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Mac & Bone Show - Jones Angell Interview · Mac & Bone Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Y'all make the show. Go round. We do appreciate you
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  Speaker 2: right now. Another guy we appreciate, Bone, for hanging with
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  Speaker 2: us weekly. We get to do a little combination football-basketball
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  Speaker 2: conversation right now. because the Tar Heels have an exhibition
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  Speaker 2: on the hoop side tomorrow in Greensboro against USC. And,
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  Speaker 2: of course, we've been talking about it, a game where
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  Speaker 2: we think, bone, they might be able to pull off
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  Speaker 2: an upset against Pittsburgh on Saturday in football. Let's talk
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  Speaker 2: about it all with the play-by-play voice of the Heels
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  Speaker 2: on the Tar Heel Radio Network, Jones Angel. Jones, what's
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  Speaker 2: going on, man? How you feeling this week? About to
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  Speaker 2: get busy for you, huh?
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  Speaker 1: It's a busy stretch upcoming for sure, guys.
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  Speaker 2: Great to be with you as always.
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  Speaker 1: And I think this starts eight straight weeks with both
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  Speaker 1: teams competing for Carolina. So it'll be a busy stretch
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  Speaker 1: and heels in USC, as you mentioned, seven o'clock tomorrow,
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  Speaker 1: we'll be on the air at six for that one
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  Speaker 1: from Greensboro and then jumping up to Pittsburgh for, for
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  Speaker 1: what is a big game. Yeah. I think this is
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  Speaker 1: an opportunity for Carolina to, to pick up a big win,
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  Speaker 1: not just in the league, but against a good team
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  Speaker 1: on the road. And if you play, if you're the
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  Speaker 1: Tar Heels in this conversation, if you play like you
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  Speaker 1: did for three quarters of the Clemson game and for
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  Speaker 1: this Notre Dame game, you're going to put yourself in
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  Speaker 1: a position to have a chance to win. But all
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  Speaker 1: of that remains to be seen. But a busy weekend upcoming,
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  Speaker 1: looking forward to a ton of Tar Heels for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Are you doing both games, Jones? Are you doing the
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  Speaker 2: Friday night exhibition and then going to Pitt after that? Yes, yes.
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  Speaker 1: So I'll be in Greensboro tomorrow night. We've got, of course,
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  Speaker 1: Tyler Hansborough and Tyler Zeller, our two Tylers, are splitting
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  Speaker 1: the duties again this year as far as the analyst.
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  Speaker 1: And so Hansborough will be with me tomorrow night in Greensboro.
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  Speaker 1: Going to jump up to Pittsburgh after that and be
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  Speaker 1: there with the Tar Heels on Saturday morning. So, quick turnaround,
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  Speaker 1: but should be a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 2: Jones, why don't you do some work once in a while, right?
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Stay busy.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see if we can knock it out this weekend.
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  Speaker 1: I tricked them into paying me to talk about football
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  Speaker 1: and basketball.
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  Speaker 2: We've done that, too.
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  Speaker 1: It's beautiful.
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  Speaker 3: How do you categorize the result against Notre Dame? Because
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  Speaker 3: we have some fans that are saying the fight, they fought,
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  Speaker 3: they hung well. Other fans are saying the score wasn't
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  Speaker 3: that close by the end. What's your view of how
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  Speaker 3: to look at that game and the end result?
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  Speaker 1: It's a great question because I think ultimately– well, two things.
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  Speaker 1: I think ultimately– you can take away from that game
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  Speaker 1: whatever you want to from the Tar Heels, in my mind.
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  Speaker 1: Like if you went in thinking this is a team
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  Speaker 1: that's getting better and that's fighting and it's not there yet,
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  Speaker 1: but you can see it, you can walk away with that.
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  Speaker 1: And if you walked into that game going, man, the
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  Speaker 1: Tar Heels, I don't understand why they can't compete with
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  Speaker 1: Notre Dame, and they should be on that level, then
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  Speaker 1: you can see that too. For me, I think it
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  Speaker 1: was a game– and we talked about this last week–
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  Speaker 1: Notre Dame is fully formed. This is a team that
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  Speaker 1: has a really high level of talent. They're deep. They
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  Speaker 1: have a bunch of veterans. They're just really good. They're
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  Speaker 1: a playoff team. They're a championship-level team right now. Carolina
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  Speaker 1: is not right now. But what the Tar Heels are doing,
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  Speaker 1: in my opinion, are getting better. And you can see
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  Speaker 1: it now. And that was the thing last year, guys.
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  Speaker 2: Y'all know this.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't just a bad record. It was that it
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  Speaker 1: looked so bad. But now you can see it for Carolina.
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  Speaker 1: You can see what the goal is, and you can
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  Speaker 1: see that they're making some progress. It is not finished.
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  Speaker 1: They need more talent in areas. They need more depth
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  Speaker 1: in certain areas. But you can see what they're trying
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  Speaker 1: to do now. And so for Carolina... You've got to understand,
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  Speaker 1: can you keep taking steps? You're not going to magically
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  Speaker 1: become Notre Dame this week against Pittsburgh. You're not going
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  Speaker 1: to magically become Notre Dame next week against Duke. But
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  Speaker 1: what you can do is keep taking steps to get–
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  Speaker 1: farther along in that process.
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  Speaker 2: That's where the heels are. There's definitely progress being made.
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  Speaker 2: There's no doubt about it. I like them getting Easter
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  Speaker 2: involved in the receiving game. Sadler a bit. I want
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  Speaker 2: to see more of that. So let's talk about the
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  Speaker 2: Pitt game. Because I'm kind of on the side, Jones,
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  Speaker 2: where like, I thought it was, that's pretty solid effort
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  Speaker 2: against Notre Dame. I kind of thought they can build
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  Speaker 2: off that. And now they get a Pitt team that
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  Speaker 2: had the emotional win against in Blacksburg, but also is
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  Speaker 2: starting a quarterback, a backup for the first time. What
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  Speaker 2: are the keys for Carolina to come out of Pitt
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  Speaker 2: with a big upset?
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  Speaker 1: Well, there's one that's kind of always the key against Pitt,
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  Speaker 1: and that, of course, is being able to handle their
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  Speaker 1: defensive pressure, right? Like, I mean, Pat Narduzzi's been the
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  Speaker 1: same ever since he's been there, and before that as
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  Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator, where he is going to try and
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  Speaker 1: pressure you into mistakes. And so can you handle that
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  Speaker 1: pressure up front? Can you handle the physicality in the secondary?
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  Speaker 1: They're going to grab you. They're going to hold you.
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  Speaker 1: They'll get some flags, but not every time is it
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  Speaker 1: going to be flagged. And so you've got to be
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  Speaker 1: able to not lose your cool and manage that as well.
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  Speaker 1: If you're a receiver, if you are Jordan Shipp or
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  Speaker 1: Shamar East or whoever, you've got to be able to
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  Speaker 1: manage that. So that's number one. Then you flip it
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  Speaker 1: to the other side. And that's where Holden Gerner comes in,
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  Speaker 1: their new quarterback. And you hate it for Mason Heinschel,
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  Speaker 1: of course, terrific player. You never like to see anybody
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  Speaker 1: get hurt and a big blow for Pitt. So how
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  Speaker 1: does Gerner, though, who's a veteran guy, highly recruited out
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  Speaker 1: of high school, but just it's never really taken hold
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  Speaker 1: at the college level. How does he react and how
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  Speaker 1: can Carolina try to make him uncomfortable? We saw this
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  Speaker 1: against Clemson. Carolina did a good job against Tate Reynolds
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  Speaker 1: for a while, but then all of a sudden he
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  Speaker 1: got in a rhythm and he was effective for the
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  Speaker 1: Tigers a few weeks ago. Can Carolina make Garner uncomfortable
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  Speaker 1: and force him into mistakes? A big point of this game,
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  Speaker 1: in my opinion.
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  Speaker 3: Jones, how impressed have you been with Jelani Thurman at
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  Speaker 3: tight end? This guy has turned into an absolute wagon,
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  Speaker 3: as the youth people say.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the thing, though, guys. Ship and Thurman, we know
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  Speaker 1: what they are, right? They're ACC-level guys, and we've seen that.
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  Speaker 1: The two of them have 36 receptions between the two
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  Speaker 1: of them. Ship has 20, and Thurman has 16. The
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  Speaker 1: rest of the team, the rest of Carolina's team has 28.
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  Speaker 1: And then you look at the targets, and it's about 50-50.
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  Speaker 1: Thurman and Shipp have 55. The rest of the team
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  Speaker 1: has 57. So it's clear that, A, Carolina trusts throwing
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  Speaker 1: the ball to those two players, and then, B, it's
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  Speaker 1: clear why, because they're producing. You've got to have somebody
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  Speaker 1: else produce. They've got to find, whether it's Shamar Easter,
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  Speaker 1: who Mac mentioned earlier, or C.J. Sadler, or shoot, Jaden Jefferson,
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  Speaker 1: who took that second-half kickoff to the house. You know,
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  Speaker 1: he's got great speed. Can you find a way to
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  Speaker 1: get him involved? Carolina's just got to find some other guys.
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  Speaker 1: Not that Shipp and Thurman aren't good. They're very good.
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  Speaker 1: But at some point, you've got to have some other
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  Speaker 1: guys available to help you be successful.
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  Speaker 2: Let's talk hoops real quick before we let you go.
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  Speaker 2: You are doing that exhibition tomorrow against USC. Heels fans
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  Speaker 2: are going to get a first look at this team. Jones,
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  Speaker 2: you will definitely need all your notes on all the
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  Speaker 2: new players and where they're coming from. We talked to
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  Speaker 2: Coach Malone yesterday. I'm just extremely impressed. He doesn't need
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  Speaker 2: me to say I'm impressed. I mean, look at his
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  Speaker 2: coaching resume today. And I'm very intrigued to see this mix.
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  Speaker 2: I think like for being up against it, right. With timing,
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  Speaker 2: when he got the job, I think it was a
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  Speaker 2: really good effort to put the roster together. What, what
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  Speaker 2: are some, who are the guys that you're most intrigued by?
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  Speaker 2: What are some of the things you're most intrigued to
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  Speaker 2: watch for tomorrow night?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you. I mean, not just the
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  Speaker 1: fact that Coach Malone was hired the day the transfer
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  Speaker 1: portal opened, but the fact that, you know, all of
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  Speaker 1: a sudden people start showing them some guys in the
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  Speaker 1: transfer portal and he doesn't know who these guys are.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he was not anticipating coming into college basketball.
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  Speaker 1: So to be able to put the kind of staff
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  Speaker 1: together that he has, which I think is really impressive,
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  Speaker 1: and then just get this roster formed, it's not perfect yet.
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  Speaker 1: But I think it's pretty darn talented for when you
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  Speaker 1: consider kind of, as you said, that he was up
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  Speaker 1: against it a little bit this particular year. I'm really
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  Speaker 1: excited to see Terrence Brown, the guard from transfer from Utah.
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  Speaker 1: Terrence can really score. The question is going to be,
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  Speaker 1: can he kind of manage the game a little bit
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  Speaker 1: as well? He averaged two and a half turnovers a
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  Speaker 1: game last year at Utah. He can't do that at Carolina.
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  Speaker 1: But he also can put the ball in the bucket, dude.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he has 1,300 points in the last two seasons.
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  Speaker 1: So he can score. Matt Abel, who was kind of
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  Speaker 1: the sixth man for NC State last year, he's going
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  Speaker 1: to take an elevated role. How does he manage going
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  Speaker 1: from 18 minutes or so to 32 minutes or whatever
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  Speaker 1: it is? Neil Avdolos has as much potential as anybody
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  Speaker 1: in the ACC. You saw flashes of it last year
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  Speaker 1: at Virginia Tech. Can he become a more consistent player
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  Speaker 1: where he's not having to put up 33 points every
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  Speaker 1: game like he did against Providence last year for the Hokies,
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  Speaker 1: but can he be a 16-point-a-game kind of guy, something
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  Speaker 1: like that? I think all that's worth watching. And the
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  Speaker 1: big question is in the post. Cameron Fins will not
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  Speaker 1: be available for this game for Carolina, still working out
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  Speaker 1: the eligibility. for that extra year if he is or
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  Speaker 1: isn't available, changes the feel for Carolina this season. But
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you guys this. Remember the name, Sion Keita.
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  Speaker 1: He's very young. He hasn't been playing basketball that long,
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  Speaker 1: but he is incredibly talented. And I will be interested
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  Speaker 1: to see where this young man who's been playing professionally
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  Speaker 1: in Spain as a teenager, how does he, by January
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  Speaker 1: or something, what does he look like? Because I think
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  Speaker 1: he can be an incredibly productive player for Carolina.
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  Speaker 3: You know, Jones, I had a little bit of a
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  Speaker 3: run-in yesterday with Jared Stevenson during media days.
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  Speaker 2: Jared Stevenson was like the nicest guy in there.
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  Speaker 1: He probably apologized if you guys don't know.
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  Speaker 3: No, Jones, you'll never believe how I was treated by
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  Speaker 3: him yesterday. All I simply said was, Jared, as a
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  Speaker 3: Duke fan, and I was going to ask him a question,
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  Speaker 3: that guy couldn't stop laughing.
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  Speaker 2: He was laughing.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, he kept laughing at me being a dude. I
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  Speaker 3: couldn't even ask my question. I've never been treated like
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  Speaker 3: this in my life, Jones, by Jared. I thought he
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  Speaker 3: was a nice guy. Mac, how long did it take
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  Speaker 3: me to get Jared to stop laughing? About 45 seconds? Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: maybe a minute.
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  Speaker 2: All I simply said was, as a Duke fan, and
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  Speaker 2: this guy was going crazy. He was very nice about it, though.
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  Speaker 2: He was a very happy guest on the show. He
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  Speaker 2: did say sorry by the end. He was amused. He
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  Speaker 2: was amused by that. All right, Jones, have a good fun.
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  Speaker 2: Make some fun out of this busy weekend. I know
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  Speaker 2: Tar Heel fans be listening. They can listen on the
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  Speaker 2: Tar Heel Radio Network, which includes WBT, right down the hall.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Jones. Appreciate you.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks, guys. Talk to you soon.