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Phoenix, Cleetus, Blown Tires, & Legal Fires | Mast Cast Ep 7 · Kenny Wallace Media

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Mass cast has returned once again he's former cup series
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driver Rick Mast. I am his non driving son Ricky
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Mast Dad good to see as always. How you doing Ricky?
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Look great. Oh, man, you know what this
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reminds me of? I just did this.
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I got a cold, man. A little friggin virus has got
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me. But I was watching the what was
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it? Virginia, Virginia Tech game and
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Virginia Tech's Virginia Tech's coach basketball Mike Young,
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great, a great guy, man. He's he's I love that guy,
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right? He's he's such a good dude.
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But anyhow, they lost the game. And if they if everybody didn't
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see that, you need to go back. Watch his post game deal, the
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little clip he says going on about the game and he's like,
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how about that 7 foot guy? He had 233 pointers one right
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over there. I don't know what the fuck I'm
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doing wrong, man. You got to love that guy, Ricky.
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Can you not love that coach? Oh, I wish we had a better
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record doll, but golly. But it was so funny.
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Well, as you can see, I buy my hat.
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If you're watching this on YouTube, on the mass cast
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YouTube, I'm wearing my Virginia national champions basketball
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national champions hat. And dad, of course, was at the
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the Virginia Virginia Tech game goes to a lot of Virginia games.
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We're we're die hard Virginia fans.
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So that being said, I actually said to my wife after I saw that
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quote the other night from coach Shawn.
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My mother and father-in-law are both Hokies graduate from
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Virginia Tech. By the way, for our listeners
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and viewers, so and your sister got her graduated or master's at
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so we got sister king masters at Virginia Tech and sister Sarah
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got her master's in undergrad at UVA.
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So we're just, we're all over the place.
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We got connections all over the place and you got yours JMU and
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I got my. We were committed.
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To college now, there you go. The Rockbridge Bath University.
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Anyhow, you got yours at the Rockbridge Bath School of Hard
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Knocks. I did, yeah.
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After Mike Young said that, I had that quote, I saw that the
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other night and I literally said to my wife, I was like,
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obviously, obviously I'm a Virginia fan and I want us to
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beat Virginia Tech every time we play them.
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Anything I said, but man, I really do love Mike Young.
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I hope it, I hope, I hope they're not.
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They don't think of a change or anything their coach for because
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I, I, I do have a lot of respect for him.
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I like him a lot. Yeah, it's just honesty, man.
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Like so many guys we see in racing, they are getting more
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honest, right? That's what you love to see,
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just just sheer honesty, right. So that was cool, kind of
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refreshing actually. It honestly is.
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Everybody was talking about and is out there and my man, it's
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just really do just. Keeping it real out there, Yeah.
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What am I doing wrong, you know? No.
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What the F am I doing wrong? That's what.
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You're right, you're right. I've been down that road many
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times my life rig. I'm like what the F am I doing
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wrong? I was thinking about this when I
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was watching the race at Phoenix yesterday.
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Wasn't it at Phoenix that time where you were having a
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particularly rough run and you got got on the radio and started
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singing the the sound of Silence, you know?
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Hello, Was that Phoenix? I don't believe it's Phoenix.
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It was somewhere else. I usually always had fun at
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Phoenix. I never really had a bad run at
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Phoenix. But hello, Darkness, my old
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friend. Come to be with you again.
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Yeah, I got to sing it out. I think a guy's thought.
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All right. Rick's finally.
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He's finally went over the top. You know, we're going to
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intervene now. Just making up time, man.
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Run along on the racetrack. You can't go anywhere and you
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can't pass anybody. So you just that song just
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popped up in my head. Hello darkness my old friend.
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Kiss you again. Well, I know you're former
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longtime crew chief, your buddy Kevin Hamlin.
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I've seen him comment on some of our stuff on Think Mass cast
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show on our Instagram. I believe that's where I I
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believe I've seen him. So maybe if he listens to this
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or sees this, maybe he'll remember where it was because I
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feel like it was during the, it was at some point during the,
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the one car years, I believe is when that.
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Yeah. We're going to get Kevin on here
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one week. Kevin.
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Kevin, we're going to get him on here, man.
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He I love Kevin Hart. I love Kevin to death.
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He was my crew chief for a number of years.
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And when he left, when we all spread up, we split up with a
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school deal. We all went our separate rays
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and ended up at RCR, you know, and he ended up with Skinner,
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then then with Dale, you know, so he's got a lot of stories,
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man, a lot of stories, but he's he was the funniest thing.
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Is he he what time we're we're in Michigan, Ricky, I've said
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this story many times and I think we did it on mass casting.
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The thing was spraying. I was in there and I kept
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spilling gas and advisor is getting covered.
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You know something I kept wiping off like what the hell is going?
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And I finally realized this gas spraying inside and I looked
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down the fuel pressure gauge. You could see in the in the in
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the glass of the gauge gas in that thing, right?
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And I looked you see gas flying around everywhere inside the
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car. So the gauge is busted.
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And I told Kevin on the radius Kevin, the gas gauge is busted.
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Something there's there's fuel flying around in here
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everywhere. He said typical Kevin Hamlin.
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Well, you got a fire stair strips for the catch if it
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lights up, I'm like, so anyhow, I mean, I was typical Kevin
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never got excited. So we made it.
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When we had the next pit stop we stopped and the crew member went
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underneath the dash with a pair of ice grips and clamped the
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line off, roaded to the fuel pressure gauge right and we
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finished the race. Yeah, if we get Kevin on, I have
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some actually. You know, I actually just found
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this T-shirt about a month ago when I got a bunch of my old
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stuff that I've had stored in your barn for years.
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And I came up and got it earlier this year, including a whole
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bunch of clothes. And I found the T-shirts that we
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had made. It would have been the 96th
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season because it's orange. So you're sponsored by Cougars.
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Kevin's nickname was Frank on the team.
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For whatever reason, we just called him Frank.
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And for people that were around then, you might remember the No
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Fear craze of the 90s. There was T-shirts and hats.
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All said No Fear on them. So we had T-shirts made-up that
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all that all said no Frank. So I'm going to dig that.
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If we have him on, I will dig up that shirt and I will wear it on
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here. Yeah.
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We'll get him. We'll get him on here, man.
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Yeah. Well, what do you think of
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Phoenix this weekend? Well, you know, it's the guy
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that won is exactly who I picked in the fantasy league thing to
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win. And that's who we all thought
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we'd probably win and maybe should have won last fall,
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right? And that that goes back to the
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championship, the old championship style.
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Well, if we get to Phoenix and Blaney or Logano's in there, one
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of these two are going to win, going to win the championships.
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That part, you know, didn't surprise me a bit.
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You know, Redick, surprise me a little bit.
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He ran a lot better than that race than I thought he was going
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to. You know, poor old Kyle Busch,
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goodness gracious in life, blowing the tires out, doing all
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that stuff and still had a decent, had a decent finish
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there at the end. But that tire deal they had
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going on, man, You know, a little bit of chatter going on
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about Goodyear right now under tire pressure.
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You know, Goodyear, put it out here, here's our recommended
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pressure. You know, do not deviate from
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this. You're on your own if you
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deviate. When I heard somebody as a crew
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chief or somebody a while ago or earlier talking about tire
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pressure on these cars and we talked about how, you know how
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significant it is and we talked about just a little bit of air
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out of a rear tire makes the car act like it's got 200 more
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pounds of downforce. The see in my mind for me in my
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career back then, it's hard for me to visualize that, right?
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It's hard for me to understand that, but that just tells you
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how friggin finicky these cars are and how close they are to
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just every, everything being so finite, you know, and but
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anyhow, it's good you're saying you go under that you're,
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you're, you're, you know, you're doing it on your own.
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So the eight car, you know, obviously they were, they were
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pushing the limits, trying to get all they can get out of that
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car, you know, so there's some other teams did that too.
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So you know when you're, when you're not, you know when things
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aren't working right, man. Just like with RCR right now,
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you'll, you'll do everything to the limit to try to the stuff
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that you know that'll get you speed, even if even it might be
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risky, you'll try it. And and you saw some teams doing
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that and you know they're still missing on something else with
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those chassis and cars. So you know, I don't know, it
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was just, it was pretty good actually.
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It's a good race to be honest with you.
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I thought so too. I like that you pointed out that
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out about Goodyear because I thought again, my marketing guy
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and social media and all that stuff, I thought Goodyear
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putting that out before the race I thought was smart, clever,
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interesting. It created in my mind, it
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created a another storyline to really hone in on and follow
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during that race. Like, all right, which teams are
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going to go over this recommended line that Goodyear's
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put out there? You know, who's going to, who's
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going to push the envelope past this?
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So I've thought about, I've thought about this.
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I don't think it's ever something I've thought about
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until the Bristol deal a couple years back with when the tires
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were, you know, that crazy race where tires were falling off
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like crazy and it was just chaos out there, which for a fan was
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very entertaining. I never really thought about it
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until then. About how Goodyear or the tire
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manufacturer for NASCAR is in kind of a or in any racing is
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kind of an interesting spot because or a tricky spot because
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obviously they're putting their product out there and they want
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their product to be the absolute best it can be.
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From a race fans perspective, you might want the tires to you
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want them to be like some of them to fall off a little bit
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sometimes not literally fall off, but I mean the wear and
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the, you know, the the the performance of them is what I
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mean. So for them I thought that's it
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from a marketing standpoint, that was a clever way of doing
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that saying, hey, here's the pressures we recommended.
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We don't recommend going below them.
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If you do, you're on your own. So I thought.
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I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why they did it.
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They did it knowing the guys are going to do it.
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They knew they're going to have tire failures.
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They knew they're going some good years were going to blow
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out that race, and they knew the teams were going to push limits
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and then go below recommended pressures.
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So they just got ahead of the curve for the first time.
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Ever seen Goodyear do that, right?
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They're usually at the end trying to defend themselves and
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everybody's still old darts at them, right?
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So they, they just said, all right, we know these tires go
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blow out there 'cause they're going to let the air down.
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They can't do it, you know, So we're going to let them know
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it's your fault for the race even starts.
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So that was, that was pretty cool, a Goodyear's part.
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That's smart. That's a smart, proactive move.
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I like that a lot. I with you on the Blaney thing
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and the fantasy deal and our little NASCAR fantasy league.
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My first order of business when I made my picks for Phoenix was
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I put all three Penske cars in my starting five.
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I thought about putting Josh Berry in there too.
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I think he qualified top 10. It didn't, but just like you
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said, they were right there. Although I actually felt like
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Christopher Bell probably had the best car for most of the
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day. Seemed like to me Blaney towards
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the end there. I mean, you could tell 30-40 to
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go that as long as he didn't screw up, it was probably going
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to be is to his to lose, which is fine.
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There's nothing nothing wrong with it.
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I'll tell you what, Dad, we're only four races in this thing,
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but I found myself and I figured this would happen as we went
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further into the season, but it's already happening for me.
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I'm finding that I enjoy the new point system.
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I'm enjoying watching this play out now because instead of who's
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locked into the playoffs, I'm sitting here looking at it going
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man, 2311. I mean, obviously Reddick won
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the first three in a row, but put Bubba in there. 223 Elevens
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looking really strong. At least those two of their
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three cars are looking like it. Damn.
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No, yet. I'm sorry.
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Who are the three 2311 cars are looking really strong, like
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their championship contenders? I'm finding that storyline, that
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narrative. It's already starting 4/4 races
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in. I was thinking about it more too
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before the race last weekend, we put up on our mass cast socials
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mass cast show on Instagram, mass cast show on X and TikTok,
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all the things mass cast on Facebook.
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Put up a clip from your first ever race at Phoenix, November
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of 1990. And I was just kind of skimming
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through the whole race. Just I remembered it and I was
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wanting to find a good clip of you in that race to to put up.
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But I and watch the beginning and they were showing the points
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battle that was the next to last race between Mark and and
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Earnhardt. I'd forgotten how close that
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thing was that year coming into it that goes only like 6 points
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separating them, something like that.
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And I started thinking, man, that's what's going to be fun as
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we get further and further into this thing is watching that
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points race development, keeping up with the storylines instead
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of going all right, who got them with themselves into the
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playoffs this week? We're talking repeatedly about
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the cars and the teams that are doing the best and that are
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outperforming everybody. So I'm just enjoying that that
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part of it a lot. And it is also nice to your
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point that we're able to watch that Phoenix race and know that
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Penske was going to be really strong and Blaney's one of my
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favorite drivers. But to also know it's not an
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automatic thing. Hey, we're in Phoenix.
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Which Penske car is going to win the championship if their wheels
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don't fall off? So.
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All in all, yeah, it's yeah, I agree with you.
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This points thing right now, man, it's like it's so much
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cooler right now than what it was, you know?
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Yeah, but it seems like from social media that most of the
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fans are agreeing with that too. So, you know, that's that part's
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pretty cool. Yeah, our our buddy Kurt, he
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Kurt Higgins, he he, he listens every week and watches every
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week. And I know he was, he's a big
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fan of what's going on right now.
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So I just, he sent me this and I, I just wanted to to give him
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another shout out. He said, I'll just sum up the
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season so far like this and you can quote me on this.
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NASCAR is on a heater now. And I was like, yeah, I think
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they are. That's a heck of a good first
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four weeks man of the regular season they're in.
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They're in a really good spot, really good spot.
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A lot of seem like there are a lot of wrecks at Phoenix.
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I don't I don't sit here and keep up with how many wrecks are
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usually at a Phoenix race, but seemed like we had had quite a
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few. I was with you there on on Kyle
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too. That was their RCR is kind of
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having a rough, rough go of it right now, which is which is
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unfortunate. I thought it was interesting
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Kyle's comments about somebody asked him about RCR signing
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Cletus McFarland, which we can get into that in a little bit,
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but he gave an honest answer. I didn't think there was
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anything incorrect or wrong with what he said, but it was honest.
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And that kind of raised some eyebrows because that's that's
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his team he drives for. So you see all that stuff and
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you just you go, they're just, they're just fighting it right
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now. Well.
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For those of you who don't know what he's talking about, he said
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that he wasn't sure about that guy's credentialed.
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He said his son Braxton is that his name?
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Braxton 10 years old. Braxton Braxton 10 years old has
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run more races cleanest before all his right.
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So that was that was his concern.
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Yeah, yeah. But it's like, like any sport,
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man, if things aren't going well, then it all kind of
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compounds on it. But if you start winning, start
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running a little bit better, that winning usually fixes
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things and sports fixes cancer and racing.
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Yeah. What?
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Anything else stand up to you about the Cup race at Phoenix?
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No, not really. Just the guys were, you know,
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the guys were a little over anxious.
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I thought it's like three of those wrecks should have
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happened. I know three of them shouldn't
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have happened. It's really odd that the
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veterans made the mistakes they did, but that that happens man
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that that goes on these these friggin cars are so close and so
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tight. Now you fight for every friggin
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inch you know that you get and it's just it's relentless the
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way the kind of relentless the way these guys have to drive
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these cars nowadays to just try to get a little one inch
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advantage on everybody. You know, that's normally after
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restarts most of the time because that's what it seems
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like it there is all jostled up and things are open and you can
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make moves. But, you know, other than just,
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you know, a couple of three bad decisions, you know, it kind of
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went like I thought it would go, you know, pretty good.
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And they had a good crowd out there too.
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I thought that was cool. It was that was cool.
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Ryan Blaney's mustache is, is the memes and everything that
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are going around with him. I've seen Tom Selleck memes and
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everything. The Smokey and the Bandit with,
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with Burt Reynolds. It's it's quite a strong
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mustache game he's got going right now.
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I've been very entertained on social media about people having
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fun with his his current looks. That's been kind of a fun little
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thing to watch on. I'll tell you what was really
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fun to watch was the O'Reilly series at Phoenix this weekend.
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Man, that was that was an awesome race.
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They they that that series they put on.
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Generally speaking, I feel like they put on a great show week in
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and week out. They really do.
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I'm enjoying that series so much right now and for RCR that I
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know they're having a rough time the cup series, but they're
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they're contenders every week at the in the O'Reilly at the
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O'Reilly level. So I I don't know, I just I just
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think that's a that's a show. I TuneIn for the Cup series
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every week, but I'm back to like every week I got to TuneIn and
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for the O'Reilly series too. I'm just enjoying the heck out
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of it all. Guy came back and won it, but
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just really, really competitive, fun racing to watch it it.
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It reminds me a little bit of some old school Bush Grand
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National days and the type of racing you're seeing at least
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just the competitors. You got your top competitors
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that are full timers in that series.
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It's fun to watch right now man. It is fun.
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I mean, you got you got the veterans and you got the young
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ones. You got the upper comers, you
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got the guys are wanting to step uses a stepping stone to get the
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cup right, which is what I used the series for.
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And you've got you've got a whole mix of guys, inexperienced
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and experienced and you got RCR, you got Gibbs deal and you've
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got children's, I mean, crap. Who's the other team?
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Junior Motorsports man has been killing it.
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So you've got some very, very good professional race cars out
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there or race teams or cars being built and, and, and, and
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and worked on by very professional people.
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And you put these little hotshot drivers in there, man, and
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they're all showing their stuff and it's, it's just good.
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It's good every week. You know, they can't, they keep
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that thing going in the car. The car lends itself to good
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racing too, just the way the car is, the rules, the way the car
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is built, the tendencies of the cars.
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It just, it just lends itself to good racing everywhere.
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And that that makes a difference.
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You ever find yourself wishing that you had the those style of
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cars in the Cup level right now? Right now, Yeah.
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Those days are over, Ricky. We're not going to talk about
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what could be. Those days are over.
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Those days are gold. You know, I think everybody,
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every competitor, Dick Grodgery, would, would, would hope that,
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right. And if I was involved, I would
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hope that. But that's not it's not the
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case. It's not the way it is.
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It's not going to be anymore. You know what we've got is what
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we've got and just keep her fighting what we've got moving
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forward. Fair enough.
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What kind of what the F1 fiasco that got going on there?
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Goodness gracious. You've been keeping up with
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that. I've evidently I didn't
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understand all this. Maybe fans you could when y'all
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watch this right in where we see this Antris let me know, but
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evidently so they redesigned the car.
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We redesigned everything. Now it's a hybrid.
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So it's got the the the combustion in it and hybrid
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electric and evidently the cars at the end, the straightaways,
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they quit gaining speed and it it kicks over to the hybrid
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thing, the electric thing. And it slowed down and, you
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know, the head a lot of the drivers in unison raised and
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came about the car, you know, and everybody was everybody
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before the race was fussing about everybody in the industry
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that that deal was fussing about that car talking about taking 10
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years, 10 steps back and order, order, order, order.
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You know, sounded like a NASCAR social media deal for a while to
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me, right. And then but then the race
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itself, they said that I didn't get to see the race, but they
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said the race itself is pretty decent.
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You know, that's it actually had some cars passing one another,
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you know, so, you know, I don't know that it's been sure to
18:47
watch this next few weeks, see what comes out of this F1 deal.
18:51
That's really all I saw was the. Uproar on social media about it.
18:54
And I went, ah, this feels like the motor form of Motorsports.
18:57
I follow social media. Everybody's all up in arms,
18:59
pissed off about something. Yeah, I shouldn't even be
19:02
comment because I don't know enough about it to be comment.
19:05
But enough people about social media and I read it.
19:07
See all that? I'm like, all right, we got to
19:08
throw it out there, you know? Maybe somebody I can explain it
19:12
to us or explain it to me a little bit better.
19:14
You know, I've read a lot about it, you know, still don't fully
19:16
understand it. But you know, all I know is for
19:19
the race, everybody's pissed off.
19:20
That's all I know. I don't think I've watched F1
19:23
regularly since the days of like, like Michael Schumacher
19:26
and Mika Hawkin and fighting it out for the championship and
19:30
that's going back 25 years or so.
19:32
And then before that, Nigel Mansell and.
19:34
Well, really they had when they had those V 10s, great time of
19:37
day, the noise, the sound those things made.
19:40
Oh, it was, it was fabulous. But we haven't had any longer
19:43
either. It's kind of like our new car,
19:44
NASCAR. We don't have the old car, you
19:46
know, things, things move on and we we move with it.
19:48
Were you talking about open wheel?
19:50
What did you think of IndyCar and NASCAR kind of teaming up
19:54
for their both their top series at the same track on the same
19:58
week? Again, what did you make of
19:59
that? Well, let's be honest.
20:01
Let's be honest about this. What's driving this?
20:03
We know what's behind this and that's Fox.
20:05
Everybody knows, everybody in the industry knows that Fox is
20:08
what is what's driving this? Some of the stuff you read and
20:11
see, you know, they're they're, they're pushing that thing.
20:13
They're trying to get to do some more of them and you know that
20:16
thing to me, all right, maybe do it once a year.
20:18
I mean that's a very most do it twice.
20:21
But if you go to do it, do it properly, vote the hell out of
20:23
that thing. This is a greatest day in
20:26
Motorsports. You're bringing all the motor,
20:28
all the different Motorsports venues together for the weekend.
20:30
You know, you bring NASCAR, you bring Indy, you can bring him
20:32
some, you know, whatever you know, bring a couple other
20:35
series in there, right? Combine it, make a blow it out
20:39
media wise, make it the biggest thing of the year right and
20:42
that's kind of what went on at Phoenix.
20:44
But I noticed they were way behind on the marketing for
20:47
that, what could have been for that weekend.
20:50
You know, it's like after the fact, they realized, oh, hell,
20:52
this was a cool deal. We missed, you know, we missed
20:55
the opportunity to really promote this thing.
20:57
And I don't know how many people in the hierarchy of IndyCar or
21:01
NASCAR really that thrilled with that, with doing this.
21:06
OK, so it's like anything else. It's it's it's you know, it had
21:10
some enthusiasm. It was a lot of good parts about
21:12
it. I mean, I enjoyed it.
21:13
I liked I liked where the guys got to talk to everybody else.
21:16
All the all the guys used to each series was watching the
21:19
other guys and learning this stuff.
21:21
And Fox did a good job with talking a lot of the drivers for
21:24
both series with the other series was rated running and all
21:27
that. That was pretty cool, you know,
21:29
But again, I would do it would it the most.
21:31
I mean, if you had to beg me with a gun in my head, OK, you
21:35
can do 2A year, but that's it. Don't over dilute that, right?
21:39
Just do it one time and make it special.
21:41
I mean, I you know, are we about I mean, are we helping?
21:44
Is is NASCAR, You know, why is Fox doing that?
21:47
Is NASCAR is, is, is Fox doing that to get IndyCar numbers up
21:51
to match NASCAR's numbers or, you know, and, and it
21:53
consequently it would, it would help NASCAR's numbers also.
21:56
There's no doubt about that, right?
21:57
So who's second, who's first tier and who's second here?
22:00
Some of the Indy guys, you know, felt like they were second tier
22:03
to the main race because they were running on Saturday.
22:06
And I get that, you know, I totally understand that, you
22:08
know, it shouldn't be and it's really not that way.
22:11
Well, it kind of is if you if you look at it sort of is, But
22:15
you know, I, I just don't think that that thing is something
22:19
that should be thought about more than once a year.
22:22
But if they're going to do it, if they're going to do it, get
22:25
the everybody get your ass behind it.
22:28
I'm talking about NASCAR, IndyCar, Fox, all our corporates
22:32
are, are, are partners. Everybody get behind this thing
22:35
and promote the crap out of it and make it a big, a big
22:38
festival, Motorsports venue festival for the for, for, for
22:42
the year, right? Just make a big deal.
22:44
If you're going to do it, do it that way.
22:46
Don't do whatever. Do it half assed, not half
22:48
assed. They didn't really do it half
22:49
ass. But you know, maybe they just
22:51
test the waters. I don't know what what exactly
22:53
why it came out the way it did, but I know who it was over with.
22:55
I do. A lot of people thought, man,
22:57
they really missed the boat, but not promote this thing better.
22:59
So you know, I don't know the racing Lord Ricky.
23:03
The racing was good both days. You know, the IndyCar races got
23:06
I mean, it's just it was a good it was a good weekend.
23:08
I thought it was cool. Well, it's hard that you touched
23:11
on it. It's hard to get the kind of
23:13
promotion you need out of it if the main 2 entities involved,
23:17
neither one of them really truly fully want to do it.
23:20
Like if they really don't want to put their whole heart, if
23:22
their whole hearts not in it, then then you're just not going
23:25
to get that because you can have, let me take an individual
23:29
sport, right? So you an individual sport, like
23:32
a ball, a sticking ball sport, right?
23:34
You've got your league. And the league will have its
23:36
things that it's going to market and that it wants teams to
23:39
market. And each of the teams have their
23:40
own things that they also want to market.
23:42
And there's going to be times where the league is insisting
23:44
on, we really want to market this thing, this program, this
23:48
show, whatever it is. And there's times where the
23:51
clubs are like this just doesn't make sense for us on at our club
23:55
level. So they're still going to do it,
23:57
but kind of fulfilling their obligations.
24:01
But it probably isn't as good as it could be if they fully
24:04
believed in it, right. So that's just that's a
24:06
generalization. If you don't if if NASCAR and
24:09
IndyCar kind of the the fox is fox is telling them we're going
24:13
to do this and they're just going to kind of say, all right,
24:15
well, let's just make the best of it.
24:17
Then that's what you get. You're not going to get, you're
24:19
not going to get so you can tell them.
24:22
You can tell them all you want. Get behind this with everything
24:25
you got. Get behind this with everything
24:26
got. If they really deep down their
24:27
soul don't want to do it and they don't believe it's best for
24:29
them, they're not going to do it so.
24:32
What you ought to do get together.
24:33
Invite F woody older, older talks.
24:36
That's what I want to be a flower to all listen to these
24:38
talks right. All right, you got to run
24:41
Friday, you got to run Saturday and you will get to run Sunday.
24:44
Now how do you think that's going to work in those three
24:46
talks or those three? We kind of know how that
24:48
discussion would go. I don't think that would ever
24:50
happen, right? So can.
24:52
You imagine NASCAR at Monaco, NASCAR Cup series going to run
24:56
Monaco on a Saturday, you at least you don't see any passing
24:59
at the Monaco Grand Prix. Now the cars are too big to pass
25:01
each other so well. The car they did have, the F1
25:04
car they had was longer than a Cup car.
25:06
I mean, it barely made it. So we're a little tight turn,
25:09
Leah. They almost had to be like a
25:10
trash. Tractor trailer back up and get
25:11
through it again. Monaco.
25:12
It'd be cool. I could see my buddies at
25:14
Monaco. That would be yeah, yeah, that
25:17
would be cool. Yeah.
25:18
Send my buddies to Monaco. It would.
25:21
Probably work. It'd probably work.
25:22
Monaco. People fall in love with us, I
25:24
guarantee you. Let's stay there a few days.
25:26
They love NASCAR, guaranteed. You're probably right.
25:31
Talking about that, Talking about that, go back to Cletus
25:36
McFarlane you brought up a while ago, right?
25:38
That's. Where I was going oh, that's
25:39
where you go Well cool. He was going with well, you go
25:42
ahead and lead that off. What were you thinking?
25:43
No, no, I just wanted to get your thoughts on he signed the
25:46
deal. I think it's a 3 or 4 race deal,
25:48
something like that per year with children's multi year, 2
25:51
year deal. Run a few O'Reilly Series races.
25:53
I believe his first one is Rockingham if I remember right.
25:58
But, you know, that's a it makes makes a lot of news.
26:01
I mean, whatever you think about him, he's got a huge influence.
26:06
He's the racers that have gotten to know him like, you know, the
26:10
late great Greg Biffle. And he would become good
26:12
friends. It seems like a lot of the guys
26:15
that have gotten to know him really like him a lot.
26:17
And are I know Dale Earnhardt Junior had him on his show to
26:20
announce this deal. And Dale seems certainly seems
26:23
very supportive of it. So from a, from a marketing
26:28
standpoint, it's a it's a no brainer.
26:29
Now I certainly understand the competitor side of it too.
26:32
So I before I get any deep on how I feel about it, I just want
26:36
to know how do you feel about it?
26:38
Well, you know how we do a mass cash, Ricky.
26:40
If nothing else, we're brutally honest and I'll bet this is one
26:44
of the times I've been wrong so far.
26:47
What that what that thing happened last year was last
26:49
year's first year doing this stuff?
26:50
I guess it was Woody RDK I believe.
26:54
You know, all of a sudden, and honestly, I have to admit I
26:57
hadn't heard of the guy. And even though I'm on social
26:59
media a lot, I haven't, I hadn't come across these videos and
27:02
stuff. But anyhow, when it all came out
27:04
and he was ready, he was there to track racing and I watched
27:07
all the media and all the stuff surrounding this guy, the stuff
27:10
going on, you know, and and I saw some interviews and
27:13
different things and I'm like it real.
27:15
I'll be honest with you. It really, really turned me off
27:18
and I'm going to tell you why it turned me off.
27:21
I'm like, racing is not a joke, right?
27:23
This is coming across to me as a friggin joke, right?
27:27
You got a guy out here in his trucks jumping over the ocean
27:29
and doing all this crazy stuff for his YouTube likes and all
27:33
the hits he's got and people love him.
27:34
But I know that that's all great, but our sport is not a
27:37
joke, right? And this guy's been put in here.
27:40
It is coming across like it's a friggin joke.
27:42
That's the part. That's the part that really,
27:46
really bugged me initially. Who this thing started with him
27:49
last year and and I really didn't put much faith in it, you
27:53
know, all year. I just, I just didn't.
27:56
And then when we lost the myth and we started seeing more
28:00
interviews with Cletus and then we started following, or I'm
28:05
talking about me, I started following him more with what he
28:07
was doing with his racing and what he was trying to do.
28:11
If I dawned on me sometime in the winter, right, I'm like, all
28:15
right, this guy really not a joke.
28:16
He's really trying to make something happen here, you know,
28:20
whatever, whatever it is his end goal, is he really being serious
28:25
about trying to make this happen?
28:26
So soon as it dawned on me that I had read this thing wrong, or
28:31
either I did, maybe I didn't read it wrong.
28:33
That's the way I read it, but or maybe that's the way it started
28:36
out with him. I don't know.
28:37
But it, it, it's not that way. It's not that way.
28:39
Now I see a guy now that's using this celebrity to to get himself
28:44
in a position to do some racing. And that's no different from,
28:48
you know, a guy that's got a famous daddy using his daddy's
28:51
name to get in a position to get in race cars.
28:54
It's no different if whatever, whatever venue you have to use
28:56
as a driver to get in with these cars to race, you know that
29:00
that's what you do and that's what he's doing with this deal.
29:02
I'm very, very, very, very, very pleased that he's he's really
29:05
trying to take this thing at least somewhat semi serious, you
29:08
know, and and and trying to get better in his craft, you know,
29:13
and as long as he keeps doing it like that, man, I got no problem
29:16
and I'll pull for him. You know, the the benefit is we
29:18
get all the we get. He's so popular.
29:21
You know, that's car gets a lot of eyes put on the sport because
29:23
of him, right. And and and for for that reason,
29:26
I guess it's probably one of the things I had I didn't like last
29:29
year. You know, he had so many people
29:30
watching the world. He's watching or they just said,
29:32
is this a joke to these people that follow him?
29:35
You know, and as his turn, as it turns out now it's not, you
29:38
know, it it doesn't seem to be that way at all.
29:40
And for that I'm proud of him. You know, I hope he hope he does
29:43
well. And now getting with Childress,
29:45
you know, they'll have fun. They'll they'll you know, often
29:48
the time those guys and Mike Dylan all they'll all have fun
29:51
with with Cletus. But I can tell you right now
29:53
when that car's on the racetrack and it's got RC on the side and
29:56
Richard children's up on with them trucks watching, it ain't
29:59
fun time, man. You better run your ass off.
30:02
You better get you put your nose in there and you better be
30:04
digging and you better be going after every position you get
30:07
because that's just the way Richard children is is put
30:09
together. You know, you have a good time
30:11
joke kind of round and all that. But when it comes, when they
30:14
drop a green flag, man with Richard, the bullshit stops.
30:16
He's always been that way. You talk to anybody in that
30:18
garage here and they'll tell you that about him.
30:20
So, you know, that even to me gives it more credibility than
30:24
is going everybody like an RCR, Richard Fielder said.
30:27
Then maybe some of the other teams he could have went with,
30:29
right? To me, it just kind of
30:30
solidifies her by thinking I've got now about the guy.
30:33
He's like, OK, all right, all right, we'll watch.
30:35
See what goes on here. You know, you're trying to be
30:37
serious about it. Long as you're doing that, I got
30:39
no problem. If you're doing it for a joke,
30:40
get the hell out of here, right? But if you're being serious
30:43
about it, man, I pull for you night and day.
30:45
I. Love that.
30:46
I think that's AI think that is the correct objectively.
30:49
I think that is the correct date for sure.
30:51
What I liked what he said the other day.
30:52
I didn't, I didn't have time to watch his entire interview with
30:55
Dale when he announced this deal, but I watched a good, good
30:58
portion of it. And he said that while he was up
31:02
there because he went up North Carolina to film the show with
31:04
Dale while he was in town at North Carol or he was up there
31:07
in North Carolina. He went by, I forget which place
31:10
he he was getting his late model from, but he said he went and he
31:12
ordered him a late model and he's going to start running a
31:14
late model because he understands he needs seat time
31:17
and he needs to just be running more as as Dale said, like he
31:21
was laughing when he said it, but he meant he goes Cleveland.
31:23
You own a racetrack like, you know, you need this seat time
31:26
like you own a racetrack just like, yeah, no, right now we
31:30
only have about 1 late model race a year.
31:32
I think I need to schedule some more.
31:35
But I, I'm with you. I, I'm completely with you.
31:37
Like, as long as he's really about this thing, then awesome.
31:41
I really wasn't all that familiar with him before either.
31:44
I was aware of him, but I didn't really follow him or or or watch
31:47
his stuff much. But even if you're going to do
31:50
it, then you really need to do it.
31:51
And The thing is, if he wasn't in it to really try to learn and
31:55
get better at it and get better at his craft, then he would
31:57
flame out very quickly anyways. I think it.
31:59
Wouldn't work, somebody I'll. Admit I'll admit hand up the
32:03
this truck deal at Charlotte. I'm I'm sorry at Daytona here a
32:07
couple weeks ago that had me a little little nervous about like
32:11
he might be a little over his head here.
32:14
I know it worked for him. He did all right in ARCA, but I
32:16
came away from that going. I'm glad that too.
32:19
Glad two things. He hit the wall really hard.
32:21
So I was glad he was OK, number one.
32:22
I was also glad that he didn't take anybody else out.
32:25
That's the deal. If you go up, if you go up there
32:27
and you take out half the field, you take out a bunch of people,
32:30
then all those naysayers and stuff, they're really going to
32:33
be coming after you. But.
32:36
Somebody the other day I read, I saw something somebody talked
32:39
about comparing him to Marty Robbins, the Marty Robbins deal
32:42
when Marty came into their sport back in the 70s, he's a big time
32:45
country star and his celebrity kind of overrode his racing.
32:49
But but then you, you, you read some of the comments from his
32:52
fellow competitors and they all talked about how serious he was
32:55
about his craft, right. He had, he had a short track car
32:58
he run at at the fairgrounds, Nashville Speedway along with
33:01
his cup deal, you know, and he was serious about trying to hoot
33:03
his craft, you know, and do his things.
33:06
You know, that part, that part was cool.
33:07
Yeah. It'll be fun to watch.
33:10
I'm I'm with you. It seems like he's really
33:12
invested in trying to do this thing.
33:13
And I do wonder, I wonder if, you know, with with losing the
33:17
Biff and the Biff, it kind of started becoming his mentor.
33:22
And I do wonder if there's part of him, I don't know, the guy.
33:25
I'm just wondering if there's part of him that like is even
33:28
even more fueled by wanting to do this to kind of to for Biff,
33:32
honestly, like there's part of him.
33:33
It's like, I'm going to do this for you kind of deal.
33:36
I I don't know, I don't know the.
33:37
I had AI had a thought also Ricky at that very same thought
33:40
crossed my mind at some point. I'm like, you know what, he
33:42
might be he might be doing this for the for the Biff, you know,
33:45
or part of it could be or another little thing for the
33:47
biff. So if that's the case, kudos,
33:50
man, Kudos, Damn, go for it. But I'm telling you, this crap
33:53
ain't easy. If it was easy, everybody be
33:54
doing it, man. It's it's a it's a hard deal.
33:57
It's a it's a it's a hard deal to do.
33:59
You got to have Dutch ability to begin with, right?
34:01
And if you don't have Dutch ability to forget it, but you
34:04
got to have a lot of good Dutch ability and what you got that,
34:06
then you've really got to work on your craft.
34:08
You have to bitterly work on that craft a lot to become
34:12
successful, you know, and you hopefully has time to do that.
34:16
We'll see your celebrity, your last name and your fortune can
34:20
all buy you a seat in the race. But can none of them buy you a
34:22
trophy? That's the way I look at it.
34:24
Yeah. Well, I did want to touch on at
34:27
least briefly and I this we'd be speculating, but Alex Bowman out
34:31
with Vertigo, I hope that's a relatively short thing for him.
34:35
Of course, like social media does, you know, it can kind of
34:37
spiral and people can speculate that this is probably the end of
34:41
his career and all. I mean, you know, that's how
34:43
social media is. I hope for him that's that's not
34:46
the case. I don't think so.
34:49
I I don't think so either, but that that's something certainly
34:51
to watch. I thought what little I was
34:54
keeping up with Alfredo during the race.
34:55
I thought it seemed like he was doing pretty admirable job in
34:58
the car till he got caught up in one of those wrecks we talked
35:00
about. But that's certainly something
35:02
to keep tabs on. I, I will say I'm and I'm not to
35:06
the full extent of people on social media like, oh, his
35:08
career's over, but you see it happened every now and then
35:10
where guys they, you know, especially, especially stuff
35:13
with your head, man, when you got multiple concussions and.
35:15
Stuff like this happens and of course he's had, you know, he
35:18
had to deal with his back Vertigo, concussions, all that.
35:21
You just. It is something to monitor and
35:23
keep an eye on, you know. Yeah, we don't know.
35:25
We don't know. So Andrew's head, right?
35:28
Yeah. All Andrew's drivers get are not
35:29
always reported to everybody. So you don't know all the little
35:32
things that might be going wrong with each one of these drivers.
35:34
I do know I remember one time Terry had that.
35:37
Terry had that Vertigo thing one time.
35:39
Terry Labonte and been talking with him.
35:43
Of course, it's funny anytime you talk to Terry, I forget what
35:45
he said, but you know, it screwed him up there for a
35:47
little bit, right? But then he got over it and he
35:49
he finished out his career and he was fine.
35:51
So I don't know the deal with Bob, but I don't know if it's
35:53
another injury caused this or this is something singular to
35:56
just him happening to him. I don't know.
35:59
But hopefully, hopefully he gets yourself straightened out, gets
36:02
back in there and he gets gets that 48 back up front or it
36:05
should be. Yeah, I want to give a shout out
36:08
to the folks who run the NASCAR Classics social media accounts.
36:13
Those are my NASCAR Classics right now.
36:16
Will they come up with all that crap, man?
36:18
I don't know, but it's it's brilliant.
36:21
Besides Mass Cast, they're my favorite thing to follow on
36:24
NASCAR social media, man. They've they've hit on something
36:27
where I think when they started, obviously you're showing old
36:30
clips and stuff from races because that's the whole brand,
36:32
right? NASCAR Classics, which is
36:34
phenomenal. You can go, you can go to the
36:36
NASCAR classic site watching all these old races.
36:39
And it's just, it's it's awesome that they put them all in one
36:41
place like they have. But the social media crew,
36:44
whoever is going through and like, hey, let's dig through all
36:46
this. Just extra footage and B roll
36:49
and behind the scenes stuff that probably has never seen the
36:51
light of day from like this last week.
36:54
Just stuff from Phoenix in the garage area in 1993 or whatever.
36:59
And this is just awesome. Or just like random footage of a
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practice from 94 or whenever. And it's, it's just so cool.
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And then on top of that, the way that they kind of honor you
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guys, the the alumni, like they posted about your your birthday
37:16
last week. And I loved how they did it.
37:18
I've never thought to frame your career this way, but I love that
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they did it. They said happy birthday to Rick
37:23
Mast. He had X amount of starts.
37:25
I think it's like 600. Some starts across the three
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national touring series with nine wins.
37:30
And I thought, man, I never classified dad's career that
37:32
way. I always looked at there's Bush
37:33
Grand National and then there was Cup.
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I never really just tallied all together like that.
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And I thought that was a cool way to do it.
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But just the picture they used was cool.
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And then I saw a day or two after that, you know, they
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wished Dave Marcus a happy birthday.
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And it's just I every every single one of those frigging
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behind the scenes are like B roll clips that they're posting.
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I sit there and watch them all from beginning to end just to
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see who I spot that I know and remember from back in the day.
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Obviously I'm looking for you, but it's, it's beyond that.
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I'll just see it and I'll be like, I'll be just a random crew
38:03
member from some other team. But ah, I remember that guy.
38:07
I remember that he had that mullet with that little panty,
38:09
little must like, I remember that guy like, and it's just,
38:12
it's, it's like you're, it's like you're in a time machine
38:16
and you just get to be a family on the wall at a random point in
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history for a minute or two. And it's brilliant.
38:21
Kudos to whoever's doing it. It's brilliant.
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I love it. Yeah, I agree.
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I agree. I watch it too, Babe.
38:25
It is. It is one of the better worlds
38:27
NASCAR classics. Yeah, you're right.
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Wanted to give them a shout out. All right, we got a we got a
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touch on the the legal drama of Gibbs inspire and gay part and
38:38
all that. Just because did you see did you
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see? Did you see the pictures from
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the private investigator took of of gay part and the guy from the
38:47
Jeff Dickerson from Spire out to launch?
38:50
I mean it's I don't need to laugh, but it's like they they
38:53
put like these Bigfoot kind of pictures and Loch Ness across
38:56
your pictures of a couple guys. That's not funny, but it is
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like. It is.
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Sillier to me, and I saw. Our producer Ricky Charlie man
39:06
Charlie Marlow, Marlow said they uncovered Kenny Wallace.
39:10
Media uncovered who who the private investigator was, but
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that was a night or day or two ago.
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What did you know if they've uncovered?
39:19
It oh, I think it was just that AI picture they had of Kenny
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dressed up as a private investigator.
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Oh, Lord, Lord, you cry about this, these lawsuits, but that,
39:31
that you're exactly right. It's taking a funny turn now.
39:34
Yeah, they forgives that gay part.
39:36
It's not funny. It's nothing about it funny,
39:38
believe me. But the stuff is going on and I
39:42
was pretty proud. Kenny, Kenny Wallace Media, you
39:44
know, uncovered private who the private investigator was.
39:48
I'm like, man, good job, guys. Good job.
39:50
Good, good. Kudos to us.
39:52
Yeah, no, it was just a that was just an AI picture of Kenny, I
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think. I think I haven't delve deep.
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That's what I saw. Maybe they actually did uncover
40:03
it and I didn't see it. But that's the.
40:04
One probably Kenny Wallace. I'm sure it was.
40:07
Well, I like that said, did you see the the story came at Matt
40:11
Weaver posted the story with the picture and JGR hired a prior
40:15
private investigator to follow gape art over the winter and on
40:18
and on and on and hope Carson Hoshimar replied to that with a
40:23
screen couple screenshots from like Google Maps and Google say
40:26
they needed a private investigator for this.
40:27
They could have just walked next door.
40:29
That's known as Jeff's table at that restaurant and he provided
40:32
a map of how far to how you how you can walk from Spire to the
40:35
restaurant, which nobody involved.
40:39
Probably liked him posting that, but I thought it was hysterical.
40:43
So I don't know. I'm just, you know, it's not
40:45
funny for the of them involved. But for me, just seeing these
40:47
grainy ass pictures of like of like Bigfoot out to lunch, you
40:51
know, it's just, it's funny to me and I hope they settle it.
40:54
But if they're not going to settle it for a while, at least
40:56
they can keep entertaining us. Well, that's true.
40:58
That's true. Not we'll make some stuff up and
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put it on here. No, we don't.
41:02
You get the truth here, folks. You get the real feelings.
41:05
Real feelings. It might be interesting, it
41:07
might be bored as hell, but we're going to tell you what we
41:09
feel, what we think, and what we know to be a fact.
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Well, I hope you're feeling better.
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I thought you you're going a little trip this week, right?
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You heading down to North Carolina.
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Yeah, if I could get this head of Bud straightened out, we're
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going to be heading to the ACC tournament.
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We're going to, I'll be in the Charlotte area and I'll be
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probably visiting some some of my buddies.
41:31
I'll be visiting the basketball arena.
41:33
I'll be taking care of your mother and your grandmother, or
41:36
they'll be taking care of me. So yeah, yeah, sided week coming
41:40
up. Cool.
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Well, as always, hit us up on mass cast on our social medias
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41:49
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41:58
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42:01
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42:04
you're just curious about, shoot it our way.
42:06
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42:08
I'm at Ricky Mast on those same places.
42:10
We'll be happy to talk about it and discuss it.
42:12
So yeah, well, dad, go blow your nose and get some sleep and
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enjoy your trip. OK guys, next week.
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See you next week.