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Alien Viruses - The Armageddon Files · HOLOSKY PODCAST

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[SPEAKER_00]: 1996, Virginia, Brazil.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Something is hiding in the city.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Witnesses describe a small humanoid figure crash against a wall.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Its body looks weak.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Its skin is dark, wet, and almost oily.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Its head is too large for its body, and its eyes are enormous.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're red, but no visible iris.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hours later, another creature is allegedly encountered by two officers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They think they found an injured person, so they do what anyone would do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They pick it up and put it in their vehicle, and they take it in for medical treatment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One of those men would later become sick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A tumor would appear beneath his arm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then came the fever and pain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: His condition deteriorates rapidly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Doctors find signs of serious infection, bacterial and pneumonia, and immune system that suddenly isn't functioning the way it should, and eventually he dies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that's coincidence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the officer became sick from something completely terrestrial.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because surely, you can't catch something from an alien.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Except this isn't the first time we've heard this story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Decades earlier, another alleged file describes a medical team examining bodies of unknown origin recovered from the New Mexico Desert.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They wore protective suits, they took precautions, and it didn't matter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: According to the document, an unknown buyer is contaminated the team, and eventually killed them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And buried among those same files with something even stranger, a study of a piece of clothing recovered from one of the beings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A material appeared capable of repairing itself, one researcher decided to put it on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And almost immediately, he began seeing things, cities reduced the ruins, atomic clouds rising in a blackened sky, unidentified objects moving overhead, humanity nearly wiped out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not simply by nuclear war, but by a virus of unknown origin that attacked the immune system.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When the experiment ended, the suits were reportedly locked away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The file described them as an intelligence hazard, and written across the study was a single word, Armageddon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For three episodes, we've been asking whether something biological could a company contact with the unknown.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Tonight, we're asking a much more serious question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What if the contamination isn't accidental?
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is alien viruses, part four, the Armageddon files.
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[UNKNOWN]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If not, it is today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A document titled, Somali land.
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[SPEAKER_00]: President Eagle speaks on mysterious bomb blast, which was declassified by the CIA in 1999.
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[SPEAKER_00]: what they reported back was extremely alarming.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's bizarre too, because in the areas of these strange UFO explosions, where also rumored to be UFOs, the animals there had been acting very strange.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which is kind of ironic considering we've seen something similar in current times.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The animals in the area were not grazing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they were essentially, they said that they were stampeding all over the place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And in recent time, we had it to where the animals were not grazing and they were running in a circle for just talking forever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's very strange.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the people were having bizarre reactions to it as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of the people that were very close to this place had skin rashes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of them almost shredding the outer layer of their skin.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm assuming because it is so bad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They also suffered from stomach aches.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm gonna assume that this is lost in translation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope that it is, but aside, alongside stomach aches,
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were, it's described, they were having very unusual motions, stomach motions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So take that for whatever that means.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm assuming it's kind of like a misinterpretation, like a language barrier thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The bubble cuts could be the bubble cuts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But an interview with Eagle, they asked what had happened or what he thought had
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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, we're initially claiming that UFOs had caused this entire situation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And immediately, he denies it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He thinks it was due to a supersonic missile that had been fired, and it either detonated over them or exploded unintentionally over them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's like, listen, I'm asking, you know, all the big, big dogs, especially America,
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[SPEAKER_00]: like the people that are capable of monitoring the world to help us figure out what happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, if Saddam Hussein would have done this, it would have made headlines all over the planet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, I'm thinking a country did this, but they're in the good graces of one of these big dogs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they're kind of keeping it quiet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he's like, he almost made it sound like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just want to know what happens so we can, we can deal with the aftermath of this, and ironically enough, no one seemed to want to help to figure this out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But apparently, it ran parallel with what some of the people had experienced in their recovered bodies of Roswell.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then you have the incident in Virginia, Virginia, however you want to say it on January 20th, 1996.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Children started seeing a strange creature that looked, they described it as half human and half animal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the military sends out a truck with two soldiers in it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Apparently in our later, they spotted the creature and
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[SPEAKER_00]: actually captured it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They used basically like a big throw net to throw over top of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they said the creature didn't really put up much of a fight and they ended up shoving it inside a wooden box.
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[SPEAKER_00]: as it would be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love the mental image of an alien finally making its earth and he gets captured in the most loony tunes way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: However, the most wily coyote way ever be a thrown at and shoved into a box.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, when they describe it, then throwing it inside a box, I'm like, this is just ridiculous, but a very ridiculous, the first part where very much sounds like some sort of radiation contamination because you hear that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: at places like Skinnwalker Ranch where the cattle will refuse to graze at certain places or where there are cattle mutilations that take place, the other cattle will refuse to graze like within that acre of crop land there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it feels very similar to congregations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But with this, this animal that they had placed inside the box, they said,
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[SPEAKER_00]: As they were placing it inside the box, it was homing of faith's faint sound, which is just a kind of an unended description.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, really know why it was humming.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that was the way I was trying to communicate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it was in pain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But later that day, around 3pm, 3 young women would be the main witnesses to this case.
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[SPEAKER_00]: On their way home, they spotted a bizarre looking creature and it seemed to be in a great deal of pain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was crouched and leaned against a wall of a car
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[SPEAKER_00]: They said it had large bulky, littlest eyes that were red with no irises.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Its head was much bigger than the body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They said its skin was covered in the thick, shiny, wet substance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They said the creature also had like these bumps on its head and they almost described it looking like horns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It basically just scared to shit out of the women.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even later in the day around six to seven o'clock, two officers would experience something unusual as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: By this time, the story from the three women was in heavy circulation in the area.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And these two dudes were ordered a patrol area where a unusual rain had occurred.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As they were doing this, they noticed something moving in the shadows that ended up cutting across
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[SPEAKER_00]: which the men instantly break, get out and start to investigate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They said the animal looked hurt or too weak and it went into a nearby pasture.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As they approached the creature, they noticed it was, it wasn't an animal at all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a person, but a very different and weird one as, as it gets described.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They thought it was a naked, deformed person who was dying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they'd pick it up and they put it in the back of their car and take it to a nearby first aid station.
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[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're the attendant was appalled at the site.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So much so dudes like, nope, he ain't bringing that motherfucker in here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not happening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's too long.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Get it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Two of these for here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So at the man inside the first day's aid station was so scared by what he he said he's he's he's he's like listen listen guys I'm not trying to get into any trouble here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You need to take that thing to either the hospital or the mother fucking zoo One of the two get it out of here
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[SPEAKER_01]: out of my pay grade.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I love how the zoo is above his pay grade.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's like, I'm not handling it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I wish I would iterate a little more on the strange rain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and this behavior is weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it didn't at all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They just said they were sent out to investigate an unusual rain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So just fun bizarre.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, man, I wish it to, I need to, that's, we haven't done the Virginia counter yet, which is another big one that we need to look into.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's why I kind of, I kind of just pop through these two cases.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm more using them with the reference of these side effects that people end up having because it fits the overall narrative of viruses or infections.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I bet when we get to that, when we get to that and do some deep diving, we can probably figure out what was going on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's very interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's tied in with with the UFO encounter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because at that time, the Brazil, Brazilian military ended up opening their own investigation into UFOs because they were having so many in that time frame.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They could call it like operation saucer or something like that, and like I said, they were just looking into all the UFO cases.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I bet there's a ton of fucking information.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, especially if you start looking at operation saucer and shit like that, especially in the early 90s was a, Brazil was a hot spot for UFOs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So,
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[SPEAKER_00]: the two men end up taking this thing to the hospital or they tried, they're very best to keep it alive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, as you could imagine, it would didn't take long for the hospital before police and military personnel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The alien was having trouble.
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[SPEAKER_00]: breathing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they, they kind of did what anybody would have guessed to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they put oxygen mask on it and start pumping oxygen into it, which accelerates it's death.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is made die faster.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oops.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they fucked that up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: At this point, they sent the body to the hospital humanities.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dr. Fernando, who is responsible for ER patients, was actually barred from getting in
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[SPEAKER_00]: wearing medical gloves in an apron, but he saw the body afterwards, which he testified too, but in an upchanging story later on, that, uh, or no, he ended up testifying on January 22, the military headed out with two boxes in the back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One was the dead body and the other was something living.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One of them were taken to an underground laboratory on the premises of the state university.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now at this point, everyone was basically living at Unicamp and on the 26th, the American military ends up showing up, including some NASA officials.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The cover for this was that the America was contacting Brazilian scientists to get them to participate in future space missions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was the excuse as to why the military and NASA show up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: at this unicamp, where the reported two bodies were.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's very ironic timing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Future space missions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I was like, why is NASA hanging out with the military now?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's ugly, alien.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That, I guess, could have been in a zoo.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that's it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's probably what they do to abductees on other planets.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, just throw humans in zoos.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why not?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So one of the men who had captured one of the creatures and tried to take it to the hospital ended up dying of an infection after touching the alien, which was specified in the acroxy report.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However, his death certificate said no defined cause for death.
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[SPEAKER_00]: took the alien to the hospital, he ends up finding a tumor under his armpit, he was also having a severe pains in his back and was taken to the hospital, he ended up having surgery and got that tumor removed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: On the tenth, he was having pains in his back and now having a high fever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he goes back to the hospital.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They run some tests that can't find out what's wrong with him and transfer him out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: On the 16th, he died of acute respiratory deficiency.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Step, septipus, tisma, and a bacterial pneumonia with further inspection.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They found, uh, Jesus, these big medical words.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you are a doctor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I speak how doctors write is what happens.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like looseatosis or something like that nailed it left deviation and toxic
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[SPEAKER_00]: You true, Phyllis, yes, which are all signs of basically it all boils down to this dude was loaded with tons of infections.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He ate a toxic nutrient bar pretty much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They ended up giving him two separate antibiotics, not enough, they kind of estimated that the dude had at least three massive infections.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so they start pumping full of antibiotics, wasn't enough, but are still nice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They also because of this, they tested him for HIV because they're like the only way this happens is he's got to have some type of immunodeficiency.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's test him for HIV and see if that was the cause of this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They ended up finding a urinary tract infection caused by interobacteria, also a lung infection, they think he contacted the immunodeficiency, although they had no idea how it happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As the story unfolds, they start finding other strange things out as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A woman actually spotted a creature near the zoo, well, in the weeks of April, several animals at the zoo,
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[SPEAKER_00]: they get them sent off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If I find out that they had a caustic toxin inside of them, a month later on May 19th, Hildo Gardingo.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This dude was driving home, spots a creature in the headlights.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was trying to run across the road from a farm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It basically gets out in front of the car.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The lights are bright, throws its arm like, oh, fuck, blind me, dude.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Turns around, runs back into the bushes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dildo just guns it tries to run them down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the woman who had seen the creatures before are the women.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you you go backwards to the first three the first three women will they start
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[SPEAKER_00]: They start getting approached by a four men that I'm assuming they dressed like the military, but they had no military markings, but they started offering the women large sums of money to go public and deny their initial story, the women are like, nope, not doing it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The local government actually started to do internal investigations after these encounters to figure out who was involved in this mess.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, at this point, people were going in on trying to cover this up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The women were getting approached UFO investigators in the area were getting mysterious phone calls.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One investigator stumbled onto a doctor that I guess had been attempting to help the creature.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said when they were in the room and he started to examine the body,
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[SPEAKER_00]: He, I don't only know exactly like how this, this pan's out, but he said his, his hands were automatically driven.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said the lights in the room also seemed to change to almost a yellowish color.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He also said it appeared that the perception increased somehow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't, it didn't really
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[SPEAKER_01]: his hands were automatically driven like almost like something had taken over.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I agree with that for him to do the work on the creature maybe and his perception was increased almost like you would think that that means like his senses were enhanced.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, that's kind of what it feels like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: which also kind of infers that something was like tapping into his consciousness into his psyche to help try to save this thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's a valid point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That definitely makes a lot of sense to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's also weird that
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[SPEAKER_00]: It had to be a big enough of an issue with these guys getting infections and dying and the animals having weird toxins and dying that this bizarre group of men start harassing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's almost like a lesser tone down men and black coming to silence witnesses because they said they really didn't do threats.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They just offered money and we're just trying to like, in one case, they were, it'd be like them approaching Steve and being like, hey man, could you just like talk to Kyle and, you know, just get him to change his story, please.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't see a ugly stinky alien.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was, that was a groundhog.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was a hairless groundhog with horns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Stinky oily.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Horny.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, see, he was, he was, he remember he was found at the the car repair shop.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He probably fell into used oil from old chains.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, yep, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That weird rain happen, which was probably just an airplane flying over, yeah, with an oil leak, it happens all the time, yeah, we've solved it, here's 50 grand show your mouth, I mean, 50 grand goes one way, yeah, 50 grand Brazilian money, I don't know what that it played to, but it sounds like a lot, I don't know either, a lot, all right, so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This next segment is like a straight short-lived, there's not a lot of meat here, but it's good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you don't have to have a lot of meat as long as you've got good meat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you're going to like this Steve.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think you're going to like this, so it's out there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: already hopped up on mucenx?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hell yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm on an alternate timeline right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hell yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there was a researcher named Philip Duke.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Duke, the Duke, who went in on the idea.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But which we could agree with?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I already do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, actually we can't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't agree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just so good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just want to like, just want to marinate in it for a minute and like my knowledge of what's about to happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's so good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this this Duke dude.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He goes in and apparently this dude's a fucking doctor too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's he's a PhD.
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[SPEAKER_01]: with the name like the Duke, the Doctor Duke.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would not think that was a fucking seriously if I had to call him Doctor Duke.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would only call him Doctor Duke.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd say I can get the fuck out of here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he goes in on the idea that both catamutallations and abductions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you guys ready?
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[SPEAKER_00]: They are at plot
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and it gets better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's hear, let's take a look at the web.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're spin-in, Dr. Duke.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a short web.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you sound like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm sure, I'm sure, if I like it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure if I really, which I might do that at some point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If I really want to get into it, because the theory doesn't seem to be extremely elaborated in the book here, but...
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, catamulation's abductions are a plot of conquer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why and how you may ask?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why and how, Dr. Duke?
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[SPEAKER_00]: One in which extra terrestrials were aiming to give the entire population of the human race.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Drumroll, please.
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[SPEAKER_00]: HIV.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dr. Duke, oh, is convinced that aliens had a master plan of conquering the world, a given them all, AIDS.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Duke or HIV, I should say.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Duke says that Academy relations are logically explainable only as extraterrestrial activities.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He says the body materials taken, all
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[SPEAKER_00]: except the ear, which may contain a locator device.
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[SPEAKER_00]: cattle are actually mutilated to harvest HIV antibodies and virus from blood and quantity and to obtain information relating to possible HIV transmission in humans by study of the materials taken from corresponding cattle mutilation sites.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Duke asks, why did the aliens want the relatively
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why are they going to such trouble to obtain these materials and quantity?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What uses might they be put to?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dr. Duke, naturally answers his own questions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: According to the work of Dr. David Jacobs, some abductees will be usefully employed prior to and during the colonization process, which would make it logical to protect them from HIV.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, it may protect the aliens themselves from HIV infection, even more so if HIV were able to become more transmissible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The gray aliens may require ongoing, sizable production and research sources of the virus and its antibodies for new strains.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He goes on to explain that it makes the most sense in conquering our planet, because if they openly attack us, we would fight back and most likely push that big red button and send them nooks out with the quickness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The more reasonable tactic, it's a sending a bio weapon that will take us out and when we have depleted numbers, the alien colonization will begin.
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[SPEAKER_00]: which, of course, has been of high debate because some people point to finger at the United States government for creating and deploying it as a bio-weapon, but according to reports that was actually disinformation from the Soviet Union's KGB, which apparently was publicly admitted by Russian Prime Minister in 1992.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In the mid-1980s, they were actually confused on how the AIDS virus,
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[SPEAKER_00]: had come to be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They all collectively believed it wasn't man-made, and have since then have come to believe that it was from a subspecies of a virus that commonly infects the western equatorial African chimpanzees.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In the book here, there's an entire chapter on what has been happening in curtain times.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's rather bizarre.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, let me see here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I might be going too far.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, I'm going to do far.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So back that up to the the AIDS theory.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, um, lots of unpack here, Dr. Duke.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, there's yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Couple of things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Couple of things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: isn't HIV not not fatal anymore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like then we pretty much squash that like magic Johnson and all that I would think so pretty much pretty much much squashed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, and you got to think that the book was written in like 2004 or something like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then this this research Dr. Duke was probably doing his stuff back in the like 80s 90s.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would I would say that safe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll give that a free pass kind of, we won't, but also I love, I love how he just conveniently was like they're taking all of the organs of the cattle that have all of the HIV antibodies in them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the ears that don't, what they have tracking devices in them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a smooth, smooth cover, smooth transition.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Love it, love it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Also, how, you've got to beets around the bush on this one, how we all get infected.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably, I would assume through the abducted process.
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[SPEAKER_01]: barely an intercourse because he maybe that's worthy maybe it's where the rectal probing comes from he says that they need antibodies for themselves to protect themselves from the virus so if they're giving us the virus he does he does emphasize that in the case that it becomes more transmissible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it doesn't elaborate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't quite elaborate on that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm assuming he means that he has a way of thinking that HIV could become airborne or touch-based.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever the case may be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's touch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's touch-based.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dr. Duke's a freak.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's hoping that aliens are a freak.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but what I mean since this is what when does this happen when does this happen when does this happen when do we all get HIV and the aliens take over?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ben, man, a minute.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, obviously that theory has since fallen apart.
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[SPEAKER_01]: every time you say Dr. Duke, I cannot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sounds like a failed Marvel supervillain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think they're Duke.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And to be honest, I mean, I feel like that's probably a pretty accurate description.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I kind of feel like Dr. Duke might have been a little bit prejudiced.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like he, you know, had a couple screws loose.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was sitting there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Probably summon through Fate Magazine, reading up on catamulation, thinking he was just fucking cooking, thinking he's like, I got this shit figured out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, are cutting out bullainuses, trying to give us all HIV, trying to save themselves from catching it when we bang them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm, solved.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now we can reverse engineer the virus to get in front of the Armageddon alien takeover.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So technically he probably saved us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe maybe he manifested it in a broke timeline.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dr. Dr. Duke.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't get the credit he deserves because it doesn't deserve it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's a jackass.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was not that great of a theory.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it was like great of a theory.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like I said, you know, we had to be sitting there thinking just like we're on to something boys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're on to something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Got the tongues out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cutting the butt holes out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Make an antibodies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Protect ourselves when themselves daily and say he might be an alien.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know personally.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean that would make more sense Yeah, sometimes Sometimes I just love being a part of the UFO scene because I damn there are some wacky noodles in here Oh, yeah, and then I'm here for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like here and to crazy
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't agree with that at all whatsoever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I thought it would be a decent conversation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cowbutt holes to take over the universe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It only makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not the ears.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Years of tracking devices.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bovan booty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the name of this episode.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so we're going to move forward.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This phrase is crazy in the net.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, maybe it's crazy good, though And it's a special way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's extremely relatable to current times and Steve was actually gonna do an episode of Fast times of where this has happened before and I'm not gonna get crazy into it because it is a huge fucking chapter But in the book
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[SPEAKER_00]: In the early 2000s, and I don't know, I'm interested to Steve will know if this is what he was going to do an episode on from the prior, but I believe the time frame you gave me was much earlier because recently we had the missing slash dead scientists, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What time frame was that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you remember where all the other scientists went the fucking the missing British scientists?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was late 80s early 90s.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What I thought that's what I thought.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So in this book, there is another case of missing scientists essentially, but it is a massive string in the
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[SPEAKER_00]: that die or go missing in all in very close strings like one would die now and then within like say nine days another one would die or a couple of them would die.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's really, it's really interesting because all it really does is it goes through all of these microbiologists that end up dying and going missing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it'll kind of tell you what happened to each one of them like some like three of them would be on the plane, the plane magically crashes, they they perish and then you know four days later, you know cross the planet here's another screen of microbiologists that died so it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just wanted to point out that it's, it's fucking weird that there was, you know, Steve track one in the 80s, 90s of a string of scientists that go missing or die.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, red fern has a string of scientists in the 2000 microbiologists that go die or missing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we just recently had the massive flap of scientists that go die or missing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's just seems like there's a playbook for this shit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: it is weird that it goes in waves like that because it could be it could be that they figured something out that they shouldn't be figuring out or maybe they're on to figuring it out because there was in the chapter I think it theory read one of the questions that was asked was what if it was possible these guys created a massive bio weapon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: from alien DNA and they all start getting marked that way nobody else can recreate this bio weapon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, because that was kind of the thing with with the last spat of scientists that went missing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They all thought that maybe that they were privy to knowledge of some sort of a comet or asteroid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's heading toward Earth that they're
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[SPEAKER_01]: up and up, and they were getting ready to whistle blow it so they just started picking them off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the one that I was talking about with the, it's the call at the Star Wars scientists, where in the early 80s, Reagan came out with this plan, this defense mechanism to ward off asteroids and comets and stuff, but in reality, people think that it's a defense system against extraterrestrials, a lot of scientists that were working on that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: got got in mysterious ways in the late mid to late 80s 86 and up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I believe that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would believe that definitely that we would have created a defense system against outside forces.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, and national security has an open checkbook.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to move to a different section.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is this is good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Guys are like this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this particular segment follows a man who is referenced as John.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully it's brother John but at the same time I'd be a little pissed because he didn't come to us with the story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even though he did tell me that he got to meet someone that works at
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[SPEAKER_00]: His story starts saying that he worked for the New York Police Department, and that he and others in the department helped the FBI in hunting down a Soviet spiring that was targeting and infiltrating a defense related company within the city.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, go ahead.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If I could picture Brother Dirt John doing anything, it's hunting down Soviet spirings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, hardly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Say that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We may have just figured out who lines up John.
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[SPEAKER_00]: John is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if it's by an eye later, it's awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It lines up perfectly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It really does.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you talk to him, you wouldn't think like this guy is out there taking down the KDB.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I believe that back and you look at it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're like.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the perfect guy wait a minute I mean seriously have you seen the guy with the way grows his hair out I mean yeah have you seen him with a do we're I going yeah oh so be aspiring sees that they probably just throw in the towel yeah we're good they know he's coming they just fly back to Russia he looks like the perfect like 80s action star is the perfect 80s action star I mean dead serious yeah you
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, flawlessly hard ass yeah good stuff good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's wise here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's wise here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank we All right, so from there John leaves the department, but he says he still does jobs for the FBI from time to time
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[SPEAKER_00]: all would seem to kind of stem in the same field of finding Soviets that were targeting military information.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In 1971, he was approached and asked if he wanted to do some contract work for an armament of the of intelligence community that operated out of Nevada.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was drawn in by the fact that they told him, they're like, hey, the pay is very, very good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's only going to be a
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they told him that it would actually help him make contacts in the intelligence community, which will overall help his career in the future.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, except of the position from there, he went through a very, he said it was a very rigorous background check and went through four interviews.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One was from the
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I don't think I messed that up, but then he auto-correct and fucked up on me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One was, one was definitely from the, uh, somebody from the NSA and twice by, he just said it was representatives from an unnamed agency.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, big, big time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Big time alphabet boys there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And John thinks that his bachelor status actually ate it in him getting this job because they said that during his time on this contract, you will, you will be on site for 27 days at a time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you get three to four days off
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[SPEAKER_00]: how many days are in the month.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to work at least 27 straight.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Better be paying me real good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now he said where he ended up working is now referenced as area 51.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He would be flown out by a small aircraft that had blacked out windows.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When he was on base, they put these, he said they put goggles on him, that would super fuck up his vision.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said that it had split lenses, almost like they were bifocals.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The top section was like a heavy blur, and then he said, you had a very small picture at the very bottom of the goggles that were clear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they'd have those on, they would get off the plane, go and be put on a bus with black out windows until they reached location.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Once he got there, he said it was a small, a very small concrete building and the security of the door was extremely strict.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When you entered the building, it was a bare concrete room and when the goggles came off,
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[SPEAKER_00]: an entrance to an elevator and the entrance to a concrete staircase that goes down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said they would take either over depending, you know, sometimes they would take the elevator, sometimes they'd take the stairs, but they would always go down to two floors.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, I had no idea what was on the first floor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd go down two floors and when I got down there, there was a, are you go through another set of doors that were, and another rigorous heurty check, which would enter, are open up into a hallway that was about a hundred and eighty feet long and had six doors, three on each side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In this area, his work of his work, they were tasked with a few because he,
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[SPEAKER_00]: they got brought into this job.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were told you were going to be tasked with a few different things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to be going through files that are the development of prototype and radical aircraft, biological warfare, chemical warfare, exotic weaponry, and quote unquote, something else.
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[SPEAKER_00]: John said that something else was research into something that happened in the 1940s.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were told that John is three colleagues were employed to be custodians of historical files on all of the above subjects.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The files John touched were never allowed out of his office.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If anyone came in to see these files, they in, so if anyone wanted to come in,
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[SPEAKER_00]: and observe these files and maybe try to learn something from these files, they were allowed to take notes from these files.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But like John said, these files were never to leave this room.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the guys that would come in to look at them and take notes, they would only be able to take notes on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: bright colored orange paper and he's like, I had never seen anything like that and I have never seen anything like it since.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This specific paper set up.
50:59
[SPEAKER_01]: It's weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he thinks it was because that way if somebody wanted to make it off site.
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[SPEAKER_00]: With these notes, they would easily be able to see it in CCTV footage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to stand out like a sore thumb.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It does make sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: John, as you can, you know, and now I think about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't really elaborate if each subject was specific to an individual.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm willing to bet
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[SPEAKER_00]: that they had like all those things I listed the chemical warfare biological warfare something else exotic weaponry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All but each one of these guys may have had an experience like the files like it was a mashup of files in each room.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That way you would keep the bulk of the
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because it doesn't, it doesn't, I assumed John got the something else, but now that I said you're in think about it, it would make more sense if they kept it all broken up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That way, like it's all contained and you can't put a larger piece together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So when John, you know, prior to this, John knew only about UFOs from magazines and
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he said, people there within the facility, like heavily alluded to the fact that there were definitely bodies and UFOs on site.
52:45
[SPEAKER_00]: But John's like, I'm going to make it very clear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I never saw any of them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said that.
52:55
[SPEAKER_00]: In 1947, a well-hidden group was established deep within the confines of the American intelligence, known as Majestic 12.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then in the late 60s, it got reorganized.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Instead of it being spread across all different agencies, they ended up consolidating it and solely making this Majestic 12 operate out of Area 51.
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[SPEAKER_00]: which has only helped MJ12 because they broke apart in 1969 and became privately financed by big money and big science, which instantly makes me think of Bigelow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Also by working out of Area 51,
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[SPEAKER_00]: It has kept it hidden all these files because a lot of people debate the credibility of majestic 12 files.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, supposedly when this big shake up happened, where they can solidate it, some of the agents quote unquote, inside majestic 12 ended up going rogue.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and they took some of the documents they had, those would be the leaked documents that got out.
54:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Some of these agents, just magically went missing, are they died of mysterious circumstances, but some of them were able to get, like, very few of these documents surfaced.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And John thinks that's one of the reasons why they moved everything to Area 51 because Area 51 was almost technically off the books
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[SPEAKER_00]: And by keeping it at 51, it kept those files way out of reach of fully acts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a freedom of information.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It keeps them buried away from that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It does.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We live the transparency we live in today makes us forget that there was a time when Area 51 technically didn't exist.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes, you know, like in the 80s.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because it was a taboo thing to talk about at one point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because there was heavy debate back then that it was people would be like, no, there's a base here and people would be like, you're an idiot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's not anything there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and groom Lake and shit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You couldn't just get on Google and Google satellite image area 51 in the 80s and 90s.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People didn't even have the fucking internet back then.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was a myth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then as people's
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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of got connected and they looked it up they're like oh shit this did exist the whole time but that's yeah that's perfect cover to put everything there because like you said technically it doesn't exist it's it's exactly the public exactly and like you said it probably stayed hidden for a long fucking time until that one potent gas motherfucker went down a wrong road and goes what the fuck is this
55:58
[SPEAKER_00]: then he goes back to town and he's like, yo, Gary, you're not going to believe what's all on a desert, but look at you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, oh, buddy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then it just, you have, of course, you know, Gary's like whatever you're an idiot, but that that little bit of spark started circulating and started circulating and finally, you know, we are where we are today.
56:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, then you got, you got scientists and shit working out there that are coming back and being like, you know what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have been out there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we have been reverse engineering shit.
56:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything that you think's wrong is right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's awesome.
56:38
[SPEAKER_01]: It's easy to get, get wrapped up and forget how undercover that was back then.
56:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, for sure, for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because even me, even me, like, it didn't really resonate until you said that like there was a time and then it made me remember like reading books as a kid like Area 51 being like a taboo topic like a true taboo topic because it was it was strictly in the paranormal section like it wasn't
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was buried in the paranormal section.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was UFO mythology.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's 100% right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is what it was, and now it's real.
57:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's UFO fact.
57:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Love it.
57:21
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so John said that all these files you read had one thing in common.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The title page had clearly been ripped off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He knew because each, all these files were stapled together and you could tell that one, like the top page got ripped out because there's that little flake of paper stuck in that staple.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said that somebody took a regular piece of paper and penciled on a miscellaneous title and then just paperclip it to each of these files.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he thinks he thinks it like all
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[SPEAKER_00]: that he is going through are all MJ 12 files and that's why they all got ripped off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he thinks that all of these were acquired from a recently deceased man named James Angleton.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, there was a documenting red that was dated 1943, which is a long letter or memo of complaint from a medical man working at Los Alamos, whose team had been required to carry out certain tests and experiments on a group of unusual looking people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The doctor was complying to a military officer about the nature of what was being asked
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said that at some point in 1943, 17 people of unusual appearance were brought to Los Alamos.
58:51
[SPEAKER_00]: They all looked very alike.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bifie tall, hairless, and large heads, large eyes, and with an appearance that made them look like victims of proguria, which is rapid aging disease.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were brought to the base in a covered military vehicle and were totally naked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They walked in a slightly stiff fashion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was stressed that the eyes of these people were normal apart from their size.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were not the black eyes that so often get described.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were taken to a secret location at Los Alamos, and over the course of four months, subjected to a variety of medical tests, blood samples, skin samples, also several were taken, and they were used in radiation experiments.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were also used in bacterial logical warfare experimentation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The doctor said that the people never talked, they only made bizarre noises.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He describes it as a cross between a seal's bark and a hiccup.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Typically, that's what he described their noises as a seal's bark and a hiccup.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know really how that goes, but it's probably fucking creepy.
1:00:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd probably sound like that if they were giving me radiation and biological,
1:00:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he, any, they just genuinely felt bad because he said typically before these experiments, they would have to be restrained by military personnel.
1:00:23
[SPEAKER_00]: So these things were trying to fight back to a degree, which we almost, almost makes you fucking feel bad for them.
1:00:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is why Dr. Duke thinks that they're just going to give us all HIV.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're out here doing experiments on them.
1:00:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, he said they were fed mashed fruits and drank only water or milk.
1:00:44
[SPEAKER_00]: The doctor said that the military told him they were nothing but but malformed people.
1:00:50
[SPEAKER_00]: But the doctor highly suspected that it was a lie.
1:00:53
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, well, well, the odds be that 17 people would all be the very exact same way in the same place at the same time, all drug into this fucking secret facility, you're
1:01:09
[SPEAKER_00]: The doctor said that no one at Los Alamos knew who or what these people were, but all of them were found in the Arizona desert.
1:01:17
[SPEAKER_00]: All of these people died before the end of 1943, and their bodies had been removed by the military as they died of one by one.
1:01:26
[SPEAKER_00]: The doctor said no one was ever able to communicate with them, and he also complained how the military threatened them to never speak of this to anyone.
1:01:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Johnson, the actual lists of experiments done, uh, that, that was destroyed and no one knows where the bodies were hidden or buried.
1:01:49
[SPEAKER_01]: So that was pretty roswell.
1:01:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:01:52
[SPEAKER_00]: And they didn't make it a fucking year.
1:01:55
[SPEAKER_00]: They were brought in in 1943.
1:01:57
[SPEAKER_00]: They all died before the end of 1943.
1:02:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because they were getting radiate and freaking agent orange.
1:02:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:02:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
1:02:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Makes you wonder if Roswell crashed were them coming in to check on things maybe or could they be some sort.
1:02:20
[SPEAKER_01]: They say they just found them in the desert.
1:02:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's the that's what's going to be in the base.
1:02:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was just going around the base.
1:02:26
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't like an official
1:02:29
[SPEAKER_01]: It almost sounds like some kind of alien human hybrid, biological experiment that they're using because it's not that far fetched for to think that the government would pull people off of the street to do these things to them because they've been known to do that regardless.
1:02:48
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you have alien DNA,
1:02:51
[SPEAKER_01]: You already know what radiation does the humans, you already know what biologics do, biological weapons do to humans, if you implement alien DNA with human DNA, then you have to start all the experiments over it.
1:03:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Which kind of sounds like what's lining up there.
1:03:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree.
1:03:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
1:03:11
[SPEAKER_00]: There was another document called Autopsy's bodies on known origin 47.
1:03:17
[SPEAKER_00]: It dealt with the bodies of eight people found in the New Mexico desert in the summer of 47.
1:03:23
[SPEAKER_00]: All were substantially like the creatures had low salamos.
1:03:28
[SPEAKER_00]: He said in the document, it was it was said that eight of the bodies.
1:03:34
[SPEAKER_00]: of eight of the body's four were intact, two were autopsied, and their remains were disposed of and two were dissected, and their body parts and organs were preserved separately.
1:03:46
[SPEAKER_00]: He said the document actually referred to photographs, but the photographs had been removed from the document prior him looking at it.
1:03:55
[SPEAKER_00]: He said the document was a very detailed breakdown of the body of the body's brain, eyes, ears, skin, fingers, toes, blood analysis, limbs, teeth, all of it, they had everything in it.
1:04:08
[SPEAKER_00]: He said another one that was another one of the documents was autopsies, bodies unknown,
1:04:21
[SPEAKER_00]: which health with unknown virus that had contaminated and killed a medical team that had examined one of the bodies, all of the personnel were in protective suits, which apparently sucked because it didn't protect them from whatever this particular virus was.
1:04:42
[SPEAKER_00]: But it was stated that none
1:04:49
[SPEAKER_00]: It is possible for all, like it was almost like one of them was sick.
1:04:53
[SPEAKER_00]: One of them had the cold.
1:04:54
[SPEAKER_00]: The other ones didn't have a cold.
1:04:56
[SPEAKER_00]: They came here and we, somebody, one of these scientists caught that cold from this infected body, but it just was way worse for us.
1:05:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
1:05:10
[SPEAKER_00]: There was another document that was titled
1:05:17
[SPEAKER_00]: dash Armageddon.
1:05:19
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a document with a scientific study of the clothing that the people had been wearing.
1:05:26
[SPEAKER_00]: The clothing, the clothing was a yellowish color, one piece outfit that extended from the lower neck all the way to the bottom of the feet.
1:05:37
[SPEAKER_00]: They said it took hours to remove this clothing from the from the beings because they literally had to cut the shit off.
1:05:45
[SPEAKER_00]: It said that the suits were put together in what we would call a Velcro fashion, however, it was almost like the suits were alive or had an inbuilt memory because the fibers would automatically rebound when brought close together so much so that it would correctly rebound with the correct fibers every single time.
1:06:09
[SPEAKER_00]: So it self repaired perfectly as long as the suit
1:06:14
[SPEAKER_00]: That's crazy.
1:06:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, it gets better.
1:06:17
[SPEAKER_00]: But the rest of the file actually focuses on a member of the research team.
1:06:22
[SPEAKER_00]: A short member of the research team that decides, hey, I've got a really good idea.
1:06:28
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm short.
1:06:30
[SPEAKER_00]: They're short.
1:06:31
[SPEAKER_00]: I bet I can fit in that suit.
1:06:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't.
1:06:35
[SPEAKER_00]: So what's he do?
1:06:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody else on the team, hold the suit up and he climbs into the suit.
1:06:43
[SPEAKER_00]: He said a suit, molded to him, but due to his size, I'm assuming he was a little bit bigger whether it be in the belly or just overall, he's overall, he's probably built bigger, but he's like, even though it molded to me, it wasn't very comfortable.
1:07:01
[SPEAKER_00]: And as he has this suit on, he begins to have images start flooding his mind.
1:07:10
[SPEAKER_00]: And what he sees is a dark and frightening future for Earth in a radiated world ruined cities, huge black atomic clouds, a black sky was strange, objects flying across it, a human race reduced to minimal levels as a result of a killer virus of unknown origins, which would destroy the immune system.
1:07:33
[SPEAKER_00]: The man said that whatever these creatures were, they hated us with a passion, and they wanted to spark a nuclear Holocaust between the United States and the Soviets, which we did talk about earlier on in the series about how the Soviets had problem misidentifying UFOs and nukes.
1:07:52
[SPEAKER_00]: The rest of the team could tell he was distressed and they ended up taking the suit off of him.
1:07:59
[SPEAKER_00]: The CIA then debriefed him because the this CIA team had a particular background in psychological matters, but it also suggests that the suit might have been alive and able to connect memories.
1:08:14
[SPEAKER_00]: A note in the files of the suits were locked away and considered an intelligence hazard.
1:08:22
[SPEAKER_00]: The rest of the files he saw were very, very, very detailed ones on two crafts found in the New Mesco Desert.
1:08:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it broke down everything about the crafts.
1:08:33
[SPEAKER_00]: And he said there were, there were also hundreds and hundreds of one page memos, memos from majestic 12 members to other majestic 12 members in regards to biological and bacterial
1:08:50
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's essentially where I'm going to end the episode, but even just in those ending documents, which he doesn't elaborate on, at least in the documentation that I have.
1:09:06
[SPEAKER_00]: But it goes on to further theorize and essentially prove that majestic 12 and the United
1:09:19
[SPEAKER_00]: had very at the very least been tampering, fucking around with alien microbiology, however you want to label it, most likely trying to create biological weapons.
1:09:34
[SPEAKER_01]: And especially that last little bit does sort of lead lead credence to some of the other things that we've heard about crafts and their technology almost being sentient in its own way like somehow.
1:09:56
[SPEAKER_01]: locking into the neurological systems of whoever is operating it or whoever's wearing it to wear like it almost has its mind of its own or it's got enough of a mind that it locks into our mind and yeah because they theorized almost like it relayed to this scientist
1:10:21
[SPEAKER_00]: at least the memories are thoughts of the previous person that was wearing the suit and previous being wearing the suit almost it's almost yeah it's it's weird when you kind of pondered it's almost like I think I think it being alive is a very good description but it could also be that everything that they do is almost like a
1:10:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Like an interactive system almost like because it makes me feel like the the word I want to use for the suit is like an eye like a head and eye cloud.
1:10:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, or it's or it's specific.
1:10:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Two one singular user.
1:11:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like almost like you're the memory of a fancy cars and their seats, you know, one of those specifics and then it changes, you know, just like, Oh, this is, you know, But in this case, it would be individually for each one like it has one one set.
1:11:16
[SPEAKER_01]: the dude wanted to destroy the entire earth.
1:11:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:11:20
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, fuck this place.
1:11:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Which I get if we're over there, radiate and Asian origin.
1:11:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, homies.
1:11:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:11:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I probably want to radiate.
1:11:30
[SPEAKER_01]: I probably want to, you know, exterminate the human race, too.
1:11:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it, it's a, it's a fucking terrifying thought.
1:11:40
[SPEAKER_00]: because it's something I'd never really thought about at all whatsoever for whatever reason.
1:11:45
[SPEAKER_00]: But it is so fucking scary to think that the mad scientists of our world have gotten hold of alien biology and one of the first things they're like biological weapons bitch.
1:11:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.
1:12:00
[SPEAKER_00]: That's so fucking terrifying.
1:12:03
[SPEAKER_00]: So fucking terrifying.
1:12:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's just it's it's something I never considered and then it just Imagine had we done this episode at the beginning of 2019 Yeah, you already saw what people said when we didn't count on Count up eight eight eight eight When they were talking about you got to disinfect stuff and use white pals and shit and they're like You guys knew about it.
1:12:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, oh, we didn't we're dumb.
1:12:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah
1:12:37
[SPEAKER_01]: But, yeah, like, okay, one side of humanity's like, well, we got nuclear weapons.
1:12:43
[SPEAKER_01]: They're the sides like, oh shit.
1:12:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, look what we've done.
1:12:49
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got biological weapons.
1:12:51
[SPEAKER_00]: But you're terrifying.
1:12:53
[SPEAKER_01]: The other side's like, oh shit.
1:12:55
[SPEAKER_01]: How do we want up that?
1:12:57
[SPEAKER_01]: We got alien biological weapons.
1:13:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh shit.
1:13:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Now they're just got the one up that.
1:13:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:13:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Or it's probably going to be, hey, I mentioned an old weapons.
1:13:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Interdimensional biological weapons.
1:13:11
[SPEAKER_01]: And the scary thing is, is like, that is scary, right?
1:13:15
[SPEAKER_01]: That the powers that be have their little minions working on biological weapons, possibly a virus is out of this world.
1:13:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:13:26
[SPEAKER_01]: The other scariest thing is that there's a debris falling from space to Earth.
1:13:34
[SPEAKER_01]: All the time that all it would have to do is have one.
1:13:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Iota of a virus that survives the atmosphere.
1:13:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
1:13:43
[SPEAKER_01]: That's 100% lethal, 100% transmissible to humans to just smoke this show.
1:13:51
[SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy.
1:13:53
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, what's again, even with that, it's something I'd never really even thought about.
1:13:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Because initially, prior listening or researching into this, if somebody would have said that to me, I would have 100% been like, that shit's going to burn up on entry.
1:14:08
[SPEAKER_00]: You dumb fuck.
1:14:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Come to find out, not always, not always.
1:14:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Some of these things can survive that.
1:14:17
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is, that, I mean, sucks.
1:14:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, at which case I would be like, yeah, well, if it can survive that, it can destroy us.
1:14:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Because re-entry or entry into our atmosphere is gonna suck more than whatever I can do to it.
1:14:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:14:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of wins at that point.
1:14:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:14:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Just kind of like, oh, all right.
1:14:42
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's so scary.
1:14:45
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so scary that something that simple, a dumb fucking rock could fall onto our planet and just absolutely not even not even a big one.
1:14:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Just a small little rock.
1:14:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Make it to the ground and it could destroy our entire planet.
1:15:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's it.
1:15:02
[SPEAKER_00]: It could destroy us.
1:15:03
[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
1:15:05
[SPEAKER_01]: There's like tiny little asteroids that crash through houses and shit.
1:15:08
[SPEAKER_01]: What happened not too long ago?
1:15:10
[SPEAKER_01]: All of a need is to have like I said one tiny tiny little strand of virus on there.
1:15:16
[SPEAKER_01]: You know little little Tommy next door picks it up and starts licking it now everybody's fucking dead.
1:15:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody's dead.
1:15:28
[SPEAKER_01]: And and like we're shooting shit into space and then bringing it back.
1:15:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'll take his like shoot something out there and the virus just attached to the goddamn side of the space show I have that fuck Bring it back in here Everybody in Florida's dead.
1:15:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, everybody in where's the other space Down Texas is dead.
1:15:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Houston.
1:15:53
[SPEAKER_01]: We have a problem alien viruses
1:15:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we used to we have a big fucker problem.
1:15:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Houston.
1:15:59
[SPEAKER_00]: We are all dead.
1:16:00
[SPEAKER_01]: We have an alien epidemic.
1:16:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, 7,000 percent fatality rate and good luck finding a cure to that.
1:16:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because we didn't even aliens.
1:16:09
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we are probably aliens not now not here.
1:16:16
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's crazy dude sucks.
1:16:19
[SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy.
1:16:19
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not something I had ever considered.
1:16:21
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't want to get alien HIV.
1:16:26
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
1:16:27
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no.
1:16:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Dr. Duke.
1:16:32
[SPEAKER_01]: But that was better.
1:16:34
[SPEAKER_01]: You guys have a listen to the other three.
1:16:35
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what you're doing here.
1:16:38
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't follow instructions correctly.
1:16:39
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're going to need to go back and do that.
1:16:43
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you did, and you made it here, thanks for hanging out with us.
1:16:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Let us know what you think about alien viruses in the comments.
1:16:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about it.
1:16:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Get some discussion, get them comments flowing.
1:16:55
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1:17:03
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1:17:06
[SPEAKER_01]: We gotta do it.
1:17:09
[SPEAKER_01]: But, that being said, thanks for hanging out with us.
1:17:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Hope everybody has a great week.
1:17:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Stay safe, stay weird, and if you own some cattle and they're getting mutilated, just be prepared.
1:17:26
[SPEAKER_01]: The only NHIV might be headed your way.
1:17:29
[SPEAKER_01]: So prep up and stay safe.