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- 0:03SPEAKER_03: Welcome to the Flyer Show.
- 0:06SPEAKER_04: Hello and welcome to the Flyer Show from the Wadswick Studio.
- 0:08SPEAKER_04: My name's Ian Seeger.
- 0:09SPEAKER_04: I'm Ed Hicks.
- 0:10SPEAKER_04: And I'm Dave Corderwin.
- 0:11SPEAKER_04: This week we'll be looking at three great value light aircraft.
- 0:15SPEAKER_05: We've got news from Bristol and Icarus.
- 0:17SPEAKER_05: We'll be hearing about a pioneering electric partnership between two Swiss parties.
- 0:22SPEAKER_03: And if you fancy your own airfield, there's one coming up for sale in Ireland.
- 0:25SPEAKER_04: But first we have to say a huge thank you for Sky Demon to Sky Demon for supporting this show, and here is this week's top tip.
- 0:36SPEAKER_01: Hi, I'm Hannah from Sky Demon, and this is this week's top tip.
- 0:40SPEAKER_01: If you struggle to read the text on the map, perhaps because your screen is on the smaller side or your eyesight's not what it used to be, you can increase the text size as well as the size of the waypoint symbols.
- 0:51SPEAKER_01: Go to the mapping menu here in the corner and adjust as needed.
- 1:00SPEAKER_01: You can also change the size of the instruments in GoFlying Mode.
- 1:05SPEAKER_01: Go to Setup, Navigation Options, Instruments, and use this button to make the instruments bigger or smaller if you're using Sky Demon on a phone.
- 1:22SPEAKER_01: For more information, go to our website skydemon.ero.
- 1:29SPEAKER_04: Well, I'll tell you what, if you're getting old or if you're going blind for any other reason, that's a great tip.
- 1:34SPEAKER_05: Yeah, no, I we all joke about it.
- 1:36SPEAKER_05: It's like, can you see that?
- 1:37SPEAKER_05: But actually, there's times where you need different size texts in the cockpit.
- 1:41SPEAKER_05: So I like that.
- 1:42SPEAKER_05: Absolutely.
- 1:42SPEAKER_03: And I particularly like the way Sky Demon make it so easy and intuitive.
- 1:46SPEAKER_05: Shall we see what uh the forecast is looking like for this weekend?
- 1:51SPEAKER_02: Evening all, hope you've had a good week and looking forward to the weekend.
- 1:55SPEAKER_02: But it is going to be an unsettled weekend for flying, and then temperatures fall quite dramatically actually through the weekend and into next week.
- 2:02SPEAKER_02: So just be aware of falling freezing levels.
- 2:05SPEAKER_02: Something to check out carefully on the forecast if you are thinking about going flying, uh, particularly later in the weekend and into next week.
- 2:13SPEAKER_02: Now, um, no dates just of yet for my next Aviation Weather School part one.
- 2:18SPEAKER_02: All of them are full, but I'm trying to work out a few dates.
- 2:21SPEAKER_02: So uh if you want to come along, go to weatherschool.co.uk and use the contact us for that you'll see just in the top right hand corner there.
- 2:29SPEAKER_02: And uh you can fill in your details on there and just let me know that you want me to add you onto the list to be notified when the uh dates are announced.
- 2:38SPEAKER_02: Doesn't commit you to anything, it just means that I can let you know as soon as those weather school dates are announced.
- 2:44SPEAKER_02: Okay, so this is how we are for Friday.
- 2:47SPEAKER_02: We've got a front that's flying through Southern Ireland, through Wales, through northwestern parts of England.
- 2:52SPEAKER_02: It's bringing cloud, it's bringing outbreaks of rain and drizzle, reduced visibility over western coasts as well, and it looks like it is gonna be reduced visibility over southwestern coasts too.
- 3:01SPEAKER_02: So I think in all those areas non-verifar.
- 3:04SPEAKER_02: However, central and eastern out of the country, improving through the course of the day.
- 3:07SPEAKER_02: I think we're going to be looking at bases probably at around three to four thousand feet tops at around about 10 to 12,000 feet, but getting better but still breathing.
- 3:17SPEAKER_02: Messy across Western Scotland, some clouds here, generally non-verifiable.
- 3:21SPEAKER_02: Central and eastern Scotland marginal because of the strength of the wind, although much more broken cloud and sunny spells, and generally flyable across Ireland.
- 3:30SPEAKER_02: On to Saturday.
- 3:31SPEAKER_02: Look at that.
- 3:32SPEAKER_02: Low pressure is in control on Saturday, drifting into Ireland.
- 3:37SPEAKER_02: This brings an area of fairly heavy rain across Wales, across northern England, across much of Scotland, into southwest England, into Ireland, and generally non-verifiable.
- 3:46SPEAKER_02: Some Cunym is tied into those fronts as well, and pretty horrible overall.
- 3:50SPEAKER_02: The far northwest of Scotland fairs better, and after probably a fairly murky start, but just central and eastern England are better too.
- 3:59SPEAKER_02: Probably two to four thousand foot bases here, 10 to 12,000 foot tops, maybe a nice day to shower in the afternoon, and also just something else to watch out for low cloud across the southwest.
- 4:10SPEAKER_02: But certainly those central eastern parts are looking better on Saturday.
- 4:14SPEAKER_02: For Sunday low pressure, again in control centres over the top of it.
- 4:18SPEAKER_02: Not a great weekend.
- 4:19SPEAKER_02: It looks like for northern Scotland, we've got rain and non-vair farable here through northern England, through much of Eastern Ireland rushing, running down into southwestern England, Wales, it's not looking great.
- 4:30SPEAKER_02: We've got strong winds, we've got some Cuban and Nimbus clouds in there, we've got generally non-vairfile weather.
- 4:35SPEAKER_02: England and Wales again look a little bit better, but I think some heavy showers getting going, possibly thunder in the afternoon across central and southern areas, and that risk of showers through parts of the channel as well.
- 4:48SPEAKER_02: So it's not the best of flying weekends, I have to be honest with you.
- 4:52SPEAKER_02: There will be some windows in there in a few places as I've shown, but I think those are going to be quite difficult to uh track down.
- 5:01SPEAKER_02: But whatever you do, have a great, have a safe flying weekend, and I'll see you next week.
- 5:07SPEAKER_02: Bye for now.
- 5:08SPEAKER_04: Right.
- 5:08SPEAKER_04: Let's get to some news, shall we?
- 5:10SPEAKER_04: Get to some serious stuff.
- 5:11SPEAKER_03: Okay, well, Czech manufacturer Bristol, actually they're called BRM Aero.
- 5:16SPEAKER_03: Their aircraft is called a Bristol.
- 5:18SPEAKER_03: They've just earned the FAA type certification for the B23.
- 5:21SPEAKER_03: This is their 2C all metal uh training aircraft, but also for private users.
- 5:26SPEAKER_03: Um, they've just certified the base version so far with the 100 horsepower RoTAX 912 engine, but Bristol plans to certify the other models they've got, including the 915 IFR version, which has already been approved by EASA.
- 5:41SPEAKER_03: The approval from the States means that they can sell the aircraft and use it at US flight schools.
- 5:46SPEAKER_03: And that's absolutely booming at the moment.
- 5:48SPEAKER_03: There's a lot of sales going that way.
- 5:50SPEAKER_03: In fact, looking at Gamma's, this is the industry body, looking at Gamma's latest shipment figures that occurred quarter one and quarter two of this year, deliveries of piston singles are up 5% year on year.
- 6:02SPEAKER_03: So the whole sector is doing very well at the moment.
- 6:04SPEAKER_04: That's pretty good.
- 6:05SPEAKER_04: Didn't you mention something about us having sort of ready-to-fly Bristols in the UK?
- 6:10SPEAKER_03: Yes, I spoke to Farry, who is a UK distributor for Bristol, he runs a company called Bristol UK, and he's confirmed that he's going for CA approval so he can offer the microite.
- 6:21SPEAKER_03: This the microite version is what used to be called the NG5, it's now called the Bristol Classic.
- 6:27SPEAKER_03: Um, if he wants to import the certified models, there's another step to take.
- 6:32SPEAKER_04: Okay.
- 6:33SPEAKER_04: Also, good news for the C-42 fans out there, of which there are many.
- 6:38SPEAKER_04: Um, Icarus Comico, as you will know, there's been some issues over the last year.
- 6:41SPEAKER_04: We've spoken about it a couple of times.
- 6:43SPEAKER_04: There was some kind of not quite disappearing molds, but they kind of went elsewhere.
- 6:47SPEAKER_04: Anyway, the light aircraft company have got together and helped out Icarus and consulted with Icarus and have told us that they are pleased to announce that uh in the new partnership there will be a continuity of spares, and from November you'll even be able to offer new aircraft.
- 7:01SPEAKER_04: It's uh it's kind of a really important thing given the C-42 is pretty much the backbone of the UK, of the UK microlight training fleet, really.
- 7:08SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I know that's that's it's good news and stabilizing news, isn't it?
- 7:12SPEAKER_05: Because I think a lot of people were uncertain.
- 7:15SPEAKER_05: Absolutely.
- 7:15SPEAKER_04: So not just the UK, that will be a thing that really helps a lot of people throughout throughout Europe, really.
- 7:19SPEAKER_04: So a good thing, I would suggest.
- 7:22SPEAKER_04: Absolutely.
- 7:22SPEAKER_03: C42 is a nice little aircraft, it's very easy to fly and really lovely little thing.
- 7:27SPEAKER_05: Yeah, no, absolutely.
- 7:28SPEAKER_05: Absolutely.
- 7:30SPEAKER_05: What have we got next then?
- 7:31SPEAKER_05: Uh I've got some electric news, and that's uh two Swiss pioneers, uh, that's Smartfly and H-55.
- 7:37SPEAKER_05: Uh they've announced a partnership between the two of them.
- 7:40SPEAKER_05: Uh H-55 is going to supply the batteries to SmartFlyer for their electric hybrid aircraft, the SF-1.
- 7:47SPEAKER_05: Now you might remember that we saw the S F-1 at Aero Friedrichshaven uh in April this year.
- 7:53SPEAKER_05: Uh it's the weird aeroplane because it's got RoTex engine in its nose, which is basically a power generator uh for an electric motor in its tail.
- 8:02SPEAKER_05: Uh it also has um uh battery system, and obviously that's where H-55's expertise comes into play because they have been developing a certified uh system for their um B-23, which is a brist of an electric version of the Bristol, uh, which they've just flown across the US in a big successful tour and gained a whole bunch of uh orders.
- 8:25SPEAKER_05: Um so yeah, so those two are partnered.
- 8:28SPEAKER_05: Um uh SmartFlyer is an unusual aeroplane, but hey, we need some unusual aeroplanes to take us into the future.
- 8:35SPEAKER_05: So um hopefully.
- 8:36SPEAKER_04: So just to confirm that rotax in the nose and 912, that doesn't drive a prop at all.
- 8:41SPEAKER_05: No, no, it just sits there.
- 8:43SPEAKER_05: You start it, run it at one RPM, really.
- 8:45SPEAKER_05: Uh that's its most efficient RPM to generate some power.
- 8:48SPEAKER_05: And um, yeah, it's just there purely as a generator.
- 8:52SPEAKER_05: Pretty cool.
- 8:52SPEAKER_05: Pretty cool.
- 8:54SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
- 8:54SPEAKER_03: Well, there's an airfield for sale.
- 8:56SPEAKER_03: Uh it's called uh Wexford Lakeview, Lakeview Airfield.
- 9:00SPEAKER_03: It's near a place called Tarmon in County Wexford, about 25 miles from Waterford.
- 9:04SPEAKER_03: It's a lovely looking place.
- 9:06SPEAKER_03: It's 13 acres, grass runway 2507.
- 9:10SPEAKER_03: Uh that's around 370 metres usable.
- 9:12SPEAKER_03: Oddly, they say there's 500 metres hedge to hedge.
- 9:16SPEAKER_03: I hope we don't get to use all that.
- 9:18SPEAKER_04: Right, they could have like little wildflower buffers before the runway starts, like we've got at Waterek.
- 9:22SPEAKER_03: They could do, they could do, yes.
- 9:24SPEAKER_03: Yeah, uh I guess it's useful to know.
- 9:25SPEAKER_03: It's mainly used by microlites, by the way, at the moment.
- 9:28SPEAKER_03: There's also a 171 square meter hangar with sliding doors and a concrete apron.
- 9:33SPEAKER_03: The airfield is in uh open airspace, no overhead electricity lines or anything like that, surrounded by lush green country.
- 9:40SPEAKER_04: Most airfields don't have overhead electricity lines.
- 9:42SPEAKER_04: I can't know, but there's not either side.
- 9:44SPEAKER_04: No nuclear power plants.
- 9:47SPEAKER_03: Anyway, it's for sale at an auction on the 9th of October.
- 9:50SPEAKER_03: The reported starting price is going to be around 250,000 euro.
- 9:55SPEAKER_05: I mean that's a dream.
- 9:56SPEAKER_05: And doesn't it look fabulous?
- 9:57SPEAKER_03: It does.
- 9:58SPEAKER_03: Absolutely fabulous.
- 9:58SPEAKER_03: It looks amazing.
- 9:59SPEAKER_04: I think we I think every pretty much every aviator dreams of owning their own strip or airfield of some kind with a with a house.
- 10:06SPEAKER_04: That would be nice.
- 10:07SPEAKER_04: I mean, I know this wasn't doesn't come with a house.
- 10:09SPEAKER_04: No, it doesn't.
- 10:10SPEAKER_04: But um that's a bit of a dream, isn't it?
- 10:13SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
- 10:13SPEAKER_04: Does anyone not want that?
- 10:15SPEAKER_04: What's been going on elsewhere?
- 10:17SPEAKER_05: Uh so yeah.
- 10:18SPEAKER_05: Um uh good news uh from Roswell, New Mexico, which was obviously the home of the new home of the uh relocated of the relocated national championship air races.
- 10:30SPEAKER_05: Uh they've just had uh the relaunch of their of their race in that new location, and it all went well uh pretty much apart from some heavy rain on Saturday that stopped uh uh stopped the action.
- 10:41SPEAKER_05: Uh but otherwise, um the racing action concluded on Sunday with the final heat of the races um and uh everything went s went really, really well.
- 10:51SPEAKER_05: Uh lots of reports online, social media, people being very positive about that.
- 10:56SPEAKER_05: Uh the winner of the biplane class um was Tom Marsden in Pitts S1.
- 11:00SPEAKER_05: Formula One was a guy called Josh Watson in a Gilbert DG2.
- 11:05SPEAKER_05: Uh the Jack class was won by Bob McCormack in an L29, uh, beating all the L39s, which I always thought were faster.
- 11:13SPEAKER_05: Uh T6 class was won by a guy called uh Chris LaFave.
- 11:17SPEAKER_05: Um, but second place was a guy from uh Ukraine, a guy called uh Vitali uh Pitcher uh Pichesky.
- 11:25SPEAKER_05: Um hope I got that right.
- 11:26SPEAKER_05: Uh and uh Stall Drag winner was uh perennial favourite uh Steve Henry in his uh Yamaha powered Highlander.
- 11:34SPEAKER_05: So um I I'm hoping that a successful start to Roswell means that next year paves the way to classes like the Unlimiteds and Sport Class, going, hey, this all this was all good, let's join in.
- 11:45SPEAKER_04: Finally, um there if you've been around in aviation for a little while, you may have come across the name Rob Wilderbill.
- 11:51SPEAKER_04: He was the general manager at Goodwood.
- 11:53SPEAKER_04: He was probably the nicest person in UK general aviation, super helpful to everybody who met him.
- 11:58SPEAKER_04: Uh sadly, he passed away a few years ago.
- 12:01SPEAKER_04: Um, and there's been a scholarship created um in his honour, and it's been running a couple of years, and there's currently a fundraising auction going on.
- 12:08SPEAKER_04: It's an online auction.
- 12:10SPEAKER_04: Link will be in the description.
- 12:11SPEAKER_04: There's all sorts of prizes.
- 12:12SPEAKER_04: You can take a float plane experience up in Perth and including accommodation.
- 12:17SPEAKER_04: Um there you can fly with Ultimate High, you can get Ray Hannah's jacket, there's a Spitfire sim, but there are also some other prizes which are I'm not quite sure how to describe them, but should we just say smaller prizes?
- 12:31SPEAKER_04: One of which, the current winning bid on it, is just five quid from Mr.
- 12:34SPEAKER_04: Mark Greenfield, believe it or not.
- 12:36SPEAKER_04: Um, and that is for a used Poole's kneeboard.
- 12:39SPEAKER_04: Now, it seems to us that we should choose, not should choose, we should try to make that Pooley's knee board the most expensive kneeboard in the world.
- 12:47SPEAKER_04: That's a good challenge.
- 12:48SPEAKER_04: That's a good challenge.
- 12:49SPEAKER_04: I mean, nobody really wants a knee board.
- 12:50SPEAKER_04: Well, I don't want a kneeboard, that's for sure.
- 12:53SPEAKER_04: But you know, it's it's it's not about the kneeboard, it's about sporting the Rob Waterboard scholarship.
- 12:57SPEAKER_04: So let's all go online and see how much we can bid it up to, see if we can get Mark Greenfield spending a bit more money.
- 13:03SPEAKER_04: We'll spend a bunch of money.
- 13:04SPEAKER_04: Not a huge amount, but we'll spend some money.
- 13:06SPEAKER_04: Let's make that knee board much more expensive than a new version of it, for sure.
- 13:10SPEAKER_04: And then we can, you know, if we win it, we could put it on the wall called the Rob Waterborough knee board or something.
- 13:16SPEAKER_04: Okay.
- 13:17SPEAKER_04: That's a bit of an ambitious step, but let's make it expensive.
- 13:20SPEAKER_04: How much do you think a knee board could be worth?
- 13:22SPEAKER_04: I'd I it it has unlimited potential, doesn't it?
- 13:25SPEAKER_03: Do we know do we know who had it before?
- 13:27SPEAKER_03: No, but we could make it up.
- 13:29SPEAKER_03: We could make it up.
- 13:30SPEAKER_05: Give it a fake story.
- 13:33SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I'm gonna bid on it later, I think.
- 13:35SPEAKER_05: So at the start of the show, you heard Ian talk about the fact that uh we are looking at uh three great value uh light aircraft.
- 13:44SPEAKER_05: Uh and to help get this underway, we started Thread on the Flyer Forum asking for people to give us some ideas.
- 13:51SPEAKER_05: Uh, and there was some really good contribution.
- 13:53SPEAKER_05: We'll put a link uh to that discussion in today's video description.
- 13:58SPEAKER_05: Um but uh uh Ian, what did you go for?
- 14:01SPEAKER_04: Well, I went for the 7AC champ.
- 14:04SPEAKER_04: Um I flew a champ a few years ago now out of Comtonabus, and I it just made me giggle.
- 14:10SPEAKER_04: It's it's a it's a it's a great aircraft, super simple aircraft, put a smile on your face.
- 14:14SPEAKER_04: Every time you turn and forget to use your feet, it'll turn the other way.
- 14:17SPEAKER_04: The adverse you're always so pronounced on it.
- 14:20SPEAKER_04: I mean, genuinely, it's kind of but it's just such a fun, it's a simple aircraft, it's a basic aircraft, it'll fly for ages.
- 14:27SPEAKER_04: Um it was kind of first through in 1944.
- 14:29SPEAKER_04: It was originally designed to kind of compete with the J3, which was becoming the thing, and probably still is the thing in many in many places.
- 14:36SPEAKER_04: It was available with engines from like 65 horsepower, right up to 140.
- 14:40SPEAKER_04: I don't think there were too many of the 140 horsepower version around.
- 14:44SPEAKER_04: Um and they even built something called a 7FC Traveller, which is a well, take a look at this and tell us what you think.
- 14:51SPEAKER_05: Oh no, nose wheel.
- 14:53SPEAKER_04: I know, exactly.
- 14:54SPEAKER_04: It was like, oh, I don't know.
- 14:55SPEAKER_04: But you know, an airplane's an airplane.
- 14:57SPEAKER_04: Um I reckon you could buy one of those in the UK for about 15k if you if you happen to want to go to the US to buy one.
- 15:04SPEAKER_04: There's some available for between$25,000 and$30,000.
- 15:07SPEAKER_04: Obviously, you'd have to pay V80 and shipping and everything else.
- 15:10SPEAKER_04: But they do have some absolute, I think what the the Americans call them, cream puff versions, which are just beautifully, beautifully um restored and presented.
- 15:18SPEAKER_04: So I I think that's a great value aircraft that'll give you hours of pretty low-cost fun flying.
- 15:25SPEAKER_04: Um it's kind of it's a very zen aircraft, I find.
- 15:29SPEAKER_04: It's kind of like it's not, oh my god, everything's happening.
- 15:32SPEAKER_04: It's just like just chill, just fly along.
- 15:35SPEAKER_05: 65 horsepower will do that to you.
- 15:37SPEAKER_05: I guess it will, yeah.
- 15:38SPEAKER_05: You kind of have to slow down.
- 15:41SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
- 15:41SPEAKER_05: But you know, great aeroplane on a permit, so uh within your remit to maintain, uh, supported uh by uh plenty of manufacturers of spare parts.
- 15:52SPEAKER_05: Um 65 horsepower continental, pretty bomb-proof to run uh and maintain as well.
- 15:57SPEAKER_04: So it's it's tandem, but you fly it up solo from the front seat.
- 16:01SPEAKER_04: Yeah, which is nice.
- 16:02SPEAKER_04: Great visibility.
- 16:03SPEAKER_04: Super simple panel.
- 16:04SPEAKER_04: Simple panel.
- 16:05SPEAKER_04: Just it's just it's reduce things to the basics, it's a lovely look.
- 16:09SPEAKER_04: Not not to the basics where you don't have Sky Demon, obviously.
- 16:13SPEAKER_04: If you actually have to navigate, that gets a bit trickier.
- 16:15SPEAKER_04: Um but no, great, great airplane.
- 16:18SPEAKER_03: Is that the aerobatic one as well?
- 16:19SPEAKER_03: No.
- 16:20SPEAKER_05: Are you thinking of the Citabria, which the champ kind of you can see it how that development into uh I Citabria is a great, if we were doing low-cost aerobatic airplane, that would be a great, great one to be in there.
- 16:32SPEAKER_05: Absolutely super adaptable airplane, Citabria.
- 16:34SPEAKER_05: Love it.
- 16:34SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
- 16:35SPEAKER_05: Uh well I went for uh this.
- 16:37SPEAKER_05: It's the Jodel DR 1050, uh and it's basically it's four seats, well, two plus two, uh, operates on a permit-to-fly, hundred-knot cruise, and is fundamentally a good UK farm strip aeroplane.
- 16:52SPEAKER_05: Uh built between 1958 and 67, uh, most used a 100 horsepower Continental 0200, though there was a version uh with a 105 horsepower Potez engine as well.
- 17:03SPEAKER_05: Uh, it was made famous uh by uh Pierre Robin because he raced it with his wife uh in the Circuit of Sicily races, and that meant that every year they came up with a version that was ever so slightly faster than the last one.
- 17:17SPEAKER_05: So we started off with the ambassadeur, and then I had the Sicile and the Sicile record, and then it ended with the Excellence.
- 17:24SPEAKER_05: Um but basically there's a whole range of 1050s if you fancy one of those and you want to choose from that.
- 17:32SPEAKER_05: And they are you will probably spend anywhere between about 25 and 35,000 pounds on one of those.
- 17:39SPEAKER_05: And okay, that's not as cheap as your champ, but that does give you a pretty versatile aeroplane.
- 17:44SPEAKER_05: It's good for strips, uh good load carrying capability.
- 17:48SPEAKER_05: Okay, it may not be the biggest cockpit, but I have flown a couple of different versions and I do fit.
- 17:54SPEAKER_05: It's all right.
- 17:54SPEAKER_05: I don't have to sit there with my net completely craned over.
- 17:57SPEAKER_05: But they are fun and they are characterful, they're easy to maintain, and they are really rewarding.
- 18:07SPEAKER_05: No, you if you have if you go out and get tail dragger skills, you will be Yeah.
- 18:12SPEAKER_05: Don't read a book and teach yourself.
- 18:14SPEAKER_05: No, no, go out, get some proper training, but that will put you in a perfect place to operate a 1050.
- 18:18SPEAKER_05: You know, I think they also they just look the good one just looks lovely.
- 18:23SPEAKER_05: Yes.
- 18:24SPEAKER_05: Yeah, absolutely.
- 18:25SPEAKER_05: Yeah, no, I yeah.
- 18:26SPEAKER_05: Um just pick your price point and buy in.
- 18:29SPEAKER_05: I think they're lovely.
- 18:30SPEAKER_04: I guess the b the biggest downside that we kind of have to mention in the whole Jodel conversation is although it will give you some really good value low-cost flying, they really do need to be hangered.
- 18:39SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
- 18:40SPEAKER_04: And in parts of the country that's expensive as well.
- 18:42SPEAKER_05: That is, yeah.
- 18:42SPEAKER_05: I guess a bit like your champ.
- 18:44SPEAKER_05: Yeah, a bit like my champ.
- 18:45SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
- 18:46SPEAKER_05: So and obviously the champs big wingspan, isn't it?
- 18:49SPEAKER_05: So at least the Jodel, tiny bit smaller.
- 18:51SPEAKER_05: Cranked wings.
- 18:52SPEAKER_05: Cranked wings.
- 18:53SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
- 18:54SPEAKER_05: So uh, but yeah, 1050, I really like that.
- 18:56SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
- 18:57SPEAKER_03: So that's a good aircraft.
- 18:58SPEAKER_03: Um I was looking for a high wing aircraft with two seats side by side rather than in tandem.
- 19:04SPEAKER_03: Uh my high wing is because uh they're a lot easier to get into and out of uh if your knees and back are not quite as good as they used to be.
- 19:12SPEAKER_04: Do you know anybody like that?
- 19:13SPEAKER_03: I I can't think of anybody really, other than anyway.
- 19:17SPEAKER_03: Uh so anyway, that limits the choice.
- 19:19SPEAKER_03: Um, so I and I uh you're not you won't be surprised I've chosen the Luscomate.
- 19:24SPEAKER_03: Wow! Didn't see that coming?
- 19:26SPEAKER_03: That's remarkable.
- 19:27SPEAKER_03: Well, hang on a second.
- 19:28SPEAKER_03: I have owned one in the past, but now I've been looking around and I found three examples for sale at the moment in the UK.
- 19:34SPEAKER_03: Uh two priced in the mid-2000s, or one priced above 45,000.
- 19:39SPEAKER_03: Um, the price differential comes down to condition, equipment, and preference.
- 19:44SPEAKER_03: Um because there's there's eight A's right up to eight E's, and even a few eight Fs around.
- 19:50SPEAKER_03: Um mine is for the later ones, which are all metal rather than the earlier ragwing types.
- 19:56SPEAKER_03: And also I prefer the more powerful C85 or C90 engines, mainly because I want an electric start.
- 20:03SPEAKER_03: I really don't fancy hand starts.
- 20:04SPEAKER_04: Yeah, if you're going for the if you're going for the easy to get in and out, then you don't really want the gymnastics of a hand start as well.
- 20:11SPEAKER_03: No, no.
- 20:12SPEAKER_03: So anyway, so yes, Luscombs are old, they're coming up to 80 uh next year having a little celebration of to the European Luscombs.
- 20:18SPEAKER_03: They're a touch on the cramped side, but then you know, most aircraft of that age are.
- 20:22SPEAKER_03: And Cessna 152, 150, they're not exactly big to get into either.
- 20:26SPEAKER_03: Unlike the Cessna 150 and 152, the Luscombs have got a stick, and for me that transforms the whole final flying uh rather than a yoke.
- 20:35SPEAKER_03: Some Luscombs also have a very lovely art deco interior and panel.
- 20:40SPEAKER_03: Not all of them because they've been messed around a bit over the years, some of them do.
- 20:44SPEAKER_03: There's also there's 64 examples on the UK register at the moment.
- 20:48SPEAKER_03: Um, there's still plenty in the USA, and there's a couple of dealers who specialise in the parts.
- 20:53SPEAKER_03: Um so and they come up for sale at a sensible price.
- 20:56SPEAKER_03: There's nothing very complicated about Aluscom.
- 20:59SPEAKER_03: Um, lastly, of course, are an absolute hoot to fly.
- 21:03SPEAKER_05: What did the wisdom of the thread bring?
- 21:04SPEAKER_05: The wisdom of the thread was quite wise.
- 21:07SPEAKER_05: It was quite wise.
- 21:08SPEAKER_05: Um it was uh there was uh loads of really uh really good contributions, so thanks for that.
- 21:13SPEAKER_05: Um other aeroplanes suggested.
- 21:16SPEAKER_05: Uh someone suggested the CTSW, uh the Taylorcraft BC twelve, um Murphy Rebel, um, Grupo Trail, and the Emmerode, all featured.
- 21:26SPEAKER_05: Uh there was one uh one uh suggestion of the Pulsar, um 105 knots on 16 litres an hour.
- 21:33SPEAKER_05: That's a two-stroke.
- 21:34SPEAKER_05: Uh looks fantastic, flies superb, says the owner.
- 21:37SPEAKER_05: Um zero time overhaul, 2K.
- 21:40SPEAKER_05: Um quite a rare aeroplane though, so not too many of those.
- 21:43SPEAKER_05: Uh someone said, How about the rally?
- 21:45SPEAKER_05: It's four seats, five hours endurance, and true stall, uh safe handling.
- 21:49SPEAKER_05: And yes, the rally's nice, but it's on it's in the more regulated maintenance regime, isn't it?
- 21:55SPEAKER_05: I think if you're gonna buy something that's low cost, you need to think you go It's the whole pattern.
- 22:00SPEAKER_05: That's it.
- 22:00SPEAKER_05: It's the whole package.
- 22:01SPEAKER_05: It might be cheap, but it might be cheap for a reason.
- 22:03SPEAKER_05: Also featuring Joe Donald, D11, Kit Fox.
- 22:14SPEAKER_05: Which we weren't aiming for, but it's a good point.
- 22:17SPEAKER_05: Things like Taylor Monoplane, Brugger Calibri, VP1, Luton Minor, if you want to get flying, then those single seaters are the absolute budget basement.
- 22:26SPEAKER_05: But kind of I think this was more about low-cost aviation that gave you a more a a more rounded package.
- 22:33SPEAKER_05: Maybe for a lot of people, at least having one other seat and probably being enclosed are the the the two kind of plus you two kind of plus points.
- 22:43SPEAKER_05: Trevor Burrus, Jr.
- 22:43SPEAKER_04: I mean single seats are something quite special to fly and and lovely to fly it, but they're so there's there's a social aspect of flying that's tough with a single seat.
- 23:02SPEAKER_03: No.
- 23:03SPEAKER_03: So you can't do that.
- 23:03SPEAKER_04: No, you probably your your capital is is not going to grow.
- 23:06SPEAKER_05: Well it may grow, but and I think you can you can safely buy in, and if you choose, if you go, I've done my time with this, you can safely sell on.
- 23:15SPEAKER_05: I think you're not you're not going to be put in a position of risk of going, well, I just I I bought in and all my money's gone.
- 23:20SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
- 23:21SPEAKER_04: Good point.
- 23:22SPEAKER_04: Good point.
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- 25:01SPEAKER_05: Okay, obviously the big question of the week is what caught your eye, uh Ian.
- 25:06SPEAKER_04: Well, what caught my eye was something I need to look at.
- 25:09SPEAKER_04: This got one of those ridiculous names.
- 25:11SPEAKER_04: It's called an ASM N2 BAT.
- 25:13SPEAKER_04: Uh, and it's a glider.
- 25:14SPEAKER_04: So I'm gonna claim that this is an aviation.
- 25:17SPEAKER_04: This caught my eye in aviation.
- 25:18SPEAKER_04: It was actually a glider, it was kind of I guess it was the drone early runner, because it was it was developed as a as a test bed for radar guided missiles.
- 25:27SPEAKER_04: Now that you know, radar guiding missiles, we all know a bit about those, not that much.
- 25:32SPEAKER_04: Um, but but during the war that was being developed.
- 25:34SPEAKER_04: Um but there was also a guy called BF Skinner, um, called BF because his real name is Burhus Frederick, um, which so I will stick to BF.
- 25:45SPEAKER_04: He was a psychologist and an inventor, and he kind of believed, you go, you know what?
- 25:49SPEAKER_04: I think there's an easy way of getting radar guided missiles, well not radar, of getting guided missiles, and I'm gonna try and develop it with using this ASMN2 bat.
- 25:58SPEAKER_04: So basically the idea was you get three pigeons.
- 26:05SPEAKER_04: Trust me on this, you you put the three pigeons in a little bit in the nose, and they each have a screen in front of them that's on pivots.
- 26:14SPEAKER_04: And they're basically trained so that when the image on the screen shows something they recognize, like a battleship.
- 26:21SPEAKER_04: I don't know how they recognize between friend or foe.
- 26:24SPEAKER_04: I don't know how you get the the friend or foe thing going.
- 26:27SPEAKER_05: How a pigeon goes, oh look, it's a battleship.
- 26:28SPEAKER_04: Well, I think they would have been pre-trained pigeons.
- 26:30SPEAKER_04: There would have been ground school for pigeons.
- 26:32SPEAKER_04: Um there was ground school for pigeons.
- 26:34SPEAKER_04: So you put these three pigeons in, and these screens are all on kind of like gimbal type arrangements.
- 26:41SPEAKER_04: And if the battleship moves out, starts to move out of the screen, then they were trained to peck it in such a way that it moves it back central.
- 26:50SPEAKER_04: Wow.
- 26:51SPEAKER_04: And the aircraft picked up on the movements of these screens on gimbals, um, and then used that to change the flight controls of the glider and aim it towards the thing.
- 26:59SPEAKER_04: It was absolutely brilliant.
- 27:01SPEAKER_04: Uh, unfortunately, pigeons don't always agree.
- 27:03SPEAKER_04: So there was a system whereby a vote was taken, obviously not like a proper vote, there's no canvassing or anything.
- 27:12SPEAKER_04: Put your leg up.
- 27:14SPEAKER_04: Um where if two of the pigeons agreed, it followed that.
- 27:17SPEAKER_04: And the third pigeon was somehow punished in an unspecified fashion.
- 27:22SPEAKER_04: So I imagine it had some kind of electronic device that gave them a little bit of thing.
- 27:27SPEAKER_04: Um and effectively the the pigeons guided this glider to its target.
- 27:32SPEAKER_04: Now the pigeons obviously met a bit of a sad and explosive end uh at the end of this.
- 27:38SPEAKER_04: The original suicide bombers.
- 27:39SPEAKER_04: The original suicide bombers, yeah, indeed.
- 27:42SPEAKER_04: Um and unfortunately for the pigeons, at least, it turned out that the actual proper radar guided stuff, which was being developed at the same time, became ever more reliable and better.
- 27:52SPEAKER_04: And so in 1944, the whole thing was scrapped.
- 27:56SPEAKER_04: But as recently as 2024, um Skinner was awarded an Ignoble prize.
- 28:02SPEAKER_04: Uh Ignoble prizes are basically things that goes to effectively mad science that's kind of got a bit of a strange idea.
- 28:08SPEAKER_04: But I thought that kind of caught my eye.
- 28:10SPEAKER_05: It was kind of fun.
- 28:10SPEAKER_05: Do you think maybe successful radar guidance was actually invented by pigeons who went we're gonna have to stop getting used for that?
- 28:18SPEAKER_04: It's a bit like those ads in America where you by the side of the road, which are basically cows going, eat more chicken.
- 28:23SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
- 28:23SPEAKER_05: That kind of thing.
- 28:24SPEAKER_05: I know maybe this uh is there perhaps an untapped route for maybe e V tolls where they will be flown rather than robotically.
- 28:33SPEAKER_05: Maybe you can get on your e-VTOL to clear your Los Angeles pass traffic jam and find that it's flown by a pigeon.
- 28:40SPEAKER_05: Or three pigeons.
- 28:41SPEAKER_05: Or three pigeons, that might be worse.
- 28:42SPEAKER_04: It could or it could be three arguing pigeons.
- 28:45SPEAKER_04: I wonder if you get like a pigeon autopilot on a permit on a craft.
- 28:50SPEAKER_04: Do you remember when we used to do the flyer show, not the flyer show, or the flying show it was called, at Telford.
- 28:56SPEAKER_04: Yes.
- 28:57SPEAKER_04: And there were pigeons in there.
- 28:58SPEAKER_04: No, but the next door show was like a pigeon fancier show.
- 29:01SPEAKER_04: If we'd have known that that was like old-fashioned avionics, basically, we could have opened, we could have done a ticketing deal.
- 29:07SPEAKER_03: You could have you could have offered them a PPL, a pigeon pilot's license.
- 29:10SPEAKER_04: Pigeon pilot.
- 29:11SPEAKER_05: Oh, very good one, Dave.
- 29:12SPEAKER_05: It's a pigeon Pandora's box.
- 29:14SPEAKER_05: It is.
- 29:14SPEAKER_05: On that note, Dave.
- 29:15SPEAKER_03: Yes, what caught my eye, a bit more serious this time.
- 29:18SPEAKER_05: Excuse me.
- 29:21SPEAKER_03: Swansea Airport is licensed again.
- 29:23SPEAKER_03: Um, the team of volunteers called the Swansea Airport, Airport Stakeholders Alliance, they secured a CA licence for the airport.
- 29:30SPEAKER_03: Um, the alliance, a little bit about that.
- 29:33SPEAKER_03: Bob Oliver, MBE, is the chairman.
- 29:35SPEAKER_03: He explained the alliance as a not-for-profit social enterprise.
- 29:38SPEAKER_03: It was established in 2021 by users of the airport, which wasn't going to through a good stage at the time.
- 29:45SPEAKER_03: And in September 24, Swansea Council uh gave the alliance a short-term lease while they decided uh what its future should be.
- 29:54SPEAKER_03: Uh there's going to be an announcement in October this year about what's going to happen because that short-term lease comes up for renewal.
- 30:00SPEAKER_03: Um Bob said the volunteers have logged over 17,500 hours so far.
- 30:04SPEAKER_03: So it's volunteers.
- 30:06SPEAKER_03: Not flying, working.
- 30:07SPEAKER_03: Working, yeah.
- 30:08SPEAKER_03: And they've worked on the runway, the fire service, the air ground radio, made other improvements, established compliance systems, and produced all the documents needed for the CA to uh to give it the new licence.
- 30:19SPEAKER_03: There's a bit more.
- 30:20SPEAKER_03: The Alliance has a vision for the air for the airport.
- 30:23SPEAKER_03: They want a vibrant and welcoming GA aerodrome that sits sympathetically in its landscape, ecology, and community, respecting the heritage of the site, and there's a lot more as well.
- 30:34SPEAKER_03: They've also got a social program that supports the local communities and helps the council deliver its public policy objectives.
- 30:42SPEAKER_03: So the leases comes up for renewal.
- 30:45SPEAKER_03: That's the good work that the Alliance has done and all the volunteers have done.
- 30:49SPEAKER_03: Gets them a longer lease.
- 30:50SPEAKER_04: We should we should we should jump in the airplanes and go visit Swansea and see how it's doing.
- 30:54SPEAKER_04: I've been uh it's been a challenged airfield over the past.
- 30:57SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that sounds really good news.
- 30:59SPEAKER_05: Well done to the team there.
- 31:00SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I mean what they're looking for is when they if they get a long-term lease, they can actually go out and get some investment to really put into it.
- 31:08SPEAKER_03: And it uh they make a big thing about the fact that it's in the Gower Peninsula, which is an is an an area of outstanding natural beauty and a really outstanding one.
- 31:17SPEAKER_03: It's just stunning down there.
- 31:19SPEAKER_05: Very good.
- 31:20SPEAKER_05: Yep.
- 31:20SPEAKER_05: How about you, Ed?
- 31:21SPEAKER_05: Uh me, uh well, I was watching the latest uh flyer video, and after that finished, um uh YouTube said, Hey, how about this?
- 31:30SPEAKER_05: And it was um racing driver Ben Collins, who you might know better as Top Gears the Stig, uh back then.
- 31:38SPEAKER_05: Um but anyway, he was making a video about uh going flying in a in this fabulous Cessna 414 um um twin.
- 31:48SPEAKER_05: And it was uh yeah, so basically it was a it was purchased new in 1979 by none other than Lotus Formula One boss Colin Chapman.
- 31:56SPEAKER_05: Uh and the aircraft's been restored uh to its delivery colours by car collecting team Chrome cars um to join their Lotus Black and Gold collection.
- 32:06SPEAKER_05: Um the 414 was made famous for a number of reasons, primarily because it was painted in the black and gold colours of uh the Lotus team sponsor, which was John Plair Special, and carried the Ultimate F1 registration, which was golf Papua Romeo India X-ray, basically Grand Prix.
- 32:23SPEAKER_05: Um but it also featured in a Lotus publicity photo where Colin uh Chapman uh was sat on the wedge bonnet of his personal bronze Lotus Esprit.
- 32:31SPEAKER_05: I mean, this doesn't get you don't get any more 70s than this image.
- 32:35SPEAKER_05: Um he's probably smiling because the esprit has just been made famous.
- 32:38SPEAKER_05: Uh it's just appeared as James Bond's submarine in the Spy Who Love Me.
- 32:43SPEAKER_05: Uh the team has been reigning Formula One world uh uh champion.
- 32:47SPEAKER_05: It's won five constructors titles in the past decade.
- 32:50SPEAKER_05: Um amazingly, uh Chapman was a keen PPL.
- 32:54SPEAKER_05: Uh and Lotus had a wide array of aircraft.
- 32:56SPEAKER_05: Uh they started with a Miles Messenger in 1960, uh, and he had a Piper Comanche and then a twin Comanche.
- 33:04SPEAKER_05: Uh there were three Piper Navajos, uh, and then this 414, and there was even a um uh Jet Ranger.
- 33:12SPEAKER_05: Uh neat though, the the offshoot of my rabbit hole that I went down with this.
- 33:16SPEAKER_05: It's worth remembering that we came close to having a Lotus microlight.
- 33:21SPEAKER_05: Uh in dis in early December 1982, Chapman announced uh in an interview uh that he intended to revolutionize uh personal flying.
- 33:30SPEAKER_05: Um, and this was because he was developing a Canard microlyte with Burt Rutan.
- 33:35SPEAKER_05: Um, and it was going to be powered by a 25 horsepower Lotus engine that they developed, which drove the propeller from the camshaft, which negated the requirement to have a gearbox.
- 33:47SPEAKER_05: Sadly, this didn't quite work terribly well because the prop induced all sorts of weird torsional vibration to the camshaft and camshafts broke.
- 33:56SPEAKER_05: Camshaft went.
- 34:01SPEAKER_05: The aircraft did fly, uh and it flew on 16th of December 1982.
- 34:06SPEAKER_05: Sadly, that was the day that Chapman died of a heart attack.
- 34:08SPEAKER_05: And the project while he was watching his first aircraft.
- 34:12SPEAKER_05: No, but I just thought it was but Cessna 414 in JPS colours, stunning, a real eye catcher, and the thought that Colin Chapman was going to have a microlight.
- 34:24SPEAKER_05: Brilliant.
- 34:25SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I know, but that's Cessna 414.
- 34:27SPEAKER_03: It's so good looking.
- 34:29SPEAKER_03: Yeah, the way the fuselage goes back and those long windows, if that was still in Cessna's range, it would be an absolute is one of those things, isn't it?
- 34:38SPEAKER_05: Because big twins are probably not that fashionable or desirable anymore.
- 34:42SPEAKER_05: But my God, that uh with piston engine.
- 34:44SPEAKER_05: No, uh a black and gold giant big Cessna like that just looks a business, isn't it?
- 34:50SPEAKER_04: For anyone out there who's younger than than us, um JPS John Player Special was basically a cigarette brand.
- 34:57SPEAKER_04: And I don't think it is anymore.
- 34:58SPEAKER_04: So that aircraft probably had ashtrays and little JPS cigarette dispensers.
- 35:03SPEAKER_05: I saw a photo which I believe was the original interior and it was Velvet Velour uh in in like uh in like purple.
- 35:11SPEAKER_05: Tell us in the comments um which one you liked from our What Caught Our Eye.
- 35:16SPEAKER_05: Events.
- 35:16SPEAKER_03: Events.
- 35:17SPEAKER_03: Well, it's gonna be a challenging weekend, as we saw from the weather forecast.
- 35:20SPEAKER_03: In fact, several events have already cancelled before the weekend.
- 35:23SPEAKER_03: Uh so before you if you're thinking of going out, check before setting off.
- 35:27SPEAKER_03: Some of the ones that are on, or still on, put it like that, you'd be you need to check, but definitely on, is uh on Saturday, Pilot Careers Live in Frankfurt.
- 35:36SPEAKER_03: You're off.
- 35:37SPEAKER_04: Fishbind on Frankfurter this weekend.
- 35:40SPEAKER_03: Yep.
- 35:41SPEAKER_03: Uh it uh also on Saturday, there's the end of season flying at Priory Farm.
- 35:46SPEAKER_03: Saturday and Sunday, classic pistons and props at Sywell.
- 35:50SPEAKER_03: And on Sunday, it's the Friends of Barton Association having their flying, which is rearranged from last week because it was rained off last week.
- 36:00SPEAKER_03: I'm not sure, friends, that it's gonna happen again, but maybe.
- 36:04SPEAKER_04: Yeah, maybe.
- 36:05SPEAKER_04: Okay, well, there you go.
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- 36:21SPEAKER_04: Take five hundred and fifty-two.
- 36:24SPEAKER_04: Okay, got it, right?
- 36:25SPEAKER_04: Let's try again, shall we?
- 36:27SPEAKER_04: Okay.
- 36:27SPEAKER_04: So far, no one else has made a mistake.
- 36:31SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but we only had to say our names.