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Roswell: The Bodies · HOLOSKY PODCAST

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  [SPEAKER_02]: The crash at Roswell in the Mexico.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I am.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The lies the lies the second episode we got to go into some of the the way this accounts But it's still kind of followed the the beginning of Roswell Like in the beginning days and Some of the things we just tried like we we shine a little bit more light on The subject from different angles government infiltration.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So this episode, which I'm extremely excited about because this episode focuses on one of the lesser known facts of Roswell, and that is, bodies, bodies.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Let the bodies hit the floor.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: If you guys are aware, if you are, if you know, you know.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's how long it's actually about Roswell.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, via weed you board.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: via weed you board that it is, in fact, about Roswell.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Soft, soft disclosure.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, so we're going to start this episode off with one of the lesser known stories in the Roswell saga.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: This involves New Mexico, the tenant governor Joseph Little Joe Montoya.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Montoya was in Roswell on July 7, 1947, while military personnel were responding to reports of a crash north of town, researchers claimed that debris and bodies were being transported to hangar P3 at Roswell Army Airfield.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Rubin and Peta, Anaya were, they were local political supporters and personal friends of Montoya.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They claimed that on July 7th, Montoya contacted them in a state of panic, and was urging them to come to the air base and pick him up.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: they arrive there and it's a way to end up hurrying out of the building and get some their vehicle.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The brother said Montoya was visibly shaken.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: He was pale, nervous, and deeply disturbed by whatever it happened in that building.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: When they got back to the Naya residents, Montoya was trying to calm himself down with some good old alcohol.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: His nerves were essentially blasted.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Montoya said that military personnel were bringing unusual wreckage into the hanger.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: He said he was hearing discussions about a strange craft that wasn't anything like our types of craft.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: He also said he had seen several small humanoid beings.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Montoya said these beings were roughly chest high, thin bodied, large headed figures with oversized eyes and pale skin.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: He said that he saw three dead bodies in one that was alive.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: He knows it was alive because he could hear it moaning and he witnessed it moving.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: That's so crazy.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: and he said medical personnel were also examining the one that was still alive.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: He kept saying how these beings did not appear human at all.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Montoya said that the wreckage had been shipped out, and the small beings had been transferred for further examination.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The Ania also said that Sheriff Wilcox visited them and warned them to never talk about anything that Montoya had told them.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Other members of the Ania family had spent time with Montoya.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: one in particular worked with him years later in Washington, and just flat out, asked him about the incident.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Montoya admitted to every part of it.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And then he also said, if you think you're going to tell anybody about this, I will publicly deny every part of it.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, of course.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So,
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy that a that scenario stayed in the end of family.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And then later on, years down the road, a family member works with him in Washington and calls him on and it's like, hey, you know, I heard someone so tell me about this at the barbecue, is that fucking real and he's like, yes, every part of it is 100% real, but we are not going to talk about it.
• 13:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're done.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Good bye.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so I think it's pretty cool that it was able to
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  [SPEAKER_01]: to kind of cooperate the story.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And like I said, hats off to the the homies in the book, which I probably should witness to Roswell.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: that book there.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Those guys did fantastic research.
• 13:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so while you're here and like all these accounts come from that book and these guys were boots on the ground, they interviewed over 600 people to get these stories.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So they put in the legwork for this shit.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: it's so crazy just I was thinking about that as you said it that had they not because Roswell is a long time ago yeah that's it that's what every bit of 80 years almost now it's just crazy if they would not have done that if they would not have put put themselves out there knocked
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  [SPEAKER_02]: these people are not, if they are still around they're not going to be around for long.
• 14:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: No.
• 14:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: So that would they would have all been lost to time.
• 14:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely, because none and like to that no, a lot of these people weren't actively looking to share their stories.
• 14:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, they were, they were content with just let like take into the grave, like they were supposed to do.
• 14:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: because you will read, like if you read that book, there are a lot of people that they have to talk to that are deceased now, like they passed away in the 2006, 2010.
• 15:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of them that have passed away since they've talked to them.
• 15:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy.
• 15:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is crazy.
• 15:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like you said, had they not done this?
• 15:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would guarantee 90% of the stories that we're talking about now would not exist.
• 15:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 15:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it would have been virtually,
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  [SPEAKER_01]: successful cover up of the Roswell incident.
• 15:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, outside of maybe the people in the town of Roswell.
• 15:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, because that I think that family Laura probably traveled for quite a while, but outside of that, and we wouldn't be hearing about it, you know, it's crazy.
• 15:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is crazy.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So some of my favorite stories in this Roswell saga come from the hospital to hospital staff, and the ones dealing with the bodies for, you know, the aliens.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: What's crazy is that throughout the years of being around the Roswell stories, you hear about the bodies in certain circles.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: However, I didn't realize there were so many accounts of seeing or dealing with the bodies.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We've talked about how Mac Brazel has seen them.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Some of the children on the ranches have alluded to seeing them.
• 16:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know some of the military personnel have seen them while transporting the bodies.
• 16:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: At the RAF hospital, people started to notice some strange things taking place.
• 16:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: And this would be around the crash.
• 16:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: they were they were noticing unfamiliar doctors and nurses rushing around.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Regular staff was being sent back to their living quarters and military police were posted around the outside perimeter as well as inside the hospital.
• 16:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: The RAF hospital did not have a morgue so they had
• 16:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: contract with the private mortuary, the ballard funeral home.
• 17:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well during this time, some phone calls were being made to the ballard funeral home, people asking for the availability of children's caskets.
• 17:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: At the same time, dry ice was also being called in from Clarie's dairy during the same time period.
• 17:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: which definitely sounds like things you need on a weather balloon recovery.
• 17:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, children's caskets and dry ice.
• 17:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you gotta keep that balloon on ice, dude.
• 17:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: And in a kid's coffin.
• 17:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: What else would you store it at?
• 17:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: You write a cardboard box?
• 17:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so.
• 17:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Calls were also being made to the local mortician about recommended embalming techniques that would be the least detrimental to tissue embodily fluids.
• 18:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that was all coming into the ballard funeral, which we'll have a little bit more on that later.
• 18:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: By all accounts, she was a pretty important person.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: She was a secretary to the head of the hospital.
• 18:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: So this is a rather large position that requires security clearance to which she earned from the FBI.
• 18:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: She spent years in the FBI.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Regardless, one night she comes home from work, which of course is during the Roswell time frame.
• 18:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: She comes home and begins to have dinner with her family, her father, mother, brother sister.
• 18:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: The brother sister recount how Miriam wouldn't touch any of her food that night.
• 18:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: And only to excuse herself and begin sobbing uncontrollably, her father, as a father would do,
• 18:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: He thinks, you know, she, maybe she lost a friend, maybe she got fired, something's off, and I'm going to go, I'm going to get to the bottom of it.
• 19:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, being in our emotional state, she starts to tell him what happened that day.
• 19:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: She tells him she was out during her normal duties around the hospital.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: As all the additional personnel kept
• 19:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Coming, she, she is anyone would get more and more curious as to what's going on.
• 19:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: She's noticed in all these new faces, a lot of activities.
• 19:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: She's like, something is going on around this place.
• 19:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I wonder what it is.
• 19:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, she gets answered her boss.
• 19:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I guess his name's Warren.
• 19:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Who is the head of the hospital?
• 19:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Takes her by the arm and is like, hey, come with me to the examination room.
• 19:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: So they go to the room and as she gets in there, she sees a few bodies on the gurney's in the middle of the room.
• 19:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: But right away, she notices something is very, very wrong with them.
• 20:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: At first she cries out, oh my god, they're children.
• 20:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Only to quickly realize the body was about the only thing that made them childlike.
• 20:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Their skin was aggrished to brown and tone with white linens covering most of each body.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The heads were too large and the eyes.
• 20:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: They had several or they had large eyes that wouldn't shut.
• 20:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: when she was retelling the story to or when she was retelling the story, she was almost paralyzed by the eyes.
• 20:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: She said those staring eyes.
• 20:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's scared her even more when she saw one of them move.
• 20:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you have multiple accounts of people saying that at least one of these bodies was alive.
• 20:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: So this is where a story to her father stops.
• 20:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: And she basically cries herself to sleep.
• 20:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: The next day, however, she's almost angry.
• 21:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: She gets up and she's like, why the fuck would my boss show me something like that?
• 21:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is ridiculous.
• 21:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: I wanted no part of this.
• 21:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: overnight when Miriam had been home, the RAF set up a temporary morgue.
• 21:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Large wooden crates were brought in and filled with dry ice, metal fences were in place just kind of the whole nine.
• 21:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: By the same time, the hospital went back to normal like nothing had ever happened.
• 21:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, as with everyone who had witnessed it, the military began making their rounds and
• 21:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, she ends up telling her brother that evening.
• 21:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm never saying another word about what I saw.
• 21:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: None of you ever heard me say anything about it.
• 21:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: And within the year, Miriam gets married to someone she had just met moves the California,
• 22:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: After nearly 40 years of what is described as an arranged marriage, she would finally divorce in 1987.
• 22:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now after the divorce, and this is where, you know, people, I'm sure you'd be like okay having an arranged marriage, well, here's your answer.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Within months though, Pat began to sense a change in Miriam.
• 22:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: She would become more and more paranoid.
• 22:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: She always thought she was being watched and followed.
• 22:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now keep in mind, this next bit is from her sister-in-law.
• 22:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Pat was pretty sure that all this paranoia stem from 1947 and was the purpose of being married to someone that is gay.
• 23:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so Pat is talking about her brother whom she would know So that would be how it is and it is basically an arranged marriage.
• 23:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: How should it's known?
• 23:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: I wonder if he was a military official.
• 23:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: I does not elaborate on that had to be somebody that was a least keeping an eye on her Probably but she ended up divorcing him almost like a handler or something
• 23:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah.
• 23:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like a handler is a good label for that.
• 23:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: So in December of 1989, she called Pat and was talking or it pat and Miriam were talking.
• 23:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Miriam was obsessed at this point with people spying on her day today.
• 24:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Pat's kind of thinking she's like losing her shit, you know.
• 24:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: The next day though, Miriam would check and do a motel just north of San Jose in a town called Fremont.
• 24:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: She would do so using her sister's name.
• 24:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Miriam was found the next morning and the coroner's report said that she had committed suicide
• 24:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: and according to the family, Miriam had scratches and bruises all over her arms.
• 24:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
• 24:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: That doesn't sound like...
• 24:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: something that happens whenever you do do that kind of stuff to yourself, yeah, sounds like injuries that happen when you're trying to keep someone from wrapping a plastic bag around your head.
• 24:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it sounds like a tactic that like, I don't know, the CIA or the FBI would probably have a hand in.
• 25:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, if you wanted to put a message out,
• 25:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: that you need to keep your mouth shut about stuff.
• 25:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a pretty solid way to do it.
• 25:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, wrapping plastic bag around someone's head.
• 25:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then having enough power to get the corner and it'd be like, yeah, she did herself.
• 25:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 25:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a pretty dedicated way to go out.
• 25:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Which I think we all know is total bullshit.
• 25:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 25:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Switching gears a little bit here, the idea of multiple crash sites.
• 25:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: I believe we talked about a young boy, D. Proctor, that was with Mac Brass Brasal, when he found the crash site.
• 25:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, in 94, D took his dying mother to another site, which was the same site that Randall and Schmidt identified as the impact site 91.
• 25:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: So there's cooperation on the second impact.
• 26:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's the same site that is believed to have the body's Mac found.
• 26:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: But it is believed that there was yet another site.
• 26:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it was a three-site incident.
• 26:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Their theme, the second site, was a few bodies that were blown out or ejected from the craft.
• 26:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: The rest of the ship and the rest of the crew went east, southeast for another 30 miles.
• 26:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Here is what apparently Mack knew nothing about, but apparently a group of civilian archaeologists stumbled on the third crash site.
• 26:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Ed St was a private first class in the 390th air service squadron.
• 26:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: He was about to turn in for the night when Major Robert Darden burst in and said, come on boys, we've got a crash.
• 26:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: So they got into an ambulance to drove north of town for about a half hour, then headed west into the middle of nowhere in Lincoln County.
• 26:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: When he got there, it was basically a tent set up and some
• 27:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: who were on the head, they were the head of the MPs.
• 27:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: They directed Ed and his buddy to guard the entry and the orders were shoot anyone that comes up.
• 27:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: This was all, that's, this is what he told the investigators, these guys who wrote the book.
• 27:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: However, they get a hold of, and this is all he told them.
• 27:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that was the end of his story with the investigators.
• 27:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Investigators, those two dudes were like,
• 27:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's check into this.
• 27:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 27:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: So they get a hold of Ed Sane's son for more information.
• 27:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: He said his father told him he was under a security oath and feared for his life if he ever said anything.
• 27:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: However, according to his son Stephen, his father said he was assigned to guard the bodies at the crash site.
• 28:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: He referred to the body's little green men.
• 28:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Ed's saying's buddy, the night that night was Raymond Van Wye.
• 28:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: His wife told that her husband was very close mouth about his military service, even shredding his documents when he got out.
• 28:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: However one day, he saw an account in a newspaper of an alleged spaceship crash.
• 28:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I saw that, I saw that, that was me, that was me.
• 28:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: He also told her that when he was stationed at Roswell, he was ordered to guard a crash site in the desert.
• 28:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: So then you have Sergeant Leroy Wallace, this is a great fucking story here.
• 28:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: He was a six-nine Cherokee Indian, so big ol' boy, that is, that's big boy, big guy.
• 29:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: He was an MP and one night he was called away to go to a crash site outside Corona.
• 29:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: He had to help load the bodies.
• 29:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: When he came home, early the next morning, the first thing his wife noticed was the smell.
• 29:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was the worst smell you'd ever smell.
• 29:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: She's like, you can't even imagine.
• 29:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: a combination of smells that smell worse than this, so he stripped him down, burn his fucking clothes, then dude would take a bath with a lice soap and an old army scrub brush after that.
• 29:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: He would wash his hands up to 10 times a day to the point that they would become raw.
• 29:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: And for two days after coming home, he would just walk around and not sleep.
• 30:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: For two weeks when he ate, the dude would literally wear gloves because the smell was still on his body.
• 30:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's so weird.
• 30:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: So homie, like, could you imagine, like, he's like, oh, some need, I better put on my rubber.
• 30:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just, I just imagine, like, dish washing gloves.
• 30:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he just taped them on there and he's like, right now, I can eat my sandwich.
• 30:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, put on my anti alien gloves.
• 30:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: Dude.
• 30:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, another absolute crazy account involved Sergeant Frederick Bynthol, who served as the Army Air Force's photographic specialist.
• 30:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: He and Corporal Al Kirkpatrick were ordered to fly to Roswell.
• 30:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: On the way, which blows my fucking mind, is they were handed, this is crazy.
• 31:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: They were handed, these two dudes, Frederick Bento and Al Kirkpatrick were handed dossiers on their way to Roswell, right?
• 31:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: The first dossier was General Curtis Bomber Lime, who was the future of the strategic air command and the air forces chief of staff, which that's whatever, that's kind of irrelevant to most of us.
• 31:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would feel like.
• 31:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: but the crazy one.
• 31:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: The other dossier was on Jay, Robert, Oppenheimer.
• 31:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh.
• 31:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Of Los Alamos.
• 31:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: The bomb guy.
• 31:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: The bomb guy.
• 31:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Interesting.
• 31:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: He was supposed to be there.
• 31:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: Interesting.
• 31:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's fucking crazy, right?
• 31:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: That blew my mind when I fucking read that.
• 31:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, get the fuck out, but it makes sense.
• 32:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: One of the top scientists in the fucking country.
• 32:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: And if their power source was some sort of nuclear capability, he would be the guy to get ahold of.
• 32:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: You want to, you want the guy there.
• 32:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
• 32:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's what the guy there.
• 32:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: So anyways, they land in both men were picked up and set off for the site at this point.
• 32:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: They must have the military must have done known because they, you know, they pick them up and they're like, hey, here put these rubberized suits on.
• 32:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: they offer some kind of protection against something.
• 32:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
• 32:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Put those on.
• 32:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: They arrive in Bento, seen several tents in a refrigerator truck.
• 32:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: He also saw trucks in debris leaving in more trucks entering the area.
• 32:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: So at this time, obviously, they're shipping out parts of the craft and just a steady line of people taking shit out.
• 33:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: At this time, him and Kirkpatrick were split up.
• 33:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Kirkpatrick was sent on an empty truck to another site.
• 33:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Minthol was taken to a tent and told to stand by.
• 33:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: An officer came out and said, get your camera ready.
• 33:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: They went into the tent and the officer pulls a tarp back, revealing several little bodies lying on a rubber sheet.
• 33:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: They walked in a circle around the
• 33:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Menthol said all of the bodies were almost identical.
• 33:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Dark complexions thin with large heads.
• 33:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: There was a strange smell inside the tent that smelled something like from outside.
• 33:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: He took pictures in the tent for about two hours that day.
• 33:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: The men go back and get debriefed and they were told
• 33:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Essentially, you have no idea what you saw it today.
• 34:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then they go to another place.
• 34:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: A colonel is debriefing them and he's like, he's like, this is kind of weird.
• 34:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: But the colonel goes to both the men as he's debriefing him.
• 34:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, do you know what you took pictures of today?
• 34:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: And both the men said, yes, we just kind of weird.
• 34:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: that they would know that these are aliens in the UFO.
• 34:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: The Colonel then reminded them, you do not know what you took pictures up today.
• 34:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Wrong answer boys.
• 34:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then he asks again, do you know what you took pictures up today?
• 34:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: And both men go, no sir.
• 34:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Nope.
• 34:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: wrong answer.
• 34:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was bent all then a little later gets sent.
• 34:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is crazy.
• 34:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: So he's he's part of that of the Roswell investigation taking pictures of these alien bodies.
• 35:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Shortly after this, he gets sent to the fucking Arctic.
• 35:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, to take pictures of equipment and to study the effects of cold on them.
• 35:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, we're gonna send you somewhere where you haven't talked to anyone, I mean, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm,
• 35:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: been the literally took pictures of alien bodies.
• 35:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then we're like, yeah, we're gonna go to the Arctic bud.
• 35:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna go and shoot you out, buddy.
• 35:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 35:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: We trust you.
• 35:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: We trust you.
• 35:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Can you out run a polar bear?
• 35:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: But just to make sure we're gonna go ahead and give you this rat assignment in the Arctic.
• 35:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: We trust you enough to send you to the most barren place on the planet.
• 35:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, then you have Glendinus.
• 35:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: He was one of the first men to introduce the, what is known as the smelly alien bodies to the narrative.
• 36:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: He was the Roswell embalmer.
• 36:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so he said on July 8, he had received a few calls from the Mortuary office officer at the base first inquiring about the availability of child size caskets.
• 36:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: then about embalming techniques for bodies that had been out in the desert.
• 36:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: So there's cooperation of the earlier episode.
• 36:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Then it's kind of assumed there was a plane crash, you know, from the base.
• 36:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: So he actually he's like, hey, if you guys need some help out there, I'm more than willing to come out there and lend the hand, you know.
• 36:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: And of course they decline to like, no, no, this is all just for future reference.
• 36:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, way later on, he received a call telling him to pick up and transport a dude to the base.
• 37:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: A local airman who'd been in a motorcycle accident, and I guess because the town was so small, this guy also had like a deal that he worked out with kind of like being an MEMS type situation.
• 37:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, so he does, he's like, all right, cool, you know, I'll pick this dude up and I'll tell you in the hospital.
• 37:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: So in the RAF hospital, and it gets there and he sees these these box type military ambulances near the hospital, and one of the doors are open and inside he sees this weird he describes it as like a canoe structure with weird symbols on it.
• 37:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: He said it looked like metal, but it also kind of looked like it it blueed like it had been exposed
• 37:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Once inside the hospital though, he bumps into a nurse, he knew and she was holding a towel over her nose and mouth, but once she's seen Dennis, she's like, what the fuck are you doing here?
• 38:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Get out of here as quickly as you can because if you get seen here, you're getting a shitload of trouble.
• 38:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, Dennis is like, all right, I'm, I don't do it.
• 38:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm leaving.
• 38:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: So he rolls out on his way out.
• 38:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: a sergeant and a captain confronted him and instantly said listen here you son of a bitch and that was that's a quote they call him some of a bitch because it's coming in a little hot yeah they're like listen here you son of a bitch there was no crash you didn't see anything and if you don't get out of here right now and keep your mouth shut you might require the services of the embommer yourself
• 39:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Damn.
• 39:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I feel like in that moment Dennis is like The fuck you talking about crash Bitch, I'm probably out of the loop.
• 39:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just dropping a dude off that crash is motorcycle asshole That you guys told me to do.
• 39:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I hope you said that So back
• 39:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: you know, he was shaken by this.
• 39:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: He took the threat seriously.
• 39:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: They even military escorted him back to the funeral home after that.
• 39:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: A few days later, he actually runs into the nurse again that he saw at the hospital.
• 39:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, of course, he starts to pry.
• 39:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, what the fuck was going on there?
• 39:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and he could tell that she was like super nervous.
• 39:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: But she cracks and she starts to spill the tea, right?
• 39:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: She went into a side room for supplies, while she's at the hospital, they're working.
• 40:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: When a military doctor, who she'd never seen before, turns around and he's like, hey, stop what you're doing and get over here.
• 40:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I need someone to take notes on what I'm doing here.
• 40:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: She then noticed the overwhelmingly foul smell in the room and three dead foreign bodies lying on gurneys.
• 40:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Two of them weren't very bad shape and appeared mutilated, while the third one seemed to be intact.
• 40:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: The doctors were focused on the intact one.
• 40:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: She said the bodies were three, three and a half to four feet tall with long arms and frail bodies.
• 40:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oversize heads and the bones of the head were actually similar to those of a newborn baby, meaning they were pliable and could be moved slightly.
• 41:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: each hand had only four fingers with no thumbs and they had the fingers had suction cups on the tip of them.
• 41:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: The eyes were sunken and oddly spaced.
• 41:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: The ears and nose were simply holes in the side of the head.
• 41:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: The mouth was just a small slit.
• 41:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: It didn't take long of her being in there that the smell actually overwhelmed her and made her sick to which she asked to be excused, which is the moment they had ran into each other.
• 41:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's as she's coming out with that over a mouth and Dennis had ran into her.
• 41:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: But she also said that the doctors who were performing the autopsy actually had to board it because they too became sick from the smell.
• 41:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now after this account, Dennis never saw her again.
• 41:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: She was apparently transferred to England a week or two later and he so he ends up writing her letter and mails it to her.
• 42:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: He gets the letter back a few months later and letters actually marked deceased that she is now dead.
• 42:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: She supposedly was killed in a plane, a plane crash during a training exercise.
• 42:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: now he gave a name for he called her Naomi self, but that he later says listen, that's not a real name.
• 42:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: I promised her that I would never, I would never speak her real name ever again.
• 42:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would never tell her real name to anyone.
• 42:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that definitely wasn't her name, but he was just covered, you know, covered for.
• 42:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 42:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Did they ever?
• 42:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Make note of what this, um, the smell smell like.
• 42:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: No.
• 42:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: He says like the worst smell in the world.
• 42:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 42:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but nobody, nobody, nobody's like basically said anything about it.
• 43:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: And what it was or anything.
• 43:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: I also know it's the government and they can do whatever they want.
• 43:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: You would think that they would have to, like there's obviously going to be some paper trail to whoever sold them the children's coffin.
• 43:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: And you would also think that they would have to come up with some sort of narrative as to why they were needing so, you know, multiple children's coffins.
• 43:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, like, you'd have to have something there, like a school bus crashed or something.
• 43:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, which the entire town would definitely know about.
• 43:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I don't know, so crazy.
• 43:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is crazy.
• 43:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: But what's even crazier is that a lot of people throughout the Roswell narrative have actually tried to dismiss Dennis's story.
• 43:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because I guess it's because of the timeframe, I want to say around 91 or so is when he came out and started talking about the bodies and the nurse and so on and so forth.
• 44:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of people.
• 44:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Equated that to like dude, you're just talking about this because the story is like blowing up again, like you're you're just kind of cloud Jason so it's big.
• 44:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, there have been a lot of people a and then the book it has.
• 44:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: infinitely more people about who have come forward and co-operated the story, kind of without knowing it.
• 44:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: So there was a man that they were able to track down.
• 44:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: He was a young boy at the time and had a job at a local grocery store.
• 44:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: This grocery store had like a in-house coffee nook and you're in it like everybody would come there.
• 44:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Please would go there once in a while, you know, just everybody would kind of show up for this coffee nook.
• 44:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: But he remembers hearing people talking about the crash and the little bodies.
• 44:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: But he definitely remembers the baller funeral home people talking about the need for ordering small caskets.
• 45:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Which you're like, all right, you know, maybe.
• 45:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: And there was a garnermason of Hagerman, whose family ran a mortuary services business, said they remember a call from the ballard's funeral, saying, hey, we don't have enough child coffins can you help us?
• 45:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: So they ended up actually making that delivery of the coffins to the RAF.
• 45:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: So they ended up being the ones to take the child cascades to the air force there, which you would also think would throw up some red flags.
• 45:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, like, all right.
• 45:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: people should be asking questions.
• 46:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
• 46:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: I also get it if the government or if the military's like, hey, don't ask any damn questions.
• 46:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like I said, in the book, which said, that's going to be about the the episode on the what I have for all the bodies, but in the book, at least so far, I'll probably dig a little bit further into it.
• 46:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just lost my train and thought it's interesting from from what I'm getting the kind it kind of feels like there was four bodies at least four bodies for the most part three Some people are and it does like you dig around in the body count changes, but you're right the The most frequent body count is three dead one alive
• 46:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: which also were by we, I mean, me, I'm kind of assuming that all of the occupants of the craft were taken to the same place, which that could be different as well.
• 47:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
• 47:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: So there could
• 47:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: more deceased ones could have been shipped directly out of there because you know we know that like some of the debris and stuff was sent to write yeah flown directly yeah to write and you you here in in the UFO circles is that's that's where the bodies ended up was yeah therefore yeah yeah because you know in it is stated that the
• 47:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was under-prepared for anything like this.
• 47:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't even have a morgue in that hospital.
• 47:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: So they don't even really have the capability of dealing with these deceased bodies.
• 48:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then it is stated that at that moment, which once again comes down to a level of organization, think about once they had them bodies at the Roswell
• 48:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Even the staff noticed the massive large influx of personnel, like where the fuck, it's, it's great, like, I guess one of the questions I would have is, alright, so let me get this drape, you have a army air hospital out here, but those individuals,
• 48:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: be there under like under qualified or we don't trust them enough, even though that they are in the military.
• 48:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: But so much so that we bring out mass amounts of new people to handle this.
• 49:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 49:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then not to mention the short notice that would take you know what I mean?
• 49:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: all hand all hand on deck kind of event really because the people at the the hospital they didn't even recognize these new people so it wasn't like they were staffed you know they were just off that night or something and you have armed guards there.
• 49:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, the MPs in and out of the building which has to be the biggest red flag and what are the arcs going on?
• 49:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Of course.
• 49:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because they're what scenarios constitute needing armed guards at the morgue.
• 49:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: For the hospital.
• 49:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right, right.
• 49:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're not put together.
• 49:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right outside of alien autopsies, right.
• 49:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm I'm really curious about the stench like
• 50:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: I need those.
• 50:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: I need to dive in and see if there's any accounts of what it's smell like.
• 50:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we've heard stories before of aliens stinking.
• 50:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 50:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, what is it?
• 50:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: There was, is it like an ammonia or sulfur smell?
• 50:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
• 50:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
• 50:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: People talk about, which is bizarre.
• 50:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is bizarre.
• 50:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I wonder what ammonia smells like in air sulfur smells like in conjunction with framada hide obviously in the same similar if it's a little different.
• 50:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: because there are smells that you get on yourself that last four a long time.
• 50:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
• 50:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: When I was, my first real job I worked at a propane company and once we would get old unusable tanks back in,
• 50:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: you would air them out, and then you would run water through them.
• 51:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Through them that way, it would push all of the excess propane out.
• 51:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, being a new guy, you'd have to go and take a plug out of the bottom.
• 51:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: What makes propane stink is a liquid.
• 51:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: in the tanks and once you pull the plug obviously liquid gets all over you and it was the worst.
• 51:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's like take the smell of propane and then just concentrate it into a liquid and get on your hands and it will smell forever.
• 51:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: That sucks.
• 51:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 51:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: So that's, that's immediately what I equated it to with the old boy.
• 51:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't understand what this club saw to do.
• 51:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've really got, that's probably a fair assessment.
• 51:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I feel like there's a part of me digging through this.
• 51:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: with how like ultra well organized they were even in the midst of what is chaotic and just seems like disorganization.
• 52:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: It makes you feel like this isn't the first time they've dealt with shit like this.
• 52:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's very least they had to have a
• 52:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: They had to have something to set up.
• 52:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Unless it was like a contingency plan for completely unrelated topic, it just happened to be easily applied to this situation.
• 52:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I think I still think they, I think they probably, realistically,
• 52:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: They probably encountered shit during World War II.
• 52:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: Food fighters and stuff, and probably pre that.
• 52:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: There are other different crash scenarios, like what if the Cape Gerardo crash was pre-Roswell.
• 52:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think about the two Steve, you know, we went into World War II.
• 52:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what was Hitler dabbling with?
• 52:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
• 52:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you might be on to something with that.
• 52:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: and and the military's been known to have can to look at connox 3333 right right right right right they have they i feel like they cover their bases on a lot of shit so there's weird
• 53:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, don't want to, if you have a listen at episode, go back and listen to it, and then look at the time when we posted it, and then look at what happened just within a few months and how they handled things and they kind of, you know, twines and meshes there, but anyway, that's not a part of this story, but I do feel like they probably, they talk about
• 53:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: and they were probably in places that were not very populated.
• 53:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think this is just one of the like the the first big ones that we the people.
• 53:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: And because it was it was like you said that's a good point too that if they were probably out and nowhere and this one just happened to be so close to home, so to speak, that's kind of unavoidable and while they were, while they were on top of all of their shit, I think.
• 54:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: This the one thing they couldn't control is the human element, yeah, which kept letting the cat out of the bag.
• 54:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the first, the first newspaper that broke was like, hey, you have a little fucking UFO's found.
• 54:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're like, no, what was it?
• 54:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: Touch your mouth.
• 54:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Then you got people talking, like, this old boy says stuff about this and then you have to cabosh that.
• 54:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then this doesn't really mean something about this and I got to cabosh that.
• 54:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: And like you said, back in the day, I think there's something to that that, of course, there were your drunkards and shit, but there were a lot of men back then that they took their word serious and like, if you and me were neighbors and you came over and like you, like I know Steve is a straight shooter.
• 54:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: He don't fucking lie to me.
• 55:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he comes over and he's like, boy, you ain't gonna ever believe what I found in my past year last night.
• 55:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he told me that story.
• 55:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: He said a lot of those guys, like their word is everything.
• 55:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's what they have.
• 55:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: So they don't, they're not, they're not tall tellers like that.
• 55:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: They ain't, you know.
• 55:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then I feel like there's pride that comes in their word.
• 55:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't, everything that goes along with that.
• 55:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that,
• 55:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I could just easily see somebody coming up to like an older gentleman at that time, like even a military guy, I mean, like you did not see anything out in that fucking field, it was a weather blue and bud.
• 55:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I could easily see that all time or being like, oh no, no, sir, that was no damn weather blue and out there, I tell you what.
• 55:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: and then just kind of getting into an argument with the military guy over it because they were there accounts that i read were uh... i think it was i think it might have been max daughter where they had actually gone out several times throughout the years and found found weather balloons out there so they knew what weather balloons looked like they had pulled them out and through them way
• 56:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, for them to push that narrative is so crazy.
• 56:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then like there's so, there's so many stories in that book, guys, like it's unbelievable.
• 56:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's reports, because I kind of stay away from a lot of the, the Marseille character and caveat because they, like everybody knows that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that,
• 56:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: story junction there, but there are reports of people like seeing and seeing a large convoy going through town with strange shit on it.
• 56:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's there's just so many first-hand accounts it is insane.
• 56:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: I want to say it was like a 14-hour audio book, so there's that much information all wrapped up in it.
• 57:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: I wonder where
• 57:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: the wreckage that was recovered by the military is now, probably in the annals of Wright Patterson, probably, or being a reverse still being a reverse engineered.
• 57:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, actually.
• 57:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they didn't just get rid of it.
• 57:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's no way.
• 57:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: They definitely have it stored somewhere.
• 57:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: Which one's it can
• 57:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Even if we didn't get to keep it, just to be like, for some reason, or with the CIA, or military, whatever then, like our employees.
• 57:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: This here is the, here is a piece from the 1947 Roswell craft.
• 57:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: See, that's what I consider disclosure.
• 57:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would be like, holy shit.
• 58:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: That right there is disclosure to me.
• 58:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: The government's saying they're, they're in the process of disclosure and they're still showing us
• 58:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Grany or photos in videos though, like they were taken in fucking 1947 where if you have the pieces of the UFO Just show us Show us, really?
• 58:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's disclosure.
• 58:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it'll be crazy is if it was like we talked off air
• 58:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: like in the penance day when they took them to the freak show, and you see the several mangled bodies in the one intact one, which is the description in the episode, which is ironic to say the least.
• 58:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: But it would be fucking crazy if they still, like if they had the body still preserved.
• 58:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: and like those giant fats.
• 58:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and there, yeah.
• 58:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Which doesn't, it doesn't sound like they did because they did get a bunch of child size golf, and so that would make you assume they had every intention of burying the bodies.
• 59:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's also strange.
• 59:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's what I was going to say.
• 59:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's weird that they decided to put them in coffins.
• 59:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 59:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because you would think that they would immediately go out to get examined.
• 59:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because they said that they looked into the involvement fluid that did the least amount of tissue damage.
• 59:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 59:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, you would think outside of it, having to be moved through a public place that they would just
• 59:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Bagum tagum send it.
• 59:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, because you don't need coffins right off the rip if you're going to experiment on these things for Months to years.
• 59:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, unless you were moving it through some place where you didn't want people to know what it was Also to that point.
• 59:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I don't know if I've skipped over it in the book already or if it's to come Because I am going back to the book
• 59:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: But they said when they transported the bodies, they didn't transport them on like a normal plane.
• 1:00:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: They put them in bomber plane.
• 1:00:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: You talked about that the first steps.
• 1:00:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:00:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: They put them in bomber planes.
• 1:00:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm assuming because less conspicuous.
• 1:00:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, these people just like, oh, this is a bomber coming in.
• 1:00:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's definitely not alien bodies on it.
• 1:00:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: It is funny that you talked about independence day and soft disclosure because there's like the names that you kept mentioning kept ringing bells to me, like Mac, Mac Brazzle.
• 1:00:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's an alien movie called Mac and me.
• 1:00:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's weird.
• 1:00:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're in the lab.
• 1:00:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: A kid befriends an alien this fall to earth.
• 1:00:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then you talked about one of the guys named Alan Grant, which Alan Grant is the main dude in Jurassic Park.
• 1:00:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Which also, if you step out a little bit and you kind of put your conspiracy hat on, which is about gene editing and DNA manipulation, which falls right back into the UFO.
• 1:01:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, right, right.
• 1:01:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: Alien lore, which
• 1:01:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: leads to right Patterson where they're using the bodies to do gene manipulation and DNA editing shit.
• 1:01:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's soft disclosures weird, man.
• 1:01:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is weird, you know, because the fact like I said, even that little minute detail that I noticed in an independence day with the bodies.
• 1:01:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's almost like a nod to it.
• 1:01:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: It has to be.
• 1:01:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: And like this, I don't believe most of that story was out.
• 1:01:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I have never heard anyone's visit.
• 1:01:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Not to not say that it hasn't happened, of course.
• 1:01:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I've never personally heard or read about mangled bodies from the crash.
• 1:01:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, not, not in that specifics.
• 1:01:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like you obviously heard that there were casualties of the crash, they'd recover dead bodies, but nothing to that.
• 1:01:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: But he didn't even, even with that.
• 1:02:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that is still like a taboo point that gets made once in a while in the Roswell crash.
• 1:02:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I guess I just feel like,
• 1:02:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: When I have heard about bodies, it was more of like an assumption, rather like in this book, it's fact.
• 1:02:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was, I was kind of trying to figure out how to word that when you were saying it like, if, if you look at their being bodies as fact,
• 1:02:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's just that much more shit that they have to explain away, yeah, they have to have a cover cover story for because like where are if there's bodies where are they what are they doing with them.
• 1:02:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the other.
• 1:02:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I think that's why it was kind of just.
• 1:02:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: put out there in the narrative a little bit that there were bodies recovered, you know, as opposed to being in more detail, which leads more credence to the truth of there being bodies found.
• 1:03:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:03:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's, it's crazy that especially, like me, personally, who's always been interested
• 1:03:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: the subject and UFOs and shit and I've looked into some off the wall, uh, lesser known cases.
• 1:03:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: And this one is the, the A number one king of New York case of all UFOs, and it, it's almost like you're hearing it for the first time.
• 1:03:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:03:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:03:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's how I felt listening and reading the book.
• 1:03:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Which is awesome.
• 1:03:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:03:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:03:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: I did not realize
• 1:03:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: It went that hard and that deep.
• 1:04:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: But like I said, none of this would be here without the gentleman who did the book.
• 1:04:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like hats, all, all, all credit, all, everything to those guys for doing this.
• 1:04:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's another one of those like for me, it's right up there with Stardust Ranch book.
• 1:04:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you're going to buy a book, get this one because the stories in here are fucking.
• 1:04:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's well done, extremely well documented.
• 1:04:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: it's just a fantastic, it's a fantastic piece in the paranormal literature.
• 1:04:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: and I couldn't be happier that people took the time to log it as well as they did.
• 1:04:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think what they did is insanely important for the paranormal, for the UFO community, all of it.
• 1:04:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: So all hats off to them and for what they did is it was spectacular.
• 1:04:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: I wonder if after the book came out if they had been contacted by government or military officials in a hush type of way or even if when they were doing the interviews because obviously Roswell was pretty
• 1:05:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: miced up and infiltrated with people who were in a direct link to the UFOs and shit.
• 1:05:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I wonder, people probably squawked, so I wonder if they got some some hush threats and they were just like, I'm not a bra.
• 1:05:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:05:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: I would imagine so.
• 1:05:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: Which is sick.
• 1:05:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: I would imagine so.
• 1:05:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: Sick that they were just like, we're fucking sitting in it anyway.
• 1:05:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:05:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, thanks a pair.
• 1:05:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: It takes a pair of balls to do that.
• 1:05:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's for sure.
• 1:05:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's it's been a rad series so far.
• 1:05:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: There will there's there there will be another one.
• 1:05:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm I'm gonna focus on getting one more out of it.
• 1:05:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because I got enough in the book.
• 1:05:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: As long as the book up for five, then yes, there will be one more in the series.
• 1:06:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, yeah, you heard it here first, holocolt.
• 1:06:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: You're invested now.
• 1:06:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: You're gonna have a tune in next week to get the conclusion of this Roswell saga.
• 1:06:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: How's it been?
• 1:06:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm learning a lot of stuff.
• 1:06:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just gonna sit in here soaking it all in like
• 1:06:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's pretty crazy.
• 1:06:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: It is.
• 1:06:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna.
• 1:06:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: I've got the I've got the physical copy of the book on one of the shelves I can not the dig through it because it's good man.
• 1:06:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a good read.
• 1:06:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I hope you all enjoyed it as much as I did On that note, uh, everybody have a good week.
• 1:06:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for hanging out with us.
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• 1:06:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: everywhere.
• 1:06:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Take it to Roswell.
• 1:06:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: Post it in the bar.
• 1:06:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
• 1:06:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, that being said, stay safe, stay weird.
• 1:06:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a circle back to the last ending where I told you I'll not trust the government and continue not trusting the government.