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Ep. 9 | The Mysterious Goat Man of Maryland | Sasquatch & Sourdough Podcast · Sasquatch & Sourdough

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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to Sasquatch and Sourdough, the podcast where we embark on a journey into the depths of the unknown, weaving together threads of ancient scripture, tales of high strangeness, and the joys of nature.
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  SPEAKER_00: Whether you're a seeker of truth, a lover of the great outdoors, or simply hungry for a good story, Sasquatch and Sourdough invites you to join us on a journey of discovery, wonder, and deliciousness.
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  SPEAKER_00: So grab your backpack, sharpen your senses, and prepare to explore the sacred mysteries of our highly strange world like never before.
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  SPEAKER_03: Welcome back to Sasquatch and Sourdough.
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  SPEAKER_03: I am your host, Christina, and I am joined by my beautiful best friend, Crystal.
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  SPEAKER_03: Hi! We're back in the studio.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's been a while.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's been a while.
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  SPEAKER_03: Summer's over.
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  SPEAKER_03: The children are back to school.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's almost spooky season.
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  SPEAKER_01: It feels kind of dark and dreary today with a little bit of rain.
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  SPEAKER_01: It does.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's our favorite weather.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's our favorite weather.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's the best time to be talking about uh spooky things.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um so before we dive in though, I wanted to just thank we've this community just keeps growing.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's amazing.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like Instagram is like popping off.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's great.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um I'm really excited about just like all the comments and people are really listening.
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  SPEAKER_03: So fix your phone again.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_03: Every time we tried to sit down and record, we had this thing rolling and recording.
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  SPEAKER_03: It must be something like when you talk into it.
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's weird.
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  SPEAKER_01: All of a sudden we started getting into it.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's like are you chip to your phone?
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  unknown: No.
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  SPEAKER_03: What did you buy at the Android store?
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: Maybe they knocked me out.
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  SPEAKER_01: Something happened.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's like an episode of the X-Files.
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  SPEAKER_01: How long have I been here?
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  SPEAKER_01: Three hours?
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  SPEAKER_03: Been at the mall for three hours.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's not even Friday night.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, all right.
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  SPEAKER_03: So anyway, well, that's a cold open.
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  SPEAKER_03: Hey, look, see, you wanted to do cold opens.
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  SPEAKER_03: Now we just did one.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay, good.
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  SPEAKER_03: All right, well, we're warmed up a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um we've got uh some really fun ground to cover.
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  SPEAKER_03: I think today we're gonna dive into another cryptid or I guess creature really from Maryland.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: The goat man.
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  SPEAKER_03: Urban legends, urban man.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, the goat man.
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  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, um, but before we do that, I had a weird question for you, Crystal.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_03: If you um if for some reason we found ourselves in Middle Earth and we were in that amazing landscape.
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh boy.
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  SPEAKER_03: Here we go.
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  SPEAKER_03: What um like what character would you be?
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  SPEAKER_03: Like who would you be?
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, okay, so I have two.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm thinking mostly I would be tree beard.
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  SPEAKER_01: I would like to be tree beard because he keeps to himself.
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  SPEAKER_01: He doesn't really want to get involved in any of it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I will just want to hang out in the forest and pretend that nothing bad is happening around me.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm good.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just kind of like in this weird depression fog, like, where are the wives?
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  SPEAKER_01: Where did the f wives go?
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  SPEAKER_01: These trees were my friends.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then they all stopped moving and they're old.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then they grew roots.
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  SPEAKER_03: But then when it like really hits the fan, though, you can take action.
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  SPEAKER_01: Then I took action because you know, I would need to help Mary and Pippin and you know, take down Isengard and Flutter.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, then I would get it, you know, called to duty.
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  SPEAKER_01: I would rise up.
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  SPEAKER_01: But besides that, I just kind of want to hang out in the forest and pretend that everything's cool.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I also have another one.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: Tom Bombadil.
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  SPEAKER_01: Tom Bombadil.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's another character that is not affected.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's just hanging out in the woods with Goldenberry.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's not affected by the ring at all.
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  SPEAKER_03: He's like, not quite sure why he wasn't really in all the movies, but he just randomly breaks out into songs.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's this happy little fellow.
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  SPEAKER_01: Tom Bombado.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's like that Portlandia episode.
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  SPEAKER_03: So what's more?
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, it's amazing because Crystal and I are best friends, but we're totally opposite.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes, we are.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Because do you know who I would be?
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  SPEAKER_03: Who would you pick?
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  SPEAKER_03: I would be an elf.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was thinking like Galadriel for you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Ah, I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm already so intense.
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  SPEAKER_01: An elf?
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: No, but like, the reason this all brought up is because intern Rob and I were watching the new um Lord of the Rings show.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Or whatever.
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  SPEAKER_03: Which I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's if you got Lord of the Rings on Timu, it's I don't like it.
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  SPEAKER_03: No, it just really, I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_03: I think it's lame.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I was asking him um like who he would be if like if if everything kind of and of course he said he'd be a hobbit.
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  SPEAKER_03: Because and I was like, of course, of course you'd be a hobbit.
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  SPEAKER_03: You'd just be hanging out and eating.
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  SPEAKER_01: In all reality, I think we would end up being um we would end up being hobbits because we like to eat and we like to be cozy.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: I do like being cozy.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I have a really interesting, I have access to like kind of a private collection of old newspapers.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I found one from 1793.
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  SPEAKER_03: And this is the Massachusetts magazine um or monthly museum of knowledge and national entertainment.
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  SPEAKER_03: All the way in the back, they have um so domestic occurrences, and underneath that category we have a collection of curious animals.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nice.
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  SPEAKER_03: So this is called Curious Animal.
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  SPEAKER_03: A very extraordinary animal has lately been discovered on the Bald Mountain and other mountains in the Western Territory.
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  SPEAKER_03: This animal is between 12 and 15 feet high.
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  SPEAKER_03: Whoa, and in shape resembling a human being.
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  SPEAKER_01: Whoa.
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  SPEAKER_03: So yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Except the head, which is in equal proportions to its body, and drawn in somewhat like a terrapin, its feet are about two feet long and hairy, and are of dark uh dune color.
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  SPEAKER_03: Its eyes are exceedingly large and open and shut up and down its face.
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  SPEAKER_03: The hair of its head is about six inches long, stands straight, and its nose is that of a human species, only large and inclined to what is called Roman.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I guess it's kind of like elongated like a Roman nose.
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  SPEAKER_03: These animals are bold and have lately attempted to kill several persons, in which attempts some of them have been uh they've been shot.
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  SPEAKER_03: The inhabitants of this place call it a Yahoo.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh you ever heard of a Yahoo?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I have.
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  SPEAKER_03: I have never heard of a Yahoo.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then it says the Indians give it its name of Chickly Cuddly.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, because I was gonna say that that is that's Native American folklore.
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  SPEAKER_01: Bald Mount uh Utah?
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  SPEAKER_01: Utah, that sounds about right.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's Western Territory.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay, there's apparently a bunch of them.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so Utah.
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  SPEAKER_01: He said the magazine article said, or newspaper article said Western territory.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so the Yahoo.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's at West, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Bald Mountain Yahoo?
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  SPEAKER_03: That's interesting.
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  SPEAKER_03: Isn't that neat?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I thought that I've heard of that.
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh my god, internet.
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  SPEAKER_03: Seriously, so I just went, I did I said bald mountain Yahoo, and like every search is actually Yahoo.
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  SPEAKER_01: A Yahoo search.
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  SPEAKER_03: Give me a brain.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is it a Yahoo or Yaoi?
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  SPEAKER_01: A Yahoo is different, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: It's it was spelled um Y-A Y-A-H-O-O, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's also a it's called a Yowie, which is like another Bigfoot type creature.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, really?
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  SPEAKER_01: In a different area.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um search that.
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  SPEAKER_01: How do you Y-O-W-I-E.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yaowie.
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  SPEAKER_03: Y-O-W-I-E.
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh, Yowie Yahoo.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's yeah, they're I think they're connected.
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  SPEAKER_01: That is a really neat article.
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  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, like, and it's funny because this collection is put together um by a gentleman who really was interested in piracy.
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  SPEAKER_03: So when I was like going through, you know, it's you can really miss a lot.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like these papers were intended to sit down and actually like read through the entire thing because that's where you got all your news.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, so I was like combing through for piracy, and I'm so glad that I marked that.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like I put like a little pencil spot, and there's another one too, um, that I want to talk about like next week.
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  SPEAKER_03: I want to get like kind of just comb through these and have little clips because you know, like what happened?
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  SPEAKER_03: Did anybody follow up with that?
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  SPEAKER_03: Like, what happened to it?
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  SPEAKER_01: 12 to 15 feet tall.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's incredible.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's insane.
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  SPEAKER_01: That sounds like a mountain troll or you know, a giant.
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  SPEAKER_01: Doesn't it?
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, it kind of reminds me of a mountain troll.
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  SPEAKER_01: It does.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: All right.
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  SPEAKER_03: So speaking of troll like things um rolling around countrysides, we have a really good episode today because we're talking about the goat man.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_03: I feel like a lot of our stuff goes right back to trolls.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_03: We end up with bridges and weird um vagrants under the bridges.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we're definitely back to bridges with the goat man.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_01: There's something with bridges, they're supernatural.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_01: There's always supernatural things tied to these bridges.
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  SPEAKER_03: There has to be.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I think we when we the first, yeah, when we talked about Jericho Bridge, we talked about like the rushing water.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you're kind of like at this, I don't even know if it would be a threshold, but you know, you're crossing one side over the other.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you know, so it is kind of like a a little bit of a threshold there.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: So did you interest it?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it is.
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  SPEAKER_01: Goat man is an urban legend from Maryland, and um, there's also a goat man in Texas, and he's he's an urban legend around um the country, but he's not so popular as he is in Maryland and Texas.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, our goat man, there's a bunch of different um stories about where goat man came from.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's like three different, three different ideas of where goat man came from.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um so one of my favorite ones is that he was a scientist at uh the Beltsville Agricultural Research Center.
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  SPEAKER_01: He was experimenting on goats, and something went wrong, and he morphed into a half goat, half man.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, like Spider-Man.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he became very murderous and decided to carry around an axe and attack cars, dogs, um, people like lovers on Lover's Lane.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's like that whole story about sitting in a car and the guy with the axe comes up to your window, but he's not just a dude, he's a half-goat.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's not the zodiac.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: No.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um so where do these urban legends come from?
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_01: I have no idea.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, people are seeing something around this bridge.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the bridge is called the Governor's Bridge, it's in um Prince George's County.
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  SPEAKER_01: And there's a couple of different areas that people have claimed to see Goatman.
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  SPEAKER_01: So they say that he's in Beltsville, which is near the agricultural center, but he's also been seen on Fletchertown Road in Bowie, Maryland, and he's also been seen on Tucker Road in Clinton, Maryland.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now these are all kind of near each other.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, so I'm sure he's goatman's getting around.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, he might be in Beltsville, he might be on the bridge, you know, whatever.
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  SPEAKER_01: That there was a hermit um in f on Fletchertown Road in Beltsville.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's where that agricultural center was.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, he walks the roads hunting and such, and he likes to just scare kids because they're always out there looking for goat man.
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  SPEAKER_01: So he's just like, boo, I'm the goat man.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nice, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's like, you know what?
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  SPEAKER_01: He's a funny hermit.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I you want goat man.
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  SPEAKER_02: Here he is.
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  SPEAKER_02: I will be goat man for you.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_02: I will be your goat man.
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  SPEAKER_01: But there's also a University of Maryland student that I found that did a lot of research on goat man in May of 1971.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, the University of Maryland student George Lizama completed an undergraduate folklore project on the goat lore on the goatman.
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  SPEAKER_01: Later, it was added to Maryland Folklore Archives, which is something I would really like to explore.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't think we've ever looked at that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And um in Lizama's paper, the goat man is said to be located on Tucker Road in Clinton, Maryland, like I said earlier.
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  SPEAKER_01: Later that year, um, there was another report, there was a reporter named Karen Hossler, and she discovered Lizama's project um in the archives, and she reported um in the Prince George's County News in October of 71 that the goatman was seen near Fletchertown Road in Bowie.
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  SPEAKER_01: So all these different people at all different times in history have seen Goatman all over Prince George's County.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_01: I thought that was pretty interesting.
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  SPEAKER_01: That there's so many like little sightings, yeah, and documentation, like really good documentation.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's not just um, you know, it's not, I mean, not that oral history is not like important, but that things have been like written down and documented, yeah.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the folklore archives of Maryland, I didn't even know that that was a thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I would like to look into that further.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_01: Shame on us.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I thought it was funny.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_01: There was um when I was researching this, I was researching all of these different police reports from people that were reporting seeing the goat man, and really it was just a prank.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the law enforcement of the area was getting really irritated going out and researching all these like prank calls about the goat man.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's like a teenager, you know, teenagers usually love lore, you know, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Legend.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you know, when you're a teenager, that's all you do is drive around like looking for urban legends.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, especially like if it's I don't, I mean, I don't really know a lot about Prince George's County, but if it's like rural and you know in this a lot of these take place in the 70s.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, that's what you did.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_03: Like you drove around your car looking for scary stuff, going over scary bridges, and then making prank prank phone calls to the police.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_01: Making prank phone calls.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_03: This one's called Peeping Tom Goat Man.
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  SPEAKER_03: Out around some of the old back roads in Oxen Hill, where couples would go for some privacy.
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  SPEAKER_03: There were lots of stories about people who saw a creature with the body of a goat and the torso arms and head of a man.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_03: They would hear scuffling noises on the dirt road, and they would see the hoof-footed creature outside of the car, and that's like an anonymous sorts.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_03: Like that is pretty easy to kind of if you wanted to pretend you were the goat man.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_01: They could just be having like baggy pants on and shirtless, you know.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_01: Who knows?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like a crazy shirtless red run it around.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_03: I'm coming to get you, kids.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_03: Come here, kid.
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  SPEAKER_03: Get out of the car.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, he's a peeping Tom, so that makes even more sense.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_01: A peeper.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's just sitting there because he knows they're gonna he knows they're gonna be parking.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, two common variations of the myth involve uh the scientists were.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and there's so many different versions.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like the one I read was like he morphed into like a half goat, half human because he was like trying, you know, like Dr.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_01: the island of Dr.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_01: Moreau, where he's like, oh, that's creepy.
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  SPEAKER_01: Experimenting on animals and trying to figure out like how to hybridize them and clone them.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean, yeah.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_03: It's kind of it goes down a whole rabbit trail.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_01: It really does.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and then oh yeah, so the missing animals.
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  SPEAKER_03: So the most persistent accusation against the goatman is that he assaults pets.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_03: Uh the area has suffered several rashes of mutilated or missing animals, including several instances uh reported in 1971 in the Washington Post uh that mention actually mentions the goat man.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_01: Oh wow.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um they were mutilated, they weren't just like killed.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so it says in some instances the decapitated corpses of missing animals have actually been found.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, but there are other circumstances like you so you brought up like the railroad track.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_03: So that's kind of yeah, people are like, well, it's by the railroad, you know, they could have just gotten hit by a train.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and then it goes on to say some even claim to have witnessed the goat man throwing dogs off of Interstate$4.95.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_03: So I don't know if that's happened.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_03: Uh and then it says, as recently as August 2000, a group of construction workers cited a Sasquatch-like creature that, in their estimation, stood 12 feet high in stature, uh, traversing an area of Washington suburbs.
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• 18:03
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• 18:08
  SPEAKER_01: When you're driving to DC on like 295 between Maryland and DC, there's this huge swath of land that's a protected wildlife area.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_01: And it's a big park.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_01: I forget what it's called, but you drive through it going into DC, it's huge.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_01: And um there's a lot of you know, government installations all throughout this park where you need like special clearance to like go to certain areas in this park.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_01: So there's definitely like experimentation things happening all around DC and the area where Goatman is being seen.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's why I really enjoy the science scientist theory because there's so much weird stuff going on around you know DC, down around Prince George's County.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_01: People's imaginations probably just run wild.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, Prince George's County crossing over the Patuxent River.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_03: This place is Crybaby Bridge right in the middle of Goatman territory.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_03: Um, a baby apparently tragically died in the river back in the 1950s, and locals still argue about what really happened that day.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_03: Um, some say that a young guy it's like all the same story.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's the same lore that was on Jericho Bridge.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_03: That a young mother threw her illegitimate child over the bridge uh only to take her own life as well.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_03: And then the more recent theory focuses again on the KKK uh and like the ritual killing uh of the black man, yeah.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_03: Um so that is again tied back to like why that specific bridge is is haunted, yeah.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: But it's all like it ties together in that in the same area, so it's like a vortex of supernatural occurrences, and the reason it's called Cry Baby Bridge is because of all the supernatural entities that have been seen on and around the bridge.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, Goat Man ties into that however you want, he's a cryptid, but with the Oscar Washburn being hung and um with the woman with her baby, yeah, you can still see Oscar.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_01: People have claimed to still see Oscar um going back and forth on the bridge with his rifle and like whispering to people to stay away, go away.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: Like he's still like fighting for his territory and his and his freedom, like in his ghostly form, which is really sad.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's really sad, but yeah, yeah.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_01: But people tie that to goat man because when you go to that bridge and you hear um, you know, a ghost telling you to go away, stay away, they're like, Oh, he must be warning me against goat man.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's how that ties together.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_03: You know, is it more that we're just so susceptible to be like, oh, okay, well, again, we know like weird spooky legends of you know, bridges and things like that, or is it just like bad stuff happens there, you know?
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's that's the question, I guess.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_01: Is how much bad stuff happened there to create uh this like vortex of spiritual activity, you know, supernatural activity.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_01: But then there's also you've heard one story about a bridge.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_01: Now every bridge you see is haunted.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and it almost becomes like that aesthetic kind of like pop culture exactly.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, it's another bridge, must be haunted.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm Lydia Deeds taking a picture of it in the fun hat.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, exactly.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_01: What was that?
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like the Silver River Bridge or something like that.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_01: Silver River Bridge.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even know if that's the real name.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_03: I'm proud that I actually said that without stumbling.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_02: Silver River Bridge.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_03: Well, Goatman Legend was popularized in the nineteen seventies when a family came forward and blamed the brutal decapitation of their new puppy.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Aw, puppy.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_03: On the goat man.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_03: What's wrong with you people?
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_03: And then it says that the dog's head was found 14 years later.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_03: Ew.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_03: What are you doing?
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_03: Where was it?
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_03: Somewhere in Prince George.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_03: Gross.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_03: So everything, so we've got like two kind of like, I guess, origin points of the weird research.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_03: And then just kind of like a ticked-off, you know, hobo guy under the bridge that now is maybe like killing dogs in the 70s.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_03: Like if you were a go if you were seriously like some sort of cryptid thing, like why would you kill and decapitate that dog?
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_03: And then and leave its head.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_01: I'm thinking young serial killer.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_01: You know, when serial killers start out as children, they like to, you know, hurt dogs.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I'm thinking.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it could be the origin story of like a serial killer.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_01: What if it was just like their kid?
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_01: Your kid's a maniac.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_01: You killed your dog.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's actually not goatman.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_01: Whoops.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_01: Jimmy.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna blame it on Goatman, though.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_01: Don't tell anybody.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_01: Little Jimmy's a little weird.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_01: Jimmy.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_01: What happened to you?
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_01: I like the hermit story too.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_01: That's pretty funny.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_01: So there really was a hermit.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_01: I forget his name, but it's in that article that we have by Puglia.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_01: Puglia.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_01: And he he does there, it's there was a real hermit that lived in a little shack, like a little ramshackle shack on the side of near Governor's Bridge.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_01: And he hunted and he didn't buy anything from the store.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_01: So he had to go out, like, you know, and gather and hunt, and he looked crazy and he had a wild beard and hair.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: So if you would have seen him walking around in the middle of the night, like that would be spooky.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you would say you would think, oh, that's that doesn't belong there.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_01: Must be goat man.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_03: I mean that tracks too, because you know, yeah, like if he if he's just kind of yeah, if you're driving around your car or whatever, if it's the same timeline.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and he did like to play with the teenagers and scare them because they were out there looking for goat man.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_01: He thought it was hysterical.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, I kind of like that.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_01: And he didn't want people coming around him.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_01: He was a hermit.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_01: So he didn't want you coming around a shack.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_01: So if you got too close, he scared you off.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_03: Right, because he wants because it's like, yeah, like you said, like his territory.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: Get away from my territory.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_03: I'm just in Beetlejuice mode.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's like I just love legends.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like it just morphs into this huge story.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_01: There's so many different points of view.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_01: And the people that live there obviously were terrified.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I'm sure.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_01: They see Goatman around every corner.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, Crybaby Bridge is closed.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_01: You can still go, but you can't drive over.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_03: This is from this is a comment.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_03: Um, where am I?
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_03: Frightfind.com.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_03: Um, somebody, and she said, I was one of the last people who drove over Crybaby Bridge before it closed.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_03: Now it's just sitting there spookier than ever.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_01: There's like graffiti all over it.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_01: People like write all kinds of weird stuff on it and have like bonfires.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_01: When I was doing my research, there's just so many paranormal investigators that go out there and look for stuff.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_03: Well, because you because it's you wanna you wanna just have spooky time.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_03: In your car.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_03: Smoking your pots.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_03: Kicking your asses.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_03: You kids in your car.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_03: Um, yeah.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_03: What if Goatman just wants you to get off his lawn?
• 25:40
  unknown: Yeah.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_03: You know?
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_03: That's the hermit.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_03: Like, seriously.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_03: Get out of here.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_03: You kids in your cars going over my bridge.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: Leave me alone.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_01: Just get out of here.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_01: You haven't paid the troll toll.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_03: Bridge trolls.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_03: Bridge trolls.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_03: You go hand in hand.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_03: Everything goes back to trolls.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_03: Guys, seriously, this is why you come here for this content.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_03: Everyone's talking about Dog Man and and Sasquatch.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_03: All right.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_03: Trolls.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_03: Right here.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_03: Trolls don't get enough coverage.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_03: Trolls do not get enough coverage.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_03: I'm sick and tired of it.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_01: We need to do a deep dive.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_03: We need to do, yeah.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_03: I agree.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_03: And unicorns.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_03: Unicorns.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_03: No one's talking about unicorns.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_01: Well, there's I wanted to say there was a new show that me and Christina stumbled upon, a podcast that we really enjoyed called The Belief Hole.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I love them.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_01: No one's seen it.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_01: Go watch it.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's a really good podcast.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: They they did a couple episodes on gremlins.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_01: And I never hear stories about gremlins.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_01: They were really interesting.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_03: See, guys, this is why we're in this community.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_03: We want to jazz it up a little bit.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_03: The bleaf hole is really, really funny.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_01: They're so funny.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_01: They're hysterical.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_02: Corey Veldman.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_02: Vem.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_01: So in Maryland, we have our own version of the dogman, the dog man, and he's called the Dueo.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_02: Really?
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_01: So Duo comes from what was it?
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_01: Pennsylvania Dutch.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_01: And it's another correlation.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_01: There's another version of our Maryland dog band called the Hexenwolf, which is German folklore.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_01: That sounds terrifying.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_01: I really want to research this and do an episode.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_01: We should.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_01: The Hexen Wolf, the Dueo.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, maybe we'll do that next week.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_01: That's Marilyn's version of Dogman.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's really interesting.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_01: He's become my new favorite cryptid.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_03: Oh.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, dogman.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_03: Not the dogman that everyone's like chasing.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_03: Everyone's chasing Dogman.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I I know there's a lot out there.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's what we were saying earlier.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_01: Depending on where you live geographically, you're gonna have different cryptids.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_01: And our cryptid, our dogman is different from the dogman, you know, out west or the dogman in New York, you know?
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_03: Like the goat man is different in Maryland and in Texas.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_03: Or not.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_01: Or not.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_03: Because he's still hanging out at bridges.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_03: Uh-huh.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_01: That's definitely gonna create oh yeah.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_01: You know, some supernatural.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_03: Well then it was the same thing with the Jericho Bridge and the and the like the Civil War.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, the Civil War soldiers.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we've got a lot of different.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, this is our Maryland is really just ripe with history and yes.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_03: And I guess that just goes hand in hand with all the weird stuff.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_03: Definitely.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yay.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_03: All right.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_03: Well, that was a good one.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_03: That's the goat man, everybody.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_03: So was it it's getting dicey out there?
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_03: It's getting it's getting dicey out there.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_03: All right.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_03: Um, well, thanks for joining us.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_03: Uh slowly but surely, we're getting our stuff together.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_03: It's kind of exciting.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_03: We'll get there.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_03: We'll get like a hammered down format and and all that jazz.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: But we're just testing out the water.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's like telling stories.
• 28:57
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• 28:58
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• 29:20
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• 29:23
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• 29:37
  SPEAKER_00: So as you bid farewell to this episode, remember, you are not alone.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_00: The wilderness is alive with secrets, waiting to be discovered by those brave enough to venture forth.
• 29:48
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• 29:50
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• 29:53
  SPEAKER_00: Until next time, the truth is out there, God is with you, and everyone always ends up in the kitchen.