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Mike Lawler | New York 17 Congressman Speaks on Heartbreaking Loss to Democrat Cait Conley on Tuesday Night · Sid & Friends In The Morning

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  Speaker 1: Mike Lawler is one of the smartest and classiest men
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  Speaker 1: to ever serve our country. And he is giving me
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  Speaker 1: his first radio interview since Tuesday night, which I'm really
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  Speaker 1: grateful for. Mike Lawler, good morning, my friend. How are you?
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  Speaker 1: I'm good, Sid. How are you? I'm good. I think
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  Speaker 1: you are good. I did tell people, I hope you
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  Speaker 1: don't get angry with me, but I did tell people
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  Speaker 1: yesterday morning when I went over the night before that
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  Speaker 1: you did get emotional about when you addressed your staff
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  Speaker 1: and your mom was sitting there and your beautiful wife
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  Speaker 1: and I was sitting there. This is before you made
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  Speaker 1: your actual concession speech. You did get pretty emotional. Are
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  Speaker 1: you okay with me saying that? Oh, sure.
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  Speaker 2: It's life, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Look, I've put everything into this job for the four
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  Speaker 3: years I've served in Congress and the two years that
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  Speaker 3: I served in the State Assembly. I made it a
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  Speaker 3: seven-day-a-week job. And I dedicated myself fully to it and
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  Speaker 3: to my constituents and to the people that I was
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  Speaker 3: blessed to represent. So, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, it's disappointing.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I think I certainly deserved re-election and certainly
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  Speaker 3: worked hard to earn it.
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  Speaker 2: But ultimately, it's.
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  Speaker 3: That determination. And I respect that. That is our process. And,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you have to respect not only when you win,
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  Speaker 3: but when you lose. And from my vantage point, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I'm very proud of the work that I did over
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  Speaker 3: these past four years in Congress. Very proud of my
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  Speaker 3: staff and the hard work that they put in on
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  Speaker 3: behalf of my constituents and A lot of time the
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  Speaker 3: focus is obviously on the member themselves and the attention
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  Speaker 3: they get for something they say or do. But the
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  Speaker 3: thing that I am most proud of is the work
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  Speaker 3: that we actually did and the constituent work and helping
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  Speaker 3: people grow. whatever their problem was. I mean, being able
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  Speaker 3: to secure a pardon for Mike McMahon, who never should
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  Speaker 3: have been prosecuted by the Biden administration to begin with,
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  Speaker 3: a decorated 9-11 ground zero police officer, never should have
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  Speaker 3: been prosecuted. Being able to get a Presidential Medal of
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  Speaker 3: Freedom for Wells Crowder, standing up for the Gorman family,
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  Speaker 3: The work that is done day in, day out by
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  Speaker 3: my office and still going to be done over the
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  Speaker 3: next two months to close out constituent casework. The work
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  Speaker 3: that we did to pass over two dozen bills, and
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  Speaker 3: I have more bills that are sitting in the House
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  Speaker 3: and the Senate that are going to be passed before
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  Speaker 3: the end of the year. That's the work I am
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  Speaker 3: most proud of. You know, politics is rough. You know,
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  Speaker 3: you put yourself out there and.
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  Speaker 2: You have a lot of people who like you. You
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  Speaker 2: have a lot of people who hate.
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  Speaker 3: You, no matter what you say or do, because you
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  Speaker 3: either have an R or a D next to your name. And,
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  Speaker 3: you know, in this instance, obviously, I think we ran
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  Speaker 3: one of the strongest, if not the strongest congressional campaign
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  Speaker 3: in the country. and unfortunately the bottom fell out, and
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  Speaker 3: there was nothing I could do. As I said to
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  Speaker 3: Manu Raju, Jesus Christ could have run, and.
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  Speaker 1: He would have lost. I think you're right. When you
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  Speaker 1: walked into the hotel and I first saw you, look,
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  Speaker 1: I know Bruce Blakeman is no dummy. He knew he
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  Speaker 1: wasn't going to win, let's be honest. A lot of
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  Speaker 1: these candidates knew they weren't going to win, but they
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  Speaker 1: put up a good fight and did what they had
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  Speaker 1: to do. You walked into the hotel. You thought you
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  Speaker 1: were going to win. I spoke to your mom on
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  Speaker 1: the floor. She thought you were going to win, and
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  Speaker 1: that whole... Place thought you were going to win. And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we were still waiting for the Westchester count.
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  Speaker 1: There were issues that morning in Westchester, and we thought
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  Speaker 1: it may be the next day. But you didn't wait
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  Speaker 1: at all. Before 10 o'clock, you addressed us and then
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  Speaker 1: the crowd. Some people said, why did he do it
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  Speaker 1: that quickly? I had to say, well, he did the numbers,
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  Speaker 1: and he figured out that no matter what happened in Westchester,
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  Speaker 1: he still couldn't win. It seemed to me, Mike, when
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  Speaker 1: you started to get the feeling like you couldn't win,
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  Speaker 1: you wanted to wrap that whole thing up as quickly
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  Speaker 1: as possible.
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  Speaker 3: Well, two things, okay? Number one, I've been doing this
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  Speaker 3: a long time. I started as an intern for John McCain.
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  Speaker 3: I've been doing this for 18 years. I know this
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  Speaker 3: in and out. And as soon as I saw the
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  Speaker 3: early vote numbers come out of Dutchess and Putnam, which
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  Speaker 3: are the two of the most Republican areas of the district,
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  Speaker 3: and that we were down– I knew we would win
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  Speaker 3: those two counties and that I would win on election day.
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  Speaker 3: But I knew my margin wasn't going to be big enough.
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  Speaker 3: And I knew my margin in Rockland wasn't going to
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  Speaker 3: be big enough. I won all three counties.
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  Speaker 2: I won those three counties.
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  Speaker 3: And, you know, of course, I knew I was going
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  Speaker 3: to win them. But the margin wasn't big enough to
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  Speaker 3: overcome what was going to be a big loss in Westchester.
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  Speaker 3: And secondarily, given the problems in Westchester County and the
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  Speaker 3: problems with the machines, I did not want to let
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  Speaker 3: this drag on. I didn't want to listen to the
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  Speaker 3: conspiracy theories and the nonsense. There was no shenanigans going on.
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  Speaker 1: There was no cheating, right? There was no cheating, right? None.
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  Speaker 2: No, no.
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  Speaker 3: There was a mistake made at the Board of Elections
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  Speaker 3: with one of their vendors who on the formatting of
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  Speaker 3: the ballot, and it screwed.
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  Speaker 2: Up the ability of the machines to count it.
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  Speaker 3: I did not want this dragging into the next day,
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  Speaker 3: and we didn't need national people saying that it's being stolen.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't want to deal with that. And so I
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  Speaker 3: made a decision to call Kate, concede, and, you know,
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  Speaker 3: make sure that I did this the right way.
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  Speaker 1: Now, correct me if I'm wrong. Even Kate Conley, when
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  Speaker 1: you called her, was surprised you called her that early, yes?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, that's true.
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  Speaker 1: And what did she say?
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  Speaker 3: Look, I'm not going to get too deep into the conversation,
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  Speaker 3: but just the bottom line is I... conceded to her
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  Speaker 3: and congratulated her and wish her well. And look, I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to do everything in my power. I'm sure we'll
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  Speaker 3: meet soon. I'm going to do everything in my power
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  Speaker 3: to make sure it's a smooth transition, something that I
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  Speaker 3: wasn't really ever afforded when I defeated incumbent Democrats. And again,
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  Speaker 3: I care deeply about this job. I care deeply about
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  Speaker 3: the people I represent. And, you know, sometimes you win,
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  Speaker 3: sometimes you lose. But how you handle it matters. And
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  Speaker 3: I've always believed in a very simple line about politics.
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  Speaker 3: Humble in victory, gracious in defeat. And you have to
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  Speaker 3: be gracious when you lose. And that's how I will
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  Speaker 3: choose to go out. As I said on election night,
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  Speaker 3: this certainly isn't the end. What that means when there's
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  Speaker 3: opportunity again, who knows? And if there's no opportunity in
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  Speaker 3: elected office, That's fine. You know, there's other ways to serve.
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  Speaker 3: But I care deeply about this country. I care deeply
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  Speaker 3: about this state. You know, obviously, this election was very
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  Speaker 3: much focused on, you know, national considerations and frustrations that
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  Speaker 3: people have nationally. I think New York has a lot
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  Speaker 3: of problems.
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  Speaker 2: That were masked by, you know, things happening nationally.
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  Speaker 3: And people voted accordingly. But I do think New York
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  Speaker 3: is in for a day of reckoning. This can't continue
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  Speaker 3: the way it is in New York. The reckless spending,
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  Speaker 3: the high taxes, the high cost of energy, housing, health care.
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  Speaker 3: You know, Kathy Hochul and New York Democrats. answer to
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  Speaker 3: everything is Donald Trump, but Donald Trump's going to be
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  Speaker 3: out of office in two years.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, the day of reckoning in New York
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  Speaker 3: is coming because, uh, you, you cannot run a state
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  Speaker 3: the way these folks have and expect that people are
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  Speaker 3: going to stay here.
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  Speaker 2: They're not.
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  Speaker 3: And the tax base is depleting and, you know, Democrats
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  Speaker 3: in New York got away with it because.
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  Speaker 2: The focus was on national issues.
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  Speaker 3: But, um, You know, the future of this state is
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  Speaker 3: very much up in the air. And I think, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we'll see. We'll see what happens in the coming years.
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  Speaker 3: From my vantage point, you know, I'm going to I've
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  Speaker 3: been doing this for 18 years. I'm going to go
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  Speaker 3: take care of my family. I'm going to go, you know,
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  Speaker 3: be home more and enjoy my weekend.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Make some money. Make some real money.
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  Speaker 3: Well, listen, it's time to do something else for at
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  Speaker 3: least a while. But, you know, look, I've loved every
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  Speaker 3: minute of this job. And like I said, I dedicated
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  Speaker 3: myself sincerely to it and did everything I could to
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  Speaker 3: fight for and represent my constituents. I'm very proud of
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  Speaker 3: what we were able to do. And at the end
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  Speaker 3: of the day, I walk out of it with my
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  Speaker 3: head held very high.
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  Speaker 1: As you should. I'm proud to be your friend, and
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  Speaker 1: I thought you did a tremendous job. Two more, Let
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  Speaker 1: you run. As soon as I went to my hotel
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  Speaker 1: room upstairs and it was over, Mike, I tweeted right away.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to stab my friend Trump in the
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  Speaker 1: back because very, very quickly Republicans call me. They blame Trump.
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  Speaker 1: Democrats were killing Trump, you know. J.D. Vansky couldn't wait
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  Speaker 1: to blame Trump, which he did yesterday. We'll get to that.
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  Speaker 1: So I tweeted right away that I'm not going to
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  Speaker 1: stab my friend Trump in the back. But if you
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  Speaker 1: had to do it all over again, would you invite
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  Speaker 1: President Trump to a rally in Rockland County? Yes.
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  Speaker 3: And here's why. He's the president of the United States.
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  Speaker 3: And I have fundamentally believed, and I still do, that
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  Speaker 3: you have to be able to deal with the president
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  Speaker 3: of the United States. And when I disagreed with him,
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  Speaker 3: I have said it.
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  Speaker 1: Mike Lawler, one of our best congressmen ever. I mean that.
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  Speaker 1: Suffered a tough loss Tuesday night because we all lost.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody lost. That's not, trust me, that is not a
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  Speaker 1: signal of what Mike did while he was a congressman.
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  Speaker 1: He's got two months to go. He's back with me.
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  Speaker 1: So the vice president puts out a tweet. I've been
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  Speaker 1: killing him for the last two days. I think he's disloyal.
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  Speaker 1: I really do. Saying that two of the main reasons
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  Speaker 1: of the four reasons he quoted some other geniuses why
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  Speaker 1: we lost these elections was Iran and Israel. What are
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  Speaker 1: your thoughts, Mike?
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  Speaker 3: So just to put a fine point on your last question, look,
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  Speaker 3: I would always welcome the president of the United States
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  Speaker 3: to my district. And no matter what, I think for
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  Speaker 3: Rockland County, it was a great opportunity to have the
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  Speaker 3: president of the United States come here. Uh, and so,
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  Speaker 3: you know, to me, it has no bearing on whether
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  Speaker 3: I won or lost.
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  Speaker 1: I agree.
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  Speaker 3: Um, you know, sometimes you just can't out kick the
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  Speaker 3: coverage and it just, it is what it is. I
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  Speaker 3: have a district that has 80,000 more Democrats than Republicans.
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  Speaker 3: Democrats voted Democrat. It's just, it's, uh, it is what
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  Speaker 3: it is. Um, so, you know, as far as Why
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  Speaker 3: we took such a shellacking? There's a number of factors.
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  Speaker 3: Number one, in certain instances, candidate recruitment. I mean, somebody
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  Speaker 3: like Paxson is one of the worst candidates I've ever
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  Speaker 3: seen run for office, and he sank the governor in
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  Speaker 3: the process of Texas. And sometimes it's a candidate. Sometimes
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  Speaker 3: you have members of Congress that are in safe seats that,
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  Speaker 3: frankly— take that for granted and haven't done the work.
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  Speaker 3: Part of the reason why I work so hard is
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  Speaker 3: I took nothing for granted and I had to earn
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  Speaker 3: my way every single day. And I think sometimes people
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  Speaker 3: take the work for granted and they lose seats. They
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  Speaker 3: have no business losing, even in a tough environment. Um,
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  Speaker 3: you know, yes, there's, you know, the president, uh, as
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  Speaker 3: a factor, you either like him or you don't. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: it's that, that cake is pretty baked after, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 3: 12 years on the national stage. Um, but you know,
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  Speaker 3: I think it's easy for everybody to put the blame
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  Speaker 3: on the president. I think at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 3: there's a number of factors. When you look back at
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  Speaker 3: the cost of living as the number one factor, all right.
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  Speaker 3: We had cumulative inflation of 21% under Joe Biden that
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  Speaker 3: raised the price on everything. And it is very hard
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  Speaker 3: to get the price curve to bend downward on certain things.
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  Speaker 3: And you look at, for instance, energy. When you have
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  Speaker 3: a state like New York that bans natural gas and
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  Speaker 3: blocks pipelines and shuts down nuclear power and utility rates
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  Speaker 3: go up 58 percent, you know, that is directly tied
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  Speaker 3: to policies in Albany. However, because of the war and
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  Speaker 3: gas price volatility, you know, I think people conflate everything.
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  Speaker 3: And it's just kind of like energy prices are up.
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  Speaker 3: It's the situation in the Middle East. And look, gas
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  Speaker 3: prices are notoriously volatile. They'll go up, they come down.
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  Speaker 3: At the end of the day, they're going to come down.
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  Speaker 3: The war is going to come to an end and
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  Speaker 3: gas prices will come down. But utility prices are not
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  Speaker 3: going to come down unless you actually change policy, which
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  Speaker 3: is why we're working towards permitting reform. You know, we
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  Speaker 3: work to address the cost of living, but obviously people
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  Speaker 3: aren't feeling it as quickly as they'd like. And the
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  Speaker 3: cost of everything is through the roof. I think that's
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  Speaker 3: the number one factor of why people were frustrated. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: the war in Iran plays a role. The administration did
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  Speaker 3: not do a great job of explaining why this matters.
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  Speaker 3: And I think the messaging around that has not been great.
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  Speaker 1: Not just the messaging, but they allowed it to go
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  Speaker 1: on too long. Trump should have done what he said
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  Speaker 1: he was going to do four months ago.
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  Speaker 3: Listen, I am a big believer when you make a decision,
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  Speaker 3: you better stick with it and you better execute on it.
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, one of the guys that was
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  Speaker 1: part of the problem besides Trump, Mr. MOU, Mr. I
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  Speaker 1: always want sea spiders, is the same guy going after
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  Speaker 1: us about the Iran war, J.D.
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  Speaker 2: Vance.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 3: Look, you have obviously strong differences of opinion within the administration.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I think J.D. Vance has very strong opinions
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  Speaker 3: on this. Marco Rubio has strong opinions the other way.
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  Speaker 3: All of this is going to play out in the
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  Speaker 3: next presidential election and not only on our side, but
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  Speaker 3: on their side. And I think this is going to
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  Speaker 3: be a very sharp choice between the two parties. There's
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  Speaker 3: going to be strong differences. And ultimately, each party is
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  Speaker 3: going to go through their primary process and.
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  Speaker 2: We'll see who comes out of it.
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  Speaker 3: But these issues are going to be front and center.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And, you know, I think obviously.
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  Speaker 3: There's going to be a lot of time to debate
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  Speaker 3: and discuss over the coming months. And I think, look,
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  Speaker 3: there needs to be a full post-op on what happened here,
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  Speaker 3: why this went so poorly. You know, at the end
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  Speaker 3: of the day... you not only had greater enthusiasm on
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  Speaker 3: the Democratic side, but you clearly had Republicans, some staying
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  Speaker 3: home and some actually voting for Democrats.
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  Speaker 1: No question.
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  Speaker 3: And so, you know, people people need to do a
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  Speaker 3: full analysis. You're not going to figure that out in
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  Speaker 3: 24 hours.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: Well, listen, let me just tell you what I've told
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  Speaker 1: you time and time again. And I think I speak
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  Speaker 1: on behalf of a lot of New Yorkers who really
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  Speaker 1: love you and appreciate your hard work. And I saw
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  Speaker 1: the enthusiasm there. Very close up. You and I had
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  Speaker 1: become extremely close. And I felt so bad for your
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  Speaker 1: mom on Tuesday night. I really did. She was in tears.
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  Speaker 1: But you, and now I'm in tears. You have done
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  Speaker 1: a tremendous job. And I would bet my salary that
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  Speaker 1: Mike Lawler will be back in politics because we are
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  Speaker 1: running out of good people. I mean that. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of really bad people won office on Tuesday night. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not in line with the Democrats now, okay? I don't
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  Speaker 1: need to be that way. I don't work in politics, okay?
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  Speaker 1: A lot of really bad people won on Tuesday night.
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  Speaker 1: And you are the antithesis of that, a great New Yorker,
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  Speaker 1: a great American, and a dear friend. I love you,
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  Speaker 1: Mike Lawler.
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  Speaker 3: I appreciate it, Sid, and thank you more than anything
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  Speaker 3: for your friendship. I've thoroughly enjoyed coming on and being
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  Speaker 3: as blunt as I am, and I appreciate you giving
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  Speaker 3: me the space to do that. And I'll continue to
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  Speaker 3: come on so long as you'll have me to talk
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  Speaker 3: about whatever, the issue of the day or whatever's happening.
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  Speaker 1: We'd love that.
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  Speaker 2: We'd love that.
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  Speaker 3: More than anything, let me just say, because I know
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  Speaker 3: so many of my constituents listen to your show, just
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  Speaker 3: thank you for the opportunity to serve. Thank you for
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  Speaker 3: your faith and trust in me over these past four years.
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  Speaker 3: And thank you for really just tremendous support that I've
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  Speaker 3: received across the district. It's been the greatest honor. It
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  Speaker 3: really is an honor and a privilege to to serve,
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  Speaker 3: to represent your community, to represent, you know, the place
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  Speaker 3: you grew up in, the people you grew up with,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and so I'm just forever grateful. I have
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  Speaker 3: no gripes.
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  Speaker 2: I have no complaints.
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  Speaker 3: This is politics. There's no pure victories. It's 50 plus one.
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes you win. Sometimes you lose. And, you know, as
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  Speaker 3: Rocky Balboa famously said, it's not about how hard you
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  Speaker 3: get hit. It's about, you know, how hard you can
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  Speaker 3: get up after getting hit hard, and that's really what
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  Speaker 3: it boils down to.
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  Speaker 1: We're up.
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  Speaker 3: We're still standing. There ain't no bell. We're going to
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  Speaker 3: keep going.
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  Speaker 1: I love that. What a great message. Mike, you'll be
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  Speaker 1: on this show often until you're in office again, okay?
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  Speaker 1: So thank you for hopping on today. This wasn't easy.
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  Speaker 1: God bless you. We love you. Thanks.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: All right, Mike.
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  Speaker 1: Michael Lawler right there, the amazing congressman who, again, coming
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  Speaker 1: off that, Very, very disappointing defeat on Tuesday night. Not
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  Speaker 1: his fault. Everybody went down in flames. At least he
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  Speaker 1: was close. A lot of these other candidates got their
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  Speaker 1: doors blown off. He was close. Mike Lawler.
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  Speaker 1: A new episode so you never have to wonder. What
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