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- 0:06Speaker 1: Welcome back to the District Territory Podcast. I'm Eric Shellhouse.
- 0:10Speaker 1: Joining me today Kevin Franzen of the Washington Nationals down
- 0:13Speaker 1: in Miami as the Nets get ready to take on
- 0:16Speaker 1: the Marlins. But in the last two games of the
- 0:18Speaker 1: Twins series twenty two runs. They improved to eighteen and
- 0:22Speaker 1: twenty and second in the National League East. Franny, what'd
- 0:25Speaker 1: you like about yesterday's win?
- 0:28Speaker 2: That they followed up a fantastic showing the fifteen to
- 0:32Speaker 2: two game, you know, two nights or a night prior
- 0:35Speaker 2: to that, just consistent at bets, and they did it
- 0:39Speaker 2: so different, right, Like, you watch the game and you're going,
- 0:43Speaker 2: how is it different when they scored that many runs? Well,
- 0:45Speaker 2: it's it's the production that they've had from the bottom
- 0:48Speaker 2: of the order in a lot of their wins this year.
- 0:50Speaker 3: Like I feel like.
- 0:51Speaker 2: A lot of the direct correlation to wins have been
- 0:54Speaker 2: how have six, seven, eight, nine done?
- 0:56Speaker 3: You know?
- 0:57Speaker 2: And a lot of it is creating traffic for James
- 1:00Speaker 2: Wood at the top of the order when it comes
- 1:02Speaker 2: back around. But for the most part, I mean, you
- 1:04Speaker 2: look at it and you're going, it's the Twins. Well,
- 1:07Speaker 2: you know what you got to take advantage of bad
- 1:10Speaker 2: bullpen and what Derek Shelton has over there right now
- 1:15Speaker 2: to work.
- 1:15Speaker 3: With is it's not good. So I mean he's trying
- 1:19Speaker 3: to mix a match.
- 1:19Speaker 2: You've seen what Blake be Terror's done this year to
- 1:21Speaker 2: mix a match and try to get you know, the
- 1:23Speaker 2: right matchups, and you know it's it's starting to kick
- 1:25Speaker 2: in a little bit better I think for the Nats
- 1:28Speaker 2: bullpen to hold leads or try to hold leads.
- 1:32Speaker 3: But yeah, you know, yesterday it was a good day,
- 1:34Speaker 3: especially for capert Ruiz.
- 1:36Speaker 1: Yeah, goesy watching online. Give you a look at the
- 1:39Speaker 1: National League's National League East standings as of this morning.
- 1:43Speaker 1: As I said, eighteen and twenty good for eight games
- 1:45Speaker 1: back the Atlanta Braves. I don't know if anyone is
- 1:48Speaker 1: eyeing the division, but hey, it's May eighth and the
- 1:50Speaker 1: Nationals are in second place. Not too shabby. Give you
- 1:54Speaker 1: a look at yesterday's pitching box score. That's really what
- 1:56Speaker 1: stood out to me. Like you mentioned, the bullpen really
- 1:59Speaker 1: stepped up and did their job later in the game.
- 2:01Speaker 1: We'll get to an offensive recap really quickly. But what
- 2:04Speaker 1: can you say about Orlando Ribalta from yesterday?
- 2:10Speaker 2: Another outing with high leverage that he is just absolutely
- 2:15Speaker 2: stepped up, and you love it. I love the fact
- 2:20Speaker 2: that he had the chance to come in with the
- 2:22Speaker 2: basic load of favor face Byron Buckston and he came
- 2:25Speaker 2: right after him and you know it fell behind.
- 2:28Speaker 3: Next thing, you know, you're just like, Okay, what's going
- 2:30Speaker 3: to happen.
- 2:30Speaker 2: He's gonna give in And he touched what ninety seven
- 2:33Speaker 2: ninety eight in the outing.
- 2:35Speaker 3: And I thought it was fantastic.
- 2:37Speaker 2: I thought he should have been able to complete that
- 2:39Speaker 2: next inning that he came out and h and had
- 2:42Speaker 2: even though they pinched hit Josh Bell, I thought he
- 2:44Speaker 2: was rolling. I thought the better matchup was Rabalta versus
- 2:47Speaker 2: you know, Josh Bell and not PJ. Poole and coming
- 2:51Speaker 2: in to face Josh Bell.
- 2:53Speaker 1: Also to turn Bell around to the right side. I
- 2:56Speaker 1: mean we've seen it over the years.
- 2:58Speaker 3: It's not but see like that.
- 2:59Speaker 2: Yeah, But like to me, it's different if you have
- 3:01Speaker 2: a if you're turning him to the right side against
- 3:03Speaker 2: a guy that throws hard. You know, PJ is not
- 3:06Speaker 2: your your hard thrower, and I don't think it's that
- 3:08Speaker 2: advantageous of a matchup. So that's where I'm at on that,
- 3:12Speaker 2: especially with Josh right like Josh, if it's velocity right
- 3:16Speaker 2: side on his right side, I could I get it
- 3:19Speaker 2: because he struggled against it.
- 3:20Speaker 3: It's the it's well.
- 3:24Speaker 2: I'm like I said, he's a soft tosser right when
- 3:26Speaker 2: we come down to it with PJ pulling. So to
- 3:30Speaker 2: me it was rebalta that that should have been it.
- 3:33Speaker 2: But they made they made the the you know, the change,
- 3:36Speaker 2: and and he delivered on the twin side and the
- 3:39Speaker 2: next thing you know, Uh, the boys fought back and
- 3:42Speaker 2: got some more runs there. And that that's been like
- 3:45Speaker 2: a little bit of a theme, like they've answered they've
- 3:47Speaker 2: answered the ball bell a few times this year when
- 3:51Speaker 2: they've fallen behind late, they keep coming back and you
- 3:54Speaker 2: love to see that.
- 3:55Speaker 1: Yeah, the Nuts fell behind a couple of times yesterday
- 3:58Speaker 1: and fought back each time. We were able to walk away
- 4:00Speaker 1: with the victory. The Twins opened the scoring in the
- 4:03Speaker 1: top of the second inning with the brooks Ley single,
- 4:05Speaker 1: but it could have been a lot worse. For those
- 4:06Speaker 1: of you watching online, give you a replay. This isn't
- 4:08Speaker 1: a great angle, but the Nationals had a double play
- 4:11Speaker 1: eight to two yesterday and Franny, what did you see
- 4:14Speaker 1: from this play? Up in the press box just a
- 4:17Speaker 1: see year.
- 4:17Speaker 3: There was the dumbest player. It's the dumbest player of
- 4:19Speaker 3: the year.
- 4:20Speaker 2: It's the dumbest player of the year, and no reason
- 4:24Speaker 2: he should be sent in that situation, Cody Clemens, because
- 4:28Speaker 2: the guy on deck, that's always what matters, scored the game.
- 4:30Speaker 2: And then where are you at with on deck battery?
- 4:32Speaker 2: On deck batter is byro Buckston, What are you doing
- 4:36Speaker 2: at the end of the day, Like you love to
- 4:37Speaker 2: see it from the NAT side, it's an easy eight
- 4:41Speaker 2: to you know, put out on that one.
- 4:44Speaker 3: But it's just the dumbest, dumbest decision to send him.
- 4:48Speaker 2: And I really feel like that catapulted a lot of things,
- 4:55Speaker 2: you know for the Gnats as far as that, and
- 4:57Speaker 2: then you have the play. We're also Martin overran third
- 5:01Speaker 2: base and you know he was being held for I
- 5:04Speaker 2: think we had it at you know, third base. Coach
- 5:06Speaker 2: on that Brigo on that one had him held up
- 5:09Speaker 2: at halfway and Austin Martin didn't try to stop until
- 5:14Speaker 2: past third base and then he slips and the seem
- 5:17Speaker 2: Unias starts that great rundown in that because he used
- 5:21Speaker 2: his eyes saw it didn't panic made a great throw,
- 5:24Speaker 2: great first throw from what one hundred and eighty plus
- 5:28Speaker 2: feet you.
- 5:30Speaker 3: Know on the money seed. It was an absolute rocket.
- 5:32Speaker 2: So they benefited from some bad, bad decision making bad
- 5:37Speaker 2: base running on it.
- 5:38Speaker 3: And we've seen that on the in the past.
- 5:42Speaker 1: Just a heads up play by the seam to see
- 5:44Speaker 1: that the runner was going around third. If you throw
- 5:46Speaker 1: it a home there, you're going to give the runner
- 5:48Speaker 1: the opportunity to die back into third base. But because
- 5:50Speaker 1: he threw behind him kind of forced the Twins hand
- 5:54Speaker 1: and created that rundown. Yeah, the Nets had an answer
- 5:58Speaker 1: there to keep it one. Nothing retook the lead two
- 6:00Speaker 1: to one or yes too, looking at my recap here, Sorry,
- 6:05Speaker 1: the Twins went up two to one.
- 6:06Speaker 3: It was.
- 6:06Speaker 1: It was back and forth all throughout. A flash forward
- 6:08Speaker 1: here to the fifth inning when the Nats took the
- 6:10Speaker 1: lead again on a caver Ouiz double. It was the
- 6:13Speaker 1: caver Ouiz show all day yesterday. But what did you
- 6:16Speaker 1: see on this double that put them ahead in the
- 6:18Speaker 1: fifth inning?
- 6:19Speaker 2: Well, staying behind the baseball nicely for Cavert. I wish
- 6:22Speaker 2: you would have kept going because that would have been
- 6:23Speaker 2: his first career triple. I think it would have been awesome
- 6:26Speaker 2: to see. Uh, look, Trevor Larnek in right or not.
- 6:31Speaker 2: That wasn't Larneni, that was Waalner in rightfield. Was just
- 6:34Speaker 2: he was on a different planet yesterday because you know,
- 6:38Speaker 2: to me, it was an easy, easy, like cut off
- 6:44Speaker 2: in the gap and that ball, that ball just got
- 6:47Speaker 2: by up so easily, and I was like, wait, what
- 6:49Speaker 2: is happening here? And you love it for the benefit
- 6:53Speaker 2: of the NAT side and you got to take advantage
- 6:55Speaker 2: of that, and you know for Cavert, you know, putting together,
- 6:58Speaker 2: you know, a couple of good solid at bat back
- 7:00Speaker 2: to back in that situation, you know, before he gets
- 7:03Speaker 2: that homer.
- 7:04Speaker 3: I think was such a huge, huge part of this.
- 7:08Speaker 2: The confidence that Drew Milliscott going on the catching side
- 7:12Speaker 2: just two nights ago with a homer in a double,
- 7:15Speaker 2: you know, and then you see you know Caberte respond yesterday.
- 7:17Speaker 3: Was it was just it was a good play.
- 7:21Speaker 2: It was one where the backside runner on that one
- 7:23Speaker 2: using his eyes, running with his head up.
- 7:25Speaker 3: Always good thing. And you know, two run.
- 7:29Speaker 1: Score, yeah, and we get to the bottom of the
- 7:33Speaker 1: seventh inning. The Twins eventually did rally, as we mentioned
- 7:35Speaker 1: a few moments ago, on that Josh Bell double to
- 7:38Speaker 1: make it a five to five game, but then in
- 7:39Speaker 1: the bottom of the seventh key Barry Bonds in the
- 7:42Speaker 1: words of Spencer does boum with a huge home run
- 7:45Speaker 1: every time he came up. Yesterday was just in quite
- 7:48Speaker 1: a big situation. There was nobody on base there. He
- 7:50Speaker 1: did it all by himself. But what a frankly a
- 7:54Speaker 1: breath of fresh air for him to be able to
- 7:56Speaker 1: do that and provide that moment for the team. Yeah, yesterday,
- 8:00Speaker 1: Just how does that feel as a player, you know,
- 8:02Speaker 1: to step up in that moment?
- 8:04Speaker 2: Well, he did twice, right like and putting him on top,
- 8:08Speaker 2: which I think is even more impressive when you do
- 8:09Speaker 2: it twice in a game. And for Caber, LOOKI it's
- 8:12Speaker 2: been a struggle offensively, real struggle for the last couple
- 8:15Speaker 2: of years.
- 8:15Speaker 3: And I said this.
- 8:16Speaker 2: On the post game was I've been hard on him,
- 8:20Speaker 2: you know, not not trying to like nitpick on on things,
- 8:23Speaker 2: but man, this guy has busted his a defensively, and
- 8:28Speaker 2: he and Bobby Wilson have done such I mean, he's
- 8:30Speaker 2: one of the top defensive catchers in the game right now.
- 8:33Speaker 2: Pitch framing wise, I think he went from the absolute
- 8:38Speaker 2: worst of the worst to one of the best in
- 8:40Speaker 2: the game in the year span.
- 8:43Speaker 3: And when you take that much pride in.
- 8:45Speaker 2: That that spot and doing that right, something's gonna be
- 8:48Speaker 2: taken away, I feel like. And until you get that
- 8:51Speaker 2: routine of both sides where you're worried about the offensive side,
- 8:53Speaker 2: and so I think he's starting to get a little
- 8:56Speaker 2: bit more comfortable defensively and come with this routine that
- 9:01Speaker 2: the concentration on the offensive side could happen. Now you
- 9:04Speaker 2: have two switching in catchers, that's a lot that's going
- 9:07Speaker 2: on with them, you know what I mean, Like, there's
- 9:09Speaker 2: a lot that they have to take care of throughout
- 9:11Speaker 2: a day. So for Caber to be able to get
- 9:15Speaker 2: this opportunity and deliver I mean offensively, just it's telling
- 9:20Speaker 2: him he's in a good spot right. It doesn't mean
- 9:22Speaker 2: that he has turned the corner. It was one game,
- 9:25Speaker 2: but we're going to celebrate that game because it's been it's.
- 9:27Speaker 3: Been a while.
- 9:29Speaker 1: I'm also going to be celebrating with him because in
- 9:31Speaker 1: his postgame interview he said he's excited to get down
- 9:33Speaker 1: to Miami see his family. I gotta imagine that's a
- 9:36Speaker 1: little extra motivation for this series over the weekend. Get
- 9:39Speaker 1: to have the family behind you, so really excited to
- 9:41Speaker 1: see how he can play. And you mentioned Millis. I'm
- 9:43Speaker 1: gonna flash it back to Wednesday night really quickly, when
- 9:46Speaker 1: the bats just erupted. This is one that as soon
- 9:48Speaker 1: as you hit it, I think there was no doubt
- 9:50Speaker 1: off of the bat, got every bit of that baseball.
- 9:52Speaker 1: And that was one of four home runs the Nationals
- 9:55Speaker 1: hit over the course of the game. Give you a
- 9:56Speaker 1: look at Brady House's elevate and celebrate to straight way
- 10:00Speaker 1: center field, and then CJ Abrams of course the Grand Slam.
- 10:03Speaker 1: I guess that's why they call him the Alien. I mean,
- 10:07Speaker 1: he enjoyed that one, as he should in a big
- 10:10Speaker 1: moment like that Franny. But the bats all around on
- 10:13Speaker 1: Wednesday night, we're just phenomenal. What stood out to you.
- 10:19Speaker 2: A lot, actually, because let's take CJ for instance, like
- 10:25Speaker 2: he is such you know we've seen him in the
- 10:28Speaker 2: past and just swing the swing almost and because he
- 10:31Speaker 2: could do so much damage at the plate, you understand
- 10:35Speaker 2: why he tries to just seek after it. And I
- 10:37Speaker 2: and I was talking about it in the middle right
- 10:40Speaker 2: about the time he was about the swing on that
- 10:42Speaker 2: Grand Slam. He's just letting things come to him, and
- 10:45Speaker 2: it's really really enjoyable to watch because it's not trying.
- 10:49Speaker 2: There's no effort right now to go, I'm not hunting
- 10:52Speaker 2: for hits, right, and with that is coming to production
- 10:57Speaker 2: because it's good pitches.
- 10:58Speaker 3: He's swinging it.
- 10:59Speaker 2: Yes, does he chase, yes, But it's where he chases,
- 11:02Speaker 2: it's when he chases, right. I mean, it's the rarity
- 11:05Speaker 2: that we've seen this year of the back to back
- 11:07Speaker 2: chase right, same spot, like rare. It's like boom compute,
- 11:12Speaker 2: all right, I won't do that again, and he doesn't.
- 11:15Speaker 2: And so when you start honing in and you start,
- 11:18Speaker 2: you know, not missing the pitches right down in the
- 11:20Speaker 2: middle of the part of the plate, because that's what
- 11:21Speaker 2: you need to do, is not miss those pitches. That's
- 11:25Speaker 2: the part that you're like, it is so crazy to watch,
- 11:28Speaker 2: Like his feet are slow, his hands, his load, everything
- 11:31Speaker 2: is just like come to me, come to me, enjoy
- 11:34Speaker 2: because it's about to be thunder right off the bat.
- 11:36Speaker 3: And he's proven that over time and time.
- 11:38Speaker 2: Again, Now what second in RBI in all of baseball
- 11:42Speaker 2: and it's a guy that was leading off and understandably,
- 11:46Speaker 2: but I mean again, he's a good hitter, right and
- 11:50Speaker 2: He's a guy that I want that RBI spot too,
- 11:54Speaker 2: because I do think this. I think when you you
- 11:57Speaker 2: look at the Wan Sodos of the world, you look
- 11:59Speaker 2: at the James Woods of the world that don't chase,
- 12:02Speaker 2: they're not always the greatest RBI seekers, right, because they're
- 12:06Speaker 2: gonna get their pitch. And sometimes the best RBI guys
- 12:10Speaker 2: are the guys that are willing to go enough out
- 12:11Speaker 2: of the zone, you know, and and and hunt and
- 12:15Speaker 2: get that RBI. And he's a hunter when it comes
- 12:18Speaker 2: to RBI I and I love to watch him.
- 12:21Speaker 3: Like it doesn't Does it mean he comes through every time?
- 12:23Speaker 2: No, but the abats in those situations, they feel like,
- 12:26Speaker 2: uh oh here it goes.
- 12:28Speaker 1: For those of you that got to hear his post
- 12:30Speaker 1: game press conference the other day, he said to Brady
- 12:32Speaker 1: in the on deck circle, oh yeah, I was looking
- 12:34Speaker 1: to do damage there up by that many runs. Having
- 12:37Speaker 1: seen that picture before, I was always trying to light
- 12:39Speaker 1: the ball up and that you did that. He absolutely did.
- 12:42Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break, but when we
- 12:43Speaker 1: come back, I want to talk about the catching in
- 12:46Speaker 1: this series that was absolutely phenomenal and preview the Marlins.
- 12:49Speaker 1: As we look ahead.
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- 13:51Speaker 1: Alrighty, we are back, Frany. I just realized I also
- 13:54Speaker 1: had some more Nats trivia for you before we rest
- 13:57Speaker 1: the show. Today because I read this headline the other day.
- 14:00Speaker 1: Two or false. The Washington Nationals have walked off three
- 14:03Speaker 1: games in a row before.
- 14:06Speaker 3: That's true.
- 14:08Speaker 1: Okay, I thought you would be three for three after
- 14:10Speaker 1: today you were on that squad.
- 14:11Speaker 3: No, right, yeah, Diamondbacks.
- 14:14Speaker 2: I think we're right, all three or two two of them,
- 14:18Speaker 2: two of them pirates.
- 14:20Speaker 3: It's like it was Diamondbacks pirates.
- 14:22Speaker 1: Yes, and throw into the dirt. I believe against the Pirates.
- 14:25Speaker 3: That's right.
- 14:27Speaker 1: And the reason it came to my attention was the
- 14:29Speaker 1: Cubs just had three walkoffs over the weekend. But when
- 14:32Speaker 1: I went to look it up online, I was like,
- 14:33Speaker 1: I know the Nationals have done that before. Yeah, Google
- 14:37Speaker 1: overview Google A. I was saying, that's never happened before.
- 14:39Speaker 1: I was like, I know a guy tomorrow, they can
- 14:42Speaker 1: tell me. No, it was l Roach had one. I
- 14:44Speaker 1: think Rendon was up to play it on one. That
- 14:48Speaker 1: was the Pirates game.
- 14:51Speaker 3: I don't remember one.
- 14:53Speaker 2: I just know I know L Roach had to walk
- 14:55Speaker 2: off home and like it was it was so Roachy
- 14:58Speaker 2: on that one because he hit and it was like, we're.
- 15:02Speaker 3: Going nuts, He's wing cool. I hate Homer.
- 15:08Speaker 1: We talked talking about a guy that had a home
- 15:10Speaker 1: run yesterday. Kay Barry bonds, we're missing Spencer today, but
- 15:13Speaker 1: two doubles yesterday. I go ahead homer in the seventh.
- 15:16Speaker 1: I believe four eyes on the day, three RB eyes,
- 15:19Speaker 1: four RB eyes, a homer, two doubles, eight total bases.
- 15:23Speaker 1: He was just fantastic and the catching group is a core,
- 15:26Speaker 1: raising their ops by one hundred points in just twenty
- 15:29Speaker 1: four hours. I want to give some flowers to both
- 15:31Speaker 1: Drew and Caber right now because they were fantastic the
- 15:34Speaker 1: last forty eight hours.
- 15:36Speaker 2: Because I mean there's a lot honestly, like offensively they've
- 15:39Speaker 2: been terrible, and that there needs to be that truth, right,
- 15:43Speaker 2: Like they haven't been good and they've needed to step up.
- 15:47Speaker 2: And it doesn't mean that you got to hit homers,
- 15:49Speaker 2: and it's just being productive, like productive outs productive. You know,
- 15:54Speaker 2: AB's as far as quality, AB's hard contact, and we
- 15:58Speaker 2: haven't seen that consistently from both of them.
- 16:01Speaker 3: And so to get you know, two games in a.
- 16:03Speaker 2: Row because of where they're hitting in that lineup and
- 16:05Speaker 2: how much how important is that for the natscoing for
- 16:08Speaker 2: is huge, right if you can get production from the
- 16:11Speaker 2: eight nine spots in the order, knowing that James is looming,
- 16:17Speaker 2: like that's a huge piece of this and so yeah,
- 16:21Speaker 2: it was. It was satisfying to watch, but I mean
- 16:24Speaker 2: I couldn't imagine how how much how excited they were
- 16:29Speaker 2: just internally, because I think that's a huge part of
- 16:31Speaker 2: that is, you.
- 16:33Speaker 3: Know, they want to do it. It hasn't been like they
- 16:37Speaker 3: haven't wanted to do it.
- 16:37Speaker 2: They've been trying to do it and they just haven't
- 16:39Speaker 2: gotten it done until the last two days and it's
- 16:41Speaker 2: been phenomenal. Yeah, I think for fans what was very
- 16:45Speaker 2: satisfying about it as well was to see them do
- 16:47Speaker 2: it two days in a row. Give you some vibes
- 16:50Speaker 2: of twenty nineteen when Yan Gomes and Kurts Suzuki were
- 16:53Speaker 2: back there and said, hey, we got two guys that
- 16:55Speaker 2: can hit the ball pretty well, they can catch the
- 16:57Speaker 2: ball pretty well, Like this is a a one eight
- 17:00Speaker 2: be sort of situation where they can split the time equally,
- 17:04Speaker 2: and that's something we haven't seen quite as much in
- 17:06Speaker 2: the last few years in DC.
- 17:08Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 17:08Speaker 2: No, I mean, look, the twenty nineteen thing is is real,
- 17:12Speaker 2: but in two different totally two different groups.
- 17:16Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you know.
- 17:17Speaker 2: The the nineteen team was a veteran laden team and veteran,
- 17:21Speaker 2: very veteran catching group. This is still young, right, Like
- 17:26Speaker 2: they're still young in the world of catching, and.
- 17:29Speaker 3: They got a ways to go.
- 17:30Speaker 2: So hey, however, Nats fans want to, you know, experience it,
- 17:34Speaker 2: that's fine, but just keep it in perspective of what
- 17:37Speaker 2: they're trying to do and how much better they've gotten
- 17:39Speaker 2: already this year, but there's still room to grow.
- 17:43Speaker 1: Well, what's been exciting to me is just seeing all
- 17:45Speaker 1: the different names in the lineup. I think in previous
- 17:47Speaker 1: years we were so used to just seeing the same
- 17:49Speaker 1: lineup trotted out day in and day out, not much
- 17:52Speaker 1: movement in terms of where guys were hitting. That's been
- 17:55Speaker 1: changing every single day, not just who's in the lineup,
- 17:57Speaker 1: but where these guys are hitting, and that has been
- 18:00Speaker 1: really exciting to watch.
- 18:01Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what, and and and to me, it's uh.
- 18:06Speaker 2: I think it goes to the point of as a player,
- 18:11Speaker 2: you want to know that like you're doing.
- 18:14Speaker 3: You're doing it, like you're you're there.
- 18:16Speaker 2: There's something that that's kicking in with the manager in
- 18:19Speaker 2: front office that you're doing it like you're doing it.
- 18:21Speaker 2: However it may be it's Jacob Young going from the
- 18:25Speaker 2: nine hole to the you know, three spot, back to
- 18:27Speaker 2: the nine hole one another day. But like it's hey,
- 18:30Speaker 2: this is the matchup. They feel confident in me to
- 18:32Speaker 2: do this. Like it's very uplifting when you think about it.
- 18:37Speaker 2: When you have those moments, those are those are huge
- 18:41Speaker 2: as a player to be able to feel right, I'm
- 18:46Speaker 2: doing my job, I've done the right things. I'm getting
- 18:48Speaker 2: this spot. And it's like it again, they're putting themselves
- 18:51Speaker 2: and in these spots that the coaches are putting them
- 18:53Speaker 2: in these spots. Blake is putting them in these spots
- 18:55Speaker 2: to succeed. And that's a huge part of this as well.
- 18:58Speaker 2: I think that's the more important part. Right, you have
- 19:00Speaker 2: to have those those moments where I'm doing the right thing,
- 19:04Speaker 2: I'm getting I'm benefiting from it, right, Like I get to.
- 19:07Speaker 3: Hit higher in the order, I get more opportunities. Today.
- 19:09Speaker 2: Now there's only like a couple that are gonna be standards.
- 19:11Speaker 2: Which is gonna be James and CJ. Where there are
- 19:14Speaker 2: one and four, I think is gonna be the spot
- 19:16Speaker 2: maybe one and three at some point, you know, if
- 19:18Speaker 2: you get the right right handed bat behind James, I
- 19:21Speaker 2: think that's gonna be a key but.
- 19:26Speaker 3: I don't know.
- 19:26Speaker 2: I just it's so much more refreshing to watch. Do
- 19:31Speaker 2: you want a standard line up?
- 19:32Speaker 3: Yeah? Sure.
- 19:33Speaker 2: That means that you have guys that have done it
- 19:35Speaker 2: and like proven themselves time and time again. That's what
- 19:38Speaker 2: you're getting to. None of the guys in the last
- 19:40Speaker 2: couple of years have proven anything, and they're going in.
- 19:44Speaker 1: The same spots. It is really refreshing.
- 19:49Speaker 3: It is refreshing.
- 19:50Speaker 1: Refreshing is a good word for it. Like you said,
- 19:52Speaker 1: just a change of pace after something that had become
- 19:55Speaker 1: such a normalcy here in DC for many years. So
- 19:58Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about ABS little bit. I was
- 20:00Speaker 1: yapping my roommate's ear off about it. The other day.
- 20:03Speaker 1: I saw this graphic roughly a week ago from Britain
- 20:06Speaker 1: the Bullpen on Instagram. For those of you watching online
- 20:09Speaker 1: ABS accuracy, who's getting it right? These numbers are from
- 20:12Speaker 1: just a few days ago, but overall, fifty three percent
- 20:15Speaker 1: of challenge attempts have been overturned. Catchers were much more
- 20:18Speaker 1: successful in those numbers, and you look at the right side,
- 20:21Speaker 1: some of the best in overturn percentage and some of
- 20:24Speaker 1: the worst in overturn percentage. This graphic for those of
- 20:27Speaker 1: you watching online coming from Baseball Savon. I believe, yes,
- 20:32Speaker 1: Baseball Savon's where I grabbed it from last night, and
- 20:35Speaker 1: I'm not not totally sure what's going on in the
- 20:37Speaker 1: category on the right here runs versus expected. I believe
- 20:40Speaker 1: that number there for the Twins two point five is
- 20:42Speaker 1: telling you that is the number of runs that is expected.
- 20:45Speaker 1: They've created all of their challenges, and you take a
- 20:47Speaker 1: look at the bottom half of the league, the Nationals
- 20:51Speaker 1: twenty seventh ranked, and that's just their overall scoring, but
- 20:54Speaker 1: point seven minus point seven on the actual run value
- 20:58Speaker 1: on their challenges. So I'm just framing what does this
- 21:01Speaker 1: say to you about the National's pitch framing abilities and
- 21:05Speaker 1: how can they use their challenges more effectively in the future,
- 21:10Speaker 1: Because to me, it's just the situations that they're being
- 21:13Speaker 1: used in. I see us coming up in the eighth
- 21:15Speaker 1: or the ninth inning and saying, ah, we're out of
- 21:17Speaker 1: challenges or we're down to one challenge. I feel a
- 21:19Speaker 1: lot more comfortable if we were playing with two right now.
- 21:23Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 21:23Speaker 2: I don't know the breakdown about innings wise, like what
- 21:25Speaker 2: they're at, but yeah, it feels like that often the
- 21:29Speaker 2: misses have been huge from the catching side. Now you
- 21:33Speaker 2: have sixty one overall challenges throughout the year for the
- 21:36Speaker 2: Nats and they're thirty nine percent, which is three percent
- 21:39Speaker 2: lower than anybody else.
- 21:40Speaker 3: Right, thirty nine percent is not good catching wise.
- 21:44Speaker 2: You went from watching the number one team in the game,
- 21:47Speaker 2: you know, in the Minnesota Twins. I mean, I think
- 21:49Speaker 2: they they're fifty challenges now and they're at sixty eight percent.
- 21:55Speaker 3: Right, I mean they have flipped. They have gained.
- 21:59Speaker 2: This is the part that I really like, is this
- 22:03Speaker 2: part of how many strikeouts have be gained?
- 22:05Speaker 3: How many walks have you taken away?
- 22:11Speaker 2: Taken away two? But it's fifteen strikeouts they've added now.
- 22:16Speaker 2: I think they added two against the Gnats in the series.
- 22:20Speaker 2: The Gnats are dead last when it comes to you know,
- 22:23Speaker 2: they haven't taken away a walk, okay, and then they've
- 22:26Speaker 2: added three. I think that's dead last. They've added three strikeouts,
- 22:31Speaker 2: that's it. And what does it say about pitch framing.
- 22:35Speaker 2: I think they've been so good at honing in on
- 22:38Speaker 2: those skills of actually framing. I mean they are top
- 22:41Speaker 2: three in the game at strikes looking above average, which
- 22:44Speaker 2: is an incredible, incredible stat because they've been dead last
- 22:49Speaker 2: the last five years combined four years actually, and it
- 22:54Speaker 2: hasn't been good. But now being where they are, okay,
- 22:56Speaker 2: now let's take the next step. Like I think we're
- 23:00Speaker 2: seeing some hesitation, you know from from you know, Millicon
- 23:04Speaker 2: and Cabard and some of the hesitation. I'm like, thank
- 23:06Speaker 2: god they didn't do it, because again it's these big misses.
- 23:09Speaker 3: I just think they you know, you go from watching
- 23:14Speaker 3: Ryan Jeffers, who I.
- 23:15Speaker 2: Think is nineteen for man, what was he he has
- 23:21Speaker 2: an incredible his was incredible. Ryan Jeffers is nineteen for
- 23:24Speaker 2: thirty with eleven strikeouts at it right, just himself and
- 23:30Speaker 2: the confidence that he has when he wants it right,
- 23:33Speaker 2: like it's right away, boom go, and.
- 23:36Speaker 3: It's a huge it's a huge asset for a team. Right,
- 23:39Speaker 3: it's game changing, it's game changing. Now. On the flip side,
- 23:43Speaker 3: James is one for seven.
- 23:46Speaker 1: But his misses have been brutal. Like you've talked about.
- 23:50Speaker 2: Five of the six misses, five of the six misses
- 23:53Speaker 2: have been just barely something touching the strike zone, right.
- 24:00Speaker 3: He said, he's had one that's been all over the plate.
- 24:04Speaker 3: That's it.
- 24:05Speaker 2: So you know, you just don't want him shine away
- 24:08Speaker 2: still because I mean he's technically he's right.
- 24:13Speaker 1: If you want to be technical about it, he's right.
- 24:16Speaker 3: Yeah. So I mean yeah, and and so is the
- 24:18Speaker 3: umpire right.
- 24:20Speaker 2: This is the stuff that you know, a lot of
- 24:21Speaker 2: his are the proving of how good the Empires are
- 24:24Speaker 2: too getting the calls right in this situation. So I
- 24:28Speaker 2: look at this and I'm like, they just it's not
- 24:31Speaker 2: a weapon form right now, and they cannot they cannot.
- 24:37Speaker 3: Continue to be a poor thing.
- 24:39Speaker 2: They have to be able to use it to their
- 24:41Speaker 2: advantage at some point, and they got to continue to
- 24:43Speaker 2: work on him.
- 24:44Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 24:45Speaker 1: I mean, we could talk about it all day because
- 24:47Speaker 1: the ABS has been fascinating to me to follow this year.
- 24:50Speaker 1: But for those of you listening or watching, the only
- 24:53Speaker 1: scenario it could be used in right, It assumes that
- 24:56Speaker 1: the batter is taking the pitch now. To use it efficiently,
- 24:59Speaker 1: it also has to assume that the umpire missed the call.
- 25:03Speaker 1: And then, as you just mentioned about walks and strikeouts,
- 25:06Speaker 1: the most efficient situation in which a team could be
- 25:09Speaker 1: using it would be on a three and two count,
- 25:12Speaker 1: not an OO pitch, because an O pitch is not
- 25:14Speaker 1: going to dictate the rest of the bat, especially first
- 25:17Speaker 1: pitch lead off guy in the game. Okay, like you know,
- 25:19Speaker 1: miss a call, you miss a call. But in the
- 25:21Speaker 1: ninth inning, when it's three to two and the bases
- 25:24Speaker 1: are loaded, that makes a big difference if it's a
- 25:27Speaker 1: walk or a strikeout because again has to assume that
- 25:30Speaker 1: the batter did not swing, and it also has to
- 25:32Speaker 1: assume that the umpire got the call and correct which
- 25:34Speaker 1: again there's a lot of technical speak about what's a ball,
- 25:37Speaker 1: what's a strike. Oh, if it's touching, that makes it
- 25:40Speaker 1: a strike. I don't know. It's a really interesting conversation
- 25:44Speaker 1: for me. Yeah, and I don't have answers. I don't
- 25:47Speaker 1: have answers.
- 25:47Speaker 3: No one does. No one going in.
- 25:49Speaker 1: Circles in the kitchen yesterday when I was talking about
- 25:51Speaker 1: with my roommates, I'm like, there is no right or
- 25:54Speaker 1: wrong here. They're feeling it out in the first year
- 25:56Speaker 1: of it. But it's just been fascinating for me to follow.
- 25:59Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 26:00Speaker 2: No, it's there is no right or wrong, and it's
- 26:02Speaker 2: one that I think we're going to find more wrong
- 26:05Speaker 2: about it. As far as the player side of it,
- 26:10Speaker 2: you know, as we go forward.
- 26:12Speaker 3: Pictures aren't good at it.
- 26:15Speaker 2: Certain teams are better than others. And it's okay, So
- 26:18Speaker 2: why you know, Like why, Like we're in Miami and
- 26:21Speaker 2: they just sent down Augustine Ramirez and he was twenty
- 26:23Speaker 2: two for thirty one, you know, and that's a huge
- 26:27Speaker 2: asset for your team, that for your pictures. Thinking about that,
- 26:30Speaker 2: like being able to add because I don't know what
- 26:33Speaker 2: the psychology on it is, like when they add one,
- 26:36Speaker 2: what does it do for you? Right when it adds
- 26:38Speaker 2: a strike, when it takes when it keeps something a ball,
- 26:42Speaker 2: is it.
- 26:42Speaker 3: Reaffirmed like oh, that was a terrible pitch.
- 26:45Speaker 1: Yeah, because like, yeah, when Dan's making the calls on TV,
- 26:49Speaker 1: he's very quick with it. Okay, one one, and I
- 26:51Speaker 1: see the battery immediately go We're going to assume the
- 26:54Speaker 1: count is one and one until it gets overturned and
- 26:57Speaker 1: then all of a sudden it's like, oh, crap, it's
- 26:59Speaker 1: two oh or it's o two.
- 27:01Speaker 3: Yeah, And when you can't flip it like that, it
- 27:03Speaker 3: changes everything, man.
- 27:04Speaker 1: And what was most fascinating to me about this graphic
- 27:07Speaker 1: for those of you watching online, you look at the
- 27:10Speaker 1: best overturn percentages in the league. On the left side there,
- 27:14Speaker 1: that's your batters from an offensive perspective. You don't see
- 27:17Speaker 1: any catchers. It's it's fascinating to me that catchers obviously
- 27:23Speaker 1: are going to have a better look maybe in a
- 27:24Speaker 1: better understanding of the strike zone, but that when the
- 27:27Speaker 1: catcher's up to that, they're not. Also the guys that
- 27:30Speaker 1: were seeing at the top of that list. From like
- 27:32Speaker 1: an offensive perspective, it just seems to me like catchers
- 27:35Speaker 1: would have the most understanding of a strike zone spending
- 27:38Speaker 1: half their innings behind there.
- 27:40Speaker 2: Well, like I would go back and think about like
- 27:42Speaker 2: Buster Posey Bean, if he was hitting, he'd be leading
- 27:45Speaker 2: the league in both right like catching and and when
- 27:48Speaker 2: he was hidden his understanding of the strike zone.
- 27:52Speaker 3: I mean, I think one Soto is overst still yeah, yeah,
- 27:57Speaker 3: you know, so, I mean.
- 27:59Speaker 2: This crazy understanding of the strike zone I think would
- 28:05Speaker 2: be you know, one would be number one, but he's
- 28:07Speaker 2: he's not proven.
- 28:08Speaker 3: That he could do it yet.
- 28:10Speaker 2: So it's interesting to see Kyle Schwarber's seven for eleven.
- 28:13Speaker 2: You know, that's a pretty good clip hoose al two
- 28:15Speaker 2: VA seven for ten, which to me is fascinating based
- 28:18Speaker 2: on the fact that, like you're he's a free swinger.
- 28:22Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all very interesting. We're only like what six
- 28:27Speaker 1: seven weeks into this whole experiment here, and we're only
- 28:30Speaker 1: like a month into this podcast. This podcast is still
- 28:33Speaker 1: very young, only episode twelve. But let's look ahead. You
- 28:36Speaker 1: know you're down in Miami right now. We got the
- 28:38Speaker 1: Marlins for three. We'll be recapping that for all of
- 28:40Speaker 1: our listeners on Monday, and then after that at Cincinnati.
- 28:43Speaker 1: But tonight we got Fosterfest. He's just been terrific this season.
- 28:48Speaker 1: What's he got to do to neutralize these Marlins bats?
- 28:52Speaker 3: Not tay for granted who they are.
- 28:53Speaker 2: I mean, the Marlins are a good team that especially
- 28:56Speaker 2: the top three guys in the order with Xavier Edwards
- 28:58Speaker 2: and Liam Hicks Auto Lopez, they're fantastic and they've done
- 29:02Speaker 2: a lot of damage. Liam Hicks leading the league in RBI, right,
- 29:05Speaker 2: So you can't give in, And then you can't just
- 29:08Speaker 2: assume that Kyle Stowers is gonna say Kyle Stowers of
- 29:10Speaker 2: now and not revert back to yesteryear.
- 29:13Speaker 3: Right, Like he was unbelievable last.
- 29:16Speaker 2: Year, he gets hurt this year early on, He's still
- 29:20Speaker 2: trying to find his way, and it's one of those
- 29:22Speaker 2: where if you think that you can't circle him, he's
- 29:24Speaker 2: still got you circle you know, because at any point
- 29:27Speaker 2: in time, he's gonna jump ship and it's gonna change things.
- 29:29Speaker 3: And yeah, this team is intriguing. It's athletic.
- 29:34Speaker 2: They don't make a lot of mistakes, do they. They
- 29:36Speaker 2: rely on the home or no, but they can't hit
- 29:38Speaker 2: the homer. The starting pitching side, I think they're gonna
- 29:43Speaker 2: end up going Robbie Snelling, he's gonna make his debut tonight,
- 29:48Speaker 2: Lefty could he's got some good ass.
- 29:51Speaker 3: It's like we like to call it, like good ass.
- 29:54Speaker 2: It's firm ninety five ninety seven standard from them. But
- 29:57Speaker 2: like their pen is the pen has been a problem
- 30:00Speaker 2: for teams. You know, it's one of the best pens
- 30:03Speaker 2: in the league as far as limiting heard contact, hit,
- 30:06Speaker 2: limited any damage it all, or even then he hits,
- 30:09Speaker 2: they walk some guys. That's about it. That's about like
- 30:11Speaker 2: what they do is they walk guys. But that's like
- 30:14Speaker 2: you kind of stop there. It's one of the top
- 30:17Speaker 2: pens in the league, so you can't got to get
- 30:20Speaker 2: ahead of him early on and you just gotta hold on,
- 30:22Speaker 2: hold on tight.
- 30:24Speaker 1: Yeah, I just want to see the bullpen keep doing
- 30:26Speaker 1: their thing. I mean, if they play the way they
- 30:28Speaker 1: played the last couple of days. It's going to be
- 30:29Speaker 1: a fun series to watch. But the bullpen has been
- 30:32Speaker 1: really sharp. I feel like the last week week and
- 30:34Speaker 1: have some numbers before we go. PJ Pullins now three
- 30:37Speaker 1: and zero with the three four four on the season
- 30:39Speaker 1: and Barlin, oh my goodness, three h seven. I mean,
- 30:43Speaker 1: he is just assuming the responsibility in the role of
- 30:46Speaker 1: closer here. Can't stand enough good things about him and
- 30:49Speaker 1: the intensity that he has out there on the mound.
- 30:51Speaker 1: I love it like he wants the ball, he wants
- 30:53Speaker 1: to be in that pressure build situation.
- 30:56Speaker 2: I wouldn't say he's the closer though, because they when
- 30:58Speaker 2: they've shown that they uh the the opportunities that are
- 31:02Speaker 2: coming to him, they're they're playing it. It's it's kind
- 31:05Speaker 2: of fun to watch and see how they plan it
- 31:06Speaker 2: out because we saw Richard Lovelady close one out the
- 31:09Speaker 2: other day.
- 31:11Speaker 3: It's it's fun to watch.
- 31:13Speaker 2: Guys coming to their own at the big league level
- 31:16Speaker 2: because you know that this this intensity, this this pressure,
- 31:19Speaker 2: and especially against the guy like for for Gus Varley
- 31:21Speaker 2: going to against his hometown team to be able to
- 31:24Speaker 2: compartmentalize everything and just move on, just like he continued
- 31:28Speaker 2: to move on and that's exactly how you want to
- 31:30Speaker 2: see it from him. Uh, just an incredible, incredible story.
- 31:35Speaker 2: Love the guy.
- 31:36Speaker 1: He is funny, Yeah, he's like his postgame was really
- 31:40Speaker 1: good talking about him and Louie getting on the sticks,
- 31:43Speaker 1: talking a little trash about going for the most staves
- 31:46Speaker 1: and stuff. But like he said, he takes the knowledge
- 31:48Speaker 1: from him. His brother has had a lot of experience
- 31:50Speaker 1: in those roles before, and they just bounce ideas off
- 31:53Speaker 1: each other about how to keep getting forward through it.
- 31:55Speaker 1: And what he said the same thing that CJ said
- 31:58Speaker 1: in his postgam on Wednesday, the quote just did their thing.
- 32:02Speaker 1: And I think that this team can just keep doing
- 32:04Speaker 1: their thing. Hey, we might walk out of Miami game
- 32:07Speaker 1: under two games on her who knows, you know, let's play.
- 32:10Speaker 1: Let's play.
- 32:12Speaker 3: The bad thing is what.
- 32:14Speaker 2: We haven't done at home. We've talked about this the
- 32:16Speaker 2: other day. Was the first game of the series is awful.
- 32:19Speaker 2: Right on the road, it's kind of been otherwise. They
- 32:22Speaker 2: they've done a really good job of the first game
- 32:24Speaker 2: of the series. They got to continue that trend, you know,
- 32:27Speaker 2: and they continue to set the tone tonight and and
- 32:30Speaker 2: it's it's just give themselves some breathing room on stuff,
- 32:33Speaker 2: not to feel like you got to, you know, play
- 32:35Speaker 2: for the Sunday.
- 32:36Speaker 3: You know, ah, salvage, I mean, really is what it is.
- 32:42Speaker 2: And and and so you go day one, see what
- 32:45Speaker 2: you do, and then move along and and it really
- 32:47Speaker 2: is the one game at a time.
- 32:48Speaker 3: But if people get annoyed by that, but it's true,
- 32:50Speaker 3: like there's no other way to do it.
- 32:53Speaker 1: Hopefully they can get some innings out of Foster tonight.
- 32:55Speaker 1: But you know, for those of you watching online, why
- 32:58Speaker 1: not go ahead and bring up the box score from
- 32:59Speaker 1: yes today one more time. Those guys like did their thing,
- 33:02Speaker 1: like they balled. Oh excuse me, that's the pitting box score,
- 33:05Speaker 1: but the pitching box score. Those guys did their thing yesterday,
- 33:08Speaker 1: and it was exciting to watch. And you know, collective group,
- 33:11Speaker 1: you know, putting in one inning apiece at Max Richard
- 33:13Speaker 1: Lovelady with two thirds of an inning there, guys are rested.
- 33:17Speaker 1: So it's nice to.
- 33:18Speaker 3: See guys are Guys are definitely rested. But you want
- 33:20Speaker 3: to keep it the rested too.
- 33:21Speaker 1: Oh yeah, always always can have too many rested arms
- 33:24Speaker 1: down in the bullpen. As I mentioned, Foster gripping getting
- 33:28Speaker 1: the ball later tonight. We will be recapping the Marlin
- 33:31Speaker 1: series for you on Monday. If you're listening on YouTube,
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- 33:44Speaker 1: else you want to add?
- 33:46Speaker 3: No, let's just get another another dub tonight. Let you do.
- 33:49Speaker 3: I'm in.
- 33:50Speaker 1: Just keep it rolling. Hopefully we'll have Spencer back on Monday.
- 33:52Speaker 1: Should have them there, but we will see in the
- 33:54Speaker 1: next episode. Until then, see you later, See you later.