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Mega Edition: What Did the NYT Discover During Their Epstein/Trump Investigation? (5/26/25) · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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Epstein Chronicles. Look, I don't think it's any shock to
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anybody at this point that Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein
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were buddies and that they spent a lot of time
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together back in the day. That has all been well documented.
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And in a new article from the New York Times,
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they're talking about that relationship once again. And look, it
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doesn't make Donald Trump guilty, right, we have to make
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sure we're clear about that doesn't make him guilty of
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being involved in the crimes until we have evidence of that.
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If we ever have evidence of that, we can't run
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around and make things up. But for me, it's the
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enabling and of course that's not criminal at least not
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that we know of, unless there was something else going
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on behind the scenes, you know, money laundering, whatever. But
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what it is is morally despicable and it makes things
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so much worse for Donald Trump that he's the president,
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he knows he's in these files, and he did everything
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in his power to keep the information from the American public.
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And of course the reasoning is, well, there's national security
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interests on the line, there's an ongoing investigation, but do
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you really believe that if say it was flipped around
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and Obama was with Jeffrey Epstein all the time, Trump
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would have released the files on day one. Of course
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he would have. That's the kind of guy he is, right,
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The guy is petty and he holds a grudge, There's
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no doubt about it. But the fact is it was
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Donald Trump himself who was spending all this time with Epstein,
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and it was documented in pictures, it was documented at events.
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There's no running from that, and anybody who tries to
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deny it or downplay it is really just digging the
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hole deeper. You have to confront that kind of shit
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head on right, yep, this is a fact. They hung out,
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there were friends. What else happened? And that's where Trump
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really stepped in it. Everybody knew that they were friendly,
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but now that we're getting documented proof that that friendship
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went deeper, that leads to more sinister questions. What did
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he know? When did he know it? And was he
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ever around when anyone was being abused? And Donald Trump
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himself could have cleared all of this up by just
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releasing the files right away and speaking to the American
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public directly, Hey, look me and this dude were friends.
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Not exactly the greatest moment of my life, but I
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was never around when there was any abuse going on.
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Here's the proof. That's what a man with integrity and
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nothing to hide does. But what did Donald Trump do?
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He retreated right back to the bunker, and not only that,
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he set fire to the battlefield before he left, calling
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people traders, calling people stupid whatever. Meanwhile, the only one
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who looks stupid is Donald Trump and the people still
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defending him over this shit. And I'm certainly not somebody
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with Trump derangement syndrome. I don't think about the dude
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enough to even care that much, because at the end
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of the day, I understand that the president, Donald Trump
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or anybody else is just a symptom of a much
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bigger problem. So I don't spend all my time worrying
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about this dude. He's going to be gone soon. There'll
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be a new election and a new jerk off will
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take over. But we're not going to run from the
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fact that Donald Trump's the president right now and he's
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overseeing what I think is a gigantic cover up. So
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in this episode, we're going to talk a little bit
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more about the relationship between Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump,
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as told by The New York Times and the headline
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Don's best Friend. How Epstein and Trump bonded over the
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pursuit of women. This article was authored by Nicholas Confessor
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and Julie Tait. Jeffrey Epstein was a terrific guy and
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a lot of fun to be with. He and Donald J.
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Trump also had no formal relationship. They went to a
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lot of the same parties, but they didn't socialize together.
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They were never really friends, just business acquaintances, or there
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was no relationship at all. I was not a fan
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of his. That's all I can tell you. Those are
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some of the things that Donald Trump has said about
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his obvious relationship with Epstein. And look again, I'm not
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gonna sit here and tell you that there's a bunch
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of criminality here that I can point to. But that's
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not the issue at hand, at least it's not when
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it comes to Donald Trump. It's the lie upon lie
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that he's told and how those lies have compounded and
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turned into a cover up. For nearly a quarter century,
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mister Trump and his representatives have offered shifting, often contradictory
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accounts of his relationship with mister Epstein, once sporadically captured
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by society photographers and in newsclips before they fell out
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sometime in the mid two thousands, closely scrutinized. Since mister
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Epstein died in a Manhattan Jael cell during mister Trump's
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first term, there are friendship in questions about what the
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president knew of mister Epstein's abuses now threatens to consume
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his second one. Yeah, look, there's no doubt about it.
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People can say whatever they want about the falling numbers
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of Donald Trump, but if you don't think that this
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played a gigantic part, you're crazy. And that's because a
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lot of the independents who supported Trump are abandoning ship.
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One of the main issues for independent voters was this
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issue specifically, and Donald Trump obviously has failed the test.
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The controversy has shaken mister Trump's iron hold on his
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base like no other. Loyal supporters have demanded to know
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why the administration has not moved more quickly to on
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earth the convicted sex offenders remaining secrets. In November, after
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resisting months of pressure to release more Epstein related documents
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held by the federal government and Facing an almost unheard
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of revolt among Republican lawmakers, mister Trump reversed himself, signing
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legislation that requires their release beginning this week. And we
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all know that we had to drag him there, kicking
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and screaming. He didn't want to do it on his own.
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In fact, he didn't do it on his own. If
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it wasn't for the discharge petition, they'd still be dogwalking
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this shit. Believe me, that was always the plan, dog
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walk this as long as possible. Mister Epstein had a
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talent for acquiring powerful friends, some of whom have become
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ensnared in the continuing scrutiny of his crimes for months.
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Mister Trump is labored furiously to shift himself out of
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the frame, dismissing questions about his relationationship with mister Epstein
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as a Democrat hoax and imploring his supporters to ignore
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the matter entirely, Like who does that? What kind of
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scoundrel tells people to ignore Jeffrey Epstein unless, of course,
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you're scared of something come into the surface. And to
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my opinion, there's a whole lot of fear of being
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shown by a whole lot of people an examination of
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their history by The New York Times has found no
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evidence implicating mister Trump in mister Epstein's abuse and trafficking
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of miners. Just like I've been telling you, we don't
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have that evidence. Now, I'm not saying it doesn't exist,
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but what I'm saying is that we've never seen it.
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There's no public documentation of anything like that occurring. But
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that's what they want you to focus on. I'm not
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going to focus on what they want. I'm going to
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focus on the fact that this is a cover up,
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and the fact that this was being covered up at all,
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for any instance, for any reason, is a gigantic crime
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in itself. So that's what needs to be focused on.
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And I've told you a million times, don't go after
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the shiny object, don't go after you know al Capone's
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murder spree. Go after his tax records. That's how you're
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going to get him. And the same goes for this situation.
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If we want true accountability, we have to be willing
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to kick in every single door. But the two men's
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relationship was both far closer and far more complex than
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the President now admits. Beginning in the late nineteen eighties,
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the two men forged the bond intense enough to leave
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others who knew them with the impression that they were
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each other as close as friends. The Times found mister
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Epstein was then a little known financier who cultivated mystery
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around the scope and source of his self made wealth.
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Mister Trump, six years older, was a real estate scion
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who relished publicity and exaggerated his successes. Neither man drank
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or did drugs. They pursued women in a game of
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ego and dominance. Female bodies were the currency. And if
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we're being honest, that whole entire era was filled with
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a bunch of degenerates, a whole bunch of hedonistic degenerates,
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especially in the financial sector. So there's no doubt that
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there was a bunch of debauchery taking place, and I
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have no doubt that Donald Trump was smack in the
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middle of it. Over nearly two decades, as mister Trump
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cut a swathe through the party circuits of New York
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and Florida, mister Epstein was perhaps his most reliable wingman.
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During the nineties and early two thousands, they prowled mister
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Epstein's Manhattan mansion and mister Trump's Plaza Hotel, at least
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one of Trump's Atlantic City casinos, and both of their
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Palm Beach homes. They visited each other's offices and spoke
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often by phone, according to other former Epstein employees and
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women who spent time in his homes and look, Maria
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Farmer told us all about it, about the relationship between
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Trump and Jeffrey Epstein, and she said the same thing.
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She didn't see anything that was criminal at the time,
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but there's no doubt that the nexus and that relationship existed,
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and the fact that people still want to deny it's
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baffle to me. With other men, mister Apstein might discuss tax, shelters,
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international affairs, or neuroscience. With mister Trump, he talked about sex.
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I just think it was, you know, trophy hunting. Stacy Williams,
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who rose to fame as a star of the Sports
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Illustrated Swimsuit edition during the nineties, set in an interview
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with The Times. In social media posts and interviews with
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news outlets in recent years, miss Williams has described how
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Trump groped her in nineteen ninety three at Trump Tower
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while mister Apstein, whom she was then dating, watched. I
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think Jeffrey liked that he had the sports illustrated model
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who had this name, and that Trump was pursuing me.
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She said. Mister Trump has denied her account. Of course
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he has. Has he ever admitted anything to shed light
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on their friendship. The Times interviewed more than thirty former
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Epstein employees, victims of his abuse, and others who crossed
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paths with the two men over the years. The Times
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also obtained new documents that illuminate their relationship, and scoured
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core documents and other public records. Many of the people
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interviewed by The Times asked to share their stories anonymously,
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saying they feared for their safety at the hands of
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supporters of mister Trump, a president who has deployed the
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might of the federal government to target and punish his
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political opponents. And we've seen it time and time again.
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Donald Trump has no problem going after people, and I
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wouldn't have any doubt of him going after the survivors
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if it served as purpose. I mean, hell, even myself.
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I'm making sure that all my shit's on the up
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and up, my tax returns are right. Everything. The last
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thing you want to do is give somebody like Donald
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Trump and the federal government any inroads to give you
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a colonoscopy. Some Epstein victims have already received death threats
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for demanding a full accounting of the government's investigation, according
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to a statement released by more than two dozen of
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them last month. Yo, let me just go on the record.
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If you're threatening survivors, you're a bitch assma, You are
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a straight up coward, a clown, and your parents should
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be slapped in the face for birthing you. Who attacks survivors?
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Bro in what defense of Donald Trump's bitch ass who
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doesn't care about you one single bit, who's ready to
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send your kids off to war in Venezuela. Oh yeah,
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that's the guy that you should be going crazy over.
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That's the guy you should be threatening people for. And
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if that's you, my advice is this, wake the fuck
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up before you get woke up. Over the years, mister
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Epstein or his partner Glenn Maxwell, introduced at least six
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women who have accused them of grooming or abuse to
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mister Trump. According to interviews, core testimony, and other records.
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One was a miner at the time. None of accused
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mister Trump himself of inappropriate behavior, and it's important to
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point that out. I think it's very important to point
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that out. People are getting way ahead of themselves saying
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Trump was part of the actual trafficking, etc. You gotta
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be careful because what you do is you give the
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other side, the side of the babler's the side of
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the protector's ammunition. Oh look, it's all about Trump. It's
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all about this, all about that. Now. I'm not saying
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to shy away from actual evidence, lean into that shit,
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but shy away from the nonsense. Shy away from the
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things that are going to hurt the overall investigation, because
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at the end of the day, none of that stuff
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even matters. Do you think the survivors care about that? Bs,
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What do you think they care about this? Moving forward
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and full transparency. One of the women, who has never
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spoken publicly about the experience, told The Times that mister
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Epstein had coerced her into attending four parties at mister
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Epstein's home. Mister Trump attended all four, the woman said.
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At two of them, she said, mister Epstein directed her
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to have sex with other male guests. So, according to
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that woman's account, Donald Trump was at this house when
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she was being trafficked. To other people. Now, is that
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a crime, I don't know. Certainly a gray area, certainly
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not the kind of place that you want to find
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the president inhabiting, and certainly not morally acceptable, no matter
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how you chop it. In an email among those released
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by Congress in November, mister Epstein boasted that he gave
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mister Trump a twenty year old woman whom mister Epstein
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dated in the nineties. During a flight together in the
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early nineteen nineties, mister Trump came on to another Epstein
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employee traveling with them, telling her that he could have
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anyone he wanted. According to a different Epstein worker who
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learned of the incident, a separate Epstein employee from the
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era recalled that mister Trump would occasionally send over modeling
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cards for mister Epstein to peruse, like a menu. And
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there's a lot of people that have cooperated that. We've
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heard that from many, many sources. It's not just the
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New York Times that's blowing that out of the water.
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We've heard that previously. Mister Epstein, who claimed he required
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orgasms three times a day, exploited or abused hundreds of
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women and girls before dying in what was ruled a
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suicide thousands. You would think that all this investigation that
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The New York Times did, they know the truth thousands
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of women And that's not hyperbole. I'm talking about globally, right,
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not just America. I'm talking about South America, Central America, Europe, Asia,
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and wherever the fuck else this egg dict Wirdo ended
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up going. If you think this dude wasn't abusing people
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everywhere he went, you're crazy. Mister Trump does not stand
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accused of sexually abusing a minor, but over the course
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of his friendship with mister Epstein and beyond, he left
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a trail of alleged abuse and assault, many details of
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which began to surface publicly during his successful twenty sixteen
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presidential run. Close to twenty women have publicly accused mister
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Trump of groping, forcibly kissing, or sexually assaulting them, behavior
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that he once bragged he could get away with because
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of his celebrity, but later denied ever engaging in. In
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twenty twenty three, the writer E. Gene Carroll one of
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five million dollars civil judgment against mister Trump for sexual
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abuse and defamation. So look, those are the facts, right,
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You can dispute the case. You can dispute what the
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jury or judge found, but that's on the record, man.
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And all these other accounts. We have to understand that
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there is an environment, a political environment, and you have
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to be very cautious about what you're accepting and what
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you're not accepting. But to think that there wasn't any
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evidence whatsoever from any of those women, that's just not true. Now.
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Of course, that doesn't make Donald Trump guilty of the
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kind of crimes Epstein was involved in, but it certainly
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makes him a fellow traveler. In response to a detailed
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list of questions from the Times, the White House Press
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Secretary Carolyn Levitt issued a statement, this fake news story,
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which is not worth the paper that it's printed on,
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is just another stale regurgitation of decades old false allegations
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against President Trump. The truth will remain the same no
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matter how many times The New York Times tries to
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change it. President Trump did nothing wrong, and he kick
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Jeffrey Epstein out of mar A Lago for being a creep. Well, yeah,
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but not until you let Jeffrey Epstein and Glenn Maxwell
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recruit Virginia to go and be abused let's not forget
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that part, Carolyn Levitt. And again, this is where people
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are missing the boat. Quit focusing on what Epstein and
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Trump might have been doing together. We don't have the
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evidence of that. You know, we have evidence of a
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fucking cover up. Focus on that. And it's no different
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than during that whole Russiagate nonsense. I told everybody, if
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you really wanted to find something of substance, you need
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to go after the concrete companies that Trump was in
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business with at the time, and that's because they were
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all run by the mafia. But instead everybody wanted to
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chase salacious bullshit, you know, the pe on the bed story,
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the salacious stuff that you can't prove. And I think
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a lot of people are falling into that same trap
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here because there is obviously a cover up under away,
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and I think that if we continue to focus on that,
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it's going to become apparent to anybody who's paying attention
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that that's exactly what's going on. And I think that
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if people want to see real change here, they want
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to see real action, they want to see people held accountable,
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will focus on the cover up. It's unclear what new
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information may emerge under the new law passed by Congress.
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The statute allows the Trump administration to withhold records that
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identify victims, including images of child sexual abuse, or documents
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that are otherwise classified. His appointees can also hold back
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records that could jeopardize an active federal investigation, such as
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a new inquiry ordered by mister Trump into Democrats associated
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with mister Epstein. In a statement in late November, a
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group of Epstein accusers wrote, other than redacting victim names,
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we want the files disclosed, and I've heard that directly
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from survivors themselves. That's what they want. They want complete
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transparency here. They want the files to be released, and
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they want accountability. Is that too much to ask, especially
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after you've been abused and discarded the way these women
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have been for all these years. They're just asking for
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a fair shake, And if any anybody's ever deserved a
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little bit of fairness, it's these women. Mister Trump is
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denied knowing of mister Epstein's abuse of underage girls, but
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in a trash of emails or released in November, mister
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Epstein suggested otherwise. In a twenty nineteen message to the
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journalist Michael Wolfe, he wrote of mister Trump. Of course
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he knew about the girls, as he asked Elane to stop.
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The full context of mister Epstein's remark is unclear. In
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a twenty ten deposition, mister Epstein was asked if he
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had ever socialized with mister Trump with girls under eighteen,
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as he did more than three dozen times. During the deposition,
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mister Epstein invoked his constitutional right not to answer. Though
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I'd like to answer that question at least today, I'm
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going to have to assert my fifth, sixth and fourteenth
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Amendment rights, sir, he replied. All right, folks, we're going
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to wrap up episode one right here, and in the
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next episode, we're going to pick up where we left off.
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All of the information that goes with this episode can
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be found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and
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welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode,
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we're going to pick up where we left off with
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the New York Times article about the relationship between Donald
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Trump and Jeffrey Epstein once again. The authors of this
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article are Nicholas Confessor and Julie Tait. Sex talk and
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office hours. Sometimes the phone would ring in mister Trump's
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office at Trump Tower. The caller, the mysterious Jeffrey, as
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mister Trump described him in a two thousand and four
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book of business advice, never gave a last name, nor
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did he need to, mister Trump wrote, a few times
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a week, the phone would ring in mister Epstein's office
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in the Villard Houses on Madison Avenue. Mister Trump would
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be on the line. On one occasion, recalled an Epstein
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assistant from the mid nineties, Mister Trump refused to give
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any name at all. The White House spokeswoman declined to
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say whether mister Trump book was referring to a different Jeffrey,
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but the two talked at least three times a week
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during the mid to late nineties, according to a second
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Epstein assistant from the period. The first assistant, who often
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worked late, recalled that sometimes that when the office emptied out,
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mister Epstein would check to see that she was at
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her desk and put mister Trump on speaker. Mister Trump,
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she said, seemed to enjoy regalling mister Epstein with tales
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of his sexual exploits, and mister Epstein seemed to delight
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and how uncomfortable it made her to overhear them. And
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that's a power play, for sure, that's what people do.
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Right I'm on the phone with this guy, let me
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put it on speaker so I can flex and show
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exactly the kind of power that me and my buddies
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have over women. And it's something that Epstein did quite
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a bit. She remembered one call in the mid nineties
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on which the two men discussed how much pubic hair
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a particular woman had and whether there was enough for
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mister Epstein to floss his teeth with. Like, what, hold on,
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wait a minute, talking about floss in your teeth with
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pubic hair? You sick, disgusting piece of garbage. What sort
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of degenerate mind even thinks up something like that? Have
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you ever been sitting around saying to yourself, you know what,
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I bet I could lost my teeth with someone's pubic hair.
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The whole last thing is just weird and disgusting. On another,
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mister Trump told mister Epstein about having sex with another
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woman on a pool table. The former assistant said, and look,
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I'm not going to sit here and tell you that
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any of this is criminal. We don't know, we have
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no idea. But it's the kind of conversations that in
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the past would have sunk somebody if they were president.
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So have we fallen that far as a society where
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this kind of thing is just okay because it's your guy.
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That is some wild shit. Because I promise you right now,
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if this was Joe Biden who had this conversation with
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Jeffrey Epstein, we would have never heard the end of it.
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The same people that told us about Tom Hanks and
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Adreno Chrome would have been talking about reptilians and you
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name it. But now those same people are making excuses
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for this kind of behavior from Donald Trump. None of
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it's okay and all of it's disgusting. A woman known
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in court records as Jane Doe, who mister Epstein traffic
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during the mid nineties beginning in her early years, testified
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in miss Maxwell's criminal trial in twenty twenty one that
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Epstein often put famous friends on speakerphone in front of
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other people. And that's what I was talking about previously.
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That's something that Jeffrey Epstein did quite a bit. According
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to a lot of reports, the cause with mister Trump
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continued through the later years of the men's friendship. According
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to a third former employee who worked for mister Epstein
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on and off through most of the two thousands, and
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also recalled them putting mister Trump on speaker. They would
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talk about pageants or modeling shows for which countries women
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were in vogue in the fashion world. Sometimes, the third
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employee said, mister Trump went on so long that mister Epstein,
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whose attention span was famously short, would leave the room
22:53
while his friend was still talking. That certainly tracks certainly
22:57
the kind of thing that Epstein did. And if you
22:59
think that Jeffrey Epstein was impressed by Donald Trump, you're crazy.
23:04
At this point, Jeffrey Epstein was more powerful than Donald Trump.
23:07
Keep that in mind. Trump might have had a few bucks,
23:09
but he wasn't protected like Jeffrey Epstein was. Maria Farmer,
23:14
an artist who said that she was sexually assaulted by
23:17
miss Maxwell and mister Epstein during the mid nineteen nineties,
23:20
till the Times in twenty nineteen that mister Epstein had
23:23
one summoned her to meet mister Trump at the Villard
23:26
House's office. Mister Trump leered at her, she said, before
23:30
mister Epstein informed him that she is not for you.
23:33
And I remember Maria telling me that directly, and she
23:36
also said it in the interview that I did with
23:38
her both times. So there's no doubt in my mind
23:42
that Trump was around quite a bit. I think the
23:45
only thing that we don't know now for sure is
23:47
how deep it ran, and if Trump was involved in
23:50
any kind of criminal behavior, well other than the cover up,
23:54
because that's certainly happening. I don't even think that's a debate.
23:58
This summer, a spokesman from mister Trump denied that the
24:01
president had ever set foot in mister Epstein's office, the
24:05
first former assistant, though well call mister Trump meeting there
24:08
briefly with mister Epstein at least several times during the
24:11
mid nineties. Her account was supported by Mark Epstein, mister
24:15
Epstein's brother, who said that Jeffrey had told him that
24:18
mister Trump visited very frequently. And Mark Epstein has been
24:22
adamant about that for years now. He's talked about how
24:25
Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump were very close. And it's
24:28
not just Mark Epstein saying it. We have a lot
24:31
of people who have come forward now and who have
24:33
corroborated the story. He was at the office all the
24:36
time back then, mister Epstein said in an interview with
24:39
the Times Daily. Handwritten notes kept by the first former
24:42
assistant and reviewed by the Times suggests that mister Trump
24:46
was a regular presence in mister Epstein's life. The notes,
24:49
spanning several months in the late nineteen ninety four, have
24:53
not been previously reported. Well, that's interesting, and I'm guessing
24:58
they're talking about Leslie Groff here? Is that who they interviewed?
25:01
Who else could it be? Some pages contain instructions to
25:06
call mister Trump or return his call. One note reminded
25:09
the assistant to call mister Trump's office to see if
25:12
he was flying to Florida tomorrow. Another recorded that a
25:15
package would be arriving with an invitation tomorrow lago events.
25:21
On one pager instructions about invitations for an upcoming party.
25:25
Mister Trump was to be invited, but only if his
25:28
ex wife, Havanna, with whom miss Maxwell was friendly, declined.
25:33
Their relationship was riddled with undertones of envy and disdain.
25:37
Mister Epstein seemed to hold a low opinion of his
25:39
friend's business acumen, according to the former employees and others
25:43
who knew him, Well, that's par for the course. Epstein
25:46
didn't have friends. He had people that he could use
25:49
and climb on, and if Trump was dumb enough to
25:52
think he was friends with Epstein, more's the pity. On
25:55
one occasion around two thousand and one, the third former
25:58
employee said mister Epstein was annoyed after mister Trump called him.
26:02
He later told the employee that mister Trump was short
26:05
on cash and wanted a ride on mister Epstein's plane. Well,
26:09
Trump certainly was going through some money problems back in
26:11
the day when everything failed up in Atlantic City, you know,
26:16
when people were pressing for their debts to be repaid.
26:19
Trump certainly was in a crunch. Now, did he have
26:22
any kind of business with Epstein as far as financial,
26:24
I don't know, but it seems likely. And that's another
26:28
reason that I think Trump is so worried about the
26:30
files coming out. He knows that he might be exposed
26:33
by his financial dealings with Jeffrey Epstein. During the early
26:38
years of their friendship, mister Trump was racing toward a
26:40
reckoning over the billions of dollars he had borrowed to
26:43
assemble his struggling empire, including casinos, hotels, an airline, and
26:48
a yacht. According to former Epstein employees, mister Trump seemed
26:52
attracted to the financier's wealth and business network, especially because
26:56
Trump couldn't get loans at the time. Nobody was going
26:59
to offer him money. So where's he going to get
27:01
that money? You go to a guy like Jeffrey fucking Epstein.
27:05
You want to talk about a middleman, You want to
27:07
talk about somebody that has access to billions, You're looking
27:11
at him. It's unclear whether mister Epstein, who ostensibly specialized
27:18
in offering tax and estate planning for wealthy clients, helped
27:21
mister Trump navigate his financial problems. But in his twenty
27:25
twenty memoir of representing Epstein victims relentless pursuit, the Florida
27:30
lawyer Bradley J. Edwards wrote that mister Epstein had claimed
27:33
to some young women that he had bailed his friend
27:35
out of bankruptcy. Boys and girls, that is bad news
27:39
for Donald Trump if that's the case. Was that money declared,
27:44
did he pay taxes on it? Where did that money originate?
27:47
Did it originate from a place of criminality? All of
27:50
these things you're going to have to be explored. Even
27:54
as he dismissed mister Trump's stillmaking mister Epstein, who could
27:57
be socially awkward at other people's part parties, seemed to
28:00
admire his friend's brash confidence and access to higher realms
28:04
of nightlife and celebrity. He frequently mentioned his friendship with
28:08
mister Trump, according to several accusers, telling one he had
28:12
a bedroom reserved at Mar A Lago. Take that with
28:15
a grain of salt. Epstein was certainly a liar, So
28:17
we have to take things that he said with a
28:19
grain of salt. And there's no doubt about that. Does
28:22
that mean everything he said was bullshit? No? And how
28:26
do we know, Well, we have to use evidence to
28:28
back up the comments he's making. Even after they fell out,
28:31
mister Epstein kept a frame photo of himself with mister
28:34
Trump and his future third wife, Malanya on a credenza
28:38
in his upper east side dining room. And you have
28:40
to understand that the pictures on the walls at Epstein's
28:43
house was like a menagerie, right. That was his collection
28:46
of people that he felt he had power over. I mean,
28:49
do we have to talk about Bill Clinton in the
28:51
blue dress? Well, you think Epstein just did that out
28:54
of the blue? Does the power play, folks? Just like
28:58
the picture of Trump on this credenza the party circuit.
29:02
A few years into mister Trump's friendship with mister Epstein,
29:06
Avonna Trump filed for divorce. Mister Trump's affair with Marlon Maples,
29:11
a former pageant contestant, was running hot and cold. In
29:15
ninety two, he invited NBC Tomorrow Lago to shoot a
29:18
video for a feature about his post divorce life on
29:21
the talk show A Closer Look. I love beautiful women,
29:24
I love going out with beautiful women, and I love
29:27
women in general, he said in the footage, And look
29:30
nothing wrong with that. Hell, I love beautiful women, I
29:32
love going out with beautiful women, I love being around them,
29:35
and I'm sure that most heterosexual meles out there feel
29:38
the same way. But at the same time, I don't
29:41
look at women as a piece of meat or something
29:44
to be conquered. They're my equals, my peers, my friends,
29:47
my sister, my wife, whatever. But these sons of bitches,
29:51
they have a whole different outlook on life, and they
29:53
look at people as commodities as opposed to people. So
29:57
there's nothing wrong with liking beautiful women wanting to be
30:00
around them. There's something completely and utterly wrong with abusing them.
30:05
The cameras captured him and mister Epstein at the Palm
30:08
Beach estate, surrounded by cheerleaders from the Miami Dolphins and
30:12
Buffalo Bills. In the video, mister Trump grabs a smiling
30:15
woman from the rear and pass her on the behind.
30:18
In another clip, he appears to point toward women on
30:21
the dance floor, and mister Epstein doubles over, laughing at
30:25
something his friend whispered. Can you imagine what kind of
30:27
vile nonsense these two guys were talking about. In January
30:31
of ninety three, mister Trump held another party at mar
30:34
A Lago, this one to kick off a beauty pageant
30:36
he was bringing to Atlantic City with two business partners,
30:40
George Harrainy and Jill Harth. Two dozen or so potential
30:44
contestants were flown in to meet mister Trump. The only
30:48
other guest at the party, mister Horny told The Times
30:52
in twenty nineteen, was mister Epstein. But remember, folks, they
30:56
weren't that close right there, weren't friends, hardly knew the guide,
30:59
never saw him, certainly never hung out with them. And
31:02
this is what I'm talking about, with Trump lying to
31:05
everybody's face. You can say that you didn't do anything wrong.
31:08
You can say you didn't do anything criminal, but you
31:11
can't try and recreate history. We all know what happened.
31:14
We all know that you guys were close, and it's
31:16
all documented. So if you're lying about that, what else
31:19
are you lying about? During dinner that night, miss Heart
31:22
alleged in a ninety seven lawsuit, mister Trump groped her
31:26
under the table, then cornered her in a bedroom normally
31:29
used by his daughter Yvanka, and forcibly kissed, fondled, and
31:33
restrained her from leaving. And that lawsuit was filed in
31:36
ninety seven, long before Trump was quote unquote a target
31:39
of a Democrat hoax. So what's the answer to that?
31:44
Just gonna write it off, No big deal. These kinds
31:47
of things happen. Well, if you're a scumbag, maybe later
31:52
in the pre dawn hours, she alleged in the suit,
31:54
mister Trump also sneaked into a bedroom being used by
31:58
a twenty two year old contestant, I'm onto her bed uninvited.
32:02
He groped her too, according to the suit. Mister Trump
32:05
has denied the allegations by Miss Harth, who declined to
32:08
comment the pageant partnership later fizzled, leading mister Horney to
32:12
separately sue mister Trump in ninety five for breach of contract.
32:16
Miss Harth said she withdrew her subsequent harassment lawsuit as
32:20
a condition for settling the contract dispute. She went on
32:23
to briefly date mister Trump. That whole situation's odd. I
32:27
don't know enough about that to break it down, but
32:30
we have to keep in mind there are people out
32:31
there that are looking for a bag, people that are
32:34
going to make all kinds of crazy allegations because they
32:36
know they're going to get paid. And I'm not saying
32:38
that's what happened with Miss Harth, but we always have
32:41
to be cognizant of that. We have to be aware
32:43
that it happens. According to mister Epstein, he and mister
32:49
Trump partied at his house too. In a twenty fifteen
32:52
email exchange with Landon Thomas Junior, then a Times reporter,
32:56
he recounted a moment when mister Trump was so focused
32:59
on young women swimming in his pool that he walked
33:01
into a glass door. Mister Epstein also referred to the
33:05
twenty two year old contestant from that night in ninety three,
33:08
indicating she had pictures of Donald and girls in bikinis
33:12
in my kitchen and providing her email address. The emails,
33:17
among those released by Congress last month, came as mister
33:20
Trump led in the polls for the Republican presidential nomination.
33:24
Mister Thomas, who had once pitched mister Epstein on a
33:27
sympathetic profile, said he was being approached by people who
33:30
thought he had juicy info on you and Trump. It's
33:35
unclear whether the photos of mister Epstein referenced exist. The
33:38
former contestant cannot be reached for comment. The Times is
33:42
withholding her name because she has publicly not come forward
33:45
with her own account of the events. Mister Thomas has
33:48
said he never received any photographs. He left The Times
33:51
in twenty nineteen after disclosing that he had solicited a
33:54
charitable contribution from mister Epstein. That's a whole less other
33:59
can of worms. Another fucking journalist on Epstein's dime. Huh,
34:03
No wonder the story never got out. In November of
34:07
nineteen ninety three, mister Trump's chosen pageant contestants flew in
34:10
from around the world for a week of events at
34:13
his properties in New York. And Atlantic City. At one point,
34:16
Miss Harth said in her lawsuit, mister Trump demanded that
34:19
she provide him with access to a seventeen year old
34:22
check contestant. The suit does not say if she complied
34:25
or if mister Trump met the contestant. Towards the end
34:29
of the week, the contestants joined mister Trump for a
34:32
press luncheon at the Plaza. One contestant, Beatrice coll Then,
34:36
a bank employee and part time model from Switzerland, said
34:39
in an interview with The Times that during the event,
34:42
one of mister Trump's employees asked her to meet him
34:44
privately in a sweet upstairs. Almost as soon as she arrived,
34:49
Miss Coole said, mister Trump began groping her, kissing her
34:52
and trying to lift her dress. I yelled, I screamed,
34:55
I pushed him. She said. He didn't want to give
34:58
up like you do? You do with that? Is everybody
35:01
just lying because they want to lie about Trump? Is
35:04
that really what you believe? At some point you have
35:07
to ask yourself how come all these people are making
35:10
these allegations if they're not true. She said that she
35:14
was withholding some of the details of what happened because
35:17
she had been subject to anonymous threats. Miss Coole first
35:20
described aspects of the episode to the Deli Mel last year.
35:24
A friend, Pascal Clavez, told The Times that Miss Coole
35:28
recounted the episode at the Plaza to him around two
35:31
thousand and four. Miss Coole also provided The Times with
35:34
pictures of documents corroborating her participation in the pageant and
35:38
of herself with mister Trump. Before the private meeting, she
35:42
was also approached by mister Epstein. I'm Jeffrey, I'm Don's
35:46
best friend, she recalled him, saying she was confused at first.
35:49
Miss Cole said, because she didn't seem to be affiliated
35:52
with the pageant, she didn't understand why he had been
35:55
allowed into the press luncheon. He said, Don likes you
35:58
very much and that there her organizing parties at mar
36:01
A Lago and he would love for you to join.
36:03
Miss Coole said he would take care of her, her flights,
36:06
her hotel. You just need to pack and come to
36:09
the party at mar A Lago, she recalled him, saying,
36:12
when Miss Cold demurred, mister Epstein tried other tactics, going
36:17
on about the wealth he kept in Swiss Banks, then
36:19
about famous friends with whom he could arrange meetings. Epstein
36:23
knew exactly what he was doing. She said, he had
36:25
hunting methods. It was a routine. The first to mister
36:28
Epstein's former assistants interviewed by The Times, said that on
36:32
dozens of occasions in the mid nineties, the financier Pedophile
36:36
instructed her to call a pageant winner from somewhere in
36:39
the world and invited her to visit him in Florida.
36:42
His standing offer, the assistant said, was an all expense
36:45
paid trip and five thousand dollars in cash to go
36:48
shopping on Worth Avenue, Palm Beach, Fame shopping destination. In
36:53
December of ninety three, not long after the pageant, mister
36:56
Trump married Miss Maples at the Plaza photo show. Mister
37:00
Rapstein in attendance, but the parties continued. All right, folks,
37:04
we're gonna wrap up episode two right there, and in
37:06
the next episode, we're gonna pick up where we left off.
37:09
All of the information that goes with this episode can
37:12
be found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and
37:15
welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode,
37:19
we're picking up where we left off with the new
37:21
York Times article talking about the relationship between Donald Trump
37:26
and Jeffrey Epstein once again. This article was authored by
37:31
Nicholas Confessor and Julie Tait Dress Sexy. In the early
37:37
two thousands, guests mingled in the library or dining room
37:40
of mister Epstein's Upper East Side mansion as their host
37:43
held court. The women were beautiful and numerous, The men
37:47
were older and few. Occasionally, one of the women would
37:50
head toward the bedrooms, one of the men would shortly follow.
37:54
But wait, I thought that there was no trafficking going
37:56
on here. I'm sure that all these women, some of
37:58
them underage, doing it willingly, right. Right. One woman, then
38:05
a model and college student in her early twenties living
38:07
in Manhattan, said she attended four parties at the mansion.
38:11
She can't recall the names of most of the men
38:13
she met at the gatherings, not even those mister Epstein
38:17
directed her to take care of. At two of them
38:20
recruited by Miss Maxwell and then abused by mister Epstein.
38:23
She buried her shame and kept their secrets for years,
38:27
but mister Trump's presence stood out. She told The Times
38:30
he was a household name. Someone mister Epstein often bragged
38:33
about to the women around him, yet also someone he
38:36
seemed to compete with. It was like a pissing contest
38:40
who had the most women, she recalled. She requested anonymity
38:43
to describe her experiences in detail, saying she feared for
38:47
her family safety after mister Trump said some of his
38:50
critics could be executed for sedition. Yo, if that's the case,
38:54
I'm fucked. If they ever set up the guillotines your
38:57
boys definitely getting his head chopped off. To people in
39:01
the modeling business, men like mister Trump and mister Epstein
39:04
were a familiar part of the scene. Wealthy men who
39:07
use their money, clout, and personal connections in fashion to
39:10
meet the young women who worked in the industry. Two
39:13
days a week, you'd be at a model dinner at
39:15
a restaurant, said Heather Braden, a model and filmmaker, and
39:19
there'd be these men we didn't know. Miss Braden, who
39:22
now lives in Utah, said she often saw mister Trump
39:25
and mister Epstein at the same parties or dinners during
39:28
the nineties in New York and South Florida, including at
39:31
Mar a Lago, which mister Trump converted to a member's
39:34
club in nineteen ninety five, and do all these people
39:38
have motivations to lie all these people that are coming forward.
39:41
It doesn't make sense, and I highly doubt that these
39:44
people are lying now. Again, it doesn't prove criminality, but
39:47
it certainly strengthens the bonds. And it really puts into
39:50
perspective why Donald Trump is so worried about the files
39:53
being released and information about his time with Jeffrey Epstein
39:56
becoming public. Even if there is no criminal acts, just
40:00
his stuff alone is enough to tarnish you. Donald Trump
40:05
knows that, and that's why it took people to drag
40:07
them kicking and screaming to have these files unsealed. If
40:10
there was nothing damaging or something that exonerated them, forget it.
40:13
We would have had them the day he got elected,
40:15
you know, like he promised to do while he was
40:17
on the campaign trail. That would have been nice, huh.
40:20
But I said it then and I'll say it again.
40:22
There was never a chance that Trump was gonna release
40:24
the documents because he knew what was in them. Each
40:27
man cultivated relationships that in turn put them in proximity
40:31
to young women in the industry. Mister Epstein exploited his
40:35
close relationship with Les Wexner, the owner of Victoria's Secret,
40:38
sometimes telling women he could get them meetings or bookings.
40:42
Photographers or camera crews captured mister Epstein and mister Trump
40:46
together at Victoria's Secret events in ninety seven and ninety nine.
40:51
And not only that, but Les Wexner was way more
40:53
involved than anybody likes to let on. I urge you
40:57
all to listen to what Maria Farmer had to say
40:59
about Les Wexner, and also listened to what Virginia said.
41:03
Wexner is not some peripheral character here. He was a
41:06
central component to Jeffrey Epstein's operation for a very long time.
41:11
And yes, he's been credibly accused of taking part in
41:14
the abuse himself. So I would think that less Wexner
41:17
would be talked about a little bit more. Everybody talks
41:20
about they want names, names, names, Well, there's a name
41:22
for you. What have you done with it? Oh that's right,
41:26
not a damn thing. All these people out here talking
41:28
about we want names. Why don't the survivors give us names? Well,
41:32
because when they did name people, nobody did shit about it,
41:35
and then they got sued, they got threatened, they had
41:38
their lives upended. So guess what, here's a novel idea.
41:41
Why isn't the DOJ name names you know, do their
41:45
job mister Trump, but friend died the Hawaiian Tropic founder
41:47
Ron Rice, who told the Boston Globe that he would
41:50
send models and pageant contestants to mar A Lago for
41:54
parties at mister Trump's request. And John Casablancis, the founder
41:58
of Elite Model Management, who is Looking of the Year
42:00
contest Mister Trump sponsored and helped judge in the early
42:03
nineteen nineties. For Mari Lago gatherings, groups of models were
42:07
sometimes busted in from Miami, often with the help of
42:11
mister Trump's friend Jason Binn, co founder of the society
42:14
magazine Ocean Drive. Mister Binn did not return calls an
42:19
email seeking comment. Of course, not last thing he wants
42:23
to do is out Trump right. He knows what the
42:25
results are if he does that. Tina Davis, who work
42:29
with Ford Models in the mid nineties, said in an
42:32
interview that her Ford booker instructed her to get dressed
42:36
up and attend a party at Mara A Lago in
42:38
late ninety four, just fourteen and new to Miami, she
42:43
was told to dress sexy. According to her mother, Sandra Coleman,
42:46
who had accompanied her to Florida, eight or nine other
42:49
models came along on the bus. All the girls were
42:52
really young, Miss Coleman were called in an interview, some
42:55
of them could have been in training bras like, come on,
43:00
why are those girls going anywhere without supervision? Why are
43:03
those girls going to these modeling events? And why are
43:07
people like Donald Trump and the rest of these scumbags
43:09
okay with it. When they arrived at Mar A Lago,
43:12
Miss Coleman said that her daughter was promptly handed a
43:14
glass of champagne. She took it away, but waiters kept
43:18
offering more. Each time one of the middle aged men
43:20
at the party approached her daughter, Miss Coleman would walk
43:23
over and introduce herself as Davis's mother. During a trip
43:27
to the bathroom, they ran into mister Trump's new wife,
43:30
whom they had met earlier. Miss Maples clasped her hands.
43:33
Miss Coleman recalled and looked her in the eye. Whatever
43:36
you do, do, not let her around any of these men,
43:39
and especially my husband, she told Miss Coleman, protect her. Well,
43:44
that's pretty fucking scary. Huh. Imagine somebody said that to you,
43:47
somebody's wife. That's when I'd be hitting the eject button
43:50
and taking my kid directly home. Well, i'd never have
43:53
my kid at one of these things anyway. But that's
43:56
neither here nor there. But the second I heard that shit,
43:59
see you later, we're out. Miss Maples denied making the comment.
44:03
I would always protect young women in any way I could,
44:06
she said, but I'm sure I didn't specifically say that
44:09
about my daughter's father. Mister Epstein was a frequent guest
44:12
at mar Lago parties. A woman who said mister Epstein
44:16
trafficked her in the late nineties and early two thousands
44:19
were called attending at least a half dozen of the
44:21
parties beginning when she was seventeen and modeling during the
44:24
winter fashion season in Florida. Mister Epstein showed up at
44:28
several of them too. He always seemed to know about
44:31
events happening at Mar A Lago, she said, even when
44:34
he didn't attend, and he was always curious about her experiences.
44:39
The invitations typically came from mister Binn and Ocean Drive,
44:42
bidding the models to be Donald Trump's guests at Mar
44:45
A Lago. According to one invitation she shared with The Times,
44:49
the parties were open bar and no one checked IDs.
44:52
She said, mister Trump was always all over them, she recalled,
44:56
So nobody was checking id's and it was an open
44:59
bar and all these little girls there. That sounds like
45:02
a fucking recipe for disaster. No. The woman provided a
45:06
picture of herself and a friend with mister Trump at
45:09
mar A Lago. She said she didn't remember whether she
45:12
was still seventeen at the time of the picture. She
45:14
has not previously spoken publicly about the meeting with the
45:17
future president, and asked for anonymity because she feared retaliation
45:21
from him or his supporters. Again, people are scared of that.
45:25
Anybody engaging in that behavior is a coward. Anyone attacking
45:30
these women for telling their story is a complete and
45:32
utter piece of shit. During the nineties, both mister Epstein
45:35
and mister Trump also forged ties with an up and
45:38
coming modeling agency known as Next and its co founder
45:41
of Faith Kids, who would become one of the industry's
45:44
major figures. Mister Epstein sometimes seen around Next office meetings,
45:49
According to Miss Braden, who was represented by an agency
45:53
that merged with Next in the early nineteen nineties. After
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mister Epstein's death, several former employees told The Daily Beast
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that they had seen mister Epstein around the NEXT offices
46:04
or taken calls from him after he was arrested in
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Florida for soliciting underage girls. He also donated money to
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a charity funded and founded by Miss Kates. Mister Trump
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attended Next parties in New York, according to a former
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model who was represented by the agency in the late
46:22
nineties and said she once found herself seated near mister
46:25
Trump at the agency's holiday dinner. The agency also sometimes
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sent models to parties at mar A Lago. Zoe Brock,
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a New Zealand model who worked for Next in Miami,
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said she was pressured by the agency to attend one
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of mister Trump's parties in ninety eight when she was
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twenty four. Once she balked, a representative of the agency
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offered to pay her a few hundred dollars to attend.
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Not long after, she said, she boarded a bus with
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twenty or so other models at mar A Lago. Each
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woman was given a red and white striped wristband advertising them.
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Miss Brock felt as meet none of the other guests,
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chiefly men in tuxedos, were the wristbands. The women were
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made to line up and meet mister Trump. Yeah, very
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normal behavior. Okay, all you women line up, you have
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to meet me. All you little fourteen year old girls
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come over and say hi to Daddy Diddles. I had
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a glass of champagne and I immediately felt not well,
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Miss Brock recalled, adding, I thought my drink had been spiked.
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It was Miss Kates who brought her client, Miss Williams
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to the ninety two dinner where she first met Epstein,
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some months after she made her Sports Illustrated debut, and
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it was Miss Kate's who brought her to mister Trump's
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annual holiday party at the Plaza that fall, where she
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ran into mister Epstein again, and where mister Trump also
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vied for her attention. Praising her recent spread in the
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Swimsuit Issue, Miss Williams said, I think they were trying
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to get as high up the chain of models as
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far as they could. Miss Williams said they wanted the
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biggest prize and the most famous model, but it was
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mister Eppstein, not mister Trump, to whom she gave her
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number one day the following year, as she strolled down
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Fifth Avenue, mister Epstein proposed visiting his friend in Trump Tower.
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The real purpose of the visit, Miss Williams later came
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to believe was to play a game. As the two
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friends stood talking in mister Trump's waiting room, she said,
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the real estate developer pulled her towards them and groped
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her breast waist in buttocks. Mister Epstein acted like nothing
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had happened after they left, though he flew into a rage,
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be rating Miss Williams for letting Trump touch her. That
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certainly tracks maybe not with you know, the whole story,
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but the way Epstein would react. He did the same
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thing with Harvey Weinstein. I'm convinced that's why he walked
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me in there, she said in a recent interview. He
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thought I would punch him in the face or something,
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but I froze. A Trump representative previously called her allegations
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unequivocally false. Miss Kates departed next in November after emails
48:55
released by Congress indicated that she and mister Epstein had
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remained close for years after his two thousand and eight
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plea on charges of soliciting a minor. A NEXT spokeswoman
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declined to answer question sent by email in staid, sending
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a statement that the agency has never had a business
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relationship with Jeffrey Epstein or Donald Trump. Miss Kates also
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declined to answer specific questions. Neither Faith nor anyone associated
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with Next ever brought clients to parties or dinners for
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any inappropriate purpose. A spokesman for Kate's had said the
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women who attended four parties at Epstein's mansion in the
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early two thousands said she had first met Miss Maxwell
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at a show during New York Fashion Week in two thousand.
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Miss Maxwell presented herself as a wealthy, well educated mentor,
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taking her to lunch and charity events. Eventually, she offered
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to introduce her to a friend, mister Epstein. She said.
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Miss Maxwell told her that he could help her achieve
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her dream of modeling for Victoria's Secret. The three met
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at mister Epstein's mansion that fall and talked about her career.
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On a second visit, she ReCl mister Epstein and Miss
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Maxwell began touching each other, and then her she froze.
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I don't know if I could have moved if I
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wanted to, she said, expecting an apology, she returned for
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a third visit. Instead, she said, mister Epstein warned her
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that cameras in the mansion had recorded their encounter. He
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insisted she come to parties there, terrified that her parents
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and pastor would find what had happened. She acquiesced the
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women at the four parties she attended didn't seem to
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know one another. The other men arrived individually. She recalled
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meeting mister Trump at one of the parties. She showed
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The Times a handwritten address book she kept in those
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years containing mister Trump's name and two of his phone numbers.
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Mister Trump did not act inappropriately with her, the woman said,
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And again it's important to note a lot of people
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are going to say, well, look, there's nothing incriminating here
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for Trump. I disagree. Maybe not incriminating as far as
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abusing people, but lying. And that's a big deal, especially
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if you're the fucking president of the United States. The
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woman said. She hoped the Justice Department will release redacted
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documents relating to her interview with the FBI, which took
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place in New York City in the summer of twenty twenty,
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she said, in which she mentioned mister Trump's presence at
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the parties that same year. According to documents the woman provided,
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she was interviewed about mister Trump and mister Epstein by
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representatives of the Epstein Victims Compensation Program, and later received
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a settlement another victim's fund handling claims against JP Morgan
51:31
to settle allegations that the bank ignored warnings about mister
51:34
Epstein's abuses also approved the woman for a settlement, so
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not alleged somebody that got money got a settlement and
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somebody that was involved. She has since filed paperwork to
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join a Florida lawsuit by more than thirty women, most
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under pseudonyms, alleging that the FBI failed to properly investigate
51:54
reports of sex crimes and child sex trafficking by mister
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Epstein dating to ninety nine. Government lawyers have asked a
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judge to dismiss the case. The government knew about Epstein,
52:06
They were aware of his sexual abuse of miners and
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young women, said Jennifer Plotkin, a lawyer for the women,
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and because they did nothing, hundreds and hundreds of women
52:15
were abused over twenty years. Miss Maxwell is serving a
52:19
twenty year federal prison sentence. For conspiring with mister Abstein
52:23
to traffic underage girls. Last July, the Deputy Attorney General
52:26
Todd Blanche traveled to Florida to interviewerr. She acknowledged mister
52:31
Trump's social relationship with mister Apstein, but said that he
52:34
had never seen the President behave inappropriately. A week later,
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she was transferred to a minimum security prison. Her lawyers
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are now seeking to overturn her conviction that whole entire
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thing is one of the biggest tells that this is
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a cover up, the fact that she was moved. It
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is incredible to me. It's something that should be a
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bigger problem to a lot of people because it really
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shows intent. No reason for Maxwell to be moved unless
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he's playing ball, and it's obvious she's not playing ball,
53:05
at least not for the survivors. Maybe for Trump, but
53:08
not for the survivors, not for us. So if you're
53:10
looking for a tell, if you're looking for evidence of
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a cover up, there it is rewriting history. In the
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early two thousands, mister Epstein, now extraordinarily wealthy and well connected,
53:22
seemed to grow less content with the anonymity he had
53:24
carefully drawn around his life and his business. In two
53:28
thousand and two, practically inviting public scrutiny, he arranged a
53:32
fly with former President Bill Clinton and a celebrity entourage
53:36
on a humanitarian trip to Africa. Details of the trip
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were soon shared with The New York Post page six.
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Not long after New York magazine published the first major
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profile of mister Epstein, Mister Trump provided the headline quote,
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He's a lot of fun to be with. It's even
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said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do,
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and many of them are on the younger side. But
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sometime in the subsequent years their friendship soured. Exactly when
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and why is unclear. After the allegations against mister Epstein
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slowly began to emerge into view in the mid two thousands,
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accounts mister Trump and his representatives gave of their relationship
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and its end began to molt and morph. Mister Epstein
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was kicked out of Our a lago for being inappropriate
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with a massuse or with the daughter of a member.
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Mister Trump had banned them for approaching employees or for
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being a creep. In other words, the story changes whenever
54:30
it's convenient, and like usual, Trump's just trying to set
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himself up as some kind of hero. The first public
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signs of a breach came in two thousand and seven
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with an anonymous page six item, right as mister Epstein
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was negotiating a plea deal to resolve the first federal
54:47
and stay charges against them. Mister Epstein, the Post reported,
54:51
had been banned from our a Lago for soliciting a
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massuse about eighteen years of age. The item appeared to
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refer to Virginia Roberts, who said she was recruited by
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Maxwell from mar Alago, spaj just shy of her seventeenth
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birthday back in two thousand, when mister Epstein and mister
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Trump were still close. Several years after the page six item,
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when Miss Roberts had gone public with her allegations, mister
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Epstein wrote to Miss Maxwell expressing surprise that mister Trump
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had not gotten more attention, writing that his friend had
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spent hours at my house with Miss Roberts. Miss Maxwell
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replied that she had been thinking about the same thing.
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In depositions in twenty sixteen, with mister Trump a leading
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contender for the world's most powerful public office, Miss Roberts
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said that mister Trump had never had sex with her,
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and that she couldn't remember seeing him in mister Epstein's home.
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She died by suicide this April, and Virginia told me
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the same exact thing. When her and I talked about this,
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she told me the same thing. So I'm not going
55:53
to sit here and make things up. I'm not going
55:55
to sit here and tell you that I have proof
55:57
that Trump was abusing people with Jeffrey Epstein. But what
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I will tell you is this, I think he's lied
56:02
about the whole relationship, and I certainly think that there's
56:05
a cover up under way. In two thousand and nine,
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mister Edwards, the lawyer representing a group of Epstein victims,
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set out to depose mister Epstein's circle of powerful friends.
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In his book, mister Edwards wrote that mister Trump quickly
56:19
agreed to a phone call. Mister Epstein was merely a
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business acquaintance. He told mister Edwards he cannot recall exactly
56:26
why mister Epstein had been removed from mar A Lago.
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He said he had last seen him at the business
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meeting at mister Epstein's pom Beach home some time before
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the allegations came to light. The only reason Trump went
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on record is because they had the falling out, and
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Trump thought that he was going to be able to
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slam it home and cause problems for Epstein by having
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an interview with Brad Edwards. What you think Trump cared
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about the victims. No, he cared how he could use
56:50
this information to his own benefit, the same thing he's
56:53
doing now, but in reverse hiding the information because he
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knows it's damning against him. Even so, in early twenty fifteen,
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as mister Trump began exploring a presidential bid, stories about
57:06
mister Epstein's widening legal trouble still referred to mister Trump
57:10
as his friend. Mister Trump and his representatives became more aggressive.
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Mister Epstein was merely one of thousands of people who
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had visited mar A Lago. Alan Garton, mister Trump's top
57:20
aide and lawyer, told BuzzFeed News. He was even more
57:24
definitive that following year, there was no relationship between Jeffrey
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Epstein and Donald Trump. Mister Garton told Fox News they
57:30
were not friends and they did not socialize together. This
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is what I mean, this is what we should be
57:37
focusing on the actual lies we can prove if we
57:40
do that, everything else is going to fall into place.
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When a reporter from the Associated Press asked mister Trump
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about mister Epstein in twenty fifteen, he responded elliptically. He
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was certainly a man about town, and because of the
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fact that is a small island, he got to know
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a lot of people, mister Trump said, referring to Palm Beach.
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When I started reading about the different things, and then
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things were proven, that's a different planet, that's a different world.
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Interviews in public records, however, indicate that mister Trump at
58:11
times had interacted socially with women who accused mister Epstein
58:15
and miss Maxwell of grooming or abuse. The federal case
58:18
against Miss Maxwell described her role in grooming three victims
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under the age of eighteen between ninety four and ninety seven.
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One of them, a woman known in court records as
58:28
Jane Doe, alleged in a separate civil complaint that mister
58:31
Epstein had taken her to visit mister Trump at mar
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A Lago in ninety four when she was fourteen. This
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is a good one, right, mister Epstein said, elbowing mister
58:41
Trump playfully. According to the complaint, mister Trump smiled and nodded,
58:45
and the two men chuckled. The victim said her case
58:49
ended in a settlement with mister Epstein's estate. In twenty
58:52
twenty one, testifying at Miss Maxwell's trial, she said she
58:56
competed in mister Trump's Miss Teen USA pageant. Jack O'Donnell,
59:00
who ran the Trump Plaza in Atlantic City for several
59:03
years and later wrote a critical book about mister Trump,
59:06
were called in an interview that mister Trump once arrived
59:09
at the casino after midnight one Sunday in September of
59:12
eighty nine with mister Epstein and three young women. A
59:15
state gambling inspector recognized one of the women as tennis
59:19
star Gabriella Sabatini, who was nineteen and was too young
59:23
to legally enter the casino. In a call that Monday,
59:27
the inspector told mister O'Donnell that all the women looked
59:30
very young. He said, soon after, mister o'donald called mister
59:33
Trump to flag the issue. This is a repeating pattern here. Okay,
59:37
once or twice you can write it off. This is
59:39
a pattern, and in my opinion, not so easily written off. Yeah,
59:44
Jeffrey likes some young mister Trump said, mister O'Donnell recalled
59:47
in a recent interview too young for Me. Mister o'donald
59:50
previously described the episode in Slate. The White House called
59:54
his account of fabrication. Efforts to reach Miss Abatteini were unsuccessful.
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Everything's a fabric right, Nothing's ever true unless it gives
1:00:02
Trump a good light. Whatever the cause of their latest
1:00:06
falling out, mister Epstein remained obsessed with mister Trump In
1:00:10
the years after their last known contact. He exchanged hundreds
1:00:13
of emails with others mentioning his former friend. As mister
1:00:17
Trump's political career took flight in the mid twenty tens,
1:00:21
mister Epstein's umbrage seemed to grow even as he maneuvered
1:00:24
to regain influence within mister Trump's world. He mocked and
1:00:28
criticized him in private, calling him nuts and evil beyond belief.
1:00:32
According to emails released by Congress, he resented mister Trump's
1:00:36
efforts to distance himself. The emails show his older, smoother,
1:00:40
former friend seemed untouchable while he was enveloped in scandals
1:00:44
once again, as more and more victims came forward with
1:00:48
their accounts of abuse. In an interview taped by mister
1:00:51
Wolf in twenty seventeen and published by the Daily Beasts
1:00:54
last year, mister Epstein described what he said was mister
1:00:57
Trump's technique for trying to bed the wives of friends.
1:01:01
Mister Wolf asked how he had such intimate knowledge of
1:01:04
mister Trump. I was Donald's closest friend for ten years,
1:01:08
mister Epstein replied, in emails, he hinted to friends that
1:01:12
he could take mister Trump down. He didn't say how.
1:01:16
All right, folks, Well, that's the New York Times profile
1:01:19
on the relationship between Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein, and
1:01:23
I think they did a good job in connecting the
1:01:25
dots here and putting things into context, because there's no
1:01:29
doubt that Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump had a friendship
1:01:32
that lasted for years. So for me, the real question
1:01:35
is this, what did Donald Trump know and when did
1:01:40
he know it. All of the information that goes with
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