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Breaking news in missing tot Lucas Hernandez disappearance; jail house mix up ends in suicide · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius XM Triumph Channel
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Speaker 1: one two. Shocking and disturbing new details emerging at this
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Speaker 1: hour about a five year old missing Wichita boy. I'm
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Speaker 1: talking about Lucas Hernandez. What happened? This is Crime Stories
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Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, thank you for being with us. Listen
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Speaker 1: to this. Happy birthday, Dear Lucy, Happy birthday to you.
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Speaker 1: Blot your candle, good job, but you're five years old tomorrow.
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Speaker 1: What you just heard is happy birthday being sung to
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Speaker 1: a little five year old Lucas Hernandez that was at
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Speaker 1: his five year birthday. Lucas is missing. Somebody knows where
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Speaker 1: he is, and I have very strong suspicions that somebody
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Speaker 1: is his stepmother and his bio dad. Overnight we find
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Speaker 1: out that his dad is put behind bars, but nothing
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Speaker 1: to do with Lucas and has to do with the
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Speaker 1: domestic assault and guess what else he's already out of jail.
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Speaker 1: When will there be justice for Lucas? This child seen
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Speaker 1: by many people, relatives, others, with cuts, bruises, not not
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Speaker 1: enough to eat. It just it finally ended when the
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Speaker 1: child completely goes missing, and it just I can't believe
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Speaker 1: that dad is behind bars on a domestic assault and
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Speaker 1: he walks out, walks out scott free, while his five
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Speaker 1: year old son is missing. I want to know the
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Speaker 1: very latest with me. Kim Martin from Missing Pieces Network
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Speaker 1: trying to find answers well known juvenile judge and lawyer,
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Speaker 1: founder of child crime watch dot com Ashley Willcott, also
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Speaker 1: with me, investigative reporter with crime online dot com, Lee
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Speaker 1: Egan Lee. Let's start at the beginning. When did Lucas
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Speaker 1: go missing? And he just appear? According to Emily lash
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Speaker 1: on February seven, Keen, although we're really not sure it
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Speaker 1: could have been the day prior. You know, that's confusing
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Speaker 1: to me. Kim Martin with Missing Pieces Network, how nobody
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Speaker 1: knows exactly when he went missing. I have a problem
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Speaker 1: with that, hold on, Kim Ashley. I know where my
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Speaker 1: children are at this minute, at this exact minute. I
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Speaker 1: know when I saw them last. I'm not confused. Why
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Speaker 1: are they confused? Gives a very bad vibe on this
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Speaker 1: so called stepmother Emily Glass and the father too. I'll
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Speaker 1: throw both of the same pot boy. How they don't
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Speaker 1: know when he went missing? In this field, that's a
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Speaker 1: huge red flag because at a minimum, there's a lack
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Speaker 1: of supervision, which can be grounds for kids being removed
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Speaker 1: from a home. I think it's more than a lack
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Speaker 1: of supervision. I think they're responsible or know who's responsible.
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Speaker 1: This little missing Wichita boy, Lucas Hernandez is absolutely the
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Speaker 1: cutest thing you would ever want to see. He's only
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Speaker 1: five years old now. He was reported missing on a
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Speaker 1: Saturday at six fifteen p m. And the twenty six
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Speaker 1: year old stepmother tells cops she last saw him around
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Speaker 1: three what three three and on nearly three and a
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Speaker 1: half hours go by before you call the cops. She says,
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Speaker 1: she took a shower and a nap, and when she
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Speaker 1: woke up, he was just gone and the back door open. Okay.
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Speaker 1: Police have gone so far as to say nothing so
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Speaker 1: far indicates the little boy was kidnapped. That they searched
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Speaker 1: the home, they searched the surrounding neighborhood, they searched nearby park,
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Speaker 1: but still don't know what happened. Kim Martin with me
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Speaker 1: with Missing Pieces Network. Kim, can you clarify anything about
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Speaker 1: his disappearance? I know that the evening, it was either
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Speaker 1: lunch that day or the evening before the stepmother, Emily Glass,
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Speaker 1: takes her daughter to Olive Garden, you know, the bottomless
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Speaker 1: salad and all that, and she leaves Lucas at home
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Speaker 1: staring out the window with nothing to eat. I know
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Speaker 1: that much she was. Yet that was on February, and
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Speaker 1: that's the same day that the landlord saw Lucas through
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Speaker 1: the window. So that was the Friday before he was
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Speaker 1: reported missing. We do know that Jonathan, his father left
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Speaker 1: space timed with them that with their habit in the
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Speaker 1: evenings on February, so we've got him a line on February,
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Speaker 1: and the landlord saw him around five thirty on okay,
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Speaker 1: around five thirty in the afternoon, yep. So we've got
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Speaker 1: the twenty four hour period where no one knows where
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Speaker 1: Lucas is. I just find it just the oddest thing
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Speaker 1: to ask you, Willcott, that the stepmother, if she can recalled,
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Speaker 1: that leaves the boy at home alone, I might add,
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Speaker 1: at five years old, while she takes her natural or
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Speaker 1: biological daughter out to eat, leaves him there starving. Uh Kim,
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Speaker 1: what can you tell me about cuts and bruises that
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Speaker 1: people saw on the little boy before he went missing?
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Speaker 1: It had started back The first time I believe that
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Speaker 1: um CPS was called was May of things have been
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Speaker 1: noticed before then. Um I mean just uses on his rear,
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Speaker 1: end on his face, cuts on his nose. Um. The
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Speaker 1: worst or maybe not the worst, but the biggest red
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Speaker 1: flag to me was one of his arms. I believe
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Speaker 1: it was the left arm was so bruised that when
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Speaker 1: they went for a visit UM temporary tattoos were placed
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Speaker 1: over the bruises in an attempt to hide my stars
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Speaker 1: Ashley Will caught Atlanta juvenile judge. I didn't know that
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Speaker 1: they actually tried to cover up the bruises with temporary tattoos.
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Speaker 1: That's bad, It's really bad. And let me tell you,
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Speaker 1: this child should have been removed by defects when all
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Speaker 1: this bruising was seen. So this is a clear system failed.
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Speaker 1: They failed to protect this child multiple times. It was
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Speaker 1: reported again in November. And if the last picture or
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Speaker 1: the last known picture of Lucas he if you put
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Speaker 1: the photos side by side, you know of him a
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Speaker 1: year ago. It does not look like the same child.
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Speaker 1: He's lost so much weight, his face is sunk in,
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Speaker 1: his eyes are black, his nose is cut um and
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Speaker 1: you know a picture of him. Two weeks earlier, he
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Speaker 1: looked much better. He was with um biological grandmother that
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Speaker 1: weekend and you know, they had a good time, laughing fun.
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Speaker 1: He looked fine. You know. Two weeks later he's with
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Speaker 1: Emily and her family and he's got two black hys.
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Speaker 1: It's awful, and he looks so sad in those pictures.
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Speaker 1: He's there's one where he looks at the camera they're
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Speaker 1: doing the little family photo and it's almost his little
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Speaker 1: eyes are just pleading. That picture just haunts me, It
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Speaker 1: really does. A school nurse documents little Lucas is bruises
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Speaker 1: and cuts just a couple of weeks before he disappears.
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Speaker 1: The little pre k boy had a prolonged absence from school.
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Speaker 1: And when you get to the school nursing and she
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Speaker 1: is writing about all of your bruising, that's bad. Now
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Speaker 1: we've believe that Lucas had bruises most often after the stepmother,
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Speaker 1: the Glass and the father fought. It seems to me
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Speaker 1: that somebody was taking it out on the little boy.
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Speaker 1: To Lee Egan, crime online dot Com, what do we
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Speaker 1: know about Emily Glass is so called stepmother? Well, what
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Speaker 1: we know according to court documents, you're absolutely right. Um.
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Speaker 1: They're alleging that the father and the mother would fight
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Speaker 1: a lot and then he would leave. He would go
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Speaker 1: months on end month at the time he would be
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Speaker 1: out of counsel work and she's left there along with
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Speaker 1: Lucas and her anger allegedly would be turned to him
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Speaker 1: and she snacked him, you know, she pushed him around
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Speaker 1: there and like him said, they were through all over
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Speaker 1: his body. She seemed to school this way. They noticed it,
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Speaker 1: they documented it, I believe. I don't know for sure,
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Speaker 1: but I believe they reported it. Yet nothing was done.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he went back home. Why why, Ashley Willcott,
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Speaker 1: you're the juvenile judge, You're the founder of child crime
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Speaker 1: watch dot com. Why is it with d FACTS Department,
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Speaker 1: Family Children's Services CPS, Child Protective Services They just sit
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Speaker 1: by and take notes and notes and notes and notes
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Speaker 1: while the kid dies and even worse, pictures and pictures
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Speaker 1: and pictures and pictures. In this case, there's no explanation
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Speaker 1: for the why. There is no good reason. Their job.
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Speaker 1: De Facts's job is to investigate allegations and if there's
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Speaker 1: any substantiation or belief that the child's an imminent risk,
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Speaker 1: then they call the court to remove the child from
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Speaker 1: that home. That's what should have happened. Just I just
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Speaker 1: don't get it. I mean, what do you have to
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Speaker 1: write war and peace before you can get a child
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Speaker 1: taken out of an abusive home. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: Kansas City Police. This is Officer Charlie Davison announcing Lucas
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Speaker 1: officially is is gone. Lucas was last seen wearing black sweats,
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Speaker 1: white sox, and a gray shirt with a bear on it.
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Speaker 1: Our thoughts and prayers remain with Lucas and Lucas's family
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Speaker 1: as we are diligently investigating the situation. On Friday, February seventeenth,
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Speaker 1: that approximately six fifteen officers were dispatched to a lost
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Speaker 1: juvenile call at a residence and a six d block
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Speaker 1: of South Edgemore. When they arrived, they made contact with
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Speaker 1: the twenty six year old female who is the stepmother
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Speaker 1: of Lucas. She reported to officers that she last saw
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Speaker 1: Lucas in his bedroom at approximately three pm, prior to
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Speaker 1: her showering and falling asleep. Officers and canine units have
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Speaker 1: Dylan dylantly checked the home and the neighborhood with no
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Speaker 1: luck of locating Lucas at this time currently which top
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Speaker 1: police department detectives continue to speak with family and follow
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Speaker 1: up with any leads regarding this unfortunate situation. So we
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Speaker 1: are asking the community which has any information regarding this case,
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Speaker 1: so please call tips into three one six three eight
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Speaker 1: three four six six one and there will be individuals
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Speaker 1: at our employment or excuse me, emergency operation command center
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Speaker 1: to answer those tips. However, at this point, we're asking
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Speaker 1: citizens to share the information on their social media pages
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Speaker 1: and called the tip line with any information. What I
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Speaker 1: don't understand is what has happened during the nine hours?
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Speaker 1: What do we know, Lee Agan, about the father just
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Speaker 1: getting arrested, the father, the biological father, getting arrested overnight
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Speaker 1: and then he just walks out of jail. What what happened?
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Speaker 1: Why was he behind bars? Did having anything to do
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Speaker 1: with Lucas disappearing? It did not. It's an unrelated charge
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Speaker 1: and it was a misdemeanor according to the doors, like
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Speaker 1: court documents, he smacked one of Emily's biological sons, part
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Speaker 1: of us on his chest legal march and he appeared
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Speaker 1: in court and I believe they arrested him right after
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Speaker 1: his court Here he he wants right out, Saint day.
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Speaker 1: You know what I mean, They've got him right there
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Speaker 1: behind bars and they let him walk. When Lucas goes missing,
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Speaker 1: to Kim Martin joining me with Missing Pieces Network looking
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Speaker 1: for answers. God bless you, Kim Martin. Where was the
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Speaker 1: bio dad? When Lucas goes missing? The baby Lucas five
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Speaker 1: year old Lucas just turned five, is at home with
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Speaker 1: the so called stepmother. She's really a living girlfriend. It's
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Speaker 1: what she has. Go ahead, where's the dad? He was
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Speaker 1: in New Mexico working as a what Why was he
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Speaker 1: in New Mexico? He works? Um, I don't understand the
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Speaker 1: oil industry, but he's a contractor and works down there,
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Speaker 1: something to do with oil rigs. So he's his schedule
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Speaker 1: now is he works twenty days on and then he's
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Speaker 1: off for ten days now. Last year, yeah, yeah, I'm
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Speaker 1: familiar with that. UM. Last year for most of the day,
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Speaker 1: it was for most of the year, he was forty
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Speaker 1: days on in twenty days off. So so he would
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Speaker 1: be gone for three weeks. That's tough. That's a tough
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Speaker 1: way to make a living. So as she will caught,
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Speaker 1: I believe that the stress would go up and the
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Speaker 1: stepmother she's a living girlfriend. I don't even want to
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Speaker 1: call her stepmother. But her anger and resentment toward having
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Speaker 1: to take care of Lucas would escalate when the bio dad,
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Speaker 1: her boyfriend is gone, and it would get worse and
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Speaker 1: worse and worse. And then while he's gone, Lucas goes missing.
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Speaker 1: I agree with you, Nancy, and here's what makes it
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Speaker 1: one step worse. Think about those tattoos, the temporary tattoos
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Speaker 1: covering up bruises. Not only did the stress get worse,
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Speaker 1: her actions got worse. It was premeditated. She knew what
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Speaker 1: she was doing was wrong. She knew she was beating
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Speaker 1: the crap out of this kid, and instead covers it
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Speaker 1: up and just keeps doing it. Guys, take a listen
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Speaker 1: to what we know. We're talking about the stepmother of
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Speaker 1: missing a five year old which Tabboy Lucas her nandez
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Speaker 1: Emily Glass, twenty six year old living girlfriend with her
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Speaker 1: children of her own, is there in the home saying
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Speaker 1: she took a shower and a nap for three hours
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Speaker 1: in the middle of the day. Man, I wish I
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Speaker 1: had three hours to burn in the middle of the
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Speaker 1: day when I could just kick back and take a
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Speaker 1: long lug. Hey, you remember those commercials as she will caught.
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Speaker 1: They would say, Calgan take me away. At Jackie's mouthing
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Speaker 1: it right now, And there'd always be this woman like
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Speaker 1: with one of those turban things on her head, and
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Speaker 1: she was had on full makeup, of course, with eyelashes
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Speaker 1: and all that, and I would think she was so beautiful.
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Speaker 1: She was like stretched out this beautiful tub with the
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Speaker 1: bubbles up to her chin and candles and music. I'm like, wow, okay,
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Speaker 1: I need to do that. Of course that has never happened.
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Speaker 1: Do you remember Calgan take me away? Actually? Is it
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Speaker 1: just me? Remember it sounded delightful. Let me suggest this, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: You might do it in the shower and the bad
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Speaker 1: for three hours in the middle of the day. Why
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Speaker 1: is it just made that's work in my rear end off?
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Speaker 1: Like somebody asked me the other day, have you ever
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Speaker 1: been to Italy? And I went, Now, I've felt been
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Speaker 1: to work. What is she doing having a shower for
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Speaker 1: three hours in the middle of the day. It's completely different.
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Speaker 1: Once you have kids, you might might might decide with
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Speaker 1: no kids, no responsibilities of kids in the home. Okay, good,
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Speaker 1: then I'm gonna do it. But once you have kids,
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Speaker 1: you know, Nancy, every second you're not working, what are
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Speaker 1: you doing? You are paying attention to your children, what
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Speaker 1: they're doing. Well. At five o'clock this morning, I was
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Speaker 1: not working on John David's report for school. Okay, but
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Speaker 1: that's what that's me doing. That's what parents who are
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Speaker 1: good parents should be doing, not napping while they're failing
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Speaker 1: to supervise their young children. Kim Martin Missing Pieces Network
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Speaker 1: sit true. She tried to blame the other children for
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Speaker 1: all the bruises all over Lucas. Um she did she well,
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Speaker 1: She deflected when answered about it and said that she
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Speaker 1: sometimes sent Lucas to her cousin's house and there were
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Speaker 1: older boys, and you know how boys will be. It
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Speaker 1: was one of those types of excuses. Not my boy,
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Speaker 1: not yet anyway, that's me knocking on wood because well
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Speaker 1: actually loses the one if either one of them touched
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Speaker 1: the other. Oh yeah, that's a big, big no no
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Speaker 1: uh no hitting. So this whole boy's will be boys thing.
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Speaker 1: Mm hmmmm. I've seen enough juvenile offenders that that is
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Speaker 1: not washing with mommy. Guys, listen to this, listen to this.
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Speaker 1: Police pull out all the stops, They bring out the
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Speaker 1: k nines. They do extensive searches, including over one hundred officers,
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Speaker 1: the dogs, the helicopters, parks, streams, neighborhoods for glass lived
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Speaker 1: all over the place looking for Lucas. Citizen groups joined
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Speaker 1: the search. Found no sign of the boy. Investigators still
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Speaker 1: insisting they find no evidence the boy abductive police reports
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Speaker 1: showing officers had been called to the home in the
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Speaker 1: past when the boy's father and stepmother had fought. Until this,
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Speaker 1: take a listen to Kansas Deputy Police Chief Gavin Sealer.
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Speaker 1: This case is now considered criminal investigation. Investigators have arrested
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Speaker 1: a twenty six year old female on two counts of
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Speaker 1: child endangerment. Charges are related to new information gathered during
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Speaker 1: this investigation. Officers and investigators have been working on this
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Speaker 1: case NonStop since six fifteen Saturday evening. We have collected
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Speaker 1: information through countless interviews, follow ups on leads, and examining evidence.
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Speaker 1: This evidence or I'm sorry, this incident has touched many
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Speaker 1: in our community. I know that many. There are many
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Speaker 1: more questions as a result of this are This continues
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Speaker 1: to be a criminal investigation and we cannot go into
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Speaker 1: further details. The search for Leakas Lucas is ongoing and
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Speaker 1: we are still asking public for assistance. We continue to
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Speaker 1: provide every resource that we have available to find Lucas.
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Speaker 1: This is our priority. UH. If you have any information
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Speaker 1: on where his whereabouts, please call this tip line number
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Speaker 1: is three one six three eight three four six six
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Speaker 1: one UM as a result of this investigation too, we
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Speaker 1: would also like to thank other those other agencies that
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Speaker 1: have been assisting us over the past few days. Those
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Speaker 1: are the FBI, KPI, the District Attorney's office and it
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Speaker 1: says Atlantic County Sheriff's Office. So I let that at
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Speaker 1: this point, yesday, that is the stepmother and he laughs
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Speaker 1: it is twenty six year old fee the endangering the child?
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Speaker 1: Would that be endangering Lucas? That there are two children,
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Speaker 1: voters to separate councils, separates two separate councifer would one
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Speaker 1: of the Lucas one of those children is Lucas? Yes,
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Speaker 1: we know what the child is involve me one for child?
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Speaker 1: Is that her her daughter ah um going to them?
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Speaker 1: Do you consider at this point that his disappearance is
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Speaker 1: likely going to be a homicide this point in time,
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Speaker 1: we hope not. We hope that we are able to
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Speaker 1: find Lucas and that he is alive and no w
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Speaker 1: are you guys searching that? Uh this investigation will can
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Speaker 1: team on. As far as specific locations, there's various locations.
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Speaker 1: M I won't make any specific attentions. Can you elaborate
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Speaker 1: on the nature of endangering the child like was that
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Speaker 1: leaving a child alone or the nature of it? I
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Speaker 1: won't get into the investigation charges. When was she arrested
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Speaker 1: to arresting bookshet do you one more question? What information?
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Speaker 1: And I guess when you got to give that afformation
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Speaker 1: that turned into it from investigation, this has been a
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Speaker 1: result of as I mentioned, we started six fifteen on
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Speaker 1: this three days ago prey still and uh so as
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Speaker 1: a result of all the interviews and throughout the investigation
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Speaker 1: stuff and talking with people, evidence that was collected and
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Speaker 1: things as when we turn it into different instations. Have
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Speaker 1: you guys been able to verify her account of what
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Speaker 1: happened in terms of her being the last person to
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Speaker 1: see him again, that's all far of the investigation. I
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Speaker 1: don't want to get into details of it, okay, and
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Speaker 1: so I will discuss that corner. There could be more
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Speaker 1: charneys there is possibility of charges Crept. Yeah, she's she's
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Speaker 1: behind bars on this, but still no Lucas. Listen now
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Speaker 1: to Lucas's aunt, Sally rest Mussen, as she speaks to
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Speaker 1: K A K E t V. You know, I could
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Speaker 1: feel helpless all these stories I've been hearing for months
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Speaker 1: about him possibly being abused. Today investigated and had a
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Speaker 1: frantic interview and all that kind of stuff and sent them.
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Speaker 1: I guess the police didn't think there was enough evidence.
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Speaker 1: When I first found out he was missing, I um
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Speaker 1: was suspicious and then worried. What is so heartbreaking about that?
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Speaker 1: Lee Egan, investigative reporter on Crime online dot Com. Everybody knew.
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Speaker 1: Everybody knew he's getting beaten at home where they cover
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Speaker 1: up the bad bruises with temporary tattoos, but yet he's
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Speaker 1: still in the Homely, I don't know understand it. I
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Speaker 1: don't either. I don't mean family members reported it. Family
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Speaker 1: members could affronted Jonathan and his father and Emaly, and
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Speaker 1: allegedly Jonathan stopped talking to his family after they accused
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Speaker 1: Emily of abusing Luke if he cut them on social media,
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Speaker 1: he stopped taking their call. Oh wait a minute, are
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Speaker 1: you talking about the dad, the bio dad. Yes, Ashley,
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Speaker 1: help me. I've never seen a case in court that
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Speaker 1: I prosecuted where one partner is charged with abusingly child
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Speaker 1: and the other one they stand by the partner and
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Speaker 1: not the child. What is that? It is so common
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Speaker 1: in child welfare? As a judge, I see it all
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Speaker 1: the time. And it's even weirder to me that generally
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Speaker 1: it's not a husband standing by a wife or vice versa.
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Speaker 1: It's always a boyfriend a girlfriend. It's It's fascinating, isn't it.
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Speaker 1: I don't know the reason, but it happens all the time. Well,
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Speaker 1: take a listen to this. Kim Martin joining me from
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Speaker 1: Missing Pieces Network, Ashley Wolcott juvenile judge, found a child
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Speaker 1: Crime watch dot com and Lee Egan Crime Online. Listen
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Speaker 1: to Emily Glass and court just in court demanding her
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Speaker 1: bond be lowered. Listen to this. In this case, this
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Speaker 1: bond reflects crimes that are not charged in the complaint.
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Speaker 1: The severity of the alleged crime committed, I would compared
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Speaker 1: to the bond itself is a huge exaggerated difference in
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Speaker 1: what any other similar situated definite would re seene. Additionally,
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Speaker 1: She's been in custody since February. This crime carries a
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Speaker 1: maximum sentence of twelve months and maximum find nowhere near
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Speaker 1: to fifty the possible punishment and law by law does
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Speaker 1: not support such a high bond amount. Emily is from
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Speaker 1: this area, She resides in this area, all of her
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Speaker 1: family lives in this area. Per sinct case is in
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Speaker 1: this count She's not applied risk. With all matters being considered,
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Speaker 1: the court believes that in this particular case, under these
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Speaker 1: facts and circumstances, with that ongoing investigation occurring with which
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Speaker 1: involves a minor child, that case in itself and an uninvestigation,
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Speaker 1: makes Miss Glass a flight risk in order to respond
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Speaker 1: and answer to these charges in this case. And so
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Speaker 1: with all that in mind and all that under consideration,
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Speaker 1: the Court believes that the bond in this case is
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Speaker 1: appropriately said and we'll deny Emotion and Martin with missing
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Speaker 1: Pieces Network looking for answers. Kim the stepmother, the living girlfriend,
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Speaker 1: is behind bars trying desperately to get a bond lowered.
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Speaker 1: She's behind bars for the endangerment of her own daughter.
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Speaker 1: That's what she's behind bars for. Um. What about the
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Speaker 1: bio dad, what's his state of mind. Well this, I
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Speaker 1: think it's interesting. Um. I talked to Jonathan yesterday before
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Speaker 1: he went to court, and this just tells me how
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Speaker 1: much manipulation by Emily he is and how much in
25:14
Speaker 1: denial he is. When we were talking about it, he said,
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Speaker 1: I can't go to jail. I'm the only provider for
25:20
Speaker 1: my family. And that's when it quite honestly occurred to
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Speaker 1: me that he does not realize the magnitude of what's
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Speaker 1: going on. He's not going to go home to a family.
25:31
Speaker 1: He's lost his youngest daughter, he's lost Lucas, and I
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Speaker 1: don't know if in his mind he is thinking Emily
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Speaker 1: is the only thing he has left, because he's you know,
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Speaker 1: he's already estranged from the rest of his family because
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Speaker 1: of her. You know, he just he's in denial. Kim Martin,
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Speaker 1: I hope you're sitting down listen to this. Nancy Emily
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Speaker 1: Glass spoke exclusively from jail to fact Finder twelve investigator
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Speaker 1: Devon fast Finder Eric. Obviously a lot of rumors going on.
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Speaker 1: There's obviously a lot of rumors going on, a lot
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Speaker 1: of things that people are saying about your step son, Lucas.
26:07
Speaker 1: Just curious if there's anything that you want to say
26:09
Speaker 1: about that situation, yes, um, and that's past. You know,
26:16
Speaker 1: there's good times. You know, you a boy of playing
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Speaker 1: with older brothers and his cousins. Um, and he has
26:28
Speaker 1: asked from fall Uh. He's like, you know, I may
26:35
Speaker 1: not have given birth to him that he might baby
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Speaker 1: boys today. I take care of them every day. No. Um,
26:49
Speaker 1: it's very stainful that this is happening and it's time
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Speaker 1: like this right now. Do you have any idea where
26:55
Speaker 1: Lucas might be at this point? You guys, I always
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Speaker 1: played here. But if anyone says no, because me and
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Speaker 1: Dad are worried, sick, you know what, I thank you
27:11
Speaker 1: thinking maybe done what could have happened? You know? Okay,
27:18
Speaker 1: thanks brothers. He's so close now, Emily, I hope you understand.
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Speaker 1: I do have to ask you because of you know,
27:29
Speaker 1: the arrest and because of a lot of rumors, did
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Speaker 1: you hurt Lucas? I would never hurt because there's there's
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Speaker 1: a huge there's a huge history between the family from
27:43
Speaker 1: New Mexico, and by all the accusations, I'm storyous fly
27:49
Speaker 1: when he had got hurt and in the recruises, he
27:52
Speaker 1: wasn't under my hair um because I would send him
27:56
Speaker 1: off with my cousins and there's horderable were there. And
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Speaker 1: he's a very little small boy and you can get
28:05
Speaker 1: hurt easily. And when he's playing with older boys who
28:08
Speaker 1: were like ten years old. Even though you're have to
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Speaker 1: tell him he careful, we have to tell all the time.
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Speaker 1: You know he's careful. So you're saying that all of
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Speaker 1: those bruises and those things from the pictures and the
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Speaker 1: accusations are all from him just being a little boy
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Speaker 1: and playing with other boys. Absolutely, we are kinds where
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Speaker 1: him and my older boys with the look around their
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Speaker 1: house and they wouldn't even get ripper, you know, normal boy.
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Speaker 1: Is there anything that you would want to say to
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Speaker 1: and fifty people are at an Oak Park location remembering
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Speaker 1: a young man in the prime of his life life
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Speaker 1: commits suicide? Behind bars, an Oak Park main dies after
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Speaker 1: an apparent mix up in a Chicago jail. Joining me
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Speaker 1: right now on the story, Radar online dot COM's investigative
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Speaker 1: reporter Alexis tress check. Alexis, this sounds very hard to believe.
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Speaker 1: A mix up behind bars and then suddenly, healthy young
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Speaker 1: man commits suicide. You know what, Hold on listen, Alexis.
31:35
Speaker 1: This is his daughter for your old Savannah singing to him.
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Speaker 1: Happy birthday, ju you, Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday,
31:49
Speaker 1: dear daddy, Happy day dude. Alexis, you and I both
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Speaker 1: have children, and the thought that his daughter, through some
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Speaker 1: apparent mix up and an alleged suicide behind bars, leaves
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Speaker 1: her without a father. To just start at the beginning, Alexis,
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Speaker 1: what happened? Tyler Lumar is his name, four years old,
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Speaker 1: wonderful man of the community. Everybody loved him. He gets
32:17
Speaker 1: arrested by the police. This is where the police the
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Speaker 1: versions are not mixing up. Apparently, they say that there
32:24
Speaker 1: was an outstanding warrant. He owed just twenty five dollars
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Speaker 1: for ann outstanding warrant and it was four days late,
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Speaker 1: so they arrested him put him in jail. He wanted
32:34
Speaker 1: to pay the fifty dollar bail, and apparently what the
32:38
Speaker 1: family is saying is that they were the police refused
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Speaker 1: to let him out, They refused to let him pay
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Speaker 1: the fifty dollar bail, They lock him up, they refused
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Speaker 1: to release him. He calls his family from behind bars,
32:50
Speaker 1: speaks to them once, then they don't hear from him.
32:54
Speaker 1: Days go by, the police are still refusing to release him,
32:57
Speaker 1: and his family says that he tried to commit suicide
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Speaker 1: behind bars. So many of those facts really are not
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Speaker 1: lining up for me. First of all, jails are so overcrowded.
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Speaker 1: If he wanted to pay the fine, why wouldn't they
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Speaker 1: let him out? Is that the a legend mix up?
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Speaker 1: That is what they're saying, Yes, that's the police say
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Speaker 1: that it's a mix up that they didn't know they
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Speaker 1: wanted to pay. The family is saying that they were
33:23
Speaker 1: obviously holding him for no reason, and because it was
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Speaker 1: just fifty dollars, it was a four day late fine,
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Speaker 1: and then he offered he wanted to pay the fifty dollars.
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Speaker 1: He had no criminal record. This was not a long
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Speaker 1: term criminal man. This was somebody who had no criminal
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Speaker 1: record and he was This is that's why they're saying
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Speaker 1: this is this is not right. He should not have
33:42
Speaker 1: been behind bars, and the family says that the police
33:46
Speaker 1: didn't check on him, that they left him for hours
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Speaker 1: and hours and hours behind locked up behind bars for
33:52
Speaker 1: no reason, and that is when he attempted to commit
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Speaker 1: suicide because nobody was watching him, nobody checked on him. Well,
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Speaker 1: the family has now filed a major federal lawsuit alleging
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Speaker 1: that Mr. Lemar was wrongfully detained and also neglected in
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Speaker 1: a jail cell. Police say that Lemar threatened a doctor
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Speaker 1: who refused to refill his cough medicine prescription. Now, he
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Speaker 1: was not charged at the time, but records indicate moments
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Speaker 1: later he was arrested because of a down state warrant
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Speaker 1: over an overdue twenty five dollar payment in a misdemeanor
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Speaker 1: traffic case. So one piece of the puzzle that I'm
34:35
Speaker 1: missing is police say he threatened a doctor who refused
34:40
Speaker 1: to refill his cough medicine prescription. That's bad, But even
34:46
Speaker 1: if that's true, still if he wanted to pay the
34:52
Speaker 1: overdue payment of twenty five dollars, I don't understand why
34:55
Speaker 1: he was kept behind bars, And I also don't understand
34:58
Speaker 1: why someone could commit suicide, allegedly commit suicide and nobody noticed.
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Speaker 1: The lawsuit claims he had actually paid the amount, but
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Speaker 1: that the authorities did not withdraw the warrant. The lawsuit
35:14
Speaker 1: is alleging Chicago police put an extradition hold on him
35:19
Speaker 1: and that he would be jailed while Lee County was
35:23
Speaker 1: waiting to pick him up. Now all of this sounds
35:28
Speaker 1: really bizarre to me, So Alexis to rest. Chuck Writer
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Speaker 1: Online explained to me what the allgend mix up is.
35:37
Speaker 1: The mix up is is that he was he had
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Speaker 1: paid the fine. He should not have been in jail
35:43
Speaker 1: for paying the fine. It was done, it was paid,
35:45
Speaker 1: the paperwork just hadn't been completed, and that the other
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Speaker 1: county was trying to get him out. So the police
35:50
Speaker 1: were holding him, but then he offered to pay the bail.
35:53
Speaker 1: He offered to pay. It was fifty dollars. He said,
35:55
Speaker 1: I will pay, let me out. Why are you keeping
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Speaker 1: me in jail for fine that I have already paid
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Speaker 1: and they refused to let him out, kept him locked up.
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Speaker 1: This was something that he something happened with him, and
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Speaker 1: they say that he apparently tried to commit suicide. That
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Speaker 1: that is they're saying, apparently because you don't know what
36:14
Speaker 1: could have happened, right, Well, then he ended up in
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Speaker 1: the hospital. Was he in he tries to commit suicide?
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Speaker 1: Reportedly it was a suicide attempt, and he ends up
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Speaker 1: in a hospital. Why was he in a hospital? And
36:27
Speaker 1: how long did he linger there? Was he in a coma?
36:29
Speaker 1: Alexis he was in a coma and that's all? And
36:33
Speaker 1: how old was he when all this happened. Twenty four
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Speaker 1: years old and no criminal record. It's just so overwhelming.
36:42
Speaker 1: Another problem for me is that apparently an autopsy has
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Speaker 1: been concluded, but the manner of Lumar's death is still
36:52
Speaker 1: under investigation. And that's coming from a spokesperson from the
36:56
Speaker 1: Cook County Medical Examiner's office. Now, I don't understand if
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Speaker 1: the autopsy has been done, why aren't we getting all
37:03
Speaker 1: the results? See that just adds to more belief in
37:06
Speaker 1: some kind of a cover up. And I'm not saying
37:08
Speaker 1: there is a cover up, but when it's not transparent,
37:12
Speaker 1: I mean, I would want answers. If my husband can
37:17
Speaker 1: commit tries to commit suicide behind bars after just like
37:21
Speaker 1: forty seventy two hours behind bars, I find that really
37:26
Speaker 1: hard to believe. I would want answers, Vincent, I don't
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Speaker 1: understand why we're not getting answers. Nancy. I can't understand either.
37:35
Speaker 1: But one thing I want to stress here is, you know,
37:37
Speaker 1: everyone keeps saying he paid the fine, But as former
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Speaker 1: law enforcement, I can tell you it is my duty.
37:42
Speaker 1: If I stopped someone and they have a warrant, is
37:45
Speaker 1: my duty that I must serve that warrant. So even
37:47
Speaker 1: if he paid the fine, I've arrested people with warrants
37:50
Speaker 1: that had likely cleared their fine, but it was my
37:53
Speaker 1: duty to do that. So I think when this goes
37:55
Speaker 1: to court that part of that may be a mute point.
37:58
Speaker 1: But I do question that he was there. He wanted
38:01
Speaker 1: to commit suicide after, you know, just a few hours
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Speaker 1: in jail, especially for something that was so mine or
38:08
Speaker 1: we're not talking that he was going down for a
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Speaker 1: triple murder. It apparently was a fine that he hadn't paid.
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Speaker 1: So I definitely questioned that. And what happened and why,
38:18
Speaker 1: you know, we don't know what happened in the autopsy
38:20
Speaker 1: is not conclusive at this point. Well, I know this,
38:23
Speaker 1: I know his family distraught. This is Tyler Lemar's longtime girlfriend,
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Speaker 1: The mother of his daughter Listen. Tyler arrested for supposedly
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Speaker 1: having a warrant UM and he called me actually to
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Speaker 1: tell me that he was getting arrested, and he asked
38:47
Speaker 1: me to send the receipts showing that he paid everything
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Speaker 1: and didn't have a warrant. The police officer had on
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Speaker 1: the phone and told me it didn't matter that they
38:57
Speaker 1: had to take him in any way. So he took
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Speaker 1: him in. And I'm not sure if they took him
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Speaker 1: specifically to the eleventh District or straight to and cow Hi.
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Speaker 1: The day went on, I assumed like, oh, he was
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Speaker 1: just gonna call me later. Um, I had formed miss
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Speaker 1: calls from him. Later on in the day, I got
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Speaker 1: a phone call and she said, um, is this casey
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Speaker 1: ten Kate? And I said yes, and she goes, I'm
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Speaker 1: calling about Tyler Lamar. He's here at Mount Sinai Hospital. Um,
39:24
Speaker 1: because he tried to hurt himself in jail. I was
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Speaker 1: like what, I was like, are you sure? Like? I
39:33
Speaker 1: was so confused. I went to the hospital and they wouldn't.
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Speaker 1: They didn't really tell us much about what happened. They
39:42
Speaker 1: only told us like he was found unresponsive. There was
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Speaker 1: two police officers at the hospital that wouldn't let us
39:48
Speaker 1: see him, so he was still in police custody. UM,
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Speaker 1: so we tried to see him and they were like, no,
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Speaker 1: we're sorry, you can't go in. And we were like, well,
39:58
Speaker 1: this is like life or death here. We don't know
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Speaker 1: if he's gonna even make it through the night. I
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Speaker 1: called the police department to ask what the charges were.
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Speaker 1: The guy answered had no idea. I was like, okay,
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Speaker 1: well they're not wanting to see him, can you like
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Speaker 1: tell us when we can see him. He was like,
40:13
Speaker 1: hold on, let me check. He gets back on the
40:16
Speaker 1: phone and he goes, oh, all charges are dropped. You
40:19
Speaker 1: guys can see him now. The police officers should be leaving.
40:22
Speaker 1: At this point, he was completely He was in a
40:28
Speaker 1: medically induced comma, so he was completely sedated on a ventilator.
40:32
Speaker 1: He had a tube in his lungs because one of
40:36
Speaker 1: his lungs collapsed, and he didn't become a little bit
40:39
Speaker 1: responsive until about like two or three weeks after getting her.
40:44
Speaker 1: Is when he we started he started like opening his
40:46
Speaker 1: eyes and responding to pain and stuff like that. He
40:50
Speaker 1: still isn't communicating. He communicates us through like we'll ask
40:55
Speaker 1: him like yes, or no questions through blinking. So he
40:58
Speaker 1: does that, um he like well occasionally like squeeze hands
41:03
Speaker 1: and stuff, but there's no like verbal communication from him yet.
41:06
Speaker 1: Back to Alexis to arrest, Chuck Writer Online dot Com
41:09
Speaker 1: investigative reporter. Where does the case stand now? What's happening Alexis? So,
41:15
Speaker 1: his family has filed at federal lawsuit against the law
41:18
Speaker 1: enforcement agency. They're claiming that he was held unlawfully and
41:23
Speaker 1: that he was not checked properly. They're saying that they
41:26
Speaker 1: did not while he was detained, while he was locked up,
41:29
Speaker 1: they weren't checking on him, and that they he had called,
41:32
Speaker 1: so they knew that he was in distress and that
41:34
Speaker 1: that that's not the policy, that you can't just lock
41:36
Speaker 1: somebody up and throw away the key and never see
41:38
Speaker 1: them again. And so that this mistreatment while he was
41:42
Speaker 1: locked in jail is the reason why he is dead.
41:45
Speaker 1: And they have filed a federal lawsuit. They want answers,
41:48
Speaker 1: they want all of the evidence, they want all of
41:50
Speaker 1: the police records because they do not believe that this
41:53
Speaker 1: is something that was run of the mill just to
41:57
Speaker 1: a regular arrest. They believe that he was intentionally harmed
42:00
Speaker 1: by this Police Department. A young man just twenty four
42:02
Speaker 1: years old is dead after an alleged mix up leads
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Speaker 1: to his wrongful arrest his attempted hanging, followed by massive
42:16
Speaker 1: massive brain injuries after the attempted hanging. After less than
42:21
Speaker 1: seventy two hours behind bars on this wrongful detention, reportedly
42:27
Speaker 1: he's in a coma in the last days he dies.
42:32
Speaker 1: A man who tries to hang himself in a Chicago
42:35
Speaker 1: police lock up has led his family to accuse police
42:40
Speaker 1: of wrongfully detaining him, and he has died after a
42:45
Speaker 1: long time suffering in a hospital bed. Tyler Lumar just
42:50
Speaker 1: twenty four years old at the time of his death,
42:53
Speaker 1: massive brain injuries after an alleged suicide attempt, It just
42:58
Speaker 1: doesn't even sound plausible. Now the Cook County Medical Examiner
43:04
Speaker 1: Office confirms he was pronounced dead. The autopsy has been done,
43:10
Speaker 1: but we still don't know all the results of the autopsy.
43:15
Speaker 1: What's the hold up, Alexis to rez Chuck Well, the
43:17
Speaker 1: police are saying that there is an ongoing investigation and
43:20
Speaker 1: that's why they're not releasing the details. So but the
43:23
Speaker 1: family doesn't believe this. They don't buy it, and they
43:25
Speaker 1: want their own answers, and that's why they filed the lawsuit.
43:28
Speaker 1: They had to take this extreme measure because they feel
43:30
Speaker 1: like that there's a cover up by the police. They
43:33
Speaker 1: don't know what happened, but their son is dead and
43:36
Speaker 1: they want answers for his little girl who went to
43:38
Speaker 1: sing to him in the hospital. Back to the back
43:41
Speaker 1: to back to where it all started. Vincent Hill, former
43:46
Speaker 1: cop and now private investigator, Vincent Um, the Chicago police officers,
43:52
Speaker 1: let's just go back to the beginning. Now, listen to
43:55
Speaker 1: what they say. Because Chicago police say they were called
43:58
Speaker 1: to a medical link and it's located over in East
44:02
Speaker 1: Garfield Park neighborhood. Okay, they're called over there. After Lumar
44:08
Speaker 1: reportedly yells and screams and actually threatens a doctor who
44:13
Speaker 1: refuses to refill his cough medicine prescription, and then throws
44:18
Speaker 1: papers all over the floor. And this is the critical part,
44:21
Speaker 1: says he would come back and shoot the place up.
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Speaker 1: All right, that's not good now, this is if this
44:28
Speaker 1: is the right person, that's a problem. Now. Police actually
44:32
Speaker 1: let Lumar go without charges, but then just minutes later,
44:36
Speaker 1: those very same officers arrest him. They stop him as
44:40
Speaker 1: he's walking down the Street and arrest him because Lee
44:43
Speaker 1: County authorities in western Illinois had issue to warrant over
44:48
Speaker 1: an twenty five dollar payment in a misdemeanor traffic case
44:52
Speaker 1: that occurred all the way back in two thousand fifteen. Now,
44:56
Speaker 1: Lumar insisted he had paid the twenty five dollars, but
45:00
Speaker 1: Lee County authorities did not withdraw the warrant. That's what
45:06
Speaker 1: the lawsuit says. Chicago police contact to Lee County and
45:10
Speaker 1: learned it carried a five hundred dollar bond. Now, the
45:14
Speaker 1: way the system actually works is he could have posted
45:18
Speaker 1: the fifty bucks Alexis was talking about and gone home.
45:21
Speaker 1: He had a hundred thirty dollars on him, according to
45:24
Speaker 1: the police report. But we don't know why cops put
45:28
Speaker 1: him on an extradition hold, meaning he had to go
45:32
Speaker 1: to lock up and wait for Lee County to pick
45:35
Speaker 1: him up. That none of that makes sense. And then
45:38
Speaker 1: the next day, while he's still in Cook County jail,
45:43
Speaker 1: a Sheriff's pack officer finds a pack of crack near him,
45:48
Speaker 1: near him, not on him. You know, when they check
45:52
Speaker 1: you in, when you're booked, Vincent, they check you. They
45:55
Speaker 1: would have known if he had crack cocaine on him
45:57
Speaker 1: at the time he went in Behi bars, wouldn't they
45:59
Speaker 1: we not necessarily and Nantwy, I can't tell you how
46:02
Speaker 1: many officers I've worked with personally that have missed things
46:05
Speaker 1: on searches. Yeah, I'm curious as to why they wouldn't
46:08
Speaker 1: have charged him with the threats he made to this doctor.
46:11
Speaker 1: And and I'm more curious as to why this neighboring
46:15
Speaker 1: county would even want to extradite for such a simple warrant.
46:19
Speaker 1: I mean, I've caught people in Nashville that were wanted
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Speaker 1: in California, but based on the nature of the warrant,
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Speaker 1: there was no extradition. So, you know, I really questioned
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Speaker 1: why there was even this question about extradition for something
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Speaker 1: so minor. Uh, you know, I think there were some
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Speaker 1: breakdowns here that that could have prevented what happened. What
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Speaker 1: could have been Here's another wrinkle. Now I'm learning this
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Speaker 1: from his family's lawsuit, so this is coming from their
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Speaker 1: point of view. His lawyer, Eileen O'Connor stated last year,
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Speaker 1: security video shows another inmate removing the cocaine from his
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Speaker 1: shoe and tossing it next to Lumar. That's what she claims.
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Speaker 1: They also claim he had been searched eight times without
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Speaker 1: finding any drugs. Now that is in their lawsuit where
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Speaker 1: they're accusing the Cook County Sheriff's office. I don't know
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Speaker 1: what's true or not. He was then later found hanging
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Speaker 1: by his own shirt. That's what happened. I know that
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Speaker 1: part is true. The rest is a mystery. We're still
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Speaker 1: waiting for the full autopsy report to be released as
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Speaker 1: we continue covering the case. What happened to Mr Lumar?
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to Tyler Lumar's longtime girlfriend, the mother
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Speaker 1: of his daughter. It definitely like changed everyone's lives, but
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Speaker 1: mostly like Savannah's life. She went a good five how
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Speaker 1: many months? Four months? Like I've only seen her dad
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Speaker 1: like a full times. So in a perfect world, yeah,
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Speaker 1: she is better. And I have to just believe that
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Speaker 1: God has planned for us all and there's it's his
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Speaker 1: will and it's the right will. Nancy Grace Crime Stories
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