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Ephesians 3:20-4:7 with Rusty Kennedy · Pursuing the Heart

• 0:03
  SPEAKER_03: All right, this is uh pursuing the heart.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh God pursued me, now I pursue him.
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  SPEAKER_03: And uh another week, another discussion on Ephesians, and I've got a good friend, pastor, teacher, Rusty Kennedy here tonight.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_03: How's it going, Rusty?
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_03: It's good.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_03: I'm a little disappointed.
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  SPEAKER_03: You're a little disappointed, okay.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I was waiting for the intro music.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_03: No intro music, yeah.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_03: That's one thing I probably should work on.
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  SPEAKER_03: I haven't figured that one out.
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  SPEAKER_03: Maybe John can help me.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_03: I was with John last week.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe uh John can give me a tip on how I could uh cue an intro.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I might be able to help you with that too.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_03: You could too?
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_03: All right, okay.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I've got my ways.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_03: You have ways too?
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_03: All right.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_03: Well, if you somehow can use an intro and I can hit it and it starts and then it stops, yeah, I could figure that out.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, someone would have to show me how to do that on this roadcaster.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, sir.
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  SPEAKER_03: So how's it going?
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_02: It's going good.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_02: Going good.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_02: Um I'm winding down a a crazy, crazy time in my schedule.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_02: It's been, as you know, we've like talked about calendar and and coming on and doing this, and I've wanted to, but man, it's just been a busy, busy like I think from April to just the last week.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_03: So uh for everybody out there, he does a huge youth camp.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_03: Uh so you're probably getting youth camp ready about April or May.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_03: You're in that youth camp mode.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I had to bring my daughter in because I had some trips uh in May before that.
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  SPEAKER_02: It was our 40th anniversary, my wife and I.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_02: Happy anniversary.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so we did a little cruise to Hawaii and um up to Vancouver, Canada.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_03: Ooh.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_03: So you went on two cruises this year?
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_02: One was a work cruise and one was a anniversary love cruise.
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  SPEAKER_02: So the Vancouver one, am I correct?
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_03: That you went to Hawaii too?
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: We went to Hawaii.
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  SPEAKER_02: We flew to Hawaii, was there a couple days.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, actually, we went three or four days early, but went on a couple of islands, and then we five days cruising to Vancouver, crossed three time zones.
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  SPEAKER_02: So let me ask you a question too.
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  SPEAKER_03: Anywhere in there did you fit a baseball game?
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_02: Nope.
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  SPEAKER_02: It was an anniversary cruise.
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  SPEAKER_02: I was like, nope.
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  SPEAKER_02: So she let me know.
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  SPEAKER_02: Seriously, that's probably a rare thing.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it is, but that's what love does.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, but I did fly out to Los Angeles like a week before that and went and watched the Rangers play the Dodgers three games in by myself.
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  SPEAKER_02: Where?
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  SPEAKER_03: In Los Angeles.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, Los Angeles.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_03: Now I did see you uh did do that.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_03: Uh I was very envious because that's one stadium that I never made it to that I really would love to go see.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but I think you um had you got taken care of really well during uh during that um series.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_03: But uh you had fun, it looked like oh yeah, I had yeah, it was a great and not normal, not normal food either.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_03: There was like you're the pictures of the food was like I was expecting hot dog like stuff you would get at the ballpark, but this stuff was like octopus balls, totally different stuff.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_03: I don't even I can't even fathom that that they sell that at a baseball game.
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  SPEAKER_02: Octopus balls, but balls of food that were made out of octopus is a little different.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_02: A little different, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_02: I I don't know how you supposedly it was Shohei Otani's favorite food, so okay, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Octopus, it's made in a ball.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: This is weird.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: All right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, and then so you made it out of camp.
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  SPEAKER_03: Camp went really well.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_03: You had I went to Las Vegas before that, though, to see the athletics play.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_03: Well, okay, so you fit all right, we're going to count these baseball games.
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  SPEAKER_03: So you went I can take it to make it.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_03: No, no, no.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_03: You went to three before camp.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_03: Then you uh and then you said uh that was was that before your anniversary cruise or after your anniversary cruise?
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  SPEAKER_03: That was before before the anniversary cruise.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so then before camp, you went to Vegas to see a game.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_03: Uh and then I think you might have snuck in uh I'm I kind of like Facebook stalk you.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_03: Um it's weird.
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  SPEAKER_03: I know.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I think you fit in another game with uh with my good friend Brent.
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  SPEAKER_03: Is that correct?
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh we did.
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  SPEAKER_02: We went uh in May also before the cruise went to Cincinnati for uh a Reds game against the Nationals.
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  SPEAKER_03: When did you go to Toronto?
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  SPEAKER_03: Because I saw that post.
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  SPEAKER_02: That was after camp.
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  SPEAKER_02: That was after camp.
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  SPEAKER_03: Was that the after like relaxation?
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_03: Camp is over, let me decompress.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_02: Camp is over, and it finished the second time I've made it to all 30 stadiums.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I've been to all stadiums like twice now.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_02: Sweet.
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  SPEAKER_02: There was a trip where we flew to St.
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  SPEAKER_02: Louis just for a game and flew back that night.
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  SPEAKER_03: I did see that one.
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  SPEAKER_03: That one, um some other people that typically don't go with you to baseball games, yeah, was with you that night.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, so this is how I I I I like going.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_02: You're a creeper.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_03: Somehow when I turn on, I click on Facebook.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not on that long, but for some reason your stuff always pops up for some reason.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_02: People think that that's all I do is go to baseball games because that's really all I post on Facebook is baseball games.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't post that much except the podcast.
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  SPEAKER_02: So there's been like a hundred games, close to a hundred games already this season.
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  SPEAKER_02: I've only been to eight.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_02: But you did go on another cruise.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, that was a work cruise.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_02: And that one went to where?
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_02: That one we flew to Vancouver and we went up to Alaska and then back to Vancouver.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_03: When is the did was the one last year to uh Turkey?
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_03: Next year.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's next year.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_02: Next year.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_02: It's not to Turkey, it's to uh Athens.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_02: We we fly into Athens and then we scoot around the boot of Italy and we end up in Rome.
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_03: Now you did go last year on a um ministry trip.
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  SPEAKER_03: Ministry trip with other ministers, is that correct?
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  SPEAKER_03: Friends, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Friends.
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  SPEAKER_03: And you went to the footsteps of Paul, is that correct?
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: We went to Ephesus, Corinth, Athens, all those different places around there and down to Crete.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay, well we were on a little cruise there as well.
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  SPEAKER_03: So far, we've had your friend Woody Woody Cumbey.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then my friend John Dylan.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: And they both have added some very good insight on what Ephesus looked like to them.
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  SPEAKER_03: So maybe you can add that little flavor tonight.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh I I listened to John last week and he man, he covered covered it.
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  SPEAKER_03: He's I don't know if you know this, but John's a an ex-teacher, and he's just really he just like loves his history.
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  SPEAKER_03: Loves the history.
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  SPEAKER_03: He's a history buff.
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  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, I think the only thing that um was really the add insight to Ephesus was uh obviously it's it's excavated very well over there and to walk on the cobblestones of the streets and down the city, and you can see the library and everything else that's that was there.
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  SPEAKER_02: And but they they pointed out significantly on the sidewalk uh an ichthus fish that was there, uh, and it was just like barely in the stone.
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  SPEAKER_02: But what the ichthus fish did was it actually was uh an arrow that pointed to where the church was meeting in private.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: So they would all always like, you know, use the fish as a signal to point to where now my friend Aaron, who's been coming to Leavener, yes, ex-coworker, you met him.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes, a couple times.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, he said they would like if two strangers met in the street, one would might have rode uh a fish in the sand just to see if they were a believer or not.
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  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then if is that have you heard the same thing?
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  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_03: That was the the whole point of that story.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_03: So uh we got a cat loose here.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_03: He's usually locked up.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_03: I probably could lock him up.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um bother me.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, so we're gonna open up in prayer and uh we'll talk more about Ephesus, Ephesians, and uh John and I last week left off in a weird spot, is like verse 20.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I sent Rusty a text this week, and he thought we were only covered two verses.
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  SPEAKER_03: I was like, no, we're gonna go into chapter four, man.
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  SPEAKER_03: So um sorry about that.
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  SPEAKER_03: So good.
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  SPEAKER_03: All right.
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  SPEAKER_03: So Lord, just uh thank you for the conversation we're about to have, and Lord, just uh thank you for what you're doing in all our lives, and uh thank you for just um Lord, just thank you for sending your son to die on the cross for each one of us, and so we can have this um relationship with you.
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  SPEAKER_03: And uh Lord, we love you, amen.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_03: Amen.
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  SPEAKER_03: All right, so we've been walking through Ephesians, and some biblical scholars like to say the first three chapters are like more of a theory, it's like um theology basis, or it's who Christ is, establishing a good foundation, and four transitions into a different conversation after that.
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  SPEAKER_03: Chapter four does.
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  SPEAKER_03: Some biblical scholars say that.
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  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, I have a tendency to believe that in chapters like one through three, he's like saying, I have made you a saint.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then you get to chapters four through six, and he says, Now live a saintly life.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_02: This is how you live a saintly life.
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  SPEAKER_02: It seems like sometimes Paul had to explain how to live life to him because even though he would teach them about an exchanged life, uh new heart, new Christian, uh what they have, sometimes they need encouragement in that because they would get off the rails.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: And just like Colossians is very similar, opened up who Christ is.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_03: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_03: And in chapter one of Ephesians, there's all those uh he, him, and just the the things that you can get confused in if you didn't follow it.
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  SPEAKER_03: And and also the verbs are in past tense, as you are a believer, this is you are seated in the heavy places.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_03: You do have you're sealed with the Holy Spirit, and it transitions into two, and then three, um, where it was kind of odd where we left, but it seems like do you think the end of three, because um John kind of mentioned this, it seems like it's a prayer that Paul is laying down to the believers.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_02: Um it it possibly could be a prayer.
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  SPEAKER_02: I I again I think he's just encouraging them in their whole identity.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, yeah, and and and the thing is, is like he in verse 20, he's like, now to him is able to do above and beyond all.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_02: He keeps using these superlatives on top of each other, like he's almost run out of adjectives to describe how how great this is.
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  SPEAKER_02: He likes the super duper extra over the top Paul would have used it, you know.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it's it's basically talking about our faith walk, it's just it's just a portion of God's riches.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh in in our house in 66 days, we have a wedding uh that's gonna take place.
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  SPEAKER_02: And uh my son Corey is getting married, and um we're focused on this one day.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_02: It's one day, you know, it's like everything's getting maxed out.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_02: Uh uh, the planning, the the dresses, the the napkins, that everything is like, you know, being prepared.
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  SPEAKER_02: But the the deal is is like God's preparing their life for a lot longer than one day.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like we we just focus on what's happening at this very moment.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_02: But the deal that God is investing in a marriage here, not just that one day, but a whole lifetime, and we're focused on like one Friday night.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: That God's thinking 50 years.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so when I sit there and look at that verse and just think about he's he's able to do above and beyond all that we ask or think according to the power that works in us, it's like we don't get it sometimes.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_02: And so Paul's like, just how many times can I remind you?
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  SPEAKER_02: And I said this Sunday at church, like, you come back next Sunday, I'm gonna tell you the same thing again.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_02: It's all about your identity in Christ over and over and over.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_02: I don't I don't think we can hear it enough.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_03: And we've said it on the podcast many a times.
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  SPEAKER_03: Knowing your identity is very important, yeah, it will set you free.
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  SPEAKER_03: Now, in this verse, just a question where it says now to him.
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  SPEAKER_03: So if you go back to the previous verses, it's talking about um maybe able to comprehend with all the saints what is the breadth, the length, the height, and the depth, and to know the love of Christ, which surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled up to all the fullness of God.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then it says now to him.
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  SPEAKER_03: So the now is it referring what was previously stated, or is it just he's making a separate statement there?
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh I think it's is a separate statement, but at the same time, it it is piggybacking on that because it's it's his responsibility, right?
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_02: I mean that that's the whole thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: And and John talked about it, you know, the fruit last week, or you know, it's the ref spirit's responsibility to produce fruit.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_02: That cat just like you just fell off the table.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh but anyway, it's the re the spirit's responsibility to like produce the fruit.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so it even right now, now to him who's able to do it, like I if I'm doing it, and you we talk about this all the time, is like I'm doing it out of my flesh, out of my own strength, and my own selfishness.
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  SPEAKER_02: But if I work hard at letting him do it, it makes all the difference in the world.
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  SPEAKER_02: The abundance of it, the ability of it is so much more.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it says who is able to do far more abundantly beyond all we ask or think, according to the power that works within us.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_03: That's the spirit.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_03: And that's what you were talking about.
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  SPEAKER_03: To him be the glory in the church and in Jesus, in Christ Jesus, to all generations forever and ever.
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  SPEAKER_03: Amen.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_03: And what the question is, where's the glory?
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_02: Well, the glory is inside us.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_02: It says to him be the glory in the church.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_02: Well, in yeah, and in Christ Jesus.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_02: So two places.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_02: It's in Christ Jesus, but it's also in the church.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_03: Meaning believers.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_03: Right, not just in like a church building on Sundays.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_03: No, no, no.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_03: It's the people.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_03: It's the people.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_02: It's people.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the the people have become the temple of God.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_02: And so the glory of God that Moses saw in the burning bush, and they followed through the wilderness and everything else now resides in us.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_02: It's kind of like uh the church is God's chosen display, like a almost like a trophy case.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes we do a better job than others.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_02: Some Sundays were a crystal, and some Sundays were like the fingerprints of God, but but that the fact that He's still the treasure inside, that's it's always only Jesus.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_02: Some people never open that treasure though.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's a shame.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_02: Am I right?
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_02: Uh we I said that on Thursday night at our small group, but that uh sometimes it's like getting a Christmas gift and under the tree and you get it and you just hold on to it, you never open it.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_02: You know, and I'm I'm the kind of guy that opens it and sits down with an instruction manual and has a cup of coffee and make sure all the pieces are there together.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_03: And I imagine this is in your life, right?
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_03: If you were to go out and buy a brand new car, you would be the one person that reads the owner's manual.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_02: I'd have to find it online because they don't even like I don't even know if they print them anymore.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_03: Some of them do.
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  SPEAKER_03: Some of them are like, you need to go online.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_03: Here's a but then there's quick guides.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_03: So you'd go through all the quick guides.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I'd be sitting in the car all night and making sure I knew what every button was for.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_02: That's why I have an Android, not an iPhone.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_03: So in my world, if I get stuck in something, I'll go to uh YouTube and it tells me there's quick videos people put out that if you need to learn something really quick, like hey, where's the transmission stick on this vehicle, which I couldn't find, and it's under this cover, you have to lift up, and then it's under there.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_03: You would have never by just popping the hood, you would have never seen the you see the oil dipstick, yeah, but you don't see the transmission dipstick.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, I can understand.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's like logos, you know, some Bible software.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_02: That's instead of doing YouTube or God thing, you just use logos.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_03: And I love the logos and I appreciate um what you did for the uh for Leviner, uh you whoever, um, that was awesome.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_03: So I use it uh weekly, um sometimes daily, uh just going in and seeing the different verses and going and seeing the roots to that.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_03: So transitioning in the four, it says, Therefore, I, the prisoner of the Lord, implore you to walk in a manner worthy of the calling with which you have been called.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_03: There's that word walk.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_03: Is that like if you're in the spirit, you're walking, right?
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_02: Well yes, that's true.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_02: Uh but I think it's it's probably talking about your journey with God.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_02: Um well, he's he's in he's urging us in our journey, uh, the worthy of the calling.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_02: And when you say calling like to me and to you, like my my calling is a is as a pastor.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we're gonna get into that in just a minute.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_02: But I don't think that that's what he's when he's talking about calling here.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think I didn't think so.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_02: I think he's talking about salvation.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_02: Like like you have received salvation, and so when you receive salvation simply by believing, he took out your old heart and gave you a new heart, took out the old sinful nature and replaced it with a an as a new creation in Christ Jesus.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_02: And so I I think it's the simplicity of that.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_02: So I urge you to walk in that, and that's why the whole first three chapters is like teaching identity.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_02: Now that we've taught you what identity is, right?
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_02: Now let's do this thing, and it's it's again uh walking worthy of the calling that you have received.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I did this deep dive and walk in the Bible.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_03: It's it says a lot and about walking like Enoch walked with God.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_03: Adam walked with God.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_03: It says Abraham walked with God.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_03: David walked with God.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_03: I would imagine that's the same context of this, right?
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's a journey.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, that's their faith walk.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_03: I was trying to get some scriptural references, I'm not finding them the page, but the the walking, it says walk in a manner worthy of the calling with which you have been called.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_03: Is that more of a behavior thing there?
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_02: No, I don't I don't think so.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um I mean I guess you could in the end you could make make it that, but I again I think it's it's an urgency, a calling to uh what you've what you've come to understand about yourself.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_03: That you if you understand the first three chapters that Paul just laid out, you have the spirit, love, you got grace, and uh Woody used this analogy, you just get ladles and ladles of like gravy.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_03: Grace is like the gravy, it never stops.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_03: He's from the south.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like you get this people up here don't know understand the concept of real gravy.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, I do.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_03: I'm from the south.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, I know or whatever you like, you put gravy on everything.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_03: You put gravy on, it's just like more and more and more, and then it's mercy.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_03: And then you're you as a believer, you're sealed with the spirit where you're seated in the heavenly places.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_03: So if you understand that and you understand your identity, is that where you're real lying out on this?
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, for sure.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I mean, you know me, I'm a one-trick pony.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I it's all about identity.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_02: And and I I guess the reason is is because growing up, I I was never taught that.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_02: I was always taught how to behave.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_02: I was always taught, you know, to ask for forgiveness.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_02: I was always taught that I needed to get up at 6 a.m.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_02: and have a quiet time because Jesus did, and um pray adoration, confession, thanksgiving, and supplication.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, I was taught I was uh taught how to manufacture being a Christian.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_03: So it's like what you're saying is not out of a have to but a want to.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's what it has become the more I understand my identity.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_02: Um I I had a lot of bags packed uh growing up in the church and uh a religious family.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: And going to a religious college and seminary, and they all taught the same thing.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_02: And no one, no one growing up in Tulsa, Oklahoma, which is like Or Roberts University and Rema Bible College, it's kind of like the charismatic capital of the world.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_02: You you if you were in a Southern Baptist church, you didn't dare talk about the Holy Spirit.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_02: Because then you'd be associated with all those other Pentecostal people.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_02: The crazy people.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you called them holy rollers and everything else.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like you just didn't talk about the Holy Spirit.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_02: Well, when I came to understand that the same spirit that raised Jesus from the dead is the same spirit that lives in me, it's like you know, you know, it's our friend Keith that just sat there across the table from me at Panera and just said it over and over and over and over again.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_02: And it just hit me.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, man, I've been driving this thing like a Volkswagen bug, and I've been given an indie car.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_02: And yeah.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_02: It took me a while to unpack a lot of what I had learned and been taught.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_02: And then once I saw it, you know, the whole FedEx arrow thing, like when you see the arrow in FedEx, you go, you always see it.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_02: And you always tell everybody about it.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_02: And that's the way it's become with me is my identity.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_02: So it's always gonna come back to my identity.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_02: Is like because it was a major, major thing for me.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_02: I remember um talking to Bob Warren, my friend that wrote the Roman study, and um he's like, You're gonna get tired of teaching identity eventually.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_02: And I just like looked at him with the weirdest look, like it's impossible.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_02: It's impossible because most of the church doesn't understand their identity.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_03: It's freeing, though.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_03: When you do understand your identity and you can live in that, there's freedom.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_03: No, no question about it.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_03: No question about it.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_03: It's uh it's a totally different way of living besides legalism or being legalistic into knowing your identity, that you're forgiven, redeemed, loved, and you're a child of God, holy, set apart, and you have this Holy Spirit that lives inside you that's not condemning you, but is encouraging you, whispering in your ear, hey, you're loved, you're redeemed, you're who you are, just reminding you who you are.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_02: I I think it's interesting too because as you as you and I say that over and over and over, it it somehow signifies that we're better than other people because of what we're saying.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_02: But it's just a it's just an understanding of of our of who we are, and because of that, I I'm not better than anybody else.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_02: It's just I'm able to live freer than most people because uh I'm not dependent upon what everybody else thinks about me.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not I'm not the expectations that a pastor can have put on him doesn't bother me because the only one that I have an audience of one and that's God, you know, it's like it's all that matters.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_03: In the verse two here, it seems like it's talking about characteristic characteristics of the spirit with all humility, gentleness, with patience, showing tolerance for one another in love.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_03: Would you agree with that?
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_03: Or is that well that that's exactly what I'm talking about?
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_02: Is like you you can come across as being arrogant, and we can approach the throne of grace with boldness.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_02: There's no question about it because scripture says that in Hebrews.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_03: It also says in Ephesians, we um read the verse that you can it says back in 12.3, it says, in whom we have boldness and confident access through faith in him.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_02: So uh I think sometimes us talking about that and wearing it with excitement and passion to teach it to others, it can come across as arrogant and we're we're better than that.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_02: And so I think it's interesting as he's he's written the first three chapters about identity that he comes along and he says, with all humility and gentleness with patience.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_02: I think when you first learn about this identity in the exchange life, you start going out and beating people over the head with it, and it you find out that doesn't really work.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_02: So then it has to happen in just natural everyday conversations.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_02: So, like our culture celebrates, you know, being loud and being first and demand your rights and win every argument.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_02: But Paul's literally saying here, be humble, be gentle, be patient.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_02: You don't have to win a theological battle with anybody.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_02: It's the spirit that's gonna cause them to see their identity, not me causing them to see it in some discussion or debate.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_02: It's like I'm pretty satisfied with what I understand about it, and I'm gonna talk about it and I'm gonna share it.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_02: And if you choose not to receive it, that's that's on you, you know?
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_03: We can be open about it, but also what I like a lot of times too is people watch you and observe you.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_03: And then we were I was talking to someone today at lunch about it, and what that looks like is like some you don't know someone's watching you, you don't know someone's observing you, and then then all of a sudden you get a question asked to you, well, why did you act this way in this in this circumstance?
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_03: Or why are you not freaking out right now?
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_03: And it's like, hey, I know God's in control, and this isn't an arrogance thing or anything like that, it's just I know God's in control, and at the end of the day, it's not in my control.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_03: I try to control things, and I try to be patience is not something that I'm I think he's teaching me patience, and I'm being stubborn about it.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but anyway, we had this conversation, my friend and I, and I just told him, I'm like, the ultimate compliment is you really don't have to say anything, and people are attracted to what you have, what you have to offer, and it's like, oh, okay, there's something different because you are presenting the gospel in a different, totally different way.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_02: I you know, not worrying about what people think about me, right?
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, I was coming home from workout today and turned right on Oleel in front of Hamilton Southeastern High School, and I see this cop, you know, in front of me, okay, turn on his lights and do a U-turn, and then all of a sudden I look in the rear view mirror and I've got another cop behind me that's got their lights on.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, what in the world?
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_02: I got pulled over by two cops in front of HSE.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_02: I see the picture.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_03: But it isn't.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_03: That's your friend, isn't it?
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_02: It was it was oh, that's uh it was Angela and Angela, they were playing a trick on you.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_02: It was Angela and Brad.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_02: They that's awesome.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_02: They literally like pulled me over in the in front of the school, and then uh we got out and she she frisked me, she patted me down.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_02: Like I'm standing there in the street in front of the school, and all these cars are passing by, and I got my hands over my head and everything else.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, we were all just laughing about it and joking about it, but right, I didn't care what people thought, right?
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_02: You know, and I'm hanging out with my friends and we're just being a little goofy or whatever.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_02: But uh, you know, that that's the whole deal is like when you have this confidence, you have this confidence, and it's not an arrogance, but just what Christ has made you, that he's made you righteous and redeemed, and he's made you one of his children.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, I think you walk around with your head a little bit higher rather than uh, you know, Bob always said, you know, like uh sad eyes.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_02: Christians have these like sad eyes and sad stories and and everything else, and it's like uh it it was that way for me, but it's not anymore.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_02: And again, I'm Paul's reminding us be humble, be gentle.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_02: And um the other thing I'll say with that, I know kind of pounding on this verse or whatever, but um I used to I used to like yell at my kids when they wouldn't do stuff, you know, like trying to get them to get out of bed to go to school.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_02: You know, the first time you wake them up, and the second time you're like, hey, you need to go.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_02: And then the third, fourth, fifth time you're like yelling at them.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I was like Corey was probably like twelve years old, and he goes, You know, you think yelling at us is gonna get uh us to respect you, but it's not.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_02: And it was at that point that my whole parenting had changed.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_00: And I became a little bit more gentle, a little bit more humble, and I learned that um I can say the exact same thing without emotion and it probably comes across the same, if not better.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_00: Like I can present hard truth to people when it comes to like sin or you know, just behavior or things like that, and I don't have to be upset about it.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_03: Well, it's we've talked about this in the past on the podcast, it's an inward, outward change.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_03: And as you're growing and maturing in your faith and you're seeking out a relationship with Christ or with the spirit that lives inside us, he will radically change you from the inside out.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_03: There's no doubt about it.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_03: There's sometimes I don't reflect that on the outside, but majority of the time I do.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_03: And it's that it's where I'm at of my my walk spiritually.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_03: And people see it and you and they see it in you as well.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_02: Do you is there something in particular that gets you triggered?
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_02: Not that I you need to say what it is.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, I can tell.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_03: I've I've shared this.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_03: A car ride might trigger me, like trigger me to get to get me out of that.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_03: If someone cuts me off or I mean, or driving really, really slow.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_03: Man, I'm just like, oh my gosh, are you kidding me?
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_03: I mean I get a little more impatient and whatever.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_03: You know what I'm saying?
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, for sure.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I can do that, yeah.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think everybody does.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_02: I'm trying to get better at it.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_02: Good luck with that.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_02: Quit trying.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_02: Just walk, dude.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's really the spirit's responsibility to get you to chill out.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_03: I've uh toned down a lot.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_03: So, but yeah, things that trigger.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_03: And the thing too, um, talking about trigger, if you know your triggers, that's something being an ex-drug addict.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_03: If I know my triggers, then um I can the spirit or God can help me overcome those triggers.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_03: And and I that's on you have to know your triggers.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_03: That's yeah, it's very important.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_03: And you gotta be honest with yourself as far as what those triggers are.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_03: Um if you're really wanting to give up, say, drugs or alcohol or whatever addiction or whatever that looks like, you have to understand what your triggers are.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_03: And it sure is, it could be that in your Christian walk, right?
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_03: What would trigger you from not being patient or gentle or showing tolerance through one another in love?
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_03: Just understanding that.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so it says, being diligent to preserve the unity of the spirit in the bond of peace.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_03: So if you read this, it says, Therefore, I, the prisoner of the Lord, implore you to walk in a manner worthy of the calling with which you have been called, with all humility, gentleness, with patience, and showing tolerance for one and another in love, being diligent to preserve the unity of the spirit in the bond of peace.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_03: If you are doing what's in verse two, verse three will come naturally, wouldn't it?
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_02: Um it it it should, but again, I think he's um telling you how to like live out this identity thing.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_02: Um you you and I have an experience at a previous church where unity was like very important to the church.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_02: But it was unity on business meetings and committees and decisions that need to be made for the the health of the church and stuff like that.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_02: And uh I think uh we we totally missed it because unity is not uniformity.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_02: Umity is based upon us believing that Jesus Christ is the Lord and Savior and that he is the Messiah and died for us.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_02: That's that's the unity.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_02: If we have unity in that and and here's the thing, Scott, is like there's there's denominations that seems like being formed every day just because of like other other beliefs other than just believing that Jesus is the Messiah and the Savior.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_02: You get into the weeds of the of the the scripture and stuff like that, and people differentiate and then they get into morals and agendas and everything else, and there's no there's no unity there in the church for such things.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_02: And the only thing that we have unity in is Jesus.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_02: That's it.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_02: So that that to me, that's what it comes down to is like again, he says, make every effort, like work hard at keeping the unity of the spirit through the bond of peace.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_02: Like it's Jesus, it's Jesus, that's it.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_02: If we can't if we can't focus on Jesus and make him the only agenda, then there won't be peace.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_03: Well, he should be the only agenda.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_03: Um the only we're doing this podcast is to spread the gospel, talk about who Jesus is, share what that looks like.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_03: Friday morning Bible study, same thing.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_03: Going through the Old Testament, showing out, hey, this is where Jesus is.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know if you missed it.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_03: Here he is, right here.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_03: He's in Exodus, he's right here.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_03: Can you see this?
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_03: Can you see how this relates to this in the New Testament?
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_03: Connecting that back and forth, showing the unity, and I guess you could take unity as unity in the in in the believers as well.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_02: You've been a part of Leviner for oh, it's been around for 18 years.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_02: You've been around for most of it.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um, how many times have you voted?
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_03: None.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_03: You might ask me where I want to go for Wednesday uh lunch club.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_03: Wednesday lunch club.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_03: That's the only time I voted.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_02: But I think that's the the thing is like we've we've we've made this about you know being a business and an institution, and we have to make decisions and we have to have leadership, and it's like I think we've kind of in to our own community, we've proven that that's not the case.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_02: You know, the if the unity is Jesus and we're gonna trust the spirit inside of each believer to lead, then let's do it.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I I'm in a uh I'm in the seminary class this summer, and um it was all based upon leadership development and me coming up with the plan to develop my leaders.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_02: And uh for nine presentations, I just kept saying, um, just following the spirit and teach people in their identity, and that's it.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_02: That's my leadership development plan.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_02: And then he's like wanting me to write a one to two page paper uh in a couple months about my development plan and how it's coming.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_02: And I I wrote down today uh f four different men that are developing ministries on their own.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_02: Like they're they're out there and it's like I I didn't do that.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_02: I I didn't put a plan together to div to have these guys step up and create ministries and um yeah, and it's like if I honestly believe if you just keep keep teaching people who they are, the spirit works through them.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_03: It's a good reminder hearing that all the time, because sometimes you can lose that in the weeds.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's yeah.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_02: I think as soon as I say amen on Sunday mornings and people walk out the doors, they get beat up, you know, and it and the evil one just starts I mean, you know, it's in the lobby there.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_02: It's like the discussions we were having before this is like it's like it they have to keep hearing it.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and so verse four it says there is one body, one spirit, just as also you are called and one hope of your calling, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_03: So it seems like he's establishing there's one body, and that's the church body, the body of the believers, the body of the saints, one spirit, which is the Holy Spirit.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_03: Is that correct?
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_03: And he's laying down, it says, You were called in hope of your calling, and he's also reminding one Lord, not multiple Jesus'.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_03: I'm sure there were multiple back then.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_03: That's what um the first part of uh I think uh one it was in Acts.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_03: There was many, many people just come out.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_03: I'm Jesus, I'm I'm the Messiah, right?
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_03: And so there's one Lord, and there's one God and Father, just reminding them of what unifies everyone together, and that brings everybody together, right?
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah, for sure.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_02: There's no doubt about that.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_02: I I guess the question I I would ask you when we talk about like everybody and bringing everybody together, how how many of those ones, seven ones listed there, were manufactured by the church?
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_03: None because this is uh this is the way that it's coming from the spirit, it's coming from Paul, right?
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_03: It's all inherited.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_03: None of it is manufactured.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't want to come off as manufactured.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_02: No, I'm but uh that's what I'm saying is like the point that he's making here is that you you can't manufacture unity.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_02: No, it's inherited, and it's inherited because of this one, one, one, one, one that has been provided by God, the Son, and the Spirit, and it's a gift to the church that we have in unity, and it's our inheritance, and yet we continue to like muddy it up, take it and turn it into an institution, or about programs, yeah.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_02: Programs, uh uh amendments and constitutions and votings and budgets and committees, and and it's just like it's it's not ever intended to be that way.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_03: So we got a but in verse seven.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_03: So but it says, but to each one of us, grace was given according to the measure of Christ's gift.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_03: So what measure?
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_03: Is it one heaping?
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_03: Or is it multiple heapings of grace?
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_03: Does everybody have a different measure?
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_03: Or is it just one measure that everybody has?
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_03: More and more and more grace.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_03: There is no limit to the grace.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_02: I I yeah, that first frustrates me because growing up, how many times did I take and administer spiritual gift tests?
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_02: And I think every time that every five years that I took it, my spiritual gifts were different because it was all based upon what I was doing in the church.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_02: Uh it wasn't necessarily about my passion or about my abilities or my giftedness.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_02: But I I do believe when he's talking about the measure of Christ's gift there, that he is talking about a spiritual gift that is a God given ability to to serve God and to serve others.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_02: But we've taken the the spiritual giftedness thing and made it about us.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_02: What is my spiritual gift?
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_02: What am I able to do?
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_03: And then if I the gift test comes back and says, Oh, you are hospitality is what your gift is.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_03: So you just need to find a role for being hospitality.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_03: Well, what if that's where I'm supposed to be?
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_02: It's like I I I get all that, but again, I think, you know, obviously Jesus came and he was hospitable because he turned water into wine.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_02: He even after he resurrected, he fed fish to the disciples.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_02: Uh but the whole idea is he was here to serve.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_02: He served the people at the wedding, he served the disciples.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_02: It's not about his hospitality, it's not about the giftedness of the that the specific what whatever it is, teaching, teaching evangelism, uh what what's the whole list of spiritual giftedness, you know.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_02: Uh um, I I think the only thing that we're called to do is is we're called to love God and to serve people.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_03: I think that gets missed.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_02: Um because you're because you're in the chair setup team on Sunday mornings, and that's your gift, you know, is that you move chairs and tables and like, come on.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_00: Can't you just like do it out of the love of Christ?
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_03: It's like Well, don't you think Don't you think uh when people are serving that a lot of times that is from the love of Christ?
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_03: I think it can be.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not I'm not d I'm not saying that um the spiritual giftedness and putting them in an organization or a role or anything like that is it's kind of like saying, you know, um as I did ministry years ago, I I knew doing youth ministry that I could manipulate kids with music and my words and get them to say a prayer at the end, uh, prayer of salvation.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_02: And a lot of that was out of my own strength and abilities.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I don't question their salvation of the matter of them believing, but the way that I do things now is much different.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_02: I don't try to manipulate the setting and um manipulate people based upon my words and getting them to say a a closing prayer or come to the altar or anything like that.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_03: Um so what's gonna be interesting is is uh I had a conversation with someone um a couple months ago and they were like, you don't go out and evangelize?
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, no, dude.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_03: I I get phone calls every week of guys like, hey, can you go lunch with me?
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, okay, I'll go lunch with you.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_03: And then they tell me what's going on in their life, and they're telling me I don't have to evangelize.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_03: Those guys are coming to me, they're asking me for assistance, or their wives.
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_03: They're like, hey, can you can you um talk to so and so?
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_03: Whatever.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_03: Can you can you, you know, hey, hang out with my hang out with my husband?
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_03: All right, but I think that that's that's when you know, like you have a passion to help to bring others to understanding who Christ is, who God is, and you're showing God's love, and you do this all the time.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_03: You're perfect at it, or not perfect, but pretty close to it.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_03: You go, how many breakfasts have you been on?
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, every day, probably.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, same thing, right?
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_03: You get phone calls all the time.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, can we go to breakfast?
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_03: Let's talk.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_03: And and you are helping people, pointing them back to Christ, pointing them who Christ is, reminding them who Christ is, what's the depth, the width, the breadth of Christ's love?
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_02: The um what's the saying that I always say to people?
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_02: Uh it's good to good to smell you.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_02: Good to smell you.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_02: I I've used that and people just look at me like, yeah, what are you talking about?
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_02: Why why can't you just say it's good to smell you instead of good to see you?
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_02: What's right, what's the difference?
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_02: But what I'm talking about, there's there's an aroma that comes off that that should.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_02: I don't hate to use the word should, but as a byproduct of knowing who you are in Christ, there's this sweet aroma that comes off of you that causes people to notice you and to want to have breakfast with you and to have questions with you and to have conversations with you and seek wisdom from you.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_02: So I again understanding your identity kicks off this aroma that people will notice for sure.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_02: And so when you define evangelism, it's it's me walking down the street, you know, and just saying hey to people, just picking up trash, whatever it is, you know, that to me, people are watching my life.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_02: Sure, words and stories and breakfast and lunch and meetings and discussions advance the the evangelism, but evangelism can be so simple.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_02: Here's the here's an interesting story, and I think you know this story, but uh a couple years ago uh I'm taking this evangelism class seminary, 60 years old at the time, and the professor's like teaching us to go door to door and just asking how we can pray for people, and and then we get into class and he's asked me what I thought about the plan, and I'm like, I walked away from all that years ago.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_02: I don't do that anymore.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_02: I just teach people their identity, and he's writing notes down and taking notes on everything that I'm saying, and it's I got there's young people in that class, you know, and they're all they're all buying into his plan and everything else.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_02: But uh a couple months later, I actually showed up at the class in person in Dallas and because I had to go to a funeral, and he asked me to stick around after class and um pull me into his office, and he's like let me know that his wife had asked him for a divorce and that the Lord brought me there that day just to hang out with him.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_02: And I literally counseled my seminary professor for like an hour, and to this day we're friends, and um he's he's divorced and um he's no longer working at the seminary, but he's established a new ministry, and I'm on his board and we've become friends and everything else, and it's like he he now is teaching evangelism in a whole different light.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_02: Like he he he's understanding the power of the believer because of Christ in them, and that it's just everyday relationships, it's everyday conversations just even asking the waiter, the server, what's your name?
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_02: And the the guy today, my name's David, and he goes, What's your name?
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_02: And he goes, I'm not gonna forget your name.
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's that simple.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_02: But we we make it this formula and this complicated thing, and everybody gets nervous about sharing Jesus, and it's like, I'm gonna go back into that restaurant and David's gonna serve me and we're gonna have a conversation.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's uh in anything, everything we do, I mean it's life.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_00: It's life, right?
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like, yeah.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_03: Um even to like the waiters, right?
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_03: Or even when you get in an elevator and that guy smiles at you, or that yeah, the other person, and then all of a sudden you're like, hey, how's it going?
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_03: And they go, I hope you have a blessed day.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_03: And you're like, Oh, I hope you do too.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_03: Or even, yeah, you know what I'm saying?
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_03: It it's just that little thing, and then you're like, now I know, right?
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and it's that participation, right?
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_03: We can participate.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, we get to participate in this relationship with with our Heavenly Father.
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_03: Why wouldn't I want to read my Bible?
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_03: Why wouldn't I want to pray to talk to Him?
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_03: Why wouldn't I want to sometimes sit here or when I get in my car and listen to some great music?
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_03: Whatever that looks like to you.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_03: Everyone's different.
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and everybody's on a different path on their journey, too.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_02: I I think for me too, um it's the consistency.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_02: Like going to the same restaurant, going to the same barber, going to the same clerk at the grocery store, going to and then when you can here's the deal is like when you can get your barber to say I love you, when you can get your police chief to say I love you, when you can get your Kroger cashier to say I love you, you you know that there's an aroma that's being left behind just by simply living.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_00: And that speaks more to me, that's m speaks volumes.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_03: Like we have a very great relationship with our Friday at Gingers.
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_03: Those people love us.
• 53:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, Monica is it.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_03: Monica loves us.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_03: And when her dad died, some of us drove up to South Bend.
• 54:03
  SPEAKER_03: And to for people who are listening, that's a two and a half hour drive.
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_03: So we went there, or it wasn't South Bend, it was uh Michigan City, sorry.
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_03: But still, two and a half hour drive when we go up there.
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_03: There's several of us that went there that day.
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_03: You don't think that that made she's like, Why did I know you were gonna be here?
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_03: Well, we didn't tell you, we just showed up.
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_03: You're our you're our special person, you know, we love you, we take care of you, and you're hurting.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_03: So we want to be here and show that we we're thinking about you.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 54:39
  SPEAKER_03: It's doing those little things and that a lot of things that you do.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you have demonstrated that.
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_03: So consistency, man.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_03: Consistency, right?
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_03: Because if you're consistently showing up in someone's life, yeah, you can make an impact.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there's a lady that's been coming to Pinheads on Sunday mornings, and I noticed she hadn't been there like last three or four weeks, so I just texted her Sunday and said, Hey, I know you're new, but just wanted you to know I missed you.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_02: And she goes, I was just sitting there thinking, nobody cares that I don't come.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_02: And then you texted me today.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_02: You know, and it's like just following the spirit, whatever the spirits you just he'll constantly prod you with stuff.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_03: And that's that whole peace, gentleness, tolerance.
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, absolutely.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_03: Um so tell us tell us in uh pursuing the art world how uh you became a Christian.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_03: What does that look like?
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_02: Well, uh my mom, my parents were divorced at an early age.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_02: There was five kids, and my mom raised uh five kids, and so she always had us at church.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_02: First Baptist Tulsa, um, grew up there, did youth ministry.
• 55:57
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I I think for me, if I'm gonna share a testimony, it would probably be the men of influence in my life.
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_02: Um, because I was always looking for approval, so I was always looking for men.
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_02: So there was a uh a couple of youth ministers, recreation ministers, um, different people like that.
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_02: Uh there was some other people too that weren't good for me as well, but they they looked out for me.
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_02: But somehow by the grace of God, uh I ended up uh in ministry, and it was probably 2000 uh when Keith started meeting with me and started explaining my identity.
• 56:41
  SPEAKER_02: And once I succumbed to that understanding because I was had a little bit of pride that I knew more than he did, but um the Lord showed me I was wrong, I went and told him and it changed it changed my ministry from a point of legalism to a point of grace.
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_02: And I've been doing that ever since 2000, 2001, and um uh obviously walked out of the institutional church in 2007 and sat until the Lord opened up the doors for us to do Leviner 18 years ago.
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_02: It's crazy, crazy to think I served at Northside for 18 years and now I've been at Leavener for 18 years, but and I know which one was easier.
• 57:32
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you know, at the time, Scott, uh I love I I still love Northside.
• 57:36
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 57:37
  SPEAKER_02: And Northside was very good to me.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_02: I I just said what the church was, but um that it's it's family, it's still family.
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_02: The people that still go there, family, and I thought I had a great situation.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I was doing youth ministry and I pretty much had unlimited funds and people gave me freedom to do things, and then uh but I didn't have the ability, I lost the ability to to teach what I had learned from Keith and the identity thing, and I I just felt like it was time for me to leave and I left and I'm able to teach and have opportunities galore now to teach identity.
• 58:17
  SPEAKER_02: So you know, being on the cruise last week and teaching 900 people Jesus and I get to speak at seminary Dallas Theological Seminary in the fall this year a couple times, and I don't understand it, but I I'm just thankful for the opportunity.
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_03: I got a question for you.
• 58:39
  SPEAKER_03: What's your biggest challenge going out on 18 years?
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_03: You're not Leviner is not backed by any organization.
• 58:52
  SPEAKER_03: So it's a non-denominational church.
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_03: What's the biggest challenge that you have had um in that um in this season?
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_02: I I think as I've um gone back to seminary and it's not for the degree, but it's just for other reasons that I just want to continue to learn.
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_02: But I think it's allowed me to see that Levinor is not just a church, that it's a ministry, that it's bigger than just the local church.
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_02: Like, as you know, my ministry is like it it's it's the Fishers Police and Fire Department, so it's community, it's uh, you know, with the guys in Nashville and um the the Lord's opened up doors with MLB players, and I yeah, I don't understand my world, but I've learned that Levenor has become a lot bigger than just Sunday mornings at Pinheads.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_02: It's Sunday mornings at Pinheads that um provides financially most of the gifting for us.
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_02: Uh there's no question about that.
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_02: But we've literally, because of the cruise, got people all over the country listening to us on Sunday mornings.
• 1:00:10
  SPEAKER_02: Like this two weeks ago, it's like, yeah, you've become our church on Sunday mornings.
• 1:00:15
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's awesome.
• 1:00:16
  SPEAKER_02: Some people sit in bed uh in in Washington, the state of Washington at six in the morning with coffee and and watch pinheads and one of my favorite states.
• 1:00:25
  SPEAKER_02: It's very beautiful.
• 1:00:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I go back there in a heartbeat.
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_02: Definitely.
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:00:30
  SPEAKER_02: But we yeah, we got people in Vegas and Texas and Florida and Tennessee, and it's like it's so it's uh in this aspect of ministry, it's like it's bigger than I ever imagined that it would be.
• 1:00:44
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, I don't know if it's a challenge.
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_02: My challenge is to like shut my brain off from thinking of all the things that I need to do.
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_02: You know, like there's there's good things and then there's great things, and I have to focus on the great things.
• 1:00:57
  SPEAKER_02: Otherwise, I run myself to death.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_02: But I have here here's the beauty of it is like I got people like you and uh uh men and women around me that are able to like minister here locally, and I don't have to do everything.
• 1:01:15
  SPEAKER_02: There's I'm I'm on one guy on in ministry, and uh, but I have great, great people that do all sorts of ministry.
• 1:01:27
  SPEAKER_02: Some things that some people don't even know.
• 1:01:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I don't even know.
• 1:01:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's I find out things I'm like I had no idea that was going on, but right, and that's the beauty, that's the way the church should be.
• 1:01:38
  SPEAKER_02: It's the way it should be.
• 1:01:39
  SPEAKER_02: It shouldn't be yeah, I don't go there.
• 1:01:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:01:45
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I do appreciate the encouragement over the year, over the years, um, and um just the uh willingness to you know let us teach on Fridays and minister to the guys, and I appreciate all that.
• 1:02:02
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, like I'm gonna stop you from teaching the Bible.
• 1:02:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, no, I'm just like, uh, well, we don't meet ever, and you've never told me that I have to do this this book this way, read this person, read this commentary.
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you can't teach the Bible.
• 1:02:20
  SPEAKER_03: You you give them us as teachers in the community that we're in um freedom and assured us, hey, just do it.
• 1:02:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, right, and go out and confidently tell people about Jesus.
• 1:02:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, teach people about Jesus, just love people, serve people, right?
• 1:02:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:02:45
  SPEAKER_03: Well, that's awesome.
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_03: You got a wedding coming up when?
• 1:02:48
  SPEAKER_03: October, October.
• 1:02:50
  SPEAKER_03: So my son's getting married next May.
• 1:02:53
  SPEAKER_03: Awesome.
• 1:02:54
  SPEAKER_03: And he asked me to to do the wedding.
• 1:02:57
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I don't have to I have to do part of the wedding, basically the initial because he married, he's marrying another PK.
• 1:03:04
  SPEAKER_02: So you guys were sharing them with the wedding.
• 1:03:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, okay.
• 1:03:07
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 1:03:08
  SPEAKER_02: Mart and I did that with Chloe and Sam.
• 1:03:10
  SPEAKER_02: It's like I got to walk Chloe down the aisle and he did the beginning, and then we swapped places, and I did the ceremony.
• 1:03:16
  SPEAKER_03: How is your daughter doing?
• 1:03:17
  SPEAKER_03: She's doing great.
• 1:03:18
  SPEAKER_02: Her husband's doing really well.
• 1:03:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he's better.
• 1:03:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he's out.
• 1:03:21
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, he's good.
• 1:03:22
  SPEAKER_02: He's um he's out on the road right now.
• 1:03:23
  SPEAKER_02: I think he was doing prison ministry in Dallas this week, and then he's going up to Michigan tomorrow or something like that.
• 1:03:30
  SPEAKER_02: I I can't keep up with him, but yeah, he's he's taken off, and then he's got the fall tour with the band um this fall, so he's doing well.
• 1:03:38
  SPEAKER_03: Biggest prayer request right now?
• 1:03:40
  SPEAKER_02: Uh wisdom.
• 1:03:41
  SPEAKER_02: It's always wisdom.
• 1:03:42
  SPEAKER_02: Wisdom.
• 1:03:43
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 1:03:44
  SPEAKER_02: You have all the wisdom you need.
• 1:03:47
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I I need more.
• 1:03:49
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 1:03:49
  SPEAKER_02: I have every blessing.
• 1:03:51
  SPEAKER_02: I have every blessing, spiritual blessing, but I can always use wisdom.
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  SPEAKER_03: All right.
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  SPEAKER_03: All right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Sometimes you don't, I've heard you don't want to really want to ask for wisdom.
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  SPEAKER_03: Because you only have to go through like uh oh, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's like Solomon says, you know, the the the man with the wisdom has some of the biggest sorrows.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because you have to deal with everybody's junk.
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  SPEAKER_03: You gotta go through some suffering and discover some wisdom.
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  SPEAKER_02: I yeah, I think I'm designed for that.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think that's you know, not everybody's designed for that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like doing the chaplaincy thing is is not easy, but um, yeah, I think that's just the way God designs some people.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, we appreciate you coming on, and uh, we're pursuing the heart.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh God pursued me, now I pursue him.
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  SPEAKER_03: And uh we appreciate um and love, and something that I've been doing new over the through this Ephesians um study is at the end, if you do not know the Lord our Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior, um, there's no magical prayer that Rusty can get on this mic and tell you.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh, it's an acknowledgement that you need you want Jesus to be Lord of your life.
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  SPEAKER_03: Am I right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_03: And and all you have to acknowledge is hey Lord, please forgive me in my past, future, and present sins, and I want to have a relationship with you.
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  SPEAKER_03: There's really nothing magical, and then all of a sudden, boom, and you believe in who Christ is and you pursue Him and get with some good people.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh, that's always a great starting point.
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  SPEAKER_03: Find a good group of believers, hang out, do life with them, go to church, whatever that looks like for you.
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  SPEAKER_03: If you can't go to church, that's fine, but just get yourself with some people, and we're not meant to do this alone.
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  SPEAKER_03: And uh, and it's always awesome to walk with your brothers and sisters in Christ.
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  SPEAKER_03: So, our little tagline, Rusty, do you remember it from last time?
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  SPEAKER_02: Keep your eyes on Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_03: K Y E O J Keep Your Eyes on Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_03: I hope you come back next week.
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  SPEAKER_03: See ya.