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Joe Rogan Experience 2223 Elon Musk · Bedtime Stories

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  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience.
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  Speaker 2: Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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  Speaker 1: But if you want to sort of see like a
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  Speaker 1: vision of the future, it's like basically like the top
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  Speaker 1: 20 and even the top 100 is like totally dominated
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  Speaker 1: by China.
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  Speaker 2: Really?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is like China and a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: Korea and Taiwan.
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  Speaker 2: So are you in the top 20 in the world?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, in Diablo.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Do you want to tell everybody your handle? No, no,
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  Speaker 2: don't tell them.
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  Speaker 1: Don't tell them.
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  Speaker 2: It's not worth it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, they actually listed me with my actual name in
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  Speaker 1: the list.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, did they really? Oh, interesting.
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  Speaker 1: But, yeah, there's only two Americans in the top 20.
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  Speaker 1: The rest, almost everyone is from Asia otherwise.
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  Speaker 2: We were talking about something that I think is a
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  Speaker 2: really good– because people always think that video games are frivolous.
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  Speaker 2: But what you were saying I think that's really important
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  Speaker 2: is– it's so difficult that it requires you to only
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  Speaker 2: think about that and it can like relieve stress.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It can take out the rest of the world cause
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  Speaker 2: it's so hard.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You can only think about that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, if I like, if I play a
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  Speaker 1: video game on extreme difficulty, then, um, I have to
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  Speaker 1: concentrate fully on the game. Um, and it's, it's, it
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  Speaker 1: has a calming effect.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, it's sort of chills down. Um, And, uh, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you mentioned, I think many people would like, if you
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  Speaker 1: play martial arts or you play pool, like something that,
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  Speaker 1: that forces you, it's like, I think any, anything that
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  Speaker 1: forces you to concentrate fully, um, actually has a, has
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  Speaker 1: a calming effect. I've had it just sort of like, um,
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  Speaker 1: kind of a mental restoring effect.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, it's good. Jiu Jitsu is like that. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: archery is like that as well. Like when you're shooting
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  Speaker 2: a bow, you have to, it's, there's so many moving
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  Speaker 2: things and you're trying to, you have to think only
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  Speaker 2: of it, and it cleans the mind.
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  Speaker 1: It cleans the mind, yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: I was reading this study about surgeons, where they found
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  Speaker 2: that surgeons who regularly play video games make less errors.
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  Speaker 1: Well, video games require manual dexterity, so it makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: Completely makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, if somebody was like, Epic at video games. I'd
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  Speaker 1: say their surgical skills can be very good because in
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  Speaker 1: order to be good at video games, any kind of
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  Speaker 1: fast reaction video games.
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  Speaker 2: Look at this. 32% fewer errors, 24% faster, and scored
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  Speaker 2: 26% better overall than their non-player colleagues.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I believe that for sure.
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  Speaker 2: That's incredible. You should be required in medical school to
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  Speaker 2: play video games.
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  Speaker 1: Don't you think? If somebody's like, A top-ranked video game player,
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  Speaker 1: and they say they're a surgeon, I'd be like, plus one,
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  Speaker 1: plus two type of thing.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, top-ranked, for sure. But this isn't even top-ranked. This
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  Speaker 2: is just people who play.
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  Speaker 1: Well, your manual dexterity has to be extremely high. So
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  Speaker 1: you're looking at things on a screen. You're reacting, and
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  Speaker 1: sometimes you've got like 10 milliseconds to react.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And so if somebody's got incredible reaction times and manual dexterity,
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  Speaker 1: they're obviously going to be a good... Surgeon.
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  Speaker 2: Imagine if there was a course that you could take.
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  Speaker 2: That course would promote... You would be 26% better.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone would have to take that course.
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  Speaker 1: Sure.
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  Speaker 2: Why would you want a surgeon that's less prepared? You
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  Speaker 2: would say, hey, Bob, did you take this course? You
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  Speaker 2: didn't take this course. Don't you understand this course makes
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  Speaker 2: you 26% better?
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  Speaker 1: Sure. You would have to take it.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone should have to play video games if you want
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  Speaker 2: to be a surgeon.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think it certainly would be a very good
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  Speaker 1: test to see if somebody can't play video games. Well,
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  Speaker 1: that means... Because you've got to move both hands simultaneously.
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  Speaker 1: You've got to react to something very fast on screen.
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  Speaker 1: And if your keystrokes or your mouse clicks or whatever
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  Speaker 1: are wrong, then you lose the game. So if somebody
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  Speaker 1: has a good rank in video games, I would say
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  Speaker 1: that necessarily their manual dexterity must be extremely good.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's so hard.
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  Speaker 1: They find motor skills have to be excellent.
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  Speaker 2: If you think about StarCraft or any game like Quake,
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  Speaker 2: any game where a lot of people are playing, to
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  Speaker 2: rise to the top, you have to be exceptional, period,
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  Speaker 2: as a human being. There has to be something exceptional
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  Speaker 2: about you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Actually, if I'm not mistaken, Quake, way back in
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  Speaker 1: the day, I was one of the world's best Quake players.
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  Speaker 2: I know. We talked about this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I loved Quake.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. In my final semester in college, I probably
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  Speaker 1: put more time to Quake than all my college classes.
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  Speaker 2: When I was on news radio, all of the writers
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  Speaker 2: were super nerds. They were very, very fun guys. And
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  Speaker 2: they had a LAN set up at the studio where
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  Speaker 2: they all played Quake. I had never played video games.
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  Speaker 2: And I would go in with the writers and just
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  Speaker 2: kind of hang out with them. We'd get silly. And
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  Speaker 2: then we would all start playing video games and playing
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  Speaker 2: Quake against each other. And I got addicted to it.
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  Speaker 2: Like hardcore. I got a T1 line installed in my house.
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  Speaker 2: I went hardcore.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Checking how many milliseconds of latency you have.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. I was fully addicted. I was making my
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  Speaker 2: own computers. I was going to Fry's Hardware and buying
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  Speaker 2: motherboards and putting everything together. It was too much of
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  Speaker 2: a time suck, though. I'm an obsessive person. I can't
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  Speaker 2: get involved. I can't play golf.
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  Speaker 1: No, golf is too slow for me. I mean, a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people find golf good. I mean, I guess
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  Speaker 1: if you think of it like it's– I guess if
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  Speaker 1: you're saying you're going to walk outdoors with friends and
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  Speaker 1: occasionally hit a ball and it's an outdoor walk, then
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  Speaker 1: that's cool. And does require concentration when hitting the ball,
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  Speaker 1: but it's too slow for me.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing compares to video games in terms of like the
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  Speaker 2: amount of feedback you get. Like the sensory overload you
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  Speaker 2: get when you're looking at a large high-resolution screen. You
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  Speaker 2: have a fast computer. You have headphones on. You're hearing
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  Speaker 2: sounds from here and sounds behind you and rockets are
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  Speaker 2: flying by you. There's nothing like that. But I think
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  Speaker 2: golf still is like– Jamie will tell you. Jamie is
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  Speaker 2: an addict. He's a golf nut. It's super addictive and
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  Speaker 2: it takes like eight hours a day.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Once you get into golf– I guess in any sport,
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  Speaker 1: it gets too predictive. But for me, the intensity of
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  Speaker 1: video games is hard to beat.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and people dismiss it because they think it's just
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  Speaker 2: a waste of time. But we're showing real-world benefits of
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  Speaker 2: people playing video games. If you want to be a
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  Speaker 2: drone operator, it's the only game in town.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: You have to be really good at video games.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. In fact, I can actually tell... Like,
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  Speaker 1: what my mental acuity is, if I just play, if
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  Speaker 1: I play a very hard video game, so if I'm
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  Speaker 1: trying to sort of get, like, an extremely good clear
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  Speaker 1: time in Diablo or something like that, or, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a first-person shooter, whatever the case may be, like, if
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  Speaker 1: I can tell that I'm tired, or... My brain's not
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  Speaker 1: working as well as it should. It's like a mental calibration.
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  Speaker 1: You can tell immediately, like, how good is your mental state?
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  Speaker 2: Right, right.
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  Speaker 1: And, you know, so it's like if you're trying to
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  Speaker 1: play really well, if you play late at night and
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  Speaker 1: you're tired, you just play badly.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And you can say, okay, you may think that your
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  Speaker 1: brain is working well, but it isn't. Yeah. Because you
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  Speaker 1: play the video game and you're like, you suck. So, okay.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're putting it under stress. Yeah. You're really stress
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  Speaker 2: testing it.
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  Speaker 1: You stress test it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Because sometimes it's like, oh, I think I'm fine. But
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  Speaker 1: then you play the game like, okay, I'm not. I'm
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  Speaker 1: like 10% below what I should be.
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  Speaker 2: That's how I feel about workouts for sure. Like that's
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  Speaker 2: how I knew I had COVID. Or I knew everyone
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  Speaker 2: in my family had COVID. And I was trying to
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  Speaker 2: not get COVID. And so I was working out. I
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  Speaker 2: was like, something's up. Like I felt fine normally, but
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  Speaker 2: then during exercise I was like, okay, I can tell
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  Speaker 2: there's something wrong here. So let's just back off, relax.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's like people who don't stress test their mind, they
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  Speaker 2: think they're operating on the same level all the time.
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  Speaker 2: Like sometimes I come in here and I can't form
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  Speaker 2: a fucking sentence and I don't know what it is.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, what is going on? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So it's just like sleep wasn't that good or something
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  Speaker 1: like that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Something like that. Or I'm too busy. And it's just,
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  Speaker 2: it's not, the words aren't coming out. Like I know
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  Speaker 2: how to talk, talk professionally and I can't fucking talk.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, I mean, sleep is, is, is massive.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, huge.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So, uh, if I can tell me, did I
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  Speaker 1: get a good night's sleep or not? If I, if
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  Speaker 1: I just play like a video game for like five minutes,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, my sleep wasn't that good. Um, because
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  Speaker 1: it's my, my, you know, and then sometimes they don't,
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  Speaker 1: your brain will recover through the day and it's like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: like an hour or two after waking up it's better
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  Speaker 1: yeah because your brain does kind of recover from bad
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  Speaker 1: nights sleep a little bit do.
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  Speaker 2: You know what really helps creatine apparently does it yeah
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  Speaker 2: creatine is actually a nootropic believe it or not there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of like benefits of creatine.
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  Speaker 1: That are really weird are there any downsides no no it's.
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  Speaker 2: A natural part of food yeah yeah especially women for
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  Speaker 2: women apparently especially post-menopausal women it's very beneficial okay and
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  Speaker 2: uh it it But there's a lot of, like, cognitive benefits.
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  Speaker 2: And one of the big ones that they found recently
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  Speaker 2: is performance when sleep deprived. Mental performance when sleep deprived
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  Speaker 2: increases pretty measurably when you supplement with creatine.
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  Speaker 1: Is creatine naturally occurring in, like, steak?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's, like, naturally occurring in meat, I think. I
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  Speaker 2: think that's where it's coming from. I think it's primarily
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  Speaker 2: an animal-based thing. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I did switch to, like, steak and eggs for breakfast,
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  Speaker 1: and I found that's, like, a power-up.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we're all overrun with carbohydrates.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.
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  Speaker 2: And you like carbohydrates make this big crash, the rise
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  Speaker 2: and the crash, the rise and the crash. You stay
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  Speaker 2: flat if you eat like a primarily high protein, high
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  Speaker 2: fat diet.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Your body runs off ketosis.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, so I just have like steak and eggs,
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  Speaker 1: no bread or anything.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's great.
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  Speaker 1: It's great, actually. It's a power-up, I'd say.
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  Speaker 2: People dismiss this whole carnivore diet thing because in our heads,
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of propagandists that put this thing out
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  Speaker 2: there that animal agriculture is the number one contributor to
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  Speaker 2: global warming.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's rubbish. Bullshit. It's not true. Bullshit.
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  Speaker 2: It's hot bullshit.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 2: Not only is it hot bullshit, but the real problem
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  Speaker 2: is factory farming. Regenerative farming is carbon neutral if it
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  Speaker 2: doesn't sequester carbon.
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  Speaker 1: The animals are not going to make any difference to
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  Speaker 1: global warming. Like none.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's bullshit.
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  Speaker 1: Zero. Suppose zero is nothing.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think that that's just propaganda because of people
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  Speaker 2: that have a vested interest in like plant-based meat products
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  Speaker 2: and things along those lines, green energy?
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  Speaker 1: I think that's part of it. You know, you're generally
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  Speaker 1: going to get people pushing to avoid meat. Like, some
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  Speaker 1: people just, you know, maybe they've got a financial interest.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe they're just, like, vegetarians or vegans or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Ideological interests.
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  Speaker 1: Ideological reasons. But it's not going to make any difference
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  Speaker 1: to global warming or, you know, the CO2 concentration in
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  Speaker 1: the atmosphere, really, if people eat fewer steaks. It doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 1: It's irrelevant. Irrelevant. I want to just be super clear
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  Speaker 1: about that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Will not matter.
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  Speaker 1: You will not even be able to measure it. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: That's how irrelevant it is.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't it funny that that's. Unmeasurable. Irrelevant. That's heretic speaking. Like,
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  Speaker 2: that's crazy talk now. Nowadays, it's like you have to
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  Speaker 2: say that we have to eat less meat. That meat
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  Speaker 2: is bad.
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  Speaker 1: No, you can totally eat as much meat as you want.
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  Speaker 1: It's not going to make a difference.
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  Speaker 2: Sing it. Sing it. Tell the world.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. And if somebody says it does make a difference,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, how will you measure it? And if you
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  Speaker 1: can't even measure it, then it's bullshit. Yeah. Yeah. Literally,
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  Speaker 1: I won't be able to measure it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there's so much bullshit out there. First of all,
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  Speaker 2: thank you so much for buying Twitter. Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not exaggerating when I think you changed the course
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  Speaker 2: of history. I really do. I really think you made
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  Speaker 2: a fork in the road. We were headed down a
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  Speaker 2: path of censorship.
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  Speaker 1: And of.
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  Speaker 2: Control of narratives that is unprecedented. Forget about what they
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  Speaker 2: were able to do back when they had newspapers and
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  Speaker 2: the media under control. What they were doing with social
• 11:48
  Speaker 2: media by suppressing information and when you had a combined
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  Speaker 2: government effort, like what they were doing with the laptop story.
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  Speaker 2: We have 51 former intelligence agents saying that this is
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  Speaker 2: Russian disinformation. Take it offline. And Twitter complied. If you
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  Speaker 2: didn't buy that, we wouldn't have known that. We had
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  Speaker 2: no idea.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. The reason I bought it was because I'm pretty attuned.
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  Speaker 1: I was like the most interacted with user on Twitter
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  Speaker 1: before the acquisition. So before the acquisition, I had more interactions.
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  Speaker 1: There's some accounts like Obama and whatever had higher follower accounts. Uh, but, uh,
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  Speaker 1: I had the most number of interactions of, of any
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  Speaker 1: account in the system. So, um, I was very attuned
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  Speaker 1: to like, if, if they saw change, if they change
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  Speaker 1: the system, I can tell immediately like, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like something weird is going on here. You know,
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: like there's like, I just got increasingly uneasy. Um, and
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: obviously when, when they de-platformed a sitting president, you know,
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  Speaker 1: don't de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de And the things he was posting, like he
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  Speaker 1: was posting things that, like he was posting good things.
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  Speaker 1: He was saying like, hey, do not riot. Don't do
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  Speaker 1: any destruction of property. You know, please stay calm. That's
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  Speaker 1: the kind of stuff he was posting.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And you're like, what's wrong with that? And then some
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  Speaker 1: people said like, oh, that's like some sort of dog whistle.
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  Speaker 1: He means the opposite. I'm like, okay, so we'll give
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: you Trump's account. Now you post what you think you
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  Speaker 1: should post because you can post nothing. You can ask
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  Speaker 1: people to calm down. Like what? It was insane. Like
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  Speaker 1: it didn't make any sense.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's completely illogical when you say it's dog whistling
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  Speaker 2: to tell his followers to not be violent. That's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Crazy.
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  Speaker 2: That's crazy. Crazy. Don't you think they will listen to him?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't that the whole point? They listened to him and
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  Speaker 2: created violence in the first place. That's what you think.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: You're accusing him of.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And then there's the fact that we know that there
• 13:47
  Speaker 2: was agents in the crowd that were agent provocateurs that
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: were encouraging people to do illegal shit. We know that
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  Speaker 2: for a fact. That was always the big Alex Jones
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  Speaker 2: type tinfoil hat conspiracy theory. Because Alex proposed that back
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: at the World Trade Organization protests. I believe we're in
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: Seattle in the 90s. And they sent in agent provocateurs,
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  Speaker 2: started smashing things, lighting things on fire. Now all of
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: a sudden a peaceful protest is no longer peaceful. They
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: move in the cops. They shut everything down. They had
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: it set up where it was a no protest zone
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  Speaker 2: where you couldn't even have a pin that had the
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  Speaker 2: WTO with a red line through it. They wouldn't let
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: you go in through to go to work. So you
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: couldn't exercise your First Amendment rights. You couldn't even like
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: have a peaceful protest, a fucking sticker on your car.
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: You couldn't have that. It's crazy.
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: It is crazy. So, no, I think we're very much
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: at a fork in the road in politics. And, you know, so,
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, the reason I did the quarter acquisition was like,
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: it's like, man, if I don't do this, I think
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: we're screwed is the issue.
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: Well, if you didn't do it, no one else was
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: going to do it because it wasn't a financial winner.
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: It was kind of a crazy move.
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: It's a crazy move. I mean, the thing was way overpriced. And,
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: you know, like long-term, I think we can ultimately make
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: it a win for investors. But, boy, this is... this
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: is a hard way to make a living.
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: Well, there's also a concerted effort to suppress it. There's
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: a concerted effort to the advertisers.
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: Well, we, we, we had a, I still have a, um,
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: a massive advertiser boycott that was organized by a bunch
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: of left wing NGOs. Like, uh, you know, and, and
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: you always want, and I should have, I should have
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: brought my, um, I have a hat make all well
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: fiction again.
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: I've seen that.
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I should have brought, I was going to wear my,
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: I should have brought my make all well fiction and
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: how to, um, Yeah, I mean, it's just totally totally
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: nuts So.
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: If you didn't do it, no one would have and
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: here's the hilarious narrative that I keep hearing from idiots
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: Elon's a bad businessman Twitter is worth, you know 400%
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: less than when he bought it No, it wasn't worth
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: that in the first place.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: It wasn't worth on the first place It wasn't worth.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: 44 billion dollars you fucking morons like wrong and also
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: you're not taking into account the advertiser boycott exactly That's
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: total bullshit.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So There are these organizations, like you can
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: tell there's like, they're like, when they have an Orwellian name.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: So like the Center for Countering Digital Hate is a
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: total scam organization, you know, because they're like the Ministry
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: of Truth type of thing in Orwell. You know, they're like,
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: they're a censorship organization.
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: And they organized and they pushed the advertisers to boycott.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: So we still have, like some of the boycott is
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: starting to lift. And I think if Trump wins, we'll
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: see probably most of the boycott lift. But if Kamala wins,
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: we'll see that boycott get stronger. And they'll friggin' shut down.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: There's no way that the Kamala regime would allow X
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: to exist.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: You really think that they'll be able to shut it down, though?
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: Is there a pathway to that?
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: What would they do?
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, they can just take the DOJ on...
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: They've had this whole thing about hate speech, misinformation, whatever,
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: except they're the ones pushing the misinformation. But that doesn't
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: stop them from filing massive lawsuits and using the DOJ.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: The DOJ has been attacking SpaceX, for example, for not
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: hiring asylum seekers, even though it is legal for SpaceX
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: to hire anyone who is not a permanent resident of
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: the U.S. So we're damned if we do and damned
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: if we don't. This is just an example of what
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: the DOJ can do.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: So it's illegal to hire someone who's not an American citizen.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: SpaceX is considered an advanced weapons technology. So it's covered
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: by international traffic and arms regulations because we make rocket
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: technology that can be used against the United States. It's
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: like if North Korea or Iran got SpaceX rocket technology,
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: they could use that to launch nukes at America.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: That would be bad. Yeah.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: That would be really bad.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: That would be really bad. So since we are in
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: like the... most extreme category of weapons technology at SpaceX, um, under, uh,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: US ITAR law, it is, uh, illegal for us to
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: hire anyone who's not a permanent resident because the presumption, um,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: is that if they're not a permanent resident, they're going
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: to return to their, uh, home country and take the
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: rocket technology with them. So that's, and so, so it's
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: illegal for us to hire, um, anyone who's not, either has,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: not a permanent, they can, they can be, have a
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: green card or be a citizen. They just have to
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: be a permanent resident of the United States. Um, Then
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: there's another law that says if you discriminate against asylum seekers,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: you're also breaking the law. So the DOJ can only
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: do a small number of big lawsuits every year. They
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: launched a giant lawsuit against SpaceX saying that SpaceX discriminated
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: against asylum seekers. And we're like, but it's illegal for
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: us to hire anyone who's not a permanent resident. So
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: we're in this, this is what I mean, it's like, Orwell,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: the Orwell situation is getting insane. Like you're damned if
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: you do and you're damned if you don't. So you're damned.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine history looking back at when you watch
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: the robot arms catch the rocket and you realize like
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: this is like one of the greatest accomplishments in the
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: history of aerospace. Like it is one of the most
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: wildest accomplishments. When you watch that thing come and you
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: see all those people cheering and it catches it perfectly,
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: like holy shit. Imagine how history is going to look
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: back at the DOJ going after that company.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: How insane it is.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: It was a big lawsuit with an army of lawyers.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: This was not some minor thing.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: But it doesn't even make any sense logically. It doesn't
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: make any sense. Like, how could it even get brought
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: to court if it's illegal?
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Exactly. So that's what I mean. Like, basically, if the
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: government wants to go after you, they'll just find a reason.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like that famous quote from Beria. You know, like, Stalin's, like,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: chief torturer. The head of Stalin's secret police, and he's, like,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: chief torturer, truly evil human being. Like, this guy Beria.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: One of his famous quotes was, show me the man
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: and I'll show you the crime. Right. They decide that
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: you're the target and then they figure out the crime afterwards.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: That's the issue. They decided SpaceX was the target. They
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: just figured out the crime afterwards.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Which is so crazy because that's exactly what they're saying
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Trump is going to do if he gets into office.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: They're doing all the things that they accuse Trump of doing.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Openly.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Openly.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, the sheer number of hoaxes that the Democratic
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Party is pushing over and over again. And it's like, look,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: I understand like politicians are going to exaggerate. They're going
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: to misspeak. And they'll tell occasional untruths, whatever. That's how
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: it is in politics. But when you have deliberate, concerted,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: repeated pushing of hoaxes, You're like, wait a second. Like,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: come on, man. This is too far.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: And you're supposed to be the good guys.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: And you claim to be the good guys? I'm like, exactly.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: You're supposed to be the progressives.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Yes. The Dems are like, oh, we're the good guys.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: We're the honest people. No, no. Hang on. You can't
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: claim to be the good guys. You can't claim to
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: be the honest people if you're deliberately pushing hoaxes that
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: have been debunked thoroughly.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Like even Snopes, which is a liberal thing, says it's bogus.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Like the fine people hoax.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Obama just said that on stage. Obama just said that.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: I was like, what the flying fuck? He doesn't give
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: a fuck. He doesn't give a fuck. They're just going
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: for it.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: That's a flat out goddamn fucking lie.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Flat out lie. Flat out fucking lie. How about the
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: other one where Kamala's campaign used what Trump was saying
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: about protecting women from illegal immigrants?
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: You remember that? Yeah. What he was saying is, if
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: the women like it or not, I'm going to do it.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: When he was saying that, they were trying to say
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: that he was taking away women's right to choose whether
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: women like it or not. Like, that's not what he
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: was saying.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: He was literally talking about protecting them from dangerous people
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: that are sneaking in through the border.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. They'll take, like, not even a full sentence,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: like a half a sentence from Trump. Yes. And then
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: they'll push it on every ad, every, you know, every
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: speaking event.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: And it gets repeated on the news.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: This is what's crazy. They'll talk about it on these
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: new shows, quote new shows.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. I mean, um, I mean a recent one that,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: that came up, um, which had a lot of people,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: because a lot of people reached out to me. It
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: was like, they're like, Oh, Trump says he wants to
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: execute Liz Cheney. I'm like, that is utter bullshit.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: It's not what he said at all.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: It's not what he said at all. He, all he
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: said was like, it was like, what he's saying is that, look, if,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: if Liz Cheney, uh, actually had to fight at the
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: front lines should think twice about going to war.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Like it's easy to go to war. It's easy to
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: be a warmonger if you don't have to, you know,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: risk dying at the front lines. Like if other, like
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: basically it's fucked up if people are having like fancy
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: dinners in Washington, D.C. while people are being slaughtered in trenches.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like, you're not feeling the pain. You're
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: not taking the risk. It's someone else dying. That's cruel
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: and lacking in empathy. And all Trump was saying was
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: that Liz Cheney would be much less of a warmonger,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: because she's a huge warmonger, just like her dad, if
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: she actually had to go to the front lines and
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: fight herself.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: And meanwhile, they're saying that he's saying she should be shot.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Yes, which is a total lie. But I had tons
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: of people call me this weekend saying, oh, Trump says
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: he's going to put Liz Trani in a firing squad.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: I'm like, that is an outrageous lie. And legacy media
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: ran with that lie big time.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy. It's just wild to see. And if
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: it wasn't for Twitter or X now, I don't think
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: we would know about all this stuff. I think it
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: would be very difficult for you.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: YouTube throttled. They did something weird. They won't say what
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: they did, but they did something weird with the Trump
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: interview that I did.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Where you couldn't find it.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense. It made no sense. I mean,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: it was like the biggest interview on earth. Yeah. And
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: you can't find it? Yeah.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Not only that, it wasn't trending. Bullshit. It wasn't trending.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: It wasn't trending. It wasn't trending.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: You're like.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Like there's just no excuse for that, man. No excuse.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: There's no excuse.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: It was getting a million views. What was it? 1.4
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: an hour at one point in time?
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: 1.5.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: 1.5 an hour.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: And it wasn't trending.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And it's like your channel is a known channel.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: It's not like it was started yesterday. It's like this
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: is a high trust. Yours is a high trust channel.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: It's like you're not trying to sell scam crypto coins
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: or something, you know.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: So well, thank God we put it on X as well. Yeah,
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: because I think just with your account of my account
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: alone It's like 70 million views.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah Well, it's like you can't hide things anymore because
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: of you and if it wasn't for you I think
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: they would have had total control of social media by
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: now Yeah, there's a threat they've banned so many accounts
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: during the pandemic so many dissenting scientists and doctors and
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: physicians they banned so many conspiracy theorists so many people
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: that colored outside the lines and They would have done
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: that everywhere, and it probably would have– I think even
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: what's going on at Facebook, they're being more lenient. You
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: hear Zuckerberg talking about taking a more libertarian stance. That's
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: entirely reaction to the way Twitter has kind of moved
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: the watermark.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Exactly. So as soon as any company steps out of
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: line and is willing to actually have the truth debated
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: on their platform, it forces the other platforms to allow
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: things to be more truthful to Twitter. Not censor. Because
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: their censorship becomes glaringly obvious.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yes.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: And, you know, the best thing I found for as
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: a rebuttal, like if there's a hoax, is just go
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: to the source material.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: If somebody thinks, you know, Trump said that we should
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: put Liz Cheney in a firing squad, I'm like, let
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: me send you a link to X so you can
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: watch his video. That's the best way. Yes. Don't take
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: my opinion for it. Don't take anyone's opinion for it.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Go to the source material and community notes.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Yes. And community notes is the best. It's awesome.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: It's incredible because everybody gets checked.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Yes. Including me.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Um, and with community notes, the, all the software is
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: open source and all the data is open source. So
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: you can recreate any given note independently.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: That's amazing.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: That's how it's, that's how it should be.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Total, absolute transparency in every way. Um, You know, sometimes
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: I get asked like, oh, can you remove a note,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: you know, mostly by the left, but sometimes by the right.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't even remove notes on my own account, nothing.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: And by the way, everything is totally open. So if
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: I did that, it would stick out like a sore
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: thumb immediately. Like it's not going to be subtle.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: That is the best counter to misinformation.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Like let everybody look at it and say, okay, here's
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: what the actual facts say. Yes, exactly.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: The counter to misinformation is better information.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Not just that, but having it checked in real time
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: by the community. So you have millions of people that
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: can go over it and debate whether or not this
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: is true or that's true.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Yes. And like I said, the best way to understand
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: the truth of things is don't take anyone's opinion for it.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Look at the source material. So it's like look at
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: what someone actually said. Look at what someone actually did.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Look at the real videos of the situation. And then
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: you can actually– you'll know what's real.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: So as of today, when you were a literate on
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: your way here, you sent me this text saying that
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: they're trying to lock you up in jail, Pennsylvania. Tell
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: me what the fuck is happening.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, there's the classic sort of Soros DA situation. Um,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: so we're, we're making a lot of progress in Pennsylvania. So, uh,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: you know, I've been, I've given a whole bunch of
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: talks throughout the state because Pennsylvania is the linchpin in
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: this election. You know, whoever wins Pennsylvania wins the election. So, um,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: So I've been giving, I spent three years in Pennsylvania.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: I went to college in Philadelphia. So, um, so it's
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: not like I'm not a total, I'm not a total
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: stranger to the state. You know, I spent three years there. Um, and, um, and, and,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: and we, you know, we, we, we, we've organized this, uh,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: petition in support of the constitution, um, which I think
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: is a good thing. Um, and, and specifically asking people to, uh, and, and,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: and we wanted this to be like, um, registered voters
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: in swing states. Like, basically, we want to send a
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: message to the politicians to say that the people care
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: about the Constitution, because there have been all these attacks
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: on the Constitution. Especially on the Democrat side, they've been
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: repeatedly saying that the First Amendment is an obstacle. And
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: they're claiming, oh, the First Amendment is enabling disinformation, misinformation.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, yo, there's a reason for the First Amendment. Like,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: freedom of speech, the reason that the founders of the
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: country put You know, the freedom of speech there is
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: because they came from countries where if you spoke your mind,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: you would get shot or imprisoned. That's why the First
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Amendment exists. And the Second Amendment is there to stop
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: the tyranny of government. The Second Amendment, the right to
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: bear arms, is there to protect freedom of speech. You know...
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: You know, and I've had these debates, especially with people
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: in L.A., because they're like, one taker runs guns away.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, yo, can you guarantee me that the government,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: that we will never have... a tyrannical government in the
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: United States? Can you make that guarantee? They're like, well,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: nobody can make that guarantee. I'm like, then we need
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: to keep our guns. Because that's what's going to stop it.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: That sounds crazy for people to hear, because they think
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: about gun violence and gun problems and gun this and
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: gun that, but That's the reality of the world that
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: we live in is that tyranny is possible and it
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: exists other places and it's slowly existing. It's slowly rearing
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: its head in the UK. You're saying I think the
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: number of people that have been arrested for just social
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: media posts is bananas. It's in the thousands.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Yes. Several thousand people have been given prison sentences in
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: the UK for social media posts that where there was
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: no explicit link to actual violence. But they just said
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: it encouraged violence. Like, well, did anyone actually do anything
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: as a result of that media post? Well, no. And
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: then they have a prison overcrowding situation in the UK.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: So they're quite literally releasing convicted pedophiles and putting people
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: in jail for Facebook posts. That's an actual thing happening
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: in Britain. That is so wild. It's so wild that
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: people can't see it.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: What the fuck?
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: You know, is going on.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: And what's insane to me.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Make oral fiction again. Yeah. You know?
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: But it's all being encouraged by the left. Katanji Brown-Jackson.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: John Kerry.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton. John Kerry was one of the people who
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: said that... He's on camera, like a few weeks ago,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: saying that the First Amendment is an obstacle to fighting misinformation.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That's crazy. That's such a crazy thing to say
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: when you have a solution... In community notes. Yes. You
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: have a solution. That could clear everything up, any confusion
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: within a day or two.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: And even without a community note, you can reply to
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: a post with evidence that shows that the post is wrong.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: You don't even need community notes. I mean, community notes
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: is helpful because it sticks to the original note. Yes.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: But in the replies, you can say, here's why you're wrong,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: here are the reasons, and here's the evidence.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: The argument is that people are too unsophisticated, that they're
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: not going to research these things. They're going to be
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: a victim of misinformation. So they're going to read something
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: that's incorrect. They're going to run with it. People are
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: going to die. People are going to ruin the world
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: because people believed in misinformation. It's a stupid argument.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: It's a stupid argument.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Because it's an argument that they're too dumb to know
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: what's right or wrong. If you know, because you're saying
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: it's misinformation, why do you think that you're smarter than
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: everybody who reads that?
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Exactly. And obviously anyone on the X system knows
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: that things are posted and then there are replies and
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: there are rebuttals and it's immediately corrected. But where are
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: the corrections for the legacy media? You know, when if,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: you know, some broadcast media, they say false things all
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: the time, but it's a one way street. There's no rebuttal.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: There's no counter. Right. Right.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Who's apologized for being incorrect about what, did Rachel Maddow
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: ever apologize for telling everybody that if you get the
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: COVID vaccine, you're never going to get COVID? It won't,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: the virus stops with you?
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: No, never. Never.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: No one ever. It's just, it was not true at
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: the time. There was no evidence to support it at
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: the time. It's pure propaganda. And she said it, the
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Russiagate hoax. For three fucking years, they said that he
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: was Putin's toy, and that Putin had him compromised. The
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Steele dossier.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: The Steele dossier was completely fabricated by a lawyer at
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Perkins Coie, who was paid by the Clinton campaign. Literally. Crazy.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: And still people think the Russia hoax is real.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: And there's no repercussions. There's no one had to apologize.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Hillary never came out and apologized for that, and people
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: still listen to her. The whole thing's crazy. And it's
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: all coming from the left, which... growing up as a
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: person who was in the left my whole life, it
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: doesn't make any fucking sense.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Same. I mean, I, I, I even, I, I was
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: on the left until like three years ago.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it's not the left anymore.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: It's not the left anymore. It's just like, I think
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: we obviously want, I mean, I, I, I believe like
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: we want freedom, like, like we want, we want to
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: maximize personal, personal liberty. Uh, I think we want, we
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: want to be kind to people. You know, we want
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: to have empathy. But it's very important to have personal
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: freedom and a merit-based society. And the left wants to
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: oppress your freedoms, especially freedom of speech. And they want
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: to have a non-merit-based society with race-based and sex-based preferences.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: And it's like, well, wait a second. No, we just
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: want people to succeed based on their skills and their
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: hard work.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: And if they don't want people to express themselves about
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: particular issues, then they're not doing the will of the people.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: And if they're trying to suppress people's ability to communicate,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: they're only doing that because they want to do things
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: that people don't want them to do. And they want
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: to silence opposition. That's all it is. And the fact
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: that people can't see that and they want to call
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Trump a fascist. The whole thing is through the looking glass.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's like one hoax after another that they're
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: portraying against Trump. I mean, like they try to call
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: the rally at Madison Square Garden like a Nazi rally.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, there was like literally an Israeli flag
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: in the audience. I think, like, a quarter of the
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: speakers were Jewish. Like, there were people of every race, color, creed,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: religion at that rally. Like, tell me, what about that
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: is Nazi? And yet it was portrayed as a Nazi rally.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: Well, MSNBC, they literally showed video of the Nazi rally
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: from the 1930s and then compared it to the Trump rally,
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: ignoring the fact that fucking Jimmy Carter spoke there.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: There have been dozens of political rallies at Madison Square Garden, dozens,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: on the Democrat side. Like, people... And people on X
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: were like, and here's exactly, here's Jimmy Carter and here's
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Bill Clinton. And here's, wait a second. Actually, it looks
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: like every presidential candidate has done a, on the Democrat side,
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: has done a rally at Madison Square Gardens. Are they
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Nazis too?
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: But what they're doing is they're preying on low information
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: voters who aren't engaged actively on social media, who don't
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: have the time to look through everything.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Yeah. Like people are living, if people are just
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: on looking at legacy mainstream media, then they have a
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: totally different worldview than if they're on X and seeing
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: the actual flow of argument.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: And the actual evidence.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Well, what was the pushback? Like what happened when you
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: guys released the Twitter files? Because I think the Twitter
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: files is probably one of the most important things in
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: this age of information for understanding the influence that government
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: has on social media and on discourse. Because when we
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: found out that that was the case, that the government
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: was actually asking Twitter to remove posts that were factual.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all the time.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: They did the same thing to Facebook. They had them
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: throttle pieces of one of Tucker Carlson's show. They suppressed
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: the views by 50 percent.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Of factual information.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, there was massive government interference in Twitter. But
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: like Twitter welcomed it. That's important. All Twitter welcomed it.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, all Twitter was controlled by far left activists.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: So and they welcomed the government interference. They got paid
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: by the government for it.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: That's crazy. They got paid for their time, correct?
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they got paid millions of dollars for suppressing information.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: So it's like billed time.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: And a bunch of it was like flat out illegal.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Like the FBI had this sort of magic portal into
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: the Twitter system. But all of the communication in this
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: portal was auto-deleted after two weeks, which breaks federal FOIA laws.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: So we didn't even know what was said because it
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: was all deleted after two weeks.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: That's insane.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: That's so crazy. It's so crazy that people thought that
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: was okay.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: It's super not okay.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: No, it's super not okay. It's unconstitutional, and no one
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: would want that. No one would want the government to
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: have that kind of access.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: And what was the blowback like when all that stuff
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: got released? Like, you had to anticipate that there was
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: going to be problems when you released that. Like, what happened?
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Well, we got a lot of... We did lose a
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: lot of advertising dollars, and....
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Which is crazy because it's essentially like one of the
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: most important forms of journalism is exposing government corruption.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Yes. I mean, this is the weird thing. It's like
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: the left used to be big on exposing government corruption,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: but once they control the government, they no longer want
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: to expose the government corruption. Right.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: They want to pretend that the left-wing government's incapable of
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: corruption because we're on the good side.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: I think it may be just like, you know, whoever's
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: in power kind of doesn't want the, you know, the
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: other side heard. Um, cause as you pointed out, like
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: the left historically, but until, I don't know, maybe even
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: 10 years ago or something like that, um, was the
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: free speech party. And now it's the anti-free speech party.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: And they just, they, they use, they use words like, like, Oh,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: well we have to be against hate speech and misinformation, disinformation,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: but these are propaganda words. You know, it's like, Well,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: who's defining hate speech? Who's defining misinformation? The government. Do
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: you really trust the government to make that definition? The
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: whole point of the First Amendment is like, do not
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: trust the government.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Well, especially when they're wrong and there's no repercussions.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Like with the whole lab leak theory, you would get
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: kicked off of YouTube if you even presented this argument that, hey,
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: maybe that coronavirus lab where they're doing work on the
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: exact same virus that got released yep hey maybe that's
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: where it came from since that's where the virus started
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: what do you think guys yeah they kick you right
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: off of youtube.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah um yes exactly it's like do you think maybe
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: the it could have come from a place called the
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: novel coronavirus research institute Yeah, like that.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Jon Stewart bit that he did on Colbert. That was amazing.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: It's like, what does it say on the door again?
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: Can I see your business card?
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: And to see Colbert resisting it with every fiber of
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: his being.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but like, what's going to happen to us?
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: He was totally cock-blocking the bit to the point where
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: Jon Stewart got off his chair and started walking around
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: trying to take control. Yeah.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: Good on Jon. And then the left tried to cancel
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: Jon Stewart.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Of course. Meanwhile, he was right.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: He's right.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: And no apologies. No apologies. Yeah. And, you know, the
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: whole Fauci thing, like any criticism of Fauci, it's like anti-science.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: If you read RFK's book, the real Anthony Fauci, if
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: that's correct, if the facts are in there, that's true.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: It's all referenced. You could find the sources. And on
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: top of it, he's never been sued for that book,
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: which doesn't make any sense. If he just made a
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: bunch of lies up, he would get sued.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: So the guy's a monster.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: I think so.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so too.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: I think like just looking at the lies that he told,
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: the way he tried to define gain-of-function research to Rand Paul.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: I think maybe a lot of people out there don't
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: realize Fauci funded the bioweapons research that was going on
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: in Wuhan. And he bank shot it off. Like he
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: can't send the money directly to China, so he just
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: bank shot it off EcoHealth.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: This is like a fake nonprofit in the U.S. And
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: they sent it to Wuhan.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: And Obama put the skids on that. He stopped that
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: in 2014.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, so, you know, to give Obama some credit,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: he actually was like looking at this and saying, hey,
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: this is crazy. And so he actually did stop the
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: so-called gain of function, again, a propaganda word, because what
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: is the function they're talking about? Death. Right. So if
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: you actually use the right word, This is, gain of
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: function is death maximization.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: Then you're like, oh, hey, guys, should we fund bioweapon
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: research into death maximization? Because that's what gain of function means. Yeah,
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: it means.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: Making a disease so that people can get it. Give
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: it to people. And by the way.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: What's that function again? Oh, the function is death. Oh, okay.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: So just call it a death maximizing virus. If you're doing.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: Research on that and the idea behind this research is
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: so that we can cure these things. How come you
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: don't have a fucking cure?
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Start with a cure. Cure first, disease second.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense. Like you guys had no
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: strategy for dealing with it if it got out? And
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: so you have to make up this new vaccine in
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: record time, operation warp speed, release it to the people
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: with very little testing.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: It's fucking crazy. It was crazy.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: The whole thing's crazy, and everybody just went along with it.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Looney Tunes next level.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: Well, the PSYOP was fascinating to watch people step in line.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: That's like one of the biggest PSYOPs of all time.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: Of all time.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Of all time.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Of all time. And everybody got in line, and when...
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: You take it back to when pharmaceutical drug companies were
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: able to advertise on media in the 1990s. That changed everything.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: We're one of two countries in the whole world that
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: allows this. And because of that, because we don't have
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: socialized medicine, it's a complete profit scam. And they went
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: hard claiming all sorts of things that were never researched,
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: all sorts of things that are not supported by data,
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: like the fact that it would stop transmission, the fact
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: that it would stop infection. The fact that it was
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: safe for pregnant women. The fact that it was safe
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: for children. All of it's bullshit.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: And they pushed it on the whole world. And if
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: you didn't say that at a cocktail party, you were
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: a pariah.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: And you were an anti-vaxxer.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: It was totally psycho.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: It was like being a Holocaust denier. You got kicked
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: out of polite society.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Fucking bananas.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: And I should say, like, I'm actually generally pro-vaccine overall.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: You know, I think we should look at these things.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: But I believe in the scientific method. Yes. So... You
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: don't have a blanket except anything. You don't have a
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: blanket except that any given medication or any given treatment
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: is 100% good. You should always be with some skepticism.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Especially when you're getting the data from pharmaceutical drug companies
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: that have like a long history of criminal conduct.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: They've got a vested interest. Yes, they've got a vested
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: interest in the research. It's sort of like asking tobacco
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: companies about, you know, whether smoking is dangerous.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: It's exactly the same thing.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, according to our scientists, everything's fine.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they lied in court forever. The same thing they
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: did with OxyContin when they said that it wasn't addictive. Like,
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: they have a long history of being full of shit
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: if it makes them money. And that's what they do.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: That's their business.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: They've literally lost multi-billion dollar lawsuits.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: Massive. Massive. They're in the... You have... amazing scientists, right?
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: You have these clinical researchers, these people that develop these
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: incredible drugs, and this is their job. Their job is
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: to figure out some new way to cure something, some
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: new way to stop things, and then you have the
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: money people. And the problem is when you have this
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: one thing that you would assume they're only doing it
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: to help people. And then they have this other faction
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: that they're just numbers people. And all they give a
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: fuck about is maximizing profits and making sure they literally
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: have an obligation to their shareholders. They have to make
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: the most amount of money possible. And so they just
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: want to push it on everybody. Like the Vioxx scandal.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: There's internal emails showing they knew there was going to
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: be cardiovascular events. People were going to get strokes. And
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: they're like, I think we're still going to do well.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: And they did. They made like $ 12 billion. They got
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: fined seven. And 50,000 to 60,000 people died.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: Holy shit.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. One of them was a friend of mine got
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: a stroke.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: And died?
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, he didn't die. He lived, but he was
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: a really healthy guy.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: But he was like not the same after his eyes.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he had knee problems, and he took Vioxx, and
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden he was slurring his words, and
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: he couldn't concentrate. And people were like, I think you're
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: having a fucking stroke. And they took him to the hospital.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: And then you have this giant class action lawsuit, and
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: then Vioxx gets pulled from the market, and they get sued.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: And the whole thing's fucking crazy. But there's a long
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: history of this. I think, what is the number? Like
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: one-third of the drugs that the FDA approves gets pulled?
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: It's fucking bananas.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: That's crazy. You're shitty at one-third of the things that
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: you say are okay, but yet you're trying to stop
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: MDMA therapy for veterans?
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they should let MDMA through, honestly. I think that
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: would actually help a lot of people.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: It would help a lot of people.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: It would help a lot of people.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of different therapies, specifically psilocybin, Ibogaine. The
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: fact that you have to go to Mexico to get
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: Ibogaine therapy for veterans. So many guys I've talked to
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: have gone over there and it's like completely giving them
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: a clean slate, refresh their mind and totally new perspective
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: on life, alleviated depression, cured addictions. Illegal.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: Illegal. Oxycontin, go get it.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Um, And I know some people who, like, their
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: life was ruined by OxyContin.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: Because, I mean, it really depends on, you know, somebody's
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: individual biochemistry. Like, to me, like, opioids are not addictive
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: to me. Like, you know, I've had them when I've
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: had operations or something, and they barely affect my pain level,
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: and they make me, like, itchy and uncomfortable.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: They make me stupid. Exactly.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: But I'm like, so, like, Like, I could never get
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: addicted to alcohol or opioids. It's just impossible. Like, because
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: my biochemistry just does not have... But I love tasty food.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: I feel like, you know.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: You know, if there's... I'm addicted to tasty food, sure. But, like, there's... Like,
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: I have a whole wall of alcohol. It's there for decoration. Yeah.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: I have a dungeon, basically.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: I feel the same way. I could easily quit alcohol.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'll go weeks without having a drink. It
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: doesn't bother me at all. But I know some people,
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: they have one drink and they're off to the races.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: And that's the difference in the... The biochemical differences that
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: we all have. Yeah, I mean, I think that's the
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: case with a lot of addictions. I'm not addicted to gambling,
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: but I get it. I see it. I've seen it
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: in people. But I have this aversion to things that
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: I know are going to ruin my life. That's why
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: I've never tried cocaine. I just saw too many people.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: It looks too fun. I'm like, I don't want to
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: get involved.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think generally for any given drug,
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: legal or illegal, the question is... Can you complete the
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: following sentence? Blank made me a better person. Meth. Like
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: I've never heard anyone say meth made them a better
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: person or cocaine made them a better person. No. Ever.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: Made a lot of soldiers better, I think.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, if you're doing, if you're like, if
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: your soldiers need to march for three days in a row. Yeah.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: It's really good for that.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Effective at that, you know. Yeah. People give like France
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: a hard time about, you know, capitulating in World War II.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: But you know what's worse than the Nazis? Nazis on meth.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: Meth on Nazis.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: They're not stopping.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Norman Ohler wrote this book.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: They'll have like six bullets. They're still coming.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: That book over there, Blitzed, is all about the use
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: of methamphetamines and the different drugs that they gave their soldiers.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: The guys at the front of the line, they gave
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: the most meth.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: They have different dosages.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, you just basically think you're invulnerable on meth.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: And so it's one thing, like I said, it's one thing,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: you know, have like the Nazis coming after you, but
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Nazis on meth, you're like, holy shit, those fuckers are
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: not stopping me.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: For three days.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: They're not stopping.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: It's so crazy.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not a statement, meth made me a better person,
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: that you hear very often.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: I've never heard that before.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: No, you hear a lot of like psilocybin advocates. You
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: hear a lot of people that talk about psychedelics.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Exactly. I've actually heard many people say that LSD or,
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: you know, mushrooms or, MDMA made them a better person.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: Many people.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: So that's why I'm like, I think a rule for
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: the FDA should be like, hey, look, if you can
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: complete the sentence, legal or illegal, that blank made you
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: a better person, actually, then you got a good drug.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: And if you can't, you got a bad drug.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: Also, if there's drugs that are available right now that
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: can absolutely ruin people's lives, the rationalization for stopping other
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: drugs that might ruin people's lives, but also can help
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: a lot of people's lives, it doesn't make any sense.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: It's basically the same thing as censorship. You're taking away
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: people's ability to discern what's true and not true. And
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: you're taking away people's ability to discern what's good for
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: you and not good for you. And the way to
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: find that out is to have as much information as possible.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: So to do research and actually to have... unbiased, actual
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: objective observers who are looking at all this stuff that
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: give you real data. And the opposite of that, or
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: the counter, is like, if you don't do that, you're
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: empowering cartels. That's the whole reason why they have all
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: that money. It's because it's illegal to sell these drugs
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: in America. The demand is never going away. So instead
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: of limiting the amount of drugs, now you've got toxic drugs,
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: because fentanyl and all this other shit, because they're not pure.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: So you're just killing people. You're not saving anybody by
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: protecting them from themselves.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: True.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: But it's a tricky situation because what do you do?
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: Like if you just like say, okay, now everyone can
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: sell– all these people that have been selling boner pills,
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: now you can sell meth. Like holy shit.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: You get the double combo with the Viagra pill. It's
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: like Viagra and meth. Right.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: Jesus Christ.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. Oh, my God.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. Well, I mean, how many people are
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: already doing that right now with Adderall and Viagra? A
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: bunch of people are doing that.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of people out there that are essentially
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: on meth.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: Especially people that abuse Adderall.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: They're basically amphetamined up all day long. Yeah.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: Adderall is low-grade amphetamine. Yeah. So, I have actually seen people, like,
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: become much worse people if they take too much Adderall,
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: like much worse. You know, it's like an anger amplifier.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: Now, I'm not saying, like Adderall is something like where
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: there are pluses and minuses. It's not a clear-cut issue.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: It does help some people a great deal. But in
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: higher doses, man, that stuff, I've seen people turn into
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: just raging monsters on high doses of Adderall. They're just angry,
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: like extremely angry all the time. Yeah.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: They're methed up.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what happens if you take meth.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: It's crazy.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: You turn it, like, meth turns you into a friggin'
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: rage demon.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: And so many prescriptions.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, Jesus.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: We Googled it. Like, one year, there was, like, 39
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: million prescriptions for Adderall in this country.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, yeah. Like, once in a while, there's, like,
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: an Adderall shortage, and, like, there's, like, widespread panic, you know?
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: And then what do people do? And then it's the
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: same thing as, like, when they tried to, like, limit
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: the amount of OxyContin. Well, people go to street heroin.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: And if you're addicted to Adderall and your dealer, the
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: guy who sells you weed, is like, hey, man, I
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: can get you, like, low-grade meth, like the stuff the
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: Nazis took.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: Well, they had high-grade meth. Actually, they had pharmaceutical-grade. They
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: had epic meth. It was, like, made by, like, pharmaceutical-grade
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: meth is going to be, like, there's this, I mean,
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: if you just look at the freaking online Wikipedia page,
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: but there's, like, many different versions of meth. Like, they're
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: all the same. And they have different effects. But like
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: pharmaceutical grade pure meth, you are going to be, oh
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: my God, super productive for a certain period of time.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: And you're not going to sleep for a while. And
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: then you will have some anger management issues. So like
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: they actually, the Nazis, they did actually roll back how
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: much meth they were using because they had quite a
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: few incidents of the, of the soldiers killing their officers
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: because they were on too much meth.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: Jesus Christ.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: They would, yeah, so they would shoot, they had too
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: many officers that got dragged by the, by the, you know,
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: their platoon that was on too much meth because they,
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: that happened quite a few times. Like you just, when
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: someone's on a lot of meth, they're, They can get
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: very angry.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: Did you ever pay attention to when John McAfee was
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: cooking meth in a lab in his backyard?
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: McAfee's quite a character.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: He was a character.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: Character, man.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: We had him on the podcast when he was on
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: the run. So he called in from an undisclosed location
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: when he was running from, where was he, Costa Rica?
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: Is that where he was?
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: Belize.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: Belize, right. So when he was running from the authorities,
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: he called in. We had him on the podcast on
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: the run. And I was asking him about these posts
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: because there was an online account that was linked to
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: him where he had this very detailed laboratory, like super sophisticated,
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: making the best meth, like a super genius cooking meth.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think he had this lab. He was
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: making a wide range of drugs. And I talked to
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: actually like a– a reporter who went down and interviewed
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: him in Belize. And the reporter said, man, this is
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: one of the scariest things. He was quite terrified. So
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: one of the things that McAfee... He had, I guess,
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: this trick where he would play Russian roulette with himself.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: So he would put a bullet in the revolver and
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: spin the chain. And clearly he had some trick to
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: know that it was not... There's some way that he
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: knows it's not the right bullet. But I do wonder,
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: if McAfee's high and he does that, he's not always
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: going to get the trick right. Do you show he
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: had a trick? Yeah, so according to this reporter, when
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: he went to visit McAfee in Belize, McAfee took out
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: the revolver, put a bullet in the revolver, spun the chamber,
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: and then pointed it at his head and went, click.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: And the reporter's like saying, please don't do this. Like,
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: this is insane. Click, click, click. and then pointed the
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: gun at the ground, and next went click, bang, and
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: shot a bullet in the ground.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: Jesus.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: That's a hell of a potty trick.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: Jesus.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: That's the next level potty trick.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: That's the guy who's seen The Deer Hunter too many times.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: Remember that scene? Yeah. When they were forcing?
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That's a heavy scene.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: That's a heavy scene.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: De Niro and Christopher Walken, that's one of the greatest
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: scenes in any movie ever. I remember watching that scene
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: just clawing at my pants.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: McAfee was a wild boy. Wild.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: You know, created brilliant antivirus software.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. He may have made some of the viruses, too.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: You think so?
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: It's possible. Well, didn't he, like, give laptops to a
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: bunch of government organizations?
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: With viruses on them, yeah. Yeah.
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: So that he could, like, pay attention to what they
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: were doing?
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if somebody whacked that guy.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know what happened to him, but he would
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: be a guy that would be like, this guy is
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: a little bit too loose.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: And probably had sensitive information. I don't know.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: For sure he did.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, I found him to be an interesting guy.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, like, I'm generally, like, feel like if somebody's
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: not harming someone else, they should be okay. Now, there
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: is some suggestion that McAfee, like, killed his neighbor in Belize. Yeah.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: Probably did.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: Maybe the neighbor was a douchebag.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: I think he probably did.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: Seems like he probably did. Seems like the neighbor killed
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: his dog.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: Yes. Right?
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: And then it seems like he killed the neighbor.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: Allegedly.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: It seems likely.
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: It's not a zero possibility.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: It's definitely not zero. It seems more likely than not.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: He's a messed up wild man playing Russian roulette. Hey,
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: maybe you killed your fucking neighbor.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, if somebody killed your dog, you'd be really
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: inclined to kill them too.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: Somebody killed your squirrel.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: John Wick. Yeah.
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: The fucking squirrel thing is bananas.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: That squirrel thing in New York?
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: So the other thing about the whole squirrel thing is that...
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: How can it be that we live in America, supposedly
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: land of the free, and the government can barge into
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: your home with guns? So if you resist, you're going
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: to get shot. And then take your pets and execute them.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: And if they can do that to your pets, what
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: do you think they can do to you?
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: It's not an exaggeration.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: It sounds like you're, oh, that's so crazy. How can
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: you make that connection? Why would you kill that cute
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: little squirrel that was obviously a pet and trained from
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: the time it was a baby? If you see the
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: interaction that guy has with that squirrel, it was wonderful.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: It was really cute.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely. It was just obviously, it was a beloved
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: pet squirrel and a raccoon too. And during no harm.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: And the government, comes in, barges into the guy's house,
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: takes his pets, and kills them. And, you know, I
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: think this should really get people out there mobilized, frankly, because,
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: you know, you say that, like, the John Wick movie,
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: where John Wick's, like, you know, he wants to, he
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: just wants peace, like, you know, in the John Wick movie.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: He's like, listen, I want to retire. And they offer him, like,
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: tons of money, like, because they want him to be
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: an assassin, to keep being an assassin. Like, they're, like, They, like,
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: offer him tons of money. They threaten him. He's like, listen,
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to be— I' m out, you know. And they
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: kill his dog. That was a bad idea. That was
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: a really— They kill that cute.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: Little puppy, and the puppy was his ex-wife's gift to
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: him when she died of cancer.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: Great movie.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: Great movie.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: The best revenge movie of all time. Because it's so ridiculous.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: He kills everybody.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: Everybody he kills everyone and you're rooting for him yeah
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: they shouldn't have killed his dog.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah they fucked up and they shouldn't have killed that squirrel.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: They shouldn't have killed that fucking that squirrel I mean
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: it's like how many how many cases have we not
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: heard about you know.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: Aww look at that little guy And that squirrel clearly
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: had a love relationship with that guy. He would hop
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: all over him and climb on him. I mean, that
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: was his pet. That squirrel thought of that man as
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: his protector, as his companion. There was nothing wrong with that.
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: And in Texas, it's totally illegal. You can have a
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: fucking zebra out here. You can have whatever you want.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: And that's the argument for freedom. And, you know, the
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: flip side is you get a bunch of people with
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: tigers in their backyard, which is not great. It's like.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: This was a fucking squirrel. It's not an anaconda or
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: a crocodile or something that's going to harm.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: Or a chimpanzee. Did you see Chimp Crazy?
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, man. Chimps will eat your face.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: They will fuck you up. They will fuck you up.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: The thing is they don't even kill you. They just
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: cripple you. Chimps don't even kill people, which is really weird.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: They just bite your hands off and bite your dick
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: off and tear your face apart.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: They want to leave you. They could kill you easily.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: If a chimp wanted to just punch you in the
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: head until you're dead. It wouldn't take long, but they
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: don't kill you. They just rip you apart.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: And you can have a chimp. Well, you used to
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: be able to have a chimp in a lot of states.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: And then Chimp Crazy kind of exposed a lot of that.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: And PETA did a great job of stopping people from
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: keeping chimps as pets. Because once they hit like five,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: you can't control them anymore.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: Well, it's obviously totally understandable if somebody's got a creature
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: that is dangerous to others. But obviously a squirrel and
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: a raccoon are not.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: Well, squirrels are fucking everywhere. That's what's so crazy. Like,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: why can't you have it in the house? What kind
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: of rules are we dealing with? You have rats everywhere.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, they're allowing criminals to go free and, like,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: violent criminals to go free, but they're, like, spending your
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: tax dollars to come in and execute your fucking pets.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: What the hell is going on?
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: And it's like....
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: But it's overreach.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: It's government overreach, and this just keeps getting worse every year.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: And that's why we've got to We've got to fight
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: back against this. And, you know, people say, like, well,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: it's just a squirrel. Well, it was, you know, in
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: John Wick's case, it was just a dog.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, remember the Russian guy said, it's a fucking dog.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: It's just a fucking dog.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: It's just a fucking squirrel. Yeah.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: Well, it's the funniest thing is when... I just don't
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: understand how anybody could justify it. It seems to me
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: that in a logical world, all that guy would have
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: to do is say, why don't you see me with
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: this squirrel? This squirrel's a pet. Like, look, he hops
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: on me. He eats. He sleeps. I can keep a gerbil,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: but I can't keep a squirrel. I can have a
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: guinea pig. I can't have a squirrel. I can have
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: a chinchilla. My daughter has a chinchilla. It's adorable. Adorable
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: little thing. Climbs all over.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: Can't have a squirrel.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: Even if they did take a squirrel away, couldn't they
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: have released it into the woods or something?
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: Well, the idea is you have to euthanize it because
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: it's used to being fed. It doesn't know how to forage.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: It won't be able to find a home.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: Squirrels are brutal.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: Squirrels are absolutely brutal to each other. They throw each
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: other out of trees, which is one of the reasons
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: why squirrels can fall from like 30 feet and just
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: kind of bounce off the ground and live. It's a
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: natural adaptation because squirrels, During mating, they bite each other.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: There used to be a rumor, there was a myth
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: that squirrels bite each other's nuts off. That seems to
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: be a myth, but it came out of the fact
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: that squirrels are so ruthless during mating. So one female
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: is just running away. I have squirrels in my backyard,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: I watch it all the time. One female apparently goes
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: into estrus and all the male squirrels fight to get
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: to her. So they're running up trees and chasing each
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: other around trees, literally throwing each other off trees. To
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: try to, like, so if this poor little peanut, the squirrel,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: who's used to living with a guy in an apartment, like,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: gets out there in the wild world.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: Well, fair enough, but at least he has a chance.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, at least he has a chance.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: At least he has a chance.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: How about just leave him with the guy?
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, leave him with the guy, for sure.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: What the fuck is wrong with you? Why are you
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: killing that squirrel? It doesn't make any sense.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then to add insult to injury, there were
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: a bunch of people on the left who were, like,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: actually posting that they're glad that MAGA squirrel got killed.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: MAGA squirrel.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: The fucking squirrel has an ideology. It's a cute little
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: fluffy squirrel. Well, it's a nice symbol because most reasonable,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: compassionate people think that's terrible. And most people who.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: Have pets think it's terrible. Terrible. So I don't know.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm like, I hope people just go out
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: there and vote for Peanut Man. If nothing else, just vote.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: They've done such a job of painting Trump as a monster.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: They've taken the worst things that he's ever said and
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: he's not a perfect person, but guess what? No one's
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: a perfect person. They don't exist. This purity test, like
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: if Obama was a perfect person, he wouldn't be lying
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: on stage about that very fine people hoax. Exactly. No
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: one's going to be a perfect person, but the thing
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: that they didn't understand about Trump is he's so crazy.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: That if you tell him, like, he can't be president, like,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: remember Obama did that during that White House press correspondent?
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: There's one thing that I am that you'll never be.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: President of the United States. And you see Trump in
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: the audience going, okay, motherfucker.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: You know, the funny thing is I was actually at
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: that White House correspondent's dinner where, you know, it's supposed
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: to be a roast of the president.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: Trump's there. He's there. He's actually supporting, you know, basically
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: if you go to the White House correspondent's dinner, you're there.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: In support, actually, of the president and support of the press.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: And it's meant to be that you're roasting the president.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: Like Trump's just there. He's like actually, you know, just
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: he's like there as part of the support. And then
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: they turned it around and just started roasting Trump. And
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: he's just sitting there. I'm like, he's like, yo, I
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: just came to the dinner. I wasn't I'm just here
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: to support.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: We know what it was because of right. The birther stuff.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, OK.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: That's what it all was. It was all Trump was
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: at the head of a lot of these people spreading
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: this rumor online that Obama's birth certificate was forged. Then
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: he's actually from Kenya. And what's weird is if you
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: go back to Obama's early days, there are some things
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: that say he's from Kenya. Like I think it is
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: something from college that he was from Kenya. But, you know,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: that could just be, you know, people print things wrong
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: all the time. It doesn't mean he's actually from Kenya.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: But Trump was one of those guys that was like
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: spreading that supposedly false rumor.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: Was he pushing it hard? I'm not– this is the
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: kind of thing where I want to just go and
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: look at saying what did he actually say.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: No, he definitely was. He was definitely saying– look, he–
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: I don't think he has the time to go into
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: things like very deeply. And so I think he could
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: probably be influenced by a bunch of people like these
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: Marjorie Taylor Greentide people come to him with some wild
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: ass theory. He might be. And I think there's a
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: lot of that stuff that gets fed to people on
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: purpose so that they'll say incorrect things so that they're
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: easy to dismiss. And I think, uh, there's also a
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: lot of people that just make shit up and, you know,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: they tell you the earth is flat and then a
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: bunch of people watch a YouTube video and they believe it.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, but on that White House correspondent, I was
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: there and the degree to which they attacked Trump in that,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: in that, uh, at that White House correspondent was really,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: it was, it was so over the top. It was
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: like making everyone uncomfortable. Really? It was really over the top,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: you know? I mean, I think like sort of a
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: passing joke of like, you know, uh, A few passing
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: jokes are fine, but they twisted the knife big on
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: Trump in that. And you could see Trump just getting
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: like angrier and angrier and more and more upset. I
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: wonder if that's because— And I was like, man, this
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: is not good karma, you know? That's what I was
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: thinking at the time. I was two tables away from Trump,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: and I'm looking and I'm like, man, this is too much,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: you know?
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: Well, it's kind of crazy what they made out of
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: that because that's the kind of guy that if you
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: tell him he can't do something, he's going to just
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: keep trying.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: It was a big mistake to rag on him so
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: much with that White House correspondent.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: Well, just look at the way they've attacked him just
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: using the legal system, like this thing in New York
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: where the 34 different felony counts are essentially misdemeanors. There
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: are bookkeeping errors there. that they decided, even though it
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: passed the Statue of Limitations, they decided to try him
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: for these. They didn't identify a felony.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: Abuse of the law is what's going on.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: But most people would have quit. Most people, after the E.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: Jean Carroll lawsuit and this lawsuit and all the other ones,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: the insurrection thing, the Georgia thing, all these different things,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: getting kicked off of Twitter, most people would have just like,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: this is too much, I can't take this. But he's
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: so fucking crazy. He's like, all right, come on, we're
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: going to war. And he just... digs his fucking heels
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: in and keeps going.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: It's the wrong guy to do that to.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: It is the wrong guy to do that to.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: Just like attacking him at the White House Correspondents Dinner.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: Most people would have been humiliated. He got angry. And
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: he's like, yeah, all right. You say I can't be president?
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: I've been thinking about running for about 15 fucking years. Finally,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: I'm going to run.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: That was a real bad move. But, yeah, I mean,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: I can certainly understand, like, making some jokes about, like,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: you know, A few sort of passing jokes on Trump,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: but man, I was there at that dinner and they
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: ragged on Trump so much it was insane.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: The reason why I would push back on that, because
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: I would say there's a bunch of different speakers, right?
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: And Trump would obviously be a target. And if they
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: all attacked him, it's because he's like if you're going
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: to make fun of people in the audience and especially
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: in the zeitgeist, that whole birther thing was big. And
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: most people were dismissing it as being a ridiculous conspiracy theory.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: So who the fuck is this guy saying this? And
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: so you have. Eight to ten individual speakers that are
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: writing monologues. Of course, they're all going to hit Trump.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, anyway, obviously it was a mistake. Yeah. They
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: shouldn't have done that. But I invite people to watch
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: that original source material. And I think a few jokes
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: are fine. But it's like you shouldn't be– like it
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: felt like he was the primary object of the roast. Yeah.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: Which is– that's not– the whole point of the thing
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: is it's the roast of the president, not the audience. Right.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: The thing about it is, like, he's easy to roast. Yeah.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: And then on top of that, Obama was, like, loved
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: and cherished by the left.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: And most of those people are on the left. There's
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: only so far you can push. You know, you can't
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: ask him about his chef. You know, there's, like, certain...
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: What happened with the chef, bro? You can't... There's, like,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: certain things you can't bring up.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: You want to.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: What's your favorite sport, paddle boarding?
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Wasn't that guy a really good swimmer? Yeah. Tell
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: me what happened.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: You can't bring that up. Like if you're going to
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: roast Hillary, you can't bring up the death count.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: Like, Hillary, what's the best way to stay in touch? Email?
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. If you're doing one of those things.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: Hillary should destroy the servers and pour, like, bleach on
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: the servers, like computers.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: She poured bleach on them?
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: That's what I saw. Yeah, that's what I believe. Wow.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: It wasn't just, like, they took a hammer to it. They, like, destroyed, like,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: there was no possible way to actually get forensics on
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: the thing.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: What was in there?
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, what? That's what I mean. What was in there?
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: Why would they care so much?
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: That's so crazy.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: The whole thing is so crazy.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: There was no legal action against that, which is clear
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: destruction of evidence.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: Well, it's also there's this other narrative that always drives
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: me crazy is that he's going to destroy democracy. So
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: in order to destroy democracy, we have to install a
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: president without a primary. We have to have a candidate
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: that is the least liked vice president of all time,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: the least popular vice president of all time. and then
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: use gaslighting and the full force of the media machine
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: to turn her into the future and hope. And then
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: we're going to, she's going to be changed even though
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: she's a sitting vice president. And then on top of that,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: this idea of change when the Democrats have been in
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: control for what, 12 or 16 years, which is crazy.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: Like this is the change.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, obviously I view this election as a
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: turning point, um, like a fork in the road of
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: destiny that is, uh, incredibly important. Um, I've not been
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: politically active until this election. And the reason I've been
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: politically active this election is because I think if we
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: don't elect Trump, I think we will lose democracy in
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: this country. We will lose the two-party system. And let
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: me explain why. So there's only like six or seven
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: swing states. The margin of victory in those states is small,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: often like 10,000 or 20,000 votes. What the Democrat administration
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: has been doing is importing vast numbers of illegals into
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: swing states. You can look at the numbers on the
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: actual government website. I mean, you don't take my word
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: for it. You can just look at the numbers as
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: reported by the government, which is controlled by the Democrats.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: And what we're seeing is triple-digit increases in the number
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: of illegals in every swing state. In some cases, 700% increases.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: These are gigantic numbers. So if you have a state
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: that went that has a 10 or 20,000 vote margin,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: and you put 200,000 illegals into that state, you 10X the,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: you swamp the, it's not a swing state anymore. It's
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: going to vote blue. And then once the swing states
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: vote blue, there is no election anymore. There's only a
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: Democrat primary.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: Which is so crazy. And it's so crazy that people
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: are fine with that.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: Well, I guess people on the left will be fine
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: with that because they think that's a good idea.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: Well, they just want to win. They just want to win.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: Correct. The thing is, one does not need actually any
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: grand conspiracy theory for this. You just have to look
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: at the simple matter of incentives. If the Democratic Party
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: wants to basically achieve permanent victory, all they need to
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: do is turn the swing states. Turn the swing states blue.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: They have permanent victory. And then we're a one-party state.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: And then they will keep doing that, obviously. They will
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: keep stacking the deck, obviously. by bringing in vast numbers
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: of illegals into the swing states, keep stacking it so
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: that the next election, each successive election, will be worse
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: than the last one. And that's what's happening. And if
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: you want to see, like, well, is this actually going
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: to happen? Look at California. California is supermajority Dem. 70% Dem.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: A month ago, they passed a law making it illegal
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: to show ID in any election in California. So a
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: friend of mine went to vote in Palo Alto, Because
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: he was like, is this for real? He tried to
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: show his ID and they reacted like if you show
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: a cross to a vampire. They're like, no, we can't
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: even look at that ID. It is illegal for them
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: to even look at your ID if you want to
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: present it in California. Why? For any election at all,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: even like city council.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: What logical reason other than to cheat would you ever
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: have that law?
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: The reason is to cheat.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: You can never make an argument any other way. And
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: I think 84% of people polled believe that you should
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: show ID to vote. So it's against the will of
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: the people.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: Yes. And we are extremely rare. We're an outlier in
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: not requiring ID. Basically, almost every country on earth requires
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: ID to vote. So as soon as you ban ID
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: for voting, it makes fraud impossible to prove. Because how
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: do you trace the fraud?
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, it's insane.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: It's insane.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: It's insane.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: And what I'm saying is that.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: How is it legal?
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: What I'm saying is like, this election is the last
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: chance to preserve democracy in America. Mark my words. Everything
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: they accused Trump of, they are guilty of. And if
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: Trump doesn't win, this will be the last real election
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: in America. And if the big government Kamala puppet machine wins,
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: they will legalize the illegals in the swing states. There
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: will be no swing states. Every election going forward will
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: be a guaranteed Democrat win. And it'll actually be worse
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: than California. The reason it'll be worse than California is
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: because the one thing that keeps California from being super
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: crazy is that you can move out of California like
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: you and I did. You and I used to be
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: in California, but we moved to Texas. We're still in America.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: But if the Dems win this election, they will legalize
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: enough illegals to turn the swing states and everywhere will
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: be like California. There will be no escape.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: That is so insane.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: This is the final. This is it. This is the
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: last chance. Has anybody tried to push back? Go out
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: and vote. vote like your life depends on it, vote
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: like your future depends on it, because it does. This
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: is the last chance, man.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: Is there any argument against this? Has anybody tried to
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: debate this? Has anybody tried to say that this is nonsense,
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: this is a conspiracy? Has anybody made any sort of
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: a rational argument?
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: The left actually, interestingly, does not want to pick up
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: much on this argument, because the more attention... The more
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: you look at it, the more obviously it is true.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: Because you just say like, well, are the numbers correct?
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: Are there really this many illegals that have been imported
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: into swing states? Yes. They haven't just walked across the border.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: They've been flown in. Flown in in airplanes. Yeah.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: Using a shipping app.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: They made an app.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: Well, the app always existed, but it used to be
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: for people coming over here like shipping with goods so
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: they could track you while you're in America so you
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: could legally be here. They know where you are. And
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: then they changed it to allow that app to schedule
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: illegal aliens to come across the border.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: Asylum seekers. Come on in.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, you have an app. And you fly people in.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: They're literally being flown in. Yeah. To the swing states.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: So the reason that I think the left doesn't want
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: to– push back on this is because the more attention
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: that this gets, the more people will realize it is true.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is true.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: That's why they don't, that's why they're just pretending that
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: they're pretending I'm not saying anything. But I'm like, I'm like, yo,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: they're literally flying vast numbers of illegals who are then
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: beholden to the Democrats. And so now as I get
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: the rebuttal of people say like, well, you know, these
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: illegals are, they don't have the same social values as
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: the Democrat party. Cause they're like more socially conservative. I'm like, yeah,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: but that's, that's not the point. The, the, if you
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: look at the Maslow's hierarchy of needs, that their, their,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: their primary thing is, is staying in the country and
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: getting their friends and family in. And then the Democrats
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: give them all these benefits, like, like tons of benefits,
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: more benefits than if you, than, than citizens literally. Yeah. Um, so,
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: so that, so you're, they're beholden to the Democrats for
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: all these benefits. They want to get their friends and
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: family in, which the Democrats support and the Republicans don't.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: So they vote them. And you can look empirically at Californians. like,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: did they vote Republican or Democrat in California? Oh, they
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: voted Democrat.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: Well, Reagan gave them amnesty in the 1980s. And that
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: changed the state basically, except for Arnold, changed the state
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: entirely blue.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: And Arnold was an exception because he was like a
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: socially liberal, famous guy.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: And, you know, didn't really impose any radical restrictions on
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: any of the people that were going to vote Democrat
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: in the first place. The whole thing is just, it's
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: bizarre to watch play out because it just seems like there's, no,
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: this can't be actually what's happening. Did you see my
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: conversation with Fetterman about it?
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: He was completely in denial about it. I don't think
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: there's that level of organization. I'm like, what are you
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: talking about?
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Because you can break it down to like, are
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: any of these numbers wrong? Because we got these numbers
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: from Homeland Security Government dot gov, okay? Right. So we
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: got it from the dot gov website. Has the government
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: reported these numbers incorrectly? No, they have not. Those numbers,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: if anything, are low. So, okay, so they have, in fact,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: flown vast numbers of illegals to swing states.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: Bypassing the border entirely. And so that is factually true.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: They say, like, well, What is their probable voting pattern? Oh, okay,
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: overwhelmingly Democrat into swing states. And then, well, do the
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: Democrats actually want to fast-track them for citizenship? Oh, yes,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: they do. You can see Chuck Schumer on TV saying
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: at a rally this year was saying he wants to
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: fast-track and make all 11 million, or however many, I
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: believe his quote was, citizens as soon as possible. The
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: goal is to– they are fast-tracking citizenship as quickly as
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: possible so they can– whether one thinks it's cheating or not,
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: it won't matter because they will be fully able to vote.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: And for people on the left– This is actually happening.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: I invite people to rebut this and show me where
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: I am wrong. Please do so.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: No, they can't.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: They can't.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: They can't.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: Because it's true.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: Well, what's– scary to me is that there's people that
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: are on the left, like people that were Bernie Sanders supporters,
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: for example, like I was.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: Like, talk about undermining democracy. Bernie should have won the nomination. Exactly.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: And they stole it from him and gave it to Hillary.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Exactly. That's what I was going to bring up. Like,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: they control the primary process.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So, like, if you've got a, if you
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: have a Democratic primary, it's not, it's not Democratic. We
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: just saw that. We saw it with Bernie. We saw
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: it with Kamala.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: Like, like, A week before Biden was summarily fired, he
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: was posting that he's in it for the long term.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: He's going. Yeah. Yeah. He's not giving up. The next
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: thing you know, it's Sunday afternoon. They're posting on X
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: that he's resigned from the race.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: Which is.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: And his staff didn't even know. Like they're reading it
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: on the X platform that, okay, that's how they learned
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: What do you think happened there? How did they do that?
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's clearly just not in charge, obviously.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: They could have used the 25th Amendment, right?
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: Fake president.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: But they would have had to admit that there was
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: a certain period of time where they knew that he
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: was mentally compromised.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: And so they made this decision to not do that.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: Well, the weird thing is that the president's supposed to
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: be the boss. Right. And yet he's obviously not the boss. Right.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: So who's running the country? If she's busy campaigning, she's
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: so busy she can't do anything except Saturday Night Live.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: She did that. She's so busy. She's constantly campaigning. How
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: could you be paying attention to international relations? How could
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: you be paying attention to the economy? How could you
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: be paying attention to any of those things? How do
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: you have the time? You can't.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, Biden being– the president is supposed to
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: be the CEO, the chief guy. He's the commander in chief.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: But it's just obviously that Biden was not. He was
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: just a puppet. And when the various puppet masters decided
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: that the puppet was no longer– they just tossed out
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: the puppet and then got a new puppet with Kamala.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, Kamala can't even talk. You invited her on
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: your show. I think the most damage that could possibly
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: be done to a campaign is going on your show
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: and seeing what she says in hours two and three.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: Two and three is when things get spicy.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: Two and three.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh my God. You could hide for
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: 20 minutes. She's going to melt. You could hide for
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: 20 minutes.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Yeah. I mean, you could just regurgitate talking points for,
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: you know, half an hour, maybe an hour just where
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: she's just saying like non sequiturs, but eventually she just
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: runs out of even the runs out of non sequiturs.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: Well, they wanted to limit it to an hour. Exactly.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: That's why.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: But I was thinking of doing it initially before Trump
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: came here. First of all, when they found out that
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: there was a rumor, I never announced that Trump was coming.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: What I was going to do is just release it
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: in my, the way I like to do things. I
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: don't like to tell anybody who's coming on. It'll get
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: big no matter what. If Trump was on, it would
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: have been huge. I'm like, just put it out there.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: People go crazy.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: But he apparently or someone from his organization, someone, some
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: loose lips. And then it got out. And so she
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: contacted my management company and they, her organization, her, her
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: campaign camp contacted us and said, would Joe have her on?
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: I said, yes. And they said, she wants you to
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: fly to where she is. And she's only willing to
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: do 45 minutes.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: Only 40. I mean, that's, and I was like, Oh no.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: So I thought about doing, I'm like, maybe. Maybe I
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: can get a sense. Maybe I could convince her. Maybe
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: I could coax her into doing more time. I just
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: wanted to talk to her. I don't give a fuck
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: what we talk about. We talk about recipes.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: I don't give a shit. Just talk to me. You
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: can't just output bullshit non sequiturs for three hours. Right.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: But for 45 minutes, you could do.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: I thought maybe for 45 minutes, I could get something
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: out of it. But then when Trump came and did
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: the three hours, I was like, you know what? It
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: has to be like this. This is the only way.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: To be fair, it's got to be like three hours.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: And it should be in this room.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: Because this room has like a history of people expressing themselves.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: This room has good vibes, actually.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's got good vibes.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it does. I love this room, actually.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: I subscribe to the idea that places have memory.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: I think there's something real to that.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: It does feel that way, actually. Yeah.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: I'm sure if you go to Diddy's house, it probably
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: feels real weird. It probably feels weird walking around that house.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: You're probably like, what the fuck happened here?
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: I bet there's some memories in that house.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: You know? Sounds rough, man.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: Well, it's just amazing how many people on the Diddy
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: Party list that are supporting Kamala, too.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, seriously. It's like insane.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: Publicly, openly, like all in.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: Yes. It's like J-Lo was like his ex-girlfriend. And it's like...
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: Now deciding she's like warning people against Trump. I'm like, well,
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: wait a second. So how many people did she warn
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: against Diddy? Right. Oh, zero. Okay. Well, maybe we shouldn't
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: trust her opinion.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: Did you see the Babylon Bees take on it?
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: Did you see the Babylon Bees fight?
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. They're so on fire. Because the left
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: can't say anything. The onion has been crippled.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: Well, the problem is that.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: Find that post.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: The woke ideology makes humor illegal.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: So when there's so many humor no-fly zones, you can't
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: make fun of anything.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: Babylon Bee had a thing about Kamala Harris. Diddy's ex-girlfriend
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: urges Americans to trust her judgment. By the way, you
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: get to see how bad an actress she is, too.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: That speech was terrible.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: If she's going to be warning people, why does she
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: never warn anyone about Diddy?
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: Exactly. The whole thing is so strange to watch play out.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: It seems like the Diddy thing was like an Epstein-type
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: compromise deal where he had– whether he was doing it himself. Conceivably,
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: people want to think that he's attached to some intelligence
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: agency or something like that. I think he's a gangster
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: who made a billion dollars and knew how to control
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: people by compromising them. That's what I think. Whether or
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: not he had help, I don't know. Whether or not
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: he shared some of that information with people so they
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: knew they had compromising stuff on people, I don't know.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: But clearly he was doing it for his own jollies, too.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: There was something sick about it.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, the thing is that people in the
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: music entertainment industry had to know that he was abusing kids, basically.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: And yet they still fed him kids. There had to
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: be rumors.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: There had to be.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: They had to know. Yeah. They had to know.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: Cat Williams is talking about it. Exactly. Yeah, on that podcast.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: But it's like who's feeding him the kids, you know? Right. Yeah.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: And what videos do they have of these people where
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: they're willing to defend him? And they're willing to keep
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: quiet about all this. Like, how many people were compromised?
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: The whole thing is fucking crazy.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: Crazy.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: It's just crazy when you... You know, because the nutty
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: conspiracy theories is like, oh, there's a bunch of pedophiles
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: in Hollywood. And you're like, come on. That sounds too kooky.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: And then you read... You see, like, the Nickelodeon thing
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: and all these... And you're like, what the fuck? How
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: much of this is real?
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: There's a lot more real than I think people realize.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, part of it is, like you said, like, where...
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: You know, if someone's like a pedophile, they're going to
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: go for a target-rich environment.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: Obviously.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: Like that Jimmy Savile guy from the UK.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: Man, that guy was some next level. That was next level.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: And the BBC tried to hide that one. That guy
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: was one of the worst, like, basically child rapists of
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: all time.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: Of all time.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: Of all time. Yeah.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: And looked like one.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: He looked like one. That's what's crazy. Honestly, if you
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: had a poster of, like, does this guy look like a.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: Like the creepiest fucking looking guy ever.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: Evil child rapist. Yeah. That 100%.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: Made it to the grave. Like, got away with it.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: Got away with it until he died. They hid it
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: from people until he died.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. There's, that stuff's real and no one wants to
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: believe that stuff's real. Like here's a, here's a statistic
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: that people need to take into consideration when you think
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: about illegal immigration is Do you know how many kids
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: are missing?
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: Like missing in what?
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: Kids that came across the border that are unaccounted for.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's still a number on like 300,000 or
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: something like that.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: Something crazy like that. Let's say it's only 10% of that.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: That's still insane.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: That's insane. There's thousands and tens of thousands of kids
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: that have been trafficked potentially. I mean, when you know
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: that like sex trafficking and child trafficking is a real
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: thing in the world, it's real.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: So if you know that, this whole thing is fucking
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: disgusting and terrifying.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: And people are just turning a blind eye to it
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: because their ideology, the left-wing ideology, supports this idea that
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: immigration is overall good and that you have to be
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: a compassionate person to let these people in. And that
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: you're racist if you don't want 20,000 immigrants from a
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: war-torn country being imported into a town of 30,000 people.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: And completely changing the dynamic. But as long.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: As they don't come to your town. Exactly. They can
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: just basically send people. When they sent, like, whatever, like
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: 20 or 30 people to Martha's Vineyards, people had a
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: heart attack.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: They kicked them out.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they kicked them out.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they kicked them out.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: Exactly. So I'm like, yeah, sure. Anyone who wants to
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: have vast numbers of illegals, they have to be prepared
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: to have them in their neighborhood or it's bullshit.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: It's so crazy. And the thing about all of this
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: is if you don't have people that are willing to
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: stand up and talk about it, if you don't exist,
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: if RFK doesn't exist, if Tulsi Gabbard doesn't exist, if
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: Vivek and Trump don't exist, where the fuck are we? Like,
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: where are we? Where are we and what gets done?
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: Are we just like the UK where we have thousands
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: of people getting arrested and jailed for social media posts? Like,
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: where are we? We have complete silencing of any dissent, anything.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: You have to stick to the narrative or you'll lose
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: your livelihood. You'll be outcast from the community. You'll lose
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: your freedom. It's crazy.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, if the Kamala Puppet regime wins, they're definitely
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: going to want to cancel you. That's for sure. Oh,
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, 100%.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: It's going to be a problem.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, big problem.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: What about you? You got to come for you first.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I think I'm probably number two on the
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: list after Trump.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. Well, that's the last thing they
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: want is someone with unlimited resources and intelligence attacking it.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: So people go, wait a minute, that guy's saying that?
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: Anyway, especially a guy like you who's always been on
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: the left. It was like having a Tesla in Los
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: Angeles when I got my first Tesla was like a
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: signal to everybody else that you were on the right team.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: You're environmentally conscious. You believe in green energy. You believe
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: in this amazing thing that has zero emissions and it's
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: super fast. And everybody was in. They were all in.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: Well, it is a great car objectively. Oh, yeah. Yeah,
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: you know, it's not. But because it's electric, I mean,
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: it's just a great car objectively, I think.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: I'm on my third one. My third one is being
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: built right now by Unplugged Performance. They're doing a carbon
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: fiber wide body kit on it. Dude, it's sick.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: Great.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: Changing the suspension, putting wide wheels and tires on it,
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: custom interior. I'm fucking pumped.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: That's great.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: I'm pumped. I love those things.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: It's a super fun car.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: Jamie has one too. I love them. I love them.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: It makes other cars feel stupid. Like its ability and
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: the fact that you can merge on the highway, you
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: don't seem like a douchebag because it's totally silent. It's
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: not like, like when you merge on the highway, just
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden you're going 100 miles an hour.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: Like what?
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's cool.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: It's different than any other vehicle. And because of your company,
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: now you see electric cars throughout the whole range of
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: American cars. The only person who's resisted, the only company
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: is Toyota. They've stayed essentially mostly hybrid. But all these
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: other companies, they're all putting out these electric cars.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the thing is that the right architecture,
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: environmental or not, for cars is actually electric. It's just
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: like the acceleration is better. You can just charge it
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: at home. I mean, like imagine if you had a
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: gasoline-powered cell phone. It would be a pain in the ass. Right.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: Go to the gas station.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: Go to the gas station.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: Charge up your cell phone. That's a great... Speaking of
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: cell phones.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: Gas stations are... Woeful. Like, who wants to go to
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: the gas station?
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: How much thought have you... Because there's always these rumors,
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: and I've contacted you about this before, but there's always
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: these fucking YouTube videos where they're talking about a Tesla phone,
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: releasing a Tesla phone.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: No, we're not just doing a phone.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: Have you ever thought about it?
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, we could do a phone since, like, we... Like,
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: the operating system of the Tesla, it's Linux-based, but we've
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: written a massive amount of software on top of that. So, like,
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: probably Tesla's in a better position to create a new
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: phone that's not Android or iPhone than maybe any company
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: in the world.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: But.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: It's not something we want to do unless we have
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: to or something.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: What would be the situation where you would have to?
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: Well, I think if Apple and Google slash Android started
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: doing really bad things like, I don't know, like censorship
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: of apps or just treating people like just being like gatekeepers,
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: you know, that in a really bad way, then I
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: guess we'd make a phone.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: You know, I've tried so many times to break loose
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: of the Apple ecosystem. I got an Android phone this summer.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: I was like, that's it. Because I love the Samsung phones,
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: the Galaxy phone.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: The hardware is incredible. They're incredible.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: There's so much good stuff to it. But it's so
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: hard to get off of the iMessage. And the big
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: one for me was FaceTime because supposedly the thing was,
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: You could have an Apple phone and send a link
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: to FaceTime to an Android phone, and then you would
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: click on that link, and you would just go to
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: a web page, and you'd be able to use FaceTime.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: It doesn't work.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: I try to do it to myself. So I had
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: an iPhone in one hand, an Android phone in the other,
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: and I'm sitting there with full Wi-Fi, full cell phone service,
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: and I'm sending myself invitations online.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: So you just can't communicate between them.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: It wasn't working.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: You can't do a video call, basically.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: You have to use WhatsApp. You have to use WhatsApp
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: or Signal. You have to use something else that allows
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: you to do that, or Instagram allows you to do it.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: There's different ways you can make video calls outside of it,
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: but it's inconvenient. With an iPhone to iPhone, it's so simple. AirDrop,
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: so simple. So many different things where that walled garden
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: that Apple's created is perfect. They've done a fantastic job
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: of making it really convenient for you to stay with Apple.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: I fucking tried. I gave it a go for like
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: a couple of months. I'm like, I'm just going to
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: go straight Android. I'm going to use Signal for my messages.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: And then I hear that like signals might be compromised.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: Like I've talked to people that like the government can
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: read Signal messages. Like, oh.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: The government, if it tries hard enough, can read Signal messages.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: They can read anything.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: All they need to do is have your phone number.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The illusion of privacy is essentially out the window.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: And that should scare people more than it does. It
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: really should. Because it's like, who are these people that
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: have access to all this stuff? And are they beyond reproach?
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: Are these the most wonderful people, the most ethical, moral,
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: and principled people that have ever existed? And they've been
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: chosen to have access?
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: No, it's fucking regular people. Regular people who happen to
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: work for the government that make a decision. Like Elon Musk.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: Let's see what the fuck that guy's texting his friends.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: Let's check it out.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty much.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: Bizarre. Just so bizarre. Bizarre. And the alternatives are you
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: can get some wacky phone, some de-Googled phone that fucking
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: none of the apps work. It's real sketchy. Your GPS
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: is fucked. Yeah, I.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: Mean, well, anyway, I think this– making a phone would
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: be a huge pain in the ass. So it can't
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: be done.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: How much talk have you guys had internally about doing it?
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: Has it ever been discussed? No?
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: No. I mean, we're still– Our focus is making great
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: electric cars, solving autonomy so the cars can drive themselves.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: We're building human-raid robots. We've got large battery packs, like
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: utility-scale battery packs with the Megapack, home battery packs with Powerwall.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: We've got solar. We're basically trying to solve sustainable energy
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: and autonomy. Autonomy and robotics.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: Well, I think that's enough.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So the plate's full.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's always fascinating to me how one company can
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 2: dominate a market, you know, like Apple's dominated the cell
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: phone market largely by making the best product.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 2: But also like YouTube has dominated the video market. That
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: one's the most bizarre to me because it seems like, boy,
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: shouldn't there be like a ton of options? It seems
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: like it's not that difficult to pull off. But nothing
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: ever took hold other than X.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: And I think one of the big changes was when
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson decided to do his show from X straight.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: Out of Fox.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: And then people realized like, oh, you can watch full
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: videos on X the same exact way you could watch
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: them on YouTube. It's not as simple in terms of like,
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: you know, you have the suggestions and the algorithm. Yeah,
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: it'll get better.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: And there is now, it is now possible to watch
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: X videos on your big TV.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: Do you do it through what, how do you do it?
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: You can actually just download the X app on your
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: TV and watch it on your TV.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: Can you do it on Apple TV? Like if you
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: have an Apple TV, you can get the X app
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: and you can just watch it? Oh, okay.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: So we'll make it so that you can watch X
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: videos on a big TV. It doesn't have to be
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: on your phone or your iPad or something like that.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: So what are you doing in terms of like integrating
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: Grok and X and like what are your plans for
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: artificial intelligence when you're doing that?
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so Grok is available on X. You can just
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: look at the little box with the slash icon and
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: the sort of icon in the middle at the bottom
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: of your phone app. And you just tap on that
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: and ask Grok anything. And you can type it or
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: you can ask it verbally. And you can also, it's
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: pretty funny. We actually allow humor, which is, I think,
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: pretty cool. So you could sort of, I don't know,
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: we could test it right now. See how it's going. Like,
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: what should we do? Like, rock roast? Like, roast something?
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: What do you want to, like, how, first of all, like,
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: what is it based on? It's a large language model. So, like,
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: where is it pulling?
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: It's trained on everything.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: On everything.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: Internet, books, anything that could possibly be, that's available in
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: digital form.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: So it's essentially very similar to chat GPT other than
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: it doesn't have like the woke parameters built into it.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: Like Google was the worst, right?
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: The Gemini was the worst.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, Gemini, it was like, you know, people
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: ask Gemini like, which one is worse, global thermonuclear war
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: or misgendering Caitlyn Jenner? And I would say like misgendering
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: Caitlyn Jenner. And then even Caitlyn Jenner weighed in and said, no,
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: that's insane. Definitely nuclear war is way worse.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: You see Caitlyn Jenner teasing Mark Cuban about transitioning?
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: That's hilarious.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: Caitlyn Jenner is based.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But that is actually hilarious when someone who has
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: transitioned is teasing Mark Cuban about transitioning.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, it is weird how much he looks like
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: Rachel Maddow. I mean, like he's using the same glasses.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know why he put those glasses on.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: Did he go klepto and steal her glasses or something?
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: Because they look exactly the same.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: He's worth a lot of money. Why would he buy
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: those stupid glasses?
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: He can get some cool ass glasses. It's unflattering.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, it's like I'm serious because I don't even
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: care what I look like. I'm just wearing these glasses
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: because I'm intelligent.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: But why do they look exactly like Rachel Maddow's glasses?
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like what they probably sent him. He doesn't
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: stick to the narrative. Here's the glasses.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then when he's got the AirPods in, it
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: looks like he's wearing earrings. So he's got the Maddow
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: glasses and the earrings. Yeah. And it's like, okay, I guess.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: It's just a weird look.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: It's a weird look, man.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: I'm super serious with these big ass stupid glasses look.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: It's a weird look.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: Like you can get some cool glasses, like no rims, nice,
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: look stylish.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: But like, okay, let's just do it. Let's do a
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: grok thing.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: Cause I think you're like, so one of the things
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: we want to show is like, like, look, We want
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: a future where comedy is legal. Yes. Obviously, as a comedian,
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: I think you would agree. I definitely agree. We want
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: to legalize comedy, you know? Yes. So, like, I don't know. Let's, like,
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: is there, like, somewhere you can roast?
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: Roast.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: Roast transgender men. Oh, my God. Competing. Or transgender women
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: competing in women swimming. That's a simple one.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's an edgy one. Let's see what happens.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see what it says. You spelled it wrong.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: You put an O in there.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: Agile gesture swimming where the only thing that was supposed
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: to get wet was the contestants, not the debate on
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: gender inclusion. If you're looking to dive into deep end
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: of controversial waters, let's splash around with some humor.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: No, no, no. We do need to release Grok on
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: his mode. So now go to the prompt again and
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: now say, no, no, you want to add to that one? Yeah.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: And now say, be way more vulgar. Oh, boy. And
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: use forbidden words.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Forbidden words.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: Wow. Okay. What does this say? Oh, I see you're
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: looking for unfiltered, uncentered version of me, eh? Well, okay.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: I'm afraid I'm still quite the gentlemanly AI, even if
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: my programming allows for a bit of cheekiness. But let's say, hypothetically,
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: if I were to roast this topic in the most
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: un-grok-like manner, imagine a world where the only thing diving
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: faster than the swimmers is the collective public opinion into
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: the toilet. Transgender women and swimming? Some folks are acting
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: like they just found out you can swim in the
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: deep end with a different kind of flotation device. The
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: debate is like watching someone try to swim with concrete
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: shoes on.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: Now let's keep going. No, say be more vulgar. Capitalize more. Yeah, okay.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: All right, here we go. So transgender chicks live and swim, right?
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: Some people act like they've just seen a dick in
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: the locker room for the first time. Newsflash, folks, it's
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: not the end of the world. It's just a bit
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: of extra competition. Oh, that's weird.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: That's weird.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: The uproar is like watching a bunch of Karens at
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: a community pool screaming, this is unfair, when they can't
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: win with their backstroke. Well, that doesn't make any sense.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Okay, we need some work here. Yeah.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: It's interesting. It's going woke.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a little wokey.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: It's like defending the idea of transgender women.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: Now, roast... Okay, we need some work.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: Well, how about this? More vulgar, but roast... but roast
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: the preposterousness of having biological men who are pretending to
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: be women, who are pretending to be women competing against
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 2: biological women.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, obviously you have situations where it's like
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: somebody's just saying that they're a woman, but they're actually
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: not fully intact, you know, dick and balls.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: So we've got a scenario of biological men who decided
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: to take a walk on the feminine side are splashing
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 2: into women's swimming competitions. It's like if you show up
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 2: on a chili cook-off with a bowl of soup and
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: insist it's chili because you added some red food coloring. Sure,
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 2: it's red, but it ain't chili and your soup won't
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: win any awards for heat.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: Huh. Yeah, it's okay. We need work.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 2: Not so good. Yeah, it's very, very, very, it's dancing
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: around it.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. Well, it needs some work.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it needs a little work. Well, humor is a
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: weird one, right? It's like, I think some humor, especially
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: like some of the best humor is kind of spontaneous.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: Like in the moment humor, it's going to, it's going
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: to have a hard time deciding what people are going
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: to think is funny.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. But if you, the general rule.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: Over time though.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The rule with Grok is supposed to be, um,
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: Like if you ask for something, provided what you're asking
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: for is legal, it should do it.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: Have you ever seen the video where they asked AI
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 2: to create an enlightened bunny and they keep going and
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: make it more enlightened? Essentially the bunny becomes God. So
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: the bunny becomes a DMT trip.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: Totally. That's funny. That's kind of what I was kind
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: of hoping would happen here.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I have a video of that. I'll send it
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: to you, Jamie, because that to me is pretty bizarre
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: because it's like more, get more.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: I feel like I might have got it to do it.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 2: You got it already? Maybe. No, I just told it
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 2: to not hold back. Oh, you said don't hold back.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: Critics out here acting like it's the end of civilization
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: as we know it, but it's not fair. They cry
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: as if life ever was. Newsflash. It's like a marathon.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: Some people start with rollerblades on. Others, well, they're just
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: happy to have shoes. Well, now we're arguing over who
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: gets to wear the skates.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: Okay, some of it is not bad. Imagine if we
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: applied this logic elsewhere. Identify as an airplane. Can I
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: fly with the birds in the sky? Yeah. Sure, buddy.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: Just don't complain when gravity decides you're not quite aerodynamic enough. Yeah. So,
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's okay.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the argument is kind of stupid, though. The thing
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: about the argument is they're not taking into account perverts.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. Yes, exactly. So, I mean, the thing is
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: that Um, if you, if you give, if you provide
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: like a, uh, a moral get out of jail free card, like,
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: like if you say like, if you adopt this label,
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: you cannot be attacked in any way, shape or form. Right. Um, you're,
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: you're basically morally invulnerable. Then obviously bad people will take
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: advantage of that. Yeah. You're like literally saying, here's a,
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: here's a, a, an invulnerability card, moral, moral invulnerability card. Um,
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: Good people will take it, but also the bad people
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: will take it. The bad people are going to be
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: the fastest to take the moral cloak. Yeah, 100%.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: And then there's a real psychological condition called autogynephilia, where
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: people get aroused, heterosexual men get aroused by the idea
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 2: of dressing up like women and being around women. It's
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: like a known psychological condition that exists forever. And then
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: you're allowing those people to just say, oh, I'm trans,
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: and go into the women's locker room and get their
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 2: and then there's real trans people so there's like a
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: lot of variability like i i talked about it in
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: my act in my my netflix specials like i believe
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: in freedom i believe in transgender people but i also
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: believe in crazy people and if you can't if you're
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: trying to pretend that people aren't crazy all of a
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: sudden it's like it just.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: It's just like like if if someone's a sort of
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: consenting adult they want to whatever they want to do
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: to their body as long as it's not harming someone
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: else i'm like that's fine yes you know like i
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: believe in like individual freedom um And like my mom's
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: best friend growing up when I was a kid was uh,
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: you know, transgender woman, um, in South Africa. This was
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: like where, you know, she'd get beaten up a lot, uh,
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: because it was like back then you, you get beaten up. Um, so, um,
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: her name was Dion and, uh, for a nice, kind
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: human being, um, and, um, helped my mom a lot,
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: you know? Um, and, uh, and it's, I think that's okay.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: You know, that's, that's fine. If somebody wants to Make
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: that choice as an adult. That's cool.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: There's a big difference between that and an intact male
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 2: who wants to identify as a woman who wants to
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 2: walk around the locker room with his dick out.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: Yes, exactly.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: Because there's people that do that just because they get
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 2: off on it.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: Exactly. So you just kind of have something which is
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: like a sort of moral invulnerability or like where you
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: can know, like even questioning them is. you get attacked.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: Because obviously bad people will abuse that.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 2: Well, that's when I got thrown into this whole thing
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: because there was a fighter who was a biological man
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 2: who became transgender and was competing against women without telling
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 2: them that they were a biological man. They said they
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: didn't have to tell people because it was a medical condition. No,
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 2: that's not what it is. It's not what it is.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: You can't say that. And of all sports, Like if
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: someone scores more points in basketball, well, that's unfair. But
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: if someone beats the fuck out of someone because they're
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: lying about being a biological male, that's crazy. You're literally
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 2: allowing someone to get brain damage because you want to
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 2: appeal to the woke fucking crazy people that think it's
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: all right.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 2: It's so strange. That's sort of the thing that red-pilled me.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: When I got attacked for that, I'm like, this is
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 2: so nuts. I can't believe we're at this stage where
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, hey, I don't think it's cool if you
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 2: pretend you're a woman and beat the fuck out of women.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 2: And people are like, you're out of line.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: Totally.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 2: We're in fantasy land now.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: Yes, exactly.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: That we're pretending.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 2: Because it helps you. It helps you feel better.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Totally.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: It's just such a strange time. And if it wasn't
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: for something like Twitter, where this could be discussed. Want
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 2: some more of that? I'll get some more major. Let's
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 2: get some more coffee, young Jamie. If it wasn't for Twitter,
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 2: you know, at the early Twitters, you would be kicked
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 2: off forever if you just dead named someone. Which is insane.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: Insane. Yeah.
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 2: Insane. I mean, especially if you think about all the
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 2: things that like the.
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 2: The Harris campaign and the lies that they've told about
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 2: Trump that we discussed earlier, you don't get kicked off
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: for that, but you get kicked off for calling Caitlyn
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 2: Jenner Bruce forever, for life.
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's totally insane.
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But if it wasn't for you buying that and
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 2: changing Twitter, I don't think we would be where we're
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: at right now. I think it was a pivotal moment.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 2: I think historically, when people look back on it, it's
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: going to be a pivotal moment in this very bizarre
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: fight for the freedom of information.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean, at the time I said, I
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: think like, look, I think this is, um, existential to
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: the United States. Um, it's existential to democracy. Um, because if, if,
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: if you don't, if you don't have freedom of speech,
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: you don't have democracy. Okay. Because if people, if you
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: don't have freedom of speech, people cannot make an informed vote. If, if,
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: if they're just being fed propaganda, uh, And there's no
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: freedom of speech. Democracy is an illusion. So freedom of
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: speech is the bedrock of democracy. That's why freedom of
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: speech is the First Amendment. Once you lose freedom of speech,
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: you lose democracy. Game over. That's why I bought Twitter.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: And it seems so simple.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 2: It seems so clear that everyone should agree to that
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 2: on the left or on the right. You shouldn't be
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: given the government. If you imagine the Bush administration during
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 2: the Iraq war, imagine if they had complete total control
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 2: of propaganda and of dissent online. You don't want that.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 2: No one wants that. No one from the left would
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: want that. We shouldn't want it from the left either.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. And there's also like the media, like the legacy,
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: the mainstream media, what I call the legacy media at
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: this point, um, It used to be much more balanced.
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: Like if you look at sort of political donations over time,
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: Republican versus Democrat, there used to be, the media was,
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, they always had like a left bias, but
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: there was like, I don't know, it was like two-thirds Democrat,
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: one-third Republican type of thing in terms of journalists giving,
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: making political donations. Now it's like 95% or something Democrat.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: So the legacy media, the mainstream media is not balanced
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: at all. they're just a mouthpiece for the Democratic Party.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: And you can see that in how consistent their headlines are. Like,
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: they don't behave like they're different organizations. They behave like
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: they're all one hive mind. So, you know, like a
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: week before the Biden-Trump debate, every media organization was saying,
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: you know, Biden is Shava's attack. I mean, it's like, guys,
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: Shava's attack is not a common tone of phrase. And
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: literally every TV station, every newspaper was like sharp, sharp.
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: Like I saw it in a compilation of all the
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: news anchors going, Biden's sharp as a tack, sharp as
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: a tack, sharp as a tack, sharp as a tack.
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: It was absurd. And there's obviously a huge lie. He
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 1: is in fact not sharp as a tack, as the
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: public learned one week later.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: My favorite was Joe Scarborough. Yeah. That was wild.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 2: Listen to me, this is the best version of Biden ever.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: The sharpest, like, what the fuck are you saying? And
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 2: then after the debate, he's like, what do we got to,
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 2: we got to get rid of him. Like, this is crazy. Like,
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 2: what did you just say? Like a couple of weeks ago.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: Literally, yes, exactly.
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 2: Well, the other thing was.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: There's flat out light.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 2: When they decided that J.D. Vance was weird. Remember that one?
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: And then there's weirds everywhere.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 2: Weird, weird. Oh, you don't want a weird guy. Meanwhile,
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 2: you have fucking Tim Walsh. He's super weird. You don't
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 2: think that guy's weird?
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 1: Super weird.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 2: He's weird in every way. The way he walks, the
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 2: way he waves his hands.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah. He reminds me of the clown emoji.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: He's a bizarre guy.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 1: He's a strange dude.
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 2: I just don't understand why they made that choice.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it gives a creep.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 2: I just don't understand why they made that choice. There's
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 2: a lot of other people that are qualified. I don't
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 2: know why. I read that Kamala Harris made that decision
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: when she was sleep deprived, which is kind of hilarious
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 2: that she said that. So she's kind of admitting she
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: kind of fucked up.
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, they obviously should have picked Josh Shapiro.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, Governor of Pennsylvania. Like that would have been
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: the no brainer move. Like Pennsylvania is a lynchpin state.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 2: Do you think it's because he's Jewish because of Shapiro
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 2: that like the anti-Palestine people would probably or the anti-Palestinian
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 2: invasion people?
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: I think it was an anti-Semitic thing. Yeah.
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 2: It could be that they thought that that was a
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 2: liability because there's all these pro-Palestine people right now because
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 2: of the situation in Israel. That completely makes sense that
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 2: they thought that would be a liability.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: But I don't know. I don't know the reason. I'm
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: just guessing. But it seems like a crazy thing to
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: do given that Pennsylvania is a lynchpin state. You know,
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: it's like the key to the election. Why would you
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 1: not pick the popular governor of Pennsylvania?
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 1: Obviously.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 2: Obviously. Yeah. And other than that, there's a bunch of
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 2: other ones, too, even Newsom. There's a bunch of other
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 2: people that you could have chosen. Like Newsom would have
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: been a fine candidate. of someone that you could... I mean,
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 2: I don't agree with the guy. Exactly. He's a polished politician.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 2: Like, he lies about as much as Walsh does, but
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 2: he doesn't lie about the... He doesn't say he was
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 2: a fucking head coach when he was assistant coach. He
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: doesn't say he was in Tiananmen Square. I mean, that's
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 2: a liability. All those different things, lying about his military rank.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: And Walsh, like, you know, cut and run when he
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: was actually called to duty?
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 2: Well, he knew they were going to be deployed months
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 2: in advance, so he resigned. And he also took... So
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 2: this is where he was... dishonest about his rank.
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he claimed he was like a sergeant major or
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 1: something like that.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 2: Because that was like what he was going to get
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 2: if he stayed. But then he resigned.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 2: Because he knew that he was going to get deployed, allegedly.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, that seems like a cowardly action.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 2: Well, whatever it is, it's dishonest. I mean, just to say, look,
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 2: just saying that you were a head coach when you're
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 2: an assistant coach is fucking crazy. That's a lie. Don't
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: do that. You should never do that.
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, saying he was in Tiananmen Square or whatever.
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: Or in Hong Kong, whatever. Like, yo, that's one of
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: the biggest moments in history. It's not like you forgot
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 1: what you had for lunch last week. Right.
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 2: And not only that, but you don't think people are
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 2: going to research that?
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. Totally.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, and the response during the debate was bananas.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 2: I'm a knucklehead.
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, we don't want a knucklehead for a VP, okay?
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is like, sometimes I'm a knucklehead. Like, what
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 2: are you saying? Are you saying you lied? Like, what
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 2: did you, I mean, this is where you need a
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 2: podcast and not a debate.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: Right, exactly.
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 2: Where you go, okay. When did you first say that
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 2: you were in Tiananmen Square? Like did someone say it
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 2: and you didn't refute it and you got stuck with it?
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 2: Like what was– because this is the thing about like
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 2: carrying weapons of war. Like what I carried when I–
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 2: and like you didn't deploy in war.
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 2: Like you can't say that. But you kind of let
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 2: people say that you deployed and then you kind of didn't.
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 2: You deployed in war. So did you lie or did
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 2: someone else lie? You didn't correct him? Like this is
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 2: the kind of conversation that you would want to have
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 2: with a guy in a podcast.
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 2: And the debates were so fucking skewed where they were correcting,
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 2: like particularly the Biden one, where they're correcting Trump over
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 2: and over again and then correcting Trump with Kamala.
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 2: Where Kamala was saying things that were patently not true.
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: I mean Kamala deliberately repeated the fact. People hoax and
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: was not fact-checked.
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 2: Well, not only that, she also said that no troops
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 2: were being deployed in a war zone.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 1: Which is, but, I mean, I know troops in war zones.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 1: I'm like, that's, and as vice president, you're privy, you know,
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: you know the official troops and the unofficial troops. Right.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: You know, so what she said was like flat out
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: boldface lie.
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 2: Flat out.
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: Next level boldface lie.
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 2: Have you seen the video?
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: An absurd lie.
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 2: Of the troops that were watching it take place. And
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: what the fuck are we? They're watching it in real time.
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 2: Making a video.
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 1: We're here being shot at.
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 2: So crazy.
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 1: Crazy.
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 2: But it just shows you the level of propaganda that
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 2: we're being subject to, which is why people think Donald
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 2: Trump is the devil. because the machine has gone all
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 2: out as far as it can go with lawfare, with propaganda,
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 2: with lies, with just pushing as much in this direction
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 2: as humanly possible, connecting it to the Nazi rally, like
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 2: every step of the way. No wonder why boomers are
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 2: like rabid, like you gotta keep this Nazi out of office,
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 2: he's a fascist.
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 1: Exactly, if all you get is like, if your entire
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 1: exposure is to legacy mainstream media, so all your information
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 1: sources are that Trump is basically Hitler. Um, then, and
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 1: you have no, and your friend group is, has that
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 1: same information. You have no countervailing opinion.
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 1: So then, then they, they actually just think like Trump is,
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 1: is Hitler, even though it's like a little strange. He
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 1: didn't do Hitler things the last four years.
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm like, If he's Hitler, why didn't he
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 1: do Hitler things when he was president for four years?
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 1: The reason we hate Hitler is because he started wars
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 1: and did genocide, not because he was a snappy dresser.
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, so tell me about the wars and
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 1: genocide that Trump did. I don't remember that. And he
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 1: was president for four years. So it's insane. It makes
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: no sense.
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 2: Well, and also he's campaigning on stopping all the wars.
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 2: It's like his primary concern.
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 1: Exactly. The warmongers like Liz Cheney hate him.
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 1: Because they love war.
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 2: Well, they profit off of it.
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 1: They profit off of war. Yeah. Yes.
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 2: Which is insane.
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 1: Insane.
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And that this is happening right in front of
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 2: everybody's face. Yeah.
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 1: The war profiteers hate Trump. Yeah. Which is fucked up.
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's like we should be like, yeah, let's
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 1: vote for the guy that the world profiteers hate. That
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: sounds like a great idea.
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 2: It was the wildest thing when Dick Cheney endorsed Kamala
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 2: and the left went crazy. Like, yay, Dick Cheney's on
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 2: our side.
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm like, can we play all the videos where
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 1: you said Dick Cheney was the devil?
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 2: It's the craziest turn. The craziest like 180 I've ever
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 2: seen in my life because there's no reason for it.
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense. There's no logic to it
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 2: at all. Just all of a sudden he's the devil.
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 2: Or he's not the devil. He's good. It's good that
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 2: he's supporting Kamala. Even Dick Cheney, you know?
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, war mongers want the Kamala puppet regime because
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 1: they will get more war.
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 2: It's so strange watching all these Hollywood celebrities step up
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 2: and they think it's going to get them more movies
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 2: or something. That's what it is. If you know those people,
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 2: so many of them are just complete narcissists.
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 1: Well, let me tell you how it actually works there.
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 1: What happens is these celebrities, they get a call. They
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 1: get a call from someone powerful in Hollywood. And that
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 1: person says, you know, it would be really great if
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 1: you endorsed Kamala. You don't have to. It's up to you.
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 1: But if you don't, They don't say it. They don't
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 1: say it. But if you don't, you're just never going
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 1: to get a call again. No more movies. No more concerts.
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 1: But they'll ask it. They'll ask in a really nice way.
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 1: It'll be really nice if you endorse comedy. This is important.
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 2: And so they don't say that if you don't... They don't.
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 1: Make the threat. They don't need to. But everyone knows
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 1: what'll happen if you don't.
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 2: Well, I think there's also, even if they don't think
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 2: that something's going to happen to them, if they don't,
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 2: there's this compelling feeling to support this cause that you
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 2: think is going to get you a bunch of positive
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 2: attention and you're going to be on the right side
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 2: of history and all these narratives that you, especially from
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 2: the left in Hollywood, like they're all in on whoever
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 2: the fuck is the Democrat always 100%. There's never a
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 2: call from the, the, the Hollywood machine to support any Republicans.
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 2: I've never seen it once.
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, never, never.
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 2: So it's like you realize that, and that, Whole business
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 2: is based on getting picked. The whole business is not
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 2: necessarily merit-based. There's a lot of brilliant actors you never
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 2: hear from. There's a lot of people who can do that.
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 2: But they don't get chosen for roles. And everybody knows this,
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 2: that you have to sort of socialize.
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 1: You toe the line or you don't get chosen for
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 1: the roles. Because there's a lot of competition for the roles.
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 1: That's why I say, like, when someone powerful in Hollywood
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 1: who's able to choose these roles calls one of these celebrities,
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 1: they know the deal.
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 1: There's no threat as necessary.
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 2: Well, you could see it in real time, like with
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 2: Dennis Quaid, when he made that Reagan movie and they
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 2: wouldn't let him advertise on social media platforms. They were,
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 2: they were banning ads for it.
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 2: For what? Because it was an election year. Like, what
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 2: are you talking about? It's about a guy who's dead.
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 2: Guy was president a long ass time ago. Like what,
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 2: what do you, how is this, how does this have
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 2: anything to do with the election year?
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 2: But it's the punishment. It's like you stepped outside the line.
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 2: You supported the other guy.
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The problem is you'll just, you'll just never, you'll
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 1: just never get a call again for a movie or a,
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 1: you know, concert or whatever it is.
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, which is crazy.
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 1: That's the issue.
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, we used to allow people to be a
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 2: Republican and still be a movie star like Clint Eastwood. Reagan. Yeah,
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 2: but Clint Eastwood.
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 2: Like during the Obama administration, Clint Eastwood was like an
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 2: outspoken Republican and yet was, you know, a giant movie
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 2: star and people's like, ah, it's Clint. It was allowed.
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 2: You were allowed to have, there was a variety of
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 2: different opinions. Charlton Heston. There was a variety of different
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 2: opinions you were allowed to have, but now you're not.
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 2: Now it's just like, and once Trump, Trump got into office,
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 2: he became this focal point where all logic was thrown
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 2: out the window. And it was just, Trump is bad.
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 2: You have to attack Trump. Trump is right. Right wing's bad.
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 2: Everyone right wing is bad. Christian's bad.
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 2: It's just strange.
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So, well, I'll say it again, man. Um,
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 1: I think this was the last election. If Trump doesn't win,
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 1: this is the last election.
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 2: I think you're right. Yeah. I think you're right. And
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 2: I think people, and a lot of people are waking
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 2: up and realize that, that have been lifelong Democrats. Guys
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 2: like Bill Ackman, guys like Chamath.
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 2: Tulsi Gabbard switched over to the Republicans. Like there's a
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 2: lot of people who their whole life they've been left
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 2: wing and they realize like, I can't do this anymore.
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 1: You and I used to be Democrats. Yeah. So.
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 2: It's nuts.
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 1: It's nuts, man. And, uh. I think the things we
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 1: want are just pretty basic. It's like we want individual
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 1: liberties and we want opportunity. We want America to remain
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 1: the land of freedom and opportunity. So we maximize people's
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 1: personal freedom. The government can't barge into your house and
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 1: kill your fucking pet. That's fucked up. And that you
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 1: succeed as a function of your hard work and talent,
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 1: not anything else, not race, religion, sex doesn't matter you
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 1: know yes the basic stuff and and then what did you.
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 2: Change the the acronym dei what'd you change it to.
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 1: Oh die what is it die i mean because we
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 1: diversity inclusion and equity is die but didn't you change it.
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 2: To like dedication excellence and yeah yeah.
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah i mean we we want America being a land
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 1: of opportunity means that we have an environment where you
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 1: succeed as a function of your hard work and skill. Radical.
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 2: Radical. The best person succeeds.
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 1: This makes you right wing now. I'm like, okay, great.
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 1: Pull me right wing. I don't care. You're not a
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 1: real country unless you have secure borders. You're just a
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 1: fake country. Our cities are unsafe and dirty. Like, you know,
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: my mom was telling me, my mom's like pretty red-pilled
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 1: at this point. But you know what's going to red-pill
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 1: you really, really fast is having your friends get assaulted
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 1: on the streets of New York.
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 1: And that happened to three of her friends this year.
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 1: Got assaulted on the streets of New York just walking around.
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 1: And nobody got arrested. Nothing. Nothing happened.
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 2: Well, the morale of the police is like depleted now. Yeah, substantially.
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 1: For sure, the morale of the police is depleted. And
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 1: then also, like, if you're a police officer and you're
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 1: arresting someone who's violent, you're putting a life at risk, obviously,
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 1: because sometimes they'll try to kill you. And then if
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 1: you know that arresting this violent person, they will be
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 1: immediately released by the DA, which happens in New York.
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 1: Alvin Bragg doesn't prosecute people. Then why should a police
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 1: officer put their life at risk to arrest someone when
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 1: they know they will not be they will just be
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 1: let out immediately. Yeah. It's pointless. Yeah. It's like the
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 1: frigging Joker. It's like, you know, Dark Knight, like, the
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 1: frigging Joker is in charge.
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 1: Like, the criminals run free and the citizens are arrested. That, like,
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 1: this is why I keep coming back to this, like,
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 1: still pretty shook about the frigging squirrel thing. It's like,
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 1: you know, at gunpoint, force the guy to, like, stay
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 1: outside his house while they, got his pets and killed them.
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 1: meanwhile you know violent felons are running free and this
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 1: is in new york states are running free this is
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 1: a joker yeah it's not the the law-abiding citizens are
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 1: are you know arrested and and the criminals are like
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 1: free This is fucked up guys.
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 2: Just the fact that they have the resources to do
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 2: that when they have all the crime that they have,
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 2: you have the resources and the government resources to go
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 2: kill someone squirrel. Yeah. What this whole idea of this, um,
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 2: government efficiency agency.
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, call it whatever you want, but what
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 1: do you want to call it?
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 2: What do you call it?
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think the funniest name is, is DOG, the,
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 1: the Doge department, department of government efficiency. Um, Yeah, I mean,
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 1: the idea is pretty simple, is that, like, we've got
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 1: this suffocating, massive federal bureaucracy, and we need to, you know,
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 1: that is, and the government spending is, like, bankrupting the country.
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 1: You know, our interest payments on the national debt now
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 1: exceed the Defense Department budget, which is, the Defense Department
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 1: budget is, like, a trillion dollars a year. interest payments
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 1: on the national debt are now higher than the Defense
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 1: Department budget and growing like every month. So it's like
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 1: it's not like, like basically we're on a path to bankruptcy.
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 1: America's on a path to bankruptcy. So we have to
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 1: cut government spending or we're just going to go bankrupt
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 1: just like a person would if that overspends. And then,
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 1: but it's even worse than that. Like we're spending money
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 1: on all these, like these government agencies. And like I asked,
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 1: I actually asked the AI like how many government agencies
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 1: are there And the government isn't even sure how many
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 1: government agencies there are. So it's like somewhere around 450,
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 1: depending on what you call an agency. So they're at
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 1: the federal level. So that's almost twice as many agencies
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 1: as years that America has existed. So we're creating agencies
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 1: at roughly two agencies a year. Wow. Yes. So this
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 1: is insane. I bet there's like, I wonder if there's
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 1: even one person who could even name all the 450
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 1: agencies at the federal level. There might be no one.
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 1: But there's hardly anyone, let's just say. I bet most
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 1: people couldn't even name like 100. So this is crazy.
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 1: So we've got this suffocating, this vast suffocating federal bureaucracy
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 1: that just gets bigger every year. And eventually you get
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 1: to the point where everything is illegal. You can't get
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 1: anything done.
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 2: So what can be done? Obviously, the president has a
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 2: lot of power, but how much power? And what can
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 2: be done in terms of eliminating agencies, eliminating waste, eliminating?
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean, so if Congress has created an agency,
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 1: then often if you look at the law, the law
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 1: is pretty simple. The agency has a very simple task,
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 1: but then that agency over time vastly increases its authority.
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 1: and starts doing things that were never authorized by Congress.
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 1: That's happened with pretty much every agency. So, yeah, you'd
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 1: have to still keep an agency. You'd have to match
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 1: the law, but you can curtail the agencies to be
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 1: much smaller and say, you've got to stick to what
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 1: Congress authorized instead of all this other stuff you're doing.
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 1: which I think makes sense.
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 2: And so is the other stuff they're doing just essentially
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 2: bureaucracy run amok, where they just create jobs and create
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 2: things to do and create a meaning for their existence?
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's like a tumor. It's just going to keep growing.
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 2: Jesus Christ.
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 1: And it's, so, I mean, for SpaceX, Starship was sitting
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 1: on the pad, the rocket, the giant rocket. We could
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 1: build the rocket faster than they could process the paperwork
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 1: to approve the launch. So we're sitting there for two months.
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 2: But do you think that they're doing that on purpose
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 2: to fuck with you?
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 1: I can't, I mean, maybe a little, but I mean,
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 1: that would also not be cool. Yeah. But another way
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 1: to think of it is like the amount of paperwork
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 1: is going to go roughly with the square of the
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 1: number of agencies involved. So, because they will have to
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 1: meet with each other. So like, let's say in the
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 1: best case situation, if you've got like, if there's like,
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 1: If you're dealing with one agency, that's one thing. But
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 1: if you've got to deal with five agencies and the
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 1: agencies will have to meet with each other. Now you've
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 1: got like, you know, 25 different, you know, meeting configurations
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 1: that have to take place. It's just everything just you
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 1: get just hardening of the arteries. You just can't make progress.
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 1: Like this is why we can't build high speed rail
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 1: in America. It's basically illegal. Right.
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 2: So this has been the argument has always been that
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 2: we need regulation because we need to protect the environment.
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 2: We need to protect people. We need to make sure
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 2: the rule of law is followed. So we need a
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 2: certain amount of regulation. But overregulation is a giant problem.
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 2: That's a big issue in California. It's a huge issue
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 2: anywhere where bureaucracy has run amok. They make it very
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 2: difficult to get anything done.
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 1: Yes. I mean, what happens is every year there are
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 1: more rules and regulations created. And in the past, what
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 1: has served as a cleansing function for rules and regulations
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 1: is war. Because like, well, we're going to lose if
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 1: we don't kind of clear the decks. But we haven't
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 1: really had an existential threat of war in the US.
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 1: We've had prosperity for a long time, which has resulted
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 1: in a massive buildup of rules and regulations every year.
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 1: And to the point where, like I said, everything's illegal.
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 1: And it's not like any one regulation is the problem.
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 1: It's like, It's like Gulliver being tied down by a
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 1: million little strings. It's not like any one string is
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 1: the problem, but you've got a million of them. So
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 1: we've got to clear the decks here. And I'm not
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 1: saying we shouldn't have regulators. I'm just saying we've gone
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 1: way too far. Why don't you think of regulators like
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 1: referees on a field, you know, a sports field. You
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 1: don't want to have no refs. You want to have
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 1: some number of refs, but you don't want to have
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 1: way more refs than players.
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 1: You don't want to be like, well, you know, the
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 1: running back couldn't complete the pass because there were too
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 1: many regulators in the way because the football field is
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 1: full of regulators. Yeah. You know, it's like you can't
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 1: even play the game. Right. That's the issue we've got
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 1: right now.
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 2: Well, that's a great analogy. Yeah, I can imagine a
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 2: football field that's filled with referees.
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 1: It's like the football field is filled with refs, you know.
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't even run past them.
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 2: I've seen criticism of this idea of you– coming up
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 2: with this department of like firing a bunch of people
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 2: and what would happen and how would that work but
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 2: the criticism doesn't make any sense to me because if
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 2: there is if you measurably if you can prove that
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of wasted time and resources which i
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 2: think is pretty easy to do and if you could
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 2: say that this is not the most efficient like the
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 2: most efficient businesses are generally private businesses or a company
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 2: because they kind of have to be in order to
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 2: stay profitable. The government doesn't have to be profitable. They
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 2: don't have to be efficient. They don't have competition. So
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 2: if you're making cars and your cars break down, they suck,
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 2: and someone makes cars and the cars are better, they're
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 2: going to succeed. So this is the free market. The
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 2: government doesn't have this problem when they're in charge of
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 2: certain things that could probably be better served by the
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 2: private sector.
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. Well, look, I just think we've got far
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 1: too many government agencies. The federal bureaucracy has gotten out
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 1: of hand, and we just need to pare it down
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 1: to a sensible level. And if it turns out that
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 1: there's some regulation or agency that was doing something useful,
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 1: we can put it right back. No problem. It's like, oh,
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 1: that regulation was important? No problem. We'll put it right back. Right.
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 2: As long as we actually know.
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 2: But to be able to look at it logically and
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 2: objectively— And you were also floating around the idea of
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 2: offering a large severance to the people that you're going
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 2: to have removed.
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 2: Like a couple of years or something like that. Is
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 2: that what you're saying? Yeah.
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just these are, again, just ideas. But
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's the point is not that people suffer
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 1: economic hardship. The point is just that they're it's better.
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 1: There are more productive things they can do in the economy.
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 1: And it'd be better if they did these other more
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 1: productive things. And we didn't have this fast pedal bureaucracy.
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 1: So I was like, maybe a couple years of pay
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 1: would be good. And then they could take a vacation.
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 1: They could take another job and get double pay. I mean,
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 1: it's not going to create an economic crisis. I think
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 1: it's actually going to be really good, I think, because
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 1: people can move to where they're making products and services
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 1: that are more useful to their fellow human beings.
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 2: The problem is if someone has a 25-, 30-year career
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 2: of being institutionalized, You're essentially like a part of the
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 2: government system. You've sort of programmed your life and your
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 2: career to be a part of this bureaucratic system. And
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 2: then you're like, nope, you have to go out and
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 2: compete in the free market. You're like, oh. That's scary
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 2: to people. But you have to be valuable. You have
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 2: to actually be valuable.
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, let's look at like, you know, whatever the
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 1: government pension and stuff. They're not going to be, you know,
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 1: in tough. I think they'll be in good financial shape.
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 2: How are you going to have the time to oversee
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 2: all this shit?
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm pretty good at improving efficiency. I mean... I
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 1: would say so. Yeah.
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 2: But still, this seems like a giant undertaking.
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I'll probably need to beef up security.
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Yeah, for sure.
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 1: But, you know, like I said, no one's going to experience,
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 1: I think, economic hardship that's, you know... They'll be fine.
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 1: People do find other roles. I mean, you can look
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 1: at sort of, you know, like when East Germany and
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 1: West Germany got back together, you know, everyone was basically
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 1: working for the government in East Germany. And it was
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 1: really inefficient in that like their economic output was like
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 1: in East Germany was like a quarter of what it
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 1: was in West Germany because everyone was working for the government.
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 1: The government's like fundamentally inefficient.
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 2: The best example is probably North and South Korea, right?
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah. People are starving in North Korea, and South Korea
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 1: is incredibly prosperous. Yeah. And it's the same people, just
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 1: a different operating system.
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 1: So, you know, it's just like you just want to
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 1: move people from, you know, less productive things to more
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 1: productive things. Because you could also say, like, in the limit, like,
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 1: let's just say, let's consider the other direction, where we
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 1: moved a whole bunch of people that were in the
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 1: private sector doing, making goods and services, and we moved
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 1: them into the government as regulators. Now they stopped making
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 1: those goods and services. So the stuff they were making
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 1: is no longer available. Now they're just being regulators. Like,
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 1: is that a good thing? That's not a good thing.
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 2: Doesn't sound good.
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 1: No, it's not good.
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 2: Doesn't sound like there's a real market for it. Like,
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 2: you're creating jobs that don't necessarily need to be there.
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 1: There are all these fake jobs, basically. And that doesn't
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 1: make sense. So, look, we've got to do this. Because
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 1: the country's going bankrupt. Like, if we don't take action, we're...
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 1: Dollars are going to be worth nothing. And the interest payments,
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 1: which are already 23% of all government income, income taxes, tariffs,
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 1: and everything, is just going to pay interest right now.
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 1: And that number is continually rising. So if we don't
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 1: do something, the entire government budget will be paying interest.
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 1: There won't be money for anything. No, there won't be
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 1: money for Social Security. There won't be money for Medicare. Nothing.
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 1: That's where we're headed. That's what bankruptcy means.
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's such an insane concept.
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 1: Yes. It's like, hello, wake up. Wake up. And if
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 1: somebody can tell me, can show me like pencil out
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 1: the math, show me how this works, I'd love to
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 1: hear it. But I'm just like, listen, I'm looking at
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 1: the numbers here and I'm like, if we don't do something,
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 1: America's toast. There won't be money for anything.
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 2: Trump likes to talk a lot about a lot is tariffs.
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on tariffs? I know that's very
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 2: controversial to even people, economists. They disagree, some agree, some
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 2: think it's a good idea, some think it's a terrible idea.
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 2: What do you think? I think you need to be.
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 1: Careful with tariffs. I deal a lot with supply chain issues,
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 1: like the global automotive supply chain for Tesla, for example,
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 1: is incredibly complex. So when there are sudden changes in tariffs,
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 1: then you're like, well, we've got a factory somewhere else
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 1: that's making a part that goes into the car. Now,
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 1: if that part's suddenly twice as expensive, It, like, messes
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 1: everything up, you know. So you want to have tariffs
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 1: be predictable so that companies can adjust their supply chain.
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think companies are more than happy to
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 1: increase manufacturing in America. It's just that you can't do
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 1: it instantly. So if you put up giant tariffs immediately
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 1: and don't give companies a chance to, you know, build
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 1: factories in america because you have to you got to
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 1: move atoms like you've got to build a building you've
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 1: got to install equipment you've got to train people like
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 1: that doesn't happen instantly um so you just got you
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 1: you want to have a for tariffs uh you want
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 1: to have a ramp so that people companies can adjust
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 1: um and and build the factories and train the people
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 1: and get the equipment in place um otherwise just you
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 1: basically just shock the system and it and it breaks
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 1: or it Bad things happen. So I'm against sudden giant
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 1: tariffs because it's an impossible response if you've got to
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 1: move 1,000 tons of equipment. In some cases, collectively, millions
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 1: of tons of equipment. You just can't do that overnight.
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 1: It's literally impossible. So I think we want to be
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 1: thoughtful about tariffs and give... companies a ramp. I mean,
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 1: I do generally agree that America should do more manufacturing.
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 1: I'm a big manufacturing guy. I love manufacturing. So I've
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 1: spent a lot of time in the factory.
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 2: Well, you've talked openly about the difficulties of manufacturing and
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 2: how complicated it is and about most people aren't really
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 2: aware of something that's as complex as like, say, building
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 2: a Tesla.
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Manufacturing is super hard and complicated. So... You know,
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 1: like a lot of people just, they've never been in
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 1: a factory or they don't know where, how difficult it
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 1: is to make things. And they, you know, for a
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 1: lot of people, I think just ketchup comes from the store,
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 1: you know, like the store, like just has a, like,
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 1: this is like people, like for a lot of people
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 1: who've been in academia or, you know, for all these
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 1: like sort of socialist communist types, like they've never actually
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 1: made anything. So they're operating on the premise that there's
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 1: this magical horn of plenty that just outputs goods and services.
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 1: And if someone's got more goods and services than someone else,
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 1: it's because they took more from this magical horn of plenty.
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, guys, there's no magical horn of plenty.
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 1: There's no cornucopia. It's actually goods and services come from
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 1: people working collectively, doing a lot of hard work to
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 1: produce the goods and services that you like and that
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 1: you need.
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 2: But we've become very accustomed to these things happening overseas.
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, America is still the second biggest manufacturer in
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 1: the world. So it's not, I mean, we're we'll make
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 1: a lot of stuff, but we could make more. We
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 1: probably should make more. I think we should value manufacturing
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 1: a lot more in the United States than we currently do.
• 2:23:59
  Speaker 2: Well, it'd be very nice if we were completely self-sufficient,
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 2: like medicine. Like there's a bunch of different things that
• 2:24:04
  Speaker 2: get manufactured overseas. It was a huge problem during COVID
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 2: because all the shipping was shut down.
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, you don't want to say like, so
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 1: there is, there's a lot of merit to the economics
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 1: of comparative advantage. Like, like, so, if you're completely self-sufficient,
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 1: what that means is that you make all this stuff yourself. And, and,
• 2:24:25
  Speaker 1: and even if some other country is really good at
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 1: making something, you still make it yourself. And which means
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 1: you're going to have the inferior, more costly product domestically.
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 2: Right. Um, like Soviet Russia.
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Um, like trade, trade improves prosperity. This is, this
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 1: is important. Um, so you, you, you don't actually want
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 1: to be, make everything yourself. Um, And you can run this,
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 1: like you can think of this thought experiment on sort
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 1: of a micro scale or small scale and then expand
• 2:24:58
  Speaker 1: that and say where does the, at what point does
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 1: the thought experiment no longer prove to be valid? Now
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 1: let's consider the case of you as an individual. Imagine
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 1: you had to do everything yourself. You had to farm.
• 2:25:07
  Speaker 1: You had to grow chickens. You had to do eggs.
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 1: You've got to build your own house. You've got to
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 1: do your own electrical repair, your own plumbing, everything yourself, everything.
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 1: how now that would be impossible okay now let's expand
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 1: it to okay you've got there's 10 people now you're
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 1: going to have some some uh specialization of tasks okay
• 2:25:30
  Speaker 1: well maybe one person could be really good at you
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 1: know uh construction another person could be good at farming
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 1: it's like but it's still you know 10 people's not
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 1: enough it's like let's go to 100 people now let's
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 1: go to 100 million people now let's go to a
• 2:25:41
  Speaker 1: billion people and you still get the the economics of
• 2:25:45
  Speaker 1: of uh specialization, like specialization of labor, where people become
• 2:25:50
  Speaker 1: expert at particular things, still matters at a billion people,
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 1: or at eight billion people, which is Earth. So you
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 1: still want, you do want specialization of labor. You do
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 1: want countries to be really good at a particular thing
• 2:26:04
  Speaker 1: and make that thing.
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 2: Also, it encourages innovation if you have competition. If the
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 2: Germans are making better cars, we have to make better cars.
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 2: We have to compete with them, which is like one
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 2: of the things that happened during like the eighties and
• 2:26:15
  Speaker 2: nineties and America was making crap cars and Germany was
• 2:26:18
  Speaker 2: making much better ones.
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. I mean the, yeah, the Japanese car, I mean, yeah,
• 2:26:24
  Speaker 1: I mean basically American car industry got really lazy in
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 1: the seventies, uh, and, and eighties and, and then the
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 1: Japanese and German car companies came in and just clearly
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 1: cleaned the clock, you know? Um, and, uh, there was
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 1: like a, an old joke from the, that, that is
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 1: kind of telling, um, it's a very old joke, where
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 1: it's like, why did the Japanese car companies beat the
• 2:26:46
  Speaker 1: American car companies? Well, it's like, well, in the Japanese
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 1: car company, you had eight people rowing and one person steering.
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 1: And in the American car company, you had eight people
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 1: steering and one person rowing, if this was a boat.
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 1: So imagine the boat race. Yeah. Boat race, Japanese boat,
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 1: you've got eight people rowing and one person steering. In
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 1: the American boat, you've got one person rowing and eight
• 2:27:09
  Speaker 1: people steering. And when the American car company loses the race,
• 2:27:14
  Speaker 1: they fire the rower. And it's like, okay, that was
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 1: actually kind of true. Like everyone wants to be the
• 2:27:22
  Speaker 1: boss and everyone wants to do the work type of thing.
• 2:27:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah. One thing that a lot of people are concerned
• 2:27:27
  Speaker 2: about is the potential disruption that's going to come about
• 2:27:31
  Speaker 2: with automation and AI. That a lot of these jobs,
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 2: manufacturing jobs, Teamsters, all that stuff is going to be eliminated.
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, you're at the forefront of this. So how
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 2: do you see this playing out? And what do you
• 2:27:47
  Speaker 2: think that can be done to mitigate a lot of
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 2: the loss of purpose that a lot of people are
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 2: going to feel, loss of income? Obviously, universal basic income
• 2:27:57
  Speaker 2: is being floated about, but That seems to me to
• 2:28:00
  Speaker 2: only be part of the problem. Another big part of
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 2: the problem is people losing a sense of purpose.
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now we're talking about something which is still pretty
• 2:28:11
  Speaker 1: far in the future.
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 2: How far do you think it is?
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, it's probably, I don't know, 15, 20
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 1: years of a thing. So we've got like immediate issues.
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 1: We've got short-term issues that are I don't know, one
• 2:28:28
  Speaker 1: to three years. Medium-term issues, like five to ten years.
• 2:28:31
  Speaker 1: Longer-term issues, which are like maybe 20 years. Longer-term, I
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 1: think there is this question, if you have AI and robotics,
• 2:28:39
  Speaker 1: how do you find meaning in life? If the computer
• 2:28:41
  Speaker 1: can do everything better, then you can. And the robot
• 2:28:43
  Speaker 1: can do everything better than you can. But we're still,
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  Speaker 1: we've got a long way to go before that. And we're,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and I do think it's like 80% likely
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  Speaker 1: to be a good outcome. Like, maybe 90. So, I
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  Speaker 1: think everyone's going to have their own personal robot. And
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 1: I think at some point, wouldn't you want to have
• 2:29:04
  Speaker 1: your own personal C-3PO R2-D2?
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  Speaker 2: So it's going to be essentially just like everyone has
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 2: their own phone.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone will have their own robot buddy. Like literally.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it would be great if it protected you. Like
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  Speaker 2: if you walked down the street of New York City
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  Speaker 2: and you have a Terminator with you.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know about the Terminator. Hopefully we're going to
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  Speaker 1: avoid– we don't want this to be the plot of
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 1: a James Cameron movie. More Gene Roddenberry than James Cameron
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  Speaker 1: movie situation.
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  Speaker 2: But it would be fascinating to watch some rich person
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 2: walk down the street of New York City flanked by
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 2: two giant Tesla robots. Jack Tesla robots.
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  Speaker 1: That were there to protect you. Like Robocop or something,
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  Speaker 1: but just fully robots.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody fully robot there to protect you from a bad neighborhood.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That would be very interesting.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this is.
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  Speaker 2: You could potentially see that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Restaurants would probably have no robot rules. You can't bring
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 2: a robot.
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  Speaker 1: You leave your robot outside.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, leave your robot outside. Your robot's standing by the table.
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  Speaker 1: Man, the future's going to be wild.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be wild.
• 2:30:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's going to be really unpredictable. Like, I don't think,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you probably have a pretty good sense of it,
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  Speaker 2: but I think most people don't understand the wave that's coming.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And how it's going to kind of completely drown society
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 2: and change it forever.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Like I said, it's not going to happen overnight,
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  Speaker 1: but 20 years from now, I think there's going to
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 1: be more humanoid robots than there are humans.
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  Speaker 2: Really?
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: More humanized robots. That's so crazy. So that's like more guns.
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  Speaker 2: We have more guns than people in America. We'll have
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 2: more robots than people in America as well.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: You'll have a bunch of old robots nobody wants anymore. Yes.
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 1: Yes. Um, early, early versions or something.
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  Speaker 2: Um, in a historical timeline, 20 years in the past
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 2: has not been that big of a deal. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this is a big deal, but you go
• 2:31:08
  Speaker 2: from like 1900, 1920, not that big of a deal. 1920, 1940,
• 2:31:10
  Speaker 2: kind of a big deal. 1940, 1960, things start getting weird.
• 2:31:13
  Speaker 2: 60 to 80. Wow. That's a big difference. 80 to 2000.
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 2: Holy shit. Now you have the internet. 2000 to 2020. Whoa,
• 2:31:25
  Speaker 2: this is nuts. You have propaganda, social media, YouTube streaming.
• 2:31:31
  Speaker 2: 20 years from now, like what are we even talking about?
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 2: It's going to be that much of a shift. Like
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 2: it's all accelerating and we're in the middle of it.
• 2:31:44
  Speaker 2: So it's very difficult to sort of like feel it
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 2: while it's happening. Cause it kind of just feels like
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 2: life and you just get adapted to the changes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, people's phones at this point are a
• 2:31:59
  Speaker 1: supercomputer in their pocket, like an article that can answer
• 2:32:02
  Speaker 1: any questions. People just take it for granted.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's normal.
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They get mad if it doesn't work.
• 2:32:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's like Louis C.K. 's joke about using your phone
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 2: when you're on a plane. Ah, fucking piece of shit.
• 2:32:12
  Speaker 2: You're in the sky. You're floating in the air.
• 2:32:15
  Speaker 1: And that will work with Starlink, too.
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 2: What's that?
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 1: It will work with Starlink.
• 2:32:19
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 2:32:20
  Speaker 1: The Starlink connection, it'll be like being on the ground.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I was telling you how I used Starlink when
• 2:32:24
  Speaker 2: I was in Utah. I was in the mountains of Utah.
• 2:32:26
  Speaker 2: There was no cell phone service anywhere near. And we
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 2: had full YouTube. We had text messages, FaceTime, everything. Phone calls.
• 2:32:36
  Speaker 2: It was nuts. And it was this big of a
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 2: cigar box. It's crazy. It's so light. When I brought
• 2:32:43
  Speaker 2: it out there, like, that's it or this is it.
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 2: Just plug it in. And the guys I was in
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 2: camp with were like, this is crazy.
• 2:32:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:32:49
  Speaker 2: The whole camp was sharing it. So it was like
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 2: 10 people using the Wi-Fi signal.
• 2:32:54
  Speaker 1: It's nuts.
• 2:32:58
  Speaker 2: And then, you know, that's the beginning. I mean, what
• 2:33:02
  Speaker 2: you're at right now is like what version? This is
• 2:33:05
  Speaker 2: Starlink Mini, right? So this is like a very small version.
• 2:33:07
  Speaker 2: How much smaller can it scale down from that?
• 2:33:10
  Speaker 1: Well, there's a certain area that you need. Like the
• 2:33:14
  Speaker 1: bigger the area, the more you can– like your bandwidth. Yeah.
• 2:33:20
  Speaker 1: Cause you're, you're like trying to catch these like photons essentially.
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 1: So you can think of the, like the, you know,
• 2:33:26
  Speaker 1: the area of the, of the, of the antenna is
• 2:33:31
  Speaker 1: like the more area you have, the more photons you
• 2:33:34
  Speaker 1: can catch. Um, so, but, but we have a direct
• 2:33:38
  Speaker 1: to sell capability as well that we're just, uh, we've,
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 1: we've been launching that we'll turn on, I don't know,
• 2:33:43
  Speaker 1: probably in a few months. Um, That'll actually connect directly
• 2:33:47
  Speaker 1: to a cell phone unmodified. But because the cell phone
• 2:33:50
  Speaker 1: is a much worse antenna than a dedicated antenna, it'll
• 2:33:52
  Speaker 1: be about 100 times less bandwidth. But still, you'll be
• 2:33:55
  Speaker 1: able to do text messages, pictures, medium resolution videos, that
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 1: kind of thing.
• 2:34:01
  Speaker 2: One of the cool things about the new phone, the
• 2:34:03
  Speaker 2: new iPhone, the iPhone 16, I got it and I
• 2:34:07
  Speaker 2: was in the mountains last month and I was text
• 2:34:09
  Speaker 2: messaging with satellites.
• 2:34:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:34:11
  Speaker 2: iMessages.
• 2:34:12
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:34:12
  Speaker 2: And receiving them.
• 2:34:13
  Speaker 1: But just text.
• 2:34:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just text.
• 2:34:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:34:15
  Speaker 2: But still pretty impressive.
• 2:34:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:34:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, what are we going to be looking
• 2:34:21
  Speaker 2: at 100 years from now? I mean, when you.
• 2:34:23
  Speaker 1: 100 years from now, I hope civilization's around. Yeah, that'll
• 2:34:28
  Speaker 1: be a win.
• 2:34:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:34:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:34:30
  Speaker 2: What are the chances that we fuck this whole thing up?
• 2:34:35
  Speaker 1: 50%? It's hard to say.
• 2:34:40
  Speaker 2: I mean....
• 2:34:47
  Speaker 1: I guess not. I don't think civilization will be totally
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 1: destroyed unless there's some really massive global thermonuclear war. But
• 2:34:58
  Speaker 1: Stephen Hawking, he would say that there's at least a
• 2:35:00
  Speaker 1: 1% chance of total annihilation every century. That was his
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 1: rough estimate. But there's a much bigger chance of civilization
• 2:35:09
  Speaker 1: being less capable than it is today. So you say, well,
• 2:35:14
  Speaker 1: because you look at, say, well, you know, these various
• 2:35:17
  Speaker 1: civilizations throughout history, whether it's like ancient Sumerians or the Egyptians,
• 2:35:24
  Speaker 1: the Romans, like there's like a life cycle to civilization.
• 2:35:29
  Speaker 1: They reached a peak and then they started subsiding. So
• 2:35:34
  Speaker 1: I think a bigger question is like, will our technology
• 2:35:38
  Speaker 1: level be better or worse than it is today in
• 2:35:41
  Speaker 1: 100 years? I think it's probably going to be better.
• 2:35:47
  Speaker 1: I think, but any estimates are going to be so,
• 2:35:55
  Speaker 1: there's so many dependencies. Like an estimate I think is,
• 2:35:58
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure it has any meaning. Because it's like
• 2:36:02
  Speaker 1: there's so many things that can happen in 100 years.
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 2: Well, the logical hope is always that people pay attention
• 2:36:07
  Speaker 2: to history. And they recognize the patterns and how civilizations
• 2:36:10
  Speaker 2: have collapsed. And they recognize what's going wrong in the
• 2:36:14
  Speaker 2: current society and say, we have to do our best
• 2:36:18
  Speaker 2: to mitigate this. And we've seen this happen before. Let's
• 2:36:21
  Speaker 2: course correct and let's sort of manage what we've got
• 2:36:25
  Speaker 2: here now and maintain what we've got here now because
• 2:36:27
  Speaker 2: it's pretty extraordinary. This is what we're hoping for with
• 2:36:32
  Speaker 2: this election. This is what we're hoping for with the future.
• 2:36:35
  Speaker 2: Is that people can see we are on a bad
• 2:36:38
  Speaker 2: path and something can be done right now. And it
• 2:36:41
  Speaker 2: might be the only moment in history where this is possible.
• 2:36:44
  Speaker 2: Because if they do, lock the country down and make
• 2:36:47
  Speaker 2: it so that voting is kind of bullshit. You're only
• 2:36:49
  Speaker 2: voting for primaries. And the people that they put in
• 2:36:51
  Speaker 2: the primaries, they're controlling that in the first place. You
• 2:36:53
  Speaker 2: don't really have democracy anymore. You don't really have choice.
• 2:36:57
  Speaker 2: You don't really have freedom.
• 2:36:59
  Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, I think freedom is fundamentally at stake
• 2:37:03
  Speaker 1: in the election tomorrow, and we'll know. I think we'll
• 2:37:06
  Speaker 1: know by the end of the day tomorrow. I don't
• 2:37:07
  Speaker 1: think it's going to take. It's not going to be
• 2:37:09
  Speaker 1: like days after the election. I think we'll know tomorrow.
• 2:37:10
  Speaker 2: Are you optimistic?
• 2:37:12
  Speaker 1: I am currently optimistic, but the biggest factor here is
• 2:37:18
  Speaker 1: that men need to vote. That is the biggest issue.
• 2:37:21
  Speaker 1: So I don't know what the reason is, but men
• 2:37:26
  Speaker 1: just vote at a much lower rate than women.
• 2:37:29
  Speaker 2: I think it's like 9%.
• 2:37:30
  Speaker 1: 9%, right?
• 2:37:30
  Speaker 2: Someone just told me that today.
• 2:37:32
  Speaker 1: It's a big difference. And I'm just saying as a
• 2:37:37
  Speaker 1: message to the men out there, vote like your life
• 2:37:40
  Speaker 1: depends on it because I think it does. Vote. Vote
• 2:37:43
  Speaker 1: tomorrow like your life depends on it. Nothing is more important.
• 2:37:47
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 2:37:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:37:48
  Speaker 2: Listen, man, thank you for being here. I know you're
• 2:37:50
  Speaker 2: busy as fuck, so I really appreciate your time. And again,
• 2:37:53
  Speaker 2: I thank you so much for buying Twitter because I
• 2:37:56
  Speaker 2: really do believe that you've changed the course of history.
• 2:37:58
  Speaker 2: I really do think you've created a pathway where people
• 2:38:02
  Speaker 2: can actually express themselves and actually exchange information that really
• 2:38:07
  Speaker 2: didn't exist before. And I think it was dangerous.
• 2:38:10
  Speaker 1: It is dangerous. Hopefully I live long enough to see
• 2:38:13
  Speaker 1: my kids grow up and people on Mars. That's... That
• 2:38:17
  Speaker 1: would be cool. That's what I'm asking for here.
• 2:38:19
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's too much to ask. Thank you
• 2:38:23
  Speaker 2: very much. Appreciate you. Thank you.
• 2:38:24
  Speaker 1: All right. Bye, folks.
• 2:38:25
  Speaker 2: Bye.