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Murderous Colorado Dad Chris Watts Blames Dead Wife For Not Being More Like Mistress · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: In the last days, a stunning development in the case
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  Speaker 2: of so called killer Dad Chris Watts, suspect number one
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  Speaker 2: in the brutal murder of his two children, Bella and Celeste,
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  Speaker 2: and his gorgeous wife Shenan. I'm Nancy Grace, this is
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  Speaker 2: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: So called killer Dad, Chris Watts, believed by many to
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  Speaker 2: be responsible in the brutal murders of pregnant wife Sanan
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  Speaker 2: and his two little girls, Bella and Celeste, now blames
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  Speaker 2: his wife for his sex affair that quote led him
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  Speaker 2: to murder her and their two young daughters.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, you are to me right, kill her dad.
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  Speaker 2: Chris Watts continues to blame everyone but himself for his
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  Speaker 2: horrific murders of his wife and two little girls. In
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  Speaker 2: newly revealed letters, he labels his pregnant wife Shenan as
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  Speaker 2: a quote control freak, and claims he sought refuge with
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  Speaker 2: his lover, his mistress, who he writes, was quote everything
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  Speaker 2: my wife wasn't like with me. I cannot believe this
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  Speaker 2: man he is actually blaming Sheanan, the mother of his
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  Speaker 2: three children, two little girls and one unborn baby boy
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  Speaker 2: for his triple homicide. Okay, what happened in their disappearance
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  Speaker 2: and murders. I want you to hear the husband as
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  Speaker 2: he begs for help.
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  Speaker 1: I just want them back.
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  Speaker 3: I just want them to come back.
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  Speaker 4: And if if they're not safe right now, that's what's
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  Speaker 4: that's what's tearing me apart, because if they are safe,
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  Speaker 4: they're come back. But if they're not, this this this
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  Speaker 4: has got to stop. Like somebody has to come forward.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody come forward.
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  Speaker 2: The husband begging for help at that point, trying to
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  Speaker 2: find his wife. She's gorgeous, a million dollars smile, long
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  Speaker 2: brunette hair.
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  Speaker 1: Shannon Watts.
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking at a photo of her right now with
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  Speaker 2: her two daughters, Celeste just three years old, Bella just four.
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  Speaker 2: Straight out to Ellen Calaura joining us with crimeonline dot Com.
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  Speaker 2: H Ellen, I want to start at the beginning as
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  Speaker 2: this whole thing unravels. Tell me about Shannon's new job.
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  Speaker 1: I want to start with that.
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  Speaker 5: Shannon was having a lot of success selling weight loss
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  Speaker 5: patches through multi level marketing company, and part of what
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  Speaker 5: a multi level marketing job.
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  Speaker 6: Is recruiting more salespeople.
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  Speaker 5: So she was sposting on Facebook all the time showing
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  Speaker 5: how well she was doing. She was getting a car alliance,
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  Speaker 5: so she's got a Lexus. She's going on work funded
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  Speaker 5: vacations all the time. She's working really hard, but she's
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  Speaker 5: also having the time of her life.
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  Speaker 6: And us with what we later learned that.
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  Speaker 5: The family had been having financial trouble and they had
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  Speaker 5: filed for bankruptcy in two thousand and five, and Chris
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  Speaker 5: had reportedly told some neighbors pretty recently that they were
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  Speaker 5: thinking about selling the whole.
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  Speaker 1: Uh oh.
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  Speaker 2: Now here's a mom who has been devoting her entire
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  Speaker 2: life to raising the two little girls, Celeste and Bella,
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  Speaker 2: and then they hit hard times. The dad is no deadbeat,
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  Speaker 2: he's been working too, so they fall on hard times
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  Speaker 2: and they have to get out from under staggering debt
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  Speaker 2: by following bankruptcy.
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  Speaker 1: She manages to land a job.
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  Speaker 2: At about eighty thousand dollars year, but part of that
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  Speaker 2: job is having to travel away from her children, which
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  Speaker 2: she hated she would leave for work. And I believe
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  Speaker 2: this country is they call it health supplements. This eighty
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  Speaker 2: thousand dollars job, she had a lot of trips to Mexico.
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  Speaker 1: And Dominican Republic.
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  Speaker 2: Her work often took her away from home, and that
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  Speaker 2: leaves the husband, Christopher Watts, at home with the two
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  Speaker 2: little girls. During this time, she gets pregnant and they
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  Speaker 2: are looking forward to the birth of the first boy
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  Speaker 2: in the family. Also with me renowned pathologist and medical examiner,
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  Speaker 2: doctor Michelle Dupree, and forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor
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  Speaker 2: of Forensics, Jacksonville University and author of.
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  Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet.
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  Speaker 2: To you, Ellen Kilaurn, have you ever noticed realtors, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: realtors always have beautiful cars.
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  Speaker 1: I'm convinced they're all leased by the way.
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  Speaker 2: Beautiful cars, beautiful clothes, beautiful jewelry. And I guess it's
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  Speaker 2: part of the image they need to project. I mean, Ellen,
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  Speaker 2: if you're going to go look at an apartment or
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  Speaker 2: look at a house, you don't want to get in
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  Speaker 2: a car doesn't crank up. It's all ratty and disgusting inside. Right,
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  Speaker 2: So I'm not judging people on their cars, but it's
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  Speaker 2: a facade that they need to present. This mom got
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  Speaker 2: this job and had to present this facade exactly.
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  Speaker 6: It's part of the job to make it. It's part
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  Speaker 6: of the presentation to make the whole experience.
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  Speaker 5: Seem like something that you want to participate in. Her
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  Speaker 5: job isn't just selling the weight loss patches, it's also
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  Speaker 5: selling other people taking the kind of job that she has.
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  Speaker 5: She's recruiting as well, so she has to protect project
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  Speaker 5: an image that makes us look very, very enticing.
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  Speaker 2: So she starts this job, and even amidst the new
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  Speaker 2: job where she's really having to work and travel out
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  Speaker 2: of town away from her two kids, they still are
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  Speaker 2: considering selling the house.
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  Speaker 1: Ellen, Yeah, that a.
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  Speaker 7: Neighbor told a reporter.
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  Speaker 5: That just this week that Chris had kind of off
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  Speaker 5: handedly mentioned that they were considering selling the house. So
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  Speaker 5: it's really hard to say what their financial situation was like.
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  Speaker 5: It seems like obviously there had been some trouble in
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  Speaker 5: the past, but after they filed for bankercy is when
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  Speaker 5: Shannan got this job, and also Chris had been working
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  Speaker 5: at the petroleum company, so.
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  Speaker 6: They're both working.
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  Speaker 5: But it's hard to They've got two children, they've got another.
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  Speaker 8: On the way.
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  Speaker 5: That's a lot of financial pressure. It's hard to know
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  Speaker 5: how easily they really were making end because, like you said,
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  Speaker 5: a big part of Shannon's job was making the job
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  Speaker 5: look really really attractive to other people.
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  Speaker 1: All we know is that, well, what was his job?
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  Speaker 1: What was his job? Christopher Wats's job?
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  Speaker 5: As you worked for a petroleum company. He's been working
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  Speaker 5: there since at least twenty fifteen.
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  Speaker 2: I want to get back to her going missing, Ellen,
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  Speaker 2: When did that happen?
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  Speaker 1: Give me the timeline.
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  Speaker 5: She had just got back to get another work trip
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  Speaker 5: on early in the Monday morning hours.
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  Speaker 2: Wait a minute, I want to clear something up. I
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  Speaker 2: want to clear something up with me, Doctor Michelle Dupree,
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  Speaker 2: Joe Scott Morgan, also New York psychiatrist, doctor Judith Joseph.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I don't know if you have to travel
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  Speaker 2: for work, doctor Michelle dupre But it sounds so glamorous.
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  Speaker 1: It is not glamorous.
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  Speaker 2: Like this woman went to New Orleans, Toronto, Punta kind
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  Speaker 2: of Dominican Republic, Puerto Valerta, Vega, San Diego. When you
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  Speaker 2: travel for work, doctor Michelle Duprie, it is not glamorous.
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  Speaker 2: I typically get off of a plane, I go straight
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  Speaker 2: to the work soite, dragging my beat up suitcase behind me,
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  Speaker 2: and I get there.
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  Speaker 1: I work.
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  Speaker 2: I work late because I want to hurry and work
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  Speaker 2: as late as I can so I can get back earlier,
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  Speaker 2: end up spending the night in a hotel, grab something
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  Speaker 2: on the way, and then I get up as quickly
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  Speaker 2: as I can, sometimes three or four in the morning,
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  Speaker 2: to get to the airport to get back home.
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  Speaker 1: That's not glamorous, doctor Michelle Duprey, You're.
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  Speaker 5: Exactly right, Nancy.
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  Speaker 7: It is not very hiring, and you are worn out
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  Speaker 7: by the time you can hunt.
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  Speaker 1: So tell me this.
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  Speaker 2: She gets back Ellen from one of these trips, and
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  Speaker 2: what happens.
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  Speaker 5: She gets back late, early in the hours of Monday morning,
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  Speaker 5: he goes to work at five am. Apparently they stay
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  Speaker 5: up together for three or four hours talking, and he
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  Speaker 5: admitted that it was an emotional conversation. So that's going
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  Speaker 5: to be a really big question in this case. What
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  Speaker 5: was going on in that quote unquote emotional conversation.
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  Speaker 9: Well, so she wasn't seen again after that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, when one partner travels a lot. To
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Judith Joseph, renowned New York psychiatrists joining us, that's
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  Speaker 2: very hard. As a matter of fact, doctor Judith, when
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  Speaker 2: my husband traveled constantly, he would leave on Sunday nine
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  Speaker 2: and get back if I was lucky on Friday night
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  Speaker 2: our entire relationship when we had the twins, I said, listen,
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  Speaker 2: son's got to give. I cannot work and be on
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  Speaker 2: call for crime related stories twenty four seven, three sixty five.
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  Speaker 1: And you be gone.
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  Speaker 2: It's just it's well, you know what, he started his
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  Speaker 2: own business so he could name his own hours. But
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  Speaker 2: doctor Juth, not everybody is that fortunate to be able
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  Speaker 2: to just go run out and start your own business.
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  Speaker 1: And it's hard when one.
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  Speaker 2: That's very stressful on a family with two tots and
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  Speaker 2: another on the way, for one parent to be gone
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  Speaker 2: all the time. I guess they did have an emotional conversation.
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  Speaker 8: I agree with you, Nancy. You know, traveling is hard
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  Speaker 8: on anyone to even people who don't have children. Stuff
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  Speaker 8: us on depression, anxiety, sweep disorders related to extensive traveling.
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  Speaker 8: And so then when you put that stress into the
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  Speaker 8: mix with two young children, a husband who's hearing the
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  Speaker 8: brunts of things, and you know, traditionally in our society,
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  Speaker 8: some parts of this country are still very very traditional,
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  Speaker 8: it's not common for the mother to leave the home,
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  Speaker 8: and so there probably were a lot of feelings there,
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  Speaker 8: and you know, sometimes people become in the community about
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  Speaker 8: about this, and so I'm not sure what was happening
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  Speaker 8: with this fami in particular.
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  Speaker 7: However, you're absolutely right.
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  Speaker 8: Travel is stressful and when one parent has to stay
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  Speaker 8: behind and one partner has to stay behind, sometimes the
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  Speaker 8: imagination goes wild and their accusations of jealousy and infidelity,
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  Speaker 8: and we don't know what was happening in this family.
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  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Killer dad Chris Watts is actually blaming his dead wife,
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  Speaker 2: his dead murdered wife, Shenan for him murdering her and
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  Speaker 2: their two little girls. And they're unborn. Baby boy he
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  Speaker 2: was born by coffin birth, which means when the mom dies,
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  Speaker 2: the mom's body expelled the baby. Yes, he was born
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  Speaker 2: after his mom was murdered. He was born dead Kilerdacris
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  Speaker 2: Watts blames his wife, claiming she was a control freak,
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  Speaker 2: that that forced him to cheat with so many women,
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  Speaker 2: and that because of her Shanan, he was forced to
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  Speaker 2: murder her and Belle and Celeste. Okay, what happened in
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  Speaker 2: their disappearance and murders.
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  Speaker 4: Her flight got delayed from Arizona because like other storms
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  Speaker 4: around the nation, she's supposed to get home like eleven,
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  Speaker 4: She got home at like one forty eight. She came
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  Speaker 4: home from the airport two am, and I left around
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  Speaker 4: five point fifteen.
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  Speaker 1: She's still here.
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  Speaker 4: And like about twelve ten, and that for noon, her
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  Speaker 4: friend Nicole showed up at the door. Like I had
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  Speaker 4: texted Shan a few times that day, called her say
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  Speaker 4: you know, but she never got back to me. But
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  Speaker 4: she wasn't getting back to any of her people as well.
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  Speaker 4: And that's what really concerned a lot of people, is
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  Speaker 4: like she's not getting back to her but like she
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  Speaker 4: doesn't get back to me, that's fine, Like she gets
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  Speaker 4: busied during the day, but she gets back to her people,
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  Speaker 4: which was very concerning. And Nicole called me when she
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  Speaker 4: was at the door, and that's when I came home
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  Speaker 4: and then walked in the house and nothing is vanished.
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  Speaker 4: Nothing was here. I mean, she wasn't She wasn't here,
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  Speaker 4: the kids weren't here, nobody was here.
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  Speaker 2: We are discussing the case of Shannon Watts. We want justice.
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  Speaker 2: Shannon goes missing along with her two children, Bella and
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  Speaker 2: Celeste little Toss, and to top it all.
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  Speaker 1: Off, Shannon is pregnant.
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  Speaker 2: I recall covering a case and I learned a startling statistics.
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  Speaker 2: I believe it was from the New England Journal of
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  Speaker 2: Medicine that the number one cause of death amongst pregnant
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  Speaker 2: women in the US is homicide. The number one cause
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  Speaker 2: of death. It's not heart failure, it's not stroke, it's
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  Speaker 2: not anything you may imagine. It is homicide. Very disturbing,
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  Speaker 2: joining me, Doctor Michelle Dupree, Joseph Scott Morgan daughted you,
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  Speaker 2: Joseph and Ellen Calaurin.
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  Speaker 1: So Ellen, she goes missing.
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  Speaker 2: We just heard the husband, Christopher Watts, begging for help
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  Speaker 2: to try to find her.
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking this, Sooth.
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  Speaker 2: It's not like she'd run away with another man and
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  Speaker 2: bring the two little girls, Bella and Celeste with her. Also,
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  Speaker 2: she came home that night, she got home from out
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  Speaker 2: of town. She has this discussion, probably related to the
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  Speaker 2: out of town trips she had to take, and then
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  Speaker 2: the husband is for work at five am. She's alive
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  Speaker 2: and well, then, so how does she turn up dead?
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  Speaker 1: And where? Ellen?
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  Speaker 5: As far as I know, there were not any accusations
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  Speaker 5: of infidelity on her part, but apparently she did venture
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  Speaker 5: to a friend at one point that she was wondering
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  Speaker 5: if maybe her husband was being unfaithful.
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  Speaker 2: Well according to and yes, yes, uh Mark Geragos, my
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  Speaker 2: colleague defense attorney for Michael Jackson, Scott Peterson, Wenona Ryder,
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  Speaker 2: He'll tell anybody a cheater a murderer does not make
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  Speaker 2: and he's absolutely right.
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  Speaker 1: But I can tell you this, when.
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  Speaker 2: You have a happy family and a happy marriage, the
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  Speaker 2: husband's not waiting in the shadows to push the wife
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  Speaker 2: over a cliff.
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  Speaker 1: I know that much.
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  Speaker 2: I also know this problems allegedly servicing just in the
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  Speaker 2: past two months, because a coworker of Shannon's mom said
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  Speaker 2: they may have been headed for divorce. Right when they're
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  Speaker 2: turning the corner, Doctor Judith Joseph New York Psychiatrists joining us.
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  Speaker 2: They yes, they went bankrupt in two thousand and five,
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  Speaker 2: but they recently had enjoyed these lavish trips and alexis.
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  Speaker 1: Automobile thanks to her new job.
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  Speaker 2: It took out of town a lot, and then problems
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  Speaker 2: began to surface at home and looks like they're turning
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  Speaker 2: the corner on all their financial problems when she goes missing, Judith, well.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that that's the statistics that you mentioned
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  Speaker 8: about pregnant women and homiciding that you want cause of
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  Speaker 8: death is so significant, and people don't realize this that partners,
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  Speaker 8: people who are not pregnant husbands, they also experienced post
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  Speaker 8: part and depression and stress. And it's not the same
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  Speaker 8: cause it's not hormonal. There's a lot of transitions that
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  Speaker 8: people have to face when they're having multiple children, and
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  Speaker 8: you add the stress of finances, you add marital pressure
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  Speaker 8: and maybe a third party as someone who's engaging in adultry,
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  Speaker 8: and and then people exploded. And you know, I don't
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  Speaker 8: know this family in particularly haven't treated any of them. However,
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  Speaker 8: it sounds like they were trying to create this facade
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  Speaker 8: disappearance that things were okay, and clearly things were not okay.
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  Speaker 2: Well, another thing, Dotter j the Joseph as due to
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  Speaker 2: the Joseph, everybody has those problems. Everybody that is married
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  Speaker 2: with the family will have children to take care of, jobs,
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  Speaker 2: financial pressures. And she certainly was never accused of having
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  Speaker 2: a sex relationship with anybody else. So why does she
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  Speaker 2: go missing and what does all of that have to
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  Speaker 2: do with her body being discovered? Now, I can tell
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  Speaker 2: you this much to Joseph Scott Morgan, I'm sorry, but
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  Speaker 2: I just don't think men do as well as good
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  Speaker 2: a job as women do raising children.
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  Speaker 1: And here he is taking care of these two children.
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  Speaker 2: Ellen, how does it go from him taking care of
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  Speaker 2: the children and now she's dead and goes missing?
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  Speaker 1: Ellen, Come on fast forward, Alan.
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  Speaker 5: This is a husband who had financially struggled in the past.
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  Speaker 5: He's at home alone with two daughters. His wife is
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  Speaker 5: having a lot of success. They have another baby on
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  Speaker 5: the way.
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  Speaker 6: He could have been under a lot of stress, and he.
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  Speaker 5: May have felt that his role had been diminished in
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  Speaker 5: the family.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and I'm asking you, I'm not concerned about his
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  Speaker 2: male ego.
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  Speaker 1: Ellen. She's dead and now let me just Q and
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  Speaker 1: A with myself here. Isn't it true? Cops believed she
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  Speaker 1: was killed.
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  Speaker 2: In her home and then her body moved to and
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  Speaker 2: A Darko oil and gas drilling properties.
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  Speaker 1: Who worked there? May I ask you that, Ellen?
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  Speaker 2: Who do we know worked at an A Darko oil
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  Speaker 2: and gas drilling Name one person?
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  Speaker 5: Chris Watt?
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, That's what I'm talking about. Doctor Michelle Dupree
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  Speaker 2: helped me out here. Pathologist, medical examiner. You know what
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  Speaker 2: you and I talk about. When somebody kills, they very
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  Speaker 2: often will do it or dispose of the body in
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  Speaker 2: a place they are familiar. And I always point to
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  Speaker 2: Scott Peterson. He's a fisherman. He goes fishing in San
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  Speaker 2: Francisco Bay all the time. He fishes, He golfs and
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  Speaker 2: he cheats. He fishes, he golfs and he cheats. It's
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  Speaker 2: like rents and repeat on the back of your shampoo.
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  Speaker 2: He fishes, he golfs, and he cheats. Where is lazy
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  Speaker 2: his dead wife, an unborn child, Connor in San Francisco
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  Speaker 2: Bay because he's company there, he goes and dumps the
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  Speaker 2: bodies there, Doctor Michelle, you see it over and over.
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  Speaker 10: Exactly, you really do.
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  Speaker 1: We love it when they're dumb. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And here we've got in a darko oil and gas
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  Speaker 2: drilling one of those properties where the husband, Christopher Watts
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  Speaker 2: works and when to come and Joe, Scott Morgan, I
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  Speaker 2: need expertise from you regarding how they might know the
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  Speaker 2: mom and the two little girls were murdered in their
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  Speaker 2: own home.
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  Speaker 4: I called her three texted her about the times, just
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  Speaker 4: to say, you know what's going on?
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  Speaker 1: Like I didn't.
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  Speaker 4: I could for that for the after I called her
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  Speaker 4: and texted her once. It's like maybe she was just
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: busy like she had just gotten back, you know, like
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: everybody's probably calling her from her trip. She just got
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: backrom Arizona, and I figured just she was just busy.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: But when her friend showed up, that's what it was like,
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: it registered like, all right, this isn't right right now.
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: I don't even want to just like throw anything out there,
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: like I hope that she's somewhere safe right now and
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: with the kids. But I mean, could she event could
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: she just taken off?
• 19:37
  Speaker 10: I don't know.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: But if somebody has her and they're not safe, like
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: I want them back now like that that's what's in
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: my head, Like if they're safe right now, they're going
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: to come back. But if they're not safe right now,
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: that's what that's the not knowing part, Like if they're
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: not safe. Last night I was had everybody in the
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: house on I was hoping that I would just get
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: just ran over by the kids running in the door
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: and just like barrel Russian. But it didn't happen, and
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: it was just a traumatic night trying to be here.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Kill her dad, Chris Watts now blaming his quote control
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: freak quote wife, his words.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Not mine. I guess she did have to control things,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: since she was.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: The working mom, bringing home a salary, taking care of
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: two children, trying to decorate their home and make wonderful
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: dinners and dress the girls, all while she's pregnant. I
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: guess she did have to be a little bit of
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: a control freak, if you want to call it that,
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: I prefer to think of it as a loving mom
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: trying to give the best possible home and lives to
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: her children. And what did that get her with Chris
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Watts being murdered along with her children? This guy, if
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: I could just get my hands around his neck, Chris
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Watts kill her dad, blaming everyone but himself for the
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: murders of his wife and two children and one unborn
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: baby boy.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: We're learning all.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: This from writings from letters that he writes behind bars,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: claiming his lover was everything his wife never was.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: And just remember his two little girls, Bella four and Celeste.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Three, were in his truck as he carried their mom's
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: body to hide it at the oil fields where he worked.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: He suffocated the two little girls one by one as
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: they begged for mercy and stashed their bodies in oil drums.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: In addition to multiple handwritten letters, mostly about himself. He
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: shared his thoughts with an inmate, Dylan Tauman, a president
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: in Wisconsin who befriended watts Tallman was in a cell
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: next to Wattson. The two became friends jail buddies. Tauman
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: actually released a series of books titled The Cell next Door.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: He says What's confided that his marriage to Sheanane was unhappy. Really,
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: then where did.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: The three children come from?
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: What's whine that Shanan was quote really busy with her
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: job and that he was often the quote primary caregiver
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: to his daughters. Uh So, wats claims when he lost
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Wade and started working out, women started paying attention to him,
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: and he quote met Nicole. She was quote everything my
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: wife wasn't like with me. She was just nice and
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: not a control freak. What's also trashed Nicole Kessinger, claiming
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: she Nicole quote became the.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Death of me.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: He also called her a quote Harlot and a quote
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Jezebel who led him to destruction. Oh okay, so now
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: he's blaming his mistress. Okay, it's her fault that Shenan,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Bella and Celeste and the baby boy Nico are all dead,
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: he wrote a prayer of confession. Chris Watts quote, the
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: words of a harlot have brought me low. Her flattering
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: speech was like drops of honey that pierced my heart
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: and soul. Little did I know that all her guests
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: were in the chamber of death.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Can you believe this guy? What happened?
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: I don't want anybody to get some of those.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Texts, like they have nothing to do with this days
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: and they're.
• 23:34
  Speaker 11: Just like between you and Chris, Yes, they're just they're
• 23:38
  Speaker 11: just so just tell me what you're They're.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: Just kind of ronchies. Okay, Well need anybody, everybody's an adult.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: We're gonna where. I don't need that. I don't want
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: the papers to get that.
• 23:50
  Speaker 11: That's all I want, but only want that we would
• 23:52
  Speaker 11: be looking for again is the same kind of questions
• 23:55
  Speaker 11: we're getting to here, is things about his children, things
• 23:59
  Speaker 11: about his the questioning of did he ever you know,
• 24:03
  Speaker 11: has he ever said something to you.
• 24:05
  Speaker 12: That might indicate maybe not then, but now that there
• 24:09
  Speaker 12: was something like this in his mind, or you know
• 24:12
  Speaker 12: what we're looking for. I don't need to come out
• 24:14
  Speaker 12: and tell you.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: That you are hearing the alleged mistress of killer dad
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Chris Watts, and even in light of the fact that
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: his wife, his pregnant wife, and two little girls were
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: found dead. The mom Shenan Watts, buried in a shallow grave,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: the two little girls found in that's of oil. She's
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: still whining about how she doesn't want to hand over
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: her cell phone to investigators because there are quote rawn
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: she texts, unless you want it on page six of
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: the New York Post, do not.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Put it in writing, and really don't even say it.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: If it's something you're ashamed of or something you don't
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: repeat it, just don't say it.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: For Pete's sake.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: And she is in a homicide investigation because she doesn't
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: want the world to see her RAUNCHI text, like I care.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: About her raunchy text.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Well, in the end, she did not impede the investigation.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: She handed over the phone at Let's take a listen
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: to Nicole Kessinger, the girlfriend the mistress that finally comes
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: forward two days after Shania's disappearance, after she read newspaper articles.
• 25:26
  Speaker 12: Listen on Tuesday, which would have been the fourteenth of August,
• 25:32
  Speaker 12: you had read some newspaper articles on the thirteenth and
• 25:34
  Speaker 12: the fourteenth regarded this case you had. Almoso had a
• 25:37
  Speaker 12: conversation with Chris at some point during the day on
• 25:39
  Speaker 12: Monday and on Tuesday.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: Because of what you found.
• 25:43
  Speaker 12: Specifically, what you said was and I don't know then
• 25:45
  Speaker 12: me put words in your mouth, but you found out
• 25:48
  Speaker 12: that his life whispering, and I yes, and you did
• 25:52
  Speaker 12: not know that prior, and you found that out via
• 25:55
  Speaker 12: the newspaper articles, and that caused you concern.
• 26:01
  Speaker 13: Well, I just realized that he was lying to me,
• 26:03
  Speaker 13: and I was like, well, if you can lie to
• 26:05
  Speaker 13: me about this, what else are you.
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: Lying to me about?
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: And it made me realize that maybe.
• 26:08
  Speaker 14: His wife was in danger at that point, and it
• 26:10
  Speaker 14: was day two too and she still wasn't home.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: What did that cause you to do with your phone?
• 26:15
  Speaker 9: Though?
• 26:17
  Speaker 13: Oh? When I deleted those, I was just kind of
• 26:20
  Speaker 13: grossed out by him, To be honest with you, I
• 26:22
  Speaker 13: was just like, I don't know what's going on right now,
• 26:25
  Speaker 13: but you just lied to me, and I don't want
• 26:28
  Speaker 13: to see this come over my phone anymore, so I
• 26:30
  Speaker 13: removed it.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: So you just you already said, but you removed text messages.
• 26:35
  Speaker 14: I deleted all of his stuff because he lied to me.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: I mean that's what it was.
• 26:39
  Speaker 14: It was the hurt that made me delete it, and
• 26:43
  Speaker 14: then it was the lie that made me start questioning
• 26:46
  Speaker 14: everything else he'd been telling me for the last few days.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: And that's when you decided to come forward.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Yes, you are hearing the voice on Nicole Kessinger kill
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: her dad. Chris Wats is the mistress during this time.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Joining me now in addition to Susan Constantine, Vincent Hill,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: Ashley Wilcott, also with me is Ellenkilaur and Crime online
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: dot Com investigative reporter. You say there are inconsistencies, and
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: isn't it Trisha has some very unusual computer searches as well.
• 27:16
  Speaker 10: Well, that's exactly right, Nancy, and the computer searches are
• 27:19
  Speaker 10: what I see as some inconsistencies. As you hear in
• 27:23
  Speaker 10: her discussions with the investigators, she talks about her relationship
• 27:29
  Speaker 10: with Chris as one where he was more serious about
• 27:32
  Speaker 10: her than she was about him. She says repeatedly she
• 27:37
  Speaker 10: encouraged him to try and save his marriage. She says,
• 27:41
  Speaker 10: he has such a beautiful family, why not hold on
• 27:44
  Speaker 10: to this, this beautiful home. She says repeatedly that she
• 27:47
  Speaker 10: encouraged him to stay married and work on his marriage.
• 27:53
  Speaker 10: But once there was a data review of her.
• 27:57
  Speaker 7: Phone, it looks like me.
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: Maybe there there is some inconsistency. She had spent two
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: hours online doing a Google search for wedding dresses.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: She wait, is this the same woman that searched for
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: anal sex preparation?
• 28:16
  Speaker 15: That is correct?
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: You know it's funny how you gloss over the hard
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: parts and you make me say them. Okay, in addition
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: to the frothy wedding dress, I'm the one that has
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: to blurt out the anal sex searches.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Thanks Ellen. What else do we find on her searches?
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: She definitely.
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: She did a search related to terms marrying your mistress?
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Well, wha, wha, wha what? What? What did you say?
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: She did it?
• 28:43
  Speaker 6: She did a Google search term search of terms related
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: to the phrase marrying your mistress?
• 28:49
  Speaker 11: Is it?
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: She did a search on how much she could make
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: if she wrote a book like Amber Fry.
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: She yeah, I don't think it was specifically how much
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: can I make if I write a book, but she
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: absolutely was interested in She did Google searches on Amber
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: Fry and her book Dealing.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, let me remind everybody who is Amber Fry?
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Amber Fry was the mistress of Scott Peterson. Amber Fry
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: did not know Scott Peterson was married to a pregnant woman.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Amberfry then cooperated.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Completely with police.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: And actually caught Scott Peterson in damning cell phone conversations,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: wire tapping him and as a matter of fact, there
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: was a fear that Peterson would come kill her, but
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: she stuck it out and she was a star witness
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: at the trial. It turned everything around in the Scott
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: Peterson prosecution and the murder of his pregnant wife Lacy
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: and their unborn child, Connor. So you know, here you
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: hear Nicole Kessinger going, Wow, I don't want you to
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: find out to release my rawchy text. Amber Fry put
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: it out there and completely cooperated with police. She volunteered
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: to cooperate with police and was a star witness. She
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: then later wrote a book, and I hope she made
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: a lot of money.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Off that book.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: God bless her to Susan Constantine, deception body language expert.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: You know, I've got to give it.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: To Nicole Kessinger. Without her cooperation, this case may not
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: have cracked the way that it did. But according to
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Ellen Klora and there's a lot of inconsistencies.
• 30:28
  Speaker 7: Yeah, there are a lot of inconsistencies. And the thing
• 30:31
  Speaker 7: is is that it needs they need to go back
• 30:33
  Speaker 7: and be able to verify the information that she's given them.
• 30:36
  Speaker 7: But for overall, you know, when I'm listening to her Nancy,
• 30:40
  Speaker 7: there's a lot of truth in what she's saying. So
• 30:43
  Speaker 7: the issue was hard to come over. It's her lack
• 30:46
  Speaker 7: of emotion. You know, her emotion aspect is just completely off.
• 30:50
  Speaker 7: She's very cavalier. Her tone of her voice can is
• 30:55
  Speaker 7: really off putting, and so she really sets herself up
• 30:59
  Speaker 7: for really scrutinize her because her personality is shining through
• 31:05
  Speaker 7: about how she you know, how how she sees the
• 31:10
  Speaker 7: entire situation and she how detached that she is. The
• 31:13
  Speaker 7: part that bothers me the most is that she is
• 31:16
  Speaker 7: trying to pretend like, hey, I'm coming in, I'm the savior,
• 31:19
  Speaker 7: work things out with your wife, But yet she's kind
• 31:22
  Speaker 7: of like pushing them away, but then kind of motioning
• 31:25
  Speaker 7: to come closer. So she's she's very manipulative.
• 31:28
  Speaker 14: At one point, he told me that they sat down
• 31:32
  Speaker 14: and they talked about it, and he told her that
• 31:35
  Speaker 14: he wanted to either fix things or like to try
• 31:39
  Speaker 14: to fix things, and if she didn't want to fix them,
• 31:41
  Speaker 14: then they needed to like move forward with the separation
• 31:43
  Speaker 14: and like actually file for a divorce. At this point
• 31:46
  Speaker 14: was the impression that I got from this and just
• 31:49
  Speaker 14: what he told me.
• 31:50
  Speaker 8: And so.
• 31:53
  Speaker 14: He said that she was like pretty receptive to just
• 31:56
  Speaker 14: not trying. He was like, she seemed like she just
• 31:59
  Speaker 14: wants me go. He's like, when she has her mind
• 32:01
  Speaker 14: made up, she has her mind made up and that's
• 32:02
  Speaker 14: what she wants. And he's like, she doesn't want to
• 32:05
  Speaker 14: try anymore. And he's like, and neither do I really,
• 32:07
  Speaker 14: And he was like, it's done, and he's like and
• 32:11
  Speaker 14: then the next day, I don't even know what daisies were.
• 32:15
  Speaker 14: Sometime when he was out there, he told me we're
• 32:19
  Speaker 14: putting the house up for sale as soon as we
• 32:21
  Speaker 14: get back. And I was like, well that was quick.
• 32:23
  Speaker 14: And he was like, it's her. She's ready to go,
• 32:25
  Speaker 14: and I was like, okay.
• 32:27
  Speaker 15: It's the dramatic moment hops confront Chris Watts's mistress after
• 32:31
  Speaker 15: he murdered his pregnant wife and two daughters to start
• 32:34
  Speaker 15: a new life with her.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: Why would you.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Why go your family to be The just.
• 32:41
  Speaker 15: Released video shows thirty year old Nicole Cassinger being interrogated.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: Did you ever see anything get him about her?
• 32:48
  Speaker 11: Or never anything about his kids being a problem or
• 32:53
  Speaker 11: anything about.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: His wife being a problem.
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: Never?
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: This shocked me just as much as I.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: Can get shocked.
• 32:59
  Speaker 15: Right, she breaks down, sobbing over the gruesome fate of
• 33:03
  Speaker 15: the children, four year old Bella and three year old Celeste.
• 33:07
  Speaker 14: Ah, he's so disgusting.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: I'm so ashamed of him.
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: Why wha, why?
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: How?
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: I don't even understand how you could like bring yourself
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: to do that.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Somebody who's like that.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: Bit you are hearing girlfriend Nicole Kessinger, and you were
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: hearing our friend at Inside Edition, Jim Murray Susan Constantine,
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Deception of body language expert. What do you make of
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: that where Nicole Kessinger the mistress breaks down in tears.
• 33:36
  Speaker 7: Well, it came on very sudden, So that's the one
• 33:39
  Speaker 7: thing that I look for, and also how quickly she
• 33:41
  Speaker 7: recovers after it. So that's what I'm looking at, is
• 33:44
  Speaker 7: that it's not unusual for someone just to break down,
• 33:47
  Speaker 7: but when you listen to her voice, there is there.
• 33:51
  Speaker 7: I'm listening for these kind of breaks or pauses and
• 33:54
  Speaker 7: their voice. But I'm not really hearing that. I'm not
• 33:58
  Speaker 7: saying that she does not feel that way. I think
• 34:01
  Speaker 7: that she does. But what bothers me the most is
• 34:05
  Speaker 7: how quickly the onset of that emotion was and then
• 34:08
  Speaker 7: how quick it ended. That bothers me because there should
• 34:12
  Speaker 7: be remnants of it throughout once she has finished making
• 34:16
  Speaker 7: that statement, you should still hear her voice soil cracking
• 34:20
  Speaker 7: up afterwards. So even though she's emotionally upset, she quickly
• 34:25
  Speaker 7: gets over it awfully fast. That's suspicious to me.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: To Ellenclaurincrime online dot Com investigative reporter, you mentioned inconsistencies.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: What other inconsistencies have you discovered, because I think not
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: only was she genuinely upset about the best of the
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: deaths of Belle and Celeste, but also was distancing herself
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: because if she had known anything about this murder plot,
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: she would have been erupted at doing jail time right now.
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: Yes, one thing that I want to make clear is
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: that even though there are some inconsistencies in her story,
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: it's also very very clear that Chris Watts lied to her.
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: She did not know Shannan Watts was pregnant, and he
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: told her that Shannon was gritty ready to leave the marriage,
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: when that is one not true.
• 35:11
  Speaker 6: We see that.
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: However, there's one other incidant of the interrogation when Nicole
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: tells police that.
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: She never told any of her friends or anyone about her.
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: Relationship with Chris because it was very early on and
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: she was still, you know, working through a separation.
• 35:30
  Speaker 10: But that ended up not being the case.
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: She did have a text message exchange with a girlfriend
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: about her relationship with Chris, but and she called investigators
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: the next day and.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: Told them that Alexis Terreschuk not just the girlfriend we've
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: been listening to Nicole Kessinger, but also some other woman
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: who played these kinky sex games with killer dad Chris Watts.
• 35:56
  Speaker 9: There was a second mistress, a woman named a man
• 36:00
  Speaker 9: and her name was secret. All during you know, his
• 36:03
  Speaker 9: wife took their children to both of their parents live
• 36:06
  Speaker 9: in North Carolina. So she went for six weeks in
• 36:09
  Speaker 9: the summer with her girls when they were out of school,
• 36:11
  Speaker 9: to stay with his parents and her parents for a vacation.
• 36:14
  Speaker 9: And that is when he went wild.
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: He was like a bachelor.
• 36:18
  Speaker 9: Even his friends had joked with him, and this was
• 36:21
  Speaker 9: this was all the police report. Police report that the.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: County has released.
• 36:25
  Speaker 9: The friends sent him a text and said, how is
• 36:27
  Speaker 9: your life as a bachelor, And he lied to his
• 36:30
  Speaker 9: friends and said, oh, you know, I'm just working out.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: I'm not doing anything else.
• 36:33
  Speaker 9: He wasn't working out.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Working out there, working out.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: I can make a lot of crew judgs right now,
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: but I'm not jumping into.
• 36:40
  Speaker 14: A new relationship is a little quick. It's like I
• 36:43
  Speaker 14: was in a relationship earlier this year, and I think
• 36:47
  Speaker 14: this is also a little quick. And I'm like, so
• 36:49
  Speaker 14: why don't we take our time? And I'm like, if
• 36:50
  Speaker 14: you guys end up doing a week on a week
• 36:52
  Speaker 14: off with your kids and like the week you have
• 36:54
  Speaker 14: your kids being with your children, and the week they don't,
• 36:58
  Speaker 14: I'm like, I don't even want to.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: See you every day.
• 37:00
  Speaker 14: I'm like, I think we should spend like a few
• 37:02
  Speaker 14: days of that together. I'm like, because I like my
• 37:05
  Speaker 14: space and I think you need your space. I think
• 37:07
  Speaker 14: you need your space to like develop your identity again,
• 37:09
  Speaker 14: and like get it back because I think he's just
• 37:11
  Speaker 14: been like so wrapped up in this whole thing that
• 37:14
  Speaker 14: he's got in his own life and his life that
• 37:17
  Speaker 14: he I mean, he doesn't remember.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: Probably what it's like to like be single or have time.
• 37:20
  Speaker 14: Where it's like just him.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: And so I was just like, you know, like embrace that.
• 37:25
  Speaker 14: It's a beautiful thing, and I really try to like
• 37:27
  Speaker 14: take it smart with all that. And it was the
• 37:29
  Speaker 14: same thing with his kids. It was just like, you know,
• 37:31
  Speaker 14: like and I and we talk about things every once
• 37:34
  Speaker 14: in a while where you know, I'd be like, hey,
• 37:36
  Speaker 14: if I ever meet you know, because like I have
• 37:37
  Speaker 14: a lot of house plants, it's a good example.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: So I have a lot of house plants.
• 37:40
  Speaker 14: And I told I told him I was like, one day,
• 37:44
  Speaker 14: if I ever meet your kids, I was like, I'm
• 37:46
  Speaker 14: going to show these girls how to like.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Paint, pottery and plants plants.
• 37:49
  Speaker 14: It was like, I think they would love to see
• 37:51
  Speaker 14: something grow that they build.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: I think it would be really.
• 37:53
  Speaker 14: Really cute and like little stuff like that. But it
• 37:56
  Speaker 14: wasn't very frequent. It wasn't hey, we should get married,
• 37:59
  Speaker 14: and hey we should have babies and hay, I want
• 38:01
  Speaker 14: to live with you.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Hey, ne me to meet your.
• 38:03
  Speaker 14: Children now, and let's cut the mom out.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: It was never like that.
• 38:07
  Speaker 12: There was never any conversation about but you know, we
• 38:09
  Speaker 12: can't do this with her around.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: We can't do this with the kids around. He never
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: said that. You never said that.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe they didn't talk about the marriage and the
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: moving in because there was a problem his wife, Shananne,
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: the pregnant wife. You know, I'm listening to the girlfriend,
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Nicole Cassinger. Were these statements, like trust Chuck, before or
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: after the bodies were found?
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Before? Okay, so she didn't yet know that the wife
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: and the children were dead.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's a little that alleviates some of this, because
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: I was wondering, how could she talk about all that
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: when the bodies had just been recovered.
• 38:53
  Speaker 16: You know.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: Another aspect to this is police were listening.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: To her, but they were probably also looking at her
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: her as a potential person of interest, potential She did
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: not have anything to do with these murders.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Let's just be clear about that.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: So the wife and the children at this point are missing,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: and she's just talking as fast as she can. She
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: conveniently left out the search for wedding dresses to people.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Quote hate Amber Fry, who was Scott Peterson's mistress when
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: Lacey's pregnant wife was murdered, how to prepare for anal sex. Oh,
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: let's see, there's just so many to choose from. I
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: don't really know what to pick first. Alexis ter Restchuk.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: I doubt pretty seriously she knew his plan to murder
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: his wife and children, or that he had another mistress.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Bring us up to date to Alexis to Restchuck.
• 39:46
  Speaker 9: So I don't think she did know that he had
• 39:48
  Speaker 9: another mistress. There was a woman named Amanda and she
• 39:51
  Speaker 9: we secretly interviewed her before her name became public, and
• 39:56
  Speaker 9: she told us that she met Chris on a dating app.
• 40:00
  Speaker 9: They had a really dirty one night stand. She said
• 40:04
  Speaker 9: that he was into He wanted to do a rape fantasy,
• 40:08
  Speaker 9: that he choked her out while they had sex, and
• 40:10
  Speaker 9: she loves.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: In the ripe fantasy. Was he the victim or was
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: she the victim?
• 40:15
  Speaker 9: He was the victim, so he was the one that
• 40:19
  Speaker 9: was raping her in their sex fantasy that was consensual.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: She said, all that rage, all that hate towards women,
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: I just okay.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: Go ahead.
• 40:28
  Speaker 9: And she said that she really she had a really
• 40:31
  Speaker 9: good time with it. She thought he was really attractive
• 40:33
  Speaker 9: and it was a really sexy one night dancer. Yeah,
• 40:36
  Speaker 9: so he started cheating on his wife, his pregnant wife,
• 40:39
  Speaker 9: basically the same minute she got pregnant, and then he
• 40:42
  Speaker 9: moved on to not just cheating her, but having a
• 40:44
  Speaker 9: full born relationship and a woman who thought they were
• 40:47
  Speaker 9: going to get married. This is somebody who he facetimed
• 40:52
  Speaker 9: with this mistress. He so he killed his wife and children.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: Why are you acting so indignant that the mistress thought
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: they were going to get married.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Mistress knew he was already married.
• 41:02
  Speaker 9: I guess she had thought he was a marry in type,
• 41:04
  Speaker 9: but he would just bounce back from one and marry
• 41:06
  Speaker 9: her again. And so the night that the women went missing.
• 41:09
  Speaker 9: In the first night, I'm sorry the daughters and his wife,
• 41:13
  Speaker 9: he sat on his bed, his unmade bed in his bedroom,
• 41:17
  Speaker 9: on his phone, his iPhone, and face timed with her
• 41:20
  Speaker 9: so she could see. He said he was in the
• 41:22
  Speaker 9: bed where.
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: His wife had most likely died, and that he was
• 41:27
  Speaker 6: just chatting with her.
• 41:28
  Speaker 9: She said he was staring at her very intently, and
• 41:30
  Speaker 9: he wasn't crying about his children missing or his wife missing.
• 41:34
  Speaker 9: He was just carrying on like a flirty conversation with her,
• 41:38
  Speaker 9: knowing that his wife was He had killed his wife
• 41:40
  Speaker 9: and his daughters in that merry house within the last
• 41:42
  Speaker 9: twenty four hours.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Wow, you know, it's it's interesting that people worry about
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: the you, Alexis, let me be clear, worry about how
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: the mistress was hurt. You know, to hey with the mistress,
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: she knew full well he was married with children, although
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: although I don't think she knew the wife was pregnant.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Vincent Hill, private investigator, author of Playbook to Murder. So
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: often the defense will be and I remember Mark Gerrigoes,
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: who never agree with him, but he is a good
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: defense lawyer would always say, an adulterer does not a
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: murderer make, and that's true. Just because you're having an affair,
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: it does not mean you're going to commit murder. But
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: in domestic homicides, very often you will find when the
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: wife is murdered by the husband, there has been an affair.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: So the converse to me is true. Very often in
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: domestic homicides you will find the killer is an adulterer.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: True adulterer doesn't mean a killer necessarily, but the reverse
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: may very well be true.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: Vincent Hill. They had to know they were going to
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: dig up at least one mistress. Vincent.
• 42:49
  Speaker 16: What's really disturbing Nan too, I think with this other
• 42:52
  Speaker 16: mistress that he met on tender or whatever dating website.
• 42:55
  Speaker 16: It was the fact that he wanted to play out
• 42:58
  Speaker 16: this rape fan see and strangle her. I think he
• 43:02
  Speaker 16: was kind of setting the tone of what he was
• 43:04
  Speaker 16: going to do with his wife. And I wouldn't be
• 43:06
  Speaker 16: surprised if more women came forward at a later time,
• 43:09
  Speaker 16: whether it's from ten years ago, and say, yeah, he'd
• 43:12
  Speaker 16: liked to choke or strangle or something like that. So
• 43:15
  Speaker 16: I think all the signs were there this whole time,
• 43:17
  Speaker 16: and luckily for this other mistress, I think she got
• 43:21
  Speaker 16: out kind of lucky.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: To be honest with you, well, you know what, You're right,
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: You're right.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: And again, although we're giving her a hard time, she
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: is in no way implicated in his murderous plan. As
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: a matter of fact, listen to girlfriend Nicole Kessinger, you, no.
• 43:36
  Speaker 14: It wasn't fair to his family for him to have
• 43:40
  Speaker 14: an affair. It wasn't fair to me to have him
• 43:43
  Speaker 14: lie to me and make me think that having is
• 43:47
  Speaker 14: the plan.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: And still to this day, I don't even know what's lion,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: what's not. I don't even know if they were like.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: Filing for divorce.
• 43:52
  Speaker 14: I don't know if they were putting the house up.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: I don't even know.
• 43:55
  Speaker 13: I don't even know anymore what is real and what's not.
• 43:59
  Speaker 14: But what I do know is it's just like, you know,
• 44:01
  Speaker 14: that wasn't fair to me either, because if I'd known
• 44:04
  Speaker 14: not even all the truth, but like obviously some of it,
• 44:07
  Speaker 14: I wouldn't have even engaged in any of this in
• 44:10
  Speaker 14: the first place. And it just I mean, and that's
• 44:12
  Speaker 14: the part for me, just like on my personal level,
• 44:16
  Speaker 14: outside of everything that is happening that is gonna affect
• 44:22
  Speaker 14: me long term. It's like, you know, I'm gonna wake
• 44:25
  Speaker 14: up every day and know that like his mom and
• 44:28
  Speaker 14: her unborn child and these two little girls are not
• 44:31
  Speaker 14: around anymore, and it breaks my heart.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: It is, oh my god.
• 44:35
  Speaker 14: Any and then I have to think about like the
• 44:40
  Speaker 14: consequences of his actions and how they affect everybody else, like.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: All of these her famili's impacted.
• 44:47
  Speaker 14: My name is about to be like slandered for probably.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: A while, so called kill our dad.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Chris Watts now blames his wife for his sex affair
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: that quote led him to murder her and their two
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: young daughters. Life behind bars is too good for Chris Watts.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Goodbye friend,