.
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Why doesn't it work for everyone?
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Well, if it doesn't work for everyone, why should everyone have to pay into it?
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And then, and for those that don't understand the reference, Sam Seaborne, Smackdown, one
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of our favorite, our mutual favorite television shows along with Ed and several others was
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the West Wing.
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Which I had not seen at the time.
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So I really had no idea who or what you were talking about, but I went with it because I
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was passionate about my aunt.
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Yeah.
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And Sam Seaborne was a character in the Bartlett administration in the West Wing.
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And when someone had to be told to stop or think twice about what you're doing, it was
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Sam's job to go talk to them.
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And then there's an episode where someone says, am I getting the Sam Seaborne Smackdown?
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And Sam Seaborne, who was, that wasn't Rob Lowe's character, wasn't it?
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I think it was.
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It was.
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Yeah.
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And he had to say, yeah, I guess you are.
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So did you think I was deployed there by the administration to talk with you?
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It was pretty easy to connect some dots because there's no way you were listening to me on
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the radio.
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Otherwise, how did you know that I was saying the things I was saying and the questions
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I was asking about your health?
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So I was listening to you on the radio because-
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You were the only one.
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No, that's not true.
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Oh, this was early on.
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I had an hour and 15 minutes in the car in the morning to get to Augusta.
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This was before Sirius XM, wasn't it?
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Otherwise you would have been listening to Kids Place Live.
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I wouldn't have been.
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No, I didn't have kids.
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So why would I listen to Kids Place Live without kids?
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Because it's still great without kids.
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It is great without kids.
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Mindy does a wonderful job.
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No, I would listen in the morning, but it was before I had an iPod.
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It was before, I don't even think I had a CD player in that car.
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I was listening to the radio every day.
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Because it would have been 2005, 2006-ish, maybe 2007.
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2006 is when I started.
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All of this to say that the Dan that I knew that would broadcast live from a bathroom
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on a contemporary hits radio station was not the Dan that was wearing a tie that I recall
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was working for the administration of one of the most successful governors in the state
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of Maine.
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Yes, I said what I said, and I'll stand by it because he did what he did for the people
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of Maine.
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And there's a reason he got elected twice, and there's a reason that he served in Congress.
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Very different people.
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And that's why I looked to you, as I said earlier, tell me about the times that you reinvented
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yourself because you did.
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And then you did it again and became a television host.
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I did.
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But let me just close, let me put the final button on that.
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And I would say that-
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Go ahead and try.
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When it comes to my family, I will defend to the end.
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And I do remember, well, I don't remember where I was working.
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I do remember that was 100% about my aunt and her experiences.
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Because you said to me, I'm going to get this wrong, but you can correct me because
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you will remember exactly what you said.
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All of us want life, liberty, and a pursuit of happiness, but we just disagree on how
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we get there.
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Does that sound familiar?
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Or something like something you would say?
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Very, very close.
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Yes.
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So I said to you that this is a very personal topic for me, and I fully believe that she
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is still here because of it.
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And I'll leave it at that.
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But that was where I was coming from.
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Okay.
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I wish we had had this conversation, you know, later that night.
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It would have been nice to-
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You know, we probably wouldn't have had a friend relationship hiatus.
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I don't think we did.
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Well, well, it took a while.
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We had a friend relationship hiatus when I told you that Congressman Mishu couldn't appear
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on your show the next morning after election day.
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And I was trying to, oh God, I have to admit this, I was trying to text and drive before
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voice to text.
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And I was just trying to get the point across that like, there's no room in the schedule.
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I'm really sorry.
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And I said something that came across as very flippant, very flippant.
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I didn't have good text etiquette back then.
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I was just trying not to be distracted and it came across the wrong way.
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But you know what?
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I liked you enough to understand.
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There was a past tense in there that I don't know that I can-
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No, no, no, because I liked you then, I love you now, in a way, and if I were to right
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now, press the fast forward button, I take us to the day that I reached out to you to
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ask you on behalf of the United Way, then of Eastern Maine, if you would be the guest
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speaker as Elizabeth and I were asked to be the chairs of the campaign, the first husband
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and wife chair of the campaign.
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And we decided, you know what?
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We are going to reinvent, we are going to look to reinvigorate the United Way campaign
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in Eastern Maine.
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And here's how we're going to do it.
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We're going to do it here.
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We're going to invite these people.
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I'm going to put together a musical monologue that gets people dancing.
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I've got a vision in my head to do it.
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Which was incredible.
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I will die on that.
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Don't make me cry.
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It was incredible.
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I remember standing there watching this take place saying, how, how many rehearsals did
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they need to make this work?
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And you answer the question right now.
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I think I know the answer.
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How many rehearsals?
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I rehearsed it in my head.
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Zero, zero rehearsals.
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I know.
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And I had the two, the two friends that were going to go dance on the pitchers.
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Anyway, before we get to that, or let's save that for another day, cause I'm going to cry.
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Yeah.
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Which was my goal coming in here.
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No, because you know what?
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And I'll confess.
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And I don't, I do not want this to happen, but I know someday, I know someday I'm going
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to be sitting alone in a nursing home and I'm going to be trying to think about what
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do I have to look back on where I felt like, you know, that really worked or that was fun
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and that made a difference or that was exciting.
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That's one of the moments.
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If I get to pick five, five.
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Do you wish somebody had recorded that?
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No.
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And you know why?
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I fear that if I look back at it now, it wouldn't be nearly as fun and heartwarming
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and successful and well-timed.
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Nope.
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Cause I disagree.
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However, you are your own worst critic.
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So for you, hello, pedal, pedal, hello pot.
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This is pedal.
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You're black.
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Pedal.
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For you.
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Yes.
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It would not be as good as you remembered, but I saw it with clear vision and it was incredible.
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And that is not an overstatement.
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I appreciate that from you.
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Do you remember the song?
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Cause if you remember the song, I'll give you all the money in my pocket right now.
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It was either small world or perfect world by Huey Lewis.
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It was small world.
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I get the two confused.
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Everyone does.
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Yep.
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But in small world, there's that break before the little sax solo.
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I think it's, I think it's an alto sax or a tenor sax solo.
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Stan Getz maybe on sax.
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But the entire thing had to time out to that point and then get everyone to dance and then
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stop at that point.
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And then to explain, we're going to bring the fun back.
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Yeah.
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I'm choking up now.
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Anyway but anyway.
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Do you know what it reminded me of?
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And I don't remember which one happened first, but Letterman's final episode.
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People might know I have a little bit of a fascination with late night television.
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I was up watching it, uh, that night, uh, May 20th, 2015, Foo Fighters playing the final
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song and they had the time out that they were playing live.
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They had to time out with the video montage, Farrah Fawcett saying, wow.
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And they did.
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And that's, I don't remember which one came first, but I remember either seeing you and
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thinking Foo Fighters or seeing that and thinking Rick Tyler in that moment.
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That's the best part of living in this community.
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It's just big enough to do something like that and just small enough to let us be a
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part of it.
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Hmm.
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Yeah.
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You can do anything here.
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Yeah.
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In Bangor, Maine.
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But let me go back.
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Okay.
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Before that event, they needed someone to be the speaker.
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Right.
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And I sat in the room and I opened my mouth to say, I wonder if...
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And before I did, I think it was, I think it was Shira.
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Do you think Dan Cashman would talk?
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Do you think Dan Cashman would come out?
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And I was like, well, I, I know the guy and I called him, remember they brought us in and
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we both had t-shirts.
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Yeah.
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Mine was too small.
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I just thought you looked buff.
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No, I looked fat.
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But they took...
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But it's fine.
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No, you did.
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And they took a picture of the two of us.
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Yeah.
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And we stood back to back.
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Snack to snack.
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And we had a full page ad in the Bangor Daily News.
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Yeah.
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I would love to still see that today.
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But what did I tell you when you left that day?
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I don't know.
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Walking down the hallway, because I know you at Cashman Communications.
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Yeah.
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I know you're doing the show.
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Yeah.
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I keep saying to him, this is going to come back to the West Wing in a second.
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And a little echo, he's one of us.
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He's one of us.
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And I'd said it to Elizabeth, I'd said it to Carrie, the guy that used to be here, Dan,
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he's one of us.
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And I said to you as you're walking down the hallway, don't you think we should talk about
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this?
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Maybe, but what triggered the actual...
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If you're not remembering this correctly, how can I trust that you're remembering this
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Deerego Health conversation correctly, okay?
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But what triggered the actual conversation for me coming here was after the event, not
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after the photo shoot, after the event, when I said to you, we should do more things together.
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Yes.
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And then I was in a meeting where I think I left my phone in the car or I turned it off.
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I don't remember.
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But when I went back to the phone, there were seven messages from you and all of them, except
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for one said, call Carrie.
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And then the last one said, call Carrie soon.
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So I remember that part.
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I don't remember the conversation as we were walking down the hallway after the photo shoot
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though.
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I do.
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And it's...