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Episode 115 - The Brazil Strain with Izzy Nobre · The Dr. Joe Show

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  So guys, what's going on?
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  How have things been?
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  Mark, what's happening?
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  Amazing feeling. Great.
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  You know, it's been a good week, and I'm looking forward
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  to the weekend and things are great. Dr.
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  It's been
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  a busy, busy time,
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  but it looks like we may be more hopeful now than we have been in over a year.
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  I don't know about you guys, but I'm I'm fully vaccinated.
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  I'm a donor.
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  My son is vaccinated with Johnson Johnson.
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  So we're doing our own internal study.
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  We'll see what happens over the next year, you know?
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  Tom, what's going on with you?
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  Well, I'm feeling a little nostalgic, Dr. Joe.
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  This is this is around the same time when we started our nightly
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  Facebook Live events instead of the pandemic.
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  It's really true.
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  It is true.
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  We started doing some extra things.
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  I cannot believe it's been that long.
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  We haven't been actually physically in studio.
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  And Tom, I'm not even sure the last time I actually saw you in person.
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  November. Wow.
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  It's funny you mentioned that, Tom.
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  I'm getting the Facebook memories from last year,
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  and it's it's almost like a journal if you will.
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  And I find looking back on those those days now, understanding
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  that it wasn't so new.
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  Now, but then and how we were dealing
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  with it and reacting and calling some good, good shots.
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  And now our production value, our production value is just
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  the ceiling.
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  It's great.
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  It's great. And life is real.
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  Who's is that your dog, Tom?
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  That is Dizzy.
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  Me? No, I have a daughter
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  that is more.
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  The dog's name is this. Dog.
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  Oh, your dog's name is this thing to a speaking of is he could.
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  Could you introduce our guest for tonight's Dr.
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  Joe show?
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  Well, it's not just the warmth of fruit flavored fuel that's got me excited.
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  We are welcoming vlogger, youtuber,
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  handheld console aficionado and fellow tech show alumnus, is he not?
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  Hey, how are you doing, man?
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  Right on. Thanks for having me, guys.
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  This is exciting.
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  What you told me for a loop with the dog is your dog's name is actually Izzy.
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  Izzy. Isabel.
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  You know.
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  Yeah. Threw me for a loop, too, so.
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  Yeah, because. No, like, I wasn't.
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  You said I didn't have.
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  I wasn't ready.
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  Yeah. That's.
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  That introduction was truly a howl.
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  Oh, boy. Yeah, he does that.
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  I'm sorry I barking up the wrong tree. So
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  Izzy, welcome. Welcome to the doctor.
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  Joshua, you know, I got a chance to read some of your tweets.
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  Look at your YouTube channel.
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  You have
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  an enormous following.
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  What? It's wonderful.
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  How did that happen?
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  It's a few very it's very cliche to say this,
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  but I feel really blessed that these people who have stuck around
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  for all of these years that I've been creating content, basically, my start
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  with creating content online happened shortly after, like in the early 2000s.
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  I had finished high school. I lived in Brazil.
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  I'm Brazilian for those who don't know, and I live there.
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  I live in Canada now for the last 17, 18 years.
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  And I had finished high school
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  and I was waiting to hear back from the schools that I had applied to.
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  And in that limbo period where I finished school.
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  So I don't have a know, I don't have a daily routine anymore.
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  And I also don't know what I'm going to do with my future
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  because I haven't heard back from the schools.
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  I wanted to just do something to kill time.
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  And blogging was really coming into its own little,
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  you know, a form of media around that time, especially in Brazil,
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  like the people that I follow, the sense of humor, the things that I
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  that interested me, like these people are coming were coming into the scene.
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  The scene was really being born around that time.
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  And I've always liked writing.
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  I've always been pretty creative when I was a kid.
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  I like to journal and things like that, write stories.
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  So I thought, hey, this is a way to do that on the computer for an audience.
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  So yeah, let's do that.
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  And then it started with just a little,
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  you know, in the kind of things that people joke
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  when you're first starting to create content, just experimenting
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  with your sense of humor and things like that.
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  And it started getting picked up by, you know, this other blogger
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  who would recommend me and this other blogger.
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  And then before you know it, I had a pretty decent audience
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  and then in the mid to thousands, like around 27, 28,
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  I started
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  experimenting with vlogging, like basically what I already did.
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  But now in the video format and that exploded.
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  That became my main source of income for the last few years.
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  And yeah, so that's, that's, that's how I that's, that's why
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  I don't know who I am because I just like to share the things that I liked,
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  you know, video games, pop culture, sci fi, that kind of stuff.
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  Right. And then, yeah.
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  That's incredible.
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  Isn't it wonderful how these small changes, this is one
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  of the things that the IAM is all about small changes can have big effects.
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  I mean you start off doing this thing, you're passionate about it
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  and the next thing you know, other people share your passion.
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  How cool is that?
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  And especially because the things that I like that's, that's the,
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  the thing that blows me away even though I've had a long career,
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  you know, ten plus years doing what I do professionally every time I stop
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  to think that the things that draw people to me today
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  are the things that I didn't like
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  talking about in school because I'd be branded a nerd or a geek.
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  A weird kid, like all he wants to talk about is like his Gameboy and video games.
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  Like, that kid is weird.
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  I learned that
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  there's only one guy in school that I could talk to about those things.
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  And with everybody else, I had to be more quote unquote, normal.
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  And now that that I that side of my identity
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  that I hid for so many years is why I became known online.
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  And that always even like, again, ten years after the fact,
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  it's still I still love the irony in that.
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  It is wonderful and how I mean, I'm really so curious.
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  I hope you don't mind if I ask first, but at all, how how
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  how do you afford to do this so you have sponsors to pay you?
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  What's the show on this?
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  At first when I started creating content, I was just fresh out of high school,
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  so I didn't really have a job I live with my parents, though,
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  and since migrating to Canada, I worked a bunch of different jobs
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  while I was doing this in the back burner as a hobby
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  until it became profitable right so I've worked in fast food.
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  I've worked like washing dishes,
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  shoveling snow, those types of things while I was creating content.
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  And just like at night on my computer writing jokes and things like that,
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  eventually once you get that critical mass that sponsors and brands start noticing
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  where you are and they start hitting you up for like, hey, you know,
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  in my case, I talk a lot about technology, so I get hit up by companies.
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  Like, I'm not sure if I can say the brands that you're like.
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  Oh. Samsung, Facebook, Microsoft, these kinds of companies
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  like Warner Brothers when they were out
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  and like they have some movies that are coming out
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  that they think would resonate with my audience.
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  They reach out and then we work a deal and I create sponsored content for them.
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  And that became my main sort of my main source of income
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  for the last few years, started all, is this a little hobby?
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  But yeah, that's, that's what happened.
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  It's so terrific.
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  I mean, I mean, medical school was my hobby,
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  but it certainly hasn't given me the exposure that that you have.
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  There is something absolutely wonderful about that.
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  I was looking at some of the YouTube and I mean, there are hundreds
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  of thousands of people who are watching this and that.
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  That got me wondering,
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  you know, because my
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  my kids at the beginning of the pandemic,
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  they got into video
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  game and animal crossing animal.
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  Oh, yeah. That was a big one during the pandemic.
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  That was a big one.
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  It was Tiger King and Animal Cross.
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  And those are the two things that are keep people going.
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  Right.
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  And it was really fascinating because my daughter,
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  one of my daughters was in New York.
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  My other kid wound up in Los Angeles and another one in Nashville,
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  another one in Massachusetts.
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  And they were still able to stay connected
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  with Animal Crossing.
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  So I'm just wondering,
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  what have you noticed with the pandemic and video gaming?
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  Is is there an explosion of other people
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  more likely to want to do it?
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  Is there any connection?
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  Absolutely. I find absolutely.
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  Video games have been for a very long time, a great form of escapism
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  for people who just for lack of other alternatives.
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  And right now, we all lack alternatives, right?
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  So it brought a lot of people into playing video games.
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  And some of the habits that people had playing video games changed
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  because of the pandemic. Right.
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  In my case, one of the the consoles that I play more often
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  and some of my fan base, that's also what they love, the Nintendo switch, which is
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  a hybrid
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  system that you can play on your TV at home.
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  But the main draw of the system is the fact that you can untether
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  it from its dock and you can carry it with you
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  if you're going away on your commute or if you're traveling
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  now obviously this is a big feature of the system.
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  In fact, it's very name Nintendo Switch is to evoke the idea
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  that you're switching from the TV to a portable handheld console.
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  Now, people are not going out as much as they were.
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  And a lot of people who are interested in switch because of this portability aspect
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  now that's not so relevant for them and people who already had
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  a switch, as is my case, I'm not really going out so much.
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  So I play it mostly as a docked TV console,
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  which was not the reason I bought it for originally
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  so I think it brought a lot of people to this as people, especially people
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  who aren't into video games.
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  Maybe they exhausted their other alternatives
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  for, for, for hobbies at home. Right.
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  I can only watch so many Netflix shows until you're just you've had enough.
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  And I've noticed in my circle people who are not into gaming
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  or we're kind of like closeted gamers and now they've they've graduated
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  to that being a bigger part of their identity
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  because that's feeling that gap that they're outside social life
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  where that was before they're now they're gaming.
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  It's amazing
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  how things been up there in Canada through this pandemic.
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  And that is great as I would hope the vaccine rollout.
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  Canada, as I understand, doesn't have
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  vaccine production infrastructure in place.
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  Canada is the second largest country in the world.
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  By landmass, there's only about, what, 40 million people here.
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  So there's more people
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  in the state of California than there are Canadians, understandably.
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  Apparently, they lack the infrastructure to produce vaccines.
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  We've been dependent on vaccines coming from abroad, as I understand.
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  So it's been a little slower.
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  Like there's I have friends in Brazil who have been fully vaccinated
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  where myself, I don't have a I don't have a
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  I got an email saying that I'm eligible now, but I have to look into it.
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  It's not it hasn't been as immediate as I would have hoped.
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  And you bring in Brazil.
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  So let's a can of worms let's shift
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  over across the spine actually don't even have to go across the sea.
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  Just down the landmass.
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  Yeah. What is going on there?
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  I was reading an article today from BBC
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  that it's rough down there.
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  What's happening.
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  Dr. Shearer?
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  Let me tell you, I am Brazilian born and raised.
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  I speak Portuguese fluently.
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  I read the news every day
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  and it's hard for me to make sense of what's going on down there.
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  As I'm sure most of you guys know, the current president
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  is a bit of a denialist, which is putting it mildly.
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  I think from the very beginning of the pandemic, he downplayed it.
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  He talked about it's just a little cold. He
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  made fun of people who wear masks
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  incentive, hated large gatherings,
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  in fact, right outside of his official presidential residence.
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  Right.
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  So through the very beginning, like from the very beginning,
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  this this administration didn't take the threat seriously.
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  And I'm sure as Americans, that doesn't sound super weird to you.
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  It's just that our guy is still,
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  you know, putting us through the through the ringer with this whole thing.
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  He said some things.
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  And here's the thing right
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  Boston, that is history.
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  Basically, he was a the equivalent to a congressman
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  and he was well known for two things.
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  He was not very well liked by his peers because he was very,
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  very rude, to put it mildly.
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  Right. The guy doesn't have a filter.
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  He'll curse, you know, openly like
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  he talks in a way that you wouldn't expect a politician to talk like.
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  However, that window has shifted because of the years that he's been in power.
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  Right.
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  So he was well known for being disliked by his peers
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  and in Congress and by the fact that he just spoke openly
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  and it wasn't always something that really should be spoken.
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  Let's put it this way.
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  So, you know, for for reasons that I'm sure historians
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  will be debating for years to come, he really resonated with that.
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  You know, not unlike what happened with Trump.
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  Like he's not called the Trump of the tropics for no reason.
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  There's a lot of parallels, though.
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  Trump came from he was truly an outsider, right?
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  Like know, in the private sector, he wasn't a politician that became
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  a politician like in his first go, you know, most the highest
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  office of the land.
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  Bolsonaro.
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  On the other hand, though, they share a lot of similarities.
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  He was a career politician for a long time, though.
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  He tried to sell himself as an outsider.
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  But that was more to due to the fact that he was disliked by Congress,
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  not because he was really an outsider.
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  He's been a politician his whole life almost.
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  But yeah, it's. It's hard to.
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  Sorry. Go ahead.
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  Is it true that he campaigned on the platform of I will kill 30,000 people?
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  Not quite I can give you some context on that.
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  And I you know, before we get into this, I am a of an outspoken boss, not a critic.
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  So you're not going to hear my many any praises of him for me.
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  But basically to explain that quote in the nineties he was doing a local
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  TV interview and again he was known for just saying outrageous things.
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  And as you might you may not know this, but Brazil between 64
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  and 84 was a military dictatorship and he was an open supporter
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  of military dictatorship and which is it shocks a lot of people because there were
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  a lot of political killings and people had to go into exile.
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  We didn't have freedom of the press.
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  It was dark.
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  Those 20 years that preceded my birth.
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  I was born in the year that it was over 84.
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  In 85, we became a democracy again.
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  People when
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  they hear a congressman saying that, no, that was a good time, you know, like
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  they're they're understandably curious and some furious.
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  So he was, he was doing an interview, a TV interview
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  and a host asks paraphrasing here, but he has something about like.
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  But you said that they should have killed
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  people like more people and the dictatorship because
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  there's some discrepancy in the numbers like how many people were actually killed
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  during those years, which always happens in these situations,
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  especially when you didn't have freedom of the press but we all agree
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  that if one person was killed during that period
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  because of political reasons, that was one too many. Right.
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  So the host is asking like how like how do you see that?
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  Like they didn't kill enough people
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  and he says, like with an angry look on his face, like he means business.
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  He's like, you know me, I think that I'm killing him.
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  If if it was me, 30,000 would have died.
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  So to say that he campaigned on that would be stretching the truth a little bit.
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  But he absolutely said that he celebrates
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  the the Brazilian dictatorship, the military dictatorship
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  and he openly said many times that he thinks that not enough people died
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  during that period.
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  So, yeah, it's some people say in fact, as we crossed the 300,000 deaths
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  in Brazil from COVID,
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  some people said, hey, you know, remember back in the nineties
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  he was saying that he wanted to kill 30,000.
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  You went tenfold on his goal, it seems.
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  So, you know.
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  So do you
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  do you think part of it is him kind of getting off on it.
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  The way he talks?
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  It might like some people who listen to you say this might think you're
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  being too harsh on the guy.
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  But consider this recently he did he does like Facebook live streams.
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  It's like his little State of the Union type of address situation.
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  Right. 70 Thursday I think it is.
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  He does like Facebook live streams and it's the way he talks to people.
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  And one of the things is one of his the things that
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  made him attractive to like the common man is the fact that he just like goes
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  on Facebook on Livestream and talks to people about the things that he wants
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  to talk to people about. Right.
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  So people some people his his supporters see that as like he's one of us.
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  He's like a simple guy.
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  He's anyway so in one of his livestreams, right.
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  He holds up a printed like sheet of paper.
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  It was like a meme
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  that in his like, you know, his Twitter, the history, the crowd was circulating.
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  Right.
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  And he's also very popular among WhatsApp users, which is like an AM,
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  like an instant messaging service that's not very popular in North America,
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  but it's like massive in emerging markets, like, you know, like a
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  Southeast Asia in Latin America.
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  Anyway, so this mean was circulating on his WhatsApp circles and he sold it up.
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  And then the first it's like two images, right?
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  So the top it says Bolsonaro claims with no evidence
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  that if we we enact lockdowns, people might commit suicide over it.
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  Right. Which is something he did.
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  He was against the lockdown
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  because he said again, without anything to back that up,
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  that people are going to kill themselves in droves if we enact a lockdown.
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  So no lockdown.
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  We have to leave it all open. Right. COVID be damned.
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  Immediately underneath that image,
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  it was international news about researchers
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  noticing a spike in suicides since the beginning of the pandemic.
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  So there's no connection with the lockdown policy and the suicides,
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  but the picture has him, like, smiling.
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  And then the caption says, Bolsonaro was right yet again.
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  So he's holding this piece of paper, which again is saying that there's
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  been a spike in suicides from young people since the beginning of the pandemic.
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  And he's holding to the camera and smiling and,
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  you know,
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  he's he's he's happy that he was proven right,
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  even though he really wasn't, because the original news,
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  you know, he was talking about like locking it down like shutting down
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  economy is going to kill. People are going to kill themselves.
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  And that's not what the story was about.
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  It's just that
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  it created a lot of psychological problems or exacerbating preexisting
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  psychological problems.
• 20:00
  That led people to kill themselves
• 20:01
  and to have a president holding up a piece of paper that says people
• 20:05
  are killing themselves and he's smiling about it.
• 20:08
  I wouldn't blame anybody who thought, like Thomas suggested
• 20:11
  that he's getting off on it, especially considering his previous
• 20:14
  the previous things he said about, you know, I would have killed 30,000 people.
• 20:18
  It's outrageous.
• 20:22
  I'm I'm curious
• 20:27
  do your parents are your parents still around?
• 20:30
  They are both of them, yes.
• 20:32
  Thank God. Because they lived through it.
• 20:34
  What have they ever spoken to you about their experience?
• 20:38
  It's funny you should ask that because people around
• 20:41
  like my parents have never really said anything about the period right.
• 20:46
  In my family, they're you know, they come from like the
• 20:49
  what you'd call the projects, right?
• 20:51
  They're very humble people, hardworking.
• 20:52
  There weren't really especially back then, they weren't really connected to
• 20:57
  what was going on in society and politics because again, back
• 21:00
  then, no freedom of the press, not a lot of people were paying attention.
• 21:03
  So my the idea that I have about my parents
• 21:06
  specifically is they were pretty alienated from what was going on.
• 21:09
  I, in fact, asked my grandfather, who was still around, what he knew about
• 21:14
  what was the big events in his lifetime.
• 21:16
  Right.
• 21:17
  And he was telling me
• 21:18
  that he heard something about the war because he heard on the radio,
• 21:21
  but it was in Europe, so they didn't care about it.
• 21:22
  And he's talking about World War Two. That's how disconnected.
• 21:25
  They didn't know who fought it.
• 21:26
  They didn't know what it was about.
• 21:27
  It just there was some big war in Europe.
• 21:29
  And as I was sitting with folks type of thing, like I heard about it.
• 21:32
  So the impression I have from my parents specifically is that they just didn't know
• 21:36
  that much about what was going on.
• 21:39
  And I came to the game because a lot of people did. Yes.
• 21:43
  Wow. I I'm
• 21:47
  truly stunned by that because, you know, here in the States
• 21:51
  where I used to be, freedom of the press, I think maybe there still is
• 21:55
  sorry about that by editorial comment. But
• 22:00
  but at least there's some knowledge and awareness.
• 22:04
  What's going on? I mean, that
• 22:07
  that plays right into a dictatorship, doesn't it?
• 22:10
  Oh, absolutely.
• 22:11
  100% in fact, the people who speak positively about the dictatorship,
• 22:15
  you can see them parroting the propaganda that they were fed like 100%.
• 22:19
  Like they bought it entirely with no question.
• 22:22
  Right.
• 22:23
  So one thing that you hear a lot about, it's like a jargon from people who
• 22:27
  the apologists, the dictatorship apologists,
• 22:29
  they say things like, oh, you know,
• 22:31
  the only people get in trouble with the secret police were the troublemakers.
• 22:35
  But by troublemakers they mean university students who happen to be associated
• 22:40
  with the socialist movements or democratic leaning movements.
• 22:44
  They were branded insiders.
• 22:47
  They the word that they used back then was subversives.
• 22:51
  So if you're a brand, a subversive, there's there's
• 22:53
  this air of like McCarthyism.
• 22:54
  It was like being called the Communists
• 22:56
  in the McCarthy age, but maybe you're just, again, a
• 23:01
  political science
• 23:02
  major who has some leftist leanings,
• 23:06
  and that's enough to brand you an enemy of the state.
• 23:09
  And back then between 6484, that's all it took for you to disappear.
• 23:13
  And to this day,
• 23:14
  there's a lot of families that still don't know
• 23:16
  what happened to their their
• 23:18
  their children because they were taken in the middle of the night.
• 23:20
  They're taken from the school. Right.
• 23:21
  But then like
• 23:22
  I've heard from relatives of mine, thankfully not my, my father and mother,
• 23:25
  because I'd be pretty embarrassed to admit that.
• 23:27
  But I've heard from other relatives.
• 23:29
  Now, the only people get in trouble back then were the troublemakers, you know, the
• 23:31
  these troublemakers.
• 23:33
  And it seems like they don't really they they they bought the lie
• 23:38
  that if you were like if you were if you had left leaning
• 23:43
  let's say if you're a left leaning person, right.
• 23:45
  If you're involved with some kind of like,
• 23:47
  you know, student movement or anything like that, you're a terrorist.
• 23:51
  You're out robbing banks to fund the revolution.
• 23:54
  And also they say, like, we had to we had to take power.
• 23:57
  Even the ones who say, you know, the military dictatorship
• 23:59
  was maybe overkill,
• 24:01
  but we had to do that because the communists were ready to take over.
• 24:04
  And if we hadn't done it, they would have done it.
• 24:07
  But really, there were no big communists threaten the way they think was viable.
• 24:11
  Like we're the fifth largest country in the world.
• 24:13
  I don't think a handful of students
• 24:17
  who read Karl Marx will be able to take over the whole country.
• 24:21
  Like, that's not it doesn't seem viable to me
• 24:23
  and to most historians will seriously look into the matter.
• 24:26
  It seems like it's just propaganda.
• 24:28
  The government would occasionally arrest some guy who like had these plans
• 24:32
  to like rob banks or indeed did, because that did happen.
• 24:35
  These student groups, they did.
• 24:36
  Some of them were more militarizing.
• 24:38
  They had weapons.
• 24:39
  There was the kidnaping of a U.S.
• 24:42
  ambassador, I think in the seventies
• 24:43
  or something like a concert or something like that. I forget exactly.
• 24:46
  But it was it was some some representative of the United States government that
• 24:49
  was kidnaped back then.
• 24:51
  So some
• 24:51
  violence did occur, but it was like it was small pockets.
• 24:55
  It was very isolated to justify an entire one years
• 24:58
  of military rule of no freedom of the press, of no elections,
• 25:01
  because some students had these like lofty dreams of of armed revolution.
• 25:07
  Seems to me like it's more propaganda
• 25:08
  than an actual communist threat that was about to take over.
• 25:12
  That's me.
• 25:13
  That's maybe that's me editorializing. Dr. Joe.
• 25:15
  Sounds like a bunch of cultural Marxism to me.
• 25:18
  Yeah.
• 25:21
  Well what happened in 1984.
• 25:24
  In 1984 there was a, you know, depends on who you ask.
• 25:28
  So we learned in school is that there was
• 25:31
  a growing sentiment that
• 25:35
  the things weren't working anymore.
• 25:36
  Inflation was kicking into overdrive.
• 25:38
  The military wasn't really that suited to run a country.
• 25:42
  So, you know, the people were coming into the streets
• 25:46
  to protest for free elections, a movement called Jeannette the Czar
• 25:49
  which basically turns it loose.
• 25:50
  That translates to elections now.
• 25:53
  So eventually the military was like, All right, you guys can have it.
• 25:57
  And just we did.
• 25:59
  We got democracy again. Right.
• 26:02
  But again, it depends on who you ask, right?
• 26:05
  Some people say that those armed, let's say militias, student militias
• 26:10
  that were, you know, in their small little ways trying to fight back.
• 26:13
  Eventually, the governments thought that, you know,
• 26:15
  the government thought that there was
• 26:16
  it wasn't worth the trouble to engage in with them like It varies who you ask.
• 26:20
  But my my my view is that the military just
• 26:25
  the the economy was going to explode.
• 26:28
  It was what they were doing.
• 26:29
  They were doing a lot of a lot of sleight of hand, economic sleight of hand
• 26:33
  to make it seem like there was economic boom.
• 26:35
  But they knew that the bottom line wasn't going to add up.
• 26:38
  The way they wanted.
• 26:39
  And they did just they didn't want to hold the bag, is what I think.
• 26:43
  So that's why they willingly said, you know what, it's fine.
• 26:46
  You guys can have it back.
• 26:47
  And then immediately after surprise, surprise,
• 26:50
  the highest inflation we ever had and a lot of a lot of corruption
• 26:53
  wasn't covered after that. So
• 26:56
  and and you were
• 26:58
  you were living there until you were about how old.
• 27:02
  I was 19 when I moved to to Canada in 23.
• 27:07
  So what was that
• 27:10
  change like from Brazil to Canada?
• 27:13
  It was incredible.
• 27:15
  It was in a lot of ways, like going to another another world.
• 27:19
  I was familiar with North American culture.
• 27:23
  I didn't speak very good English back then,
• 27:26
  but I could understand it almost fluently
• 27:28
  and enough to, you know, make, you know, make friends and stuff like that.
• 27:32
  But it was everything was very different from the climate to certain
• 27:36
  societal customs, right?
• 27:38
  Certain things that to me just seemed flat out rude.
• 27:41
  But it's just the way things are done here and vice versa.
• 27:44
  I'm sure that there's a lot of things, especially that
• 27:47
  we Brazilians do, that might be seen as rude to Canadians.
• 27:50
  It's just the culture shock, right?
• 27:52
  It took a while to get over that, but I started going to high school
• 27:56
  and I started making friends and, you know, dating and all these things.
• 27:59
  So little by little, the information I got from firsthand
• 28:03
  knowledge of being immersed in the culture, filled in the gaps
• 28:06
  from what I had from like watching movies and TV shows and things like that,
• 28:09
  because I had some understanding of I had some expectations,
• 28:13
  like from watching movies and pop culture that we were import from from the U.S..
• 28:17
  Right.
• 28:18
  Like all the things that you guys like, the movies that you grew up watching are
• 28:21
  in a lot of ways, are the things the same things that we grew up watching right?
• 28:24
  TV, not so much with syndication.
• 28:26
  There's a lot of things that were bigger in the states that never crossed over,
• 28:30
  but like a lot of like no sitcoms and movies, we get all of those things.
• 28:34
  So I knew a lot about what to expect, but it was still learning that language.
• 28:40
  Right? Took a lot.
• 28:41
  And certain things that you're just so used to doing that
• 28:44
  they come so naturally because they're your culture
• 28:46
  and you know, you shouldn't do those kinds of things. And
• 28:51
  you moved up for
• 28:52
  school, for college, no, no.
• 28:56
  My dad got a job here right now.
• 28:58
  My dad works in I.T.
• 28:59
  and he got a job here at the company that he used to work with.
• 29:01
  That company no longer exists, but he you know, he's a good professional.
• 29:05
  So he was able to continue his career just with a different company.
• 29:08
  And the whole family came. Right.
• 29:09
  It was because of my dad and my mom and my two siblings came
• 29:13
  my parents got divorced sometime after.
• 29:15
  And my my family half of my family relocated to the United States
• 29:19
  and I stayed behind with my dad.
• 29:22
  Yeah,
• 29:24
  and everybody this here in Calgary.
• 29:26
  And who's still in Brazil, then the.
• 29:29
  Rest of Canada.
• 29:30
  So everybody else, like grandparents, cousins, uncles like everybody else, my
• 29:34
  friends from like university.
• 29:36
  So I'm very blessed in a way because most immigrants don't
• 29:40
  have like their immediate family, all living in the city where they live.
• 29:45
  Although to me the irony is that I've kind of had enough with the Canadian life.
• 29:49
  And I'm thinking
• 29:50
  as I become financially independent because of YouTube, because of my work
• 29:54
  here on the Internet, I can actually I realize I could live anywhere I wanted.
• 29:57
  And I've had enough of the Canadian winters,
• 29:59
  especially here in Calgary, in the Rockies.
• 30:01
  It's it's especially tough.
• 30:04
  And I am I'm like starting out to map out this project of living
• 30:09
  a nomadic lifestyle.
• 30:10
  I can work if I have a laptop an Internet connection and a camera.
• 30:13
  I can make a living anywhere in the world.
• 30:15
  So why live where it's like it snows for four months out of the year? Wow.
• 30:22
  That's that's so true.
• 30:23
  And I think a lot of people may start realizing that they can be more mobile.
• 30:29
  Absolutely. Working remotely. Live.
• 30:32
  I think that's one of the one of the big not where you needed to be.
• 30:35
  Right.
• 30:36
  What was that marching let live?
• 30:38
  We've been saying this is the beginning of the pandemic.
• 30:41
  In our in our world is live where you want to be, not where you need to be.
• 30:45
  Right.
• 30:46
  Because everything can be done remotely now, right?
• 30:48
  You're not being asked to go in and march into office
• 30:52
  it's you know, especially for Izzy, though.
• 30:54
  I mean, all you have to do is set up a studio and keep moving it around.
• 30:58
  Exactly.
• 30:59
  I've been thinking about that, like for the last like three,
• 31:01
  four months when this, you know, the the seeds of this idea,
• 31:04
  like when I look around, I have a pretty decent setup.
• 31:06
  It's messy back here, but that's not what my viewers see.
• 31:09
  The camera space, that's the way they see.
• 31:11
  You're not seeing like the nice the nice part of the city.
• 31:13
  You're seeing the mess. You're seeing how the sausage gets made here.
• 31:15
  But it's like I have a lot of nice things and like the setting is square.
• 31:19
  Everything but really,
• 31:21
  it all boils down to like my computer, my phone and a camera.
• 31:24
  So if I have those, like,
• 31:25
  all of this stuff is like it's just literally set dressing
• 31:29
  like the action figures and the, you know, the fancy computer and all those things.
• 31:33
  I don't need
• 31:34
  that to create, to connect with people, to create the content that I create.
• 31:37
  Right.
• 31:37
  So I've been thinking about that.
• 31:39
  Every single day for the past few months.
• 31:42
  And where I'm sorry.
• 31:45
  Where are you looking?
• 31:46
  So I'm looking all over like Latin America, basically.
• 31:49
  Brazil, obviously, because I speak the language
• 31:51
  and I understand the culture and I have family is the obvious
• 31:54
  place to go.
• 31:55
  But because of everything that's going on politically and because of how outspoken
• 32:00
  critic of the president I am, though, that might sound outrageous.
• 32:04
  This president has already
• 32:08
  sicked the judicial arm
• 32:11
  of the government on YouTubers who speak about him.
• 32:14
  This has happened to people I know personally.
• 32:17
  So it's like when I when I decide to go down there,
• 32:20
  it's going to be one of those things where I'm
• 32:21
  not going to be so open about where I am exactly kind of thing because, you know,
• 32:27
  we can never be too careful, especially when there's precedent,
• 32:29
  when the when somebody has made a YouTube video, a guy I know personally
• 32:33
  and the president said, yeah, let's try to see what this guy's about.
• 32:36
  Let's see if we can see something
• 32:38
  sticks, throw something at him and see if it sticks.
• 32:40
  Thankfully, that wasn't the case.
• 32:41
  But the fact that the president is motivated enough to persecute bloggers
• 32:45
  is something that I have to keep in mind.
• 32:47
  If I'm thinking of relocating Central America is
• 32:50
  I've visited there before and obviously as a tourist.
• 32:53
  Right.
• 32:53
  But the current exchange is in my favor obviously.
• 32:57
  And I love the weather.
• 32:59
  As a Canadian citizen, I can stay pretty much wherever I want for
• 33:02
  you know, I think it's six months at a time, depending on the country.
• 33:04
  And then, you know, in the summer, I can come back here
• 33:07
  stay with my family and then keep traveling.
• 33:09
  Just I've had enough of being under snow is the point, really.
• 33:12
  I love it. I love it.
• 33:15
  Yeah.
• 33:15
  There's there's so much going on in Brazil right now that we here
• 33:19
  I mean, in the news, you know, there's there's COVID.
• 33:23
  There's, you know, a lot of cocaine and other drug trafficking.
• 33:29
  And I mean,
• 33:32
  you have an amazing platform ESI.
• 33:35
  How how do you want to use this platform?
• 33:40
  I've gotten way more political recently
• 33:44
  in these these last few because like I said, my content
• 33:46
  started with videogames, nerd stuff, comic books, sci fi, right.
• 33:49
  Like this movie that I watch. You guys should watch it.
• 33:51
  It's great or it's crap.
• 33:52
  And then over time, it slowly got more political.
• 33:55
  As I started to notice, as Dr.
• 33:57
  Joe Paterno and I have an audience, have a platform and as a comic book
• 34:00
  reader, the phrase with great power comes great responsibility.
• 34:04
  It's something that I have to keep in mind.
• 34:06
  So I started talking about certain issues that that interest me,
• 34:08
  that I find important,
• 34:09
  especially with the radicalization that we're seeing growing on the Internet.
• 34:13
  Like I saw what happened in the United States in the Trump era,
• 34:17
  and I'm seeing this now in real time happening in with Bolsonaro.
• 34:21
  And because I reach a lot of people,
• 34:23
  there's a lot of things
• 34:24
  that though I always thought, like, I'm not really qualified to talk about this,
• 34:27
  but I know enough and I fall in love about the news
• 34:30
  and about this subject matter that I can reach out to.
• 34:33
  Some people say, hey, you know, pay attention to this.
• 34:35
  This is what this means.
• 34:36
  This is what this could mean in the future.
• 34:38
  We got to keep an eye out on this. And so, yeah, I,
• 34:42
  I became
• 34:42
  a unwitting kind of like an older brother.
• 34:45
  I feel like to a lot of my audience, like people who are younger
• 34:48
  clearly younger than me.
• 34:49
  I'm 36 and a lot of my audience isn't like in the 20 to 30 age.
• 34:53
  And obviously I understand a little more about like economics
• 34:56
  and politics and the world than your average ten year old.
• 35:00
  Right?
• 35:00
  Obviously there's some brilliant people out there,
• 35:02
  but the guy who's just like, you know, fresh out of high school
• 35:05
  and never worked in his life and he lives at home,
• 35:08
  his world is perhaps really small and he he hasn't paid attention to a lot of
• 35:11
  what's going on around him. Right.
• 35:13
  So I see myself as like, hey, you know,
• 35:15
  I can talk about the video games in the movies and all these things,
• 35:18
  but when these things happen, like these big things happen,
• 35:21
  I feel like I need to say something about this
• 35:24
  because the other people, the people are trying to radicalize them to their side.
• 35:28
  They're going to pick up my slack for sure.
• 35:30
  Right?
• 35:30
  So when I see things like, for instance,
• 35:33
  when the George Floyd thing was a big turning point in my chain,
• 35:37
  I think because it was very North American,
• 35:40
  but it was being watched over by the entire world and people in Brazil,
• 35:44
  they couldn't really fully understand what was going on
• 35:46
  because, you know, they don't speak English.
• 35:48
  They don't understand the culture, though.
• 35:50
  We have our own problem with people of color and suffering
• 35:54
  oppression by the police. Right.
• 35:56
  It's not like there's a lot that's a little different.
• 35:58
  They don't fully understand it.
• 36:00
  They try to apply what they know about Brazilian culture to that scene.
• 36:03
  And I have to explain, though, you know, they were serious.
• 36:05
  It was a big problem because of this, this and this.
• 36:08
  And the worst part to me was realizing that some of the white supremacist talking
• 36:13
  points that are common on the North American side of the Internet weren't
• 36:17
  were trickling down to the Brazilian side of the Internet.
• 36:19
  Right.
• 36:19
  Like things like one thing that I always heard people saying, these these places
• 36:23
  like the 1350 statistic that I think you might be familiar. Yes.
• 36:27
  Right. Yeah.
• 36:29
  So it's so ridiculous.
• 36:32
  It's astounding that every other state is irrelevant and it's fake.
• 36:36
  And it's a hoax.
• 36:36
  But did you know that 13% of the population.
• 36:40
  Yeah.
• 36:41
  So it's something for those who may not know, right?
• 36:43
  Like this refers to us that this is by the FBI that
• 36:47
  the African-American community,
• 36:49
  though a minority population commits a good chunk of the crimes
• 36:52
  and people don't want to understand why that's happening.
• 36:54
  They just say they just jump to the conclusion immediately that that must mean
• 36:58
  that black people are genetically predisposed to committing crimes.
• 37:02
  Like no, that's not why there's a sociological explanation
• 37:05
  as to why if you enslave people for hundreds of years
• 37:08
  and then you OK, you give them freedom, but then you enact a bunch of laws
• 37:11
  that still keep them down naturally, what's going to happen years after that
• 37:15
  is that these people, this community is going to be more
• 37:20
  crime, is going to be more
• 37:21
  common, more prevalent in the community if that's what you do to them.
• 37:24
  That's why.
• 37:25
  But they are not interested in the explanation, the historical explanation.
• 37:28
  They're just interested in, hey, this statistic, quote unquote, proves
• 37:32
  that the police isn't being unnecessarily tough on them.
• 37:35
  It's just they're more they're naturally more violent for some reason.
• 37:39
  So that's necessary.
• 37:40
  When I saw Brazilians saying that, it worried me because that's something
• 37:44
  I always saw as,
• 37:46
  yeah, Americans will say that like, you know,
• 37:48
  there's some white supremacists in the states.
• 37:50
  They say stuff like that.
• 37:51
  But Brazilians don't see that stuff. Right.
• 37:53
  And when I saw them saying that, I'm like, all right, I need to jump in
• 37:57
  and try to explain before this idea this president takes hold.
• 38:02
  Right.
• 38:02
  And perhaps not coincidentally, it was Bolsonaro, this crowd
• 38:06
  that was working hard to push the narrative and that's
• 38:09
  when I realized that all I stand for is going to be against this government.
• 38:13
  So I'm going to have to say something.
• 38:15
  I can't let people watch my stuff and think I wonder
• 38:18
  if it supports this guy, you know.
• 38:21
  Now, is it did
• 38:23
  did you have a oh, shit, is
• 38:25
  this is this what it's been like with the big show community?
• 38:29
  I'm not like Dick Masterson is no dummy.
• 38:31
  But a lot of the like the fan base and the like extended universe,
• 38:37
  it feels like there was an about face.
• 38:41
  I was wondering if you're going to if you're going to bring that up.
• 38:43
  Dick Mattson is a comedian. Right.
• 38:46
  And I find him hilarious.
• 38:47
  And I've met him personally and he's a great guy.
• 38:51
  I've actually sought his advice by email, like when things happen in my life,
• 38:55
  I always looked up to him like this, like older brother that I didn't have.
• 38:58
  Because though I disagree with a lot of what he believes in,
• 39:01
  some of his advice, like, hey, you know, there's some truth to that.
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  And I like his sense of humor. Right.
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  But as you notice, there was a point when, like, Dick was,
• 39:09
  you know, supporting Trump, and we all thought it was kind of like a joke.
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  It's a bit.
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  But then he started to, like, argue more and more in favor of Trump.
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  And I'm like and notice in the community as well, I'm like, OK,
• 39:21
  I don't really like I still like is since like you, I don't watch the
• 39:24
  like I don't listen to podcast more
• 39:25
  because I just don't listen to podcasts in general these days, like my
• 39:28
  my habits have.
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  I used to listen to podcasts a bunch and I commuted
• 39:32
  and when I was traveled and stuff like that
• 39:34
  at home, it's not really like I'd prefer to listen to music anyway.
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  I noticed that like the community
• 39:40
  started shifting towards that side and that's when I kind of
• 39:44
  disengage myself from, you know, not because of his sense of humor change
• 39:47
  or anything like that.
• 39:48
  I don't think he's an asshole or anything like that,
• 39:50
  but I don't identify so much with the side of the Internet.
• 39:53
  But he seems to talk to these days let's say.
• 39:57
  Yeah, because I was
• 40:00
  like he he's a good guy
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  and people he mostly associates with are good people.
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  He'll go on like the Ralph Network with like Richard Spencer
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  and stuff, but you can't hold him accountable for that.
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  That's the kind of thing that I look at.
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  I'm like, Yeah, see, that's not something I would.
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  Have I mean, I wouldn't get so excited about like
• 40:21
  having him on.
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  But for those who don't know, Richard Spencer is a white nationalist.
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  He tries to make a difference. So it's different
• 40:29
  from a white supremacist, but it's essentially the same.
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  He throws Hitler salutes.
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  Like, that's all you need to know about the guy.
• 40:36
  Yeah.
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  That's all you need to know and. Make
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  I say let me.
• 40:42
  Sorry. Go ahead, Thomas.
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  No, but like, yeah, for the sake of being a provocateur
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  and then you can just play it off.
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  It's just a joke.
• 40:49
  Yeah.
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  You see, I've the problem with that is that white supremacists, right?
• 40:54
  Like, there is there's a concept called crypto fascism where people will joke,
• 40:58
  quote unquote, about certain ideas, outrageous ideas,
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  extremist supremacist ideas.
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  And then when called out on it, they can
• 41:05
  they have that plausible deniability of saying, no, it's all a joke, right?
• 41:08
  It's very common right now.
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  I'm sure you're familiar with the whole OK sign controversy.
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  You have doctor. You have you you know what I'm talking about.
• 41:15
  Yeah.
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  Tell us about that ahead.
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  So the OK sign, right? Like doing this right?
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  This is this existed since like the 1700s. Right.
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  And it always meant OK, everything's good.
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  Right?
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  But in around 2017 fortune the image board decided to
• 41:30
  you know to to put on this this this is a prank on the media and they said
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  OK guys we're going to all start saying that this means white.
• 41:38
  So like the sign form by my three fingers here
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  and this is a piece of power this means white power.
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  From now on we're going to say this they're going to fall for it.
• 41:45
  It's going to be hilarious.
• 41:47
  The problem is the white supremacist thought, hey, this is a good idea.
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  We can use this as a secret handshake.
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  And if anybody calls out on it, it's all a joke, you dummy.
• 41:56
  It's a fortune thing, you idiot.
• 41:58
  But coincidentally, it's all the neo Nazis
• 42:01
  that are doing this always stop because, hey, this is great.
• 42:05
  But to show an allegiance to a certain set of ideals right? So
• 42:11
  yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  So my point is like crypto fashion, like throwing up these symbols
• 42:16
  and trying to, like, play it off is no, it's all it's all a joke.
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  It's all a goof.
• 42:20
  In fact, the Bolsonaro was
• 42:23
  one of his
• 42:24
  one of the people in his cabinet was recently fired because during a Senate
• 42:28
  hearing, he's sitting behind the president of the Senate,
• 42:31
  and he threw up a, you know, a little quote unquote, OK, sign.
• 42:34
  But the problem is on his header on on Twitter
• 42:37
  the phrase don't go gentle into I'm misquoting it.
• 42:41
  It's the Dylan Thomas don't say yes
• 42:47
  that it's
• 42:48
  that sentence has been co-opted by white nationalists.
• 42:51
  And in fact, Brenton Tarand, the guy who shot up the mask in New Zealand, I think
• 42:57
  he opens his manifesto with that sentence.
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  So when it went in in court,
• 43:04
  he also flashed the, you know, the the OK slash white supremacy.
• 43:07
  So it's too many coincidence, you know, like if you're flashing
• 43:10
  the sign of the same guy who wrote manifesto and then on your head
• 43:14
  or on Twitter, the phrase you use is that same manifesto.
• 43:18
  And by the way, he once tweeted the motto of an European
• 43:24
  neo-Nazi organization, like an actual terrorist group.
• 43:27
  Right.
• 43:27
  So all of these
• 43:28
  coincidences become a little hard to take, like the plausible deniability.
• 43:33
  There's a diminishing returns on that.
• 43:35
  You know.
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  The one time.
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  No way. Just thinking that.
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  I know it's saying I'm not going to use.
• 43:42
  Yeah, that's right.
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  I didn't know. Do not go.
• 43:46
  Do not go gentle into that.
• 43:47
  Good night.
• 43:48
  Old age should burn and rave at close of day.
• 43:50
  Rage, rage, rage against the dying of the light.
• 43:54
  We must secure our future for yeah.
• 43:57
  Yeah, yeah.
• 43:58
  They have these little things, these little, like, secret handshakes
• 44:01
  really is what it is.
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  And it gives them the plausible deniability to say no.
• 44:05
  That's just a joke. You're being ridiculous.
• 44:07
  That's a fortunate thing.
• 44:08
  That's just
• 44:08
  this is a quote from a poet that's just, you know, that's just 14 words.
• 44:12
  Like, they do that, and it's not as slick
• 44:16
  as they think it is, but it works with some people.
• 44:19
  Surprising, like, you'll tell people, you explain why this is, in fact,
• 44:22
  the moment we're done here.
• 44:23
  I have to cover this story about the guy in the Cabinet,
• 44:26
  the flash, the bill signing the Senate hearing and was fired for it.
• 44:29
  And I have to explain all of these things.
• 44:31
  Like everything I just said here,
• 44:33
  I'm quoting from the script that I just wrote, right.
• 44:35
  To explain like this is why they use these tactics.
• 44:38
  Because to the untrained eye, right.
• 44:41
  The the observer who is not in the know in these things, it's
• 44:44
  just it's just a poem.
• 44:46
  It's just a sign. It's just whatever.
• 44:48
  But there is a crowd that they're signaling clearly
• 44:51
  when you see who these people interact with on social media, you when you see
• 44:54
  who responds to them, when you see the language they use,
• 44:57
  it's very clear that there's it's like a little, little corner
• 45:01
  of the Internet that that you don't really want to get mixed up with.
• 45:08
  And I think so they're
• 45:10
  going to.
• 45:11
  And the words that find their way in some more
• 45:14
  common language, I think are so I say like,
• 45:18
  I don't want to sound like I'm like speech police, but the word based,
• 45:23
  I think it's become so.
• 45:25
  I know it's coded.
• 45:26
  It's politically coded now.
• 45:28
  So Doctor Joe and Mark
• 45:31
  Bass is just like a one word reply to anything.
• 45:34
  Any time someone does something terrible or says.
• 45:37
  Something they approve of but they approve of.
• 45:40
  Yeah.
• 45:40
  And so they'll just say base like base is like ballsy
• 45:43
  or like you're standing up for yourself.
• 45:45
  And it used to it was pretty innocuous to start with.
• 45:49
  It's this is like 15 years old the term.
• 45:52
  Yeah.
• 45:53
  And now people might even say it sarcastically
• 45:57
  but then they're like, Wait, is this cool?
• 46:00
  I can't, I can't, I can't be an SJW social justice warrior and say, this is bad.
• 46:06
  Or I'll be called a cock sick.
• 46:08
  So I'm, you know, I'm a psychiatrist.
• 46:11
  So my, my anxiety just went up.
• 46:15
  Yeah.
• 46:15
  I mean, it's really interesting listening to this and wondering,
• 46:19
  wow, there's this secret language out there
• 46:22
  that people are using to communicate with each other.
• 46:27
  And if it's secret,
• 46:29
  there's secrets aren't secrets because of
• 46:32
  what we've done, secrets or secrets because we worry.
• 46:36
  How will someone judge me if they know my secret?
• 46:40
  I mean, that's that's why we keep secrets.
• 46:42
  We're worried that we will be judged it's universal.
• 46:46
  And so the fact that that we have an entire group
• 46:51
  that is secretly communicating with each other
• 46:54
  has meaning.
• 46:57
  What do you think
• 46:59
  they're afraid of?
• 47:01
  Why not just be open?
• 47:03
  You know what this is my point of view.
• 47:05
  I'm prejudice. I don't like certain things.
• 47:08
  And let's talk about it.
• 47:11
  Why can't we talk about these things?
• 47:13
  Some people do.
• 47:14
  Some people will be more blatant about this, but
• 47:18
  typically because that takes admitting that like in this case with like,
• 47:22
  you know, racial prejudice and everything, if you go from like quoting
• 47:26
  like the 1530 a 1350 statistic to fully just embracing
• 47:32
  the idea that you find yourself superior to to a black person.
• 47:36
  For instance, right now by the time you get there,
• 47:38
  you you must realize that that's socially deplorable.
• 47:43
  Like nobody's going to accept this.
• 47:44
  Nobody good.
• 47:44
  Cause the only company you'll keep if you're saying these things outright
• 47:48
  are Nazis, right?
• 47:49
  And even though you might be so close to them, you might not want to fully admit
• 47:52
  that you are one and maybe that's the disconnect,
• 47:55
  that's the cognitive dissonance that you agree with them so much.
• 47:58
  But you know, deep down that it's wrong
• 48:00
  what they're doing with the things they say.
• 48:02
  But you still agree with them,
• 48:03
  but you just don't want to be called that, right?
• 48:06
  So you get closer and closer.
• 48:08
  I'm not a racist. I'm a race realist. Yeah,
• 48:12
  I took we are
• 48:13
  I mentioned the Bell Curve last night, which is like this
• 48:17
  punk bullshit study about race
• 48:20
  and IQ that everyone was so relieved
• 48:24
  to learn about because it's like, oh, I was right all along.
• 48:28
  Right about what?
• 48:30
  Yeah, that's the Hey, this is right about what exact what do you mean?
• 48:34
  Yeah, that's true.
• 48:35
  That's exactly the reaction they have when they hear things like they it's
• 48:38
  always like they misinterpret statistics or they're not looking into
• 48:42
  the sociological reasons as to why things became the way they are.
• 48:45
  And they come to the conclusion that just like, for instance, if,
• 48:48
  if there's more crime in a black community than a white community,
• 48:51
  that means that black people are just naturally predisposed to that,
• 48:54
  which isn't the conclusion you should be drawing from this.
• 48:56
  We should be drawing from these from this.
• 48:58
  The difference is the the
• 49:00
  the difference in the outcome is that something happened
• 49:03
  a long time ago, but not really that long ago,
• 49:06
  because it wasn't that many generations ago.
• 49:08
  It wasn't it wasn't long enough to completely erase the social
• 49:12
  resource of these, you know, of slavery, of race and the Jim Crow
• 49:16
  laws or whatever, you know, all of these things, the sum of all these things.
• 49:19
  That's why these communities suffer more with lack of access to education and
• 49:23
  they don't make as much.