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- 0:00Section thirteen. Enough appears to have been said by us of a true and
- 0:08false art of speaking, certainly, but there is something yet to be said
- 0:16of propriety and impropriety of writing. Yes, do you know how you can
- 0:24speak or act about rhetoric in a manner which will be acceptable to God?
- 0:32No? Indeed, do you I have heard a tradition of the ancients?
- 0:40Whether true or not? They only know, Although if we had found the
- 0:46truth ourselves, do you think that we should care much about the opinions of
- 0:52men? Your question needs no answer, But I wish that you would tell
- 0:58me what you say that you have heard. At the Egyptian city of Naukratis
- 1:06there was a famous old god whose name was Theuth. The bird which is
- 1:11called the Ibis is sacred to him, and he was the inventor of many
- 1:19arts, such as arithmetic and calculation, and geometry, and astronomy, and
- 1:26drafts and dice. But his great discovery was the use of letters. Now,
- 1:34in those days, the god Thamus was king of the whole country of
- 1:41Egypt, and he dwelt in that great city of Upper Egypt, which the
- 1:47Hellenes call Egyptian Thebes, and the god himself is called by them Ammon.
- 1:56To him came youth and showed his inventions, desiring that the other Egyptians might
- 2:05be allowed to have the benefit of them. He enumerated them, and Thamos
- 2:12inquired about their several uses, and praised some of them and censured others,
- 2:20as he approved or disapprov'd of them. It would take a long time to
- 2:25repeat all that Thamos said to theuth in praise or blame of the various arts.
- 2:34But when they came to letters, this said youth will make the Egyptians
- 2:39wiser and give them better memories. It is a specific both for the memory
- 2:46and for the wit. Thamos replied, oh, most ingenious youth, the
- 2:54parent or inventor of an art is not always the best judge of the utility
- 3:01or inutility of his own inventions to the users of them. And in this
- 3:08instance, you, who are the father of letters, from a paternal love
- 3:14of your own children, have been led to attribute to them a quality which
- 3:20they cannot have. For this discovery of yours will create forgetfulness in the learner's
- 3:29souls, because they will not use their memories. They will trust to the
- 3:35external written characters, and not remember of themselves. The specific which you have
- 3:44discovered is an aid not to memory but to reminiscence. And you give your
- 3:51disciples not truth, but only the semblance of truth. They will be the
- 3:58hearers of many things and will have learned nothing. They will appear to be
- 4:04omniscient, and will generally know nothing. They will be tiresome company, having
- 4:13the show of wisdom without the reality. Yes, Socrates, you can easily
- 4:20invent tales of Egypt or of any other country. There was a tradition in
- 4:30the temple of Dodona that oaks first gave prophetic utterances. The men of old,
- 4:38unlike in their simplicity to young philosophy, determined that if they heard the
- 4:46truth, even from oak or rock, it was enough for them. Whereas
- 4:53you seem to consider not whether a thing is or is not true, but
- 5:00who the speaker is and from what country the tale comes. I acknowledge the
- 5:10justice of your rebuke, and I think that the theban is writing his view
- 5:15about letters. Hmm. He would be a very simple person, and quite
- 5:24a stranger to the oracles of Thamos or Ammon. Who should leave in writing
- 5:30or receive in writing any art under the idea that the written word would be
- 5:36intelligible or certain, or who deemed that writing was at all better than knowledge
- 5:46and recollection of the same matters. That is most true. I cannot help
- 5:55feeling fightrus that writing is unfortunately like painting, For the creations of the painter
- 6:03have the attitude of life, and yet if you ask them a question,
- 6:09they preserve a solemn silence. And the same may be said of speeches.
- 6:15You would imagine that they had intelligence. But if you want to know anything
- 6:23and put a question to one of them, the speaker always gives one unvarying
- 6:30answer. And when they have been once written down, they are tumbled about
- 6:36anywhere among those who may or may not understand them, and know not to
- 6:44whom they should reply, to whom not. And if they are maltreated or
- 6:49abused, they have no parent to protect them, and they cannot protect or
- 6:57defend themselves. That again is most true. Is there not another kind of
- 7:05word or speech far better than this, and having far greater power? A
- 7:14son of the same family, but lawfully begotten. Whom do you mean and
- 7:19what is his origin? I mean an intelligent word graven in the soul of
- 7:28the learner, which can defend itself, and knows when to speak and when
- 7:34to be silent. You mean the living word of knowledge, which has a
- 7:41soul, and of which the written word is properly no more than an image.
- 7:48Yes, of course, that is what I mean. And now may
- 7:55I be allowed to ask you a question. Would a husbandman who is a
- 8:01man of sense take the seeds which he values and which he wishes to bear
- 8:07fruit, and in sober seriousness plant them during the heat of summer in some
- 8:15garden of a dunis, that he may rejoice when he sees them in eight
- 8:20days appearing in beauty. At least, he would do so, if at
- 8:26all only for the sake of amusement and pastime. But if he is in
- 8:33earnest, he sows in fitting soil and practices husbandry, and is satisfied if
- 8:41in eight months the seeds which he has sown arrive at perfection. Yes,
- 8:48Socrates, that will be his way. When he is in earnest, he
- 8:54will do the other, as you say, only in play. And can
- 8:58we suppose that he who knows the just and good and honorable has less understanding
- 9:07than the husbandman about his own seeds? Certainly not? Then he will not
- 9:15seriously incline to write his thoughts in water with pen and ink, sowing words
- 9:22which can neither speak for themselves nor teach the truth adequately to others. No,
- 9:31that is not likely. No, that is not likely. In the
- 9:37garden of letters he will sow and plant, but only for the sake of
- 9:41recreation and amusement. He will write them down as memorials, to be treasured
- 9:50against the forgetfulness of old age, by himself or by any other old man
- 9:56who is treading the same path. He will rejoice in beholding their tender growth,
- 10:05And while others are refreshing their souls with banqueting and the like, this
- 10:11will be the past time in which his days are spent. A pastime Socrates,
- 10:18as noble as the other is ignoble. The pastime of a man who
- 10:24can be amus'd by serious talk, and can discourse merrily about justice and the
- 10:31like. True, fidrous, but nobler far is the serious pursuit of the
- 10:39dialectician, who, finding a congenial soul by the help of science. Souls
- 10:46and plants therein words which are able to help themselves and him who planted them,
- 10:54and are not unfruitful, but have in them a seed which others brought
- 11:00up indifferent soils render immortal, making the possessors of it happy to the utmost
- 11:09extent of human happiness. Far Lobler certainly. End of Section thirteen.