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Review Mel Gibson on Joe Rogan Part 2 · Gil I Am

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  Speaker 1: Good morning today, I bring you the second part of
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  Speaker 1: the Mel Gibson interview on Joe Rogan Show. Mel Gibson
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  Speaker 1: is a phenomenal guest. He is multifaceted and a tremendous mind.
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  Speaker 1: But I can help but think he's a little off mentally.
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  Speaker 1: But that's neither here nor there. Just listen to this
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  Speaker 1: phenomenal interview.
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  Speaker 2: Got knocked out when in a fight when I was
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  Speaker 2: like twenty, and it was like knockout, like out, and
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  Speaker 2: it was you know, I woke up in the hospital
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  Speaker 2: not good.
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  Speaker 3: No, Well, a few of those will explain a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it does. Yeah, and we didn't know that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: back then.
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  Speaker 3: That's why it always drives me crazy in a movie
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  Speaker 3: when someone gets hit over the head with a gun
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  Speaker 3: and knocked out and then five minutes later they're fighting
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  Speaker 3: and they're fine.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we're shot in my arm, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: kill you. You know. That always makes me laugh too, But
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  Speaker 2: we used to do it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you kind of have to write. Yeah, it's like
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  Speaker 3: part of the whole thing of telling a movie.
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  Speaker 2: You gotta sure, I mean, Michelle, Michelle docker even brains
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  Speaker 2: Mark Wahlberg with a fire extinguisher at one points, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he's back, you know, brains them shoots him. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he's a cockroach. He can't kill him. It takes a
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  Speaker 2: lot more. Well, you'll find out.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but we're you know, people used to think that
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  Speaker 3: concussions are just something you recover from, Like, no big deal,
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  Speaker 3: you got a concussion, take a break for a little while,
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  Speaker 3: you'll be fine.
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  Speaker 2: You might not be fine, No you're not. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: got a concussion at my daughter's wedding. This is really weird. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: So she's getting married, married a great guy. They got
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  Speaker 2: a great family, and a buddy of mine from Australia
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  Speaker 2: comes to the wedding and he goes. He comes up
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  Speaker 2: and I go to hug him, and he ducks down.
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  Speaker 2: And he comes up and he puts his shoulder into
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  Speaker 2: the point of my chin. The guy weighs two forty
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  Speaker 2: and he puts his shoulder into the point of my
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  Speaker 2: chin and knocks me the fuck out. Jesus Christ, and
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  Speaker 2: like for the next four months, I'm messed up. I
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  Speaker 2: have to get like a guy to work cranial sacral,
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  Speaker 2: you know, fix me up stuff like that. Its Australians. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: there you go. Course the Germans wild, Yeah, yeah, wild
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  Speaker 2: prisoner of mothering. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Anyway, so this this story that you want to tell
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  Speaker 3: about good and evil, like, do you have a script
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  Speaker 3: or is it a thing in your head?
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  Speaker 4: What?
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  Speaker 2: What is it? Yeah, it's it's it's the resurrection story.
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  Speaker 2: But it's it's uh, it's not just it's not linear
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  Speaker 2: because you can't really it's hard to understand. So it's
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  Speaker 2: got to be put in a framework where you answer
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  Speaker 2: a few other questions as well, and you have to
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  Speaker 2: juxtapose the event itself against everything else so that it
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  Speaker 2: makes some kind of sense in a bigger picture, which
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  Speaker 2: is a hard thing to do. And it took my
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  Speaker 2: brother and I about and a guy called Randall Wallace
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  Speaker 2: plus my brother and I took us six seven years
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  Speaker 2: to write it.
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  Speaker 3: So are you doing this with historians as well? You're
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  Speaker 3: trying to make it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, historical stuff. Well, I regard I regard
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  Speaker 2: the Gospels as history. It's a verifiable history. Some people say, oh,
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  Speaker 2: it's a fairy tale, he never exists, but he did.
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  Speaker 2: And there are other accounts, verifiable historical accounts outside the
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  Speaker 2: biblical ones that also bear this up that yes, he
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  Speaker 2: did exist. And the other aspect of that is that
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  Speaker 2: the all the evangelists, the apostles who went out there,
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  Speaker 2: every single one of those guys died rather than deny
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  Speaker 2: their belief. And nobody dies for a lie. Nobody. So
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  Speaker 2: that's part of what I'm doing. It's like showing nobody
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  Speaker 2: dies for a lie. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the resurrection is the one that is the most
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  Speaker 3: difficult for people to swallow.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, this is the one that requires the most faith,
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  Speaker 2: the most faith in the most belief. Yeah, resurrection. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: who gets back up three days later after he gets
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  Speaker 2: murdered in public? Who gets back up under his own power?
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  Speaker 2: Buddha didn't do that shit? Right? You know? So you
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  Speaker 2: believe that was a real event? Yeah? I do. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: what brought you to that belief?
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  Speaker 3: Is this something you've always had or is it something
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  Speaker 3: you studied it and you've come to this conclusion because
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  Speaker 3: of the historical accounts?
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  Speaker 2: And yes, I think as a child, you know, one
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  Speaker 2: accepts things on faith because you know, you're raised by
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  Speaker 2: people who are nice to you and they believe it.
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  Speaker 2: And my dad was a pretty smart guy. He was
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  Speaker 2: like mensaw smart, you know, like real smart, Like back
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  Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty eight he won Jeopardy right and then really,
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  Speaker 2: and then they brought all the Jeopardy winners back and
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  Speaker 2: he played all the winners and he beat all of
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  Speaker 2: them too. So he had a mind like a steel trap.
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  Speaker 2: And his memory was practically photographic. My memory's pornogram. It's
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  Speaker 2: like his was like, I don't have that kind of mind, right,
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  Speaker 2: But I'm more like he did math, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: I can't add. But so as a child, you learn
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  Speaker 2: these things and you accept them on faith. And I
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  Speaker 2: still have that faith. But as I got older, I
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  Speaker 2: came to it through intellect and through reading and putting
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  Speaker 2: things together in accounts, and then occurrences like in my
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  Speaker 2: own life, you know. I mean, just recently they've verified
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  Speaker 2: the Shroud of Turin. Have you seen that.
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  Speaker 3: I've been reading about it, and I know that there's
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  Speaker 3: some contention, there's some some discussion and debate about it.
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  Speaker 3: But they used to think that it was only a
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  Speaker 3: couple hundred years old, and now they've they've changed that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they said, no, it's back then.
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  Speaker 3: They also don't understand how it was made, which to
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  Speaker 3: me is very fascinating because it's not paint, it's not
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  Speaker 3: they don't know what caused the image itself, and how
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  Speaker 3: that technology would have even been available.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't a couple thousand years ago. An intense light
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  Speaker 2: i mean atomic to leave almost like a photographic imprint
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  Speaker 2: on a piece of cloth.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's wild. Pull that up, pull the shroud
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  Speaker 3: to turn up. Oh yeah, it's wild to look at
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  Speaker 3: because it's so interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and you can see it that it depicts
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  Speaker 2: a first century Hebrew male because the hairstyle was from
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  Speaker 2: the first century, and a Hebrew hairstyle. That he was
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  Speaker 2: about six feet tall, that he was completely scourged all
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  Speaker 2: over his body. He was crucified. The one on the
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  Speaker 2: left is the one on the right is just like
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  Speaker 2: an artistic rendition. That's the face.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, click on that one, the face, the face.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good enough. Get that large. That's fucking crazy. Yeah. Yeah, scourged,
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  Speaker 2: beaten a crap that the wounds on the thorns, the hands,
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  Speaker 2: the feet, and the scourging and the hairstyle was from
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  Speaker 2: the first century, and the pollens that they found in
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  Speaker 2: the cloth were from that region. Yeah. Also, the weave
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  Speaker 2: was the first century weave that was typical. And another guy,
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  Speaker 2: an archaeologist who I knew, who actually translated the passion
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  Speaker 2: in Aramaic told me that if you look close, you
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  Speaker 2: can see that the image of a Tiberius coin marks
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  Speaker 2: on the eyes. Now, I don't know if that's real
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  Speaker 2: or not. I've never actually checked that, but that there's
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  Speaker 2: images of Tiberius on the coin.
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  Speaker 3: So they would put the coins over the eyes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that would date it, but they have now
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  Speaker 2: verified that it does actually go back to that time period.
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  Speaker 2: For a while, they were testing pieces that had been
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  Speaker 2: repaired in the thirteenth century or right.
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  Speaker 3: You know, what is the latest on that, Jami, can
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  Speaker 3: you see Like.
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  Speaker 4: I was trying to get that, I've two different articles
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  Speaker 4: from within the last six months. Yeah, dismissed the opposite
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  Speaker 4: of course, didn't know which one sounded the most accurate.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's such a crazy thing to even try to verify.
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  Speaker 3: What are you, like, what are you saying. You're saying
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  Speaker 3: that this is really the shroud that Jesus was covered in.
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  Speaker 3: So you're saying Jesus historically absolutely did exist, and we
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  Speaker 3: think that this is the shroud that covered them. That
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  Speaker 3: just that alone people incredulity. People's immediately they're they're they
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  Speaker 3: their hackles raised, like wait a minute, wait a minute,
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  Speaker 3: wait a minute, and they just instead of like looking
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  Speaker 3: at it objectively, they almost always want to look at
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  Speaker 3: it from a point of view of dispute, disproving it immediately,
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  Speaker 3: dismissing it immediately.
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  Speaker 2: But that's you know, that's science, isn't it. You have
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  Speaker 2: to serve you know, you play the devil's advocate. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and that's okay, go for it. You know, do you
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  Speaker 2: are you aware of Graham Hancock? Oh?
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  Speaker 3: No, Graham Hancock is he's a sort of historian that
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  Speaker 3: has a very uh he's got a series on Netflix.
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  Speaker 2: He's a fascinating guy.
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  Speaker 3: And his his career star did because he was investigating
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  Speaker 3: this these accounts in Ethiopia of the Arc of the
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  Speaker 3: Covenant and that they believe the Arc of the Covenant
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  Speaker 3: is in this one church that's protected by all these
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  Speaker 3: monks that wind up getting cataracts and radiation disease and sickness,
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  Speaker 3: and they think that it's because they're protecting this arc
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  Speaker 3: of the Covenant. There's this actual thing that it's an
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  Speaker 3: actual physical thing that's there and if you touch it
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  Speaker 3: you get example.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that even being.
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  Speaker 3: In its presence fucks these people up.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe who knows, man, it's got to be someplace, right,
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  Speaker 2: they buried it, they lost track of it. Yeah, but man,
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  Speaker 2: it used to be and all the stories are if
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  Speaker 2: you even touched it, you fall over, you know, because
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  Speaker 2: it was instructed electrically somehow. Yeah, Like what is that?
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  Speaker 2: What's in there? Yeah? What? Why is it giving people
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  Speaker 2: cancer if they're really protecting it. I think it's the
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  Speaker 2: actual structure of the container. It's in that that is
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  Speaker 2: the problem. That's my thought. I could be wrong, but
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  Speaker 2: I think inside it they have things from like when
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  Speaker 2: Moses was like Mana and you know, stuff like that
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  Speaker 2: that they managed to keep from Like, for example, they
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  Speaker 2: they say that that Gogotha, the place where the crucifixion happened,
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  Speaker 2: it's called Golgotha the place of the skull, because that's
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  Speaker 2: where Adam's head is buried. Really, yes, and that it's
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  Speaker 2: also perhaps the same place, and it tells you it's
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  Speaker 2: kind of in the same area where Abraham almost sacrifices
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  Speaker 2: Isaac ah. So it's interesting. Yeah. And it's uh. And
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  Speaker 2: and the cross when in any artistic depiction at the
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  Speaker 2: foot of the cross, underneath it is the skull representing
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  Speaker 2: the skull of Adam. Huh. So it's interesting. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: there it is. Yeah, that's the skull of Adam. Huh yep, wow,
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  Speaker 2: place of the skull memory myth in the chapel of Adam?
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  Speaker 2: What did you find on the shroud of touring Jamie?
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  Speaker 4: Both those articles, J just asked like one person, like
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  Speaker 4: one researcher thought it was another researcher based off of
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  Speaker 4: their research, that it wasn't.
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  Speaker 2: Can you put it to the one that thought it was?
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  Speaker 4: So the one who thought it was is like a.
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  Speaker 2: Does regular, a nuclear researcher Jesus one.
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  Speaker 4: Was like a AI artist from Brazil. So I don't
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  Speaker 4: know who has the most so.
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  Speaker 3: It says study publishing the journal Heritage. The authors conducted
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  Speaker 3: dating work on a sample from the shroud, coming to
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  Speaker 3: the conclusion that it may be a two thousand year
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  Speaker 3: old relic. The shroud was long been the subject of
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  Speaker 3: intense scrutiny features a faint image of a man some
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  Speaker 3: believes the body of Jesus miraculously imprinted onto the cloth.
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  Speaker 3: While the latest study does not discuss the question whether
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  Speaker 3: or not the artifact was indeed jesus'i burial shroud specifically,
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  Speaker 3: the authors did find its age is roughly consistent with
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  Speaker 3: his time.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I think isn't the Smithsonian guy oh
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  Speaker 2: for it? I don't know, maybe that's him, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, there's foreign against there's always been, yeah, always
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  Speaker 2: just but the but the image is like, yeah, it's
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  Speaker 2: pretty crazy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, whatever it is is pretty crazy. And the fact
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  Speaker 3: that they don't know how they made it is also
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  Speaker 3: pretty crazy. Yeah, it's not a painting, no, not not
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  Speaker 3: exactly sure how it even came about.
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  Speaker 2: It had to have been some kind of intense light. Well,
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  Speaker 2: the thought was that even trying to replicate something like
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  Speaker 2: that today this would be incredibly difficult to do. Sure,
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  Speaker 2: it's like an X ray vision. Yeah, it's like an
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  Speaker 2: X ray. That's what you only see. You really see
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  Speaker 2: it in the negative only.
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  Speaker 3: Right, right, it's like a negative Yeah, yeah, hey, I
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  Speaker 3: buy it.
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  Speaker 2: But but that's not the only reason I buy it.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think, you know, there's other logical reasons
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  Speaker 2: why I why I believe So look, what are those
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  Speaker 2: oh okay, stuff that happens in your own life, the
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  Speaker 2: results you get from actually appealing to a power greater
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  Speaker 2: than yourself, you know, And I mean I don't think
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  Speaker 2: it's any secret I am flawed in the fact that
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  Speaker 2: I am by nature born and alcoholic. Right, I did drugs,
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  Speaker 2: I did alcohol, so and there was nothing that could
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  Speaker 2: stop me from doing that. Nothing. So I was really
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  Speaker 2: kind of on you're on a downhill run. So I
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  Speaker 2: regard the fact that I was able to appeal to
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  Speaker 2: something greater than myself to help me and actually stop
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  Speaker 2: me doing that. I think that's a miracle. Hm. It
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  Speaker 2: is for me, it is and for many you know.
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  Speaker 3: So, well, that is the thing about AA, right, that's
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  Speaker 3: part of the whole processes appealing to a higher power.
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  Speaker 2: Sure it's a spiritual program, yeah, because you're suffering your
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  Speaker 2: spiritual malady, you know. Yeah, So it's a spiritual cure.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the essence I think of why it works,
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  Speaker 2: because you can't explain it otherwise. I mean, it's well,
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  Speaker 2: you kind of can. But I think what you're being
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  Speaker 2: asked to do is to think about other people and
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  Speaker 2: other things more than yourself because it's kind of an
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  Speaker 2: ego disease. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So if you that is the problem with addiction, right,
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  Speaker 3: it's very narcissistic, very You're constantly thinking about yourself and
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  Speaker 3: what you need. I need a drink, I need a bump,
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  Speaker 3: I need a lot, you know, I need something.
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  Speaker 2: Sure I need or no matter what you need, it's
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  Speaker 2: never going to be enough, right, right, So you actually
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  Speaker 2: have to appeal to something outside that you consider bigger
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  Speaker 2: and better than yourself, which instantly kind of pushes you
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  Speaker 2: more in the direction of humility because because you're not
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  Speaker 2: the center of the universe anymore, right, and that you
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  Speaker 2: can't do it. And the first step in any of
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  Speaker 2: that sort of stuff is accepting that you are powerless
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  Speaker 2: over it. That's the first. That's the first. That's the
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  Speaker 2: most powerful step you can do, is that you're powerless.
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  Speaker 2: When you realize that, you're like, okay, yeah, there's fuck
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  Speaker 2: all I can do about this. I have to appeal
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  Speaker 2: to something better than me, and that to me is
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  Speaker 2: a miracle. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, it's a very uniquely human thing, the ability
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  Speaker 3: to course correct and also just the concept of addiction
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  Speaker 3: in the first place. Sure, you know, it's a very
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  Speaker 3: uniquely human thing that we all know. There's dark roads
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  Speaker 3: or mind can go down, and then we wonder, like,
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  Speaker 3: what is the purpose of these dark thoughts? What is
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  Speaker 3: the purpose of this destructive behavior that we're all prone
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  Speaker 3: to In some way, shape or form.
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  Speaker 2: What is the purpose of everything? I mean, like, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: why am I here? What's the meaning of this? Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking for purpose? And what is it we're here for?
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  Speaker 2: I think, you know, we have to leave some stuff,
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  Speaker 2: but you have to leave some good stuff. You can
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  Speaker 2: leave plenty of bad stuff, you know. And it's uh
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  Speaker 2: and we're all prone that way. I often think about,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the human race as a whole. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you think about guys like you know, Stalin or Hitler
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  Speaker 2: and Chairman maw Or and I'm I'm pretty sure I'm
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  Speaker 2: not going to be sharing a cell in the afterlife
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  Speaker 2: with those guys. You know. I don't know where I'll
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  Speaker 2: be on the ladder, but.
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  Speaker 3: Depends on how you end up, right, Well, that's it, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it really is.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, you know, and we're allowed to make mistakes,
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  Speaker 2: and we do. We are so flawed and I am
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  Speaker 2: I'm more flawed than anyone, you know. But it's something
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  Speaker 2: that you I think, and it's pretty safe to say,
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  Speaker 2: I'm in the third act. Now you're an act, right,
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  Speaker 2: because then tight, But I'm like, I'm in the third act, man,
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  Speaker 2: So you got you have to think about the other side.
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  Speaker 2: You have to think about what comes next. Is there
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  Speaker 2: a next? Yes, there is, I believe there is, and
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  Speaker 2: I think it's depends on how you live now and uh.
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  Speaker 2: And the beauty of believing is that even for your transgressions,
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  Speaker 2: you can be forgiven and you can be redeemed. But
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  Speaker 2: it's all up here, right, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Is the true acceptance and understanding of what you've done
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  Speaker 3: and what you should do.
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  Speaker 2: You have to look at yourself honestly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, honestly.
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  Speaker 2: You have to be able to accuse yourself and and
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  Speaker 2: understand that there is this. It's a great deal of mercy.
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  Speaker 2: And in the fact that I believe that God sent
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  Speaker 2: his son down to tell us, Okay, I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: ransom you people from your fallen nature, and I'll give
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  Speaker 2: you a roadmap on how to do it. And and
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  Speaker 2: people do it. There's even people that do it that
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  Speaker 2: I have never even heard of it, you know, some
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: guy in the jungle someplace. I'm sure, right, you know,
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: because the Creator is above the law. It's an interesting
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: fact to note that the first canonized saint you know who,
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: it was, the first ever confirmed canonization as a saint,
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: it was dismiss you know, who dismiss was No, he
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: was hanging. He was the thief on the cross next
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: to Jesus, and he says to it, you're gonna be
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: okay this day, you'll be with me. I'm baptized criminal
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: all that stuff. So wow, the lawmaker is above the law.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: So there's a lot of mercy.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: What about people that never experience Christianity? What about the
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: contacted people?
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: That's right, That's what I'm saying. Sometime in the jungle. Yeah,
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: it's been known that it's called invincible ignorance because they
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: don't know what the truth is. You know, it's possible
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: that they can be saved as well. You know. So
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: what are your thoughts on evolution? Mm hm wow, eh,
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: the Darwin thing. Yeah, I don't really go for it. No, Yeah,
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: I say dinosaurs, you know what did they turn into?
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, things became extinct at some point. I don't
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: think I was some kind of like, you know, legless
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: thing that crawled out of the ocean. I don't think
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: I came from that. I think I was created.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: Do you think other things were legless things that came
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: out of the ocean. Do you think like multi celled
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: organisms came out of single celled organisms, and there was
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: some sort of a natural selection and random mutation and
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: it led to everything else.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: But us, Sure, look a gain of function, right, you
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: can like you can make stuff happen, and I'm sure
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: stuff did happen. But I think it's all part of creation.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: I think it's all ordered. I think anyone left anything
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: left to itself without some kind of intelligence behind it
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: will devolve into chaos. And so that there has to
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: be some big intelligence that orchestrates everything. Not that we
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: don't have chaos in the world, but I think that's
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: our own making.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: But what do you think separates us from all the
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: other creatures?
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Wow? I think we have a soul. We're created with
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: a soul. And you know, I went to a restaurant
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: last night. It was a steakhouse in Austin, and it
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: was interesting because all the pictures on the wall are
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: pictures of animals that look resentful, like cows and steers
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: staring at you looking ankryly as you rip into a steak.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: But I just believe we are higher than those creatures
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: because we have a soul, We have an intellect above theirs,
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: and we aspire to hire things. We have aspirations, right,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: And you know, this is part of why people drink
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: and smoke and do dope and all this kind of
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: stuff is because they're looking for a spiritual experience. They're
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: looking for like they actually call alcohol spirits. I mean,
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: it's they're looking for something higher. And I think we
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: all have that yearning in that we want to be happy,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: and we want to be at peace, and we want
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: everything to be hunky dories. So there's this yearning in
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: building all of us for that to aspire to something greater.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: And that's why we're inspired by stories, I think, because
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: it's like, you know, hero stories, you know, Joseph Campbell's stuff,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: the Hero of one Thousand Faces and stuff. It's like
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: these stories inspire us. I met. I was at a
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: party the other day in in in Tennessee, and you think, Tennessee,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: what's going to happen there? It's going to be squeal
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: like a pig. No, man, there's some people in Tennessee, sure,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: but like amazing people. And I found myself in a
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: conversation with four tier one dudes, all of who did
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: something extraordinary, and it was that Tom Slatter's a guy
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: who was the Blackhawk down guy. There was Sean Ryan,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: who's he's got You probably heard of this guy, yeah right.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: There was a guy called Christian Craighead. You know who
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: that guy is. And then there was Eddie. They wrote
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: a book about him, teller, Yeah, Eddie Gallagher. I was
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: talking of four of these guys at the same time,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: and I didn't know who to who do you even
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: talk to? But their stories are amazing, especially and the
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: one guy I ended up talking to was an SAS guy,
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: British Sas and he just looks like a bank teller,
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: but he did something extraordinary and incredibly brave and and
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: with no regard for himself, only regard for other people,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: and it was like whoa. You hear these stories and
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: it's sort of just like it pumps you up. You think,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: could I do that? Could I be that person? I
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: don't know if I could. I don't in a way,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: I don't even want to ever find out, because you
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: have to be in an extreme situation. But hearing about
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: other people and how they behave in situations that are
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: difficult is very inspiring. So you know, it's a Yeah,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: there's so many of those stories about and through history.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: Well that's another unique thing about human beings is that
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: we learn from others in a very extraordinary way. And
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: that's one of the reasons why we like stories, why
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: we like myths and fables, because there's lessons you can
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: apply to your own life without having to actually go
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: through those things.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's right. I made a film about that guy,
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Desmond Das. You know, I don't know if you saw.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: It was like Hacksaw Riche It was this film, and
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: it was about a medic who figured so much killing
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: going on, He's going to go into the battlefield and
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: save lives, and he didn't have a weapon, and he
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: was in the worst place on earth. And he got
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: a Congressional Medal of Honor because he kept going in
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: to the worst place possible and dragging wounded guys out
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: with no regard for himself. I mean, who does that
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: kind of stuff right and over and over again. He
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: didn't just do it once, he did it hundreds of times.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: He finally got, you know, hit with shrapnel and a
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: bunch of other stuff, but he lived to be an
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: old man. But wow, and it was just pure faith,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: you know. So you know those guys that those kinds
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: of stories inspire the hell out of me anyway.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: So when back to this idea of evolution, So do
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: you believe that evolution exists in animals? But do you
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: think there's some sort of a natural selection process or
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: do you think that it is all intelligent design?
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Well, I think everything was created right, and maybe things
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: do move on and adapt and change through time, but
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: I think that that's a function of an intelligence also.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: And I mean, look at the fires in La you know,
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, what's that gonna do. It's gonna give me
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: a new house, you know, maybe maybe and or a
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: new place to live. Yeah, something. Yeah, I'm just not
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: totally convinced. I feel it. I'm like, and I can't
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: really I'm sorry. I can't intellectually tell you why I
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: don't believe an evolution, but I don't. It's just a feeling.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: I don't think I was some ape or I don't
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: think my ancestors were. I think they had to be
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: pretty smart to survive.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: So what do you think all these pre human hominids
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: are that they keep discovering?
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Like, would they tell me what a pre human hominy like.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: Australia Pithet is or some of the other human like
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: creatures that never made it like Dennis Ovan's neand dolls.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, stuff like that. Okay, Well, they've got something
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: called Zinganthropis you remember him, No Zinganthropist man, and he
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: was like, you looked kind of like this, but he
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: was like they they looked at it and they did
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: some core samples on it, and it was put out
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: there by people advocating evolution, and they discovered that it
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: was a human skull attached to the jaw of an ape.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Oh I do remember.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: So it was a hop Yeah, there's been some hoaxes. Yeah, yeah,
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: but there's also been real stuff. Really yeah, you don't
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: think so.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Maybe, well, you know, like I don't know, tell me.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: Well, what was that one that we looked at the
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: other day that was one of the first pre humans
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: that buried their their they're young or buried they're dead.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: Rather it was a homoe nanaldy, what was it?
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: You remember that.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: I can't remember how to say it, but the lady, Yeah,
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: pre human hominid, very small creature that buried they're young
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: or buried they're dead, rather keep saying bird, they're young,
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: they buried, they're dead. You know, Australia pithecus. There's a
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: bunch of different you know, the Lucy skeleton. There's a
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: bunch of different pre human hominids.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe they were monkeys. I don't know.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well there was. They're similar to us, just not
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: where we are. They're on the road to becoming what
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: it means to be a human being.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. What do you think those are?
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know. They could be animals or they could
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: be like look at today. I mean, you can get
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: some mosquito can bite you, and your kid can be
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: born with a malformed skull or something. It's like, you
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: know they have those, you know.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but this is like a like a genetic thing
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: like they've done, They've mapped the genome of these creatures.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: They're different. Well, I don't know how to explain those, Joe,
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know. But you do think that human beings
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: were created? I do. When do you think that happened? When? Probably?
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: And not that long ago? Really? No, not really? Like
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: what do you mean by not that long ago? Probably
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: only about eight thousand years ago? Really? Yeah?
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: So what do you think things like go Beckley tape
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: are When they find these constructions that are dated carbon
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: dated to eleven thousand plus years old.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: I question carbon dating really.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes there's a lot simpler.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, yeah, well there's a lot of money in
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: in you know, claims and real water water's there.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well carbon dating seems to be pretty rock solid studies. Yeah,
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: I mean science, the science behind radiocarbon dating and detecting
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: carbon isotopes. It's like that's pretty yeah, pretty legit.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, I can't square it. Yeah, well
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: you don't have to, and I don't have to. And
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: what difference is are going to make to me?
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing. It's it doesn't make a difference
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: in terms of your experience in this life on Earth.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: No, Like you you.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: Can have your faith and your ideas and live a
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: great life from beginning to end, and it might not
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: suit you to really ponder evolution and all the puzzles
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: and problems.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: It doesn't. Yeah. Yeah, And I just like, you know,
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: I look at all sorts of stuff like that, like
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: you know, the you know, the icebergs melting and the
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: water overflowing. It's not ever having a glass full of
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: ice and watched it melt. Did you ever see the
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: glass flow over?
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: No?
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: It takes a bless room, you know, yeah.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: You know, the hot greenhouse whatever.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: Well, there's a lot of horseshit that's involved in climate change,
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: for sure. I've studied that, and I've had many discussions
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: over the last four years. The problem with anything is
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: that once a narrative gets established, and then there's a
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: profit attached to the solution.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: To that narrative.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: Yes, and that's green energy and green energy bills, and
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: there's businesses that are wrapped around there. And then there's
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: also this fear that they love to pump into people
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: about climate change that you know, they terrify the shit
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: out of young people that we're going to destroy the
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: world and climate change, you must act now, and then
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: you become beholden to the political party that it's espousing
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: these ideas, and then your enemy is the deniers of
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: this science, even though you don't even understand the science.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and did you see the.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: Washington Post article that they published recently about temperature change
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: on Earth.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Well, there's a down.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: Like what they've realized is over the last you know,
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: x amount of thousands of years, that the temperature on
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: Earth is plummeting and it's dropping. And then when they
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: look at the dips, this is the most important thing
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: for anybody that's really freaked out about climate change. There's
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: no static temperature of Earth ever. There's never been a
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: time where it maintains a temperature until human beings came
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: along and fucked it all up. That is just not real.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: Before human beings ever existed, if you trust these core samples,
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: there's been a giant rise and fall and this constant dip.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: There it is.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: Scientists have captured the Earth's climate over the last four
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: and eighty five million years. Here's a surprising place we
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: stand now. Look at the dip at the end. Whoa,
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: that's where we are. That's reality. And then if you
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: look at the course of history, you look at the
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: rise and fall like it's never a straight line way
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: before human beings ever existed, if you believe these silly people,
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: way before human beings have ever existed, there's always this
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: rise and fall. And this idea that the whole thing
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: is based on carbon emissions from human beings is total bullshit.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: It's not true. We might be having an effect, but
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: we're having a small effect, a very small effect, and
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: the other things are completely outside of our control, including
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: solar activity, the distance between the Earth, and the sun.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of factors. There's there's all
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: sorts of factors involving natural activities like volcanic emissions, you know,
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: which devastate you know, the entire human race was knocked
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: down to a few thousand people at one point in
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: time because the Toba volcano.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yes, yeah, no light.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no light for years. Good luck, good luck. And
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: the people that survive are fucking barbarians, the most savage,
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: and then they takes a long time before they can
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: figure out civilization again.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: After that, it's like dinosaurs, they just stop. So what
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: did they evolve into? Chickens? I guess birds, raptors.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: Well, they think a lot of dinosaurs had feathers. Now, yeah,
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: that's the newest thing. Maybe you don't think so, I
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: don't know.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: I need to take a pee. We'll take a break,
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: take a pitle. It's a nice picture.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: It's that's got to be a moment in your head
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: where you're just like, every now and then, just go fuck.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: It is funny. Yeah, but it was a good picture.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: The only thing that was going through my head was Okay,
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: I can't I just can't look bad. And I didn't
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: have anything, no grooming implements, So I just tried tried
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: my best to not look too bad there.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: You Yeah, you talk about humility, like, what gives you
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: more humility than being publicly humiliated?
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Sure? Public humiliation. And you know what most for most people,
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: it is their number one fear, sure is public humiliation.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, public speaking. And because of that, public
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: humiliation sure, yeah happens all the time because we're so
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: concerned about other people's opinions of us, I guess, yeah, because.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: We own opinions about it. Well, it's been through a lot,
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: well so of you. I mean I remember, you know,
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: I think they were giving you a grilling once for
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: taking horse worm medicine. Yeah. Funny, which, yeah, funny, how
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: that works? Funny? How that works? Funny? How funny? How
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: that does work? Yeah.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: What's really funny is how that was that a part
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: of the demise of mainstream media because people were like, well,
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: this is crazy, this doesn't make it, are you guys
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: really the news like what is this?
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Yes, I know it seemed to be they seem to
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: be complicit with a and you know, you think, well
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: why why? Because of money?
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: I think this is what we're talking about before that
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: there is good and evil, and sometimes it manifests itself
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: in a very clear and obvious way.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: And I think that's what that was.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: That was evil, that was putting people's lives second and
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: putting money first.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know why Fauci's still walking around. How
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: is that guy still walking around?
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: If just people understand the history of the AIDS crisis
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: and what that guy back then?
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: Did you read that book? Yeah, yeah, I read that book.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: I listened to it. Yeah, I drove up to San
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: Francisco and I listened to it, and I had road rage,
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: and it was like, whoa, how is he still there?
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: How is first of all people that don't believe it.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: How come RFK Junior didn't get sued?
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, how come.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: There's no lawsuits? If there was lies, there would be lawsuits.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: He would be publicly humiliated. Instead, they kept that book
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: off bestseller lists. That book sold millions of copies. I
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: know they hit it. That's when you find out that
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: best seller lists are actually curated.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: It's not really best seller. It's censored. It's all yeah,
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: everything's censored.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: But that book is an accurate depiction of what Anthony
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: Fauci did. During the AIDS crisis, which probably was an
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: AZT crisis and was an AIDS crisis.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: I mean it's it's fairly incontrovertible now that he was
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: fooling with gain and function, you know, why is he
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: still around right or at least free right right? And
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: no repercussions? Yeah? Whatever happened to that story where you know,
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: the wombat and the weasel got together and they're horsing
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: around and a bat pissed on with the golden shower,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: you know, and all of a sudden it was in
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: a wet market. Yeah, very wet market.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: You got, you know, complete total horseshit, and totally the
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: scientists that were supposed to Trusty pitching that horseshit.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: It was like the age thing, some green monkey bit
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: of quantest Stewart on the ass. Then he went around
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: the world and got everybody sick, and it was like,
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: you know, ridiculous.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: If you want to go through the AIDS rabbit hole,
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: look up a guy named Peter Dusburg.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, yes, I know, I read that book. Yeah, that
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: is crazy. He's telling the truth.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: This is the fucking COVID crisis times a thousand. I
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: had him on the podcast way back in the day.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: It was one of the earlier guests that I had.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: It was like way back in like twenty ten, and
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: it was one of the first times I got openly
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: attacked for someone being on the podcast. There was like,
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: blood is on your hands. I'm like, first of all,
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: no it's not. It's twenty ten who's dying of AIDS
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: zero people, So stop, it's not blood's on your hand. Like,
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: if this guy's correct, he's a tenured professor at the
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: University of California, Berkeley who is like his work on
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: cancer is you know, everybody thinks it's groundbreaking work, brilliant doctor.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: But he was a heretic.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: He was a guy who stood outside of Fauci's the narrative,
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: doctrine and the narrative. And he said, I don't believe
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: that HIV is what's causing this when all these people
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: that are having these immune systems are all heavy drug users.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: He's like, I think this is a disease of a
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: decimation of the immune system due to heavy drug use.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: And then on top of that, you're prescribing this chemical,
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: this AZT that kills people. Yeah, they stopped using it
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: for chemotherapy because he was killing them quicker than cancer was.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: I was in the Sydney Theater Company in the nineties
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: and I was going to a funeral once a month
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: of friends. They were all dying. It's crazy in the
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: eighties and.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: Nineties, and they were all getting easy Yeah.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Maybe, yeah, I don't know.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: Well, the ones that were getting az T, even the
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: ones that were asymptomatic, like Magic Johnson, they're giving Magic
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: Johnson azy T. You had to stop taking it, yeah,
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: because he was making him sick, it was killing him.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. I read it and like it's even with
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Rfk's book, and he's an amazing guy. People say, oh,
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: he's kooky, he's crazy. He's not crazy. He's not. He's
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: one of the most erudite, you know, he's They say
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: he's an anti vaxxer. He's not. He's not. He's like,
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: he's he's a very shrewd. He's never lost a case.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: I don't think when he brings something to suit, I
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: don't think he's ever been defeated. But that book is
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: not just him, it's him in about a thousand highly
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: qualified scientists and physicians commenting on the whole situation. So
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: when you read it. It's it's a pretty convincing document.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: And you're right, nobody sued him for it. Yeah, you know,
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: it's pretty scary.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: Well not nor only did they not as sue him.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: Their their response is to try to ignore it. They
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: don't want to debate him on it, don't want to
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: do anything. They want to just ignore it and hope
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: it goes away. But it doesn't go away. And the
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: more people talk about it, the more people read it,
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: and when you do read it and you go, if
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: this is true, what the fuck is going on? And
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: how is that monster still loose?
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't know.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: And he seems like a monster the way he talks
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: about things.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: He just seems well.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: First of all, there's so many instances of him lying.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: There's so many like where he said one thing two
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: years later it turns out to be a lie. Said
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: what like whether it is the natural thing, the mask thing,
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: whether it's the natural spillover, you know, the lies about
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: gain of function to Congress, you know, when he was
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: lying to rand Paul about whether or not they did
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: gain a function research like, how is that not perjury?
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: How is he not in trouble? Yeah? Well, well, hey,
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: other mysteries. You know.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: Well, then the Bid administration is now talking about taking
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: that guy and giving him.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: A full pardon. It's like, yeah, fucking crazy. Yeah they
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: might you know, gave him a pardon.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but but Hunters, was he indicted Well, I mean
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: he was in trouble for tax evasion. There's a lot
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: of tax problems he's he he definitely did some uncool things.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: And then there's the Barisma thing. But the crazy thing
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: about his pardon is it starts at the time of
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: him being involved in Barisma, so it's from twenty eleven
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: all the way to today. That's that's what he pardoned.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: Him is the biggest sweeping pardon than anyone's ever received ever.
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: And Biden's pardoned more people than anybody ever too. He's
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: already over eight thousand people pardoned.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of criminals death.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well there's that, and but then there's also people
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: that like the kids for cash judges.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: You know, where they were locking up.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: Kids and putting him in child detention centers because they
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: wanted money.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: They were doing it for kickbacks. I saw that documentary.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, evil again, what we're talking about good and evil, Like,
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: those are real things and rational people that profess themselves
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: to be intelligent and secular. They don't want to believe
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: in good and evil. They don't think that there. They
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: just think people do bad things, people have motivations, they
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: do bad things, but they don't want to believe in
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: the concept of good and evil because these are biblical
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: concepts they are, right, Yeah, and I.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: You know, they've been around since the beginning.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: And people want to pretend they're smarter than the people
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: that sort of embrace these biblical concepts, right or yeah.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: I think that goes into evolutionary Are we smarter than
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: our grandparents? You know? I don't know.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: Well, we are about some things, but we can't survive
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: the way they did. No, they are obviously intelligent, just
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: they didn't have access to information the way we do.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: But there's a difference between information and intelligence.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Sure. Yeah, I don't have many devices for information. I
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: read books. I read mostly street books. Yeah. Yeah, Oh,
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: I gotta recommend a book to you. It's fascinating and
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: it's called The Frontiersman, and it's about a guy called
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: Simon Kenton. You hear this guy? No, And it was
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: written by a guy who's now deceased. His name is
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: Alan Eckert, and it is really about opening up Ohio
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: and Kentucky in places like that. M with this guy
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Simon Kenton, who was just an Irish immigrant. He wasn't
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: much for farman and stuff, but he thought he killed
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: a guy and so he ran away because he thought
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: he'd be indicted for some crime or something, and he
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: ended up being this frontiersman and it is it's a
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: very interesting document because you get the history of what
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: was going on at the time when the country was
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: opening up between the settlers and the Indians. You know.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: The Shawnee one of the most brutal books I've ever read. Really, oh,
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: it's very well done and it has a narrative, but
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: it's reconstructed from his you know, all kinds of historical
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: documents and letters and diaries and all this kind of stuff.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: So I think the guy took about fifteen years to
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: sort of compile all this stuff and write it. And
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: the first half of the book is about this guy,
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Simon Kenton, and the second half is about Tekumza, you know,
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: the Chief. Really great book, one of the most fascinating
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: books I've read. You can't put it down, really, yeh,
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: because it's just like it's like little chapters.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna get that right now. Have you ever read
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: The Empire of the Summer Moon.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: Nope?
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: Oh, The Empire of the Summer Moon is about the Comanche.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and it's all about the settling of this area.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: It's fucking incredible, right again, one of the most brutal
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: books ever. So this is The Frontiersman.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: The Frontiersman by Alan Eckert. Yeah hm, I'm gonna check
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: out right now so that I make sure that I
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: have it. Yeah. And it's all in a little bite
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: sized chunks, and it actually for a history book. It
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: has this incredible narrative with heroes and villains and all
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: the players. Very interesting document. I'm getting it right now.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, don't read it before bed. No, no, it
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: gets pretty it gets pretty dark.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: Why are you so drawn to history?
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I think because maybe I'm trying to
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: learn something. It's been about eighty years since the last
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: big war. Alan Eckert got it. I think I just
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: want to learn, you know. I mean, my dad went
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: to World War two. He went to Guadalcanal, right, got
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: bit by mosquitos. Yet, you know, malaria, which is interesting
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: to note that he used to take hyghdrugy chloric when
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: you get a malaria is crazy. And then when I tried,
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: when my doctor recommended I get it when I had COVID,
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: they gouged me eight hundred It used to cost him
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: thirty bucks. They wanted eight hundred bucks for they were gouging. Well,
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: not only that, when Trump talked about it, then then
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden they demonized it. Yeah yeah, they laughed.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, which is crazy because it's an anti viral. It works, Yeah,
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: it works on malaria.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and the people have been taking it forever. Sure,
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: pregnant women can take it if they had the flu,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: and it doesn't hurt the baby. You know, it's pretty safe.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: It's like I've remecked it.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: But that's what's so bizarre about the time that we
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: just went through, because there's more information now available to
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: people instantaneously than ever before. Yeah, you look it up
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: on your phone instantly know, Oh, I've rememcked them. The
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: guy who created it won the Nobel.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: Prizeze yeah, twenty fourteen.
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, fifteen, Yeah, for use in human beings yea, yeah,
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: So what the fuck is going on? Yeah, Like, how
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: who's running this thing and.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: It's harmless, and it wasn't made for horses. It was
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: made for people, and then they used it for horses,
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: right right.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: Well, it's like saying penicillins for horses because they used
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: that on horses too, Like that's stupid.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: They told me it was from moldy bread, that's what
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: it was from. Yeah.
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean there's a lot of medications used
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: on animals too. You can't say it's a veterinary medication
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: just because it's also used on animals. It's been used
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: on literally prescribed billions of times on human beings.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the stem cell stuff. They started using
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: it on horses with emphismatic lung conditions, race horses because
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: they would bleed, and they got the stem cells from
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: the umbilical cords of their offspring, injected it into them
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: and they healed their lungs. Which is part of my
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: story because I smoked for forty five years and I
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: couldn't stop. And I read this silly book by Alan Carr,
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: not the little guy who you know managed the village
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: people and the Kaftan, the little fat guy, but no,
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: this other guy, Alan Carr, and he wrote this book,
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: and it's the only thing that made me stop. It
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: worked like crazy, but the book made you stop, Like, well,
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: the book made me stop. We'll read this book. It
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: was a book called The Easy Way to Stop Smoking.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: And it's a silly title, right, and it was sad
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: and my son gave it to me. He said, stop smunking, dad.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: Here here's this book. I left it on. I used
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: to walk past the bookshelvel and go dumb book, dumb title,
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: you know, And then I finally my doctor said you
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: have first stage in phisma. And I'm like, you gotta
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: be kidding me. He said, yeah, you gotta kitt the mussle.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: I got to read this book. So I read the
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: book and I stopped, right. So it was I think
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: it was like neurolinguistic programming or something like that. You
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: read it and you're kind of self hypnotize yourself.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: But it worked well, didn't I tell you? He's awesome.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: Please like, subscribe, share and comment. I'll be bringing you
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• 48:53
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